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Title:Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD
Notice:It's just a Box of Rain
Moderator:RDVAX::LEVY::DEBESS
Created:Thu Jan 03 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:580
Total number of notes:60238

175.0. "what you are, what you're meant to be" by OCTOBR::GRABAZS (tax me to the limit of my revenue!) Mon Jul 15 1991 14:54

Last week I asked if you thought being involved with this notesfile
changed your "deadheadness".  With a slightly different twist,
I'm wondering if you think you are different on an everyday basis 
because you are a deadhead?  (yeah, I stay up nights thinking up
these questions!)...

I feel that the qualities that drew me to the scene in the first place 
were things that I already placed a high priority on - nonviolence, love 
for the earth and her inhabitants, and yes, the rebelliousness against 
"straight" society.

I think being a Deadhead HAS had quite a big influence on how I live my life.  
The feelings of community and love that I get from attending a show are the 
things that I look for when I make personal decisions in my life - these are 
the things that are important to me.  Purely by chance I happen to live in an 
area which has a complete Waldorf system of education -from kindergarten
thru high school.  Basically it is an education that takes the whole child
into account - the body, the mind and the spirit.  Before I even had children 
I was drawn to this school because of the beauty I saw in the children's work 
and the love I saw between the children and their teachers and their parents.  
They are taught to love the earth, love eachother and to love themselves.  
The more I learned about this education, the more I knew it was what I wanted 
for my children.  It is a private school and quite costly, so much of my income
goes towards tuition.  But I felt, in deciding to send my first child there, 
that I wanted to "put my money where my mouth is" so-to-speak.  I wanted a 
spiritual (and not necessarily religious) influence on my children's daily 
lives - and I'm sure this comes from the Dead's influence on me.  I, myself, 
have made personal strides towards my own spirituality based on the Dead scene 
and the people I have met thru it.  My mind was opened to many new (to me) 
ideas that have helped my on my journey.  And the music itself at a live 
concert just seems to lift me to a point of joy rarely experienced so easily.  

I try to keep communal aspects in my life.  We don't have a bank mortgage but 
have managed to build ourselves a house by our own work and bartering jobs 
with other people.  We support a farm cooperative which is supported by a 
pledge system and in return provides organically grown food for many families 
in the area.

I guess the biggest part of my "everydayness" that is reinforced by my 
"deadheadness" is that I refuse to give up my individuality.  I am who I am 
and I try not to conform to what others think I should be.  

I imagine I would be this way whether I was a deadhead or not...but, in a
way, I feel that my lifestyle has been influenced over the years by the
Dead's lifestyle, their music and the people I have met throught their
music.

Debess
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175.1peer pressureALOSWS::GALLOGalileoMon Jul 15 1991 15:0523
Hey now Debess!

>I'm wondering if you think you are different on an everyday basis 
>because you are a deadhead?  (yeah, I stay up nights thinking up
>these questions!)...

    I think it has definitely had an effect on me for the positive.  The main
reason, I think, are the people that I have come in contact with as a result of
following the Dead.  There are almost a set of characteristics for a "model
Deadhead" - kindness, sincerity(sp?), concern for the environment, etc.  Being
exposed to so many people who think that way has rubbed off on me a bit.  
    For example, showing courtesy to others, like your fellow drivers on the
road.  Showing tolerance of other people's lifestyles.  Attempting to develop a
less agressive and more tranquil disposition.  I like to think I've developed
some of these characteristics since becomming a "Deadhead".  I might have on my
own anyway, but I think being around people like yourselves has been a good
influence on me and a sort of catalyst for change in my own life.
    Just one person's observations...

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175.3CLOSUS::BARNESMon Jul 15 1991 17:573
    can we call you Mellow Marv?
                                %^)
                                   rfb
175.4My kinda peopleDECXPS::BENJAMINMon Jul 15 1991 22:449
      Before I went to my first show, I was sorta lost in life.  I was
    doing things because they were the accepted ,"normal" things to do.
    The Deadheads helped show me that it was alright to just be yourself 
    and you don't have to conform all the time.  The "scene" helped me 
    become a much more open, laid-back, and generally more happy person
    and I believe my life is better for it.  There is no place I look
    foward to going more than a set of shows...Club Dead, the antidote
    for civilization....
                            :-)  DaveB.
175.6I'm OK, you're OKALOSWS::GALLOGalileoTue Jul 16 1991 15:3825
Dave B. writes:
>    The Deadheads helped show me that it was alright to just be yourself 
>    and you don't have to conform all the time.  The "scene" helped me 
                                    ^   ^   ^
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                                   key words...

    In general, I think Deadheads are *very* conformist, its just that their
confirmity is not mainstream.  Look at the sea of tie-dyes at a show.  Long
hair.  Drug use.  Stickers on your cars.  Not all Deadheads wear or do these 
things, but I would go out on a limb and say "most" do.  
    How about the dancers in the halls?  Do people normally dance like that or 
do they only because they see other people doing it like that?
    In fact, the fact that Deadheads see themselves as non-conformist might be
conformity in itself.  I don't necessarily see this as a problem.  We know that
children "mirror" their parents as a form of learning.  Maybe "adults" do it
to.  In which case, wear your dye, fly your freak flag, and say "groovy" a lot
- its OK!  8-)


                        Peace, love, and air conditioners, 

                                    Andy

175.7Iko Iko all dayBIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow does not have a beardTue Jul 16 1991 16:0824
	Andy raises a very good point.  There is much conformity within the
Deadhead society.  Comparing the Deadhead society to mainstream America shows
many, many differences.  Maybe someday the Deadhead society will become 
mainsteam, but, I won't hold my breath.

	One thing that draws me to the scene is the display of freedoms not
accepted by people fitting [most] of our parent's mold: drug use, scantly
dressed people, people showing love publically, etc.  I find that these
freedoms are pretty basic (some of these are found in other countries) and
have to laugh/wonder why we, as Americans, are so damn uptight and worried.

	The music is the real drive.  I love the style the Grateful Dead
use.  It fits in with the scene, IMO.  Also, I really enjoy taking part in
and watching how the music changes people's excitement level.  The Boyz will be
singing along, then Jerry will start jamming.  And jamming.  As the jam
builds, you can see, hear (especially in NY), and feel the energy.  Then,
the jam/music calms down the crowd.  This is a very intense phenomenon,
I think.  I've never experienced it with any other band....

	Sometimes I wonder how I got here.  Sometimes I wonder if I'm in
a dream, wasting my time, or doing what I like...

	JC

175.8stating the obvious I guessDEDSHO::CLARKthe Eddie Haskell decadeTue Jul 16 1991 18:315
I would call Deadheads "non-conformist" in the sense that they do not conform
to what is expected of them by American mainstream culture.  Long hair is not
popular amongst young men these days, nor is colorful clothing ....

- Dave
175.9If not for you...WLDWST::BLAKKANBSat Jul 20 1991 10:207
    Keep your head together.
    
    Understand who you are and where you are.
    
    Think Globally and act locally!!
    
    LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
175.10The Music Never Stopped!WLDWST::BLAKKANThere ain't no place I'd rather beSun Aug 18 1991 09:1033
    Yeah,  I think different things as a result of the myriad of
    experiences I've had at shows and while hanging out with people
    I never would have met otherwise.  Every day.   Obviously, its
    not something I think about in the sense of:  because I am 
    a deadhead, I will do this.   Its more like an attitude.
    
 	Some pretty, powerful images come to mind.  I like to think
    about the times I've stopped gyrating for a moment or two and
    had a look at what was going on around me.  I'm thinking about 
    what it is like to be boogiing at a show to the tune of 
    Scarlet Begonias and taking a moment to see if anyone else 
    is enjoying the show...
    
    ;^)
    
    Can you see thousands of faces, smiling faces... 
     ...apparently because the music sounds so sweet.  At times 
    like that, I think they think  (they, the people behind the
    smiling faces) -- and I suppose I think they think like this 
    because I think like this -- that we're into something good.  
    It's like winning when anyone else who cares to is winning 
    too.  I know you can win without needing someone else to lose --
    That concept can be carried into everyday life.
    
    So two things:
      
    	1.  I like the music, and I think differently 
   	    on an everyday basis, because I want to see 
            the Dead as often as I can.  
    
	2.  I No one knows what's going on, by definition.
    
     
175.11I love you more than words can tellSANFAN::SCOTT_ROMoon PuddleWed Aug 19 1992 23:5537
    I think being a Deadhead has most certainly changed me.  I have become
    much more open-minded.  I always have been, but now it's with an
    understanding.  I've learned to appreciate life for what it is.  All
    it's ups and downs.  I take the mistakes I've made and instead of
    dwelling on them, I turn them into positive things. (forthe most part) 
    My mind has opened....to new things, new way of looking at things.  I
    see the beauty if everything before I see the bad.  I feel "at home"
    with Deadheads.  I can be MYSELF, to many "straight" people, I'm
    strrrrange....in my thinking and my beliefs.  I agree with the last
    reply, it's kind of more like an attitude.  Maybe like a diffiant (sp?)
    attitude, straight people wouldn't approve, but would someone like me
    approve? Probably.
    
    For me, it's also like a religion.  In a very spiritual sense.  When I
    see a show, the energy it creates engulfs me and cleanses me.  When it
    comes time to see a show, it's usually about the time I have a major
    conflict in my life.  I go to the show without a clue as to how to
    resolve it, and I'll be darned! Sometime during one of the jams, a
    message just comes to me....I listen and so far 5 out of 5 times, it's
    been the wisest choice to have made.  My mind feels so open when
    listening to this group, and then during a show...WOW!
    
    Another way it has changed me again, is the appreciation of *MY* life. 
    I used to not care if I were dead or alive.  I used to think of the
    former often in the past when I was married and first divorcing.  Since
    then, I've really focused on the group and I now HAVE a reason to live: 
    If I die, I can't hear what the boyz have to say and play anymore. 8-\  To
    some, that's not a very good reason, but for me, when all other reasons
    (other than being a chicken) have not longer helped, this reason is
    good enough.  And it works.
    
    I don't know if any of this has made any sense, there's just sooo many
    feelings, that I'm finding it difficult to put them into words.  But oh
    well, when talking to you people, I have a feeling I don't have to
    rilly explain myself THAT much! 8-)
    
    rochelle
175.12I understand Rochelle -LJOHUB::GILMOREA Fly can't Bird but a Bird can FlyThu Aug 20 1992 12:103
    I feel the same.
    
    :-)sparky
175.13Slipping thru the morning dew, toes drench in natures juiceSANFAN::SCOTT_ROMoon PuddleThu Aug 20 1992 15:1710
    Just another random thought after I entered my note...
    
    Their music makes me feel sooooo complete and happy inside.  Whenever
    I'm feeling down, I pop in one of their tapes and before I know it, my
    spirits begin to lift.  At night when I can't sleep cuz my mind is a
    jumble, I put in a tape and the music calms me enough to be able to
    open up and write what it is that's going on inside of me...it's the
    most tranquail (sp?) feeling I've ever experienced....Thanks boyz!
    
    rochelle