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Title:Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD
Notice:It's just a Box of Rain
Moderator:RDVAX::LEVY::DEBESS
Created:Thu Jan 03 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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Number of topics:580
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23.0. "Grateful Dead Show Reviews" by BIODTL::FERGUSON (Obscured by Clouds) Thu Jan 10 1991 17:39

	This topic may be used to discuss reviews of Grateful Dead
	shows.

	Please keep digressions down to a minimal level.

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23.1DAT's the way to go!BIODTL::FERGUSONIs it just a waste of time?Thu Jan 31 1991 19:557
Re: ken's comment about JGB tapes


I'd love to get more tapes that sound like the Grate Shaft DAT tape we got
from that DAT Dude reb (?) ....

That is one f'n hot tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23.2JGB@The Warfield, 1/31/91SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Feb 01 1991 22:2715
Great show!!  Most of the songs were characterized by very sweet long jams,
especially towards the end of the sets.  I'm not sure about the "C'est La
Vie" song.  That's the chorus, but maybe not the name.  The Mission, Dear
Prudence, and Tangled in the 1st set were just IN$%##*CREDIBLE!!  Really
wild!!  Second set was just as sweet.  The Lay Down Sally and Evangeline
would've gotten a standing ovation except everybody's already standing/
dancing wildly already, so we couldn't, but the joy of the cheering after
one especially long jam just about sums it up.  I couldn't figure out what
the last song was, so you'll have to get that from someone off the net 8-}.
I may have said this before, but if Jerry plays for the Dead the way he
plays for JGB, we'd be floating in seventh heaven till kingdom come 8->!!

peace,
t!ng
23.3BOSOX::HENDERSONThe whole world needs a Dead showSat Feb 02 1991 00:5821
RE:           <<< Note 23.2 by SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!" >>>


>especially towards the end of the sets.  I'm not sure about the "C'est La
>Vie" song.  That's the chorus, but maybe not the name.  The Mission, Dear


Never can Tell?  Old Chuck Berry tune, which Emmy Lou Harris also did I
believe...Love the Piano in Chuck Berry's version





Jim sitting in his office noting cuz he got called into work because of
a real hot customer situation in California but by the time he got into
his office the problem was fixed :^/




23.4Jerry and Grisman at the Warfield - Feb. 2SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Feb 04 1991 15:4419
I had the pleasure of catching the Jerry and David Grisman acoustic show on
Saturday, and I'll just have to say it was THE BEST ACOUSTIC SHOW I've EVER
seen!!  8-)  As I'm not quite caught up with the Bluegrass scene, I can't
tell ya all the songs that were played.  It was just Jerry and David for
a few songs, and then the bass player and the drum/fiddle player from
David's band joined them.  Jerry played banjo for two of the songs.  David
played the mandolin most of the time and switched to guitar and banjo for
a couple of tunes.  Obviously Jerry wasn't very familiar with the tunes
either since he was using sheet music.  At one point, he stopped in the
middle of a tune to flip the sheets and David said "We're really prepared
for this" 8-).  I guess it kind of brings Jerry down from diety-status ;-).
They opened the second set with a bluegrass rendition of "The Thrill is
Gone" - AMAZING!!  8-)  There were some Miles tunes thrown in, a kind of
bluegrassy-ish jazz.  The highlight was the encore - RIPPLE!!  David's
mandolin fits into the tune like a charm!!  It was just incredilbly special!!

peace,
t!ng
23.5XANADU::GRABAZSain't no time to hateMon Feb 04 1991 16:265
>The highlight was the encore - RIPPLE!!  David's
>mandolin fits into the tune like a charm!!  It was just incredilbly special!!

makes sense t!ng - grisman played mandolin on Ripple on American Beauty...
Debess
23.6Better than candy.BIODTL::FERGUSONIs it just a waste of time?Mon Feb 04 1991 16:596
WOW Ting!!!  What a treat you got!!!  I'd love to see Jerry play acoustic.
What it in a small place ?

What a treat.

JC
23.7SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Feb 04 1991 17:5316
re:  <<< Note 23.6 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "Is it just a waste of time?" >>>

>WOW Ting!!!  What a treat you got!!!  I'd love to see Jerry play acoustic.
>What it in a small place ?

It what pretty small ;-).  I think the Warfield maybe holds 8000??  (dont'
quote me on that).

re:  Debess

Hey, I didn't know that.  No wonder David fits so well into it!!  It was
quite a treat!!  I love David Grisman!!  (maybe Jerry will come out and
play with Grisman at the Paul Masson Winery this summer 8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.8BUFFALOJUPITR::BARROWSFri Feb 08 1991 08:218
         Has anyone been to Buffalo '90?
    
       Outstanding performance by Crosby,Stills,and Nash! I must say
    I'd rather travel 12 hrs. of driving time to see an opener like
    C,S,&N insted of Los Lobos (summer '89)! Of course I would travel
    anywhere to see the Dead!
    
                                  Scot
23.9my Buffalo '90 experienceALOSWS::GALLOFri Feb 08 1991 13:5224
                      <<< Note 23.8 by JUPITR::BARROWS >>>
                                  -< BUFFALO >-

>         Has anyone been to Buffalo '90?
>       Outstanding performance by Crosby,Stills,and Nash! I must say
>    I'd rather travel 12 hrs. of driving time to see an opener like
>    C,S,&N insted of Los Lobos (summer '89)! Of course I would travel
>    anywhere to see the Dead!

    I was at Buffalo '90, in fact it was my first show.  From that you can 
probably gander a wild guess as to how old I am... 8-)
    CSN was pretty good as an opener, but I must say that they were NOTHING
like they were when I saw them in '89 all acoustic at the small Palace Theatre
in Albany, NY.  What a killer show that was.  After seeing that, the Buffalo
set was rather limp, although Stills on the "flying V" was a sight to see!
    The Dead sets were OK, but not superlative.  At the time I was completely
blown away (given that is was my first show and all), but now that I have the 
tapes, and can compare them to the other 70+ tapes in my collection, that show
was rather weak.  We did get a nice Loose Lucy and Mama Tried in set I,
Truckin' (up to Buffalo) in set II, and a nice Brokedown encore, but in general
I thought the energy level was a bit low.  Compare it to Foxboro from 2 days
earlier to see what I mean...
    Just my $0.02...

23.10TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Feb 08 1991 13:594
    
    I saw my first Jerry band show at the Palace Theater.. grate place!
    
    
23.11That place is great!BEING::MIRABITOIt's so easy to slipFri Feb 08 1991 17:275
    I didn't think the Palace was still open.  The first show I ever saw
    there was . . . Triumph.
    
    --Cathleen_a_native_New_Yorker_who_has_been_living_in_New_England
               _for_over_several_years_now.
23.12A job I wouldn't wantSHKDWN::TAYLORNothing shakin'Mon Feb 11 1991 14:057
I'm pretty sure the Palace was where the Dead scheduled their first Albany 
show.  This was back in approximately '68-'69.  After a bomb scare forced 
evacuation of the theater before the show started, the Dead split with the 
kitty.  Capitol district heads were bullsh!t!!  Can you imagine being the 
guy who had to go on stage and tell everyone that the Dead had split?

Bill
23.13Oakland 2/19/91SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed Feb 20 1991 15:0828
What a show!!  Bruce did not play with them, which was just as well, since
I had really wanted to hear Vince better.  It got off to a slow start, but
boy, did it get up to speed!!  Excellent Althea!!  The crowd went into a 
"We Want Phil" chant right before Picasso Moon, and Mickey made gestures
like he's saying "You want him??"  8-)  I thought it really started picking
up with Peggy-o -> Jerry seemed very soulful.  The Cassidy was great (one
of my favorite Bobby tunes).  The New Speedway Boogie was just incredible!!!
I don't think anyone really believed it until Jerry hit the chorus (we hate
disappointing ourselves 8-).  Then a giant cheer and just sheer joy followed.
Thank you, Jerry!!!!

The second set also had a slow start.  It wasn't one of the better Riders
I've seen.  There was a bit of indecision before Truckin', but it was
rendered with spirit once they decided on it.  The Crazy Fingers was made
even better by an incredibly looong jam with Other One teases weaving in
and out.  Drums was good.  It sounded like Mickey got himself a new drum.
I couldn't really see what it was though, but it sounded great.  We were
glad to get The Wheel after expecting the Other One (predictability always
seems to taint it a bit).  The Watchtower was *very* energetic.  I guess
you can say the crowd is flying pretty high towards the end with the energy
buildup.  Jerry must've sensed it, and went into Black Peter to rope us
down 8-) (He does that quite a bit, doesn't he??).  The Black Peter was
really well-played.  The U.S. Blues was appropriate, I guess, for these
times.  No complains about this show except for the fact that the ticket
person ripped my ticket in half 8-( -> I hate it when that happens!!

peace,
t!ng
23.14CLOSUS::BARNESWed Feb 20 1991 16:463
    as alwasy T!ng, I look forward to your Calif. reviews
                            THANKS!
                                   rfb
23.15SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed Feb 20 1991 17:485
Thanks, Randy!!  I always wonder if anyone reads them, but I like
sharing my experience 8-).

peace,
t!ng
23.16OCTOBR::GRABAZSain't no time to hateWed Feb 20 1991 17:578
>I always wonder if anyone reads them...

	are you kidding!  t!ng, that's the closest I'm going to
	get to a Dead show for a LOOONNNGG time...thanks for
	sharing!

	Debess

23.17DECXPS::BRIDGESlight up or leave me alone.Wed Feb 20 1991 17:5916
re:           <<< Note 23.15 by SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!" >>>

>Thanks, Randy!!  I always wonder if anyone reads them, 

 Yea, I always NEXT UNSEEN over that boring drivel, who needs it. 

;-)

Just kidding

>but I like sharing my experience 8-).

and I rilly like reading them 8-) another Grate review t!ng.

Shawn

23.18LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsWed Feb 20 1991 18:025
Well, here is another one who reads them ... heh heh, if I hadn't I
may have thought parts of NYE were just a dream.  :-)  Keep 'em coming!!!


23.19SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed Feb 20 1991 18:224
I feel accomplished as a reviewer already!!  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.20me tooOURGNG::RYANbut Momma. that's where the fun is ...Wed Feb 20 1991 18:515
  i always look forward to your reviews, some of the best stuff in GRATEFUL.

  thanks,

  john
23.21still don't think he is a permanent member..WFOV11::BUTZEDo the trouser press babyThu Feb 21 1991 13:044
    Any words around why no Hornsby?  (although I think its good that
    Vince got a chance).
    
    rich
23.22KOBAL::MROGERSSomeday everything's gonna be different...Thu Feb 21 1991 13:1213
    <<< Note 23.21 by WFOV11::BUTZE "Do the trouser press baby" >>>
          -< still don't think he is a permanent member.. >-
    
    
    >Any words around why no Hornsby?  (although I think its good that
    >Vince got a chance).
    
    Wasn't he at the Grammy Awards last night? I heard he was but I didn't
    watch them.
    
    Mike
    
    
23.23Can't wait to read the review!MR4DEC::WENTZELLHeartlessPowersTellUsWhatToThinkThu Feb 21 1991 17:1722
Wow, I like the looks of this show!!!

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Note 62.4            Grateful Dead Setlists (No Discussion)               4 of 4
SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!"                  14 lines  21-Feb-91 13:38
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Oakland Coliseum - 2/20/91
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Hell in a Bucket           Scarlet Begonias
Sugaree                    Fire on the Mountain
Walking Blues              Estimated Prophet
Friend of the Devil        He's Gone
Mexicali Blues             Drums (w/ Olatunji)
Cumberland Blues           Jam
Masterpiece                The Other One
Birdsong                   Wharf Rat
                           Around & Around

ENCORE:  The Mighty Quinn


23.24Oakland - 2/20/91SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Thu Feb 21 1991 17:4045
The show last night was good.  Hell in a Bucket was a good tune-up song
;-), paving the way for a great Sugaree, which included a long and
inspired jam with Jerry bouncing around on stage 8-).  The Walking
Blues was really good (it's one of the few Bobby tunes that I can hear
for the billionth time and still like 8-).  After FOTD, there was a
pause during which Jerry and Bobby ran around the stage conferencing
between themselves and with the drummers and Vince on what next (Phil
seemed left out of the discussion).  Anyways, they all seemed to have
come to an agreement and went right into Mexicali.  The big secret,
I guess, was Cumberland, and it was an excellent rendition!!  Bobby
started into Masterpiece, but right after the "ancient footprints"
verse, he stopped and said "Wait a minute!!" (I still couldn't figure
out why), so the rest of the band stopped too.  After a short pause,
they did the verse again and continued the song.  The Birdsong closer
was sweet, with the jamming pretty much sticking with the tune instead
of going off in all directions like they sometimes do with Birdsong.

Scarlet -> Fire was great, especially the Fire!!  That song always
leaves so much room for improvisation, and the great thing is that the
band takes advantage of it (something I wish they would do more with
The Wheel).  The Estimated was ok.  Bobby ruined it by doing a few eagle
screams.  We were talking about Bobby screams during set break, and how
we can probably digitize it and replace the bell on the computer with
a Bobby squeal (I think the idea first surface on the net a few months
ago -> something to think about anyways 8-).  The transition into He's
Gone was very smooth.  They may have been deadicating this to Jeff
Davis, one of the folks at GDTS who committed suicide last week 8-(.
It was very sad when we heard about it.  Olatunji and 2 other drummers
came out and joined Mickey and Billy for the drums segment.  The sound
was rather cacophonous.  I think it had more to do with the way Healy
was mixing it more than the actual rendition.  Olatunji's mike was
turned down, so we couldn't hear the chanting very well.  What we
did hear was synthed too much.  I guess it must be hard to get the right
mix with 5 drummers up there (it looked pretty crowded back there).  
Jerry came out before the drummers were done and there was a nice little
space/jam with everyone involved before the drummers took off.  The Other
One out of space was great.  I didn't remember Healy playing around with
Bobby's voice during the "Spanish Lady came to me and lay on me this rose"
verse, but I could've just spaced it.  Around and Around was marked by a
very nice jam toward the end.  Quinn was a highlight for an encore.  I
love that song.  Of course, the crowd just had to cheer for "everbody
wanna doze/se" part 8-).  Great ending!!

peace,
t!ng
23.25CLOSUS::BARNESThu Feb 21 1991 18:361
    Jeff Davis suicide???
23.26late but still with feelingMSHRMS::FIELDSA TIME 4 PEACE,I SWEAR ITS NOT 2LATEThu Feb 21 1991 19:1445
	I wrote this just now after listening to the tape of 18-Mar-90
    BTW I never finished my review of this show, which I figured out after
    looking for it in Grateful_old for about an hour ! I added this part to
    Julie's review so it starts where hers never ended :')

	Well that was my Daughter's review now here's mine....

Shakedown was a nice opener (I hadn't heard Shakedown for some time) and the 
crowd let the band know, thanks for the surprise guys we loved it ! Sneaking in
a few shows was such a nice treat, and it turned out to be special alright.
Rooster was fine and so was Stagger Lee but the 1st set was just about to start.
Me & My Uncle was played clean and the flow into Mexicali Blues was so natural
it all made sense ! The MIDI horn bit was great, it made my blood boil !!!!
Friend of the Devil was slow and had this punching effect on the mind ! Just
A Little Light was clean cut note for note to the studio track. Brent sang so 
soulfully you could feel his sweat trickle down your face. Masterpiece
was a Bobby norm but done with meaning as noted at the end of the piece
when they all sing. Ramble on Rose was bouncy as always a great sing-a-long.
The set ender was just a reminder of what the 2nd set would contain, Music
Never Stopped ! Such a joy for all, bouncing in your shoes clapping like a fool,
OOOOOooOO, were they ever here at all ?

	IKO IKO ! What else can ya say ! IKO IKO ! Julie's smile was ear to ear,
such a pretty sight ! Looks Like Rain was sweet and played with just the right
touch, I play this part of the tape over and over. Phil you listening ? I know 
its not the one on With out A Net but it should have been ! :') He's Gone is 
always a deep personal song no matter what or who you might be thinking about 
at the time. Truckin' into Spoonful, Whoa ! powerful is the only way to 
describe this double punch of classics ! Drums can be fun or you just aren't 
in the mood for them but this night I was just waiting for it to start 
(maybe 'cause I was sitting on the side of the stage and had the great view of 
Mickey & Billy) Billy went crazy playing the set of 5 or so Toms and Mickey
can hold everyones Heart and make them beat together as one ! He can reach into
your soul. Space into The Wheel into Watchtower was just as mind altering as it
sounds, Jerry played off into another world at times, Bobby sang Watchtower 
with grit as Jerry proceeded to tear the roof off the each powerful thrust of 
his guitar likewise Phil shook the floor with the same ripping movements.
Morning Dew was a cool rain shower we all needed, sweet but not to 
easy as it slowly burned into the bright hot sun filled world.

	US Blues ended this 1st night of unexpected joy, sending all the happy
people out into the streets for the trip home.......


		Just what I needed.......a Dead Show ! Amen !
23.27Oakland - 2/21/91SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Feb 22 1991 17:1081
The show last night for the Chinese New Year's celebration was HOT!!!  It
was without doubt the *best* of the run (even in light of New Speedway)!!
YOWZA!!  Last night reaffirmed the reason why I like the Dead so much.
If they play like that all the time, I think I'll quit my job and go on
tour!!  8-)

The show opened with the San Francisco Chinese Symphony orchestra playing
traditional Chinese music, very melodious but not quite rock-n-roll 8-).
The band came on after a long intermission and we knew we were going to
get the H->S->F from the tune-up.  And it was one of the best HELP->SLIP->
FRANK's I've seen!!  Simply incredible!!  The Slipknot! transition was
longer than any I remembered and very smooth and just seemed to roll like
a wave into a Franklin's that just swelled and enveloped the audience with
musical ecstasy!  Little Red Rooster featured Bobby on slide, as usual.
Loser was intense!!  Vince and Jerry kept trying to surpass each other
by building onto each other's notes.  Vince was very aggressive and took 
the lead in the jamming time after time.  He was very prominent in the mix
all night.  I could see why the band picked him to replace Brent.  The
guy is just incredibly talented!!  He sounds so natural to the band's
improvisational style.  Jerry just went way out for Loser!!  Memphis Blues
and Tennesee Jed were good, although not highlights, and gave us a break
from the mounting psyche that started with the H->S->F.  Promised Land
was a really good closer to an *amazing* set (I always relate to this song).

If we thought the first set was amazing, the second set just left us with
our jaws dropped!!  *All* the songs were marked with long winding jams
that led us in and out of the tune and into the next.  The Playin' was
filled with promise for the rest of the set.  The jam at the end led into
a musical argument between Bobby and Jerry, with Jerry trying to pull the
band into a Terrapin, and Bobby loudly insisting on Uncle John's.  Bobby
won 8-)!!  And how sweet it is!!  Playin'->Uncle John's is one of my
favorite segues!!  Aierto joined the drummers during Uncle John's and
flitted in and out throughout the set.  Aierto really adds well to the
drums, not quite creating a new dimension as much as enhancing what's
already created by Billy and Mickey.  The Terrapin was great!!  The
musical crescendos leading into the "Inspiration" part reached the kind
of heights the song was designed for.  Just beautiful!!! 

Then the drums!!  I love drums at Chinese New Year's more than any other
time, because Mickey brings in his special Chinese drum that booms with
power at every beat, and you just *have* to dance to it!!  The parade
came in on Jerry's side from the upper tiers towards the back of the
coliseum.  There were a couple dozen flag bearers carrying traditional
Chinese war flags and 3 giant Chinese puppets dressed in ancient costume
and each donning a long black pigtail followed by a gold-headed ram.
They danced down to the floor and surrounded the soundboard.  Then the
dragon came out on Jerry's side from the front of the coliseum in the
upper tiers.  It followed the silver ball and danced along the aisle
between the middle and upper tiers until it reached the back of the 
coliseum and started dancing onto the floor.  At that point, a reddish-
gold phoenix trailing golden tassles rose in front of the stage and flew
around over the band.  All this time, the dragon had been making its way
to the floor amid a rainbow of clouds (with people carrying "clouds" on
poles).  It danced around the flag-bearers and puppets and alongside the 
crowd and eventually exiting up to the upper tiers on Phil's side with
the puppets, flag-bearers, cloud-bearers, and the golden ram following
closely behind.  That was the best CNY's parade I've seen.  It seems
like the dragon gets longer and longer every year.  The puppets and the
phoenix really added to the festivities (usually they only have a dragon).

The space that followed wasn't much of one, but it was great!  The
drummers never left.  The Eyes followed the night's pattern of
incredibility 8-).  The energy build-up from the parade never left
the band or the audience!!  Again Vince was *very* there, right
alongside and sometimes surpassing Jerry.  Awesome!!  Even Throwing
Stones was great.  And Not Fade Away was one of the best I've seen!!
The crowd was so psyched by that time that you can almost feel the
energy zapping through the air like lightning bolts and hitting the
band square in the face.  YOWZA!!  The audience continued clapping
and stomping and singing after the song was over (as always, but with
so much energy!!).  I saw one guy up front who seemed like a first-
timer getting converted during Not Fade Away.  He had the most amazed
look on his face when the crowd was stomping to the chorus, and 
suddenly, I saw a smile light up his face, and he started singing
along with the rest of the crowd 8-).  I love it when that happens!!
And Knocking was just a beautiful closer to an unbelievable night!
At times, I really did feel I was "knocking on heaven's door" last 
night!!  8->!!

peace,
t!ng
23.28thanksOURGNG::RYANbut Momma. that's where the fun is ...Fri Feb 22 1991 17:174
ya know I _rilly_ am becoming a T!nghead.  rfb is right i love
your reviews.  I wish I went to as many shows as _you_.

 john 
23.29CLOSUS::BARNESFri Feb 22 1991 17:194
    as always T!ng....GRATE!
    
    how can I get these tapes? 
                               rfb
23.30TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Feb 22 1991 17:274
    
    Yeah.. really grate review!  How do you remember so much??  :-)
    
    
23.31HKFINN::STANLEYWhat a long strange trip it's been...Fri Feb 22 1991 17:471
     Way to go, Ting. :-)
23.32SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Feb 22 1991 18:0523
re:  <<< Note 23.28 by OURGNG::RYAN "but Momma. that's where the fun is ..." >>>

>ya know I _rilly_ am becoming a T!nghead.  rfb is right i love
>your reviews.  I wish I went to as many shows as _you_.

T!nghead??!!??  YIKES!!!!!  Thanks, John, but I think you should stick
with a Johnhead!  ;-)  8->!!


re:  <<< Note 23.30 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "Wake, now discover.." >>>

>    Yeah.. really grate review!  How do you remember so much??  :-)

I don't know, Phyllis.  I think I tend to remember the details of a 
great show a lot more vividly, because it adds to my collection of
good memories (which the Dead contributes to a lot 8-)  I treasure
good memories because they make me happy (even during rough times).

I think you folks are in for *such* a treat with the tour coming up!!
GET PSYCHED!!  8->!!

peace,
t!ng
23.33you gotta alot of nerve....BPOV04::DMITCHELLWent to see the Captain..Fri Mar 08 1991 12:5210
    
    JGB show March,1
    Note 63.9
    
    Anybody know the last time Jerry played Postitively 4th st..! It is 
    by far an all time favorite of mine....
    
    Jerrybase?
    
    Don
23.34SA1794::GLADUGQ~~~~~Fri Mar 08 1991 15:155
re:       <<< Note 23.33 by BPOV04::DMITCHELL "Went to see the Captain.." >>>
   
>   Anybody know the last time Jerry played Postitively 4th st..! 
    
    I seem to recall 1988. Maybe not, though.
23.35I was discussing in a non-discussing note :)LANDO::HAPGOODLeroy says, 'keep on rockin'Mon Mar 18 1991 14:3731
I moved this after I realized that I put this into a "NO DISCUSSION"
note....and then someone replied to it....whoooooops!

sorry bout dat!
:)

           <<< NECSC::SYS$SYSDEVICE:[NOTES$LIBRARY]GRATEFUL.NOTE;1 >>>
                 -< Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD >-
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Note 62.7            Grateful Dead Setlists (No Discussion)               7 of 8
LANDO::HAPGOOD "Leroy says, 'keep on rockin'"        19 lines  18-MAR-1991 08:41
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    <<< Note 62.6 by OCTOBR::GRABAZS "listen2 the river sing sweet songs" >>>
>                             -< Landover 3-17-91 >-
 
Set I
Hell in a bucket
Walkin' Blues
Peggy-o
Queen Jane
Rubin and Cherise
Let it grow
 
That's a sort of wierd 1st set....4 wier tunes and 2 jerry tunes....

and is the Rubin a 1st for the dead as a whole??

I'll  take mine with sauerkraut...
:)
bob

23.36MR4MI2::REHILLCall me Mystery HillSat Mar 23 1991 13:2625
    I attended the 3/21 show at Landover. The M.O. gods granted me 7th
    row Phil side seats. What was most interesting was that 3,4,5th
    row Phil side seats were full of deaf people. A person was signing
    the words to the songs, they were holding onto baloons - feeling
    the vibration.
    
    During break, two more came out from backstage, with Press badges
    on, and they joined the crowd.
    
    When the band came out Phil seemed to take a long time adjusting
    his equipment. Then during Victim, I knew why. He just blasted out
    the vibrations to that area. (I didn't mind sharing that by the
    way). During Victim, Mickey played the beam, also adding to the
    "buzz". Space was also very low frequency. I saw the band 
    looking over at the area a lot. My guess is that they were interviewed
    by the two Press Pass people, and reacted accordinginly.
    
    	Also, during Fire On The Mountain, these people were joining
    in on the "Fire" chant. They would wiggle their fingers up like flames,
    and then point their hands up - like a mountain. It was quite a
    sight to see 15-20 people doing this together. 
    
    	They were also dancing up a storm!
    
    	Mystery
23.37thanks for sharing that with us....MSHRMS::FIELDSA Time 4peace I Swear Its Not 2L8Sat Mar 23 1991 13:333
    Hey thats cool Jimbo, it must have been a sight to see :'))))))))))
    
    Chris
23.38SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Sun Mar 24 1991 19:037
re:  deaf people at Landover

Now *THAT's* really cool!!  ...to know that the Dead can be appereciated by
vibrations alone 8-).

peace,
t!ng
23.39MR4DEC::WENTZELLBuilt for comfortMon Mar 25 1991 12:2544
Looks like a hot one last night!  So much for a H>S>F or China Cat>Rider for 
tonight!  I won't hold it against them though  8^)

Outta here in 2 hours....

Scott_making_no_predictions

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        Grateful Dead without Bruce Hornsby
        Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
    
        set I
        -----
        Help On The Way->
    	Slipkot->
    	Franklin's Tower
    	Wang Dang Doodle
    	Jack A Roe
    	BIODTL
    	Brown Eyed Women
    	Desoaltion Row
    	Deal
    
    	Set II
    	------
    	Samson & Delilah
    	Chinacat Sunflower->
    	I Know You Rider
    	Looks Like Rain
    	He's Gone ->
    	Drums->
    	Space->
    	The Wheel
    	Miracle
    	Standing On The Moon
    	Good Lovin'
  	----------------
    	E: U S Blues
    
23.40OCTOBR::GRABAZSblack dirt live again!Mon Mar 25 1991 16:1415
	Mystery - that is indeed a neat experience to have been
	witness to - thanks for sharing that...

	I once went to an matinee play for children and sat in
	back of a couple of rows of deaf children.  there was a
	women crouched down in front of them, between them and
	the stage, and she signed the whole play to them.  To me,
	watching her was at least as entertaining as the performance
	on the stage.  

	I find it wonderful that the whole group in front of you signed
	along with Fire on the Mountain :-)

	Debess

23.41signing - second most used language in AmericaOURGNG::RYANSpent my life seeking all that's still unsungMon Mar 25 1991 16:259
Mystery

  I want to meet you.  I have always felt good experiences await those that
open themselves to them.  You seem to observe some touching momnets.

  Imagine, you don't have to hear to be able to feel the music.  ;-)


   john
23.42E::EVANSMon Mar 25 1991 16:319
For those into sign language, I recommend an evening with the Body Language
Dancers.  This is a jazz dance group in Boston who sign the words to the 
music as they dance.  To give you an idea imagine Ray Fosse-type dancing to
Ray Charles singing "Hit the Road, Jack".  Very entertaining whether you are
hearing impaired or not.

Jim

23.43feel your way, feel your way...CBROWN::ABURNSTAMALPAIS CHIEFSMon Mar 25 1991 16:5312
    That must've been quite a site indeed Jim :^) I can fondly remember
    at one show in Providence when the boys exploded out of a jam, along
    with hearing them explode I also felt the air like push against my
    face! It left me totally awestruck cause I felt it more than heard
    it!
    
    I also had the pleasure of watching someone signing to another at
    a Robert Hunter show.  To watch them it was rilly incredible at how
    she didn't miss a beat and you could rilly see how she went along
    with the storytellers' songs :^)
    
    peace,Andy
23.443/24 reviewSSGV02::STROBELDeadvurnugenTue Mar 26 1991 13:3638
	This is the first time I've penned a show review but I'll try to live
up to the high standards of T!ng and others.

	My first impression was," wow, they're starting early!". I thought the
start would be slowed by the awkwardness of trying to get in out of the rain
(I heard on guy say, "take a step back, take another step back.") but the boyz 
came on about 7:40. They opened pretty quickly with Jack Straw followed by a
hopping Bertha. Bobby seemed in good form and kept the pace going with a fine
rendition of Walkin Blues. An average FOTD (MHO) followed but the energy soon
climbed back with a fine Masterpiece. After Loser came what I thought was the
highlight of the first set, a smoking Cassidy. From where we were it seemed 
Vince's playing was increasing in the sound mix as the set progressed. He
really seemed comfortable and got Jerry (some grate solos throughout the night),
Bobby and Phil to push it up a few notches and this song showed it. I was 
surprised a bit when they closed with New Speedway Boogie which was very good
but which had the unenviable task of following Cassidy.
	After a 50 minute intermission, the crowd was dancing again with Aiko
as the set opener which set a feverish pace. Next was a hot St of Circumstance
with some fine jamming and especially good playing by Bobby :-). Ship of Fools
slowed the pace down. This is a favorite tune of mine so any time I catch it at
a show it's a bonus. Playin followed with a pretty quick slide into some free-
form jamming that lead to drums. Bill rilly seemed inspired and cooked through
a fine solo. Space had a wandering, kind of serene feel for me. They then 
moved onto Dylan #2, Watchtower to get everyone on their feet. a Grate %-) 
Morning Dew followed with Jerry taking off and pulling the rest with him. A
predictable Saturday Night closed the set in rocking fashion. Knocking on
Heaven's Door, #3 Dylan for those scoring at home, ended the night in a satis-
fying, mellow way. I tend to like this song more upbeat, akin the the version
JGB did at Grate Woods 2 years ago but I left more than happy.
	A couple of requisite comments on the scene. Security seemed pretty low
key, usually just trying to move people from the aisles or to tell people to 
stop smoking. Except for the Chicago stockyards look of the entrance, which got
a bit pushy due to the rain, I thought things went smoothly. Nice to see the
storefront signs welcoming us :-))))))))). Hope the actions of a few don't
close this venue for us too!!


jeff
23.45CLOSUS::BARNESTue Mar 26 1991 13:4510
    Mystery...grate note and experiance.. made me smile!%^)

                                         
    Jeff Strobel.....DEADvurnugen???????? "a Mrs Amada from Hoboken
    New Jersey writes , 'Dear Jeff Strobel, what exactly does DEADvurnugen
    look like?' 
    
    Man, can ya SEE the commercial this could make?!
                                           %^) ;^) :^)
                                                      rfb
23.46SSGV02::STROBELDeadvurnugenTue Mar 26 1991 14:365
Deadvurnugen - I saw this on a t-shirt Saturday and got a chuckle. Had the
seleton in place of the VW stick figure. I believe a translation might be the
exhilarating feeling one gets only at a Dead show.

   j
23.47Thoughts on Albany, it was ...BOOKS::BAILEYBSmilin' on a cloudy dayTue Mar 26 1991 15:1837
    
    ... driving hundreds of miles to meet friends from work.
    
    ... eating falafel in the rain while checking out the bazaar and the
        bizarre.
    
    ... old guys in tie-dyes, and young flirts in long skirts.
    
    ... the anticipation of knowing they'll play just what I wanted to
        hear, regardless of the set list.
    
    ... chuckling at all the clever T-shirts everybody was wearing.
    
    ... the world's largest aerobics event.
    
    ... sing-along, clap-along par excellence.
    
    ... strange sounds coming from the percussion section.
    
    ... concerto for guitar and acid.
    
    ... correctly guessing when they'd finish "Playin' in the Band".
    
    ... relaxing with friends; before, during, and after the show.
    
    		and most importantly:
    
    ... just exactly what I needed, when I needed it most
    
    
    			O   O
                          ^
                        `---'
    
    					... Bobbb
    
    
23.48SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Mar 26 1991 16:229
	Thanks for the review, Jeff!!  Is anyone going to review the
	other nights??  You're supposed to be the eyes and ears and
	dancing feet for those of us who can't be there, ya know??

	;-)  8-)  8->!!

	peace,
	t!ng
23.49OCTOBR::GRABAZSblack dirt live again!Tue Mar 26 1991 17:217
	yes, YES!  I ditto what T!ng says...I am in need of a Dead
	show as much as y'all but I'm not going to be making it
	to any in the near foreseeable future...I am living it
	vicariously thru your reviews...keep 'em coming!!!! (please!)

	Debess

23.50Saturday's ShowPOWDML::DEDGARTue Mar 26 1991 18:129
    Did anyone see Saturday's show??  It was my first show ever and
    everyone I was with told me it was a bad first show.  I'm curious to
    see what others thought of it.  I thought it seemed like they really
    weren't into it, but what do I have to compare it to??  Unfortunately,
    I didn't get to go to the other shows.
    
    Anyway, it was cool being there.  I've never seen anything like it!!
    
    - D
23.51they are as good as you make (remember them)OURGNG::RYANSpent my life seeking all that's still unsungTue Mar 26 1991 18:247

  There is no such thing as a bad first show!!!!!!!

  Welcome to the bus my friend, see you at a show.  ;-)

  john
23.523-25-91MR4DEC::WENTZELLBuilt for comfortTue Mar 26 1991 21:0456
Well I'll give my nimble fingers a workout with a quick review of Monday 
(didn't make it Saturday or Sunday), no promises of greatness though ;^) 

The scene outside....
Let's see, went with a buddy from Albany and we parked a few blocks from the 
Knick in a nice garage for $2.50 (!) for the night.  The scene outside the Knick
seemed pretty mellow.  The streets were blocked off and filled with heads of 
all sizes, shapes and colors who were doing their thing without any problems 
that I could see.  I noticed a few people who were having a few brews that 
actually made the effort to throw their empties in trash barrels - good to see 
that.  There were some police on horses but they were basically just there 
looking around and making a presense.  The line getting in wasn't too bad - 
they had a system going that someone obviously had thought out ahead of time 
where they let in a bunch from the right side of the doors, then a bunch from 
the left.  This was checkpoint number one.  We got stopped at the front of the 
line when it switched to the other side and started talking with the dude 
controlling the flow there.  He said the scene Saturday was a real mess 
compared with Sunday and Monday.  He thought Saturday's ugliness (his word not 
mine - was it that bad??) occured because there were about 5000 counterfeit 
tickets sold, which is at least 1/3 or more of what the place holds.  I guess 
turning those 5000 away made things a little tough.  Anyway, when he let us by 
we were funneled up the stairs passing checkpoints 2, 3, 4, and 5 (show ticket,
show ticket, searched, show/give ticket).

The scene inside...
Where I was in Sect. 211 (high side stage, Phil's side) security types were 
non-existent and didn't appear in the sections around us either so as far I
could tell that aspect was really mellow - I just decided to stay there and 
not move around at all.  I'm not going to go into a LOT of detail on the show 
itself, only because I was too busy dancing and hopping and bopping and 
weaving and twirling and just having  F U N  to commit much to memory!  I will 
say though that the Shakedown opener with a hoppin' extended jam was definately 
hot and got the blood pumping!  The feeling stayed with me through a very nice 
first set, even though Bob seemed to spend as much time fiddling with his amps 
as he did playing ;^)  On a personal note, this was only my 2nd show and the 
first set had 4 repeats from my first show (MSG 9/16/90).  Greatest Story to 
open the second set was a little sloppy with Bobby missing a line or two (or 
was it technical difficulties?) but I thought Crazy Fingers was really sweet 
and though I sometimes don't get into this song on tape, this one really pulled
me in as it seemed to weave in and out of the rafters over my head.  Truckin' 
seemed to just come out of nowhere and it took me a second to figure that's 
what it was, but as soon as my ears connected with my brain, my feets got 
connected up as well and did their thang!  Real nice jam after Spoonful into 
Drumz which was amazing not only because of the sounds Bill and Micky were 
making, but also becasue I had an awesome view of them and could see clearly 
what was going into it.  Some of the lows seemed to make the air inside my lungs
vibrate - it was a totally cool sensation!!!  After Space the rest of the set 
kept me on my feet, even for the soulful Black Peter which Jerry seemed really 
into, reaching way down inside for the lyrics.  The Lovelight encore was full 
of energy and drive and really picked up a crowd that was hungry for more but 
alas, this evening was at an end and more will have to wait until summer or 
fall for this happy traveller.  

Geez, I guess I remembered more than I thought, how'd I do...

Scott
23.53I wanna thank them for a real good time!DECXPS::BENJAMINWed Mar 27 1991 01:0719
      Hey -D,
    
     I know you could find people who hated Saturday's show and you could
    certainly find people who loved it, IMHO, Sat.'s show was very hot and
    I thought it was the best show I've seen in a while until I saw
    Sunday's show! Not having seen a show for 6 months probably influences
    my veiwpoint alittle, but I've seen enough shows to know when the boys
    are jammin' and to me, I'd rate the weekend very satisfying!
    
    I'd have to say:
    
       Sat: HOT   Sun: HOTTER  Mon: HOT
    
    I enjoyed Albany alot, it reminds me sorta like Providence.  The only
    thing that could have made it better was to have seen the SUN (just for
    a little while).  All problems and bad weather and a few disappointed
    people aside, I had a GREAT time....
    
       Bring on the Summer Tour!   :-)  DaveB.
23.54OCTOBR::GRABAZSblack dirt live again!Wed Mar 27 1991 11:0811
>Some of the lows seemed to make the air inside my lungs
>vibrate - it was a totally cool sensation!!!  

	i LOVE when that happens!!!!!!!!!!


>Geez, I guess I remembered more than I thought, how'd I do...

	GRATE!!!!  Thanks!

	Debess
23.55Needed a show, got a show. Now, need anuther show!SPICE::PECKARReason tatters...Wed Mar 27 1991 11:217

RE: Albany.

	Thanks, I rilly needed that!

The Stress Meister.
23.56Still another Saturday & Sunday Albany reviews ...BOOKS::BAILEYBSmilin' on a cloudy dayWed Mar 27 1991 12:2392
    Well, I just found out that my project's been cancelled, so now I can
    spend some time writing up my impressions of Saturday and Sunday night
    in Albany.
    
    Saturday evening got off to a wet start, as we stood in the rain for
    about 30 minutes waiting to get in.  It was very reminiscent of last
    year, when people started getting impatient and suddenly you found 
    yourself squeezed into a space smaller than your body was meant for. 
    This was the least fun part of the night.  We finally made it past the
    first two checkpoints, then the security folks were separating the men
    from the women for the frisking lines.  The guy who frisked me asked me
    to empty one of my pockets, in which I had a cigarette lighter and a
    tube of chapstick.  I've never been frisked quite so thoroughly before,
    and I admit it made me a little nervous.
    
    Finally, about 7:20 we made it into the arena.  There weren't many
    people in yet, and we were wondering if the show would start on time. 
    But it didn't start till around 7:40 and by then the arena was fairly
    full.
    
    The first few songs were a little disappointing because neither Jerry
    or Vince were turned up loud enough.  The rest of the band sounded fine
    on Jack Straw->Bertha and Walking Blues.  But with a weak lead guitar
    and keyboards it was disappointing, particularly Walking Blues which I
    thought sounded pretty weak.  Finally, Dan Healy must've realized that
    you can't make FOTD work without turning Jerry up, and that problem got
    fixed.  By the end of FOTD the mix was pretty good and Masterpiece
    sounded really fine.  Loser was so-so, but Cassidy is one of those
    songs that I think has improved since Vince joined the band, and this
    evening's version was sweet.  Then came my highlight of the evening ...
    New Speedway Boogie.  They sounded a little loose on it, but I was so
    psyched they played it.  After that song, I really didn't care what
    they played in the second set ... my night was already made ... ;^)
    
    Second set started with a very hot version of Iko Iko, followed by a
    very ordinary St. of Circumstance and a so-so Ship of Fools.  Then they
    did Playin' in the Band, with a verrrrrry nice jam at the end.  But
    they never finished it ... Bob just kinda walked off the stage.  So
    they kinda jammed their way right into drumz, which was hot ...
    followed by a loooonnng Space (at which point I coined the term
    "concerto for guitar and acid").  Just about the time I started feeling
    the need to dance some more, they accomodated with a spirited version
    of Watchtower.  Then they did one of the nicest Morning Dew's I can
    remember hearing.  And closed the set with One More Saturday Night
    (predictably).  The encore, Knockin' on Heaven's Door, was nice.  But
    I'd have preferred something with a little more pizzazz to close the
    show.  Overall, I'd rate it a good, but not great, show.
    
    Sunday night was different ... there was no hassle getting in, no
    frisking at the door, and the show was smokin' hot from the first
    note to the last.  I don't think anybody sat down the whole first set
    (which was perhaps the hottest first set of any show I've been to). 
    
    The crowd went bonkers when they started into Help on the Way.  This
    version of Help/Slip/Frank was (I think) hotter than last year's
    version (which incidentally happened on the same date).  I figured
    they'd do a cool-down tune after that, but they surprised us with a
    very nice version of Wang Dang Doodle that just kept everybody dancin',
    then followed it up with Jack-a-Roe and BIODTL.  By then I was ready to
    drop from exhaustion.  Things cooled down a bit during Brown-Eyed Women
    and Desolation Row, although both songs were very nicely done (damn I
    wish I could just once hear Bob sing Desolation Row without forgetting
    some of the lyrics).  Finally they closed the set with a hot, tight
    version of Deal.  By now I think the audience was emotionally and
    physically drained from all the energy emanating from the stage during
    the first set.
    
    And the second set was no let-down either.  They started with a hoppin'
    version of Samson & Delilah, then went into China/Rider.  By now the
    building was getting very warm from the exertion of 17,000+ dancing
    Deadheads.  The band must've noticed it too, 'cause then they cooled
    things off with a very nice version of Looks Like Rain, followed by a
    slow, sweet, He's Gone.  On the refrain, it sounded like Jerry really
    wanted to slow this tune down but with all the singing and clapping
    going on, the crowd kinda took control of the tune and the band kept
    playin' on. 
    
    After Drumspace they launched into The Wheel, followed by I Need a
    Miracle.  By then the crowd needed another rest, and they obliged with
    beautiful rendition of Standing on the Moon.  They closed the set with
    an energetic Good Lovin', which left us all clappin', stompin', and
    screamin' for more.  The band didn't wait long to come out for the
    encore, and kept the energy flowing with U.S. Blues.  
    
    Overall, Sunday night's show was perhaps the tightest, most energetic 
    that I've ever been to.  I seriously want tapes of that show.
    
    And tonight I'm off to Lawnguyland for Thursday and Friday night's
    showz.  Hope to see some of y'all there ...
    
    							... Bob
    
23.57Review of Albany.....long windedAD::VAUKlove will see you throughWed Mar 27 1991 14:06188
    
    Whelp, I thought I would put in some comments about the weekend at
    Albany........
    
    Driving to Albany on Saturday we hit some of the worst weather I have
    ever driven in - and I am from Chicago.  We had rain, sleet, snow, ice,
    wind, and various mixtures of all of the above.  Every time I changed
    lanes the back of my car had a mind of it own and wiggled around. 
    Pretty scarry.  I saw a lot of accidents - people in the ditch and
    people hitting the guard rails - everyone seemed alright - they were up
    walking around.  We stayed at the Central Motel on Central street.  The
    room had two twin beds in it - real nice for $50 + $5tax.  Right
    outside the motel there was a bus stop.  We hopped on the bus for .75
    and rode it straight to the Knick.  We then grabbed some muchies.  I
    was with a friend Sat who had never been to a show before so I took him
    to deadland which was pretty mellow considering the rain.  We stopped
    by the Hill St. Cafe and saw Gerry and Fog.  We didn't stay long cause
    my friend wanted to go.  We then stumbled upon a bar that was running a
    drink special - $5 all you can drink until 6 o'clock.  We went in and I
    ran into some people I knew - humm does say anything about the people I
    hang out with:-).  In there was a keg flowing with may pitchers to help
    yourself.  The owner also made us some tasty pizza's for $7.  Pretty
    good place.  Then about 5:45 we headed over to the Nick to check out
    the scene.  I remembered the mess getting in last year and was not
    going to let that happen again.  So we stood across the street
    protected from the non stop rain.  When the crowd started moving in we
    walked across the street and got in rather quickly.  There were 4 check
    points - 1>show ticket/get rid of cans and bottles. 2>counterfeit
    ticket check - they checked very closely.  They had some ticketmaster
    representatives to double check any tix the security were not shure
    about.  3>body cavity search - na just kidding - but they did search me
    pretty good.  Almost did not let me in with blanks that I was going to
    give to Gerry.  4>give tix and your in.  On Saturday I sat in 108 Phil
    side.  We were directly on the side of the stage with a pretty good
    view of everyone.  The show started out great with a nice Jack
    Straw>Bertha - played pretty well - got the sweat glands open and
    ready.  Friend of the Devil was real sweet.  It was played (I thought)
    slower than usual and was real long.  Loser was nice but did not
    compare the the incrediable 3/24/90 version from last year.  Cassidy
    was the highlight of the first set for me - the boyz were really on for
    this one.  It just got pushed further than before - very hot.  NSB was
    a surprise - I was glad to hear it.  I called the Aiko set II opener
    and it was a good way to get the set bopping along.  St. of
    Circumstance was also very nice - my second.  Playin went into a real
    long jam - I thought we were going to get a Dark Star there but no such
    luck - I also heard a China Doll tease - I heard this a couple times
    over the weekend.  Watchtower in my opinion was the weakest part of the
    show - it just seemed to be falling apart the whole time - like they
    were struggling to get the tune over with.  The Morning Dew was the
    highlight of the run for me - this version was amazing.  Jerry took me
    to emotions I have not experienced in a while.  The tune just kept
    building and building and it seemed long also.  My favoite Dew until
    this one was Alpine 6/23/88.  Maybe it was just me but this blew me
    away.  When Sat nite started I could barley get into it cause I kept
    stopping and putting my head in my hands shaking it in disbelief at
    what I just heard.  Thanks Jerry!  (ok I will stop raving about this
    Dew:-))  The encore of Heaven's Door also had that extra emotion in it
    like the Dew.  Jerry really seemed into it.  It was a great way to end
    a good show.  After the show we went to the Hill St Cafe to meet up
    with Gerry.  We then grabbed a cab back to our motel and crashed.  
    
    I awoke on Sunday to the sound of rain on the roof - well it was either
    that or a stampeed of mice - I was hoping for the mice but when I look
    out the window - I was brought back to reality - it was STILL raining. 
    My friend took off home and I got in my car and drove to the Nick and
    parked in the lot next to the Nick for $10.  (a mistake as I would
    learn later)  I got some munchies - all the stores in Albany had signs
    in the windows welcoming us to town.  I felt very welcome and was never
    harassed in any way all weekend.  Due to the rain almost everyone hung
    out in the parking garage.  I decided to walk around so I headed for
    the tunnels under the Egg.  I was wandering around when I heard someone
    say "Jerry".  I turned around and there was Dave, Geoff, and Paul(I
    think that was his name).  We hooked up and went out to visit the
    parking lot scene - the rain had now let up.  We then ran into Adam who
    they had lost earlier in the day.  We decided to go to the Hill St Cafe
    and shoot some pool.  We got there about 2 o'clock.  There we also saw
    Lisa, Phyllis, and others.  I left about 4 to go to my car and change
    into some dry socks and get ready for the show.  The opened the gates a
    half hour earlier than they did on Sat.  The opened up at 6 o'clock.  I
    got in no problem - no body cavity search this time.  I almost got ran
    over by a security guard as he was running after a ticketless person
    who was trying to run in.  The caught him and escorted him off.  Tonite
    I was sitting in the 5th row center with Gerry Gladu.  We were sitting
    in the exact middle of Bobby and Phil.  WOW these seats were amazing -
    the closest I have ever been.  In fact I have never been on the floor
    before.  I knew from the opener of H/S/F that we were in for a hot
    show.  The Franklin's was really long and hot.  Jerry was here to play
    tonite.  Wang Dang Doodle also seemed really hard and hot compared the
    the version I got at New Years.  BIODTL was a treat for me - I don't
    think I have ever heard this one before - sorry I don't remember how
    many beats.  Brown Eyed Women was also a treat for me - I like this
    song.  The Deal set closer was AMAZING - they kept peaking over and
    over again.  I thought the song was going to end multiple times but
    they just kept pushing it harder and harder - it was like this all
    night - they just pushed each song a little further than they ususally
    do.  Samson & Delilah quickly took over where Deal left the crowd.  The
    China>Rider surprised me since they just played in Landover but hey
    what a pleasant surprise.  Jerry was really into this one.  During
    Rider Jerry belted out with more emotion and vocal strength than I have
    seen in a while the lines "I wish I was a headlight, on a North-bound
    train" multiple times.  WOW.  LLR was real nice - this is a special
    song for me cause it reminds me of someone special.  Bobby was really
    into this one - at the end he did his Peradictaly mating calls.  I
    usually laugh at this but I liked it this time - it really hit me
    right.  Thanks Bobby.  He's Gone was also real sweet and emotional as
    always.  The Wheel out of Space lifted us up and got those feet movin'
    again. Bobby seemed to really like the way the crowd was belting the
    lyrics back to him during Miracle.  Standing on the Moon was a perfect
    choice as far as I am concerned.  We needed to slow the dancing pace a
    bit before we all collapsed.  Jerry was really into this one also - I
    love this song and with the War and all it seemed to really hit home -
    lyric wise.  Good Lovin' quickly got us all dancin' at a fevorish pace
    again.  I figured since the show was so *^%$^%$@ hot and foot staping
    good that they would mellow us out with a mellow encore like Black
    Muddy River or Brokedown Palace but no the boyz were here to rock
    tonite - the US Blues encore was rockin'.  What an amazing show - best
    I have seen in a while!!! as far as pure rocking and foot moving tunes. 
    They really pushed each song to a new level all night long.  After the
    show I ran back to my car cause being a lowly coop (aka slave:-)) I had
    to come to work on Monday.  When I got to the parking lot it was mobbed
    with people which made it hard to get out but I evenetually made it
    home - but it was not easy - very long drive and after a show like that
    I was EXHAUSTED.  
    
    Monday I left from work to drive back.  This time I took a suggestion
    from Adam and took 90 to 787 which took me to a parking lot right under
    the Egg where the price was $5.  This is the best way to go if you ever
    go back to Albany - easy exit to the parking lot and very fast way out
    - right on 787 to 90 no problem with people or traffic.  I got there
    about 5 o'clock.  I wandered around the parking lot again - I bumped
    into a couple people I knew but then I headed in about 6 - I rather
    wait inside dry then be caught in the last minute crunch and miss part
    of the first set.  No body cavity search tonite either.  Tonite I was
    sitting in 4th row center right between Bobby and Phil again - WOW
    these seats were incrediable.  It seemed like you were at a private
    show - being so close you don't see all the other people unless you
    turn around.  It was wild making eye contact with the boyz - I will
    never forget it.  Once I was making drumming motions to Bill and he
    looked at me and smiled.  I heard a lot of people saying Hell in the
    Bucket opener - I was hopping for a Shakedown (Hell is not one of my
    favorites I have heard it enough)  Whelp, we got the Shakedown so I was
    off again dancin'.  I was a little sore tonite though after Sunday's
    show.  The Shakedown was real long and well played.  The Rooster was
    real bluzy with both Bob and Jerry on slide guitar.  High Time was real
    nice also - I like this song and Jerry was really there again with good
    vocals - I love it when he has the full strength of those vocals.  10SC
    Jed was hopping right along into Promised Land which figured would end
    the set but Jerry did not move off the stage....more?  Yep Touch of
    Grey.  It was a real long first set.  The second set got off to a
    rockin' start with Greatest Story Ever Told but Bobby forgot his lyrics
    to this one back in dressing room.  He really botched it multiple time. 
    It was great to be so close to watch him forget the words and see Jerry
    look over at him with a scolding look.  It was hilarious.  Crazy
    Fingers was nice.  It seemed that they couldn't decide what to go into
    next so eventually they gave up and went into Truckin'.  Spoonful
    seemed really scary like - I like it.  Kinda mystical in a way.  Then
    coming out of space Bobby looked over at Phil and raised his eyebrows -
    as if saying ok Phil do your thing.  Phil then belted out the into to
    the Other One.  Wow Phil shook my whole inside with that intro - being
    that close it was amazing - thanks Phil - his bass ripped right thru me
    there.  Black Peter was played with a lot of emotion from Jerry again. 
    Throwing Stones was nice - Bobby enjoyed the crowd singing Ashes Ashes.
    The first time we got to that part he started singing it but then heard
    the crowd and stood back from the mike and motioned out with his hand
    telling us to go head and do it.  I was expecting Lovelight after
    Throwing Stone but what is this Playin' (reprise) WOW this is weird. 
    It caught me completely off guard.  I guess they felt they had to
    finish it since they never did on Saturday.  For the encore I figured
    Brokedown but we got Lovelight after all and I was pleased.  I think
    Bobby could do a little more with the Rap part but no one could do it
    like Pig Pen used to.  Bobby enjoyed yelling "Do ya feel good" - he 
    seemed to enjoy the audience reaction.  I saw one of Bobby's daughters
    - she was talking to the guy behind me - she was pretty cute if I do
    say so myself.  I also say two of Jerry's daughters on stage - one was
    young - I would say 4 or 5 and the other one was probably in her 20's
    they both had the Jerry body build.  I also saw Bear on stage.  I
    watched most of the show from the left side of the stage.  It was a
    great show - I had a fantastic time - I don't think I can ever top that
    weekend - being so close.  
    
    If I had to rate the showz I would say Sunday was the best followed by
    Saturday and then by Monday.  The drive home was long but all the
    police that were out kept me alert.  All in all it was a fantastic run
    of showz - they were there to play and play they did.  Jerry's voice
    sounded great.  WOW.
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry Vauk
23.58Saturday: mediocreZENDIA::FERGUSONIs it just a waste of time?Wed Mar 27 1991 14:2662
Sat @ the Knick:

	We arrived at the scene around 4:30 pm.  Parked for $5, which I though
was very reasonable compared to prices found at other venues.  We ventured to
the Hill St Cafe and met up with Bruce Susel, Adam, Geoff, and a couple other
people who's names I forget.  The beer there was quite fine:  Bass Ale on tap
surely hit my spot.

	After the Hill St, we ventured out in the pouring rain to grab some
pizza before the show (dinner).  Then, we headed to the front of the Knick
into the vast sea of rain-soaked people.  Like others have said, getting in
was a real pain in the butt.  Luckily, I stood under one guy's unbrella for
a while, which kept off some of the moistness.  After a few more checkpoints,
we were in.  We chatted w/ a few decheads we saw then made way for section
240... 

	We decided not to sit in our assigned seats that were behind stage.
Section 240 is straight back... there were plenty of open seats that we
used and never got hassled for.  For some reason, I just was not into this
show.  I thought the sound was really lame; everything seemed muddled, I
could hardly hear Jerry, Bob or Vince.  Walking Blues was really
bad... hardly any Jerry at all...  this, compounded by the fact that I was
uncomfortable with my seating arrangement, made for a somewhat lackluster
first set. The highlight of the first set for me was Cassidy, then New Speedway
Boogie.  By the time Cassidy rolled around, Healy finally fixed the sound!

	Second set was better.  Iko was good, but not nearly as hot as
other Ikos I've heard in the past.  St. of Cir. was also pretty good...
Deb did not recognize this song, so she kind of spaced out and wanted to
distract me from listening (that's ok though).  Don't remember Ship.  Playin'
was very nice!  I think Bobby might have messed the words up once or 
twice -- not sure though.  Jerry really, really, really wanted to finish
Playin' off but Bob wasn't going to let it happen.  Bob walked off stage
while Jerry continued winding down the jam.  For a while, I though they
were going to pull in Uncle John Band -- seemed like Phil wanted this.  Also,
the thought of Dark Star occured, but never formulated.

	Drums/Space was normal.  Watchtower was pretty good.  Dew was ok.
I thought 1 Mo Sat Night was very hot!  Finally, I thought, they got things
going... I knew it was going to be the set-ender.  Heaven's door was
normal.

	The last show I saw before this one was in Denver, CO.  The first
thing I noticed was the LOUD LOUD LOUD New England crowd.  Some people like
this, some don't.  I don't care for a loud crowd.  I like to dance, listen
to the music, and keep my mouth shut until the song is over.  At times,
the crowd was so loud that it was hard to hear the music.  During the quiet
moments of a song, or during a jam, it was easy to hear lots of chatter in
the arena.  People love to talk, talk, talk while the music is playing.  This
was a very sharp contrast against the quiet Denver show.  They played Dew
in Denver also.  At New England shows, people talk, clap and scream during the
song.  In Denver, we could not believe the restraint people had.  Nice and
quiet compared to Albany... 

	Gerry Gladu came by on Sunday after the show with some tapes.  We
listened to Set I from Saturday and Set I from Sunday.  The tapes reveal the
loudness of the crowd pretty well, compared to my Denver tapes.  Also, FWIW,
the Saturday tapes sounds a lot better than what I remember!

	Sunday review forthcoming...

	
23.59TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Wed Mar 27 1991 16:1515
 
    > Also, FWIW, the Saturday tapes sounds a lot better than what I remember!

    IMO, this is because part of what made the Saturday show so mediocre
    was the lack of energy/synergy/cosmicgoo:-) between the band and the
    crowd.  I think that contributes as much to the show as the actual
    music does.  I know I've come upon this idea a lot when listening
    to/discussing tapes with folks.  We'll have show A and show B from
    somewhere, and show A's tape will sound much better even though you
    know.. cause you were there.. that show B really blew it away.  Blame
    it on the cosmic goo. :-)  Maybe this is why I prefer audience tapes
    for shows I was at and really loved.. captures a little of the crowd 
    energy that you can't get from a soundboard.
	
    
23.60brief notesWFOV12::BUTZEDo the trouser press babyWed Mar 27 1991 16:3427
    some quick hits on mondays show.....
    ....found a side street parking spot that cost zippppo good way to
    start the evening
    .....found the R&R bar that had a sign welcoming Deadheads...was the
    only white person in it but thats ok...however it did not seem they
    wanted to see to many Deadheads and all the other patrons spent much of
    the time gawking out the window at all the goings on outside..this 
    offered a new perspective..
    .....no hassles going in 
    ....Shakedown blew me away...great way to get that fix .... that was
    well needed.
    .....Liked the first set except that it seemed the band stumble in one 
    way or another in every song (cept shakedown) but made up for it as the 
    song progressed.
    .....Second set was the same stumbling but strong jams made up for
    it...highlites included the sweeeet begining to Crazy Fingers, the
    great jam at the end of Spoonful (I've heard this before maybe at a
    Jerry show) and the jam going into Other One (and the entire song)
    plus the Playing refrain
    ....BIG SMILE at the end of the night 
    ....bumping into Gerry G and Dave W near the drums during break
    (I might have been grumpy if so sorry I was in dire need of the
    facilities)
    ....downer was hearing rumors that jerry is misbehaving again
    ....wish I was going to Nassau.
    
    rich
23.61Nassau 3/27/91AD::VAUKlove will see you throughThu Mar 28 1991 12:2718
       > Jerry sang Estimated?  Wish I could have seen that - Did he do any
       > eagle screems? :-) :-)
       >
       > Btw - What is the VERY sick Jam, and what is the SICKEST loose lucy?
       >
       > Looks Like a excellent show, WOW!! Box of Rain Encore!!!
       >
       > Scott g
    
    Hey Now Scott, I got the set list from Dead-flames.  Now that I think
    about it think that it is higly unlikely that Jerry sang Estimated - I
    don't think Bobby would pass up his chance to do some Peradactial(sp?)
    mating calls.  Can anyone out there who went to last nites Nassau show
    verify what the show was like?  I think we will have to wait for the
    tapes to verify the "SICK" songs and jams:-)
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry
23.62TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Thu Mar 28 1991 12:4337
    
    
    
    
    First of all....
    
    thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
    thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
    thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
    for playing ruben & cherise wednesday and not friday!!!!!!!!!!!!
    thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
    thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
    
    :-)
    
    Yes, Bob sang Estimated.  Although I have to admit chuckling at the
    image of Jerry doing eagle screams. :-)
    
    It was a very hot show.. especially second set.  1st set really wasn't
    all that grate, although you'd never know it from the list.  They played
    good songs.. but there just wasn't that much intense jamming.  Except
    for Loose Lucy.. that was very hot.  Phil's verse in Maggie's Farm was
    the best/strongest he's ever sang!  And he kept it up for the Box
    encore.. didn't even forget one word!  :-)  Ruben & Cherise was alot of
    fun and Cold Rain was good too.
    
    The whole second set was incredible... Fire on the Mt. blew me away..
    and one of the best Uncle John's ever..  But the best was the jam after
    Estimated... wow!  
    
    Nassau rumor for the day:  Isn't it interesting how they've saved Eyes
    and Bird Song for the night Branford's rumored to show? :-)
    
    Get tapes!
    
    Phyllis
    
23.63AD::VAUKlove will see you throughThu Mar 28 1991 13:005
    
    >Nassau rumor for the day:  Isn't it interesting how they've saved Eyes
    >and Bird Song for the night Branford's rumored to show? :-)
    
    And Dark Star for that matter.
23.64TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Thu Mar 28 1991 13:306
    
    :-)
    
    I didn't wanna say it and jinx myself but you can.. thanks!  :-)
    
    
23.65re: sickNECSC::LEVYIn search of the Big GrooveFri Mar 29 1991 00:0417
    I've heard "sick" being used among the "younger set" to mean AMAZING,
    GRATE, etc.
    
    Personally, I like:
    
         
    	- lowgen = very good
    
    	- lowgen soundboard = excellent
    
    	- lowgen DIGITAL soundboard = truly tanscendent
    
    Man, that was a lowgen DIGITAL soundboard experience, don't you think?
    
    	~dave
    
    
23.66TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Mar 29 1991 11:325
    
    It's not just age, it's regional.  In NY, if you say, that set was
    really sick, you mean it was really amazing.  
    
    
23.673/28/91TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Mar 29 1991 11:5022
    
    Well, last night's show was incredible!  It was very short.. I bet it
    ended a good 45 minutes earlier than Wednesdays.. but the playing was
    unbelievable!  There wasn't one soft spot all night.. no throways.  Not
    even one bathroom song! ;-)  Friends who have seen the whole tour so
    far thought it was the best show yet.  If I were writing the set list,
    there's be ! everywhere!!! :-)  Especially by Foolish Heart.. truly
    a spectacular version.  And the Terrapin encore.. :-) :-) :-)  Wow!
    They didn't do it like an encore.. it was a soaring version that
    built to a great climax and then gently brought us back down to earth.  
    Towards the end it sounded like they were going into something else..
    we thought maybe they'd start a new era of Grateful Dead.. three mini
    sets. ;-) But then they turned it back into Terrapin and brought us
    home.  Truly something. :-)
    
    Shows like last night make you realize why you love the Grateful Dead.
    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
    
    :-)  :-)  :-)
    
    Phyllis
    
23.68TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Mar 29 1991 12:105
    
    One thing I forgot to mention.. they were playing riffs from China Cat
    in the middle of Goin Down The Road!  It was pretty weird.. :-)
    
    
23.69AlbanyFURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Mar 29 1991 12:2930
	Back from my travels to Albany and a work trip to Cincinatti...

	I loved Saturday's 3/23 show the best of the 3 because of the jamming 
	that took place in Saint of C and Playin'.   This is what I 
	reaaaally like,	and got it to an extent.   After hearing about an
	interview with Healy about how good the sound is at Albany, I was
	wondering why noone could hear Jerry or Bob the first night.  After
	the first few tunez the sound got much better!   

	Sunday's first set was hotter n' hell!  Some really nice playing,	
	and a rocking set!   2nd set ChinaRider was nice, but I was mildly
	disappointed to get Looks Like Rain and He's Gone, again.  Seems like
	I get this combo constantly.  But I'm not complaining about getting
	another Dew, and a great one at that!    Hung out with an old college
	friend and Doug Moog, who claimed an unexpected extra ticket.

	Monday nite I called the Shakedown opener, which made me 3 for 3
	for predicting the JackStraw->Bertha, HSF, and this one.  My friend
	from Albany was impressed ;-)  It was a nice long Shakedown, like it
	should be...

	Is anyone else wondering about that jam Jerry tried to get going 
	before space ?   Seemed like noone in the band could figure out what
	he was playing, which sounded like a Russian Lullaby type of melody.

	Sure was wierd seeing Vince up there.  I really like what I heard!
	Most especially when the going gets wierd and the jams start. He's
	right there and seems to open things up.

	Ken
23.70PCOJCT::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleFri Mar 29 1991 12:4646
    My 2 cents or the view from the 1st row....
    
    Anticipation fills the air.  You look around and see thousands of
    people looking down, waiting for the show to begin.  Then the lights go
    out and you realize that the band can only see the first five rows, but
    they can see you.  People milling around the stage, a very beautiful
    little blonde boy is in his mother's arms, smiling while he watches his
    daddy play bass guitar.  His daddy meanwhile keeps two pictures of his kids
    on the amp!
    
    First set is just sooo right.  A rockin' Bertha to open, energy
    abounds, the sound is crystal clear.  The boyz are clearly having a
    fine ole time.  Jerry wailin' away, smiling, having a fine time.  Vince
    (who I could hardly hear) is concentrating so hard, looking very
    intense but seemingly he's getting used to being there.
    
    I totally agree with Phyllis about the first set.  Not a throwaway at
    all.  Great music, great enery.  Just so on. (Highlights - the whole
    set!)  Second set opens with a great VOTC into Foolish Heart.  The songs 
    just build and the jamming on VOTC reverberated throughout your body.  
    Good Women are Smarter.  Then into drums, we're thinking what's going 
    on?  (Now it's bathroom time)  When I came back to my seat during drums, 
    passing by the speaker banks was just incredible - you feel the sound 
    coming out of the speakers, a very unusual feeling.  Then I felt the 
    show fell apart, an OK China Doll, short Good Lovin' and short Goin' 
    Down the Road.  We look at our watches and it's 10:30PM, this can't 
    be right!!!.  Guess the boyz thought it wasn't right either, because 
    they came back with Terrapin for an encore.  Good guitar work, they 
    started to go into Gimme Some Lovin' but suddenly they looked lost, 
    Bobby kept looking at Jerry, Jerry looked at Vince, Phil looked at 
    Bobby and then they stopped playing.
    
    Fashion report....Bobby wore a black silk shirt, jeans, moccasins (w/o
    socks).  No more pony tail.  Jerry had on the usual black
    t-shirt/sweatpants.  Vince had a nice Atzec style print shirt.  Phil
    had a multicolor sweat shirt.  The Vulcan had a black t-shirt.  I
    couldn't see Billy at all.
    
    I only hope that mail order will bless everyone in this file the way
    we were blessed last night.  Having those seats just one time was truly
    an experience of a lifetime.  No scalper scum, just plain luck to get
    those seats.
    
    And lastly a Happy Easter and Passover to everyone!!!!
    
    Fredda                                           
23.71i was wonderin as well..WFOV12::BUTZEDo the trouser press babyFri Mar 29 1991 13:404
    ...ref jam after SPoonful ..Monday in Albany...Russian Lull. or
    Positively 64th st....??????
    
    rich
23.72TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Mar 29 1991 14:014
    
    I think it was definately Russian Lullaby.
    
    
23.73FRAGLE::IDEnow it can be toldFri Mar 29 1991 14:197
    re: last night's show
    
    Wasn't that the first post Brent era "China Doll"?  Does Vince have as
    good a harpsichord sample as Brent did?  It really blew me away in
    Hartford last year - now I just want to hear "Comes A Time" again.
    
    Jamie
23.74ZENDIA::FERGUSONthe rainbow has a beardFri Mar 29 1991 14:276
When I was in Denver, CO, they did a VOTC then Foolish Heart.  I really do not
care for Victum, but the Foolish Heart was wicked, killer, smokin' hot! :-)

Sounds like y'all got a similar taste!

JC
23.75SA1794::GLADUG_ -`-,&lt;@ &lt;-?-&gt; @&gt;,-`-Fri Mar 29 1991 15:151
    I guess Unkle Spikey didn't show up last night, huh? :-)
23.76OK,.. where's my falme retardant underwear?STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Apr 01 1991 14:3226
    
    	No Ger,.. no spike
    
    	Folks,.. you can flame me to high heaven for saying this, but
    the Thursday and Friday Nasswau shows were pretty lame by my book.
    I don't mind too much when they blow the words,.. but when they start
    blowing their guitar parts, as I heard Jerry and Bob both do, I gotta
    wonder what the hell I'm paying $25 for and travelling across three
    states to see. I mean,.. what happened during Wharf Rat? Bobby didn't
    play the wholoe song. It fell apart,.. Jerry had to let it die because
    he couldn't carry it off himself. What happened to extended intricate
    tight jamming? WHy do I hear the same old jams,... only trunctaed
    
    	Also,.. the crowd,.. oy. Why does everyone have to start screaming
    every time Jerry starts soloing? WHy can't everybody shut up and
    listen for once. I don't know,.. maybe its just NY. But Jerry can't
    even hear himself play whne everyone is screaming the way they do. I
    guess I shouldn't expect any excellent jamming when he has to drown out
    the crowd (which he can't do anyway) to be heard.
    
    
    						/who_heard_better_music_
    						listening_to_his_tape_deck
    						on_the_way_home
    
    
23.77More equipment problems..KOBAL::MROGERSSomeday everything's gonna be different...Mon Apr 01 1991 14:433
    /, Bob had guitar problems throughout Wharf Rat. Parrish was in front
    of Bob's rack for most of the song. We couldn't hear anything from Bob
    which was why Phil and Jerry were doing all the jamming.
23.78...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Apr 01 1991 15:0819
    
    	Yah Mike,.. It just seemed toi me that he decided to have
    equipment problems because he couldn't quite get the right MIDI
    sound out for the chord riff he usually plays in that song. Then,
    having missed the intro,.. he just wallowed... he could have
    shut down the MIDI and played some guitar (what a concept) for
    a change.
    
    	bout those equipment problems.,... what the hhell was that
    anyway? A speaker blowing? an amp? Anyway,.. true to form.,.
    the crowd cheered for the blowing speaker...
    
    	I guess music appreciation is not part of the scene anymore
    
    							/
    
    	PS Sorry folks,.. I must be in one of those ruts everyone is
    talking about. And I just saw two shows :-/
    
23.79TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Mon Apr 01 1991 15:1411
    
    Hey Slash.. ya gotta know by now that if you're looking for a nice,
    mellow crowd, Nassau's the last place you should go.  It's always like
    that..
    
    It's like, if you didn't *know* you were at a deadshow, you wouldn't
    know you were at a deadshow.
    
    Know what I mean?  :-)
    
    
23.80?ISLNDS::CLARKMon Apr 01 1991 15:159
re < Note 23.78 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >
                                    -< ... >-
>    anyway? A speaker blowing? an amp? Anyway,.. true to form.,.
>    the crowd cheered for the blowing speaker...

I don't know; the people around me sure seemed bummed out when the speaker
started crackling ... I think the cheer was because it seemed to recover.

- Dave
23.81?WFOV12::BUTZEDo the trouser press babyMon Apr 01 1991 15:367
    ...ahhhhh / good to see some of your old form ...thought you had lost
    it for a while....as much as I enjoyed Albany (monday) I still thought
    it was missing something....maybe the whole run is a tough effort for 
    one reason or another...btw any more rumors about Jerry and old bad 
    habbits???  sorry to hear you had a bad time/
    
    rich
23.82TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Mon Apr 01 1991 15:514
    
    I heard the same rumor also (in Albany) :-(
    
    
23.83DASXPS::ABURNSTAMALPAIS CHIEFSMon Apr 01 1991 15:514
    hey /, isn't going to see a bad Dead show still better than 
    a good day at the office? ;^)
    
    peace,Andy
23.84...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Apr 01 1991 15:5225
    
    	No rumors Rich,.. but from the way he played (or rather didn't
    play) I would tend to believe such rumors.
    
    	re Dave Clark (which one is it?)
    
    		Well,.. I was pretty bummed out too,.. especially
    when they cut the set short for it,.. wondering to myself if
    that would be able to get fixed for the second set. But the cheers,..
    I mean they were loud raucous cheers that seemed to me to say ..
    
    	" Wow,.. what an awesome sound,.  really $%^&* my head up man,..
    do it again"
    
    	rather than 
    
    	" Oh good,.. they fixed it ..."
    
    	I mean,.. of the folks who felt the second way,.. like myself,..
    it was more like a heavy sigh of relief,.. than a scream of joy..
    
    	eh?
    
    								/moody
    
23.85And I still don't know what a Patroon is ...BOOKS::BAILEYBSmilin' on a cloudy dayMon Apr 01 1991 15:5321
    I was also a bit disappointed with the Nausea Colliseum shows ... but
    perhaps for different reasons.  I stayed at my brother's house in
    Joisey, and Thursday night we took the wrong exit 22 and ended up
    getting lost.  After a harrowing half-hour, we finally got back on
    track and arrived about half-way through Bertha.  I thought the show
    was good, but really short ... like the boyz just weren't into it that
    night.  Friday we got to the show in plenty of time, then did a classic
    "what do you mean do I have the tickets, don't YOU have them ???!!!". 
    Now, the tix are at my bro's house, two hour's drive away, and the show
    starts in a half-hour.  So we called his wife who was nice enough to
    race up to the V-N bridge to meet us with the tickets.  We ended up
    back at the show during intermission, having missed the entire first
    set.
    
    But aside from all that, I thought the two Albany showz I saw were much
    better than the 1.5 Nausea showz I saw.  Somehow the boyz just didn't
    seem all that much into it down in Lawnguyland.  Perhaps they just miss
    Hornsby ... I know I did.
    
    ... Bob
    
23.87well,.. relatively speaking,.. I guess... :-)STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Apr 01 1991 16:008
    re Andy Burns
    
    	Oh yeah Andy,.. I guess you got me there. Its true,..A bad day
    at a dead show still beats a good day at work,.. or rather,.. 
    A bad day at a dead show still blows working out of the water.
    
    
    						/getting_some_perspective
23.88Sugarloaf here I comeWFOV12::BUTZEDo the trouser press babyMon Apr 01 1991 16:0710
    We've mentioned it before ..but maybe it is time for a change...
    Phyllis mentioned 3 mini sets that could be neat...I doubt the band
    has grown that dependent on Hornsby that it could effect them that 
    much....they also could use a dose of NEW MATERIAL...not just 
    bringing in old tunes (even though thats fun)...very few new
    tunes have shown the endurance for jams etc as Scarlet>Fire
    or Eyes or The Other One etc......maybe a years sabatical
    would help....jit seems that the second sets have shown minimal
    change over the past 5 years...not flaming just got some energy
    since / made his observation.
23.89Review from the Charlotte MikesSHALOT::LAMPSONopportunities in work clothesMon Apr 01 1991 16:4852
23.90LANDO::HAPGOODLeroy says, 'keep on rockin'Mon Apr 01 1991 18:1723
>        BTW, if anyone wants to come down tonight, people were BEGGING to
>        trade Monday nights for Tuesday.  Apparently, there are plenty of
>        Tuesday night tix available.  ;^}
 
Hey now to you folks in NC!

I talked with my sister'n'law who was at the show last night with
my brother and they are gonna watch DUKE play as well as everyone
they went with....

I mean where else in the world would priorities change from Dead shows
to basketball....?

Why the answer would have to be North Carolina and Indiana.....

:)
bob who'd be at the deadshow with a vcr in the hotel room taping
the game for after show consumption....

3 cheers to DUKE for beatin' the overaged college kids from UNLV
(ahem...after getting smashed by UNLV last year...)


23.91The Albany Rain FluAD::VAUKlove will see you throughMon Apr 01 1991 19:317
    
    I heard that Bobby and Jerry were sick with the flu during the Nassau
    run.....did anyone else hear this?  That might account for the short
    sets and the sloppy playing that has been talked about.
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry
23.92yeah, that would explain it ...BOOKS::BAILEYBSmilin' on a cloudy dayTue Apr 02 1991 12:127
    I'd believe it ... I dunno about those guys, but I'm still sick with
    it.  Damn thing's gone from a chest cold to a sore throat to an ear
    infection.  If those guys felt as bad as I do, I'm surprised they played
    at all.
    
    ... Bob
    
23.93ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidently in St.Paul,MNTue Apr 02 1991 14:321
    Didn't the Boys play last night?  Has anyone seen a set list yet?
23.94blahEZRIDR::SIEGELThe wheel is turningTue Apr 02 1991 16:323
Who *didn't* get sick in Albany?

adam_on_erythromycin
23.95delayed tour fever?ISLNDS::CLARKhonor veterans - wage peaceTue Apr 02 1991 16:423
I thought I didn't ... nor in Nassau ... but it snuck up on me this morning!

- Dave_having_entered_another_dimension_via_decongestants_and_throat_lozenges
23.96SPICE::PECKARconfusion wil be my epitaphTue Apr 02 1991 17:406
>Who *didn't* get sick in Albany?

I didn't.


Fog_who_was_already_sick_when_he_arrived_there_:-/
23.97TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Tue Apr 02 1991 17:436
    
    Well that's cheating. 
    
    ;-)
    
    
23.98MSHRMS::FIELDSA Time 4peace I Swear Its Not 2L8Tue Apr 02 1991 17:531
    he started it !
23.99sniffENGINE::MOLLENHAUERTue Apr 02 1991 18:054
    I also thought that I had escaped the bug both in Albany and Nassau
    but now I have a sore throat and various other cold symptoms.
    
    Heidi
23.100AOXOA::STANLEYJust one thing that I have to say...Tue Apr 02 1991 18:185
I had something after coming back from Landover that kicked my butt for a week. 
I'm still fighting residual symptoms.  Hey, maybe there's a CIA conspiracy to
infect Dead crowds with new viruses! ;-)  Stranger things have happened I guess.

		Dave
23.101NY's got the ways and means, but just won't let you be, oh noZENDIA::FERGUSONthe rainbow has a beardTue Apr 02 1991 20:4028
RE:      <<< Note 23.76 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
                -< OK,.. where's my falme retardant underwear? >-

>    	Also,.. the crowd,.. oy. Why does everyone have to start screaming
>    every time Jerry starts soloing? WHy can't everybody shut up and

I wonder the same thing mon.  Try taking in a show 2000+ miles west of the
Stress Coast (east coast that is) if you want quietness.

>    listen for once. I don't know,.. maybe its just NY. But Jerry can't
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Having seen the dead in NY, CT, RI, MA, ME, Colorado, NY is, BY FAR, the
loudest crowd every time.  Maybe all NYers are releasing their pent up
stress, who knows...  

Another observation.  I have several tapes from 71-90 ... many of the
NY ones you can hear the band asking people to take a step back, or mellow
out...  I guess history continues to repeat itself.

The loudness of the Albany show was the FIRST THING deb and I noticed, in
comparision to the show we saw in Denver, CO.  And, when we saw the Denver
show, the quietness was the first thing we noticed compared to the east
coast shows...

If you want quietness Bill, go west mon.

	JC
23.102The old West vs. East controversyGR8FUL::WHITEWithout love in a dream...Tue Apr 02 1991 20:5521
	Speaking as someone who has ween more shows in the Henry J. 
	Kaiser Auditorium than any other single venue, and as someone
	who didn't make an effort to go shows an hour and a half's drive
	from home but who ordered for and hopes to be at Shoreline
	in May -

	West Coast crowds aren't as rowdy as East Cost crowds, but that
	doesn't mean they are quiet.  There's still lots and lots of
	talking and BS'ing during the show.  Very annoying.  I weirded
	out some folks (at Shoreline last June) who were obviously not
	mentally at the show by reminding them that this was a concert 
	and would they mind being quiet.  And to their credit, they 
	generally behaved after that.

	I guess I am way spoiled by going to lots of lovely folk and
	acoustic shows where the audience shuts the f*** up and listens
	to the performer...

	Bob

23.103SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Apr 02 1991 21:0015
re:  <<< Note 23.102 by GR8FUL::WHITE "Without love in a dream..." >>>
>                     -< The old West vs. East controversy >-

>	West Coast crowds aren't as rowdy as East Cost crowds, but that
>	doesn't mean they are quiet.  There's still lots and lots of
>	talking and BS'ing during the show.  Very annoying. 

Yes, it's very annoying when you're trying to enjoy the show.  I have
to admit though that I really appreciate the reduction of "JERRYYYYYYY!!"
yells in west coast shows.  There's nothing worse that can ruin a good
Dew than a "JERRYYYYYY!!" scream 8-).


peace,
t!ng
23.104....STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Tue Apr 02 1991 21:0813
    OK
    
    I'm selling the house
    
    here I come Ting,.. got a job for me?
    
    :-)
    
    							/
    
    PS Thanks people (JC, Bob W., and Ting) for taking away this "Am I all
    alone" feeling. Its nice to hear that someone else still appreciates
    the music over the sound of their own voice(s).
23.105What could possibly happen in Hot'lanta?SHALOT::LAMPSONopportunities in work clothesWed Apr 03 1991 01:2014
23.106East vs. WestBIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow has a beardWed Apr 03 1991 01:3325
	There is no doubt in my mind that I go to the shows for the musical
experience vs. something else.  I really enjoy the music and seeing it live 
is the best it can get.  Sure, you can have a killer stereo playing a boot
loud .. but it just ain't the same.
 
	All throughout the Albany shows, I kept commenting to Deb:  "Get ready,
the NY crowd is about to got nuts!"  Sure enough, everytime, they'd go nuts.
I took a freind from work for the first time to a show.  Right before they
went into Franklins (sunday's show), I told him that the place was about to
go batty... sure enough, the crowd did go nuts.

	I tried not to let the loud crowd bother me.  Instead, I tried my
best to concentrate on the tunes and laugh when the crowd went nuts.  Deb now
knows that I like listening to the music and she'll either wait until the
song is over to tell/ask me something, or ask it quietly and quickly.  I
really anjoyed Denver; noticibly more quiet that NY, especially during
morning dew...

	Bill, sometime, treat yourself to a show out west.  Going to Colorado
is a good start (I've never seen a West coast show)... and, it really does
not cost a whole lot to go out there (rentals are cheap, eating out is cheap,
etc)... and, those COLO DECheads sure love to PARTY !!!  (thanks rfb, john,
divide dave, etc. for a real good time!)

	JC
23.107my 2 centsJUNG::COCHRANThu Apr 04 1991 19:1838
    Well I've been quiet of late, a lot because work is pretty busy - 
    especially when you're commuting from NJ to Nassau for shows!
    
    / I appreciate greatly your comments about people screaming and 
    talking during the Nassau shows - you get to the point where you 
    play "air screams" at times rather than "air guitar"!  I do try 
    to keep the spirit, though it is at times difficult.
    
    I got to see Albany and Nassau, and my favorite two shows were 
    the Thursday night in Nassau and the Sunday night in Albany.  I 
    haven't left a show like the Thursday night Nassau in quite some 
    time - nothing left to do but :-) :-) :-)  The first set was really 
    nice but the second set blew my mind - they had me from start to 
    finish, which is the way I like it and then to come out and do a 
    great Terrapin encore, my cup was full!
    
    Then I went to Friday night - all pumped up and no where to go - 
    boy what a disappointment!  When people cheered for the blown 
    circuitry you really have to wonder, and the number of f***ups 
    during Friday's show just blew my mind.  
    
    A friend who hadn't seen the previous shows was with us on Friday, 
    and I found it so difficult to talk to him during the show because 
    I thought they're playing so badly - I didn't want to ruin his one 
    show.  This may not sound possible but the St. of Circumstance (and 
    I can be pretty forgiving about this because it's such a great tune 
    with lots of wonderful memories) they played Friday was even worse 
    than the one they did in Albany, though I do think the New Speedway 
    was better than in Albany.  
    
    I guess I feel pretty satisfied - two great shows out of six is 
    still fine with me.  At times I must remind myself, even when they 
    play "badly" there still no place else I'd rather be!
    
    Annie  
    
      
    
23.108TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Thu Apr 04 1991 19:2515
    
    Hey Annie!
    
    I'm glad to hear you say that about Thursday Nassau.. I was blown away
    also.. and from most of the replies in here I got the feeling noone
    else thought it was anything special.  Well, they can play like that
    for me anytime!!!  :-)  I'm also glad I couldn't go on Friday.  With
    what I've heard from folks in here, and friends in NY.. I'd much
    rather end my tour with the Thurs. Terrapin! encore.
    
    ps..
    
    I'm PSYCHED for you about Europe!!!  :-)
    
    
23.109long on quality, short on quantity ...BOOKS::BAILEYBSmilin' on a cloudy dayThu Apr 04 1991 20:168
    I thought the Thursday Nassau show was good ... it's just that it was
    so short I was a little disappointed.  Terrapin was a fine encore, but
    it woulda made the show so much sweeter if they coulda stretched it out
    a few more minutes with a nice sweet jam or something.  People are so
    used to long shows I think some of us left kinda feeling shortchanged.
    
    ... Bob
    
23.110TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Apr 05 1991 11:397
    
    Yeah, it was definately short.  I think that bothered you all a lot
    more than it bothered us commuters though.. I was kind of psyched to
    get home early enough to make it in to work with both eyes open on
    Friday. ;-)
    
    
23.111Orlando show...PLEASE!NECSC::LEVYLove is real, not fade awayWed Apr 10 1991 13:367
Please will someone who attended the Orlando shows give me a sense of what it
was like?

A friend of mine was at her first Dead show last night (9-Apr) and I'm dying to
know if it was a good show.  I liked the set list!!!

	~dave
23.112Nice shows, Nice venue, shitty crowd control.SCAM::GRADYtim gradyWed Apr 10 1991 15:2841
    Hi Dave,
    
    I went to all three shows.  IMHO, Monday was the hottest of the three,
    but then I've been known to be 'different' in the past.  Last night
    featured a very nice China/Rider.  Must Have Been the Roses was neat to
    hear too, and they finally did The Other One (Cryptical?), after
    doodling with it during space for the past few shows.
    
    I'd be curious to hear how your friend enjoyed the show.
    
    The Orlando Arena is a gorgeous venue.  Lots of space in the concourse
    area as well as above the floor level seating.  It's also brand new,
    and well kept.  I had a real problem with the staff people, though, and
    I didn't even have any kind of conflict with them.  On Sunday night,
    they were so tight letting people past the outside barracade before
    taking our tickets, they were all but frisking us.  They also didn't
    have enough lines, so it took forever to get in.  Then, once inside and
    the show begun, they couldn't handle the crowd.  They had no clue as to
    how to keep the aisles clear, and they basically didn't know what they
    were doing.  Monday they had more people, more lines and more
    organization, but by Tuesday they were outright obnoxious.  Last night,
    sitting in my own ticketted seat (seventh row or so), I had one
    particularly rude *sshole ask to see my stub fourteen times.  He
    harassed and terrorized everyone around him - not just people hanging
    in the aisles, but also people six or eight seats into the rows. 
    Just before intermission, he was trying to stub and reseat our whole
    section, only to then have the lights come up and everyone left. :-)
    
    The man was rude, obnoxious, unnecessarily agressive and physically
    abusive.  And he was a supervisor!  Can you tell I'm pissed?
    
    I'm thinking of writing a letter, but this jerk didn't have any
    identification except his blue security shirt that said 'Jack' on it.
    He was the only one I saw that didn't have a number on his shirt.
    
    I think that sometimes the problems at a venue can be self-induced. 
    Orlando needs to go down the street to Disney and learn more about
    crowd control.
    
    tim
    
23.113CLOSUS::BARNESWed Apr 10 1991 22:126
    I saw the same things in Denver tim, but afterthe first nite they
    mellowed a bit...one guy asked me why I wasn't on the floor where
    I belonged...I said "Too hot, man"...he looked around and said "OK,
    dance over there". that was the 2nd nite...the first nite I saw
    "THEM " beat some guy on the floor for not supposed to be there.
                                                                    rfb
23.114Oh well, maybe things'll be better next timeSCAM::GRADYtim gradyThu Apr 11 1991 12:3621
    Yea, rfb, I remember Denver started out kinda hostile.  Orlando started
    out with security virgins, and ended up rather nasty.
    
    Still, Monday night was a hot show, no matter what security did.  I
    don't enjoy squirming through over-crowded aisles, and I can certainly
    see where it's a fire hazard. But this one blue-shirt jerk pushed past
    me and three other people to drag the guy next to me out into the
    aisle, take his camera (no flash), open it and rip out the film.
    
    I still may write that letter.  We did spend a little time talking with
    some of the other security people after the show, and for the most part
    they were pretty mellow - I think they got a little nervous when they
    got overrun by the hordes on Sunday night.  We offered to 'advise' them
    on security (vs. terrorism) for the next shows -- hopefully soon.  They
    definitely had the impression that we'd be back, maybe next year!!
    
    tim
    
    
    tim
    
23.115SA1794::GLADUGFri Apr 12 1991 14:2325
    The Orlando Arena is now one of my favorite places to see the band.
    It's intimate for it's capacity (~15K) and the acoustics are pretty
    good. Unlike Tim, I had no problems with security. The parking lot
    scene was loose and there was plenty of vending. Outside there were
    fountains, a lake and palm trees everywhere. A really pleasant site.
    Deadheads were well received by the locals and the press.
    
    The shows were so-so with monday, 4/8 being the best of the three. They
    had technical problems with Bob's transmitter - it would crackle every
    now and then. Probably due to radio interference from the FBI building
    2 blocks away. :-) Hornsby was there but the rest of the band blew him
    away. He had a noticably hard time trying to keep up with them.
    
    Bummer of the run was someone drowned in the lake out front when he
    and 2 of his friends were attempting to shoot up through the middle
    of one of the fountains. He got stuck under the plumbing and it took
    about 1/2 hour to extract him. I expected a lot of ranting from the
    media about this but it didn't happen. 
    
    All in all, Orlando is a great place to see the band but can be
    expensive if you do the MGM/Disney/Epcot/Cape Canaveral bit like
    we did. My friends and I are already making plans to go back should
    they ever return. 
    
    Gerry
23.116VEGA$ 4/27-28SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Apr 29 1991 18:19109
Vegas turned out to be quite an adventure.  We got to the airport a couple
of minutes late and ended up missing our plane Friday night, and knowing
that the next 2 flights were sold out did lots to add to the stress factor.
We had no luck getting on the next plane, altough we *did* get to visit 
with some friends in the terminal who were on the flight 8-).  We waited
around a couple more hours for the last flight out (if we didn't make it
on this one, we were going to hit the road -> not a pleasant thought).
It turned out we knew about 1/2 the plane on this flight 8-), so all our
friends crossed their fingers for us and kept saying they'll see us in a
couple of minutes *on* the plane.  Well, all that good vibes did the trick,
and we were called up to board 8->!!  After we got on, they called a few
people off that got on on standby since some of the regular passengers
showed up at the last minute.  Boy, were we sweating 8-/.  I felt better
once the plane pulled out of the terminal (WHEW!!)  I think that incident
probably made my lifespan a few days shorter 8-/.  But we were glad we
ended up on *that* flight since it was like having a private party in the
air with all your friends on board -> it was fun!!  Even the non-Deadheads
on board were having fun and said they wish they were going to the concerts
too 8-).

The show Saturday ws the better of the two.  Santana opener was just fine,
to say the least 8-).  He played a couple of riffs from Schoolgirl which
psyched up some of us, but he didn't keep going and went into something
else instead 8-(.  I'm sure I wasn't the only one that was hoping he'd
pick it up again during the Dead set, but no such luck 8-( (well, at 
least I caught it in Calaveras).  First set was good.  They had a lot of
sound problems during Touch of Grey.  Maggie's Farm featured the multi-solos
again with Bobby on first, then Jerry, then Bruce (yes, Bruce Hornsy played
at both of these shows), then Vince, then Phil (with lots of cheering when
Phil got on 8-)  Loose Lucy was better than the other one's I've caught.
Might as Well was a definite highlight!!  I'll take a Might as Well over
Don't Ease anyday.  Thet're both one-riff tunes, but MAW just has so much
more to offer, IMHO.

Second set was heavy!!  Sugar Mag was sweeeet into a nice looong Scarlet ->
Fire (Jerry got all the words mixed up).  It was just one long jam after
another with Playin' -> Uncle John's being no exception 8-).  Even Black
Peter was just heavy!!  When you hear a Black Peter like this one, you
can really feel how much Jerry really likes this tune!!  Saturday Night
was ...well, Saturday Night 8-).  It rocked, and I can see some of the
security folks rocking out too.  The Weight was nice and always a welcome
encore 8-).

Saturday night, we hit the casinos (what else).  We stopped off at the
Excalibur Hotel and Casino to meet some friends.  People looked kind of
taken back by all the tie-dyes.  I lost a grand total of $4 (I guess I
was one of the "lucky" ones 8-/ ).  The Excalibur was quite a trip.
It was shaped like a castle on the outside.  When you enter, you get
wafted in by an automatic walkway (I notice they don't have an automatic
walkway going out) and a loud dramatic voice comes out of the loudspeaker
saying "WWWWELCOME TO THE EXXXXXXXXXXX-CALIBURRRRRRRR!!".  I felt like
I was in Disneyland.  It looked like Disneyland inside too.  I thought
the tie-dyes blended in nicely with the medieval costumes and the suits
and the pattern on the carpet (the trippiest you can imagine ;-).  It
was pretty wild.  The local stations made a big deal out of the Dead being
in town.  A couple of stations made Saturday Night the "Night of the Living
Dead" 8-).  It's nice to be able to flip between channels and get a string
of Dead tunes.

Sunday, we went in early to get a spot.  The weather was just beautiful.
It was 80's with a 45 mph wind outside the stadium both days.  Inside,
there was no wind, so it got hot.  The venue was well equipped though
for the weather with drinking water stations and showers provided. 
There was also people walking around selling sodas and flavored ice.

Carlos came on for a sweet opener again.  He deadicated a tune to the
memory of Stevie Ray Vaughn.  Before the show started, Bill Graham
came on and welcomed everyone to Las Vegas again (like the first night)
and told us about the proper etiquette so we will be welcomed back in
the future.  He also mentioned an incident where he was at a restaurant
or casino and was talking to a waitress.  The waitress asked him where
all these tie-dyed folks came from, and the only thing he can think of
to say is "They're...well..from EVERYWHERE".  8-)  Sunday's first set
was nice.  I liked it better than the first night's.  Wang Dang Doodle
is one of my favorite Bobby tunes (yes, I *do* like a few Bobby tunes
8-).  And Althea!!  I don't think anyone other than Jerry can do Althea
such justice!!  8-) (but it'd certainly be interesting to see another
artist try to do it).  And Birdsong was such a treat with Carlos playing
along (once they turned him up, that is).  The whole band was grinning
from ear to ear and all looking at Carlos during one of those famous
inspired Carlos jams (they seemed pretty psyched).  Just incredible!!

Second set started off with the sound of dropping coins (like someone's
playing a slot machine backstage 8-).  Then the band came on with 
Foolish Heart.  Saint was nice (when *will* they bring back Lost
Sailor??)  The highlight was Deal!!  It was characterized by heavy jams
like the second set of the first night.  Some guy jumped on stage (quite
a feat considering it was 10 feet high), and was promptly escorted off
by Harry.  We started out after Deal 8-(.  It was the first time I ever
walked out of a Dead show.  We had to catch the last flight out.  From
talking to our friends this morning, it didn't seem like we missed too
much.  I *would've* liked to see the Box of Rain encore, but just because
it'd be different.  We weren't about to miss another flight though 8-}.
As it turned out, it was worth it to catch that flight out.  Carlos and
the rest of the band caught the same flight out too 8->!!  They sat in
coach with the rest of us.  We caught up to Carlos when we landed in San
Francisco and thanked him for the music.  I gave him another "No Time to
Hate" button (I gave him one at a Miles Davis show once before when we
saw him in the audience).  He looked at it and said, "Oh, *you're* the
one that's responsible for this."  and he promptly showed off his button
to the rest of the band 8-).  I also gave him a bunch of stickers (wonder
where he's gonna stick 'em 8-).  Was I nervous??  Hell, yes!!  Did it stop
me??  Heck, no!!  8-)  Maybe I should've invited him up for dinner 8-).
He's so down-to-earth and so easy to talk to 8-).

Ok, a few long days before Cal Expo.  I can't wait!!

peace,
t!ng
23.117a savage journey into the heart of a DEAD dreamCLOSUS::BARNESWed May 01 1991 16:5287
    Just GOTTA put this in.....want a long strange trip to Vegas!!!
    Thursady morning I talked my sweetie, Patty, into going to Vegas!
    Left COlo Thursday nite, BIG storm over Vail Pass, esp. with T.
    Lawlors one-headlite jeep! Stayed the nite in Grand Junction Colo.
    with other heads. Got up early Fri and hit another bad storm in
    Utah in the Fishlake Nat. forest....deadheads were runnin off the
    road left and right, but since no one was going over 30, it was
    easy to just motor back onto the highway. Gas stations in the middle
    of mowhere in Utah were FUNNY! Attendants conversation went something
    like this   "HEll, I wuz gonna take the rest of the day off! Where
    the hell did all these people come from lookin like this?? Who the
    hell is the dead? I heard of Santana, but never headrd of the dead."
    They noticed me laughing at them and the conversation became a huddle,
    so I exited stage right....back on the road with all the other colo
    and calif heads....heads at every rest stop...pulled into vegas
    bone tired. Hooked up with my sistr and bro-in-law who have lived
    in Vegas 15 years, ate, partyed, crashed.....
    
    Patty and I had a sat. tic and a Sun. tic...so we arrived at the
    Silver Bowl at 8AM Sat to search for tickets....just in time for
    one of the worst sand storms any local could remember in a LONG
    time!! we were standing on the road holding up our fingers like
    all good deadheads were, the wind whipping at our faces, legs, filling
    our ears and eyes and hair with Vegas desert..I was holding patty
    in my arms trying to shelter her thinking, "one hour more and we
    blow this OFF!" traded my sat for a sun so we were both in sun.
    This head walks up to us, says nothing, starts taking his shirt
    off, hands it to Patty and walks away...never said a word. You should
    seen the smile it put on Patty's face!!!! WE WERE BEING SLOWLY WHIPPED
    TO DEATH by he wind and this guy saved us! THEN! a van drove buy
    with other friends of ours from Colo in it...another life saver!!!
    We jumped in and procedded to the parking lot. Found a scalper with
    a fist full of tiks for $40.00 each....lost him for a half hour,
    found him again...he had 2 tiks left...my karma said "they MUST
    be yours!" I'd a just spent that money on gambleing anywaqy!!!
    
    So WE WERE IN!!! Carlos was good sat. the last 2 songs were ROCKIN!!
    the boyz ToG opener was a little lame, I didn't think it picked
    up until Maggies. Loose Lucy was GRATE!!! I liked Cassidy and MAW
    WAS A KILLER!!!! and fit right into the Vegas (and my) mentality
    for the weekend. The second set was...what can I say!!!!!
                        %^)   :^)    ;^)
    Sugar MAg, Scarlet, Fire PLAYIN, UJB... ALL had long jams...
    The rest of the set was rockin too! the yellow shirts were out in
    the crowd DANCIN with us!! (I don't think they REALLY could believe
    it!) we set with  the tapers a most of Sat, they were all REALLY
    cool! Many were from down the road in Colo somewhere. We stayed
    in the parking lot until they threw us out....FUN TIME!!!
    Mexican food and bed was all I could handle that evening.
    
    Sunday was a GORGEOUS DAY!!  Went late, got seats up high this time
    and BOOGIED ALL DAY!!!! The first set was good, but long stops between
    each song.Jack Straw and Althea did it for me %^) BIDSONG WITH CARLOS
    WAS GRATE! Set 2 was good too. Crazy Fingers and the Other one were
    favs for me. SUNSHINE DAYDREAM was really good too. We missed the
    space that had Frank Sinatra mixed in with slot sounds (eating)
    I'd had enough of Frank during the 45 min intermission anyway !
    BOX was grate!! During intermission some one 'bout 20 rows in front
    of us stared a marshmellow fight (there's a MM factory in Vegas)
    soon half the stadium was involved!!! TOO FUNNY!! Security had a
    grate time pelting the heads with marshmellows and viceversa. 
    Parking lot party again afterwardas. HIGHLIGHT!!!---->THE FULL MOON!
    Picture 30,000 heads alll howling like wolves at the moon in a vegas
    desert!!!!! The cops were cracking up!!!!
    Too tired for the strip again Sunday nite...my nephew and Bro-in-law
    said they'd never seen anything like it in 15 years!
    Got up monday and went site seeing, ;lake mead, Excaliber (still
    lots of heads) then that nite I went and lost all my money like
    a foolish heart! Stayed up till like 3 gambling and drinking and
    eating. Left early Tuesday for a 14 hour drive back to colo.
    
    All in all it was a grate time.........my next shot will be the
    Jerry shows and red rocks and then DENVER
    Sure wish I'd I won some bucks!!!!!!!
    
    rfb                                                     
    
    
    
                                                  
    
    
    Went to ENZOS pizza, the dude was from San Fran and wanted a shirt!
    but he was about 300 lbs heavier than me, so my medium TEL0
    
    
    
23.118HUG A MARSHMALLOW!! 8-)SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed May 01 1991 18:1015
                      <<< Note 23.117 by CLOSUS::BARNES >>>

>    BOX was grate!! During intermission some one 'bout 20 rows in front
>    of us stared a marshmellow fight (there's a MM factory in Vegas)
>    soon half the stadium was involved!!! TOO FUNNY!! Security had a
>    grate time pelting the heads with marshmellows and viceversa. 

DARN!! I missed the marshmallow fight Sunday!!  8-)  They had one on
the floor during intermission on Saturday too.  We started throwing
around pieces of bread for ammunition.  Boy, that was great!!  Someone
wacked me real good on the side of the head with one.  I was so glad
the marshmallows were not melted 8-0.

peace,
t!ng
23.119TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Wed May 01 1991 18:124
    
    Remember the marshmallow fight at SPAC?  :-)
    
    
23.120Good thing New Potato Caboose didn't follow ;-)FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Wed May 01 1991 18:1313
re:          <<< Note 23.118 by SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!" >>>
>                      <<< Note 23.117 by CLOSUS::BARNES >>>
>
>>    BOX was grate!! During intermission some one 'bout 20 rows in front
>>    of us stared a marshmellow fight (there's a MM factory in Vegas)
>DARN!! I missed the marshmallow fight Sunday!!  8-)  They had one on


aka Cream Puff War ;-)   I remember engaging in one at SPAC in '85,
it was one of the most hilarious, electrifying experiences in recent memory *-)

Happy Trails,
Ken ;-)
23.121great show too!FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Wed May 01 1991 18:157
re: Phyllis

	Notes Collision! ;-)   I sure do!  We were in the lawn on the right,
	about 100 feet back.  Howsabout you ?   Was the whole place engaged
	in a Cream Puff War ??  ;-)

	Ken
23.122TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Wed May 01 1991 18:226
    
    We were on the lawn, not too far back, but towards the left. 
    Near where the left ramp is I think.   Definately a Cream Puff War! 
    :-)  I've had a blast at every SPAC show..
    
    
23.123jonesin' for more info...STRATA::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryMon May 06 1991 13:284
    anyone have any review information for this weekends shows???  hmmm????
    nice looking set lists...  i'd like to hear more!
    
    				da ve
23.124Second HandWLDWST::BLAKKANLet it shine.Tue May 07 1991 08:0312
    I heard they were great.   Maybe it enough people plead, someone
    will post a review.  Looking over the set lists, I felt I missed
    three outstanding shows in Sacramento.  People I talked to who 
    attended, spoke of the continuation of the marshmellow attacks
    and the fun that could be had watching the reactions of deadheads
    at Denny's resturaunt as they discovered Bob Weir was sitting
    nearby.
    
    If you saw Bob Weir at Denny's after a show, what would you
    say to him?  What do you think he would say?  Please reply in
    the digressions topic.
    
23.125SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue May 07 1991 16:4336
re:  <<< Note 23.124 by WLDWST::BLAKKAN "Let it shine." >>>

>    attended, spoke of the continuation of the marshmellow attacks
>    and the fun that could be had watching the reactions of deadheads
>    at Denny's resturaunt as they discovered Bob Weir was sitting
>    nearby.
>    
>    If you saw Bob Weir at Denny's after a show, what would you
>    say to him?  What do you think he would say?  Please reply in
>    the digressions topic.
    
Hey, Ken!!  You weren't supposed to tell!!  We saw Bobby at the Denny's
in Placerville after the Sunday Sac show.  Did I say anything to him??
No.  I couldn't think of anything intelligent to say to Bobby 8-/.  I
thought about asking him if I can get my picture taken with him and a
Denny's menu (but I'm glad I didn't).  He was with his girlfriend (?)
and a bunch of people that looked like they were fresh out of a college
frat (only one of them even remotely resembled a deadhead (ponytail).
We could not for the world figure out who these people are and what the
heck Bobby is doing in a Denny's in Placerville.  We saw some heads
walk in and sat down close by, and the looks on their faces were just
hilarious when they saw Bobby when he turned his head looking for a
waitress (it was first a look of recognition, then surprise, and then
a bit of confusion before the reality of the situation sat in).  We
were waiting sround to see who would be the first head with the gall
to go up to him and say AHA!!  8->!!  (no one did while we were there)
I think it'd be different if it was Jerry, but what the heck does anyone
have to say to Bobby (especially after he messed up the words to Throwing
Stones, for God's sake!!  It's not like he didn't get enough practice on
that song, ya know)??  I mean, really, what would you say??

peace,
t!ng

p.s.  Sorry I haven't had time to put together a review, but I'll write
      one up tonight (if I get my lab done).
23.126WLDWST::BLAKKANLet it shine.Mon May 13 1991 05:538
     From the crowd noise, Sunday, after the last notes of
    'It Takes a Lot...,' "Play anything!"  
    
    I sure wish for tapes of this weekend's shows.
    
    KenB
    
    
23.127Mother's Day '91SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon May 13 1991 15:4962
Yes, the only thing I can say about Sunday's show is it's the hottest of
the tour and the HOTTEST OF THE YEAR!!  The show was just *incredible* from
the first note to the last!!!  Picasso Moon opener was great!!  They really
improved on this tune since its conception.  Althea was sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!!
CC Rider was really good (I was glad that I hadn't heard it in a while ->
it really builds up the appreciation -> I guess I would probably react the
same way if they ever bring back Day Job 8-).  The segue from CC Rider into
It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry was smooth to the point of
imperceptible.   What a treat!!  The last time they played this was 6/10/73
with the Allman Brothers.  Jerry can do Dylan tunes in my book anyday!! 8-)
YOWZA!!!  Well, Bobby wasn't going to be outdone.  He whips out El Paso ->
one of my all time favorites!!  They've been practicing!!  It was well-played.
High Time was well...high and flying!!!  Hey now, I guess when Jerry and 
Bobby really wants to outdo each other, they *really* try pretty hard!! No
complains from this gal!!  8-)  I love it!!  Black Throated Wind was just
long overdued!!  I've been holding my breath for this since they brought
it back.  Thank you, Bobby!!  (I don't think I've ever said this in my life
8-).  And Deal just burn!!  It was hotter than the one in Las Vegas!!!  The
jam was long, loud, and although at times cacophonous, it slides and
blends nicely as only an incredibly-inspired Deal jam can get.  Beautiful
and the perfect closer to the perfect set!!  I think I had melted from CC
Rider on.  Time to gather my brains for the second set (good thing I had
about 45 minutes to do it 8-).

The second set started out just too sweet with a beautiful Help -> Slip! ->
Franklin.  Perfect!!  Looks like Rain looked like a good time to rest my
weary bones 8-).  And Terrapin!!  Again, the musical crescendos built and
bursted, reminiscent of the splendor of a national anthem (yes, a Dead
national anthem ;-)  Drums was great.  I thought Bill seemed to be the
prominent player this time -> he was going nuts on those drums!!  It must
be that fever that had been spreading throughout Shoreline all night 8-).
Now, what can they pull out to just top it off.  GDTRFB seemed like an
excellent choice, except they *knew* that most of us was going to be going
down the road feeling great!!  8-)  I refuse to review another Throwing
Stones, so you can just use your imagination 8-).  Lovelight was alright.

The Weight encore left us smiling (not that we've ever stopped).  The band
traded off verses again.  There were lots of cheering when it got around to
Phil's turn.  Bruce was sitting in with them again.  He and Vince play well
together.  I notice that they switched instruments during Space for the
Friday show.  I guess Space is as good a time as any to try it out.
They switched back when the latter-space set started though.  All in all,
the Sunday show was very inspired.  I guess that when Bobby gets psyched,
he really does a great job.  I just hope he gets psyched more often 8-).
After this show, it seems rather pointless for me to review the other shows
of the tour, so I'll leave that job to someone else.

The scene was very mellow.  As soon as we walked through the entrance, a
blue coat handed me a bundle of flowers to celebrate Mother's Day.  They
had boxes of flowers near the entrance to hand out to everybody.  I don't
know who thought of it, but it sure made all the moms and some of us
non-moms feel special!!  There were vending booths everywhere.  It was a
regular carnival or a Dead Mall 8-).  Being the only place that official
vending was allowed, it seemed all the vendors were bursting with merchandise
to sell, and all the buyers were just bursting with the will to buy.  I
really do miss the vending scene.

What a way to end the tour.  Eight shows in 3 weekends can really wear
you down.  Maybe I'm just getting old...8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.128OWOWWLDWST::BLAKKANLet it shine.Tue May 14 1991 12:1737
    Sunday's show was very, very, very, good.  I feel like 
    I want to write about how it was, but I'd say the Dead did 
    something with the music and the lyrics forgot.
    
    When they started 'It Takes a Lot...' I had to ask
    the person standing next to me, "What's this?" I love
    it when that happens!
    
    Saturday, Bruce and Jerry cudaben driving each other nuts.
    I'm not familiar with the musical terms, but it seemed
    like they were dancing around two chords at once.  Parts
    of one chord, parts of another.  I think Jerry was 
    teaching Bruce.  Bruce kept rolling his eyes around
    as if he was saying, "How did we do that." 
    
    [when was the last time they opened the 2nd set with OMSN?]
    saturdat's sho was ok, but it seemed like they were
    ready to let loose and never did.  I thoroughly enjoyed
    the encore though... 
    
    Quinn, seemed short, but hot.  Definately felt like a forshadowing
    of Sunday's show.
    
    Sunday, I felt there was nothing wrong with the 1st set.
    
    After LLR, Jerry put his head down and... 
    Terrapin went on and on and on and on and on...
    It was great!  At one point, Phil, Bob and Jerry
    were on one side, plucking their hearts out,
    and Mickey, Vince and Bruce were on the other,
    pounding tomorrow.  
    
    Before that, Bill kept the boys going with some
    lonely drumwork that I didn't know he could do
    and must have suprised a few other folks in the house. 
    
    
23.129only a little of what I could say .....LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsWed May 15 1991 20:2068
23.130SA1794::GLADUGTue May 21 1991 19:297
re:       <<< Note 63.14 by DASXPS::HENDERSON "Seems a common way to go" >>>

>Anybody have a Bobby/Rob setlist from last night (Houston)?

    See 63.12, chances are he pretty much played the exact same set. :-/
    
    - Ger
23.131SA1794::GLADUGTue Jun 04 1991 14:528
    Someone asked if Hornsby played in LA with the Dead. I though it might
    have been in this note, but of course, that would be too logical. :-)
    
    The answer is, yessereebob (as opposed to yessereedave ;-), he did
    play. I haven't read my rumor mail lately so I don't know what shows,
    if any, he'll be doing on the summer tour.
    
    Ger_who's_still_waiting_for_word_on_his_Denver_tix.
23.132TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Jun 07 1991 11:5513
    
    
    >   Loomis says they played Big Railroad Blues, not Big River, and that
    >   the last Railroad Blues was Albany, 1990.
    
    I would be sooooooooooooo psyched if they played Big Railroad!!  Is it
    true???
    
    It's definately been a long time since I heard that.  I would've said
    more than a year ago, but if they played it in Albany last year I guess
    I heard it then.
    
    
23.133LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeThu Jun 13 1991 14:5517
6/12/91 - Charlotte Coliseum, Charlotte, NC

Feel Like A Stranger, Pretty Peggy-O, C.C. Rider, Althea
Desolation Row, Loose Lucy, Hell In A Bucket-> Don't Ease Me In
 
Touch Of Grey-> Saint Of Circumstance Ship Of Fools
Man Smart, Woman Smarter-> DRUMS-> SPACE-> Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad->
All Along The Watchtower-> Morning Dew.  E: Brokedown Palace
 
owow this looks like it was a GRATE show!
love it all except for i'm sure a lot of fols were looking for lost sailor
......

whew!
bob
so if any of you all went - how was it?

23.134WOwSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Thu Jun 13 1991 17:2310
    Was anyone at the 6/11 (?) show where they opened the second set
    with Victim->Jam->Eyes
    
    	I'm just real curious if those '->'s really belong there or not,,
    	and if they really didi transition from Victim->Eyes (via jam of
    	course) Musically speaking,.. I'd be real interested to hear how
    they pulled that one off. Any opinions?
    
    							/
    
23.135RAISE::GLADUSun Jun 16 1991 19:445
    it should be noted that the 6/14 Dark Star was only the 1st half
    of the song. Perhaps they'll finish it at Giants.
    
    - Ger_who's_at_work_today_tweeking_databases_whilst_the_Users_From_
      Hell_(tm)_aren't_around.
23.136what happend last night at GIANTSLANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeMon Jun 17 1991 13:167
how was last night's GIANTS STADIUM show???

anybody have the scoop - was their weather like ours....drizzly, foggy
and cool.

bob

23.137They must'v saved Eyes for Giants Stadium!EBBV03::SMITHMon Jun 17 1991 13:5140
                          
            RFK Stadium-6/14/91
      
            Cold Rain+Snow                    Help On The Way
            Jack A Roe                        Slipknot
            Big River                         Franklins Tower
            Maggies Farm                      Estimated Prophet
            Row Jimmy                         Dark Star
            Black Throated Wind               Drums 
            Tennessee Jed                     Space
            Music Never Stopped               Stella Blue
                                              Lovelight
    
    w/ Bruce Horsby                                          Baby Blue
                                               
             
             Very hot show!!!
             Cold Rain and Snow was quiet but good, Wang Dang Doodle was
    great especially Vince's heavy Hammond organ sound, Big River was
    interrupted by multiple charges on the floor as well as Maggies farm.
    Row Jimmy was fine but I am getting sick of it. Black Throated truely
    was unbelievable, best I've ever heard!!! During Tennessee Jed the
    whole place was shaking and it was visible by the way the light posts
    were bouncing, the boys wouldn't leave the stage!!! I couldn't believe
    they stayed on to do the most rippin Music Never Stopped that sent the 
    taping section into kaos because of the length of this first set.
    Second set brought an expected Help/ Slip / Frank. Slipknot was truely
    tied up tonight, a slow and spacey version with Bruce's well timed
    Keyboarding. Estimated caught me off guard all on it's own and then a
    short and unexpected Dark Star that they couldn't let go for a long jam
    into Drums. I then noticed that Jerry's shirt was light blue and to
    back this up Space- Stella Blue!! I shed a few tears on this one, it
    was so beautiful, Jerry's voice is good and not too worn out this tour.
    Lovelight was great, we all grasped the moment as the song climaxed and
    ended... but wait...they are playing Lovelight again and ending it
    again....Did it even end the first time???? I guess I got to get a
    tape!!! Baby Blue was the color of Jerry's shirt and with Bruce on
    accordian they closed with this Dylan classic as I could personally
    relate to it's lyrics from some recent experiences. Thanks Boys for
    a heartwarming adventure.
23.138DECXPS::HENDERSONGot some things to talk aboutMon Jun 17 1991 13:558
I don't have the scoop on the show, but from what I understand the weather
was HOT...90's, and according to the weather channel thunderstorms in the
area.



Jim
23.140LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsMon Jun 17 1991 16:166

Phyllis called at lunch and said they wished they had rain at Giant's, it
was hot and humid (I know someone else also said this a couple of replies
back but I thought I'd lend it some credibility!)  :-)

23.141TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Tue Jun 18 1991 18:3161
    
    Well, here's a short review of the Giants showz.  First off.. I managed
    to have fun! :-)  AND stay dry on Monday (no small feat!)  Wish it had
    rained a little on Sunday.. we were HOT!  Someone was constantly
    running up the steps to the fountain to refill the spritzers.  (Folks
    in our section were very psyched to be sitting behind us! ;-))
    Sunday night almost everyone I knew ended up in section 111!  We had 3
    seats in the 4th row, 5 in the 14th, 3 or 4 in the 18th and 5 in the
    36th!  Lots of fun just walking up and back!  Both shows had lots of
    strong points.. Sunday night's 2nd set Jack STraw, Crazy Fingers, China
    Rider was a blistering combo.. grins all around.  I heard lots of China
    Doll in the space but got a Miracle instead so needless to say I was
    pretty psyched when it showed up on Monday.  The Eyes to open the show
    last night was simply beautiful!  About 20 minutes long.. made you
    forget where you were.. when Walkin' Blues came next I was like ..oh
    yeah - this is first set. :-)  Another hot hot Loose Lucy although I
    was a little disappointed since I was hoping for the Big Railroad and
    knew that was the slot for it.  Might as well!!  Might as well!!  
    Might as well!! Might as well!! Might as well!! Might as well!! :-) :-)
    :-)  
    
    The stage set up was really beautiful and they kept flashing and
    holding these cool pictures of people on the sheets themselves (below
    the video screens) like Janis and some others.  The borders were all
    held up by this metal arc (sort of) that encircled the band that was
    lit in rainbow lights.. nice!  The best stage prop, though, was the fan
    blowing on Jerry.  Made all his hair blow out from his head (straight
    out!) all night long.  "Look! The Flying Nun!"  "No.. I think it's
    Bozo!"  :-)  
    
    Thanks to Eddie on the net for setting up the 18E mtg place.  It was a
    perfect spot for us (near Gate D which is where NYC busses come in) and
    made for an easy reference point for a lot of my friends to meet also.
    Unfortunately, didn't get too see too many DECheads - only 1 in fact
    (Adam!).. where were you all, huh?? ;-)
    
    They fiddled around with finishing up the Dark Star from RFK here and
    there both nights so anyone bound for Pine Knob should look for it.
    
    I didn't see any hassles w/security and there was a lot of vending, but
    I was also in the same area both nights and don't know what went on on
    the other side.
    
    One thing that could be improved on.. if they're gonna have an opener,
    they should start earlier.. like 5:00.  These shows were late!  Over
    around 12:30 both nights.  Last night we booked out of there.. To the
    bus.. sit up front.. grab a cab... and still, I couldn't make it to bed
    before 1:38 and NYC is about as close to the Meadowlands as anyone
    gets.  
    
    Giants Stadium tip for the day:  If you are parked at Gate D.. DO NOT
    go out Gate A.. JUST DON'T DO IT!  NOT EVEN IF THEY MAKE YOU!  (Sunday
    night we got home at 3:00am! partially due to the
    Gate_A_error_from_hell_;-)
    
    *yawn* only another couple hours before I can go to sleep!
    
    the boyz sound grate!  Start saving those $ for fall mailorder..
    
    :-) Phyllis
    
23.142Giants Stadium: June 16, 1991BIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow does not have a beardTue Jun 18 1991 18:46106
Giants Stadium, June 16, 1991


	As we journeyed from Littleton, MA to East Rutherford, NJ the humidity
and temperature went up in equal respect to the mileage we traveled.  We
arrived on the scene around 3:30 pm and chose a parking space near one of
the exits.  We had a drink then shoved off into the sea of deadheads under
the hot, 100 degree New Jersey sun.

	The vending scene was rather minimal for the amount of people present.
Not too many folks selling t-shirts.  Many folks were selling cold beverages
and occasionally people were selling food.  I did notice teams of "blue shirts"
going around taking away goods from the "bigger time" vending folks.  I did 
not see anyone get hassled for selling beer or food.

	Just before 5:30 pm, the clouds were starting to thicken.  People were
praying for rain to fall to cool things down.  You could see lightning in the
distance (people cheered as hit pelted the land) and hear thunder echoing
through the land.  We went into the Stadium early, around 5:50.  They were not
letting anyone on the floor, where our seats were located, because if the
storm (lightning threat?).  We had to get wristbands for the floor.

	So, Deb and I went upstairs and managed our way into section 123 to
wait and watch Little Feat.  Little feat started out sort of rough.  The
sound was not quite right and at times, it seemed like the band was not
together.  After 3 or 4 songs, they finally got it together and started putting
out some rock 'n' roll.  I was hoping for Willin', and I got it.  Deb was
hoping for Fat Man in the Bathtub, and she got it.  After a brief pause,
Little Feat came out and did Dixie Chicken for the encore.  Chicken ended
up being very nice -- excellent trumpet solo at one point.  

	After Feat, we took to the bathroom and then headed to the floor,
section 12, row 2, seats 4-5.  These were on the Jerry side close to the
railings.  Not bad seats.  After about 1 hour, the boyz finally hit the
stage with Picasso Moon.  The video really added to the show.  You could
see Bobby literally spittin' out the lyrics!  Then, Bertha.  Heally was
off in space because more than half of Jerry's solo was not audible.  The
video of Jerry singing was very amusing!!  Apparently, there was a large
fan on the floor blowing at the boyz to keep them cool.  Well, with Jerry's
silver hair as long as it is, the fan blew the hair outwards!  He kind of
looked like bozo the clown!  It was really funny looking, and, it looked
like he was keeping cool.

	Rooster was just ok.  Candyman was good -- the crowd noise during this
Jerry song was loud compared to shows I've seen in the West.  Memphis blues
was just ok.  Stagger Lee was very good.  I thought they would end the set
here.  I was happy to observe the boys trying to figure out what the play
next rather than exiting the stage.  I started to hear hints of Let it Grow
and finally it became reality.  Jerry really, really jammed on this one. 
At one point, I think Hornsby kind of messed up by playing the wrong part
of the song during Jerry's jam.  Finally, the quiet part of the song came
and and re-builded as Bobby's lyrics belted out "What shall we say...".


	After a bit of a break, the boyz were back on stage.  During tuneup,
I heard hints of Jack Straw but discounted them because Jack Straw is
mostly heard in first sets.  Despite my thoughts, out came Jack Straw.  
The video fired up and draw a picture of a 'new' american flag.  Basically,
the same colors, except in place of the stars was a SYF (I think).  Then,
"Grateful Dead" was spelled out across the flag in two lines using bones.
The crowd really appreciated this and I mentioned to Deb how ironic it would
be if the Dead were to "save the world" and change our flag.  Great job on
the video!!  Since this was Hornsby's tune on Deadicated, we could expect 
some good stuff.  They finally got the vocal changes under control:  bobby, 
jerry, bruce, bobby, etc.  or something like that.  The "pump" in this song 
was delivered very effectively.  Crazy Fingers was nice, but, the crowd noise 
made it difficult to enjoy thoroughly.  I figured that we may get a 
China->Rider, but after Crazy Fingers, I was thinking more along the lines 
of a nice Playing->UJB.  Well, we got the China->Rider.  China was ok, 
Rider was better.  Some great jamming...

	Drums.  The video made drums, if you were straight or not straight.  
Drums was long and well done.  The video portrayed scenes of the rain 
forest: monkeys in trees, snakes in the river, various birds and other 
creatures living in harmony in the rain forest.  Then, pictures of destruction
were shown.  First the axe, then the chain saw, then skidders (log haulers),
then trucks taking away the logs, and finally, the remains burning.  What was
once lush and peaceful was now destroyed.  VERY POIGNANT VIDEO.  Literally
sent chills down my body in the 100 degree heat.  Very sad.  Crowd cheered,
but I can't guess why.  Portrayed Mikey Hart as an angry man trying to solve
a difficult problem.

	Space continued the scenes of a destroyed rain forest and eventually
changed to something else (I forget what).  Eventually, Bobby started belting
out the lyrics to I need a Miracle.  The video was great: you could see spit
flying all over the place!!  Black Peter was good (noise level was too high
though).  Hornsby was the protagonist for Throwing Stones.  When I heard him
lay into the Throwing stones beginning, I groaned.  NFA was normal.

	After NFA, we started for the door and hung out for the encore.
Box was nice... and pretty normal.

	All in all, the highlight for was DRUMS and the video system in
general.  The folks who design/run the video do a great job.  A stadium
show would not be the same w/o the video.  Through all this, I kept my
sanity... I missed seeing my good uncle in that huge crowd...

	This had to be the most politically charged Dead show I've seen in
all time (out of 21 shows or so)....

	I'd like to hear impressions from other people about the video and
the rain forest stuff.  Have they been doing this all summer? 


	Monday, back to Mass... we left Joisey, the temp was 90.  We got to
Mass, the temp was 63....
23.143You know when to re-read a review when..WLDWST::BLAKKANWed Jun 19 1991 09:4124
re: .141
    A big Thank-You to all of you who take the time to punch in these 
    show reviews, aka next best thing to being there.  

    >...the fan blowing on Jerry.  Made all his hair blow out from his head 
    >(straight out!) all night long.  "Look! The Flying Nun!"  "No.. I think 
    >it's Bozo!"  :-) 

    When I first read this, I missed the "..best stage prop was.."
    that proceeded this.  Taken out of that context, this conjured up
    a vision in my mind of some fanatical person in the front row
    who persisted in blowing on Jerry.  Then I got to the "made all
    his hair blow out from his head..." part and figured the fan
    must have jumped right up on to the stage and, "wwwwwwhhhhhh'ed"
    right in Jerry's ear.  Then I got to the "all night long" part.
    My next reaction was, "No way."  Next I considered the possibility
    that there had been some sort of contest where the lucky winner
    could "do anything you please on stage with the Grateful Dead."
    Incredible.

    8*)
    KenB 


23.144OCTOBR::GRABAZSI'll get up an fly awayWed Jun 19 1991 11:204
	
		We're ALL Bozos on this Bus!

23.145Bertha! :-)TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Wed Jun 19 1991 12:015
    
    HAH!  :-)  That'd have to be one BIG fan!  We kept wishing they would
    turn the air on the crowd.. we were all hoping for a breeze like that!
    
    
23.146Monday, June 17 - Giants StadiumBOOKS::BAILEYBLet my inspiration flow ...Wed Jun 19 1991 16:57100
    For me, Monday night's show was the ultimate Grateful Dead experience.
    The gods of GDTS had smiled on me, and after nearly two decades as a 
    perennial bleachers bum at Dead shows, I found myself sitting fourth 
    row from the stage, on the keyboards side.

    Little Feat was a great opener ... there weren't many people there yet
    and we could practically touch the stage while they were playing.  But 
    I couldn't wait for them to end and the Dead to take the stage.  I was 
    really psyched when I realized I'd be sitting (standing, dancing) about
    20 feet from Bruce.  I'm a big Hornsby fan, and here I'd be able to 
    actually watch his fingers while he played.

    It started raining just before the band took the stage.  It came down 
    pretty hard for a few minutes.  But finally the boys took the stage and
    it didn't matter anymore.  They opened with an extraordinary version 
    of Eyes of the World, and within minutes I was totally lost in the music.

    It wasn't just the music, or the amazing way the sound penetrated every
    pore in my body, creating harmonic oscillations in every molecule of my
    being.  It was being able to watch the expressions on their faces as they
    played ... seeing the boyz as real people, rather than performers on a
    distant stage.  Everybody around me was caught up in it ... this was pure
    Essence of Dead, served in megawatt doses.  We were indeed the Eyes of the
    World ... floating somewhere up there with the music.  
    
    Did it really go on forever ... that Eyes of the World ???  There was 
    just too much to follow.  Bruce's fingers flying around the keys, the
    expression on Vince's face as he joined in the harmonies (he does have
    a nice voice), the interplay between the drummers ... then I'd look up
    at the big screen a hundred feet over my head and they'd be panning 
    around the audience.  One time, during Loose Lucy, I actually picked out
    my brother on the big screen.

    After Eyes, it all just kinda ran together.  The whole set seemed like
    just one long song.  What else did they play ???  I know they followed
    Eyes with Walkin' Blues.  And after a bit of fiddling, did a real nice
    Brown-Eyed Women.  Masterpiece was beautiful ... from where I was I 
    could hear Bruce's accordian really well.  Loose Lucy was hot ... Jerry
    played the audience with as much skill as he played the guitar.  I don't
    know if he could really see us with all those lights in his face, but he
    sure gave me the impression he was looking right into my eyes at times.
    Cassidy wasn't as tight as usual, but the jammin' was memorable.  And the
    set ended with Might as Well, well played, energetic, and long.  

    And when it finally ended we were all emotionally drained, anxious for 
    more but needing a rest.  As the band started to leave the stage there
    was a split second when the crowd noise died down, and so I jumped up 
    on my chair and bellowed "THANK YOU" at the top of my lungs.  From the
    other side of the stage, Phil looked my way ... it may have been my 
    imagination, but it seemed like he looked right at me, so I said it 
    again ... THANK YOU.

    During the set break the usual crowd started coming over the wall, and
    the front of the stage started getting rather packed.  By the time the
    second set started, seats were coming down and people were packing in 
    pretty tight.  
    
    They started set 2 with a hot version of St. of Circumstance.  Then a
    long, sweet Ship of Fools.  After a bit of fiddlin' and diddlin', they
    broke into the Dark Star reprise that everybody in New Jersey was 
    expecting them to play (they never finished it in RFK), then suddenly
    took a sharp turn right into Truckin'.  During Truckin' the crowd really
    started jammin' and packing in close to the stage.  Soon I realized it 
    was moot to worry about where my seat was ... it wasn't there anymore 
    anyway.  So I decided to just go with the flow and relax to the tunes.
    Within seconds the same people who I had found annoying with their 
    pushing and shoving had just become a part of the scene around me ... a
    part of the music, as I had become.  By the time they were into New 
    Speedway Boogie we were all dancing together and playing guessing games
    about what would come next.

    Well the first notes were the hardest notes, but once the boyz all found
    the same key, they did a beautiful rendition of Uncle John's Band.  I 
    got a kick out of Bobby turning around and mouthing the words to Jerry
    before each chorus.  Drumz was awesome !!!  Talk about redefining my 
    entire concept of Dynamic Range ... Mickey and Bill literally shut down 
    the power grid for a few seconds with one tremendous blast.  And I 
    thought PHIL was a power monger.

    They ended the set with the Playin' Reprise and then a terrific, 
    energetic version of Sugar Magnolia.  The encore was The Weight.  Once
    again, the whole set just kinda ran together for me ... it was a total
    sensory experience.      
    
    Overall, Monday was an awesome experience.  Being up close to the stage
    sure makes ya feel like a part of the show.  It's easier for me to 
    understand why so many people risk life and limb coming over the wall 
    the get there (although I sure wish they'd quit doing that).  But I 
    think I'll be content to go back to sitting in the high seats, where the
    crowd's a bit more mellow.
    
    But if I ran into one of the boyz tomorrow, I know what I'd say to him
    now ...
    
    
    		THANK YOU, for a real good time.

								... Bob
    
23.147Grate review, bbb!CINMON::PECKARClean Phil WantedWed Jun 19 1991 17:0213
RE:     <<< Note 23.146 by BOOKS::BAILEYB "Let my inspiration flow ..." >>>
                     -< Monday, June 17 - Giants Stadium >-


>    It wasn't just the music, or the amazing way the sound penetrated every
>    pore in my body, creating harmonic oscillations in every molecule of my
>    being.  It was being able to watch the expressions on their faces as they
>    played ... seeing the boyz as real people, rather than performers on a
>    distant stage.  Everybody around me was caught up in it ... this was pure
>    Essence of Dead, served in megawatt doses.  We were indeed the Eyes of the
>    World ... floating somewhere up there with the music.  
    
Doncha _hate_ when that happens???		:-)   :-)   :-)
23.148OCTOBR::GRABAZSI'll get up an fly awayWed Jun 19 1991 17:466
	thanks bbb...reading that gave me a REAL good feeling...
	lucky you!

	Debess

23.149SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed Jun 19 1991 17:5017
re:  <<< Note 23.146 by BOOKS::BAILEYB "Let my inspiration flow ..." >>>

>    ... seeing the boyz as real people, rather than performers on a
>    distant stage.

Sounds like you folks can use some GA shows out there ;-).
    
>    I got a kick out of Bobby turning around and mouthing the words to Jerry
>    before each chorus.  

Maybe Bob was checking with Jerry to see if he got the words right *this*
time ;-).

Nice review, Bbb!!

peace,
t!ng
23.150EBBCLU::SMITHFri Jun 21 1991 18:314
      It looks as though Bruce Hornsby is hip on the tour this summer.
      Does anyone know if he played at Pine Knob. I loved how Vince and
      Bruce sounded at RFK.
                                 -Deane
23.151playin' & puffin' ...BOOKS::BAILEYBLet my inspiration flow ...Fri Jun 21 1991 23:5314
    >> I loved how Vince and Bruce sounded at RFK.
    
    I second that emotion for the Giants Stadium showz.  Sunday night I was
    thinking how well they seemed to be playing together, and how Vince was
    finally asserting himself and being a bigger part of the act.  Monday
    night I could see their faces while they were playing, and those two
    guys were having FUN !!!  You could tell from the look on Vince's face
    as he was singing that he's really into it.  However, I wish he'd quit
    smokin' so many cigarettes.  He musta gone thru a pack during the show. 
    Doesn't he know the band has a bad history with keyboard players???  
    I mean ... why tempt fate ????
    
    ... Bob
    
23.152RAISE::GLADUSun Jun 23 1991 18:435
    I might have missed it but did anyone who was at the sunday Giants
    show mention anything about John Scher announcing they were filming 
    that show for ABC's In Concert? Too bad it wasn't the monday show.
    
    - Gerry
23.153Ya MonBIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow does not have a beardMon Jun 24 1991 01:057
>    I might have missed it but did anyone who was at the sunday Giants
>    show mention anything about John Scher announcing they were filming 
>    that show for ABC's In Concert? Too bad it wasn't the monday show.


Yes, they made this announcement before Little Feat took the stage... the
crowd was psyched...
23.154DECXPS::HENDERSONThinking a lot about less &amp; lessMon Jun 24 1991 15:135
I'd like to know where they split Throwing Stones into whatever they went into
and how they got back into it at Pine Knob.


Anybody know?
23.155SA1794::GLADUGMon Jun 24 1991 15:2512
re:   <<< Note 23.154 by DECXPS::HENDERSON "Thinking a lot about less & less" >>>

>I'd like to know where they split Throwing Stones into whatever they went into
>and how they got back into it at Pine Knob.

    Most likely they split it at the usual "mini-jam" point - the part that
    sounds a little like Sampson. That's just a guess though. Easy enough
    space to jam into or out of. This last point was a lively discussion in 
    here a few years back around the time when Soapbox Boris (tm) came
    ambling through here.
    
    - Gerry
23.156Pine Knob 6/19, 6/20 reviewsCIVIC::ROBERTSImagine...Mon Jun 24 1991 17:0386
   Pine Knob review of June 19 and 20 showz
    
John Shep and I drove from NH to Michigan to see the Pine Knob shows. We drove 
all night - very interesting bunch on the roads, folks! don't worry about the 
country going to hell in a bucket :-) :-)  

We left Keene, NH around 6 pm Tuesday the 18th; crossed into Canada around 
earlyearly a.m. wednesday along with many humongous trucks...stopped for 
breakfast around 4:30 at a place populated by people with loud grating 
voices ;-).  Then back on the road driving driving driving. 

Arrived in Clarkston, MI (home of Pine Knob) around 8 Wednesday a.m.  slept 
about 2 hours, got a shower and some tour_food (TM) and headed for the 
festivities ... what else!   John's daughter lives in that town and she went 
with us both nites.  Her b'day was thursday - a great b'day present, huh? 

Pine Knob looks and acts just like Great Woods in some ways.  It holds about 16K
and the same parkinglot genius laid down the parking in/out strategy.  You 
could get into the parkinglot without a ticket - unlike at the Great Woods
JGB shows.

Security was very cool - it was like they already knew what to do with us.  
For example .. at one point during the first set first nite...a large 
number of ticketless people tried to come over a perimeter fence.  A mounted 
officer went over to the group and said 'We want you to move over there' 
and motioned to an area back of the fencing.  and they said 'sure' and they all
moved slowly in that direction.

We met people from all over; on both nights - people just kept stopping by 
the truck to hang out.  lots of good clean fun and refreshments :-)

Both nites were very warm temp_wise with the additional thing of the sun not
setting until almost 9:15 due to whatever.  We could see Jupiter/Mars/Venus
very clearly once the sky darkened a bit.  A plane flying over the stadium was
leaving a jet trail and we could see the plane seem to 'crash' into Venus.  

But oh wow what wonderful shows!  I've never seen the boyz this far west before
(furthest I'd been was Pittsburgh) and it is a major treat.   Once again the
crowd is different - how many times does it get pointed out that the East Coast
shows are really the craziest ?   

The shows totally cooked with Wednesday the 19th being the hottest for us.  
Jerry was actually doing the Dead_bop on stage - absolutely wonderful.   
The set list left out the -> 's .   The list may look ordinary to some of 
you but they jammed on most everything.  Vry very spacy all nite long.  
Bruce AND Vince were there ... I don't think I'de seen Bruce before this show
so this was a treat.  He really does add to the overall richness of the 
music.  Vince sounds really strong too.   Did I already mention that the
wednesday show was on the edge?  It was one of those shows where it feels 
like they aren't going to pull it together at every juncture but then they do 
and you are pulled along in the careening wildness of it.  Jerry was doing 
an earnest bop most of the night.  He knew it was good.  Somewhere along during
Victim ... outside forces kicked in for me which made the rest of the set 
scorching unbelievable.  Scarlet ->fire-> got in my head like you wouldn't 
believe.  a long awaited Stella Blue was sweet as usual..and The "Johnny B. 
Goode" was just plain FUN .  We could feel 'quinn' start before it started.  

Thursday nite began with TOG which was a crowd pleaser....again the ->'s 
were hot_hot_hot.  Maggie's Farm was a delight to hear.  Bruce sang on 
'Watchtower' - very very nice touch.   'Standing on the Moon' was very very
trippy...Jerry's voice very strong.  It helped the atmosphere that the half 
moon was like only three feet away from us in the sky !  Just hanging out there 
... whew.  The 'He's Gone' was heartwarming and sad at the same time.  See, 
I've decided they mean that for Brent now...and someone (Vince?) was singing 
the falsetto 'he's goooone, never gonna bring him back...' lines and sounded 
a lot like Brent would when he got into that mode.  truly wonderful bit.   
brought tears to my eyes .... and it was appropos that they went into 
Drums/space .... 

Another wonderful whimsical bit (hope this answers your question, Jim) was 
to have the 2nd set start with Throwing Stones ... not finish it ... slide 
into 'Iko' and later near the end of the set go finish 'Stones' ... just the 
kind of whimsy you'd hope for.  When they went into 'Stones reprise' near the 
end of the 2nd set... John and I were going - 'wait - wait - what night 
did they start it ' !!!   welllll you know...sometimes it is hard to 
reach back and pull it up.  which is why we rely on setlists :-)   We all did
the NFA clapping routine ... and then they came back with Brokedown. 

Just a wonderful time all around.  as usual the show before and after the shows
was tremendous.  Thanks, boyz, for a real good time. 

Carol
                                           



23.157CLOSUS::BARNESMon Jun 24 1991 17:462
    grate review!! makes me itch for Denver even more! THANKS!
                                                              rfb
23.158trip report chicago 6/22/91ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 25 1991 13:2288
    Chicago 6/22/91 
    
    Alan (a former DEChead) and I left Minneapolis at 9:00pm friday night
    and drove all the way through to Chicago that night in the VW bus
    (about 8 hours). We arrived in Chi-town at about 4:30 at a friend of 
    Alan's who was going to the show with us.  After the long drive we were 
    so happy to be done driving we couldn't fall asleep, so we went for
    breakfast and decided to get down to Soldiers and set up early so we
    could get a good camping spot.  We arrived downtown at about 8:00 am,
    where there were already a good number of campers.  We drove up to the 
    gate and the attendent wouldn't let us in - the lot was only 1/4 full,
    but he wouldn't let us in so we went across the street and parked at a
    meter and were able to stay there to camp.   This was great because we
    only had to pay 25 cents for the meter once when they came around to
    ticket, while everyone in the lot had to pay $10 just to get in :-).
    
    Once we where parked we slept for a few hours and then prepared for the 
    show!!  The day was very cold for mid summer but it didn't rain so we
    were happy.  Vending and camping was very lively and we didn't see any
    hassles from security all day or all night.  The balloon's looked like
    they were the big thing - and suprisingly enough no one was busted for
    these.  We spent the rest of the day grilling and dringking a beer or
    two.  
    
    It was show time!! getting into the stadium was very smooth.  security
    checked everyone before you reached the stadium and were very nice.
    Soldiers Field is a great venue!!  The stage was huge with three video
    screens and sails infront covering the speakers.  Because of the wind
    these sails would move around quite a bit and with the different
    designs that where flashed on them made the visual effect increadable.
    Our seats where about 18 rows up from the floor on Jerry's side with
    one smaller speaker out in the crowd about 15 ft. from us and the large
    stage speakers pointing directly at us - this made for unbeleavable
    sound. :-) Phil's base was wired to the smaller speaker and we had 
    a great time listening to him all night.:-)  Vince and Bruce were GREAT!!
    
    We were expecting a Shakedown opener when the boys came on stage, but 
    what was this - Hell in a Bucket. Oh no!! NO shakedown we thought, but
    then Jerry came back at gave us Shakedown:-) This Shakedown smoked!!!!
    very long and rockin'.  I thought I heard a Help on the Way tease
    before Shakedown. Anyone else hear this. Wang Dang Doodle had everyone 
    dancing and Soldiers Field was setting sail out to lake Michigan. 
    Friend Of The Devil mellowed everyone out and we got some good close
    ups of Jer - his hair is very long these days and he looked as healthy
    as ever.  Masterpiece was a nice follow to FOTD real smooth.  Then I
    thought I heard  that Help Tease again, but Brown Eyed Women was great
    and everyone was dancing and singing.  Let It Grow was long and I got
    lost in this closer so it must have been good :*)!!
    
    The break was pretty mellow we just hung out and let everyone else
    move.  they were playing James Brown loud on the speakers it was great
    made for a fun break.  Then THe WAVE started - Soldiers is a great
    place for the wave and it got faster and faster as it went around. Lot
    of fun.  The light went out again for the second set and they started
    to flash on and off the lights around the stadium stairs. If this was
    the break what is the second set going to be like?!?!
    
    Foolish Hearts has really matured into a Dead classic very long and the
    song has so much feeling in it when they play it.  The video was really
    neat with hearts all over the screen.  Looks like rain was apropriat
    because of the weather - it may have look like rain but it never did
    rain :-).  At the end of this song they had a close up of Bob with
    lightning flashing around his face.  Crazy fingers was real sweet - the
    last three times I have seen the boys they have played this gem. NO
    complaints here! :-).  Playin' was rockin'. it seemed like they had
    played forever and we still haven't got to drumz.  It wasn't going to
    stop at playin though the Jam went into a Dark Star tease but Jerry
    wasn't ready for a Dark Star so we get the next best thing Terrapin!!
    And what a Terrapin. The boyz were tight and feeling good.  Terrapin
    lasted forever and then went into a post terrapin Jam Phil was really 
    leading this one.  DRumz was the best I have ever heard Healy kept
    moving the sound around the stadium so the drums where spiraling around
    and around the stadium - Thanks Bill Mickey and Dan!!  Space seemed
    short but the reason was because of the Long Dark Star Jam!!!!!  Just
    when we thought Jerry might break out into the second verse to finish
    what started in RFK Playin' reprise came back.  Black Peter was nice
    and Sat. night was ... well sat. night.  The weight Encore was real
    nice way to end the night.  But it wasn't over yet.  BOOM!  everyone
    looks up and fireworks are going off!!!!  They had a huge fire works
    display for us that would rival anything that was on the 4th of July.
    It made that $30 ticket price worth it.   Wow I am tired from just
    thinking about this night!!  A good time was had by all.  Thanks
    Chicago, Soldiers Field, and The Grateful Dead.   
    
    BTW Soldiers field  had great Aucoustics for a Stadium. Hopefully there
    will be some good sounding tapes of this show.  
    
      
23.159Soldier Field 6/22/91AD::VAUKlove will see you throughThu Jun 27 1991 17:28100
23.160:-) :-) :-) :-) ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNThu Jun 27 1991 19:368
    WOW! nice review Jerry!!  This was a great show for romance.  During
    Foolish Heart, Looks Like Rain, and Crazy Fingers I really found
    myself thinking about my wife and daughter who where 500 miles away
    in Minneapolis - I missed them alot at that point.
    
    Looks like a show you will remember for ever. :-) :-) :-) 
    
    Scott  
23.161AD::VAUKlove will see you throughFri Jun 28 1991 11:2613
    
    It definitely was a show for romance - FOTD, Masterpiece, LLR, Foolish
    Heart, Crazy Fingers, Terrapin.  If we had only gotten a Morning Dew
    or a Standing on the Moon.  It was a wonderful show.  I have been to so
    many showz by myself (most of my friends back home don't like the Dead)
    that it was really special to share the experience with someone that I
    really cared deeply about.  Nuthin Left to do but :-) :-) :-)
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry 
    "Believe your dreams, never let go,
     Keep the faith, and let it grow....."
    
23.162just let us know how to find you ...BOOKS::BAILEYBLet my inspiration flow ...Fri Jun 28 1991 11:319
    Nice review Jerry.  Now, if you were so send me your home address (or
    even post it in here) I'm sure we could arrange to make sure you get
    tapes of the show when they come around.
    
    Leaving Digital doesn't mean you haveta lose touch with the folks
    you've met since you got here, ya know ...
    
    							... Bobbb
    
23.163Never say goodbye..AD::VAUKlove will see you throughFri Jun 28 1991 12:598
    
    Good point Bobb.  I hope that I will not lose touch with everyone - I
    am sure going to miss GRATEFUL when we part in August.  This is my last
    coop term and who know I might be back someday.......I will definitely
    pass my address etc. on when I leave.
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry
23.1648-13 comments pleez? ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryWed Aug 14 1991 16:349
    anyone have any words on how the show was last night??  anyone at
    Cal Expo??  hmmm???  
    
    looking at the set list that Ger posted in 62.56, i'm underwhelmed...
    the first set leaves me a little cold (though high time is a fav)...
    second set looks better but still not amazing...  any comments from
    folks that were actually there?
    
    					da ve
23.165SA1794::GLADUGWed Aug 14 1991 16:542
    I'm told Bruce and Vince switched positions for a couple of songs.
    Might have been the first night though. 
23.166HmmmSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Aug 14 1991 16:584
    Did they switch just positions?,.. or did they switch instruments too?
    
    						/
    
23.167cool!ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryWed Aug 14 1991 17:0211
    judging by the fact that it was "for a couple of songs" i would say
    they switched instruments too...
    
    i would lover to see the big ol' grand piano on stage at every show 
    (regardless of who is playing it-though i do luv Bruce)...  i know
    Keith was never really regarded as a "grate" keyboard player but i do
    miss that aspect to the sound....  besides, that side of the stage
    looks so empty still when only Vinnie is there with his electric
    keys...
    
    					da ve
23.168SA1794::GLADUGWed Aug 14 1991 17:089
re:     <<< Note 23.166 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
   
   > Did they switch just positions?,.. or did they switch instruments too?
    
    They changed position for a couple of songs and took their pianos with 
    them. Then they put them back when they were done.
    
    
     :-) :-) :-) Obviously, they switched instruments. :-)
23.169Kids! Don't try this at home! :-)SA1794::GLADUGWed Aug 14 1991 17:182
    FWIW, switching stage positions *and* instruments such as a large grand 
    piano is extremely dangerous without a properly tuned discombobulator. 
23.170call me stupid I guessSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Aug 14 1991 17:5514
    Hey man,.. don't pick on me!!!
    
    I missed the part about "a couple of songs"
    
    And da ve,... I always thought Kieth was a d*mned good piano player
    but what do I know,... 
    
    I know thi is what I get for picking on a dave in another note.
    People,. never forget the golden rule...
    
    Do unto daves,...
    
    							/
    
23.171fwiwWFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Wed Aug 14 1991 18:088
    There were "times" when Keith was a good piano player ..... but
    there were many more times when Keith was visiting the planet
    Uranus and it looked like they had a puppeteer pulling strings
    to move his hands....I remember one show that Keith had his
    head resting on one of his arms laying down kindof plinking away
    with the other.....rest his sole.
    
    rich
23.172CSLALL::HENDERSONFeeling nearly faded as my jeansWed Aug 14 1991 18:1512
RE:      <<< Note 23.171 by WFOV11::BUTZE "Quick beat of an icy heart..." >>>
                                   -< fwiw >-

   >    with the other.....rest his sole.
    
    What's his fish have to do with it? ;^/





Jim
23.173I red this onceWFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Wed Aug 14 1991 18:205
    A little known fact that Keith, knowing he would get "sleepy" during a
    show, would keep a little kipper in his pocket and let it flop around 
    just to keep him awake....take your pleasure where you find it, eh?
    
    rich
23.175and they're off! :^0ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryThu Aug 15 1991 12:483
    still, it is a way to keep him PERCHed on his bench!
    
    				da ve
23.176CSLALL::HENDERSONFeeling nearly faded as my jeansThu Aug 15 1991 13:219
While practicing scales :^)







23.177:^)ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryThu Aug 15 1991 14:074
    hmmmm...  no comments from Phyllis yet?  i'd expect her to be getting a
    little green around the GILLS by now! 
    
    				da ve
23.178VMPIRE::CLARKthe Eddie Haskell decadeThu Aug 15 1991 14:161
More puns ... holy mackerel ....
23.179CSLALL::HENDERSONFeeling nearly faded as my jeansThu Aug 15 1991 15:0015
RE:  <<< Note 23.177 by ROULET::DWEST "Dont Overlook Something Extraordinary" >>>
                                    -< :^) >-

   > hmmmm...  no comments from Phyllis yet?  i'd expect her to be getting a
   > little green around the GILLS by now! 
    
    
   I think she jumped out the window and headed for Cape Cod :^) 





   Jim
23.181AIMHI::KELLERThe Bill Of Rights: 1791-1991Thu Aug 15 1991 15:542
Oh cod, are you guys doin' this just for the halibut or are you reeling us in 
for something bigger.
23.182phew, that was badVMPIRE::CLARKthe Eddie Haskell decadeThu Aug 15 1991 15:591
Hey, get off Phyllis' bass.
23.183HA!ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryThu Aug 15 1991 16:257
    mebbe she went out for a few drinks and is in the process of getting
    
    	(ahem)
    
    			PICKERELed!!!!!!  :^) :^):^)
    
    				da ve
23.185;^)VMPIRE::CLARKthe Eddie Haskell decadeThu Aug 15 1991 16:352
So much for keeping digressions to a "minimal level."  Hee hee, GOD I love
this notesfile.
23.186DIGGIE::RILEYeeeeeeeeeegoneeeeeeeeeeThu Aug 15 1991 16:4210
    
    But not quite as goos as getting HAMMERHEAD?  Sounds like a WHALE of a
    time...  The next mornin' we'll be asking "Who's that we SEA LION on
    the floor?"
    
    But really, what's the PORPOISE of this drivel?  Are we jeopardizing
    our friendship with Phyllis just to make ANEMONE out of her?
    
    <ouch>
    
23.187TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Thu Aug 15 1991 18:087
    
    That's right!  I forgot.. we have RULES now, don't we.  And I'M a
    moderator.  HAH!  Stay tuned for mass deletion!!!
    
    hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha!
    
    
23.188what he say ?MSHRMS::FIELDSUp The Wazoo Without A GizmoThu Aug 15 1991 19:458
    Hey will you guys cut this Punning to a Min-O-Mim, I can't keep up with
    it all while on Vacation ! Geessss two weeks ago this place was about
    as quite as a beach during shark warnings, but NOOOOOOOO once I take a
    week off this place gets a busy as a school of blues of the cape in
    mating time !
    
    
    Chris
23.189SPICE::PECKARClean Phil WantedThu Aug 15 1991 20:086
RE:      <<< Note 23.188 by MSHRMS::FIELDS "Up The Wazoo Without A Gizmo" >>>


   Chris. log the hell off of here, will ya? yer on vacation ferchrissakes.

Sheesh. 	:-)
23.190Cal Expo 8/12-14SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Aug 16 1991 05:4169
Cal Expo is a fun venue!  Jerry was in shorts all 3 nights.  Not only that,
but he was wearing official Grateful Dead shorts with a Steal-Your-Face
and everything.  Fancy!!  ;-)  The scene was relatively mellow unless if
you were in the front of the line with the railers.  There were some
extremely uptight folks up there.  No wonder I never go for the rail!!
I saw security confiscate one vendor's goods outside while we were waiting
in line, but I think that's because he was selling sodas and they wanted
some 8-/.

First night was good, although the sound seemed turned down.  Bruce was on
accordian for Iko.  Jerry forgot a lot of the words during Althea.  First
set ended well.  China/Rider rocked as usual.  Terrapin built with a
vengeance - crescendos from hell!! 8-)  Bruce and Vince switching during
Miracle.  Vince walked over to Bruce and tapped him on the shoulder and gave
him an "Outta that seat!!" look 8-).  I didn't see if Bruce did the same to
Vince or not during the switch back, but it was pretty funny.  Vince *rocks*
on the piano!!  I think he should get a chance to play it more often.  During
Lovelight, Jerry stood back and let Bobby do his thing.  It looked like he was
clapping during parts of Lovelight instead of playing (maybe he was tired or
maybe he was just giving Bobby the spotlight).  The Weight was good, but
Bruce's mike was turned way down so it was hard to hear him during his verse.

The second night was better.  The sound was a lot better and turned up
louder.  Sugaree featured Bruce on accordian and Jerry on slide.  Bruce
was also on accordian for Memphis Blues and the Black Muddy River encore.
Highlight of the first set was of course High Time - always one of my
all-time favorites (I think I've only seen about a dozen High Time's).
Let it Grow was very sweet.  Second set seemed a bit on the short side.
It was well-played though.  During Sugar Mag, Bobby did his rock star
act and ran up to the front of the stage to do his high hand jamming.
When Jerry saw that, Jerry did his Bobby imitation and ran up to Bill and
Mickey and did *his* high hand jamming 8->!!  Uncle Jerry does have a
wonderful sense of humor!!

Third night was great!  It was well-played and the choice of songs was
excellent!!  As you can probably guess from the setlist, it was cloudy
and sprinkling a little during the third night, but it never got bad.
It sprinkled enough to get maybe the top part of your hair wet.  This
was good since I don't think anyone inside was prepared for rain.  It
had been sunny and almost 90 degrees before the clouds moved in.  As
soon as the Dead started playing Touch of Grey, the drizzle subsided
and the setting sun in the back of the venue lit up the stage with an
orange glow.  It was gorgeous!!  Black Throated Wind was a treat!!
Bobby was on slide for Rooster and Jerry was on slide for Don't Ease.
Cold Rain and Snow was an easy call (even though it didn't really get
cold - thank God!!)  Bruce was on accordian for Cold Rain, Box, and
Uncle John's.  Box of Rain was a surprise position-wise, although the
content was again quite appropriate.  I don't really remember if I've
ever seen Box appear in the middle of a set before.  I don't think so
though.  It kept drizzling off and on until Looks Like Rain when it
stopped after Bobby did his "Rain, rain, go away!!" bit to the crowd's
cheering. (Good job, Bobby!!).  Crazy Fingers described perfectly the
silver streaks of rain shining against the stage lights.  I'm not sure
how Estimated fits into all of this, but it was good.  Bobby didn't
scream, but Vince's synth did some imitation Bobby screams 8-).  The
Supplication jam was such a tease.  People had been yelling for Lazy
Lightning, but I guess Bobby was just not up to snuff on the lyrics 8-(
although he *did* seem like he wanted to play it.  I would've loved to
hear a Lazy Lightning again!!  Maybe Jerry didn't want to play it cause
it was his turn, so they went into Uncle John's and it was as sweet as
ever.  The Phil intro to the Other One just shook me to my bones!!  YOW!!
Wharf Rat and Around and Around were nice (Around^2 was *much* better
than the expected Throwing/Away).  Bruce was on accordian again for the
Knockin' encore.  Nice show!!

And now onto Shoreline ... 8->!!

peace,
t!ng
23.191CSLALL::HENDERSONFeeling nearly faded as my jeansFri Aug 16 1991 12:2819

RE:          <<< Note 23.190 by SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!" >>>
                                 -< Cal Expo >-


 >And now onto Shoreline ... 8->!!


  Hey! My 15 year old son is going to his first show tonight with my sister!!

  If you see him (a remarkably good looking young man [like his father] posses-
  ing a rapier like wit [also like his father] with hair to his a** [mines not
  that long] say hi and give him a hug!!




 Jim
23.192CLOSUS::BARNESFri Aug 16 1991 15:024
     THANKS T!ng!!! 
I always look forward to yer Calif. reviews
That 3rd show's set list sure looks good
                                         rfb
23.193yes, thank you!ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryFri Aug 16 1991 21:463
    yes thanks T!ng!!!  i was needing some words to go with the lists...
    
    			da ve :^)
23.194Shoreline 8/16/91ESGWST::MIRASSOUWe've all gone to look for America...Sat Aug 17 1991 07:15113
    Just got back from the Friday night Shoreline Show, and wanted to get
    this in before I forgot what they played.  Definitely a show where they
    went for quality instead of quantity!
    
    It was a typical Shoreline summer evening, warm, and a bit breezy, and
    there was a pretty half-moon hanging up in the sky.  Traffic was
    amazingly light driving up, considering it was about 5:30, and in the
    middle of rush hour.  I didn't hit any slow ups, and breezed all the
    way there.  A nice beginning for a nice night.
    
    Beth's gone off to Alaska for a bit, so I had an extra ticket to play
    miracle man with. (I'm still split on that idea.  I know giving tickets
    away just encourages people without tickets to show up, but the smiles
    you get makes it worthwhile for me).  So, anyway, I cruised through the
    parking lot, taking in the scene, and looking for the right person to
    give it to.  While walking near the drummers, I happened to pass a lady
    in a tie-dyed body suit who was looking for a ticket.  At least, I
    thought it was a body suit, until I did a double take, and realized
    that it was body paint, and not a suit at all.  That seemed to be
    deserving of a ticket, so I kept my eyes locket on hers, presented her
    with the ticket, and was rewarded with a beautiful smile.  The ticket
    given away, it was now time to head into the show.
    
    Took a quick scan of the merchandise on one side, decided too take a
    closer look at intermission (key-z had a booth there I wanted to look
    at), and then headed for a spot about half-way up the lawn, and just a
    shade into the Phil zone.
    
    The boyz were a bit later than usual coming out (I didn't have a watch,
    but I think it was after 7:30, and the "official" start time was 7:00).
    But they finally wandered out, Bobby in his usual cut-offs and a purple
    shirt, and Jerry wearing his usual black shirt, and a pair of purple
    pants. A bit darker than Bobby's shirt, but quite purple none the less.
    
    After tuning up, the first set started out pleasantly, though nothing
    really special.  Jack Straw started it off, followed by Bertha, and
    It's All over Now.  (By the time the show was over, I had forgotten
    that one, and had to ask people in the parking lot which one it had
    been. I think I got every other song they had played, both first and
    second set, until I finally found someone who had written down the set
    list.)  Jerry followed that up with Ramble On Rose, and that's when I
    realized that drinking lots of water at work, followed by a beer at the
    show, was a mistake, and headed off to answer nature's call. 
    Unfortunately, so did a a large number of other people, so I didn't get
    back until Bobby was starting Desolation Row.  After this was a longer
    than normal break, and I let my attention wander and started looking
    around at the crowd. They got my attention back quickly with a familiar
    four-note series, and I got to see my second Dark Star, and first in
    the first set.  Very Nice!  But I always want the jam to go on far
    longer than this one did, though they did segue very smoothly into a
    hot Promised Land to close the first set.
    
    Now it's time to wander about and see what was going on.  Shoreline has
    added a new toy over by one of the consession stands since the last
    time I was there.  Basically, there were 6 or 8 upright pianos, with
    boards that had the innards of other pianos (sorta like harps nailed to
    plywood) behind the pianos.  Lots of people were having a wonderful
    time playing with the keys, and hitting the strings with hammers, etc.
    
    They also had a sort of a stage show going on near the entrance.  I'll
    do my best to describe it.  First, picture a giant white water bottle
    type thing which is maybe 6-7 feet tall, and 3-4 feed in diameter.  Now
    mount a drum set on top of the bottle.  Take that, hang it inside
    of a large metal-frame box, and put somebody behind the drum set to
    play the drums and bounce it around.  Now, take some bass, and some
    other drumming (I couldn't see if it was live or tape), and get them to
    put a nice rhythm down.  Finally, take a few people, dress them in
    puffy sleeve like things, or a cape, lots of black-light paint, and not
    much else, and send them out to dance in front of black lights and
    strobe lights, and you end up with quite a spectacle.  Which took care
    of much of my wandering time (oh well, there's always tomorrow).
    
    Hmm. This is getting a bit long, so I'll try to cover the HOT second
    set quickly.  Started out with a rocking Scarlet Begonias, which flowed
    very smoothly into Victim or the Crime.  That song is growing on me
    more and more, though this one seemed  more sedate than most.  Victim
    flowed into the missing Fire on the Mountain, which in turn flowed into
    an energetic Truckin', both of which were great.  Drumz followed
    starting with Billy doing some nice work on his set, and ending with
    Mickey doing something which reminded me somewhat of Native American
    Drumming.  Space was it's nice, spacey self, and it moved into a pretty
    Playing jam, with Bruce (yes, Bruce was here, too) doing some beautiful
    work on his grand piano. (For a second or two, I though they might
    wander into the Wheel, but they stayed with Playin.  Bobby finally came
    in, and sang just the Playin' reprise.  (Was this a leftover from Cal
    Expo?)  Jerry took it then, and did a sweet Standing on the Moon.  His
    voice really sounded strong to me, especially at the end.  Finally,
    Bobby rounded out the second set with a real energetic Good Lovin'.  At
    the end, Bobby started improvising stuff, throwing out lines like "Who
    here needs good lovin?  I know I do!", and various screeched and
    squawks.  Jerry & Bruce gave each other looks and smiles which seemed
    to say "He's at it again!".  Come to think of it, Jerry and Bruce had
    smiles just about everytime they had closeups on the screen. And
    everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves a lot.  The encore was a
    rockin U.S. Blues, and, though I had gotten tired of that song for a
    while, I really enjoyed this one.
    
    All in all, a real good show!  One thing I forgot to mention.  The
    decoractions on the sides of the stage seemed a bit more subdued than
    normal.  After it got dark, I saw why.  They also used them as
    projection screens.  A nice picture of the earth surrounded by stars
    went up during Darkstar, and a couple of beautiful cloudy-red sunsets
    were up during Fire on the Mountain.  And, of course, lots of
    interesting effects on the normal TV type screens, too.
    
    I'll leave it to someone else to post a set list, since this is from
    memory, and I may have left a song out.  And I'll leave it someone else
    to answer a question, too.  I have to admit, I was getting into the
    flow of the Dark Star, and didn't listen that closely to make sure they
    had sung the whole thing, but I thought they had.  But I later heard
    someone speaking as if they hadn't, so who knows, maybe we (or someone
    further on down the line) still has the closer to come.  Who knows? 
    Maybe this will be the first bi-coastal Dark Star!
23.195SA1794::GLADUGMon Aug 19 1991 14:409
    re: 8/16 Dark Star
    
    I'm told that they only played the 1st half of Dark Star.
    
    Tour notes:
    
    Also, it seems they've had no repeats in the 6 shows between Cal Expo
    and Shoreline for a total of 96 different songs. That's comforting
    since the East Coast is looking at runs of 9 MSG and 6 BG's.
23.196CLOSUS::BARNESMon Aug 19 1991 15:184
    I guess the Calif. crowds are as tired of Picasso Moon as we are. 
    (   just a joke %^)  )
    
                rfb
23.197Shoreline 8/16-18SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Aug 20 1991 03:3296
Marvelous, just marvelous!!  That's all I can say about the incredible
set of shows at Shoreline!! (besides INCREDIBLE!!, that is 8-)  They
only repeated one song from the Cal Expo run (Promised Land).  Jerry
was again in good spirits.  He was wearing purple pants on Friday (as
John already mentioned).  It's actually almost lavender.  The stage
was flanked by screens lightly painted with an earth splashing into
a sea of clouds (same decor as Cal Expo).  The screens were used during
the show for projections to highlight the songs.

Friday was without doubt the best of the run (of course, fueled by the
Dark Star and Jerry's purple pants ;-)  It was definitely a Bruce night.
He was in the lead all night.  The Jack Straw/Bertha opener laid the
groundwork for the rest of the evening.  It's All Over Now was fun!!
Bobby seemed emotional for Bobby, but it's hard to tell.  Desolation Row
featured Bruce on accordian.  Then Bruce got back on the piano and
started playing the first few notes of Dark Star.  Jerry looked at him
with a giant grin on his face as if he's saying, "Sure, I'll play that!!".
And was it SWEET!!!  They only got through playing the first verse before
Bobby started into Promised Land (a bit impatient, eh, Bobby??)  Dark
Star was about 10 minutes long.

We had wanted Scarlet so we got it.  Nice!!  Bruce led the band into
Victim and Bobby jumped in with the lyrics before the groove really got
going.  I notice Bobby does that a lot (patience is a virtue, my dear
boy 8-).  The crowd went wild when the boys went back into Fire.  I've
seen a Victim>Scarlet>Fire before, but I think I like the Scarlet>Victim>
Fire arrangement a lot better!  8-)  Truckin' rocked and stretched into
a nice jam before drums.  After space, Bruce led the band into Playin',
reprised from the first night at Cal Expo.  Bruce led the band again
into Standing on the Moon.  Unfortunately, Jerry messed up the words
and looked a little lost for that last verse.  Good Lovin' ended the
set nicely.  Boy, I haven't heard that since December '89!!  U.S. Blues
was energetic, but I think I would've appreciated it a lot more if the
guys next to me were not yelling out the words (#*$%@&!!)  I sure am
glad they weren't there during Dark Star 8-).

Saturday's opener was just unbeatable!!  Beautiful Help>Slip!>Franklin!!
Then Bobby rocked into the Willie Dixon classic Wang Dang Doodle, setting
the mood just right 8-).  Bruce was on accordian for Queen Jane and again
later on for the Baby Blue encore.  The Music Never Stopped came across
more like a message, but it stopped and ended the set (I always thought
this is kind of funny that way).  I don't think I've ever seen a Man
Smart/Women Smarter opener for the second set.  That was a nice one.
The He's Gone Saturday was dedicated to Rick Griffin (as I found out
today 8-( - I didn't even know about his accident then).  They jammed
for a while after He's Gone.  Jerry left first and the rest of the band
kept jamming for a while before the drummers took over.  During drums,
someone dressed as the Grim Reaper came out and slowly made its way
across the stage.  It sank down in a heap and rose ominously with its
arms out.  Mickey had a giant grin on his face and kept throwing
drumsticks at the Reaper until it decided that the battering was too
much and went back to the dark recesses of the stage where it came from.
Out of space came the ultimate Dark Star tease.  The crowd roared.  We
were disappointed that it didn't take off, but the Morning Dew that took
its place was just as much of a treat.  Jerry did not smile for this one.
This was a heart-felt Dew.  Yes, Uncle Jer, it doesn't really matter
anyway.  Rick is a lot happier where he is now.  Saturday Night closed
the set early.  The Baby Blue encore was a really soulful one too, high-
lighted by the blue projections on the sides of the stage.

Sunday was an early show.  First set was nice and long!!  Again, the
C.C. Ryder into It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry (this
title is too long!!) rocked - a repeat from the last set of Shoreline
shows 8-).  Eighteen beats started the band into Beat It on Down the
Line - well, almost.  Bobby didn't start when he was supposed to and
they had to stop until Bobby was done laughing at himself before they
started again.  The song ended abruptly the way it always does - well,
almost.  Bruce decided that the song should go on, so he kept playing.
The rest of the band looked at each other and played another verse
before finishing the song - well, almost.  Bobby pointed at Jerry to
say "What d'you do that for??"  and Jerry said "It wasn't me!!  It was
him!!" and pointed to Bruce, at which point Jerry made a gun with his
hand and "shot" Bruce.  The crowd started a Bruce chant, and the band
finished the final bars of BIODTL.  Lots of goofing around on stage.
Bruce played accordian for Masterpiece.  The Johnny B. Goode closer
was a long-time coming.  I haven't heard that one for a while (I think
the last one I saw was during the New Years run in '89).

I've never seen a Deal opener for the second set, but it guess it
happened a couple of times before in the 70's.  It smoked!!  Samson
had a long drum intro before tearing the whole building down ;-).
Half-Step was slow and mellow.  Stranger before drums was unexpected,
but I like it that way.  I was very psyched for the China Doll out of
space.  I thought I heard glimpses of it out of space and before the
Playin' reprise on Friday, so I had been looking forward to that since
then.  Beautiful!!  Bobby was ready to go into Throwing Stones after
China Doll, but Jerry wanted to go into Going Down the Road, so Jerry
got his way.  It was a fine one too!!  Then of course, Bobby got his
turn with the Throwing Stones when Jerry was done.  Bruce was on
accordian again for Not Fade Away and the Brokedown encore.  Brokedown
was a nice closer to the best set of shows I've seen in a while!!
You folks are in for a treat in the upcoming Fall tour!!  Get psyched!!
8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.198CSLALL::HENDERSONFeeling nearly faded as my jeansTue Aug 20 1991 12:489
My 15 year old son called me Saturday morning after his first show Friday
night...he was psyched.  I answered the phone and he said "well Dad, I guess
I'm a Deadhead now...can you get any Boston Garden tix?"  




:^)   JIm
23.199CLOSUS::BARNESTue Aug 20 1991 13:544
    re-.198
    
    
    happens to the best of us......
23.200MR4MI2::REHILLCall me Mystery HillWed Aug 21 1991 11:525
    Re: Cal Expo. Just to add one point to T!ng's review.
    
    I'm not sure if its mentioned, but during Monday Night, first set,
    Graham Lesh was on stage playing a toy guitar, along with Dad. He
    even had red, white and blue wrist bands on. 
23.201TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Wed Aug 21 1991 12:004
    
    :-)  That's totally adorable! :-)
    
    
23.202SCAM::GRADYtim gradyWed Aug 21 1991 13:106
    re:23.200 (Graham Lesh) :-) :-)
    
    Saw him in Orlando last April - what a cute kid!! (My daughter Jessie
    was very impressed)...
    
    
23.203SA1794::GLADUGThu Sep 12 1991 18:034
    From what I've heard, the 9/10/91 show with Brandford was as good as it
    looks. He apparently played both sets.
    
    - Gerry
23.204SPICE::PECKARPlayin' to the tideThu Sep 12 1991 18:326
Well, I hope Healy got a good copy (good enough for the next live dead CD).

Fog_who_wouldda_been_there_if_he_haddn't_gone_off_and_done_something_silly_
last_year_like_get_married,_buy_a_house_in_the_burbs,_impregnate_his_wife_
and_then_turn_30_..._(Yikes!)_:-)
23.205don't trust a boy who don't like baseballLANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeFri Sep 13 1991 12:0020
so now for all you lucky folks so far...

Has Hornsby been playing all nights in MSG?

How's Vinnie sounding?  How's the overall keyboard sound?

Are you as glad as I am to see Dr. Filth er I mean Tom Thumb make a 
reappearance?  

What's the scene outside the doors like?  Mellow?  Lot's of "miracle" people?

hmmm what else?  Did King Kong get a ticket for this years run?  

Is everyone right on the money...tight...in control and in fine form?

questions!  boy ya ask a lot a questions....
foghorn leghorn w/ apologies to Father Fog
bob


23.206TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Sep 13 1991 14:3338
    
    Hi!  I'm finally back after no net access all week.  I got tired of
    answering mail messages so I thought I'd come in here and talk to you
    all for awhile! :-) 
    
    Tuesday was absolutely INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We had seats way
    up in the 300's somewhere but managed to scam a whole section in the
    90's right next to the tapers.  We got about 8 seats together without
    one stub!  Branford rumors had been flying for months, ever since the
    ad came out in the NYTimes and we knew he'd be in town the 11th ->. 
    But it was still a surprise when he came out right from the beginning
    of the show.  We were just hanging out celebrating, and the lights
    go down, and the band walks out and starts toodling around, and Gary
    says - "aren't there a lot of people up there?"  :-)  GerryG... PLEASE
    get some copies of Reb's tapes!!!  The first set was so hot, we were
    almost scared to hear the second! ;-)  Branford does this loooong solo
    during CC->Takes a lot.. that is pure bluez heaven.  And then after that 
    Help Slip 2nd set open.. I seriously could've gone home then, never heard 
    another note of Grateful Dead and been happy forever.  Really.  It was 
    that good.  But I'm glad I stayed ;-).  
    
    Drumz Space Darkstar Space Darkstar Space.  Through the transitive 
    nightfall of diamonds indeed. :-)  
    
    The whole run's been pretty solid, with last night as the weekest link. 
    Although FINALLY hearing that Big Railroad was grate!  And the Terrapin
    was beautiful.  First night was probably 2nd best, and the Attics
    encore was certainly a nice touch.  Hearing the Last Time again was
    pretty weird and made me think of Brent a lot.  The Dew second night
    was wonderful.  We were all really psyched they broke it out so early
    in the run when Gerry's voice is still strong and sweet.
    
    And now it's on to Friday the 13th and 8th row seats!  
    
    :-) :-) :-),
    Phyllis
    
    
23.207TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Sep 13 1991 16:0623
    
    Some logistical stuff..
    
    Getting in has been no problem, any night.  We've been going in around
    7 each night, though.  I don't know what it's like closer to show time.
    
    Security has been very mellow.  Minor bag checking.  Basically just
    feeling for bottles and cans.  Wine sacks are fine.  Once you get in, 
    you can basically go anywhere you want.  Here and there you'll find a 
    gate blocked by a guard who's checking stubbs, but then you just walk 
    down to the next one and go on in.  Even with the renovations, the whole 
    place is still connected so you can get from the worst seats to the best 
    without climbing or jumping anything.
    
    They've been selling beer inside each night.
    
    No King Kong.
    
    Yes, Bruce has been there every night.
    
    Jerry wore bright blue pants last night. :-)
    
    
23.208CSLALL::HENDERSONHand me my old guitar...Fri Sep 13 1991 16:1112


   How much is the ice cream?




     :^)


   Jim
23.209still have some leftDEDSHO::CLARKthe funk of 40,000 yearsFri Sep 13 1991 16:341
$2.50
23.210TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Sep 13 1991 16:424
    
    with or without whipped cream?
    
    
23.211CSLALL::HENDERSONHand me my old guitar...Fri Sep 13 1991 16:4814
RE:         <<< Note 23.209 by DEDSHO::CLARK "the funk of 40,000 years" >>>
                           -< still have some left >-

>$2.50




 $2.50?????  HA HA HA HA HA HA :^) :^)





23.212CSLALL::HENDERSONHand me my old guitar...Fri Sep 13 1991 16:4915
RE:          <<< Note 23.210 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "Wake, now discover.." >>>

    
   > with or without whipped cream?
    
    

    Obviously, you're not in on the joke.   :^)





   Jim

23.213TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Fri Sep 13 1991 16:576
    
    Well!  Last time I try to help you out with a friendly answer.  Geez.
    
    ;-)
    
    
23.214CSLALL::HENDERSONHand me my old guitar...Fri Sep 13 1991 17:069

 Its one of those you had to be there things that only happen at showz.





  Jim
23.215DEDSHO::CLARKthe funk of 40,000 yearsFri Sep 13 1991 17:3210
Yeah, we're IN on the joke, and you're OUT!!  Ha ha ha!  Pretty clique-ish
of us, ey?

	;^)	;^)

Please note all read-onlys out there ... this is only humor ... not an attempt
to shut anyone out ... get in here and enter a note NOW ... we know you're
out there!

- Dave
23.216just a little something i'm happy about! :^)ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryMon Sep 16 1991 12:086
    re 9/14 setlist
    
    another "good times"!!!!!!   i think it's safe to say that this tune 
    is back in the rotation... :^)
    
    				da ve
23.217the hammond b5 is a great organ when played by a good keyboardestBIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow does not have a beardMon Sep 16 1991 12:133
	I've been listening to a very nice SB copy of 3-18, and 3-19-90 
Hartford CT (thanks dave l!)... brent sure added a lot of positive to the
music, imo....
23.218TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Mon Sep 16 1991 12:178
    
    I think there's something missing from the Sat. nite 1st set list but I
    can't figure out what.
    
    Anybody out there who was there?  Fredda?  Lisa?  Bob?  Ger?  Didn't
    Jerry sing something btwn Little Red and Desolation Row?  
    
    Phyllis_who_seems_to_have_left_her_set_list_at_home..sorry.
23.219jac a roweLANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeMon Sep 16 1991 12:336
          <<< Note 23.218 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "Wake, now discover.." >>>

>    I think there's something missing from the Sat. nite 1st set list but I
>    can't figure out what.
 
yea,  a jack a roe i think....
23.220TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Mon Sep 16 1991 12:364
    
    Yup - that's it.  Thanks.  
    
    
23.2212 close and 4 not so closeLANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeMon Sep 16 1991 18:1419
Had a real good time in MSG this past saturday night - something about
NYC that I just *love*!  It's got alot to do with the incredible amounts
of energy in and around those parts.  Say what you will but....

My fave parts of the show were a great rocking Promised Land and same
goes for Saturday Night.  There I said it - I didn't think I ever would
say that about at least one of those tunes.

Oh yeah, I ended up camping out about 35 minutes north of the city in
Harriman St. Park.  Only problem for me is navigating out off that island
and over the gwb bridge at 2:30 in the morning....

bob

ps.  JC was right - there are 2 blarney stones unless of course anyone
who was supposed to be there didn't make it.  I asked and there are 6 in
manhatten alone.


23.222Boston Garden, Boston MA, 20 Sep 91LESPE::WHITEWithout love in a dream...Sat Sep 21 1991 16:3023
	Boston Garden, 20 Sep 91

	Description of the show - workmanlike.  They took the stage,
	they played some tunes, they left.  A very laid back show
	that did have its moments.  I thought the Globe artiicle
	reviewing the show was kind - I expected a real blast on 
	the band/music.

	Black Throated Wind was a treat for me (my first) but was
	hesitant and awkward.  Bird Song jam tended to go nowhere.
	Help -> Slip -> Fire was definitely a surprise.  Truckin'
	was the hot spot of the show and was followed by an
	extended Other One jam  that left Bob Weir, Bruce Hornsby,
	and Vince Wellnick on stage with the drummers for a while.

	The averageness of this show was a key factor in my deciding
	to accept a ticket for tonight (Saturday), hoping that
	they'll coming out smoking to make up for the so-so show
	last night.

	Bob_jaded

23.223Boston Garden, Boston MA, 21 Sep 91GR8FUL::WHITEWithout love in a dream...Sun Sep 22 1991 05:1640
	Boston Garden, 21 Sep 91

	A much better show than the previous night.  Lots more energy.
	Bob Weir was back from wwherever he had been the night before.

	Personal highlights: They Love Each Other, Fennario.  Cassidy
	was good, nice jam that lead into a hot (but not incendiary)
	Deal.

	The whole second set was very good to excellent.  Uncle John's
	was well done with lots of crowd singing.  I was expecting them
	to go into Playing In The Band, but Saint Of Circumstance was
	a real crowd pleaser.  I realy liked the Eyes Of The World.
	It didn't seem to the frantic, heavily drum driven version of 
	recent times.

	Eyes went into an extended and energetic jam.  It finished up 
	with Bruce Hornsby pounding out a solo whlle Bill and Micky
	get up rhythm.  There were definite snatches of a song here
	but the title escapes me.

	Drums and space were drums and space :-)

	The Other One was one the best I've heard recently - very 
	throbbing version with Phil thundering away.  Wharf Rat was
	good and the crowd bopped heartily during One More Saturday
	Night.

	It's All Over Now, Baby Blue is a personal favorite and
	was nicely done.

	All in all, I give this show four stars.

	Bob

	P.S. The crowd both nights was considerably mellower than I
	had expected.  Generally well behaved and an almost tolerable
	amount of loud talking and war whoops directly to the ear...

23.224 Boston sept 91SENIOR::BERSEYSun Sep 22 1991 19:3010
     So how was Boston ??
    
        What's new what's hot,  where did you people eat or drink?
    how many shows did you go to ?  what  are some of the songs they
    played this time around? Let's here some good times... 
    
    also the parking lot sceene ??? any merchants around town or was that
    put to an end??? 
    
       J
23.225Maybe spring tour!SALEM::MARKIEWICZMon Sep 23 1991 12:048
    Re.-.222 and 223
    
    Thanks for the great reviews Bob.  I've never been to a show and
    desperately hoped Boston would be my first, but couldn't get tickets.
    Your reviews help me share the joy.
    
    Rose
    
23.226these are a few of my favorite things...DEDHED::SPINETom SpineMon Sep 23 1991 12:079
re: bob white's review of saturday night:

>	Drums and space were drums and space :-)

I thought two interesting parts of Saturday night's space were
a little jam on Bach's "Ode to Joy" and then Hornsby playing out
a line of "My Favorite Things" from Sound of Music.

tms
23.228BIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow is growing a beardMon Sep 23 1991 12:1032
RE: 62.82 (or so)  Jamie Ide

Yah, after I logged out, I thought I had forgot at least spoonful when entering
the set list (my piece of paper had it written down)...  i didn't feel like
re-dailing, etc.................

9-22-91, quick review.

Musically, from what I could tell, I thought the show was excellent.  The
first 3 songs were done perfectly.  We sat behind stage -- the sound was
very muddled (when I sat behind stage at Albany, the sound was much better).
Whenever Jerry sang, it was practically impossible to hear what he was
saying.  Bob's singing sounded much better.  Maggie's FaHm was cool -- 
starting w/ bob, each person (minus the drummers) sang a verse.  I'm not 
sure who drew the largest crowd surge; my guess would be Phil...  Let it grow
was good, however, the song was spoiled by some stupid alarm horn blaring
behind us ... finally, the correct folks turned the stupid thing off!! What
a disturbance!!

Samson->Iko was really hot!!  The temperature in the Gahdin must have rose
10 degress after these two.  I think the boyz picked up on this as they
slowed it down with a LLR, which I'm not too hot on.   Jerry continued the
mellowness with a nice he's gone drawing much crowd noise at the typical
places ("nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile!").  he's gone progressed
into some bluezy vocals which led to a could of bluez tunes.  Drumz was long;
I think mickey and bill were waiting for the boyz to come out and finally
said, lets split!!!  There was actually a pause between drumz and space; about
35 or so seconds of "dead air" ...  last time was very nice, stella was ok
and sugar mag smoked!!!  bob played rock star in a big way by jamming on the
edge of the stage!!

heaven's door was a nice close.
23.230nice shows all weekend !MSHRMS::FIELDSI didn't forget the TICKETS !Mon Sep 23 1991 12:285
    Did anyone else pick up the Little Feat riffs Bruce kept doing at the
    end of He's Gone ? I kept saying to myself "Now that would be something
    to see !" 
    
    Chris
23.231I say we get The Way It Is by thursdayBIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow is growing a beardMon Sep 23 1991 12:398
RE: Chris Fields


YUP!  I heard the "Fat Man in the Bathtub" riff as well as Hornsby's own
"The Way It Is" riffs... I tell ya, from behind stage, I could really see
Hornsby well.  He is one HOT piano player!!!


23.232WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Mon Sep 23 1991 13:065
    Thanks TMS for entering the note to the space "ODE TO JOY" I was 
    trying to figure it out for the rest of the night....I thought
    it was great.
    
    rich
23.233LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsMon Sep 23 1991 13:1111
in the last two nights I heard Little Feat, I heard some of his own songs, I
heard Danny Boy, I heard Favorite Things, I heard Jerry doing Bach (tms, I
think the song was Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring although), I even heard Nobody's
Fault and called it (and then felt silly until they actually did play it).  But
most of all I heard wonderful sounds - and still can hear it!!!  WOW!  is all i
can say right now, maybe later I'll be functional enough to actually right a
review.  But then again maybe I won't.

Lisa

23.234...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Sep 23 1991 14:1116
    right after Ode to Joy,. Jerry was tinkering out the melody to
    the song from Casablanca,.. I think its titled "As Time Goes By"
    (You must remember this, a kiss is just a kiss)
    
    Trucking definitely led into the space that Watchtower later came
    out of.
    
    I agree with Bob Whites reviews pretty much,.. but the Dew was my
    personal highlight. For once,. and East Coast Dew where everyone shut
    up lopng enough for Jerry to sdo some nice quiet pristine guitar work.
    He took his time,.. ane he "got there" :-)
    
    Sounds like Sunday was a cool show,.. too bad I missed it.
    
    							/
    
23.235LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsMon Sep 23 1991 14:5310

So, am I wrong about the title of the Bach tune?  Because I was really    
sure I was right.  I meant to listen to it yesterday morning but forgot.
Or is "Ode to Joy" and "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring" the same song?  You
know, it's the one that goes; do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do 
do do do do do do do do do do do do do 

:-)

23.236opposite view ---no big deal thoughWFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Mon Sep 23 1991 14:558
    It's funny how people view shows...I enjoyed both Friday and Sat.
    but felt that Saturday was more of the "doing a job" type show..
    I felt that there was more energy on Friday as well ..... it also
    could have been the excursion into the North End on Saturday
    with Bob H and spouse that did it ....goood sambooooca and rocket 
    fueled expressssso.....I really enjoyed the Help-Slip-Fire and
    Dew on Friday...wish I was at Sunday and am looking forward to
    Wed.  
23.237That's LudwigPENUTS::NOBLEMon Sep 23 1991 15:269
    "Ode to Joy" is Beethoven, the last movement of the 9th symphony.
    "do do do do do do do do do ...  do do do" does sound more like
    Jesu Joy. 
    
    Either way I wish I'd been at Saturday's show to hear that. Still,
    I got to see Sunday's so I don't feel I missed out on too much!
    
    ..Robert
    
23.238LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeMon Sep 23 1991 15:4719
Garcia for president?  I dunno - check out the piece on the editorial
page of today's Globe....

That's for all you folks who looked in the living/arts section for 
show reviews - OR looked in the sports page to see if the Patriots really
did beat Moon and Co...

this ones an editorial ....  neat drawing of Garcia but other than that .... 

ahh well 
signed - 
one burnt bob
:) but he's still smiling...
it's gonna be rough - school tonight/tomorrow.....
ouch!

so chalk it down - I won't be in Boston tuesday so pull out the stops and 
have a good one!  :)   (they play everything you've be dying to hear :)

23.239my 2 senseCSLALL::SMARTINDead SoxMon Sep 23 1991 15:5721
    
    
    Friday was very enjoyable. I was bummed about the Touch opener, but my
    mood soon changed. I loved Black Throated Wind and Masterpiece. Song of
    the night: Morning Dew. :-)
    
    Saturday was nice. I think Cassidy was my favorite. That was the best
    Wharf Rat I've heard: really nice vocals! (Vince!) I just wish we had
    better seats for this one. We were in "Stadium," with the overhang
    above. It was noisy in there, (not to mention smokey), so the sound was
    crummy. But I still had a blast!~
    
    Sunday's show couldn't have been much better. I definitely think this
    was THE show of the series. Start to finish, all smiles :-) :-) :-) ;-)
    Maggies Farm was SO fun! Song of the night: I can't decide. I LOVED
    THIS SHOW!!!  The fact that we had GREAT seats and sound probably had
    alot to do with this. I've got similar seats Wednesday, so I'm psyched.
    
    Well, well, well, you can never tell..... :-)
    
    Steve-O
23.240"Ode" or "Jesu" -- beats me!DEDHED::SPINETom SpineMon Sep 23 1991 16:225
Lisa -- I don't know which it was, "Ode to Joy" or "Jesu, Joy of Man's
Desiring".  I'm not really too knowledgeable about classical -- you can
tell...I thought Ode was written by Bach!

tms
23.241a little more...ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryMon Sep 23 1991 16:2511
    not a lot to add but i will anyway! :^)
    
    for my part, i enjoyed saturday's show best, but i felt sunday's
    was a little better played...  friday was sweet but riiiiilllly
    mellow...  a very nice run indeed... :^)
    
    i love the banner in the ceiling celebrating the triumphant return!
    i have no problem seeing a tie died dead banner up with all those
    championship flags! :^)
    
    					da ve
23.242Iko scared me!NECSC::LEVYIn &amp; out of the Garden they go!Mon Sep 23 1991 16:4415
Well, I've had a WONDERFUL time!

Friday was sweet...Alan (my 10-year-old) had a wonderful time.

Saturday...what can I say?  9th row in front of Jerry and Bruce.  Drums/Space
was the spookiest and scariest I've every heard.  Definitely heard a 
"Shenandoah" in there.  Hornsby is superb.

Last night, IKO was really sort of scary.  I looked up at the balcony and the
whole thing was bouncing up and down at LEAST 6 inches.  "Tear this old
building down" definitely came to mind!!!

One night to get some rest, and then back at it!!

	~dave
23.243But what about the Garden?CAMONE::HURLBURTMon Sep 23 1991 16:5017
Is there a note in here about venues ;^)?  I went to Friday's show and was so
bummed out by the garden; crowd seen getting in (partially my fault for getting
there so late), dungeon like, the worst acoustics, very very smokey (my eyes
were burning!), poor ventilation, so many obstructed view/sound seats...etc
that I sold my tickets for Saturday!  Maybe I was spoiled by the GRATE time I
had at MSG last Friday and Saturday (my first time there, I was really impressed
by everything about MSG).  Then, to top it off, they played like six repeats 
from last Friday's and Saturday's shows as MSG.

Oh well, I did go to O'Briens (sp?) pub Saturday and saw the Candles.  Had a
grate time there!

Chuck

(PS I really did have a good time at the show despite the Garden :^) but what
does everybody think of that place?  Did anybody else get bummed out by the 
venue?)
23.244LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsMon Sep 23 1991 16:5112
	I'll have to listen to a CD I have with Jesu,... on it.
	I definitely know the song, it's one of my favorites
	(I become a classical_head in the Fall).

	Lisa


	PS tms - I heard on the radio that a Mark from Londonderry
	won tickets to a show this week and I got so excited for Exit_10,
	I was gonna call and tell him to call in but then I decided
	that it wasn't him (don't remember the last name but it wasn't his).
23.245yes but..WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Mon Sep 23 1991 17:0712
    Chuck....I was more "anxious" before going into the Garden than when
    I was in there....mainly past memories of other Boston Garden shows.
    Once I was in there I had a great time and was impressed with the 
    improvement of the sound..(I did have good seats..dead center floor
    infront of the sound board fri..4or5rows off the floor on sat.). What
    upsets me is that Boston should have a new indoor arena..and doesn't.
    Once you get in there with all the history and banners etc. you got to
    get excited.  The smoke and ventilation sucks...but thats the Garden
    and Boston does need a new one...but when it gets down to it I still
    had fun and all the negatives were miles away.
    
    rich
23.246SA1794::GLADUGMon Sep 23 1991 17:5713
re:  <<< Note 23.241 by ROULET::DWEST "Dont Overlook Something Extraordinary" >>>
       
>    i love the banner in the ceiling celebrating the triumphant return!
>    i have no problem seeing a tie died dead banner up with all those
>    championship flags! :^)
    
    Well, I think they should've shown a little courtesy and not covered
    up Dit Clapper's retired number. I mean, there *are* empty spots up
    there.
    
    bruins_fan_G
    
    ps - anyone notice the SYF flag fying on the roof outside the garden?
23.247Scarlet->Franklin's - bring it on!! 8^)MR4DEC::WENTZELLEstamos hermanos y hermanas [sic]Mon Sep 23 1991 18:1125
What a grate weekend!  3 shows, 2 sox games, and lots of good vibes!  I enjoyed 
Saturday's show most, but I thought Sunday's was better.  Friday was grate to, 
mostly because it was the first one of the run ;^).  The problem for Sunday 
was that we were under an overhang where is was HOT and smokey and lots of 
crowd noise.  Not that I didn't enjoy myself 8^) but I had more fun in the 
balcony on Saturday.  

RE: The Gahhden

In the balcony on Saturday something felt weird under my feet, so I stopped and 
and just stood there AS THE FLOOR UNDERNEATH ME SHOOK ALL OVER THE PLACE - the 
Dead and Co. were rocking the Gahden in every sense of the word!!!!!!  I was a 
little nervous being directly under that same spot the next night, especialy 
during Sampson and Iko!  Being a Boston native (and sports fan) who 
"appreciates" some of the history of the place, part of me would hate to see it 
go.  But actually being in there and having to deal with the place, I would 
love to see a "new" Garden, and one has been on the table for several years now.
Problem is politics and $$ (like who is going to pay for it).  I will go out 
on a limb and predict that the Boston Garden in it's current form will not 
exist in 10 years (maybe less).  So when the boyz are in here the year 2000 
we'll have a new venue!!!!!!!

3 DOWN 3 TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scott
23.249SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Sep 23 1991 18:414
So how was Nobody's Fault but Mine??

peace,
t!ng
23.250Can't picture THAT tune by the boyz!AWECIM::RUSSOMon Sep 23 1991 19:026
    
    >>So how was Nobody's Fault but Mine??
    
    a Led Zeppelin tune??
    
    :^)  Hogan
23.251LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsMon Sep 23 1991 19:1319
    
    >So how was Nobody's Fault but Mine??
    
	oh T!ng, it was sweet!!  It really just flowed in from He's Gone
	so well which is hard to imagine but Bruce definitely jazzed up
	the jam in He's Gone.  I know it probably isn't realistic but I
	kinda think Nobody's Fault was an accident and they just played 
	it because it fit so well with where they happened to be at that
	time.  Last night was one of those shows that .... well just one
	of those shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Jim Henderson and I were having such a wonderful time just smiling and
	laughing because we were so happy!!  It got so surreal that during
	space when we were trying to predict the rest of the set we decided
	they'd play "St. Stephen and a couple of Dark Stars, throw in a 
	Hard to Handle for good measure - maybe the encore"  :-)

I am still smiling - very LOUDLY!!  :-)

23.252FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Mon Sep 23 1991 19:1938
re:           <<< Note 23.249 by SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!" >>>

> So how was Nobody's Fault but Mine??

Great but short.   A nice finish to He's Gone went into a slow steady blues 
jam, and after a bit Jerry steps up to the mic and starts up with NFBM.  Big
surprise!   From my perspective (behind the stage in the corner, actually
decent sound) it was cut WAY too short when Bob started Spoonful.  Same
melody, same everything basically in those 2 tunes except for the words.
I'd much rather have seen them continue NFBM and jam it out a bit...

re: friday nights show

I didn't go, but my brother got the extra pair for his first show ever, and
man was he *psyched* beyond belief afterwards.  Ecstatic + amazed! ;-)
It was all he could talk about when I saw him yesterday.  "I've never seen or
experienced anything like it", "I had no idea it would be like *that*..."
"People were so nice", "Listening to the music I'd sort of go off in a trance"
(ayup ;-) "Words can't describe...".   I think he got on the bus!!!!   
[tapes needed]

re: sunday's show

Sunday was my only show of the run and tour (unless Hannankid #2 is born
tonite and I can score tix ;-).   I must say I was VERY happy with a great 
1st set!  Shakedown was obvious from the tuneup, and it was great to hear that +
Takes A Lot to Laugh, Maggies Farm, BE Women, Let It Grow!  Wow!!!  For
the 2nd set, things looked good with a real cranking Sampson and IKO, which
scorched.  Reminded me of a GREAT show from MSG 9/16/90 with an identical
lineup for the 1st 4 tunes.  For me though things went downhill with 
LL Rain->He's Gone, something which I seem to get more than enough lately.  
[Solution: see more shows which I hope to do ;-)]   He's Gone was nicely
done though, and NFBM was a treat but too short.

I really enjoyed The Last Time (first time for me) and man, did they *crank*
out Sugar Mag!  I love it when it gets to that level.

Ken
23.253SSGV02::STROBELNew Jack City SlickersMon Sep 23 1991 19:5922
had a fine time all three nights. Saw Jim and Lisa as Treemon and I searched for
some place we could see from. Glad to see I wasn't the only one who picked up
on Bruce playing a bit of Oh Danny Boy. I started signing it and got a few
strange looks. My only complaint was the ventilation, which has nothing to do
with the Dead. Now if only I can figure out that piano jam Bruce did with Mickey
and Bill Saturday night. My brother commented after Iko that he thought the 
balconies were going to drop.

the scene - pretty mellow after Friday. Did spot a couple of guys getting cuffed
by 2 undercover cops last night before the show. The undercover duo were 
poorly disguised (she had short blond hair with a wide woven headband, he had
a "don johnson" beard and a black backpack that said "save the chimps"). If
that's your scene, be wary of their presence.

sign me up for the tape tree, si vous plais


that's it for this run. Don't want to miss kinder #1 being born. Maybe I see Ken
at the delivery room tonight (some statistic about increased birth rate during 
full moons) tonight and we can skip off to the run looking for infant tiedyes!! 

jeff
23.254...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Sep 23 1991 20:3518
    re Dave Levy
    
    	Yah,. it was Shenendoah (I long to hear you..)
    
    	Scratch rthat comment about "As Time Goes By".... It was
    Shenedoah I was thinking of and put in the wrong title.
    
    	That Shenendoah melody is one that my mind/fingers always
    wander tyo when I'm doing my version of SPACE,... It was a real
    trip to hear/see Jerry do the same thing,.. I could feel it before
    he played it, ... and as he played it I was thinking to myself "He
    can't be playing that,...can he?",. and then he did! 
    
    	I guess you had to be there (inside my head that is)
    
    							/Bill
    	PS The ants are good
    
23.255SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Sep 24 1991 04:047
So did anyone hear who *started* into Nobody's Fault but Mine??  My theory
is that it was Bruce ;-).  Was it??

Ok, who's running that tape tree ;-)

peace,
t!ng
23.256SA1794::GLADUGTue Sep 24 1991 10:265
>So did anyone hear who *started* into Nobody's Fault but Mine??  My theory
>is that it was Bruce ;-).  Was it??

    Jerry started it. Bruce was still playing Dixie Chicken.
    
23.257there's gonna be a tree ...BOOKS::BAILEYBLet my inspiration flow ...Tue Sep 24 1991 11:388
    RE .253 & .255
    
    I'll be setting up a tape tree for the BG1 series ... GerG is providing
    the tapes.  Should be ready to roll in a few days.  I'll post a notice
    in the "Tape Trades" note sometime later this week ...
    
    								... Bob
    
23.258now just wait a minute - jerry's singingLANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeTue Sep 24 1991 11:396
>>    Jerry started it. Bruce was still playing Dixie Chicken.
    
and bob thought it was Spoonful until Jerry started to sing....

bob h that is....
:)
23.259FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Tue Sep 24 1991 11:3913
>>So did anyone hear who *started* into Nobody's Fault but Mine??  My theory
>>is that it was Bruce ;-).  Was it??
>
>    Jerry started it. Bruce was still playing Dixie Chicken.
    
	I agree.  From where we were sitting, corner backstage, we could
	see Jerry and the kbds clearly.   Bruce was playing Dixie Chicken
	licks here and there, while a bluesy beat developed/continued.
	
	During the bluesy jam Jerry steps slowly up to the mic and starts
	singing NFBM....

	Ken
23.260what did ya win Bob?BIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow is growing a beardTue Sep 24 1991 11:5614
digression alert.

hey bob hapgood, i could have sworn that i heard your named called on 101.1
last week, on friday, around 1 pm... they said that the following people had
something like 30 mins to call in;  Bob Hapgood from Milford.  don't remember
what the prize was... did you call in?  did you hear it?  is there another
bob happygood in milfid?

-----------

On sunday, I too was behind stage.  When jerry went in to NFBM, I couldn't
figure out what he was singing because the vocals were so mudddy.  i'll be
psyched to hear that one on tape....  at any rate, i was totally diggin' the
bluez jam that were on... i wish they stretched NFBM much, much longer...
23.261dunno JC????LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeTue Sep 24 1991 14:2225
      <<< Note 23.260 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "the rainbow is growing a beard" >>>
                             -< what did ya win Bob? >-
>hey bob hapgood, i could have sworn that i heard your named called on 101.1
>last week, on friday, around 1 pm... they said that the following people had
>something like 30 mins to call in;  Bob Hapgood from Milford.  don't remember
>what the prize was... did you call in?  did you hear it?  is there another
>bob happygood in milfid?

WOW JC, I didn't win anything!  Oh shit - at the riverfest I entered
some drawing in the rock 101 van ..  for a new car. no shit - 
so I don't listen to 101 (don't tell them) :)  They probably wanted me
to call back so I could enter a 2nd round like they sometimes do.

Was the prize a new car JC?  that would've been nice considering I'm 
looking at buying one now...

No other BOB hapgood's in Milford,  there's a David ... and there is
a Dr. Robert Hapgood at UNH...I get calls from his grad students every
now and again....	them:    well, how was my paper?  
			me:      I'm not the one you want to talk to.
	what I really wanna say: you call *that* a paper?

So JC,  remember that prize so I can say I almost won a car :)

bob
23.262CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Tue Sep 24 1991 14:2715
RE:      <<< Note 23.242 by NECSC::LEVY "In & out of the Garden they go!" >>>
                              -< Iko scared me! >-


>Saturday...what can I say?  9th row in front of Jerry and Bruce.  Drums/Space
>was the spookiest and scariest I've every heard.  Definitely heard a 
>"Shenandoah" in there.  Hornsby is superb.


 I *knew* I heard "Shenandoah" in there Saturday night..thanks Prob!




 Jim
23.263CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Tue Sep 24 1991 15:1220
RE:     <<< Note 23.251 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "child of countless dreams" >>>

    
   >	Jim Henderson and I were having such a wonderful time just smiling and
   >	laughing because we were so happy!!  It got so surreal that during
   >	space when we were trying to predict the rest of the set we decided
	
      
        A wonderful time indeed :^)   Space was a little hairy (all I could say
        was YIKES!!

        Stella Blue was beautiful.






 Jim

23.264I think the prize was a pair of season pass front row dead tix :-)BIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow is growing a beardTue Sep 24 1991 15:179
Unforetunately Bob, I don't recall the prize because I did not catch all of
it (I was in the middle of changing tapes).  I would have given you a ring,
but I was not heading to work w/in the time-frame that you had to call back.

Your name was listed with 3 or 4 others...

I freaked when I heard "Bob Hapgood from Milford"

JC
23.265VMPIRE::CLARKthe funk of 40,000 yearsTue Sep 24 1991 15:393
Jim and Lisa were together, and they were *happy*?

I guess ol' Beelzebub must be pulling on the woolen undies right about now ....
23.266ooooSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Tue Sep 24 1991 15:438
    re Beelzbub and his undies
    
    	:-)
    
    		very clever
    
    						/
    
23.267SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Sep 24 1991 19:291
Who's ol' Beelzebub??
23.268Red suit, horns and a pitch fork?SCAM::GRADYtim gradyTue Sep 24 1991 19:4914
    Re: Beelzebub
    
    Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, the Ultimate Bad Guy, Bad News, Hell's
    Angel, etc...
    
    also, in some circles, Tony Orlando, and whoever it was that did "Tie A
    Yellow Ribbon".  :-)
    
    As in 'When Hell freezes...'
    
    This is really my week for trivial pursuit! :-)
    
    tim
    
23.269it had to be that way....LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeWed Sep 25 1991 10:5423
Well well well you can never tell!

But I told ya so!  I was using the / method of set prediction -
This method is:  "If you ain't gonna be there then list what you
would want to hear....they'll play it!"

:)

new speedway	(I wanted to hear this and haven't yet..)
*Dark star      (ditto - maybe I'll get another verse or jam in the next 2 
		 nights).

so / ole buddy!  your method works!
:) :) :)
and to think - as I sat in school in Lowell last that they were 
playing new speedway and as I was driving home listening to 'zlx
talk radio that they were playing dark star....

and MIKE!  I thought you were gonna tell em to hold off for me till
wednesday!  

:)
bob
23.270LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeWed Sep 25 1991 10:5611
          <<< Note 23.269 by LANDO::HAPGOOD "now we play for life" >>>

>and to think - as I sat in school in Lowell last that they were 
>playing new speedway and as I was driving home listening to 'zlx
>talk radio that they were playing dark star....

and to think - I had tickets and let em go so I wouldn't have to 
skip a class.....

whew!  I better quit thinkin'
bob
23.271Playin' Hookie :-)CSLALL::SMARTINDead SoxWed Sep 25 1991 11:248
    
    
    
    
    I'm glad that I skipped class last night.  ;-)
    
    
    Steve-O
23.27209-24-91 reviewBIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow is growing a beardWed Sep 25 1991 12:3370
Boston Garden, Septemter 24, 1991

	We got into the Garden without much of a hassle at all.  The guy
frisking people at checkpoint #1 asked what was in one of my pockets.  After I
showed him the pens and paper I had there, he let me by.

	The show opened with a rather weak Let The Good Times Roll.  This
song just does not seem to get the show going like it used to back in the
Brent days.  The next 4 songs, Feel Like A Stranger, Althea, All Over Now, 
and High Time, just never seemed to materialize.  No musician seemed motivated
to lead the band.  It seems as if the boyz were just doing their job 
plodding through the songs.  BIODTL had more "umph" than anything up to this
point.  This song cooked right along, but, not as hot as times past.  BIODTL
lead into Big RxR Blues which cruised right along also.  For me, I think
this song was the high light of the first set.  There were some nice jams by
Jerry and Bruce.  To quiet things down a bit, Bob chose to play Desolation
Row.  Not knowing this song by heart, I'm not sure if he forgot or messed
up the words.  They just plodded through Desolation Row, waiting for it to
be over.  The set closed with New Speedway Boogie;  Jerry made a good effort
to end set I on a good note -- something, I feel, did not happen.  Crowd
participation during this song was high, as expected.

	Second set opened up with an OK China->Rider.  The band was still
not completely together, which doesn't really matter for this pair of tunes
because of the way China->Rider just tends to cook by itself.  Jerry belted
out a nice jam in during the transition between songs.  Woman Are Smarter
really had some decent momentium and had the crowd in a frenzy.  There were
times when the crowd noise over-powered the music.  Things mellowed out with
an OK Ship Of Fools -- again, I think the band just sort of plodded through
the song.  After a bit of fooling around, Dark Star was next.  I thought
the Dark Star should have been saved for a night when the boyz were on.  I
thought it was a rather un-inspired rendition;  only 1 verse was sung, I
expect them to finish it on Thursday.  

	Drumz/Space was decent!  This is when the show started getting better.
Drumz/Space was not too long, but long enough to entertain folks ... Mikey
really pounded on the big drumz in the back generating these huge bass 
sounds that shook the Gahdin.  Space was interesting; during space, A guy
came on stage and tuned/hooked up a different bass for Phil.  I thought we
might get The Wheel out of space early on, but I proved to be wrong.  Foolish
Heart came out of space.  Jerry DROVE this tune from start to finish.  It
seems that he was not happy with the earlier parts of the show and finally
decided to lead the band.  And, a fine job he did!  Foolish heart was played
with detail and much smoothness.  Jerry did not give the opportunity for
others in the band to even think about taking a solo.  Foolish Heart was
the high light for me and clearly showed that when the boyz get it together,
they can really put out some fine music.  Miracle followed.  Bob did a great 
job belting the song out.  The light show really complemented this song well 
and the crowd was quite excited.  Standing on the Moon was really beautiful.
Jerry delicately played some wonderful guitar with the appropriate intensity
at the optimum moment.  Again, with precision, Jerry led the band all the 
way through a very fine rendition.  The Boston crowd even gave Jerry a little 
more respect than usual by keeping somewhat quiet during this slow, delicate, 
song.  I can't decide if I liked this better or Foolish Heart; in either case, 
both songs were led with determination by Jerry.  The set closed with a 
hoping, bluesy version of Around and Around.  Bob was a bit more mellow than 
usual on the vocals (probably due to so many shows!) and Jerry delivered some 
great bluesy licks during the jam.  In away, Jerry drove this song similarly 
to Foolish Heart and Standing On The Moon.

	The encore was The Weight.  A nice way to end the show with Bruce,
Jerry, Phil and Bob each taking a verse and the last verse sung by all.

	All in all, the show never seemed to materialize until after drums.
The band just did not seem together or really into playing.  I'm not sure
what Jerry said during the drumz break, but whatever it was, it sure had a
large impact on the music.  After drumz was tight, energetic music in the
style mastered only by the Grateful Dead.

	JC
23.273CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Wed Sep 25 1991 13:0011

 Did anybody else feel the floor vibrating from Phil towards the end of 
Standing on the Moon?  Yowza!!






Jim
23.2749-24-91 another view :^)ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryWed Sep 25 1991 13:1764
    wow...  i guess it just goes to show you how different people can have
    totally different shows...  if not for the setlist, i would swear that
    JC and i were at two different shows! :^) :^) :^)  personally, i liked
    mine better...  :^)
    
    my comments for this show could best be summed up in one word...
    
    				wow.....  :^)
    
    
    i liked the Good Times...  i thought vocally that they were on it and
    that it was a very happy tune...  (of course, i am the one who was
    really psyched in here to see it in set lists again so that shouldn't
    be a surprise)...  it's different now without Brent but that's because
    Brent was such a strong presence with his organ and voice that his
    impact couldn't be denied...  different yes, but no worse off now that
    we have new faces there...  it ended kind of funny i thought-kind of
    off key or something (it seemed like Jerry thought so too-i thought he
    was laughing)...  Feels Like a Stranger was one i had been expecting
    since Friday...  i figured it has been so long since they were at the 
    Garden that we would definitley get that one...  for me, it was worth
    waiting for..  Althea seemed really sweet to me...  it's one of those
    song i don't tire of easily...  All Over Now didn't seem as tight as
    the preceding ones but it was fun, and again, i thought Jerry looked
    llike he was enjoying this one...  High Time was also really sweet... 
    not the best i'd heard but very nice...  biodtl and rrbloooz smoked!
    biodtl just started suddenly and it was like Jackie Gleason had done
    his trademark "and awaaaaay we go!" cuz we were off in a big way...
    Desolation Row was long and pretty...  i kept thinking that the tapers
    must have been going nuts with it due to its length...  anyone get
    caught by the flip?  (i think this is my fav Dylan tune that they
    do)...  nooo speedway boogie was fun!  the ending got a little screwey
    and once more i thought i could hear Jerry laughing a little while
    singing...  a long, and imho, monster first set....
    
    i was very psyched to hear the opening strains of China->rider... 
    kudo's to the boys on the bridge fron one to the next...  very nicely
    done i thought...  Women Smarter was a definite crowd pleaser...
    Ship of Fools i thought was beautiful and loved every second...
    then Dark Star!!!!!  my first one and i was thrilled!!!  did anyone
    see me floating gently above the crowd on this one?  for all i know i
    may have sailed right out of the arena for a few moments!!  it would
    take me a week to describe the places i visited...  :^)  :^)  :^)
    Drumz was nice but ended abruptly...  Mickey lost his stix and that
    pretty much brought it to a halt...  no drums->space last night.,... 
    drums ended and then silence and then space...  i decided that dancing
    would be easier if i re-entered my body for foolish heart so i did! :^)
    i been feeling the need for miracles lately-both making them and taking
    advantage of them, and i got it!  :^)  Standing on the Moon got me that
    warm-all-over feeling again and then a round and round closed things
    out...  (not one of my favs...  i get that one a lot and it doesn't
    impress a lot anymore)...   the weight was a wondderful close to a
    grate show for this boy...
    
    bottom line???  i think this is the show i have been looking for this
    trip!!!!  i'm still high from it today in spite of my lack of sleep...
    first comment i got from my co-workers today? "you look like you had
    fun last night!" :^)  :^)  :^)  i was going to skip tonight and
    thursday...  after last night i think i am changing my planzzzzz...
    (i'll still miss thursday cuz i already gave my ticket away so someone
    else could go to at tleast one show this trip...  i thik i'll keep my
    tonight though! :^)
    
    				one happy da ve :^)  :^)  :^)
23.275VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenWed Sep 25 1991 13:212
    Oh man... I was at YOUR show Dave and it was GREAT.
    mary
23.276metoo!ZENDIA::LARUgoin to GracelandWed Sep 25 1991 13:345
    Me too...  I had an excellent time! :-)))
    
    /bruce
    
    I woulda liked a faster biodtl, though...
23.277I'd give it about a C+ ...BOOKS::BAILEYBLet my inspiration flow ...Wed Sep 25 1991 13:539
    I had a grate time ... but I agree with JC's show review. I thought
    it was a well played concert, but it was fairly low energy.   IMO, the
    boyz are tired ... especially Jerry.  At times I thought he was just
    going thru the motions ... the notes were right, but the energy level
    just wasn't there.  There were some high points ... for me those were
    Desolation Row and Chinacat/Rider.
    
    ... Bob
    
23.278not too much too fast, thoughCIVIC::ROBERTSSolyent Green is PeopleWed Sep 25 1991 14:0112
    
    great grate grate ... so far I've loved it all.   Sunday nite ..
    Bobby's body and voice moved from center stage to center of the room ..
    pretty good trick!  It was during "LLR", did any one else see
    that???!??!!  
    Last night I heard Bruce play Sounds of Silence somewhere late in the
    second set - not sure where as I've lost my map of reality. Also heard
    Johnny B Goode around that same time.
    
    too much of anything is just enough
    
    carol
23.279MANANA::GRABAZSshall we go, you and I, while we can?Wed Sep 25 1991 14:2815
	the show -I- was at last night was just PURE BLISS...
	I felt it was heavenly and that I wanted to stay in
	that state forEVER...my soul feels full...aahhhhh...
	I needed that and it feels so good...

	I'll try to comment more later...words kind of escape
	me this morning...but one thing, last night we had
	excellent seats, we were right down there with them,
	we could see their faces and see their hands and I
	have to say they looked HAPPY, energetic and completely
	on the same plane as me!

	Debess

23.280LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeWed Sep 25 1991 14:4410
DA VE!!!!!!!!!!

>    fun last night!" :^)  :^)  :^)  i was going to skip tonight and
>    thursday...  after last night i think i am changing my planzzzzz...

don't do it buddy!  look what happened when I played hookie from the dead
to avoid playin' hookie from school...stewpid me.

:)
bob
23.281LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeWed Sep 25 1991 14:4612
           <<< Note 23.278 by CIVIC::ROBERTS "Solyent Green is People" >>>

>    Bobby's body and voice moved from center stage to center of the room ..
>    pretty good trick!  It was during "LLR", did any one else see
>    that???!??!!  


I'll bet /man saw it :)

hey now / I'll never forget the nose story!
:)
bob
23.282LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsWed Sep 25 1991 14:5223

I was at your show da ve!!  Not the high point of the run for me (Sunday is
definitely my tops) but a very fun show.  Where we were sitting we had
excellent view!!  We were in the first row of the balcony.  It was a little
frightening at times (like when you didn't have to dance but moved in beat with
the floor) but definitely a wonderful spot ... despite Jim's theory that short
people would be bounced right off.  :-)  Anyway the point of all this is to
mention what I could see on stage ... and that was the boys HAVING FUN!  Jerry
(in his sweats!!) was laughing at Bob at the beginning of BIODTL and then spent
the rest of the evening looking over at Bruce and smiling.  Damn, he loves
playing with Bruce!  Bruce will do something and Jerry will smile which fires
Bruce up and causes him to bolt out his music which in turn fires Jerry up and
very soon the whole band has the fever!  And I love how Bruce just sits back
and pounds on that piano, so relaxed looking!  He must have long arms!!!  :-) I
am definitely liking Bruce more and more this tour!!  Then Drums ... who else
saw Mickey dancing in the very beginning when Billy was playing solo?  He
wasn't just bouncing - he was DANCING (flailing arms and everything!)  :-) 
Then when he stopped he transferred that energy into his music.  ;^) 

They were having so much fun last night!!!  And watching it all, I could do 
nothing but have a blast myself!  

23.283BIODTL::FERGUSONthe rainbow is growing a beardWed Sep 25 1991 15:2127
	I too like Bruce.  He fits in very well.  Sometimes, I get the feeling
that Vinny is somewhat neglected; perhaps he is still trying to cut a groove
for himself.  BUT, Bruce and Jerry -- they definitely get each other excited.
Jerry will jam, then Bruce hams it up, and then Jerry has to jam again! 
During Des. Row, I think bruce was playing the accordian; he did a jam on the
accordian, then, moved to his piano and did a jam there!!!  He is a very
good musician...

	It is interesting to different viewpoints, especially when the
experiences vary by a large margin, as in this case.  There are many variables
that make or break a show I guess -- sometimes it is the music, where you
are sitting, whether or not security is telling people to move the whole time,
you state of mind (a biggie), your expectations, etc... 

	I thought sunday was a great show -- even though I was sitting behind
stage where the sound was terrible (very muddy).  from what i could tell, the
show was really nice -- sure wish I would have had seats that were in front.
But, that is the way that show went... last night, I had very good seats.
Straight back, section 46, row H.  No obstructions, and the sound was OK.
but, I did not think tuesday's show was as nice as sunday's show.  just goes
to show that some bad variables (behind stage, poor sound for sunday) don't
have an effect on a show's outcome....
	
	geez, psychologists must have a tough time figuring out what makes
this machine tick!!

	JC
23.284BCSE::ABBOTBan stupidityWed Sep 25 1991 15:2620
    The best Dead show is always the one you're at!
    It certainly didn't seem like a "let's get this over with" show to me. 
    As the first show I've seen with Bruce and Vince, it's nice to see them
    both adding their own styles. Not the same as what Brent would have
    done, but change keeps the band young. I'd still like more Vince in the
    mix, both vocals and keyboards. Desolation Row was definitely his song
    though. Jerry's voice was in fine shape, and it was nice to see him not
    lighting up between songs. My appreciation for Bruce has really gone
    up, the grand piano is as nice as the Keith and Donna days without
    Donna (but Vince could probably hit her notes and actually be in the
    same key as the others).
    
    Lots of treats for me: New Speedway Boogie, China > Rider, DARK STAR!,
    Standing on the Moon, and a perfect ending with The Weight.
    
    I'm glad I don't see more shows, it makes me appreciate shows like this
    even more.
    
    Scott
    
23.285LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsWed Sep 25 1991 15:318

I know what you mean JC - there is no right or worng when you are dealing with 
opinions and feelings anyway.  Lots of personal things can make a big influence
on your good time.  For example, despite the fact that I was sitting with Jim
had a good time both nights.  :-)  Go figure,............

;^)
23.286:^)CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Wed Sep 25 1991 15:4616

RE:     <<< Note 23.285 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "child of countless dreams" >>>



>on your good time.  For example, despite the fact that I was sitting with Jim
>had a good time both nights.  :-)  Go figure,............


 What better company could there be?




 Jim
23.287Standing on the balconyEBBCLU::SMITHWed Sep 25 1991 16:0821
    I enjoyed last night but I can agree that I thought the energy level
    was low but the actual music was beautiful.  I was all the way back
    on the balcony (along the hallway) the sound was loud and the visuals
    were great, I could see so well considering I was far from my assigned
    seat.  Of all the four shows so far, SUNDAY was the most energetic,
    incredible performance I have seen the band belt in this past year.
    The bluesy stuff, the country stuff, the Bobby stuff, It just really
    torched.  That was the second time I've seen Last Time and that version
    was so bluegrassy, I loved it, I have to agree waith Lisa there.  
    I enjoyed Standing on The Moon so much.  There wasn't a dry eye around
    me, is that song sorta sad or is it just my imagination?
    
    If anyones seat is so incredibly sucky they can't stand it, just head up
    to the rear of the balcony, no one is going to kick you out of the
    isle and the dancing up there is usually very energetic, the view
    and the sound is superb.  
    
    
                                                Deane
    
    						
23.288WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Wed Sep 25 1991 16:3113
    Short and brief.....BOY LAST NIGHT WAS FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN...
    gotta agree with Lisa (hope I was not rude last night) and da ve
    Jerry was smiling and havin a good old time and yes he did drive
    them at times but it did create the right affect which I think 
    he was looking for for those two tunes.....I can't wait for tooonite
    I normally am a shuffler and not a big dancer ...last night I was 
    bouncin and groovin and was all over the place..along with everyone 
    else near me...I did not see the floor move but watched the balcony
    jump a few inches (nice).......
    
    see yall 
    
    rich (who has been in meetings since 8:30)
23.289MANANA::GRABAZSI spent a little time on the mountain...Wed Sep 25 1991 16:42134
	the last time I saw the Dead before last night was Foxboro
	July 90.  I haven't seen them in person since Brent died
	and Vince and Bruce joined the band.  Last night was my own
	personal mourning again with the band there to help me AND
	it was my own personal welcome to the new band...and, it's
	been a very rough year for me with the war still hanging 
	heavy on my heart so I felt a deep need for some illumination.

	and I got it!  I got it all!  All the emotions and more.
	I could feel the music and see the band and hear the sounds
	that speak to me so well...and taste the sweat on my lips
	from dancing in that sweat pit!  It was all very cleansing
	on every level.

	The banners hanging in back of the band were beautiful and subtle.
	Clouds which took on different moods depending on the lighting.
	The lighting was phenomenal.  Just excellent.  I wish I could
	remember today some of the combinations and which songs they
	went with.  Early on they were using pink and yellow and it
	gave this very surreal effect to me of being in a comic book!
	The sound was excellent from where I was sitting...crisp, clear,
	sometimes I would just face the speakers to let the sound enter
	my body more fully...

	The last thing I wrote here yesterday before leaving for
	Boston was "Let the Good Times ROLL!!!!"...I told the folks
	around me that I felt that would open the show.  A cosmic beginning!
	"...if it takes all night long"

	With "Feels Like a Stranger", I too felt that it was about being
	back in Boston...it seemed like another welcoming song to me for
	the evening ahead..."long, long, crazy, crazy night"

	"Althea" was the first of Jerry's VERY soulful renditions of the
	evening...the mood put me in mind of Brent, not the words so much
	but the mood...my own little personal mourning you see...

	I got my Bobby fix from "All Over Now".  Bruce was just banging
	away on this one.

	THEN, it started sooooo sloowwwly...what are they playing?
	"You told me goodbye..." "High Time"!  Phew.  That tugged a few
	of my heartstrings...no that's not accurate...it was a religious
	experience!

	Then, BOOM, RIGHT into "Beat it on Down the Line"...no introductory
	beats, just RIGHT into it.  Talk about jostling you out of a mood!
	They just carried me right along with them...from slow down 
	introspective to rock out shake your bones...this place I was in
	last night was indeed my happy home...

	"Big Railroad Blues" was FUN!  

	"..the circus is in town..." "Desolation Row" is such a great
	song with so much imagery...I love it.  Last night I was more
	caught up in the sound than the words.  I had trouble focussing
	on the words...it seemed to me that Bobby's voice was all
	distorted (was it just me ;-} )...it was very spacy...Bruce
	brought out his accordian here and it just swirled and lifted
	me...Vince was also playing swirls on the organ, kindof carnival-like.

	"New Speedway Boogie"!  Fun!  Great!  Dance and sing!


	"Chinacat Sunflower  ->  I Know You Rider" set my expectations
	up high for another intense set.  Ever since Europe '72, this
	has been one of my favorite combos.  From space subtlely switching
	to what? rock? gospel?!? ;-)

	Then for that "southern hemisphere" beat we were treated to
	"Woman are Smarter"...that's right...sometimes it would seem to
	me like the chairs would disappear and the floor would turn into
	one huge dance floor...this was one of those times...

	"Ship Of Fools" really answered my "What the f*ck are we doing,
	People of the World" questions...it just all made perfect sense 
	to me right then...let's stop fighting, let's stop polluting, let's
	start loving one another...yep, it all made perfect sense to me...
	I felt it...I felt that everyone around me felt it...I felt the
	whole Garden felt it...I felt all of Boston felt it...!

	"Dark Star"...this is my aaahhhhhhh I've been feeling ever since.
	I actually thought that there would be no way to put into words
	what happened last night...but here I am doing it.  This felt
	very very good inside...

	Drums was funny, yes, funny!   Mickey was dancing to Bill's
	frenzied beats and then they started banging away on their
	hanging set.  At one point, Mickey turned to the crowd with
	his "banger" raised in the air with a look on his face of
	"okay, I'm waiting for you out there to let me know when to
	hit the drum" and we sent the message to him and he smiled,
	turned around, BAANNNG, and we were making the music too!
	I thought he threw the stick up in the air at the end and then
	danced off the stage...

	Space was truly intense and wonderful for me.  Most folks on
	the floor sat at this point.  I couldn't.  I was, through some
	force, MADE to keep standing.  This was great.  I was so close
	to the stage and this was the only point where there was no
	one standing between me and the band.  The feeling I had
	as I took a quick look around was...remember in "Close Encounters"
	where a select few people are DRAWN to the site?...I felt like
	one of the select few being DRAWN in...could they see me?  I don't
	know.  I felt like we were looking into eachother...

	"Foolish Heart" brought me back to earth with some good ol'
	Grateful Dead music...dance, dance, dance....release that energy...	
	again.

	"I Need a Miracle" was GREAT...usually it's not a song I'm
	especially fond of, but last night, well, the energy was intense.
	I think they stopped singing in the choruses to let the crowd
	sing instead.  And WE DID!

	Oh, "Standing on the Moon" was soooooooooooo beautiful.  We
	hugged and swayed and kissed and cried...

	"Round and Round" ended the set with some good rock'n'roll.
	We had a good view of Bruce...I think this is really his element...
	But the whole band was all smiles on this one...they left the
	stage kind of reluctantly it looked like to me ("should we stay
	or should we go!"), smiling and bopping as they went...

	waiting for the encore, I couldn't imagine what way they would
	end that beautiful intense evening.  "The Weight"...perfect.
	The crowd sang the chorus in parts and I think they could hear
	that.  They stood there and sang their hearts out to us.  It
	felt so good.

	I couldn't sit down on the subway back and I couldn't stop
	smiling for hours (my cheeks hurt!)

	Debess
23.290Take two grains of salt, then read this replySTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Sep 25 1991 17:0751
    Wellllllll
    
    	My show was cloiser to JC's version. It seemed to me that
    Jerr was sleep walking through the first set. Check your tapes,
    he didn't take any extended solo in any of the first set tunes.
    He blew 1/2 a verse and the complete bridge to Althea (you all
    remember teh bridge part right?: There are things you can replace...
    this space is getting hot) That is the climax of that song and he 
    didn't even try to play it. It was also his first "soulful" song
    	as Debess said,.. but to me it didn't jive. It was also the point
    	in the show where Ifelt it was time for them to either start
    	jamming good,.. or else...???
    
    	Anyway,. after blowing that,.. Bob did some stuff,.. Jerry did some
    stuff,. but still didn't take any solos. I thought maybe they'd wake
    	up with BIODTL (yeah,.,.. absoluitely zero pre-beats,... is that
    	a first?) and it did show signs of flashing,,.. if not quite
    	"on fire yet,.. and my hopes were rising,. and when Jerry didn't
    	hetate to start was it Big RxR,.. I can't remember now,.. it was
    anoter rocker whatever it was ,.. and I thought to myself "Aaah here we
    go,.. Bobby showed him the light and now Jerry knows that some nice
    easy Rock and Roll will get the flames going,.. but still ,.. again
    	showing onily flashes,. bigger flashes,.. but still not catching
    	fire,.... Rest of set went by without anything that blew me away.
    	It was nice to hear New Speedway Boogie,.,,,
    
    	Second set,.. China Rider,. what an improvement over the first
    	set. Finally they seemed to be playing! rather than sleep walking.
    	Good sold rendition,.. I agree with JC,.. not the hottest,.. but
    given the first set I was very pleased and started getting hopeful
    	for a much better second set. Then IKO,..oops,.. make that Women
    	are smarter (same tune,. different words :-) This was the first solo
    	Jer really bit into,.. and the song didi cook. I was pleased.
    	Then what? ,,, well moving right along to Dark Star,.. I would have
    	expected thme to save that for a "hotter night",.. but what the
    	hey,.. my first Dahk Stah,.. and it wasn't bad. :-) Drums was
    	cool,.. yes Mickety was dancing ,... looked like a little kid who
    	just got his favoriute toy for Christmas. While the thought is in
    	my head I just gotta say that Mickey is the "steadiest" of the boyz
    IMHO. He always seems to do a decent show,,.. regardless of what else
    	happens around him. The fourth quarter was better too,.. Foolish
    Heart had some nice moments. Standing on the Moon is not a personal
    	favorite,.. but one of the best moments was the ending of that
    tune. What next I forget... anyway,.. Round -n- Round "didn't,.. 
    and "the Weight" did :-)
    
    	All in all,,,. I give it a 4.
    
    							/
    
    	Jerry really bit into,.. and it 
23.291If they don't already know, how will they understand?MILPND::CROWLEYDavid Crowley, Chief Engineer's OfficeWed Sep 25 1991 17:1216
re .289

Debess,

Thanks for the soulful sharing.  I was an avid fan of the dead twenty years
ago, and your words made me remember every show -- and why this band has 
its unique bond with its fans -- even though I haven't seen them since '76.

My 17-year old is going to her first show on Thursday.  She's worn a deeper 
groove in all my old LPs, and she'll soon know what the band is really all
about.  

I always thought it would be impossible to convey the experience to her, 
but your words do it justice.  I'll print her a copy, and maybe one for 
myself too.  My cheeks remember...
					--djc-- 
23.292CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Wed Sep 25 1991 17:3022
RE:     <<< Note 23.290 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
               -< Take two grains of salt, then read this reply >-

   >    He blew 1/2 a verse and the complete bridge to Althea (you all
   > remember teh bridge part right?: There are things you can replace...
   > this space is getting hot) That is the climax of that song and he 
   > didn't even try to play it. It was also his first "soulful" song
    


     I thought this part of Althea was missing, but I thought maybe I just
     spaced it out while wondering about the wobbling thing we were standing
     on..



     I thought I missed the "circus is in town" line in Desolation Row too..




Jim
23.2939/24: Well doneSPICE::PECKARPlayin' to the tideWed Sep 25 1991 18:2858
	Here are some breif comments from the deep recesses of my own mind's 
experience of last nights show, sorry if they can't elicit as much feeling as 
Debess's comments.  :-)  (btb, Hiya Dave Crowley!)...

	Yes, general levels of energy were low, and if thats what you go to the
shop looking for, you were likely to be disappointed last night. However, I
felt that there was a general "tightness" to the band in the first set. Not a
high quality of performance-type tightness, but more of a "paying attention"
-type tightness. This is in comparaison to shows I've seen over the last year
or two, however, and since last night was my first dead show since spring, its
hard for me to tell if the "band cohesion" I sensed was a show-specific
phenomenon, or that the band just seems to be working better together in
general-like. Specifics: LTGTR always get me psyched, I think its a superb set
opener. Stranger really propelled me, and the balcony where I sat rocked more
strongly for this tune than any other song played last night. Althea was a
little weak, but Jer's voice was very strong. The rest of the set had a solid
performance consistence to it, a settled-into-playing kind of space where it
seemed as iff the boys could just keep playing and playing forever. Desolation
is a song which Bobby seems to want us to learn. He really seems to be
emphasizing the lyrical delivery like "I'm trying to get across a message to
all you people, so listen up, y'hear".  Last night got me curious about those
lyrics, maybe I should take a look... 	From my seats, I could clearly see
Healy's new toys. He's got a full blown 30 or 40 LED spectrum analyser which is
quite hypnotising to his left rear side. I noticed he has still got some
getting used to work to do, particularly in the vocal mix. 	

	Second set was less impressive than the first for me. I guess I was
getting tired and I noticed Rachel was getting a bit tired too, and that
affected me a bit. China was standard, rider was excellently delivered, with
agian, very strong lyrical delivery from Jerry. Bobby seemed to get caught up
in that as well. Or it might have been vice versa, I wasn't paying that close
attention to the stage. Woman smarter was a welcome dancing tune, but not
delivered with a lot of energy. Hornsby's accordianating just didn't jel like
it could have and has in the past. Ship of fools followed then a Dark Star
which to me, was predictable. The set lists have been showing an awful lot of
jamming and noodling-type stuff pre drums lately, thats all. It never ceases to
amaze me how Jerry so controlledly leads the whole band in and out of
constructive and destructive improvisation, which he did several times before
the drums segment. 

	Mickey did a grate job whaling on the Big Drums last night, I always
love when you can catch the lights making patterns off those big drums; truly a
psychadelic experience. Space was very mellow and sweet, one of the most
melodically pleasing space explorations I've heard; just plain relaxing with an
occaasional Beethoven noodle and the ever-so-slightest suggestion of Uncle
John's. Foolish was surprise for me and miracle was dissappointment, only
because miricle is so damned over played. The embellished flourish at the end
of Standing on the Moon was a nice treat which said to me "Jer really likes
this ballad" and reminded me of the kind of extended endings sometimes given to
a Terrapin, I don't why, it was very different than that. Round & Round was
also a surprise, I figured the boys had payed enough, but again, it just never
got me to "rise outta me seat", too bad, such a high-energy type tune wasted on
the kind of more "methodical" performance that was played last nite. A Promised 
Land, or even (dare I say it) a U.S. Blues would have been more appropriate.

See Y'all tonight!!!

23.294on to tonihght with cosmic bells on!STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Sep 25 1991 18:3511
    Well whatever else happened,... this show has gottne the most
    reviews. I know she wasn't there,.. but maybe we should ask Ting what
    she thought of this show to get the official score!!!! :-)
    
    	Seriously though folks,.. lets get psychde!!!!!!
    
    	The boiyzezezezsss takesseses the statttatsgeggegsge again
    	in like 4 hours :-) ;-) :-) :-)
    
    				/
    
23.295FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUNMR4DEC::WENTZELLEstamos hermanos y hermanas [sic]Wed Sep 25 1991 18:4613
    	>The boiyzezezezsss takesseses the statttatsgeggegsge again
    	>in like 4 hours :-) ;-) :-) :-)
    
8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^)

I wrote a review but temporalily lost it (my brain is still in the Gahden) but 
personally I'm on the WOW!!!! side of the fence.  Definately my favorite show 
of the first four, whether it was the best played or not!  8^) 8^)

Scott

PS - Only took me 6 tries for a Dark Star (hopefully we'll get the rest of it 
on Thursday)!!
23.296XANADU::GRABAZSI spent a little time on the mountain...Wed Sep 25 1991 19:218
>    I know she wasn't there,.. but maybe we should ask Ting what
>    she thought of this show to get the official score!!!! :-)

	I saw T!ng there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	And I've never met her so how did I know it was her ;-)

	Debess

23.297SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed Sep 25 1991 20:5413
>	I saw T!ng there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>	And I've never met her so how did I know it was her ;-)

I *was* there in spirit 8-)!!  Also don't forget the other possibilities:
1) All chinese people look alike ;-) or 2) it was my evil twin sister
playing twicks on all my deadhead fwiends ;-) or 3) Debess, come down!!
Come down from wherever you are!  Hello??  Debess?? ;-)

peace,
t!ng

p.s.  Have a good time, y'all, and please do some dancing for me too 8-).

23.298fog is really thick this morningSPICE::PECKARPlayin' to the tideThu Sep 26 1991 10:1911

..don't remember too much at this g*d-awful hour. "that would be something" is 
the blues standard that Paul McCartney once covered. Jerry only sang about 
half a verse of it.  The jam into it was the same "mystery jam" that was played
last spring as a jam after Terrapin, only with frequent suggestions of GDTRFB 
throughout. 
	Funny thing was, I was thinking about that Albany Jam as the boys came 
out terrapin just before drums. Guess I willed that little new song intro! :-)

See ya tonight if I can survive this all day meeting from hell...
23.299tell em jerrySMAUG::BLATTThu Sep 26 1991 11:504
well i guess if paul could do it, so could jerry !

baby im amazed,
lew
23.300CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Thu Sep 26 1991 12:4511

I knew I heard GDTRFB in there somewhere last night...big conversation on the
Orange line last night was that McCartney tune (and the door from hell that
wouldn't close) and what was the name of it..the verse was so short that Jerry
did I forgot what he sang :^/




Jim
23.301get your hair out of the door!MANANA::GRABAZSshe had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons...Thu Sep 26 1991 12:509
>(and the door from hell that
>wouldn't close) 

Jim, I was on that T too, along with tms...did you hear us laughing
hysterically!?!  That ride was TOO MUCH!

Debess


23.302MANANA::GRABAZSshe had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons...Thu Sep 26 1991 13:0017
	last night was not quite the spiritual experience that
	I had on Tuesday ;-)... but, nonetheless, I have to say
	that I have this happy happy feeling to be so lucky to
	be someone to whom Grateful Dead's music speaks to
	my soul... I just LOVE that feeling of being there in
	that huge room with them pouring out their souls to us
	and having it flow right into mine...

	last night was very, very different from the night before...
	lots of experimentation...weird wonderful stuff...

	my favorite part of the show was the opening of the second
	set...VICTIM OR THE CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!...it was intense it
	was dark it was out there...and the light show...beautiful!

	Debess

23.303CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Thu Sep 26 1991 13:0219
RE:   <<< Note 23.301 by MANANA::GRABAZS "she had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons..." >>>
                      -< get your hair out of the door! >-


>Jim, I was on that T too, along with tms...did you hear us laughing
>hysterically!?!  That ride was TOO MUCH!


 Didn't hear ya laughing, but I bumped into tms and exit 10 who indicated it
was a fun ride for y'all :^)  Sounds like youse had fun up in sec 99!  





Jim


23.304happy I was there!GOOROO::CLARKare we not men?Thu Sep 26 1991 13:396
    last night's show was incredible. The best show I've seen in a 
    long time. seamless transitions and great jams. Lots of energy.
    TS/NFA was hot. Crazy Fingers was pretty and twisted all over the
    place. Terrapin was hot. Great after a pointless 8- hour offsite.
    
    - Dave
23.305love theme from West Side StoryDEDHED::SPINETom SpineThu Sep 26 1991 14:009
One thing I noticed missing from the setlist in the setlist note --
Set II didn't *start* with "Victim or the Crime" -- it really started
with Bruce playing around with the love theme from West Side Story
("Maria"?).  Bruce played with it for a while ("Oh Maria, Maria...")
and then the whole band picked it up and jammed it into "Victim".

Twisted! ;-)

tms
23.306MORE FUNMR4DEC::WENTZELLEstamos hermanos y hermanas [sic]Thu Sep 26 1991 14:1334
Well, so far these shows have just been getting better and better!!! And longer 
and longer too!!!  I never would have guessed the opener, it was such a nice 
surpise!  It seemed to me that they blew through Help->Slip quickly to get 
into Franklin's (to make up for not playing it on Friday) and Jerry was 
bouncing all over the place!  It cooked!  I'm short of time (and brainpower ;^) 
right now so quickly let me say the first set was very hot.   Every song was 
played with energy and emotion and had a jam thrown in somewhere!  Definately 
my favorite set of the run (geeeez, I've been saying that after every set 8^)!

VoC to open the second was very dark and moody, which helped to get the meaning 
of this song across.  The lights this tour and fantastic and really lend a lot 
to the overall "experience"  of each song.  The rest of the second set before 
space was somewhat on the mellow side (that is NOT a negative comment!!!!) even 
with Playin' in there and somewhat long with lots of experimentation.  Then the 
jam coming out of space had lots of hints of GDTRFB (like already pointed out)
but Jerry stepped up and started singing a song I never heard (found out this 
morning it was a Paul McCartney song).  He only sang about 1 verse of it 
before the jam continued into the Playin' reprise.  China Doll was sweet.  The 
Tossin' Rocks>NFA at the end was probobly the  most smokin' music of the run 
so far!!!  The Gahden balcony realy got bouncing on that one, and the "U know 
our love will not fade away" chant kept going until the first notes of Quinn, 
which was a jumpin encore and seemed to fit well with the mood created from NFA.

A grate show, maybe the best of the run so far for me!

Side note - at intermission just walking around in the hall outside the seating 
area I ran into and shook hands with none other than Bill Weld, Govnah of Mass!!
He (and his 2 bodyguards) looked pretty funny in his suit amoung all the 
tie-dyed heads!!!  As people recognized him they yelled "hey bill, what's 
up?!?!" and he'd smile, wave, and yell back "How are ya?!?"  8^)

5 down, 1 to go!!!
Scott
23.3079/25 review. better than tuesdayBIODTL::FERGUSONNo cans, No Bottles!Thu Sep 26 1991 15:1345
9-25-91, Boston Garden

	Wednesdays show showed marked improvements over Tuesday's show.  I do
not have the set list in front of me, so I'll comment on what I remember.

	I was surprized by the h-s-f opener.  I was sure that they'd choose
something different as they have already done the help->slipknot segue.  When
they we tuning, it became quite obvious that h-s-f was going to be it.  I
was figuring on a Jack Straw -> Bertha;  maybe tonight. At any rate, the band
seemed to be together again vs. the disjointedness displayed during Tuesday.
The energy was there and the will to crank out some fine music loomed near.
I don't think Wednesday was quite a fine as Sunday, but, it did come quite
close.  I was surprize by Roses->Dire Wolf - 2 Jerry songs in a row!  That was
my first time hearing Dire Wolf live and I enjoyed it thoroughly, although
I could have done w/o the crowd participation which often sang the incorrent
words.  Queen Jane really cooked!  I'm not really one for this song, but
this version provided otherwise.  The band was together making music here!
Music Never Stopped *REALLY* cooked, as if the music was not going to stop!
Lots of energy, etc... 

	VoC was expected.  I sort of loathe this song, but, as Scott W said,
it was done better than other times I remember.  Crazy Fingers was OK; lots
of crowd noise prevented me from hearing it enough to enjoy it.  PLAYIN moved.
The jam was nice, although it did not really go too far.  Phil was really
cranking BIG TIME on his bass -- he was being quite a bit more experimental
than the others.... and Mickey!!! WOW!!! He was pounding those drumz with
a vengence!!!  Terrapin was delivered with decent energy, again, the
fine, loud east coasters showed the boyz who is louder....  after terrapin,
back into a jam.  I thought they would polish off playin' but no go.  Phil
again was jammin' like the dickens!!! he was all over that bass like "ugly
on an ape"  Jerry walked off first ... then bob.  Phil and Bruce continued
to crank a bit longer; finally, phil left and bruce finished up shortly.

	Drumz was longer than previous nights.  Space was ok;  coming out
of space, jerry was giving hints of the "heaven help jam" (aka mystery jam
from albany) as well as GDTRFB... i wasn't sure what they were going to do!
The McCartney tune was new, refreshing... but too short... the TS->Nfa was
no better than average.

	Quinn was fun; the crowd got excited when the song came to "When
Quinn the Eskimo gets here, everybody's gonna wanna dose!" (or something
like this)...

	all in all, better than tuesday, not quite as nice as sunday.

23.308MANANA::GRABAZSshe had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons...Thu Sep 26 1991 15:3314
>PLAYIN moved.
>The jam was nice, although it did not really go too far.  Phil was really
>cranking BIG TIME on his bass -- he was being quite a bit more experimental
>than the others.... 

	last night my seat was almost on the floor, the promenade section,
	first row...I was actually right where it starts curving around
	in the back...anyways, I could lean my body out over the divider
	and feel the sounds from the speakers entering my body...
	Phil WAS intense...both in Victim and in Playing...the Playing
	jam got sooooooooo looooooowww...yes!

	Debess

23.309forget what I said about yesterdays showSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Thu Sep 26 1991 15:356
    Aaaaaaaahhhh
    
    							/
    
    	:-)
    
23.310SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Thu Sep 26 1991 15:3810
>Side note - at intermission just walking around in the hall outside the seating 
>area I ran into and shook hands with none other than Bill Weld, Govnah of Mass!!
>He (and his 2 bodyguards) looked pretty funny in his suit amoung all the 
>tie-dyed heads!!!  As people recognized him they yelled "hey bill, what's 
>up?!?!" and he'd smile, wave, and yell back "How are ya?!?"  8^)

Really??  So is he a deadhead or is the election coming up ;-)??

peace,
t!ng
23.311CSLALL::SMARTINDead SoxThu Sep 26 1991 15:437
    
    
    Wasn't there a "Dear Prudence" tease before the McCartny (sp?) song?
    I SWEAR that I heard it...this is not my brain on drugs  %-)
    
    Steve-O
    
23.312I wish I could have seen him dancing!!MR4DEC::WENTZELLListen to the Music PlayThu Sep 26 1991 15:5612
RE: T!ng

I wondered the same thing, but other people spotted him earlier in the run and 
when I saw him it looked like he was trying to where he was going, not stopping 
and chatting like he was gathering votes.  I think he's a head!!!!  8^)

RE: Dead Prudence

A couple other people were talking about that last night in a bar after the 
show, they heard it and thought it was coming.  I didn't pick it out though...

Scott
23.313beatles medleyVMPIRE::CLARKthe funk of 40,000 yearsThu Sep 26 1991 16:103
There definitely was a Dear Prudence tease ... I think I heard both Jerry and
Bruce playing parts of it.  I was surprised when they went into That Would Be
Something instead.  
23.314CSLALL::HENDERSONNo great hurry, whattya say?Thu Sep 26 1991 16:4611
Maybe they'll play "She Loves You" tonight :^)








Jim
23.315VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Sep 26 1991 16:5112
    I loved last night... Terrapin was GREAT!  ... and I've been waiting
    for it for so long. :-)
    
    Our seats were next to the taper section and ... although I love tapers
    (doesn't everybody?)... I hate sitting there... it's so crowded and I
    have to control my natural exhuberance beyond my capabilities :-)...
    so we moved up to the highest balcony behind the stage and let
    clautrophobia ebb away.
    
    What a great show it was... can't wait for tonight.  
    
    Mary
23.316EBBCLU::SMITHThu Sep 26 1991 16:555
    Jim,
         I was on the orange line too trying to figure out that song,
         
    
    					Deane
23.318CSLALL::SMARTINDead SoxThu Sep 26 1991 17:0215
    
    
    re: taper section
    
    
    My seats for tonight are directly behind the tapers, first row of the
    section (25). I know the sound will be great there, but all we'll see
    are mic stands. How is the sound from the balcony? I was thinking of
    going up there for viewing purposes, but if the sound vacuums, I don't
    want to waste time...
    
    
    Any suggestions?
    
    Steve-O_who_just_can't_stop_smiling_from_last_night :-)
23.319Grate sound!AOXOA::STANLEYNo time to hate...Thu Sep 26 1991 17:097
re:                <<< Note 23.318 by CSLALL::SMARTIN "Dead Sox" >>>

Balcony side stage had grate sound and the view was perfect.  There are
speakers facing the side that are at the height of the balcony.  We'll be there
again tonight.

		Dave
23.320another fine one... that WAS something! :^)ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryThu Sep 26 1991 17:3818
    the "dear prudence tease" that people picked up on is that "mystery
    jam" or "heaven help" jam from albany...  they sound a lot alike...
    
    no lenghty review for this kid today...  ust some tired smiles...
    another real fine show...  just to be contrary though, i still liked
    Tuesdays better! :^)  i will admit that from a technical standpoint,
    the performances were probably a little better executed... 
    
    series 1...  my favorite was saturday, then sunday (i thought sunday
    performance was better than sat but i had a better show saturday) and
    friday was the third...
    
    series 2...  i loved tuesday...  last night was probably better
    executed...  i'll miss tonight...  :^(   :^(   :^(
    
    					da ve_the_tired_but_happy_camper
    
    							:^)
23.321Random Thoughts about the sceneBIODTL::FERGUSONNo cans, No Bottles!Fri Sep 27 1991 04:4138
	So, here I sit in my living room after seeing 4 shows in 5 daze.
I had a really good time and I could not help but wonder what all the folks
that helped make the scene work will do tomorrow night?  I wonder if they'll
miss channelling us into the Garden, searching us for cans & bottles, makin'
sure we're staying out of the isles, and channelling back to the outside?
I wonder if they were getting used to the daily show process?  I wonder if
we were really a pain in the butt?

	I had to laugh at the announcer_dude, you know, the one you hear at
the first checkpoint.  He said something like, "Ok folks, this is the sixth
night we've been doing this and some folks are still having troubles with
the rules.  I know the rules are difficult to remember so we're going to
take it from the top again.  No cans No Bottles!!  No food stuffs.  No liquid
containers of any sort."  Have to hand it to the Garden for having a 'live'
person vs. a monotone, repetitious recording.  That announcer_dude made me
laugh... :-)

	Once you were in the Garden, it was time to find the seats.  I
usually walked around a bit mumbling something about cans and bottles and
eventually made it to my location.  All during this time, I wondered what sort
of obstruction I'd have tonight.  Was it a rafter?  Was it the balcony above
me?  Or, will I have the unobstructed view?  Yah, yah, I thought.... then I
wondered how the sound was going to taste... all these things darting in and
out of my mind as I slowly made way to my location...

	Then the lights went down.  Showtime.  The place filled with excitement
and smoke as folks got ready for another delight.  The music controlled the
energy.  The energy was created by the music.  The music was created by the
boyz.  Too much fun to have at one time.  So different than other music.

	After the last song, it was time to journey home to grab some rest
for the next night.  Channelling out of the Garden ranks pretty high in the
fun department.  All those corners, stairs, heavy merges, barnyard noises, 
etc. made for an interesting experience.  Causeway St. would be packed with 
dazed folks relaxing after yet another show...
	
	That's it for the Other One, until next year(?) ...
23.322Dr. ... Mr. MD ....VMPIRE::CLARKthe funk of 40,000 yearsFri Sep 27 1991 04:4518
Not being skilled and translating cerebral musings into the written word,
I'll simply say what I said with quite some volume, several times, in
the ears of everyone within 18 BostonGardenSections of me ....


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There.  That's my review.  Oh yeah ... that had to have been one of the
best Attics I've heard in a long time. 

Now I'm off to print out directions to OGO for an all-day meeting 
that starts in seven hours.  No problem.

Many thanks to all my good friends ... these shows have really been
special for me.  8^) 8^) 8^)

- talk to ya Monday
  DCzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...
23.323thanks JC for the tickhM&et!!!VMPIRE::CLARKthe funk of 40,000 yearsFri Sep 27 1991 04:477
Geez JC, you beat me to it!!

GET TO SLEEP!

;^)

- happyDave
23.324XANADU::GRABAZSshe had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons...Fri Sep 27 1991 09:505
....mmmmmmmmmmm.......that looked very VERY tasty..............
......wish I had been there :-{.....happy for you that were :-)!!!!

Debess

23.325how appropriate!XANADU::GRABAZSshe had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons...Fri Sep 27 1991 11:433
	Brokedown Palace!  HA!  I get it!

23.326$set karma/param=head_orientation=relaxedSPICE::PECKARPlayin' to the tideFri Sep 27 1991 12:2321
Well, I'll try to get reviews for the two last night's shows written up, but, 
like when I was writing my review for tuesday night, I keep getting interrupted 
by work. here are some snippetts...

   o	Being reminded at 4:30 on Wednesday that I had an all-day staff meeting
	at the headmasters house that started "promptly at eight". Getting 
	there on time, calling in to check my voice-mail to find out that the
	systems assembly line in Albequerque had been stopped and I was
	the only one on the planet who could get it started again (kinda
	reminded me of the movie: The Jetsons). I don't think I've ever been
	so stressed in my life. By 4:00, I was so upset I considered blowing
	off last nites show. Man was I exhausted!

   o	Thinking to myself during setbreak last night that I'm getting way too
	old for werk->werk->dedsho->werk->deadsho->werk->dedsho->werk and than
	chiding myself for feeling that way after such a wonderful set as that
	last set of the run last night. My God, I haven't been as relaxed as I
	was after this run in a long time! If there ever was a time when I 
	rilly needed a deadsho, last nite was it. Boy, am I a lucky guy.  :-)

23.327Dark Star again...VIA::MORAROSFri Sep 27 1991 13:017
    
    
    I can't remember who said it, but someone in here said that since the
    Dead only sang one verse of Dark Star on Tues. that they would finish
    it on Thursday, and you were right!!!!!!!  Good prediction!
    
    Kim :-)
23.328BIODTL::FERGUSONNo cans, No bottles.Fri Sep 27 1991 13:0415
re                       <<< Note 23.327 by VIA::MORAROS >>>
                            -< Dark Star again... >-
    
>    I can't remember who said it, but someone in here said that since the
>    Dead only sang one verse of Dark Star on Tues. that they would finish
>    it on Thursday, and you were right!!!!!!!  Good prediction!
    

I maintain that they did not finished Tuesday's Dark Star yet.  Probably
never will.  Thursday's Dark Star started fresh, w/ the first verse.  After
drums, they finished it w/ the second verse.  On Tuesday, they only did the
first verse -- never finished it... i was surprized to hear the 'full'
dark star... ... as well as Eyes, which is always nice!

i was hoping for a scarlet.... maybe next time!
23.329BCSE::ABBOTFri Sep 27 1991 14:118
    Geez, I got goosebumps just reading last night's set list (well, except
    for Picasso Moon). So somewhere out in the cosmos there's an unfinished
    Dark Star hanging around? What will this do to the cosmic continutiy?
    Is there an interruption in my reality? Has success spoiled Rick
    Springfield? (to paraphrase DC)
    
    Scott_awaiting_tapes_of_series_II
    
23.330Dark Galaxy ...BOOKS::BAILEYBLet my inspiration flow ...Fri Sep 27 1991 14:167
    >> somewhere out there in the cosmos there's an unfinished Dark Star
    
    Actually more than one I think ... did they ever finish the Dark Star
    they started at RFK Stadium this past June ???  I don't think so ...
    
    ... Bob
    
23.331Not ot be confused with Tuesday night....STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Fri Sep 27 1991 14:20169
	WOW!

	Last night was intense.

	Last night of teh stand,.. last night of the tour,.. the boys
	was saying "goodbye" for a while,.. but not without a party
	first!!! :-) :-)

	It seems that everyone else is too tired to enter their review.
	Hell,.. after the last two nights,. I'm like reborn here,.. ready
	to hum through this workday,...

	Anyway, about Tuesday nite,.. two many dave/da ve's have pointed out
	to me that I can't expect them to play their axes like madmen every
	nite,.. and they're right. So, in fairness, and to complete my 
	otherwise uncomplimentary review of Tuesday, I must say that
	the vocals were on Tuesday,., and there was some very sweet singin'	
	goin' on,.. and if thats your thing,. you were liable to have a great
	show kind of like a semi-well know vocalist dude :-) :-)

	Short review of Wed follows:

	:-)

	Now on to Thursday. 

	Woah! Ok,. so JC gets his Jack Straw to open,.. and from the first
	solo I ***KNEW*** this was going to be an excellent nite. I was already
	well out of my chair and vibrating sporatically for this opener.
	And the jammed on it good,.. Jerry built it up and then the band
	b-b-b-b-anged it ou "Jack Straw from Wichitaw (Sp?)..." the
	sound was "right" and this line about blew me back into the
	next row. Jerry does Cold Rain with a lot of dropping of bombs
	here and there to get the boyz "back in line" for a verse.
	Bobby's harmonies were very nice here too :-). Wang Dang,..
	No sh*t Bobby,.. By this time,.. things were sufficiently
	warmed up to start testing the bounds... and like a warning
	almost,. Bobby was yelling at us telling us to get ready for a long
	nite of high energy partying,.. well,.. I was ready :-) During
	Wang Dang I loved the way Jerry was sort of sneaking around with his
	guitar,.. poking his nose into the jam here and then jumping
	over there,.. and then moving again over there :-) :-) It was like
	he was on a secret mission trying to see if he could play a
	whole bunch of interesting licks without being noticed too much.
	Like a theif in the night,. he was there,. and then gone,...
	Of course,.. lets play Candyman next "Here he comes and hes
	gone again" ,.. I know this is one of my favorites when done
	right,.. and last nights wasn't the best,.. but it was coooooool.
	Again the harmonies :-) Isn't it amazing da ve how much more I
	appreciate the singing when the other things (like the axe werk
	for example) also "happenin'"?... So after everybody stoppped looking
	out for the Candyman,.. Bob jumps into Mexicalli,..which jogged
	along nicely,.. but it seemed like they really wanted to play something
	else and just whipped this out because ??? :-?,.. then Cumberland,..
	and man,,...da ve ,. did you hear those harmonies? :-) :-)
	Anyway,.. Cumberland gave Jerry the platform he needed again
	since Jack Straw to wow the crowd with some geetar slingin'...
	and I think I was wowed preety good,... the lines "A lot of
	fellas making nothing at all,.. and you can hear him cry"
	were unexpectedly strongly belted out and sort of shook me
	over the top on that one. Again,.. had to depend on the folks
	in the next row back to hold me up :-) :-) 

	OK,.. so this fiorst set has already got us sweating pretty good and 
	everybody is smilin,.must be time to calm down,.. OK ,.. lets play
	everybody's favorite Picasso moon :-},.. but as they started the
	chorus after the first verse,.. I still hadn't recognized the tune.
	Did they play thi hdifferently than usual? I mean,.. I never really
	noticed this tune before as something I was diggin' on,.. but they
	cranked on this. Wasn't this supposed to be the calmer downer boys?
	Wow,.. that aint no way to be calmin down,.. they were into it and
	if they can play ity like that everytime,.. I'm into that tune!
	Phil,.. Box,.. words fail me. 'twas beateous... magnificerable

	BREAK!

	Thank the good Lord they took a break. It seemed like they didn't
	really need one as they walked off,.. butu I know I did. Time to
	wring out my clothes :-) :-)

	Second Set

	Is that Dark Star I hear??? Couldn't be..... Oh my God,.. IT IS
	DARK STAR!!!!! OPENING THE SET!!!!! YEEEEEAAAHHHHHHHEESSSS!!!!!

	How does one describe beauty? How does one relate to others the
	musings of ones own subcouscious that seem to bubble through
	the protective barriers installed by modern civilization as
	they experience the absolute virtuosity of the phenomonon known
	by the name "Grateful Dead". Swooning,.. Sliding,.. climbing,..
	falling,... flying up again,.. what a ride. First verse only,,.
	with plenty of ***relaxed*** playing,.. the kind that just makes
	you go "Aaaaaahhh :-)" Wandering aimlessly,.. the band takes
	a musical walk through several possibilities,.. no rush to play
	the next tune,... nobody (not even Hornsby :-) :-) trying to
	take the lead,.. just an egoless relaxed cooperative spacy
	kind of jelloey thing happening,.. that finally orbed its way
	over to St. of Circumstance. Well,.. I can say for sure that
	after 10 or 15 years of singin this tune,.,. Bob and Jerry still
	don't know whet they're goping for,... but THEY"RE GONNNA GO FOR IT


				FOR SURE!

	Good high energy delivery on this tune,.. sort of woke everybody up
	a bit, Great contrast with therest of the set. So now that the tempo
	is warmed up good,.. what ya gonna do next Jer?,.. Hmmmm,..NO,..
	Jerry don't do it,.. not Eyes,.. oh no,. I can;t take it. At this
	point,.. folks, ... I'm sorry to report that I lost all ability
	to remain objective. Yes,.. /mon,. your deadhead reporter live
	on the scene experienced some technical difficulties. I believe
	all rational thought processes were put on hold and I just had
	to experience it. I know it was good,.. Actually I know it was 
	excellent because I can remember fleeting momemnts of actually0
	having the ability to critique,.. there was nothing to critique.
	Like why bother trying to figure out why this is so excellent,..
	IT JUST IS.,.. and we just were,. and Jerry just kept weaving
	this tapestry of cosmic mystic stuff up there,.. at severla points
	cloaking himself in a whirlwind of colors that just intensified
	until it exploeded and covered the whole scene. Yes folks,.. musical
	orgasm comes to mind as perhaps the best words with which to
	attempt to describe what went on here...

	Drums => Space was actually less than ot had bneen other nights.
	Less lengthy,.. but just as intense iof not more intense. It was
	like not a quiet tinkering kind of drums and sapce of days prior,..
	but a more resoudnig,.. pounding kind of powerful make your
	stomach shake inside you kind of thing,... Space too seemed
	short,.. although I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was long.
	Like I said,.. I kind of lost it back ther eon Eyes,.. and was
	by this point just cruising the astral plane thinking about maybe
	coming back to the planet to hear the rest of the second set...	oops
	whats that I hear.. Dark Star again,.. Hmm,.. maybe I'll
	just stay up here a while... :-) :-) Hey look at that,. Jerry, the
	boys, and half of the Garden crowd decided to join me up here for
	a Dark Star. Now folks,.. I don't really pretend to know what was going
	at this point... you know,.. that grateful dead things was just
	happening and it was an ever present,.. sort of oozing emeinance
	of good vibes amoing everybody that we all try to put into words
	when trying to convert somebody,.. but we all fail miserably
	at describing that,.. that ,.. je ne sais quoi that makes these
	guys true modern artists...Then a ROUSING Other one,... YAH
	why dontcha just take out the big hammer Bobby and hit over the head.
	The band can rock folks,.. and the showed us how,..:-),,.
	Another Dark Start tease (it was like Jerry coiuld have played that
	one tuine all night) Now,.. justy to be sure, Tuesday,. they played
	Dark Star,.. but THURSDAY,.. They 

	#################### PLAYED ########################

	Dark Star,.. if you catch my drift. Attics was well sung and moving.
	Almost to the point of tears (When there was no soing to sing...)
	Reallly liked this. Good Lovin was HOT,.. building the crowd to one
	of those frenzies where Bobby is up there just losing it on tyhe
	lyrics and teh corwd is flailing their bodies about and ,.. hey,..
	did that nose just pokle out qa little bit there or what....
	Debess? Ting? Whose turn was it to watch Bobby's nose anyway?

	Brokedown was appropriate for BG after having held the dead
	for a week,.. I think I heard the Garden sigh in relief
	when Jerry sang (Gonna leave,,.) like the Gardenm was sayin
	its a good thing you're leaving because I can't take another
	night like this. Wwe Bid yoiu goodnight is THE WAY to close
	a sho0w,.. a run,.. a tour,.. that I won't forget for a long time.

	So I hope there were others who enjoyed this show,

						/
23.332RANGER::NOURSEFri Sep 27 1991 14:3719
What a treat this Boston Garden run has been!

It started out really good,
and just got better,
and better,
and better,
and better!!!,
and  a.*..a.*..a.*..a..*.a.*..a..*..........!.!!....


Now do you see why I've been wanting the Dead to come back
to Boston Garden for the past couple of years??

It's not because it's such a nice place. :^)
It's because of how they play when they play there!

I've still got that Dark Star floating through my head!!!

:^):^:^):^):^)):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^):^)
23.333SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Sep 27 1991 16:306
Hey, /, I think Bobby's nose would be the last thing I'd be watching at
that point in the show ;-)!  Sounds like a good time!!  Anyone running a
Bawston Series II tree??  Inquiring minds wanna know...8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.334Last NiteSHKDWN::TAYLORNothing shakin'Fri Sep 27 1991 18:2019
Great Nite!  I got to take a fellow DECie from Dublin to his first show.  He
had a great time.  He really enjoyed Bruce, and he wants tapes.

For me, Cumberland Blues was the highlight.  After Mexacali I thought they were
going into Big River which was what they did in Denver when I thought they were
going into Cumberland Blues, but it turned out to be Big River.  (That does
make sense if you study it.)  In any case, Cumberland is a song I've been dying to
hear, but have never seen.  Last night as the boys were opening for Big River 
(or so I thought), I was thinking, "wow, I didn't know this song when I first 
heard it in Denver, and now I recognize it before they start singing."  Then,
I heard, "I can't stay much longer, Melinda..."  Wow!Wow!Wow!   And the jamming 
and intensity of the song was everything I hoped Electric!ElectricElectric!

What a nite!

Whenever I feel totally beat today, I just turn on last night in my head, and 
the tiredness is gone!

Bill
23.335Series II thoughts...CSLALL::SMARTINDead SoxFri Sep 27 1991 18:4135
    
    
    Tuesday was a good show, another night on the floor! (19th row) Nice
    and close, and with our binoculars, we could see them sweat- yuck!  :-)
    I noticed Bruce wears earplugs. He and Jerry are fun to watch. It
    was a good night to watch Bruce. He JAMMED the first set-> accordian
    solo right to piano solo! I loved the first set, but was totally
    bummed that they missed the climax in "ALthea." I REALLY love that
    song, and couldn't wait to hear it. "New Speedway" was my highlight of
    the set. The second set was really nice. "Standing on the Moon" caused
    my goosebumps to "Stand on Each Other" ;-) "Around and Around" took
    a while to get going... "The Weight" was heavy...
    
    Wednesday: WOW WOW WOW WOW!! I couldn't have been more excited.
    My favorite first set of all time! "Dire Wolf" and "Queen Jane" flipped
    me!!! 
    ...."The Music Never Stopped" (no words needed. Okay, just one:
    CHILLS_and_SMILES!!!!!! (that's one word)
    
    Second set picked up where it left off. :-)  Smoked right through..
    Highlights: "Terrapin" and  "China Doll." I almost couldn't take anymore
    after China Doll, it blew me away....
    I think this was the best show ever! I was in the greatest mood :-)
    
    Thursday was a great ending show. Tight, clean, jamming. We stayed in
    our seats, which were in the first row behind the tapers. We were
    worried that we wouldn't have a good view. View? Who needs a view?
    The sound was absolutly INCREDIBLE!!!! Every song was played well.
    No "Bertha," or "Greatest Story," but that's okay :-) 
    "We Bid You Goodnight" was warm!!! Good feelings. And GREAT harmonies.
    (if you could hear them over the crowd). 
    
    I'm sad that it's over, but I'm still fuzzy and smiling :-) :-) :-)
    
    Steve-O
23.336what a night...MAST::MEINERTHSun Sep 29 1991 21:3657
Just made it to Wed show. IT FELT GREAT!!!!! BETTER THAN S..!!!

Dance and Sang every song. Dead really sounded like they were having fun
and they really got the crowd into it, especially when they turned it up
in the second set...

Brought a friend to the show that never saw them, but just heard a few
tapes in my car at Siggraph this year going out to and back from Zion Canyon. 
He asked me to bring him to the next time I saw them. We got tickets on the 
floor 27th row. Blew him away... especially the Drum Solo with Bill and Mickey.

Just an indescribable experience... Got to find the time to do this more
often!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Just one of the infrequent readers...

 Kim

                <<< Note 23.335 by CSLALL::SMARTIN "Dead Sox" >>>
                           -< Series II thoughts... >-

    
    
    Tuesday was a good show, another night on the floor! (19th row) Nice
    and close, and with our binoculars, we could see them sweat- yuck!  :-)
    I noticed Bruce wears earplugs. He and Jerry are fun to watch. It
    was a good night to watch Bruce. He JAMMED the first set-> accordian
    solo right to piano solo! I loved the first set, but was totally
    bummed that they missed the climax in "ALthea." I REALLY love that
    song, and couldn't wait to hear it. "New Speedway" was my highlight of
    the set. The second set was really nice. "Standing on the Moon" caused
    my goosebumps to "Stand on Each Other" ;-) "Around and Around" took
    a while to get going... "The Weight" was heavy...
    
    Wednesday: WOW WOW WOW WOW!! I couldn't have been more excited.
    My favorite first set of all time! "Dire Wolf" and "Queen Jane" flipped
    me!!! 
    ...."The Music Never Stopped" (no words needed. Okay, just one:
    CHILLS_and_SMILES!!!!!! (that's one word)
    
    Second set picked up where it left off. :-)  Smoked right through..
    Highlights: "Terrapin" and  "China Doll." I almost couldn't take anymore
    after China Doll, it blew me away....
    I think this was the best show ever! I was in the greatest mood :-)
    
    Thursday was a great ending show. Tight, clean, jamming. We stayed in
    our seats, which were in the first row behind the tapers. We were
    worried that we wouldn't have a good view. View? Who needs a view?
    The sound was absolutly INCREDIBLE!!!! Every song was played well.
    No "Bertha," or "Greatest Story," but that's okay :-) 
    "We Bid You Goodnight" was warm!!! Good feelings. And GREAT harmonies.
    (if you could hear them over the crowd). 
    
    I'm sad that it's over, but I'm still fuzzy and smiling :-) :-) :-)
    
    Steve-O

23.337hmmm now how am i gonna wean myself from 6 shows?LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeMon Sep 30 1991 12:0929
re:  McCartney's "That would be something"

You can find this on the MTV unplugged show and the album that 
got released from it...it's good too (the lp).  And I don't believe 
it's an old blues standard but rather a McCartney original...least
I think that's what the lp label reads (it is possible that he re-vamped
it though ...)- best to look again but I don't own it....my friend Jim does.  

all I can say is ditto to what Andy Nourse said:

it just kept gettin' better and better and better and and and!

:)
whew!

And Jim I heard that Goin down the road too! 

all rested back up now....and being worn out again by a new puppy we 
got this past friday ....

apologies if this is all discussed elsewhere (like the what did you 
eat for lunch note).....:)

bob

ps.  Nice meeting Sean And Rachel and seeing all you other *SMILING* 
folks...especially those smilin' folks a few rows behind us for the
last show...SMILE SMILE SMILE
	
23.338CSLALL::HENDERSONThe band's all packed and goneMon Sep 30 1991 12:2419
That Would Be Something was also on Mcartney's first solo album..




Jim.





Anybody for a meeting at 5:30 at the Commonwealth Brewing Company? :^)






23.339:-}OCTOBR::GRABAZSshe had ribbons,ribbons,ribbons...Mon Sep 30 1991 12:2913
>             -< hmmm now how am i gonna wean myself from 6 shows? >-

>...especially those smilin' folks a few rows behind us for the
>last show...SMILE SMILE SMILE

	Hey Bob, I CAN'T stop smiling...just CAN'T!!!!!!!
	DON'T go back to reality...keep the feeling ALIVE!!!!!!!!!
	I have this incredible feeling that I can change the WHOLE WORLD
	with my happiness and I don't want the feeling to end!!!!
	My soul has been opened and I feel the good just pouring in!!!

	Debess

23.340VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenMon Sep 30 1991 14:261
    Yes, Debess... :-)
23.341EZRIDR::SIEGELFrank Zappa in '92!Mon Sep 30 1991 17:0131
re: MSG series II

This is something I forgot to put in a while ago.  After the Saturday night MSG
show, my entourage hooked up with another entourage to create a group of 10 to
eat at the world-famous Carnegie Deli.  We were waiting for our food when I
heard people behind us whispering "Bruce Hornsby".  I looked up to see a man
standing next to our table who had been there for about 30 seconds.  I looked
at him and thought "he sure does look like Bruce Hornsby".  After another
second or two, I concluded that it really was him.  We all gave him a
collective "Hey Bruce, Hi!", etc. to which he replied something like "Hi, how's
it going?".  Then he turned around and left.  He had entered the deli, scanned
around apparently looking for someone, then left when he didn't find
him/her/them.  What a thrill.  He was wearing shorts and a t-shirt.

re: BG series I.

The quality of shows (for me) increased day by day, with a peak around Saturday
or Sunday.  I think I liked the song selection Sunday best, but the music
itself was best on Saturday.  The H->S->F was great on Friday, though.  I was
glad to see them replace Franklin's with somnething else, although they could
have picked something other than Fire.

re: BG series II.

A death in the family caused my tour to come to a sudden stop.  I was glad they
didn't pull out a St. Stephen, though!  I was also glad to have seen a show
similar to the last Boston show (Byrne Arena, 10-16-89), so I wasn't nearly as
bummed as I could have been.  I did miss a Terrapin, Candyman, and a Playin. 
Oh well, it's not like I've never seen them.

adam
23.342opppssssMSHRMS::FIELDSany idea's ?Mon Sep 30 1991 21:528
    I just wannna say I told Fog that it was an old blues tune because I
    could not think of where it came from (shame on me) it didn't come to
    me until the next day when I looked at the Unplugged CD and releyezzzed
    it was a Paul tune......double shame on me !! :'( so sorry Fog for miss
    leading you plus about 50 to 100 others I told on the way out of the
    show !! :')
    
    Chris
23.343Tribute to Bill Graham - 10/27/91SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Oct 28 1991 15:0432
I guess you all may have guessed that yesterday's show was very emotionally
played, from the first note to the last.  I didn't remember anyone screwing
up any words.  The Jerry tunes were especially somber.  Two large wreaths
flanked the stage.  David Graham came out and said a few words about his
father at the end of the first set.  The gist of it was that we should all
keep having fun because Bill would've wanted it that way.  The highlight of
his speech was when he said, "He f**kin' loved you all, man!!" while choking
back his tears 8-(.  The lump in my throat got bigger. 

Second set highlight was, of course, Iko and the old Cippolina tune, Hey
Bo Diddley, with Carlos Santana and Spencer Davis showing up to pay tribute
to Bill.  If you've ever heard intense jamming, it'd be nothing compare to
the jamming you get when you put Carlos and Spencer Davis on the same stage
with the Dead.  YOWZA!!!  My mouth hung open through it all.  It was
incredible!!  At points though, Carlos and Spencer Davis seem to completely
overwhelm Jerry.  Jerry, Carlos, Spencer, and Bob sort of formed a semi-
circle on the stage watching each other's finger works and smiling at
every new twist someone introduces. After Iko, Spencer first whispered to
Jerry, then Bob and lots of smiles and nods later went into Hey Bo Diddley
(my first and it was great!!)!  There was the longest and sweetest jam after
Hey Bo and before drums.  Ear-piercing at times with 4 guitarists up there
but SWEET!!  After the jam, there were more whisperings and nods and smiles
and a general consensus was reached that they should all go backstage and
party 8-(.  We were hoping they'd come back out, but no such luck (Carlos
did leave his guitar on stage, but it was just a tease).  The Knockin' encore
was very heartfelt.  We all know that's what Bill's doing right now, and
probably demanding to know from St. Pete when he opens the door what the
h*ll he's doing there!!  Maybe St. Pete will know it's a mistake and send
him back.

peace,
t!ng
23.344TERAPN::PHYLLISWake, now discover..Mon Oct 28 1991 15:365
    
    I would love tapes of this show if anyone has them.  Thanks for the
    review, t!ng.
    
    
23.345makings of a new tree?ROULET::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryMon Oct 28 1991 17:284
    why do i have a sneaking suspicion that this tape will be the next
    tree?  :^/
    
    					da ve
23.346ESASE1::JCFERGUSONGuinness is good for you.Tue Oct 29 1991 06:005
Poignant review T!ng ... must have been quite the emotional show.......

I never got to see Father Time...

:-|
23.347SA1794::GLADUGTue Oct 29 1991 15:406
    Correction of sorts for 10/27:
    
    It was Gary Duncan from QMS joining Carlos and not Spencer Davis and
    what they played was Mona although it seems it started off at first
    as Bo Diddley. I'll check some QMS tapes tonight to see if that's how 
    Mona normally starts out.
23.348LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeTue Oct 29 1991 15:586
Hey Mona starts out amazingly like NFA.  


hey hey mona gonna build a house right next 2 u!
:)
bob
23.349WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Tue Oct 29 1991 16:286
    Good one Bob...years ago we always hoped they would fool ya and go
    into Mona and not NFA..and I think the tease was always there..alas
    they finally did it...Hey Bo Jackson could start out very similarly,
    IMHO,.
    
    rich
23.350makes my heart go bumpety bump!LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeTue Oct 29 1991 17:438
>    they finally did it...Hey Bo Jackson could start out very similarly,
>    IMHO,.
 
hey bo jackson >
just dew it.

:)

23.351Kesey FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Nov 01 1991 16:3544
From a net.head, an account of Ken Kesey's appearance at last night's show
(anyone know more about what happended to his son ?):

The Grateful Dead assisted by Gary Duncan had just finished the
opening verse of Dark Star.  Jerry Garcia and Gary Duncan were
trading off lightning powered licks and out on to the stage
walks a man dressed in a tuxedo and top hat.  He moves up
to Bob Weir's microphone and the unmistakeable voice says:

"I was in DC and when I got the message, I thought of two things.
I thought of my son going over a cliff and Bill Graham sending a
thousand bucks to put a thing up on the hill that points in all
directions in Oregon so that you can always find your direction
on the top of that hill.

"And I thought of one more thing.  It's a little heavy, but that's
what it's about! Nobody else reaches across the distance and put
their hand on your shoulders about this shit.  And this band ()
a long time reaching across.  When you guys played _Brokendown_Palace_
and I knew shit! this is the Grateful Dead telling me about my son!
This is as friggin' real as it gets. We all knew it! We knew it! 
We knew it!

"And the other thought, the second thought, the warrior thought,
the violent thought, which is that we ain't (kidding). 
in any given situation, there is always gonna be more dumb people
than smart people! We ain't (kidding).

"The second thought was this poem by e.e. cummings, a simple old
poem that goes:
	'Buffalo Bill is defunct!
	 Jesus, he was a handsome man.
	 He used to ride on a white horse
	 and shoot clay pigeons,
	 1 2 3 4 5 just like that!
	 And what I want to know is 
	 how do you like your blue eyed boy now, Mister Death?'"

The man in black was Ken Kesey.

------------------
words in () may be incorrect.  The crowd was VERY loud during
this part.

23.352Halloween runSKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Nov 05 1991 18:1479
In reference to the on-going debate of Bo Diddley versus Mona, I listened
to my friend's tape and it's actually Hey Bo Diddley -> Mona.  Jerry
started off with Hey Bo Diddley, sang a few lines and forgot the words,
so Bobby picked it up as Mona.  The two songs are so similar that it's like
trying to figure out if they did Ain't Superstitious or Meet Me on the Bottom.
The special guest on Sunday with Carlos (and the one on Halloween) was indeed
Gary Duncan from Quicksilver Messenger Service as confirmed by Howard at the
soundboard when I asked him on Halloween.

Monday's show was ok.  It certainly had some hightlights like an incredibly
sweet Birdsong, a rocking Loose Lucy, and a very emotional Crazy Fingers and
Stella Blue (!).  The WatchTower was very low-energy though - one of the
slowest WatchTowers I've seen.

Wednesday's first set was really good, especially the M&MU -> Maggie's Farm.
I always love the individual solos in Maggies's Farm, especially Vince's!!
Let Vince sing!!!  8-)  Eyes -> Estimated was different.  I really like it.
The Black Peter was very emotional.  Still no He's Gone and I think it's on
purpose (the Coliseum would be flooded with tears!!)

Then Halloween!!  WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWYOW!!  I would have to say it ranks in my
top 10 shows!!  Help->Slip->Franklin rocked us into what will prove to be a
most memorable night!!  My viewpoint is probably very biased when it comes
to this segue since it's got to be my all time favorite every time I hear
it.  Tom Thumb's is another highlight for the first set even though Phil
has almost the same vocal attributes as Jerry ;-).  Let it Grow was a really
good closer (I do like *some* Bobby tunes, Gerry ;-)

At the beginning of the second set, a float of some kind dropped halfway
from the roof of the coliseum.  I couldn't really see what it was from where
we were (center 15 people from the stage) since it was right above us.  I
think you have to be as far back as the taper section to see it (the back of
the coliseum).  I think it was a ghost.  I could see arms sticking out, but
I couldn't see the eyes.  The lights were spiraling around the stage.  This
is really hard to describe.  It looks almost like someone had put one of those
laser disks with the spiral patterns on a projector and spun the the disk to
get it to project in spirals on the crowd on one side of the stage.  The stage
think you have to be as far back as the taper section to see it (the back of
the coliseum).  I think it was a ghost.  I could see arms sticking out, but
I couldn't see the eyes.  The lights were spiraling around the stage.  This
is really hard to describe.  It looks almost like someone had put one of those
laser disks with the spiral patterns on a projector and spun the the disk to
get it to project in spirals on the crowd on one side of the stage.  The stage
decorations, a bunch of wire sculptures, were also accented by the spiraling
light.  The top center of the stage had a wire witch on a broom and the back
of the stage has 3 wire people in horizontal positions.  It looks like they
were swimming.

The Scarlet -> Fire opener for the second set was predictable.  Was the Fire
played for the fire in the Oakland Hills??  Who knows??  The version was
nice and long (or so it seems) with a nice smooth jam transitioning Scarlet
into Fire.  The Truckin' weas good (certainly a lot better than the one
played at the Sunday BG Memorial at Golden Gate Park).  We were very
psyched for Spoonful.  Gary Duncan joined in in the middle and really
jammed.  He fits in really well with the Dead style.  Then Dark Star!!
Were we going to get only half again??  No, it turned out to be the whole
thing, and it was great - one of the most inspired versions I can recall on
tape or live.  Ken Kesey came out in top hat and tails to make his speech
at the end of the first verse of Dark Star with the jamming going non-stop
while he was talking and fitting in perfectly with the mood of his words.
The only thing that occurred to me when I heard Kesey's words was "Right
on!!" although I could not remember for the life of me what it was he said
that was so right on.  I'm glad Reno transcribed the speech.  Gary Duncan's
jams in Dark Star was just perfect, by no means weak and not too imposing,
but certainly very much there.  After Kesey, there was more jamming before
the drummers took over.  Dark Star came out of space.  The tunes weaved in
and out and held onto the part of us that still grieved over Bill and pulled
it into the cosmos where it reunited back with the energy that emanated from
the crowd to once again let each of us rejoice in being alive and being there
at the moment to live the magic!!  YOW!!  What a special moment!!  The Last
Time was equally unbelievable!!  None of us felt it will ever be the last
time!!  We did *not* want to see Gary Duncan go!!  He psyched up the Dead
so much - it was pure heaven!!  But he did not stay for Standing on the Moon
and it was a soulful rendition.  How good was the show??  It was so good that
I even liked the Throwing Stones!!  Yes, it was *that* good!!  8-)  We all 
knew the Werewolves was coming and boy did we howl!!  Oww-ooooooo!!  8->!!

peace,
t!ng
23.353SPICE::PECKARNot the MamaWed Nov 06 1991 18:2410
RE:       <<< Note 23.352 by SKYLRK::TING "Give Peace a Chance!!!" >>>


	Thanks for the grate reviews, T!ng.

	For many of us, your reviews are the only glimpses into whats' 
	happenin' with the Boys that we can afford...


Fog
23.354Dec 27/28 - Not First HandMR4MI2::REHILLCall me Mystery HillMon Dec 30 1991 10:2121
    
    	So before everyone gets all excited by it, Bob Weir sang Same Thing
    on Dec 28, Bruce is not with the band for this run, and Vince got a
    chance to shine on that  "cheesey" organ sound.
    
    	All of this is from phone calls and all, no tapes or first hand
    reports.
    
    	Also, The 27th show was not one of the better, the band kept losing
    the time on the songs, and no one really seemed to want to take the
    reins and lead the band. MY reporters felt that either JErry or Vince
    should have, but neither did.
    
    	Lastly, there are screens behind the band, and they are projecting
    slides relevant to the song being played. During Watchtower, they
    showed a slide of Hendrix, which seemed to igninte Jerry for the end of
    the set.
    
    	The 28th was a much better show, and the future looks good for the
    30th and 31.
    
23.355what were the rest like???WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Thu Jan 02 1992 13:478
    I'm assuming that Bruce joined the band for NYE..was he there for 12/30
    as well?  I tried staing awake for NYE but never made it so I recorded
    from BCN...sounded like an average show..second set picked up a bit...
    still think they need to take a break...one old song being revived but
    all in all very predictable showz.
    still wish i was there tho!
    
    rich
23.356XANADU::GRABAZSdry your eyes on the windThu Jan 02 1992 13:504
	who was Father Time?

	Debess

23.357MR4MI2::REHILLCall me Mystery HillThu Jan 02 1992 14:076
    
    	I don't think Bruice was there for any shows this New Year's.
    Rich - Why do you think he was?
    
    
    
23.358over the edge????WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Thu Jan 02 1992 14:166
    I could be wrong but I thought I heard piano (not to be confused with
    organ or keyboard) in the mix...especially during several of the
    intros to songs.....maybe I've finally lost touch with reallity and
    my hearing is shot.  Anyone else think they heard piano???
    
    rich
23.359MR4MI2::REHILLCall me Mystery HillThu Jan 02 1992 14:245
    
    
    	I did hear the piano, but I assumed it was Vince. Those
    synthes sure can sound like a lot of different instruments.
    
23.360WFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Thu Jan 02 1992 14:286
    ...could have been the synth.....speaking of which ..nice effect during
    Estimated.
    
    gotta listen on the way home
    
    rich
23.361SCOONR::GLADUThu Jan 02 1992 14:2923
    Bruce was not there. Vince really showed his stuff during the entire 
    run, too. Best I've seen him play and most I've heard him sing. 
    
    There was no Father Time per se, unless you count Mickey dressed in
    some sort of white tunic pounding on the screen drum that was dragged 
    onto center stage. It was definitely a drummer's greeting to the New Year 
    as Olatunji's percussionists and dancers joined in on the countdown.
    
    Instead of FT coming down they had the old Winterland mirror ball rising 
    up to the rafters. Then a large Lightening Bolt (tm) came down part way
    and settled above the stage. They used the mirror ball for the rest of the 
    evening. No float coming thru the crowd and everything took place on
    or above the stage.
    
    The highlight was between sets when they showed a 45 minute video of all 
    of Bill Graham's Father Time's from 1978 thru 1990. Virtually no one
    wandered the halls during the break.
    
    12/28 was far and away the best show of the run, followed by 12/30. New
    Years was a typical show but you don't go to NYE for the show, you go
    just to *be there*. ;-)
    
    Gerry
23.362thanks for clearifyingWFOV11::BUTZEQuick beat of an icy heart...Thu Jan 02 1992 14:364
    Thanks Gerr...It sounds like Vince is starting to get the feeling 
    of things..thats good news ...what I heard sounded great.
    
    rich
23.363CSLALL::HENDERSONDon't go near that riverThu Jan 02 1992 14:3710

 I really enjoyed hearing the band without Hornsby...Vince did a heck of
a job from what I was able to hear..





Jim
23.364Inquiring minds want to know...BARFLY::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastThu Jan 02 1992 15:276
re < Note 23.361 by SCOONR::GLADU >

>    Years was a typical show but you don't go to NYE for the show, you go
>    just to *be there*. ;-)

	Does it matter what you wear???      ;-)    
23.365SCOONR::GLADUThu Jan 02 1992 15:366
re:   <<< Note 23.364 by BARFLY::BELKIN "the slow one now will later be fast" >>>
   
>Does it matter what you wear???      ;-)    

    only if it's a laminate. :-)
    
23.366SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Jan 03 1992 04:3549
Yeah, I have to agree that the 27th was kind of average.  The 28th was great,
especially The Same Thing.  Bobby messed up the 1st and 3rd verses (maybe he'll
study up on the lyrics before the Mardi Gras run ;-).  Great jam leading into
it.   The transition from Saturday Night into Jack Straw was abrupt.  The
Saturday Night reprise ending the second set was nice.  Standing on the Moon
was sweet.  Jerry and Bob both messed up a lot of the lyrics throughout the
run.  I thought the 30th was really really good.  Lots of great jams!  Really
inspired!  I didn't see Airto up there until Ship of Fools, but I may have
missed him during Samson.  Bobby took what would've been Bruce's turn on
Maggies's Farm, but he sang the exact same verse that Vince did - not sure
why he did that.  The Last Time was really nice.

NYE was fun!  Baba Olatunji opened.  I recognized some of the tunes like "Dance
to the beat of the Drum" and "Jewe" from Planet Drum.  Baba had a bunch of wild
black female dancers with him - reminds me a lot of Fela.  Bela Fleck and the
Flecktones came on next.  I went to see them on the night off at the Catalyst in
Santa Cruz, and they did pretty much the same thing, but compressed.  I guess
it's hard to have a lot of diversity when you've only been around for 2 years.
A highlight was the God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen/Little Drummer Boy.  I love
Bela!  Then the Dead came on.  The first set was excellent.  Right before BIODTL
when it was clear that it was what they were going to do, someone shouted "Do
it 92 times, Mickey!!", but Mickey only did 9 beats 8-).  The Black Throated
Wind was really good.  I loved the Help->Slip->Franklin closer.  The buildup
to midnight included a video called "Ghosts of New Years Past" which showed
the countdown to the midnight spectacle from 1978 (closing of Winterland) to
last year.  Reliving some of those moments was fun!!  Maybe we should all
write to GD Merchandising to get them to sell copies of it 8-).  The midnight
spectacle was not anything like the BG spectacles.  It may have been intentional
The "spectacle" started with Airto coming out in a brown-hooded chanting his
"Pigs in Space" rhythm from "At the Edge".  I always thought that's one of the
weirdest songs I've ever heard.  Then Mickey came out and pounded on the square
kong drum from the Planet Drum shows.  He was wearing a white hooded sweatshirt
and a multicolored jeweled mask (really strange looking).  On either side of the
stage were set up stages that held Baba's band through it all.  Flares came down
from the ceiling and the countdown began.  At midnight, there was a big bang
and more fireworks.  Some huge flame jets shot up at the front of the stage.
A picasso moon (disco ball ;-) came up from behind the kong drum and traveled up
to the roof of the arena.  A lightning bolt with the edge outlined in lights
went up.  The balloons didn't come down at the stroke of midnight.  It was
really weird.  We kept looking up and nothing was happening.  Finally at about 7
minutes past midnight, the balloons came down.  I grabbed one and stuck my pin
through it.  It didn't pop.  I poked it a few more times and it still didn't
pop.  Boy, was that weird!!  The balloon from hell!! ;-)  I love NYE's no
matter what happens!!  Second set was good.  During Sugar Mag, Mickey's 2 sons,
Creek and Taro came out and played drums with dad.  The Sugar Mag and Knockin'
were for Bill and definitely the Not Fade.  It's not the same without Bill!!

peace,
t!ng
23.367SCOONR::GLADUFri Jan 03 1992 10:5411
    >Bela Fleck and the Flecktones came on next.  I went to see them on the 
    >night off at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz, and they did pretty much the 
    >same thing, but compressed.  
    
    Same thing except for the audience participation part (ooohhh, aaahhh ;-)
  
    re: baloons from hell
    
    They were tough to pop. If you poked holes in them, they still wouldn't
    burst. Weird. 
    
23.368Hornsby's whereaboutsLESPE::WHITEWithout love in a dream...Fri Jan 03 1992 22:286
	Bruce Hornsby was not at the show becsue the Hornsby's are 
	expecting the arrival of twins a bit later this month...

	Bob

23.369Mardi Gras run so far...SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Feb 24 1992 19:4849
I'm too damned tired to write a review ;-), but here's some comments...

The first night's show got a rocking start with the Bertha/Promised
Land opener.  Other highlights of the first set (for me) was Wang Dang
and Loose Lucy - a very fine and jamming rendition.  I'm not going to
try to describe the new songs.  I heard they have 10 new ones.  This run
won't cover them all, so I'm sure they'll break out the rest during the
east coast tour.  I like Phil's "Wave to the Wind" more than Jerry's
"So Many Roads".  It was quite obvious that Phil was incredibly psyched
to do the song.  I thought he was going to leap into the air any moment
the way he was pumping his arm before the tune.  We could alwways tell
when a new tune's coming up because Jerry would walk up and flip the
sheets on his music stand ;-).  Phil was a lttle more subtle about it - he
had a little cheat sheet attached to his mike.  I guess Jerry is never
one for subtlety, is he?? ;-)  Second set was excellent.  The Mississippi
1/2 Step was a sweeper (swept me off my feet, that is 8-).  The He's Gone
was good, but I think they left out something (a phrase?? a note?? - who
knows??), but it didn't feel complete.  Is this the first He's Gone after
B.G.'s death??

Last night was good too.  Two more new tunes.  I really really really like
Vince's new tune "It's a Long Long (Long Long Long Long) Way Back Home"
(Yep, 6 Long's in the chorus, so I don't know why they settled with 2 in
the title 8-).  The crowd went wild when Vince took the lead vocals.  Jerry
and Bobby sang backup.  Vince had been very prominent in the mix these two
nights.  He was definitely *on*!!  There were a lot of "Bruce" type tingle
notes in his jams.  I'm sure Vince can do most of what Bruce can!  His only
setback earlier was Healy turning him down when Bruce was around.  The Black
Throated Wind was a highlight.  Corina was good (I think).  It's really hard
to comment on something that I've heard just once.  Most of the time, I'm
busy trying to figure out what the lyrics are 8-}.  We all thought Bobby was
singing Maureena.  We kind of figured out it might be the new Mickey tune
Mickey was talking about during the KPFA Dead Marathon last weekend since
both Bobby and Jerry consulted with Mickey before the song.  Well, so far,
it's one new tune per singing member.  Now if they would only make Mickey
and Billy sing too ;-).  Second set highlight was the pre-space segue
and of course drums...ummm, I mean *DRUMS*!!  8-)  Terrapin was beautiful!!
The notes building up to the chorus swelled like a wave!  <insert sigh of
satisfaction 8-)>  Hamza El Din came out to play the tar with Mickey
during drums.  Both Mickey and Hamza El Din played tars while Billy
continued on the drums.  Hamza El Din is really a master at the tar.
Accompanied by his chanting, the combined sound can only be described as
hypnotic.  I love the tar (not to be confused with the UNIX tar 8-/ 8-}).

Anyways, onto the Lundi Gras show tonight!!  I love Mardi Gras!!  Festive
parade, colorful costumes, mandatory Iko 2nd-set opener...  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.370'taint prettySTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Feb 24 1992 19:556
    I've heard Mickey sing,..
    
    Be happy with what you have :-) :-) :-)
    
    						/
    
23.371Tanks T!ng But ........SPICE::FIELDSyoudon'tlie,youdon'tlie,youdon'tlieMon Feb 24 1992 20:0813
    nice review T!ng but I got one question....
    
    
    
    
    	we east coast 'heads haveta ask this ya know
    
    
    
    
    		TAPES !!!!!!!????????
    
    Chris :')
23.372VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenTue Feb 25 1992 12:311
    Oh T!ng... some day I'm moving to San Francisco... 
23.373MArdi gras review...SPICE::PECKARShadow skiing the apocalypseTue Feb 25 1992 16:2947
rom: William Kimmerly <ipanema@ccb.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Mardis Gras set list
Reply-To: ipanema@ccb.ucsf.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1992 15:17:02 GMT

24 Feb. 1992
Oakland Coliseum

Touch of Grey
Feel Like A Stranger
Friend of the Devil
Masterpiece
Althea
Cassidy

Iko Iko >
orina >
The Other One >
A Long Long Way >
The Same Thing >
Drumspace >
Wave to the Wind >
The Other One >
So Many Roads >
Lovelight

Mighty Quinn


Well, a very unpredictable 2nd set IMHO.  Not the sort of night where one
would have much luck calling songs :-) !  I thought it was a real fresh
touch to break up The Other One into two parts (one verse each).  Phil
lowered the boom but good to lead into the first part.  After two
llistenings, I'd have to say that Weir's new song is called Morina (or
maybe Maureena).  I'm still not 100% sure, but I just couldn't hear any
other name that fit.  I did get the impression that this was an awful lot
of new stuff to throw at the crowd all at once.  Therefore it seemed to me
that, other than Iko Iko and Lovelight, the crowd was prety subdued for
most of the 2 second set.  The Mardis Gras parade was spectacular!  The
lead float was a Dead locomotive leading a Rock Med ballooned freight car.
The locomotive was labelled "99 WALSTIB".  Lots of other giant caricatures
and puppets.  My favorite item was a "Steal You Face" box out of which
popped Bart Simpson.  For sheer decadent hoopla, I'd say that Mardis Gras
surpassed this year's NYE celebration.  A lot of creativity went into that
parade.  A great set of shows, all in all.  Enjoy the new stuff back
east everyone.

23.374some more tidbits re: new songs...SPICE::PECKARShadow skiing the apocalypseTue Feb 25 1992 16:35148
Article        44020
From: djd@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. Dasaro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Oakland Coliseum, Sunday 2/23/92 (new tunes!)
Date: 25 Feb 92 00:51:28 GMT
Sender: djd@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. Dasaro)
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, California
 
 
	"Danny this is Nick, it's Saturday evening.  I can't use my
	ticket for Sunday because I have too much work to do.  Call me
	back if you want it.  Beeep."
 
So started my journey to this show.  New songs are described at the end.
First things first, what was played:
 
     I (lights 7:07, music 7:11-8:07)	     II (lites 8:56, music 9:02-10:50)
Hell In A Bucket			China Cat Sunflower
Peggy-O					-> I Know You Rider
Walkin' Blues				-> Playin' In The Band
Ramble On Rose				-> jam -> Terrapin Station
* It's A Long, Long, Long, Long,	-> jam -> Drums (Hamza)
	Way To Go Home			Space (no -> from Drums to Space)
Black Throated Wind			-> I Need A Miracle
* Maria					-> Stella Blue
					-> Throwin' Stones
					-> Not Fade Away
				Encore:	Box Of Rain
* First time played
 
First some general comments.
1) Hornsby is not there for this run.  
2) Jerry had a music stand in front of him for the new songs.  
3) I've either found the place in the Coliseum where all of the sound
   from Bob's guitar goes or he's up in the mix.  His guitar was loud
   and sporting a raspy, sustained sound, sort of like Garcia's guitar
   work in "Far From Me".
4) A low energy show, at least for me.  Yet I'm not saying this was an
   "off night", it just felt like they wanted to play a clubby, low-key
   show, not a dance-your-socks-off extravaganza.
 
I felt the show was sparse musically, relying more on strong vocals
than heavily layered playing.  The music was tight and seemed to have a
bright, lightweight, airy sound, not heavily orchestrated, sort of like the
coming of spring that we've been experiencing for the past few days after
16 days of rain.  The new songs are not yet developed musically, the band
stuck to basics on these numbers.  Over time the envelope will be
pushed but for now we get a skeletal image of these tunes.
 
Jerry's voice was strong for Peggy-O and Ramble On Rose, although a few
lyrics escaped him on the latter song.  As the setlist might indicate,
the whole first set was slow in tempo, except for the opener.  I
found myself seated until the beginning of China Cat, which is rare for
me.  China Cat was real fun though.
 
After Rider, Playin' started up without a pause, it flowed into a
growling jam that showed off Bob's harsh guitar sound, mentioned above. 
The flow into Terrapin was smooth, and just when you thought Terrapin was
done and Drums was to start, a new lick appeared and the band went into a
melodic jam that may sometime appear in one of the new songs.  Hamza and
Mickey chanted for the second part of drums, and Hamza left with a
"Thank you" that was greeted by a big cheer.  This left the guitar players
to start Space from a dead start, which they managed to do with
aplomb.  From there, we went into Miracle and then a not-too-smooth
transition into Stella Blue, which recovered quickly from its shaky start
and featured more great vocals by Jerry.  Standard closure songs followed.
 
"Box" was in my mind when they came out for the encore, perhaps because
I had read that Hunter thought one of the new Phil songs was even better
than Box Of Rain.  In any event, I was thrilled when this one started.
The vocals during the last "verse" of this song were great, all four
vocalists chiming in without discord.  It left me with a great
feeling.  
 
Overall, an average show in my mind, perhaps due to the fact that I was
much farther from the stage than normal.  I hope to read an opinion
from someone closer to the floor, maybe the energy was higher there.
 
Now, the new songs.  Like most of Set I, they were of a slow tempo.
 
"It's a Long, Long, Long, Long Way To Go Home" (Hunter/Welnick) starts
out with a keyboard introduction (I thought of Mydland's "Far From Me")
and falls into a steady rhythm from there.  It has about 4 verses, sung
by Vince, and a repeated chorus, sung by all four non-percussion
players.  The chorus is low, sort of like Wang Dang Doodle without
Weir's highs, and was within everybody's range, creating a pleasant
sound.  There is room for a guitar solo, Jerry gave us one that
was rather controlled.  I'm sure both songs will stretch out with some
time.  I didn't catch enough words to transcribe the verses, but I'll
try to give a description, maybe you can get the feel.  As far as I
could tell, a verse might go like this (was San Francisco mentioned in
one verse?):
 
You're walkin' around, doing this, doing that.  (About 10 syllables/line) 
Wonderin' what __ __ __ __ __ __ __		(fill in as you please)
Well I'll tell you that __ __ __ __ __ __ __
You'll find the road can be __ __ __ __ __ __ __
 
Chorus.  The "/" are beat marks, which are evenly spaced in time.   So
the word "long" is sung in the same amount of time as "It's a".  As for
tempo, lines are delivered in a normal conversational mode, about 4 beats
in a second (set your metronome to about 180-200 and do each of the first
two lines in about 4 seconds).  In the last line, the word "way" is held
about 5 beats.  The chorus somehow sounded like something CSN would do,
like in "Wooden Ships" or "Long Time Gone."
 
/    / / /   / /   / /   / /  /   /  /  /
It's a long, long, long, long way to go home
It's a long, long, long, long way to go home
It's a long, long, long, long, long long way, to go home. 
 
 
"Maria" (Weir/???) is interesting.  It starts with a military-march-ish
drum intro, and the drums continue in that same rhythm throughout the song.
 Maybe they'll vary it a bit later.  Then Jerry went into a little
introduction that sounded a bit like they might attempt Santana's
"Black Magic Woman" or maybe even "White Rabbit".
 
Then the front 4 started the chorus, which looks something like this...
Front four:	"Ma-ree-ah" (stretched out over 2-3 seconds)
Weir: 		Single line, one of which I think was "I am true to her"
 
The harmonies needed some work on "Ma-ree-ah", someone was off.  This
one too is sung low so it shouldn't be out of range, but maybe it was
too low for Vince.  The beginning of each 4 line verse (sung by Weir)
somehow reminded me of the first half of the Beatles' line "Wouldn't you
like to be one of the beautiful people."  The lines of the verses are in
2 parts, sort of a rise and a fall, such as "I do this, she does that."
 
The song has an underlying guitar riff that shows up often.  It's four
notes, the first three being short (and the same note), the fourth
longer and a little higher.  If you're counting the beat (1 2 3 4,
quick tempo), the first three notes fall in the 1 2 and the fourth note is
held for the final two counts.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if I heard someone say they found this song
monotonous, the verses go by quickly and we're back to the chorus chant
quite soon.  But it held my interest for some reason.  I especially liked
the end of the song, which dissolved into a jam that was simple, mostly
chords bouncing back and forth, and lots of Weir's growling guitar
(power chords), not quite as harsh as "Victim" but in the neighborhood.
I'll probably have fun playing along with tapes of this part since the
chords are probably within my limited playing ability.
 
There, now that I've put my thoughts down I can read what everyone else
wrote about this show and the new tunes.  Hope tonight is a fun one!
 
-DannyD.
23.375Lundi Gras showSKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Feb 25 1992 22:5380
>Well, a very unpredictable 2nd set IMHO.  Not the sort of night where one
>would have much luck calling songs :-) !

Hey!!  That's not true!!  I called Iko...I know, I know - that one doesn't
count ;-)

>3) I've either found the place in the Coliseum where all of the sound
>   from Bob's guitar goes or he's up in the mix.  His guitar was loud
>   and sporting a raspy, sustained sound, sort of like Garcia's guitar
>   work in "Far From Me".

I think Danny was referring to Vince's organ sounds, not Bobby's guitar.
Vince was turned up everywhere in the arena, not just the nosebleeds where
Danny was hanging out ;-).

My personal impression of this show is that it was the best of the three.
The opening act was D'Cuckoo.  They are a all female electronic percussion
band.  During the first few songs, they had a guest musician playing a
digiredoo (sp?).  They did a rap/new wave song on democracy that was very
poorly received, but most of their music has sort of an electronized African
beat to it.  Mickey was invited out to jam with them toward the end.  He
seemed to be having fun.  I wonder what his wife thinks of him running around
with these chics 8-).  Anyways, toward the end, they threw some kind of 
percussion ball into the audience which would make a sound every time someone
hits it.  It was pretty fun - kind of like arena beach ball.  It wreaked havoc
in some sections when people fell over each other trying to hit the ball,
but it was mostly fun if you didn't get fallen on top of (I didn't - WHEW!!)

The first set was well-played even though it was short.  The song selection
was really good.  Jerry had his music stand in front of him still, but it
seems he was using it for more than just the new songs.  During FOTD, he
had to glance at his music sheet to see where he left his wife ;-).  

The second set started off with the mandatory Iko for the parade.  And boy, 
the parades just get better and better every year!!  I was about 10 feet
from the stage (Jerry-side) and we had to stand up when they cleared a 6-ft
aisle for the parade, but there wasn't too much of a crush.  I just had to be
on the floor for the parade though.  You don't get any Mardi Gras souvenirs
hanging out in the seats 8-).  I don't remember all the floats that went by.
I certainly remember the Bart Simpson.  There was a stilt-walker leading a
dinosaur.  There were a lot of giant heads on sticks painted with all sorts
of colors - I think there was a few Chinese sages and warriors.  There was
a float with a belly dancer.  I hope the roll of film that I shot comes out!
That ought to jolt my memory a little!! 8-)  Some of the souvenirs that got
thrown out included the traditional beads, some plastic animals, lots of
flowers, some GD baseball-style trading cards.  I got a Bobby/The Other One
card (anyone up for a trade?? ;-)  There were also boxes of King Kondoms being
thrown with a picture of King Kong on the front.  What King Kong has to do
with condoms is beyond me unless if they're referring to his size ;-).

The second set was excellent.  I had been thinking that I need a second
listen to get more used to the new songs.  Well, I got it.  All 4 new songs
broken out so far crammed into second set!!  Zowie!!  So if you want to 
hear them all, this is the tape to get (besides the fact that it's the best
of the run 8-).  "The Same Thing" was very nice.  This one was planned as
opposed to the last time they did it accidentally.  It was SWEET!!  The Other
One split was nice.  The pre-space Other One segment was a lot stronger than
the post-drums one.  Jerry wasn't doing much of anything during the second
half of TOO.  The new songs seem to flow in and out of the other songs much
better and the band seem much more comfortable doing them than the first time
they did them.  Before "So Many Roads", Jerry fumbled with his music sheets
which did not seem to want to stay on the stand.  He finally grabbed them and
folded them in half.  I kept feeling like I was at a rehearsal ;-).  Anyways,
the music sheets managed to fall to the floor during the song despite his
valiant efforts.  Ramrod ran up and picked it up and put it onto the stand
the right way for him while the crowd cheered 8-).  Bobby glanced sideways
at Jerry and smiled.  The Lovelight was energetic.  The Quinn encore was a
welcome way to end the run.  It, of course, got the usual cheer during the
appropriate lyrics (Everybody's gonna want to doz/se 8-).

Overall, the show was strong and musically very tight.  I plugged into a
friend of mine in the taper section the last two nights of the run.  I'll
have to check the quality of the tapes tonight to see how they are.  If they
pass the quality assurance test, I may offer them up for a tree if there's
any interest.  By the way, Joel Finkel flew in from Chicago to help usher
the show.  He said he's back at DEC as a consultant so look for him at a 
notesfile near you!!  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.376..and a diggereedoo 2 U 2...SPICE::PECKARShadow skiing the apocalypseWed Feb 26 1992 12:362
Sorry, someone hasta take rich's place...
23.377Jackhammer->The HealSAHQ::SWITTSOnly one way to go from hereWed Mar 04 1992 13:4121
    comments on 3-2-92
    
    Drums sequence included Bill on, this is no lie, the Jack Hammer.!!
    
    Bill suddenly showed up behinnd (I had 14th row so I could see this)
    Bobbys rack with a Hydrolic Jack hammer.  He had some sort of plate
    on the floor hooked up to a mic..... he was having a ball doing it and
    it made some pretty intense noise....  Mickey got pretty psyched too
    and started jumping up in the air and using the heal of his foot 
    on the rebound against his large drums..... making this crashing
    sound to go with the rat-a-tat of the jack hammer.... very unusual !
    
    Out of space they did a rockin' other one, with Phil doing some major
    thunder to start it off like a storm from hell !!  Lights by Candice
    some of the best I've seen during OO.  
    
    Got to run, already wrote this in once and Modem crashed...
    
    
    Randy
    
23.378Another new one?MR4DEC::WENTZELLExpert Only &lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;Fri Mar 06 1992 11:525
RE: 62.108  3/5/92

Same Thing??  Is this new?  Old?

Scott
23.379same thing,old tuneGIAMEM::DMITCHELLYou'll not see nothing like...Fri Mar 06 1992 12:0211
    
    re: Scott .378
    
    It's new in the rotation, but I think it goes back to the '70's..
    Bobby pulled this out last fall and twice since..It hadn't been
    played for 18 years or something like that..?
    
    Does this make since?? Deadbase..
    
    Don
    
23.380SCOONR::GLADUFri Mar 06 1992 12:474
    re: spring tour
    
    Geez, I'm already sick of the new songs and I haven't even heard 
    them yet. :-) :-) :-)
23.381SPICE::PECKARShadow skiing the apocalypseFri Mar 06 1992 12:499
	So I guess tonight's the st steven->other one->Cosmic Charlie show

Gee, If I leave now, mebbe I can make it down there for the second set....


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....


23.382CLOSUS::BARNESFri Mar 06 1992 14:183
    same thing was a pig song...thanks to Mrogers for a 67 tape that has a
    GRATE version of that plus death don't have!!! %^)
                                                      rfb
23.383LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsFri Mar 06 1992 15:2312
RE;       <<< Note 23.381 by SPICE::PECKAR "Shadow skiing the apocalypse" >>>


>	So I guess tonight's the st steven->other one->Cosmic Charlie show

>Gee, If I leave now, mebbe I can make it down there for the second set....

	Seems I've heard this before .... Chris, Bbb - have you heard this?  :-)

Lisa_who_is_one_of_the_people_Fog_tried_to_convinve_to_take_off_for_Hampton_
yesterday

23.384XANADU::GRABAZSYou got me workin', boss man...Fri Mar 06 1992 16:137
	anyone else reading the Hampton setlists with as much
	anticipation as ME!  When it came up on my screen my
	eyes tried to absorb every word at once!

	Debess

23.385SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Mar 06 1992 16:224
>	So I guess tonight's the st steven->other one->Cosmic Charlie show
>Gee, If I leave now, mebbe I can make it down there for the second set....

Take a plane, fog.  8-)
23.386T!ng, I guess you've never gone for a drive with Fog !SLOHAN::FIELDSyoudon'tlie,youdon'tlie,youdon'tlieFri Mar 06 1992 17:386
    If we leave right now we can make the opening chords, but we must drive
    rilly rilly rilly RILLY FAST !!!
    
    Wake me when we get there :')
    
    Chris
23.387SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Mar 09 1992 15:486
> T!ng, I guess you've never gone for a drive with Fog ! 

Yes, I count my blessings everyday!!  8-)  ;-)

peace,
t!ng
23.388SCOONR::GLADUTue Mar 10 1992 11:592
    I hope Landover is having lots of fun extracting miles of duct
    tape from the taper seats because of the mic stand ban. :-)
23.389No more Cap Center for me!!!!GRANPA::TDAVISTue Mar 10 1992 12:136
    I saw the tapers up and running on Sunday, I thought there was a ban?
    I also will never go to the Cap Center again for a "show". I am
    tired of being treated as an animal. It took 45 minutes to get into
    the doors, as two people completed search's. The system was broken
    so bad on Sunday, we did not go back on Monday. It was our worst
    concert ever!!
23.390SCOONR::GLADUTue Mar 10 1992 12:234
    re: -.1
    
    Ban on mic stands in the rows, not a ban on taping. They were allowed
    to duct tape the stands to the seats.
23.391SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Mar 10 1992 16:078
So where's the review for Landover from last night  That post-space
seg look great!!  Dark Star *and* Morning Dew *and* a Satisfaction
encore.  YOWZA!!  How's their playing??  Did Jerry remember all the
words??  Did Bobby scream and did he spit (this one's rhetorical 8-)??
Inquiring minds wanna know!!

peace,
t!ng
23.392:-)SSGV02::STROBELPawSox open in 1 monthTue Mar 10 1992 16:355
Saw on the Net as a name for the venue in Landover, MD

Capital Punishment Centre

;^)
23.393Philly 3/16/92, opening nightANOSWS::COMFORTSpent a little time on the hillWed Mar 18 1992 00:0843
    
    
    From Philly, opening night.
    
    I gotta agree with re .-n about the searches and the amount of time
    it takes to get into the Spectrum, Cap Center, etc.  But, the scene
    is fine once you get in.
    
    I know I don't often participate ...

    This was the best DEAD concert I've seen in at least 4 shows, ~ 6 years
    (I'd like to get out more).  I enjoyed the show greatly, perhaps for
    reasons not of the norm: they were not "tight", they fooled around,
    Bobby lost his monitor at one point, Jerry's amp/midi went into
    sustained feedback mode for ~10 minutes in a jam when they were comin'
    into Morning Dew and everyone was gettin' a little pissed, it was
    GRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This equated to a 10 minute guitar solo for
    Bobby...its been years since I heard him play a lot. Phil sang on two
    songs, whatever and whatever (the first song, a Stones cover and
    Bobby's new one), Hornsby was with them (first time I've seen this) and
    with all five singing Bob's new song, the vocals were very powerful (a
    little rough on the middle 8, but hey...it's a new song!!).  They
    played some Dylan and a two song blues slide.  A little eclectic
    (finally) and just some plain old fun.
    



    
    With the upcoming politcal stuff, I just gotta say
    
    Never give up hope, cause the amount of tie-dye is always a clue as to
    the strength of the flow... 

	"How shall we say it, shall we call it by a name?"


    
    Dave Comfort
    
    
    Vote for Jerry Brown, he's the only one who got a clue!
    
23.394DEDSHO::CLARKDidn'tcha see the CROWDS?!?Wed Mar 18 1992 20:069
Did anyone notice some guy launch into a rant during the Wed. 3/11 Nassau
show break?  He was on the 2nd tier, on the far end of the stadium from the
stage, waving his arms and yelling for a good solid 3 minutes, at least.  I
was kinda concerned that he was going to announce his discovery of the
possibility of unassisted flight, then demonstrate it ... but the people
around him who were listening were laughing and clapping.  Anyone know what
this dude was laying down?

- Davester
23.395SCOONR::GLADUThu Mar 19 1992 12:058
    A rather large guy with a beard? That's probably "hinging" from
    the well (Abdul Jamar something-or-other). He's been around for a 
    long time, always ranting about something. During the sets, he rants
    quietly on a laptop. :-) My personal favorite was the "Greatest Show
    On Earth" spiel he did next to the taper's line in London. I wish I 
    taped it for filler, it was unbelievable!
    
    - Gerry
23.396AWARD::CLARKAnother Dave Clark?Thu Mar 19 1992 12:472
I think he was kinda tall and lanky, with black curly hair and a beard,
yeah.  What a riot ....
23.397couple'o'thingsLANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeThu Mar 26 1992 11:4110
re:  -< 3/24/92 >-

WOW!  When was the last Greatest Story?  

And 3 new songs in a row to end the 1st set.....

Now where did they stick that Lost Sailor?  Maybe they'll find it....

bob

23.398GreatestMR4DEC::WENTZELLExpert Only &lt;&gt;&lt;&gt;Thu Mar 26 1992 11:5510
>WOW!  When was the last Greatest Story?  

I don't know about '92, but they played it 11 times in '91, the last on 10/28.  
Interesting that 9 of those times it was in the same spot in the setlist (set 
1, song 2) and most of the time followed Bertha.

This according to the setlists in note 65.*

Scott
23.399CSLALL::HENDERSONIs that wicked wind still blowin'?Thu Mar 26 1992 12:029

I think they opened one of the recent Philly (or was it Nassau) shows recently.





Jum
23.400TERAPN::PHYLLISfly through the nightThu Mar 26 1992 14:134
    
    Yeah I just heard it somewhere.  Either Nassau or the 2nd night Philly.
    
    
23.401LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsThu Mar 26 1992 14:586

well, thanks to the last few replies my memory jogged.  It was played one
of the nights in Nassua two weeks ago.

Lisa
23.402Was Bruce there??ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNThu Mar 26 1992 15:596
    Does anyone know if Bruce played at Hamilton or Detroit??
    Sounds like they played some nice shows in both places.
    
    :-)
    Thanks,
    Scott
23.403he was in canadaEZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Mar 26 1992 17:039
re:  <<< Note 23.402 by ANGLIN::GEBHART "Met her accidentally in St.Paul, MN" >>>
>                             -< Was Bruce there?? >-
>
>    Does anyone know if Bruce played at Hamilton or Detroit??
>    Sounds like they played some nice shows in both places.

Bruce played at both Hamilton shows.

adam
23.404:^)JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryThu Mar 26 1992 17:094
    so, uh, Adam...  how can we twist your arm and get you to do a little 
    hamilton review for us???  hmmmm????
    
    			da ve_jonesin'_cuz_he's_missin'_this_whole_toooor
23.405content-free reviewEZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Mar 26 1992 18:0760
re:   <<< Note 23.404 by JUNCO::DWEST "Dont Overlook Something Extraordinary" >>>
>                                    -< :^) >-
>
>    so, uh, Adam...  how can we twist your arm and get you to do a little 
>    hamilton review for us???  hmmmm????

Well, I'll try... I can't offer the quality and detail of a T!ng_Review(tm),
though.

We got over the border with no problems, even though we mentioned we were going
to Hamilton.  The other car in our convoy did get flagged for secondary
inspection, but they got through that.  Coming back over was equally smooth for
us.  I did not see or hear any horror stories about the border crossing.

These 2 shows were claimed, by my housemate, to be better than the Nassau
shows.    There is a fairly large parking lot across the street from the arena,
and a large food-vending scene was in action.  Didn't see too many shirts for
sale.  The Hamilton/Wentworth cops were very cool.  No problems as far as I
could tell.  I even saw a pair of cops dancing to a drum circle!  The first
night we got in around 7:15 with no problems.  The arena looks pretty new (how
old is it?) and is well laid out.  For the first night we sat straight back in
the lower tier.  The sound was excellent from start to finish.  My housemate
had a friend running his deck in the taper's section and the audience tapes
came out excellent.  Security seemed non-existent.  People were partaking in
this and that with no intervention from nearby guards.  As for the show itself
(you mean there's a show, too? :-)) I can't remember too much detail except to
say the songs were great.  The Same Thing was slow and bluesy.  Maggie's Farm
elicited the usual crowd roars, especially for Vince and Phil.  Promised Land
was one of the more rocking versions I've seen.

The Shakedown in the second set wasn't quite up to snuff, IMO.  Women Smarter
doesn't do much for me anyway.  After Women Smarter, they started up Dark Star
without too much tuning beforehand to tip it off.  The second verse was played
through, but no vocals.  Phil shined on The Other One.  Standing on the Moon
had Jerry belting out some soulful "rather be with you"'s.  US Blues was fun to
hear considering which country we were in.

For the second night the entrance was crowded and I missed Help->Slip but did
arrive to hear them start up Franklin's.  I wish it were the other way around! 
While walking to the concession stand for some juice during Franklin's I bumped
into Sean O'Connor and his friend Noreen.  I spent the rest of the set talking
with them in the hallway, and thus can't offer much here.

The Vince tune in the second set is pretty good.  I used to think Vince wasn't
a great singer, but I realized he is much better than I thought.  Corrina has a
funky beat, good potential here.  I like this better than I did Victim or the
Crime when it first came out.  Terrapin was about as good as it gets. It led
quickly into drums.  Black Peter was very sweet.  A lot of people dislike this
tune but I like it.  Saturday Night was *extremely* rocking, one of the best
I've seen.  The Box of Rain encore was welcomed (I'm glad it wasn't Heaven's
Door or Baby Blue).

The vocals were very good both nights.  No screw-ups or cracked notes.

Throughout the weekend, I was trying to tell the canadian heads from the
americans, but I couldn't.  Except for the ones who said "eh" a lot!

Back next year (hopefully),

adam
23.406One more day I find myself aliveMEIS::PARERipped-off clever sloganThu Mar 26 1992 19:076
    I normally don't care for black peter live, as it tends to kind of
    drag, but with Bruce at the keys keeping Jerry on his toes, that tune
    rocked! Very bluesy. Best black peter I eva hoid, live or dead (?)! ;')
    
                                    Jason-who-was-luckey-enough-to-make-two 
                                    -shows-this-time-around
23.407SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Thu Mar 26 1992 20:0220
>After Women Smarter, they started up Dark Star
>without too much tuning beforehand to tip it off.  The second verse was played
>through, but no vocals.  

How long was the Dark Star??  Did you remember or guestimate??  So they *did*
do the second verse musically and just didn't sing it??  Inquiring minds really
wanna know!!  8-)

>For the second night the entrance was crowded and I missed Help->Slip but did
>arrive to hear them start up Franklin's.  I wish it were the other way around! 
>While walking to the concession stand for some juice during Franklin's I bumped
>into Sean O'Connor and his friend Noreen.  I spent the rest of the set talking
>with them in the hallway, and thus can't offer much here.

Sounds like you only saw half a song in that whole set, Adam 8-/.  I'd kick
myself for missing H>S>F, but that's just me, so please don't feel obligated
to kick yourself when you read this note ;-) 8-).

peace,
t!ng
23.408whoaXANADU::GRABAZScountry garden in the wind &amp; rainThu Mar 26 1992 20:434
	Adam - let me get this straight - you drove all the way to 
	Canada and then stood out in the hallway talking to someone 
	for a whole set?!?
23.409NOthing like a dead show,.. ever seen one?STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Fri Mar 27 1992 17:368
    really Ad,.. Ting is right,.. don't kick yourself for driving all the
    way to Canada and missing the set becasue you were late and then
    decided to talk in the hallway for the resdt of the ste,..Yes,...
    you shouldn't kick yourslef,.. come over to my cube and *I* will
    kick you...:-)
    
    							/
    
23.410you woulda missed it!AWARD::CLARKI'm still aliveFri Mar 27 1992 18:101
Holy moly Adam, what if Jerry had moved or something?!?  ;^) ;^)
23.411The Old days...SPICE::PECKARShadow skiing the apocalypseFri Mar 27 1992 18:105
	Heck, I've been late for for a show or two in my day: No other reason 
than to savor one last marquirtia and some good company, right Ger???

:-)
23.412OK for you maybeSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Fri Mar 27 1992 18:167
    To each their own I guess,..
    
    You'll never catch me going late intentionally to stand out in the
    hall...
    
    							/
    
23.413*i* know what /Bill does in the halls at shows... :^)JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryFri Mar 27 1992 18:427
    i can vouch for that...  the only time you'll catch / in the hall
    is when he's complaining about how Jerry's letting him down with his
    performance that evening...
    
    			:^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
    
    						da ve
23.414AWECIM::RUSSOFri Mar 27 1992 18:566
    
    Adam.....don't let 'em bother you!!!!
    
    Hogan who has left 2 Dead shows before Drumz/Space on more than one
    occasion (by my own choice), and does not regret doing so.....but then
    again didn't drive all the way up to Canada either time ;^)
23.415:-),. that da vem,.. really knows how to get me going...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Fri Mar 27 1992 19:2619
    
    OK da ve,.. choose your weapons! :-) :-) ;-)
    
    YAh,.. OK,..so you saw me once in thehalls  ***BETWEEN STES*** ragging
    on Jerry,. but hey,. he *was* LAME that night ,.... Oh,.. I don't
    forget that he could sing and sang well that day,. .but the guitar
    parts for that showed could have been mailed in,...
    
    Anyway,... Now that the ball is in my court,.. I can also tell you Adam
    not to feel bad because having seen da ve in the hall I can tell you
    that what he does there is suffer from delusions that hes seeing a good
    show
    
    :-) :-) :-) :-0 :-0
    
    						/a_bad_day_at_a_dead_show_
    						still_blows_doors_on_a_good
    						_day_of_reality...
    
23.416of course, meatballs have been outlawed by the geneva convention...:^)JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryFri Mar 27 1992 19:547
    ok /!!  i accept your challenge...  
    
    of course, being the non-violent kind of guy i am, for my weapons i
    choose linguine (al dente of course) at 30 paces...  first one with an
    empty plate is the winner...  :^)
    
    					da ve
23.417Now m,.. when I count to ten, everybody shout "RONZONI!"STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Fri Mar 27 1992 19:566
    Oh no,!!! NOt the dreaded linguine wars!
    
    Sounds cool,.. can I get clam sauce with mine?
    
    							/
    
23.418:^)JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryFri Mar 27 1992 20:009
    yes...  any seafood products are permissible...  personally i think
    calamari is pushing it a little though...  
    
    but no meat products!!!  no meatballs...  no meat sauce...  no
    sausage...  
    
    and only wimps use parmigiana...  i'll take romano on mine!
    
    					da ve
23.419SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Mar 27 1992 22:276
Ok, guys, lets move this to the "What did you have for lunch" note,
ok?  Reviewing linguinis and calamaris don't belong in a Grateful
Dead Review topic ;-).

peace,
t!ng
23.420EZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Mar 30 1992 18:5411
Geez, I don't feel bad, so stop asking me not to! :-)

The first set didn't contain my favorites.  If they started up Loose
Lucy, maybe I would have at least gone through a gate and hung out in an aisle
for the duration of the song.   After missing Help->Slip, that pretty much
ended the set for me.

If only they did Let the Good Times Roll before it.  That would have given me a
few more minutes to simmer in the mob outside the arena.

adam
23.421LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOchild of countless dreamsMon Mar 30 1992 19:539
Re:   <<< Note 23.420 by EZRIDR::SIEGEL "The revolution wil not be televised" >>>

> Geez, I don't feel bad, so stop asking me not to! :-)

	well HUH!  *I* felt bad for you but no more!!

	Come over here .... so I can kick you!!  ;^)
Lisa
23.422Just had to askMILKWY::SAMPSONDriven by the windMon Mar 30 1992 23:041
    Aah, Adam, Have you ever missed the first song of the first set before?
23.4231 shot?STUDIO::IDEnow it can be toldWed Apr 08 1992 12:134
    Did they play "nobody's Fault But Mine" anywhere besides Boston last
    year?
    
    Jamie
23.425Cal Expo 5/19/92SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Wed May 20 1992 16:4849
The David Grisman Quintet opened the show.  I've seen David's band a
few times and I think if Garcia and Hornsby plays with them, I'd quit
work to follow them around the country ;-).  As I don't know the titles
to the songs, I can't provide a setlist (sorry!), but one of the highlights
of their set for me was when they were doing solos in turn on the same tune,
sort of reminds me of a musical conversation or argument - a lot of back and
forth between the different instruments (one instrument at a time).

The Dead had some new toys for this show.  Instead of monitors, they each
had some kind of receiver strapped to either their guitar or (as in Jerry's
case) their leg, wired into a pair of earphones.  The receiver is a square
box about the size of a walkman.  It picks up signals from an antenna next
to Harry's board on stage. The antenna looks like a jack on the top - really
funky-looking.  The contraptions obviously worked really well since the show
was extremely tight and well-played.  The improvisational segues were long
and inspired.  I think another good thing about using these receivers is that
they get to hear the music better without the crowd noise and they can adjust
the volume so they don't go deaf (monitors can get pretty loud!)

First set highlights were Cold Rain and Let It Grow, although I really should
say the whole set (or show!) was a highlight with the incredibly tight jams.
I think being really able to hear themselves without the usual distractions
must've play a big part.  The China/Rider opener in the second set smoked!!
OW!  8-)  During drums, the volume went out for about 5 minutes.  It was
weird seeing Bill and Mickey up there drumming away and us not being able to
hear anything.  Obviously they were oblivious to the situation since they kept
on drumming in spite of the silence (perhaps a bad side effect of the receivers
and earphones??).  After a lot of encouragement from the crowd and a bit of
scurrying around on stage, they got the volume back on (WHEW!!).

The encore, as you may have well guessed, was just IN<expletive>CREDIBLE!!
8-)  The first notes of Baba O'Reilly had us picking our jaws off the floor.
Then, even more so than the reaction to the first Dark Star, the crowd went
wild!!  And I mean WILD!!  I couldn't stop jumping up and down throughout
the encore and yes, I *did* do some Pete Townsend imitations 8-}, although
Jerry didn't 8-( ;-).  Vince sang lead and Phil and Bob backed up.  Vince
just shone!!  That guy can sing!!  I think Roger Daltry might have some
competition.  The playing was tight and you can tell the band was as psyched
as the crowd!!  Jerry and Mickey both looked over at Vince and grinned
throughout the encore.  You can imagine the reaction when Vince sang "THEY'RE
ALL WASTED!!" 8-)  Teenage Wasteland indeed!  My mind certainly feels like
one after that encore!!  (although I should probably leave out the "teenage"
part 8-)

So much fun 8-) and so little sleep 8-( ;-)!!

peace,
t!ng

23.426LANDO::HAPGOODWed May 20 1992 16:495
Life is  so tuff, eh t!ng!

thanks for the review!!!

bob
23.427sounds like a keeper ...CUPTAY::BAILEYA pirate looks at 40.Wed May 20 1992 17:457
    >> thanks for the review!!!
    
    For sure ... and if you happen to get a tape of this show, I'd like a
    copy ... ;^)
    
    			... Bobbb
    
23.428Cal Expo 5/20/92SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Thu May 21 1992 16:2923
Peter Applebaum and the Hieroglyphics Ensemble opened up the show.
They also opened for the Dead NYE 3 (?) years ago.  The Hieroglyphics
won the Rex Foundation award a few times.  The band consists of most
of-the-time 12 (this number varies depending on when you see them)
members.  The instruments represented include saxophones, trombones,
bongos, grand piano, drums, guitars, and guest violin.  They play
mostly original jazz compositions with some poetry thrown in.  Can
you tell they're Phil's choice??  8-)

The show was overall ok.  Good choice of songs for the first set and
I loved the pre-drums segue.  There was a very noticeable glitch in
Promised Land.  The band tried to cover it by slowing down to get
back into the song, but it came out like a broken record player for
a few seconds.  Box of Rain was very nice.  Phil's voice sounded
excellent!  Bobby forgot the words 3 times during Truckin' (maybe
he needs more practice??  YIKES!!  Like he doesn't get enough 8-/
;-)  The Around & Around was very sweet.  They went from the in-your-
face jam to a slow and long cool jazzy jam and built back up to the
in-your-face jam to finish up the tune (sorry I can't describe it
better than "in-your-face" but you know what I mean ;-).

peace,
a_very_tired_t!ng
23.429Cal Expo 5/21/92SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri May 22 1992 19:4163
Pharoah Sanders opened up the show last night.  I missed part of it 8-(,
but the part I did hear sounded really good.  That ought to teach me not
to go through SF during commuter hours 8-/.  It took us more than 3 hours
getting to Sacramento going through SF as opposed to the 2 hours going
through Livermore, but that's probably irrelevant to east-coasties 8-).
Just moaning...  I won't attempt to comment on the music since I'm not
very familiar with Pharoah Sander's music, but I heard so much about it
that I was really looking forward to it.  The music was cool jazz and
very quiet!!  I found out later that it might have been because the
sound level was turned down 8-/.

The show was much better than Wednesday's show.  The sound was kind of
messed up in the beginning.  That's probably one of the quietest Touch
I've ever seen.  The levels picked up during Wang Dang, but it wasn't
until Row Jimmy that the sound system woke back up for real.  The ender
part of the first set was excellent!!  Maggie's Farm was HOT!!  And
Birdsong was REALLY HOT!!  Jerry got in the most incredible and coherent
jam instead of one of those cacophonous numbers that wanders off into
God knows where!!  Not that he didn't explore - he did indeed, but with
a purpose and a vengeance!!  8-)

The second set opener with Scarlet/Fire picked up where Birdsong left off.
It transformed the audience into a rippling mass of bodies swaying to the
hypnotic rhythm as if in a magical and fulfilling trance.  Who needs drugs
when you've got this music that can bring your mind up to that level of
enlightenment without the distortions!  YES!!  Coming out of space, we
heard a few bars of Gimme Some Lovin', but that quickly eroded to the first
notes of Watchtower.  We were really hoping they'd pick up on those Gimme
Some Lovin' notes too!  8-(  It seems like forever since I've heard it.
Jerry forgot a whole verse to Standing on the Moon resulting in some
catcalls and hoots from the audience.  I hope his earphones really drowned
out some of that audience response.  I think that was kind of rude.  Give
the guy a break!  He's allowed to get senile ;-).  I mean - really!! ;-)

And the encore??  Look, I don't want to talk about it, ok??  These killer
encores are just getting way too much!!  I might die from having such a 
great time!!  ;-)  Just beautiful!!  The crowd sang along to every word
(aka taper's nightmare 8-/).  What a special run!!

I was checking out the new monitorless setup some more last night.  It
looked like Harry had 3 antennae next to his board instead of just one
like I thought.  They stood in a line back so you couldn't see the other
2 if you're too close to the stage.  I also checked out the sides to see
if there was perhaps any hidden monitors flanking the stage.  There
weren't any. The whole setup kind of leads me to believe that Healy is
setting up the shows like a giant studio. The mix in the speakers are
really well balanced (instead of hearing too much Phil (if that's possible
;-) or too much Bobby on any one side).  The band members have little
switches on their mikes that they turn off when they're talking to each
other on stage.  One time Bob messed up and we heard him say something
about whatever not working (didn't quite catch it) - I forgot which
night that happened.  I think maybe Healy is trying to avoid the hassles
he went throught to produce Two From the Vault.  Monitor bleeding into
the mikes??  Get rid of the monitors!!  What a simple and elegant solution!
My hats off to Healy!!  What a guy!  Another thing we discovered is that
the signal coming out from the set of antennae are low-FM, so you can
pick it up with a Walkman if you tune into the right frequency!  Can you
say instant boards!??!!  8->!!

Off to Shoreline this weekend!!  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.430CSCMA::M_PECKARspinning that curious senseFri May 22 1992 19:517
FM Internal broacasts back???  Whooopppiieeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry jamming coherently?     Double whoopie!!!!!!!


:-)
23.431:-)STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Fri May 22 1992 20:047
    Sound like my kind of Birdsong,... Thanks for the review Ting!
    
    Sf during rush hour,.. yeah,. we can relate,.. we have rush hours
    out here too...
    
    					/Bill
    
23.432psychedZENDIA::FERGUSONVillains always blink their eyesTue May 26 1992 14:262
	I'm now getting psyched for the shows!  New songs, and the pressure
is off @ work (first time in 6 mos)........
23.433SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue May 26 1992 17:3150
There were a lot of sound problems during the first show (5/23).  It
sounded ok where we were in the lower level, but people in the upper 200
levels said the levels were very low there.  The first show was distinctly
comatose energy-wise ;-).  The Stella Blue was good though.

The second show was really good - better than any of the Cal Expo run
(even with the amazing encores).  Incredible jam during Shakedown paved
the way for the rest of the show.  The whole show was tight and well-played.
The energy level was back up (seemed like they got some sleep since the
previous day ;-).  All the new songs clustered together in the second set
didn't so anything to wane the energy of the show.  I have to say though
that even though So Many Roads is getting better, it still seems like it's
trying to find its niche.  Post space was just intense (short, but intense)!! 
The Last Time built up the incredible momentum for that heart-wrenching Dew!!
(AAAAAHHHHH!! 8-)  The Johnny B. Goode was a nice change.

And last night's show was by far (and I meant by *FAR*) the best of the
tour!!  The only thing that will describe yesterday's show is ZEEOWIE!!!
8->!!  That show eclipsed every other show on the tour so far!!  YOWZA!!
From the first note to the last, our feet didn't stop moving!!  The song
selection was good.  The second set was beyond description!  It was Jerry's
night!  Every song was rendered with much conviction and soul.  The Iko 
rocked.  Bobby's Spoonful wailed away into a New Speedway that sent the
crowd up in a roar!  During drums, Mickey did the locomotive whistle with
his drums (someone here mentioned he did that at Nassau, is that right?)
It *was* hilarious!!  He seemed like he was having a good time 8-)  I think
it was Mickey anyways.  It could've been Billy.  Hearing the first notes of
Throwing Stone out of space, we felt cheated out of a song.  During the
"Samson" jam in Throwing Stones, Bobby did his rock star thing with running
towards the front of the stage and back and almost missed his queue when he 
was supposed to go back to the mike to pick up the lyrics.  He got back just
in time, but he forgot where he had left off.  DUH...  He laughed at himself
for the goof-up.  Then the first notes of Attics hit our ears!  We can't
believe that they will actually bless a west-coast show with an Attics!!
;-)  Gee, Jerry, we've only been waiting for 2 years!!  And we were not
disappointed!!  What a way to break up a Throwing/Away!!  No NFA ever sounded
better to these ears after that!!  And Vince did the only thing he knew to
top that kind of a show.  He started off into Baba O'Riley (or is that
O'Reilly?)  It was even better than the one at Cal Expo and just as much
fun!!  During Baba O'Riley, Bobby leaped into the air and attempted a midair
split.  He donned a very sheepish grin afterwards like he was saying that
he had to at least *try* it ;-).  I'm just waiting for Jerry to at least try
a pinwheel and maybe a leap if the stage doesn't collapse during the attempt
;-).  All the other band members cracked up when Bobby did his Townsend
imitation 8-).  I think this encore is here to stay.  The whole band just
seemed to have had so much fun both times they did it!!  8->!!  You folks
will be in for a good time in the upcoming east-coast tour!!

peace,
t!ng
23.434SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue May 26 1992 18:0112
One other thing I forgot to mention is that some folks had a crane
set up outside the amphitheatre for bungee-jumping.  I'm pretty sure
this was not a BGP idea.  They were charging between $49 to $79 a
jump.  The more expensive jumps are the higher jumps and the ones where
they tie you around the ankles 8-/.  I somehow couldn't come up with
$50 to have someone throw me off a crane 8-/.  The funniest bungee-
jumper was someone dressed as the red dancing bear.  The whole place
must've been cheering when he was ready to jump 8-).  He did it by the
feet 8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.435LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureTue May 26 1992 18:0513

Thanks for the review Ting ... I am getting so psyched!!  And yes, it was
me who mentioned the train whistle at Nassau -> it was definitely Bill and
it definitely looked like fun (and sounded LOUD)!  :-)

I am glad Bobby got the Townsend thing out of his system (or did he?)  Anyway,
just the though of a Townsend jump makes me hysterical at the memory of a
friend from college who did that in a (low-ceiling'd) fraternity house party
room.  As he hit the ceiling he looked like a cartoon character whose head and
upper body folded up into an accordian shape, in slow motion.  :-) 


23.436SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue May 26 1992 19:5412
>I am glad Bobby got the Townsend thing out of his system (or did he?)

Well, he *did* get in a midair split for someone that doesn't quite know
how to do a split, so he's not as elegant as a gymnast, but definitely
more flexible than most guys I know 8-).


                           O          <--LIKE THIS!!  8-)
                           |
          PHIL        ____/ \____         JERRY
          HERE         SIDE-VIEW           HERE
                        OF BOB
23.437LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureTue May 26 1992 20:234

	:-) :-)  I'm dying!!!!  :-) :-)

23.438a warped perspective of the recent savage journey into the heartland of the american dead dreamCXDOCS::BARNESMon Jun 01 1992 10:34102
    here it is... 3;30AM on a CHILLY Colo Monday Morning, 47 Degrees...
    JUST in from the Vagas Shows..."If yer lookin to be silly, you've come
    to(make that FROM) the right place"...it feels good to be cold again...
    drinkin a "Looks Like Palm Sunday Ale"...half in one gulp
    
    5-29-92 
    was a slow but COOKIN show (baked on the inside as well as the
    out) 1/2 step was slowas was Walkin ...long break then PEGGY-0 that was
    SWEEEEEEEEEEEET..BTW and a TLEO that WAS WHAT IT SAID for me and Patty....
    Memphis
    and a JAckaRow and a PROMISED LAND clsoer taht was GRATE. 
    
    _____________lot's a crazyness here____________________________
    
    THE HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT CHINA CAT that I had been hearin 
    teases of all first set wore my new
    berkinstocks INNNNNNNNNN the Rider was OK
    looks like Bob was goodCRAZY FINGERS was SWEEEETinto playin that was a
    good dancer...D/S Patty and I left the craziees were were with and hit
    the grasssy "recoop" enclosure....WATCHETOWER and Stella/china doll ( I
    say it was China Doll All the time but there's an agrument) was
    REEEAAAL good SUNSHINE DAY DREAM was the best tune ALL
    DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Weight oncore got blown off the satge by the wind
    storm that came out of the desert
    
    5-30-92
    saw us hit the parking lot with my sister that lives in that
    godfrosakinplace for her second show the previous daybeing her first
    and after a smooth mellow indoctrenation decided to let her experience
    something extra-ordinary.....and then went shoping in the scene
    ...our summer roadrobe is complete
    jackstraw was good-->SUGAREE %^) %^)-->wangdang,,a Hightime follwed then a
    MAGGIES, CUMBERLAND was COOKIN...!!!!!! Cassidy went--->Dough Kness
    that kicked!!!!!!!
    ___________some REAL craZIENSEESSSS HEEEERRRRR---------
    
    I WENT TO MEET ALL YOU DEC-HEADS AT THE GRENNPEAce booth but only ran
    into Glenn and Danyell, who had grins and t-kill-u rewfreashers....
    I held up NTTH stickers and yelled DEC - HEADS  a coupl of
    times---soryy we missed each otheer,,
    
    EYES.. and i saw my friend Dan there, like I new I would ...........
    LONG WAY Home I LIKE A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's part of the secopnd set as far
    as I'm concerned TRUCKIN made us boogie! (remember my sister is here on
    firstt shows/run) Smokestack had me thrown.I had calld every song the 2
    days except this on the first notes....TERRRRAPIN %^) %^) %^) %^)
    and the jam that went with it %^)  D/S--> Spanish mircle or Spainish
    jam????? not surebut it went into Miracle Standing on the Moon made
    areal tough friend of mine cry...he told me the next day..OMSN of corse
    but a good one!!!!!!!the Knocken encore we left quick so we could get
    out fast and of course spent he next 3 hours ina line , moving the car
    every 10 feet every 30 minuites..but be did a BUNCH more shopping for
    t-shirts and jewewly too %^)
    
    
    My "Looks like Palm Sunday Ales" are stertin to kick in so please
    excuse the previous ...and following typos....  
    
    
    5-31-92
    
    OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!! we stayed up and walked the strip all nite before... 
    ate at Dennys at 5AM and it will take a LOOOONG time for me to ever eat 
    there withgout
    laughing for along time :" Too many colors on the menu" from acroos the
    place "Amen to that!!!" Our older waitress Lucy (guess what she became
    to us) LOVED us....she wasn't used to told THANK-YOU.....
    
    H-->S-->F was OK and called all aaround us  Mingelwood wa good Roses 
    was good Queen JAne BIRD SONG Picasso Moon
     -----------some REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL craziness here
    
    SCArLET--->FIRE was callall around us and was GRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Women are Smarter Patty LIKED  %^)   SO many Roads  I Thought was
    EXCELLENT--->  ST o Circum--->HE'S GONE %%%%%%%^^^^^^^)))))))
    ---> D/S-->  A sweet Attics %^) a spoonful THE OTHER ONE where the
    lyric "the bus came by and i got on" healy screwed with and it was
    timed warped (but was it us someone asked me later at he airport???"
    into a DEW that made me cry
    (but I'm no tough guy) The DEW was the best song of the day...
    
    BABA ORielly couldn;t leave us alone and noone wanted hinm to...the
    beatles tune "Relax yer Mind" is all I can think of was SOOOOOOOO
    COOOOOOOOLLLLL...I'mn not even sure if thats the name of the tune.
    
    We escaped quickly that nite, this nite, last nite (pick one)
    and he i am in cool colorado again 
    
    All in all the second day was the cooker...the first day was a grate
    break in though  and the 3'rd  days second set said "have a good time" 
    ............and I said "Thank-You!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Adios, Lost Vagas........next year..............
    
    
    two more swallows of "Looks Like Palm Sunday Ale" it;s 4:30AM
    AND THERE"S ANT"S CRAWLING ALL OVER THE SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
    
    
    
    
    
23.439Just one more question...STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Jun 01 1992 14:584
    Ok ,.. so like did you enjoy yourself??? :-) :-)
    
    							/
    
23.440EZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Jun 01 1992 17:471
rfb: get some sleep! :-)
23.441Vegas ramble...SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Jun 01 1992 20:1696
Vegas has got to be the only other city besidess NYC where deadheads don't
even make a dent 8-).  I guess that's why I love going back there!

Friday's show was riddled with equipment problems associated with the new
monitorless system.  The first set was a major disaster in this respect.
Jerry forgot to flip the switch on his mike and we heard him saying to
Harry "Wait a minute!  Wait a minute!!".  The he looked around some and
seemed to have lost his place.  By Walking Blues, we guessed that he must
have not been able to hear himself in his earphones because he stopped
playing altogether with a frown on his face looking around for help.  It
was strange seeing Jerry standing there with his hands idle.  I've never
seen an unhappier Jerry.  The end of Walking Blues seemed to have caught
Jerry off guard as he looked puzzled and seemingly undecided (or maybe he
forgot) as to what to play next, and it was *his* turn!  Peggy-O started
off with just Jerry and no Bobby providing the rhythm guitar, then picked
back up once Bob got *his* equipment working 8-/.  The BTW was good,
although Jerry still seemed to pause every so often to find his spot again
in the jam.  This pattern hung on throughout the set.  At another point
in the set, Bobby forgot to turn off his mike and we heard him say "Too
much Garcia", then a little while later, "Now I can't hear him at all".
Of course, if Bobby had bothered to look over, he would've seen that the
reason why he couldn't hear Jerry was because Jerry wasn't playing ;-).
During TLEO, Jerry had to start a verse over again.  I felt like I was at
a practice session 8-/.  I think the equipment problem was a big factor in
throwing Jerry out of synch, so I don't blame him.  The second set was
better.  There were no obvious equipment problems.  The Rider was pretty
hot.  Jerry and Vince exchanged licks during a jam.  Jerry was looking at
Vince the way he used to look at Bruce 8-) and he was grinning (a sure
sign that the equipment must be working right again 8-)  The sky had been
covered with a thick cloud cover (much to the delight of the smoldering
fans 8-) all day, and got a lot darker and thicker by second set, so the
LLR and Crazy Fingers and the "cool colorado rain" reference in Rider was
appropriate.  The China Doll was very sweet and full of conviction.  I
almost thought Jerry was going to break down in tears 8-).  The Weight
was greeted with much enthusiasm.  I notice that Bobby sings Bruce's old
part, so the verses were sang by Bobby, Jerry, Bobby, Vince, and Phil
respectively.  I think they should let Mickey take over Bruce's old part
;-).  The wind picked up during Saturday night and we were almost literally
blown out of the arena 8-).  A female voice heard yelling "Aunty Em" during
the frantic exit out of the arena summed up hilariously the strength of
the hurricane-force winds 8-).  I spent a couple of hours picking stuff out
of my eyes.

Saturday's show was a lot tighter.  There were no equipment problems that
we could detect.  Jack Straw was a great opener to a beautifully rendered
set.  We *knew* Jerry could hear himself just fine during the Saturday
show!!  Sugaree should be changed to the Garcia Sugar Jam 8-).  The High
Times was hot and so was the Maggies Farm -> Cumberland!!  The weather
the second day was much like the first.  The sky was covered with a thick
layer of clouds.  During the second set, the clouds got a bit darker.
The Eyes opener smoked and the set kept smoking ;-)!  During Smokestack
Lightning, the real lightning started happening.  The arena seemed to be
in the eye of the storm.  There was lightning all around the arena and
some really close!!  During drums, Mickey and Billy had some help from
Bill Graham with Bill on "thunder" ;-)  There was a long hot jam after
space and then Miracle.  And Miracle indeed!!  Suddenly the sky cleared
up just over the arena and the sun shone through.  A rainbow appeared
on the horizon which later turned into a double rainbow.  One of the
rainbows later reached into the arena!  All this time, the skies around
the arena stayed grey (like there's a hole in the sky above the arena
through which the sun shone) and the lightning kept going.  What a vision!!
I think BG is playing with our heads ;-).  I got a feeling Jerry must've been
thinking the same about Bill when he sang Standing on the Moon.  A beautiful
and heart-wrenching rendition indeed!  And Heaven's Door seemed to describe
well our miracle hole in the grey sky.  Was it a Heaven's Door??

We were not blessed with a thick cloud cover the last day of the run.  The
sun was shining in full strength and it was hot and muggy 8-P.  This of
course effected my enjoyment of the show.  We expected the Help->Slip->
Franklin (after not pulling it out all tour) so it was no surprise.  The
first set didn't do much for me, but I think it had a lot to do with my
mood.  The second set picked up.  A thin layer of clouds moved in to shield
us from the burning sun.  I was at least psyched for the Scarlet->Fire.
The So Many Roads (which we nicknamed Too Many Roads ;-) was a much better
rendition than the Shoreline version.  Jerry had a music stand in front of
him during the second set, but I didn't see him looking at it.  Mickey and
Billy did the train whistle again.  I looked this time to see who was doing
it and they both were.  Billy was doing the train whistle and Mickey was
doing the bells, so they were both driving that train (but not H.O.C ;-).
The Attics after space was totally unexpected and more beautiful than ever.
Steve Miller joined in on Spoonful till the end of the show.  I had my
doubts about Steve Miller being able to hang in the jams with the Dead, but
my doubts quickly dissolved to wonder 8-).  Not only did he hang in there,
but he led in some of the jams to Jerry's obvious delight.  If any musician
can hang in during The Other One, they've more than gained my respect!!  ;-)
And that Dew has got to be the hottest Dew I've ever seen!!  That whole
segment with Steve Miller was just incredible!  During Baba O'Riley, Bob did a
a midair split again and Steve Miller tried one too, although Steve's looked
more like a straight-leg jump that had gone astray ;-).  Then Bobby did some
Townsend pinwheels 8-).  We were waiting for Jerry to respond, but no such
luck 8-( ;-).  I got a feeling Baba->TNK may be the new Brokedown, but who's
complaining when both the band and the audience can have such a good time
every time!  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.442nice reviews. CSCMA::M_PECKARspinning that curious senseMon Jun 01 1992 20:392
Thanks, Ting!
23.443Couple of correctionsSKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Jun 02 1992 04:4514
>At another point
>in the set, Bobby forgot to turn off his mike and we heard him say "Too
>much Garcia", then a little while later, "Now I can't hear him at all".

I just listened to the tape again.  Bobby did this during Walking Blues,
and he said "And now he's gone" the second time instead.

>During TLEO, Jerry had to start a verse over again.  

This happened during Jack-A-Roe, but Jerry was out in space (not the good
kind ;-) during TLEO.

peace,
t!ng
23.444CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 02 1992 16:4628
    some other things come to mind, now that I've gotten it back....
    
    after the 3rd day, in the area the rythmdevils were hangin out in, a
    black guy did some AMAZING in place cartwheels to the delight of the
    audience, he mustve done a hundred before he quit....also, some heads
    weren't quite through with makin music after the 3rd show so they
    started playin the picknick tables, garbage cans, whatever they could
    find to beat on in the walkway...and it sounded DAMN GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    I heard all the stage chatter Fri. but we were in the PhilZone so
    couldn't see very well. 
    
    Patty saw the Townsend arm swings Sun...I had my
    eyes closed and a smile on....
    
    The guy asking for spare change to continue maryjane research was
    funny.
    
    STEVE MILLER settin in with the boyz!!!!!!!!
    
    all the venders !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and all the t-shirts I bought %^)
    
    and there's more snow on the Peak now than before I left!!!!
    The vegatarian burito with the dime in it...the dime is going on a
    chain. 
    
    rfb
23.445SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Jun 02 1992 17:328
>    The vegatarian burito with the dime in it...the dime is going on a
    
Good thing you didn't break a tooth on it.  Did the vendor tell you that
there might be a dime in the burrito when s/he sold it to you??  Or maybe
it was sold at a 10-cent discount ;-).

peace,
t!ng
23.446CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 02 1992 19:126
    actually it was Patty's burrito (and she WAS lucky!)
    and no we were not informed of the bonus prize %^)
    It was in the parking lot after Sat. show, we were starving and most of
    the food vendors had packed it up by then we were stuck in the exit
    line for 3 hours, but WHAT FUN!!!!!!
                                              rfb
23.447Never NEVER never assume!ROADKL::INGALLSWish I was a Nomad, Indian or St.Tue Jun 02 1992 21:0562
A quick trip report....

If y'all remember kerrectly, I had bought tickets to the Vegas shows fer
myself *assuming* my SO wouldn't be into it...

WRONG!!

I scrambled for tix for her too and...
We had a GRATE F*^%IN TIME!!!!  I'm so glad we went together!!!

We drove out from Co.Springs on Wed. night thru the rain and mixed snow only to
set up the tent in Grand Junction just as the stars started to break thru ;^)

Drove thru Utah with the top off on thurs and hit rain again as we started
getting close to Zion -- but by the time we arrived at the south end to camp it
cleared and we had a beautiful evening/night to romp under the stars! 

Drove the rest of the way to the show friday...

Checked out the strip Sat night 8^)  Ceasar's Palace is simply amazing, the
fountains were just awesome and the smiling dolphins had us giggling 8^) -
inside, the statues of the gods were so life-like 8^), and at one point we
turned a corner and I thought we stepped outside and then "WHOA!!" -- the
ceiling was painted with clouds in a sunset type lighting  8^)   What a GRATE
night! 

Can't really add much to t!ng's reviews 
(how DOES she remember all that detail!!!  Amazing!! :^) 

Also thought Fridays show was kinda slow/low_energy -- probably had a lot to do
with the equipment probs...  Highlights in second set: China-rider at the
beginning and  and the wind storm at the end!  We were standing at the very top
in the very back of stadium and the wind was-a-HOWLING!!!  Had a grate view of
some lightning happening in the distance too!!

Saturday's show was simply fantastic for us...  Got well prepared before the
show  8^) walked around and checked out the vendors etc.. went inside and after
visiting with rfb and Patti by the Greanpeace booth, Danielle and I wandered
down onto the floor to see if we could find t!ng.  Found our way through the
crowd (no small feat) and found ourselves standing in a one-by-one patch
looking around aimlessly fer about twenty minutes... finally, I said to myself
"might as well had back out, ifwe were meant to bump into each other, we would
have"  -- just as I turned around to say "let's go" to Danielle -- THERE SHE
IS!!! Said HIGH T!NG!!  Was invited to stay (THANKYOU - THANKYOU - THANKYOU 
T!NG 8^)  The whole show was a HIGHlight!!! 8^)  Cumberland and Cassidy were
HOT, Eyes opener really cool, I REALLY liked Long Way Home, Terrapin's always a
pleasure, thunder during drums followed by the rainbow,  and I'd never seen
Alhambra 8^) 

Sunday's show was really nice...  but reeeeeeaallly hot out in addition to
being VERY spent from day/night from before... highlights: Help->Slip->
Franklin (one of my favorite jams anytime), Birdsong, Scarlet-Fire,  Drums
was awesome, Attics (another first seen fer me), The Other One jammed with
Steve, and Bob and Steve playing Pete T. during Baba was really funny 8^)

Til' next time - 

Enjoy-'

Glenn

23.448SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Jun 02 1992 21:1611
It was nice seeing you again, Glenn, and meeting your beautiful
friend, Danielle.  Sorry I missed you and Patti, rfb, but I *did*
walk by the Greenpeace booth a couple of times and didn't see anyone.
In fact, I had just gotten back from the Greenpeace booth when I ran
into Glenn and Danielle.  BTW, has anyone seen hide or hair of Phyllis
since Vegas??  I think she was wearing her invisible cloak.  No one
saw her over the weekend.  Maybe she'll come out if we start off a
string of really bad puns ;-).  Just kidding!  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.449LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureWed Jun 03 1992 14:196
> BTW, has anyone seen hide or hair of Phyllis since Vegas??  
		               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

well, if you don't see "hair of Phyllis" then she *must* be cloaked.
I bet the Romulins (sp!) are behind this!!  :-)

23.450JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryWed Jun 03 1992 17:453
    so i guess that means shes HIDE-ing  :^)
    
    					da ve
23.451....STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Thu Jun 04 1992 13:5312
    Hey Da ve!!!
    
    	PABA: Puns Are Bogus Anyway
    
    		:-0
    
    		:-)
    
    		:-?
    
    							/
    
23.452VegasTERAPN::PHYLLISfly through the nightThu Jun 04 1992 14:4944
    
    Puns won't be necessary!!!!!!!! :-/
    
    I'm here!  Just a little slow catching up on notes.  I did go to the
    Greenpeace booth too.  Saturday, btwn Steve Miller and the Dead.  (Was
    that the wrong time?)  Anyway - we had a blast as well..  and I thought
    NYC was a crazy town!  I didn't quite make $750 but I did come home
    with money and spent much less than I anticipated so I feel like I won!
    :-)
    
    Did any of you find the grassy areas outside the stadium where you
    could hang out during the show?  These were way cool..  Two of them,
    one in each back curve corner.  They were little areas with grass and
    trees.. perfect places to lie down in the shade during break (or
    Picasso Moon ;-)).  
    
    After the shows were over, on Monday, we took a drive up to Red Rock
    Canyon.  Really beautiful place and nice to relax with nature after a
    week on the strip.  What a difference!  It felt like a different
    planet.  There seemed to be lots of hiking trails and rock climbing and
    stuff but we were pretty burnt by then so we took the scenic overlook
    route. ;-)  Real nice way to end the vaca.  On the way driving back
    into town a group of 6 or 7 burros strayed out into the road.  They
    were really beautiful, gentle animals.  Lots of cars stopped and they
    just hung around the people and let themselves be petted and
    photographed and stuff.  One came right up to our car as we stopped and
    stuck his head right in the window at me!  I tried to get off a picture
    really quick.. I hope it came out!
    
    As far as the casinos go.. Caesar's is definately the classiest and
    nicest place to hang out, but the table limits are a little high.  Not
    too easy to find a $2 bj table, and the roulette tables are $5 minimum
    (as opposed to $2 most other places).  The Mirage is cool.. looks like
    a rainforest inside, but very crowded.  They have the best outside
    though.. complete with a volcano - fire on the mountain!  The Excalibur
    was a real trip.. heads everywhere!  "paging.. Lady Queen Jane and August
    West.. please meet your party at the reservations desk" :-)
    
    As you've heard from everyone else.. the shows were great!  Lots of
    highlights.. the whole after drums part on Sunday just blew me away.
    
    I'll definately do it again next year!!
    
    
23.453CSLALL::HENDERSONIts a big old goofy worldThu Jun 04 1992 15:1212


 I heard somewhere that because of a ticket screwup, they were giving away 
tix to the first night at Vegas...anybody else hear/see that?






Jum
23.454TERAPN::PHYLLISfly through the nightThu Jun 04 1992 16:105
    
    I don't know about a ticket screwup, but there were certainly many
    tickets to spare on Friday.  Lots of folks ate extras.
    
    
23.455CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jun 04 1992 16:205
    Patty and I hit the grass every day during space....prob saw you there
    Phyllis and didn't even know it!
    
    Our group ate some Friday tixs...saw 'em for 10$ down to free.
                                                                  rfb
23.456Flashy JerrySKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Thu Jun 04 1992 16:508
I forgot to mention that Jerry was wearing flashy baggy pants all 3 days.
The first day he wore a pair of blue (various shades in the pattern)
baggies and the 2nd and 3rd day he wore a pair of bright red and blue
baggies (or is it baggie because it's on him?? ;-).  I had to put on
shades just to look at those red and blue pants ;-).

peace,
t!ng
23.457CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jun 04 1992 17:112
    Jerry  had on new shoes too i think...orange
          rfb
23.458SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Thu Jun 04 1992 17:157
>    Jerry  had on new shoes too i think...orange

Someone mentioned this to me, but I couldn't see his feet from where I
was.  What do they look like??  Are they high-tops ;-)?? 

peace,
t!ng
23.459CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jun 04 1992 17:312
    yep, reebok type style, w/ laces  (it looked like) , orange.
                                                                rfb
23.460SCOONR::GLADUThu Jun 04 1992 17:421
    Obviuosly they were Air Garcias. :-)
23.461GIAMEM::CONNORSThu Jun 04 1992 18:412
    :-)  :-)
    
23.462TERAPN::PHYLLISfly through the nightThu Jun 04 1992 19:104
    
    Hah! :-)
    
    
23.463more vegas ramblingsBUSY::IRZAThe compass always points to TerrapinFri Jun 05 1992 17:0115
      Did anyone notice the stunt plane on Saturday behind the stage (in
    front of the mountain). Probally not if you were on the floor. I was
    in back of the floor about halfway up and had a grate view of it. It
    was going straight up and then killing its engine, and also doing some
    killer high speed nose dives, it was grate to watch especially during
    space. 
      The lightning shows were cool (i didn't do friday's show but heard
    there was one then too). I was hopin' for a lazy lightning! And then
    the double rainbow after! The Bush stickers with the swastika for the
    S were interesting. Saw a lot of Garcis in '92 shirts. I got a lot of
    compliments on my grateful bruins shirt. Sorry I missed you guys on 
    saturday, we got to the arena a little later than we anticipated.
    
                                          Can't wait till next year...Dave
    
23.464CXDOCS::BARNESFri Jun 05 1992 20:234
    yep on the stunt plane ...as well as the ultra-lite that buzzed Sundaze
    show...although it appeared closer in real life than the photo shows,
    for some reason...
                      rfb
23.465a quick review of BuffaloKOBAL::MROGERSMurphy Brown in '92Mon Jun 08 1992 13:3648
6/6/92--Buffalo, NY Rich Stadium 

It was a *long* drive from New Hampshire to Buffalo but well worth the 
trip. It rained the entire trip until we got west of Rochester and 
then turned into a beautiful day! Rich Stadium is huge. It must seat 
80K for a football game. We heard there were over 65K there for the 
show. The first thing that hit us as we walked into the stadium 
parking lot were the number of vendors. I've never seen so many 
vendors at one venue. 

We went into the stadium early and security was essentially hassle 
free and almost nonexistent once we got down to the field.

The setlist looks pretty standard but everything was extremely well 
done. The "Greatest Story" in the first set was one of the stronger 
versions I've heard in a while. Vince had some real nice fills on this 
and has definitely come into his own. He did not sound like the same 
keyboard player I saw on the fall tour.

The highpoint of the first set had to be the "All Over Now." They've 
redone the intro so that it matches the opening riffs that the Stones 
used to play. At first we didn't even recognize what they were going 
into! This version rocked! Vince again almost stole this one from Bob 
with his solos. There were a couple of spots where he sounded a lot 
like Keith when he was in his prime. Bob Bralove seems to have found 
the solution to the missing B3 sound, too, as the second solo from 
Vince almost had me convinced he was playing a Hammond.

After FOTD, Bob started the take a step back routine until he was interrupted 
by Jerry telling him that he had it all wrong. Jerry said everyone had 
to move sideways and that no one could move until the people in the 
back took a step back!

The second set started fast. They came onstage and launched right into 
Aiko without going through the usual tuning routine, which has to be a 
first! Near the end of "Estimated" Bob muttered something about "give 
it some gas, Healy" and went into a hot version of "Same Thing." Bob 
was obviously having trouble with the new monitor system as you could 
clearly hear him talking to Healy during several of the songs.

The "Baba O'Reilly>Tomorrow Never Knows" encore was not expected! 
While we waiting to get in we heard them soundcheck "Casey Jones" a 
couple of times, and throughout the show after the video monitors came 
on there were several train images going across the screens during 
"He's Gone" and "The Wheel." Vince does sound like Roger Daltrey on 
this one! Near the end of "Tomorrow Never Knows" he also teased us 
with a couple of "same as it ever was, same as it ever was" from the 
Talking Heads song!
23.466some Buffulo highlights/lowlightsEBBCLU::SMITHSHTFCDMon Jun 08 1992 14:1237

	- Car fire/explosion across from rest area near Syracuse

	  A car headed East stopped across from a rest area and
	  two people escaped from the car as it burst into flames!!!

	- Incredible amounts of trash in Rich Stadium area, trash
          everywhere more than I have ever seen at a show :-(

	  The trash cans had steel tops over them (real useful)

	- No Bruce!!! (If I saw that much trash at my show, I wouldn't
	  show up either!!!) 

	  I guess Bruce has officially left the band, but this has made
	  no negative impact on the music.  Seems as though the whole
	  band is counting their beats alot better than when Bruce was
	  there.

	- Quiet first set (sound) could hear Bobby saying things after
	  and before each song

	- Great 2nd set, Vince is excellent!!!! (looks like Bozo the clown)


	- Niagara falls, loads of Heads there on Sunday

	Grate time as usual,

	I read in the net that there were two show related deaths, that
	really bummed me out this morning.  That news, combined with the
	amount of trash I saw, really makes me wonder if I would want a 
	Deadshow in my home town.  Maybe the people of Veneta have a good 
	point. :-/

	nothing to dwell on though :-)   
23.467SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Jun 08 1992 14:134
Thanks, Mike!  Was the vending scene more extensive than shoreline's??

peace,
t!ng
23.468bufalo, beefalo, beefaritaville...JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryMon Jun 08 1992 17:3566
    it was my first buffalo show and i find good and bad to say about it...
    
    more good than bad though...
    
    first little bummer of the day was when the security people in the
    parking lot told us we were not allowed to sit on the ground... 
    "excuse me, but could you say that again???   we aren't allowed to sit
    on the ground????"
    
    "that's right...  you can sit on your cooler but you can't sit on a
    blanket on the ground..."
    
    that didn't last long...  rebels that we are...  :^)
    
    i did't think the trash situation was as bad as i had seen elsewhere...
    there were precious few receptacles for it aound too...
    
    lots of vending...  i got some cool stuff!  pretty mellow overall...
    
    most mellow securitty people on the planet... even though they told us
    we couldn't sit on the ground...  :^)  inside the arena was pretty much
    GA...  it was my first show on the floor...  during Steve Miller (who i 
    really enjoyed btw) i managed to get up in front of the board... 
    progress stopped when i hit a vast array of in-front-of-the-board-tapers-
    from-hell...  i can understand needing to protect your equipment and i
    can undderstand wanting the best tapes you can get, but these people
    were almost a safety hazzard in that they inhibited any and all motion
    in and around that whole area...  there were people who wanted to sit
    on the floor and couldn't just because there were too many heads
    crammed into too small of a space...  it's hard to leave to make space
    when you have half a dozen large people saying "don't even think of
    passing through here-it's NOT a good way"...  i would be willing to bet
    that there were almost as many tapers in front as most indoor shows
    have at all...   i tried on several occasions to get out of there and
    back to my stuff (i wanted water and room to sit) but couldn't move...
    the "take a step back" routine was a joke...  taking a step anywhere
    meant walking on someone...
    
    for the show itself, i thought Vince and Phil were on it all night...
    Vince was beautiful and Healy should be slapped for not putting him
    higher in the mix vocally...  his keys are there but his grate voice
    could come formward a lot more...  the first couple of lines to Baba
    O'Reilly were almost non-existent, and even after he turned him up
    some it was too low for my tastes...  Phil was a happy camper pretty
    much all night though...  lots of big smiles and happy little
    movements...  :^)  i don't know if i've ever enjoyed Phil more...
    
    Bobby has to either learn this new sound system better or shut up...
    i found his little comments to Healy to be somewhat annoying...  Bob
    and Jer put in good performances...  Drums were way cool...  Mickey
    seemed to be getting a chuckle out of BIlly through a lot of it...
    the train whistle stuff and those huge air-horns were pretty neat!
    i was hoping for some of the new songs but no such luck...
    
    as usual, not enough bathroom space too...  the few outside
    portopotties were overflowing...  the mens room that i went to inside
    got pretty well trashed as well...
    
    we camped at Darien Lake State Park, about 20 miles from the stadium...
    pretty nice little park for our purposes...  surprisingly quiet from
    all the rangers and folks on constant patrol...  first time i was ever 
    given a police escort to my camp site!  not a good place if you want to
    get rowdy and make noise all night, but if you want a quiet place with 
    decent facilities it'll do nicely...
    
    						da ve
23.469I say Thank-you for a real good timeCSLALL::BENJAMINMon Jun 08 1992 22:4122
    Re -.1
    
        We stayed in a campground that was exactly the opposite of the one 
    da ve stayed in...It was called Colden Golden Pond and was basically a
    big field on the shores of a tiny pond but it was hoppin' from the
    second we got there to the second we left.  Friday night, the party 
    went all night, making it very hard to get any sleep whatsoeva.  They
    had a little restaraunt there with an all-u-can-eat brunch for $3.50
    which was great.  They had geese families to feed, a nice little
    general store,  warm showers(if you were lucky enough to get there
    before the line formed) and they even handed out directions to the
    show.  This was my first trip to Buffalo and even with the serious lack
    of sleep and the occasional rain and the 1000 miles I drove round-trip,
    I had a great time and if the Dead go back to Rich Stadium again, I'll
    be there....  :-)
    
    P.S.  My favorite part of the show was the Estimated> Same thing
    part... Estimated is a great "stadium" song!!!!
    P.S. part II  Can't wait for those Giants Stadium shows...
    
                :-) DaveB.
    
23.470??Buffalo Tape Tree??CGVAX2::MCKENNATue Jun 09 1992 19:5410
    Hi there,
    
         Did anyone happen to have taper tickets for the Buffalo show? 
    Is there going to be a tape tree for this show? If anyone could offer
    any information it would be much appreciated.  I would really like to
    get a copy of the show, it waw my first trip to Buffalo and I had a
    really good time.
    
    						Shawn
    
23.471coming soon...JUNCO::DWESTDont Overlook Something ExtraordinaryTue Jun 09 1992 20:533
    keep an eye out in the file...  a buffalo tape tree is in the works...
    
    					da ve
23.472Premature TapeulationCGVAX2::MCKENNAWed Jun 10 1992 10:284
    :*] Thanks da ve
    
    
    Shawn
23.473CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 10 1992 15:453
    I take it there WAS a SPACE  after DRUMZ and before WATCHTOWER on
    6/9/92 Richfield Colosium????
                                 rfb
23.474I love NY!OCTOBR::GRABAZSwhere I, dreaming, lay amazedSat Jun 13 1992 21:57126
the weather the last few days has been just phenomenal - real
typical June weather - hot days, blues skies, big puffy clouds.
The ride to Albany and back driving through the mountains of
Vermont and the farm country of New York was most enjoyable.

We got lost in Albany, lost getting to the campground, lost
getting back to Albany - got into the show about 20 minutes 
after it began - missed Bertha :-( and Minglewood...came in
on Row Jimmy.  I hate when that happens cause I'm all pumped
up about getting in late and then it takes me a long time
to get into the groove.  It took me almost the whole first
set to wind down.  Around the time they played Loose Lucy,
well, I was starting to e n j o y ........

The second set was so warped and so calming that by the
end of the show, I was feeling totally relaxed.  I think
the highlights of the show (for me) were space and the jam
after Playin' - we were located way up in the second tier -
the light show seen from above was just totally amazing.
I don't know if you could sense the effect if you were
on the floor, but from above it was really a show by itself.
Lights spirally around, shining down on the crowd, shining
up towards the ceiling, zooming around the whole arena, 
random flashes of light zipping throught the crowd.  Hard
to explain, amazing to see.  Both of these extended musical
spaces were some very good stuff.  Felt good to me!

I wasn't that thrilled with the location of our seats
because I really felt like I was observing the scene more
than being a part of it - I like to be right in the thick 
of things.  It was a good perspective for the light show but
the way the speakers were set up, it didn't seem like the 
music was being played to us.

Thursday's show got me in the mood - I came in frazzled and
left feeling quite alright - but it still didn't fulfill what
I came to Albany for...

It ended up that our campground was pretty much filled with
deadheads.  Fun to see all the colors and to share knowing
smiles with folks you pass wherever you walk.  Late in the
afternoon, a woman that works there came by to see if we
were selling t-shirts - she said they loved having us there.
Actually, it seemed like all of Albany loved having us there.
I got very good feelings from that place.  Security was pretty
cool.  Lots of welcome signs on business establishments.
Good scene.

We got a surprise visit from slash and tree during the afternoon.
They were camping in the same place.  We spent the rest of the
day hangin' out in the sun, partying, playing music, eating,
LAUGHING!  We all drove into Albany together and scoffed some
seats in the first tier directly out from the stage.  Much better
sound there.  I was looking forward to a high energy show and
we got it - right from the first note of Jack Straw.  It was ripping.  
The whole first set seemed to just move right along - unlike the
night before which was very choppy.  The vocals were right on.

During the set break we got kicked out of our seats.  I wanted to
stay there cause I was hoping to get some good drumz effects with
the speakers pointed in our direction (squatters' rights!) ... we moved
to the back row.  The break was long and towards the end the crowd
started getting pretty restless.  They started the wave around the 
arena - on all the tiers - it was so funny ... and then it got
faster and faster and louder and louder ... you could feel the happy
energy!  The lights went down and the band came out and noodled for
what seemed like 5 minutes.

Scarlet Begonias was great!  The space it entered went out and threatened
to not return!  I think the whole arena was drenched after this one!
Fire On The Mountain had a mambo-like beat which I thought was great.  
I was pretty excited to hear Vince's new song - I was hoping to hear it 
and kind of figured we might because there were alot of blues strains 
throughout the show.  His voice is great.  I really like this song.  

During Truckin' we got kicked out of our seats again :-( by a very
angry security guy.  Why they decided to clear the aisles in the middle
of my dance I'll never figure out ;-)... oh well... but I didn't want
to go to my seat which was on the side of the stage - I wanted so much
to be in front of the speakers for drums.  As soon as I got out in the
hallway I ran up the next set of stairs to the 2nd tier but still in
front of the stage...  just in time for Smokestack Lightning!  
And DRUMS!!!!!  When I saw Mickey and Billy being left on stage I
slid down to the railing and leaned out into the arena.  They were
WAILING on the drums and then when they stepped away to "the toys"
I finally got the treat I was looking for.  Again, the lights were
great.  They turned the sound up it seemed - when the beam's vibrations
were spinning around from speaker to speaker, a spotlight went with
it.  You could tell when it was coming around to you - and I could
open up my arms and let it go right in my body.  The whole drums
section was so healing - that's the only way I can describe it.  You
could feel how good it was and when I looked around at the people around
me I could see they were feeling it too -- ahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Space was very very ... weird.  Just a lot of notes.  Playing with
the toys.

Into The Last Time...the whole place was swinging.  Into China Doll...
the whole place was listening... the vocals just a preview of what was
to come...

When they started Sugar Magnolia I knew it was the last song.  But the
energy!  The lights were pretty bright and you could see the whole
audience.  The whole audience was moving!  Fast!

After they left the stage the crowd started a Not Fade Away clap.
If that means that "our love will not fade away" to the band, that's cool.
If that means we want to hear NFA, no, that's not what I wanted.  I wanted
to hear Baba O'Reilly.  But what we got was better!  Attics was
SO SWEET!  Their vocals were right on.  I had chills and I walked
(or should I say, floated) out of there with a completely contented feeling.

Ran into slash immediately - kinda cosmic!  We weaved through vendor village.
Saw Jum, got stickered by dc, hugged by Phyllis, hugged by Phyllis again,
and THEN, a scene which I am not too sure I didn't just envision, but the
AMAZING slash! the human slinky!  We're walking to the car past this
grassy park on a hillside.  There's little groupings of deadheads sitting
in the dark.  slash empties his pockets.  And THEN he starts doing 
handsprings down the hill - one after another after another.  Oh!  It
was SO funny!  The crowd was clapping.  He put all his stuff back in
his pocket but we begged him to DO IT AGAIN!  He did.

Good time in Albany!

Debess
 
23.475good time!DEMING::CLARKBold As LoveMon Jun 15 1992 13:1013
    Yah! Sometimes I wonder when I'm heading out to a show whether
    I'm too old for this anymore. But they ALWAYS prove me wrong!
    I really wanted to sit down at points in the second set of friday
    night's show but THEY WOULDN'T LET ME! What an awesome Sugar Mag
    that was. I was digging Bobby winding up to hit those big power
    chords that kept kicking it up to a higher level. Great Scarlet/
    Fire!
    
    Hung out in Da ve and Gerry's rather, uh, odiferous room after the
    show. 
    
    Hey / mon, that was ME honking at you on the Pike on the way home
    saturday! 
23.476TAMARA::GRABAZSwhere I, dreaming, lay amazedMon Jun 15 1992 14:265
>    Hung out in Da ve and Gerry's rather, uh, odiferous room after the
>    show. 
    
	oh, did those guys have bean burritos before the show too? ;-)

23.477DEMING::CLARKBold As LoveMon Jun 15 1992 14:554
    re .-1
    
    no, it was more to do with wearing the same socks too many days
    in a row :-)
23.478one vignette from Albany...VSSCAD::LARUrun, or fight, or dance!Mon Jun 15 1992 17:4515
    One of the things I like about being up close is being able to
    really see some of the interactions between the boyz...
    
    During Maggie's Farm on Friday (Albany, 6/12/92), it went 
    something like this...  Bobby sang a verse, then Jerry...
    during the jam that ensued, Jerry kept looking over at Vince,
    who pointed toward the other end of the stage...  Bobby sang
    another verse, then Vince...  meanwhile, Mickey is banging
    away, and looking over at Phil with an ever-growing smile 
    on his (Mickey's) face...   finally, Phil starts to sing,
    the crowd cheers, and Mickey breaks into one of the biggest
    grins I've seen on his face...
    
    
    /bruce
23.479*blush*OCTOBR::GRABAZSwhere I, dreaming, lay amazedMon Jun 15 1992 17:5310
>                        -< one vignette from Albany... >-

	more! more!


	so, bruce, did you bring your camera afterall...
	did you get some good shots...
	didja get some nice ones of, uh, Bobby's, uh, *shorts*!

	Debess_who_would_be_interested_in_seeing_THOSE_up_close ;-O
23.480Bobby has a great set of legs!VSSCAD::LARUrun, or fight, or dance!Mon Jun 15 1992 18:0210
    :-) Debess,
    
    Well, the shots looked pretty good through the viewfinder;
    we'll have to see how they develop...  I haven't done
    any serious picture taking lately, and I really wanted
    to boogie during that hot, hot, show!!    Bobby does have
    some great legs, though...  they look real strong.  We'll see
    whether I caught that in the pix...
    
    /bruce
23.481more bobby...VSSCAD::LARUrun, or fight, or dance!Mon Jun 15 1992 18:1313
    speaking of Bobby,
    
    He kept screwing up the lyrics in _Truckin'_, and then shaking
    his head each time, 'cause he was really angry with hisself...
    but I thought he really redeemed himself with a *smokin'*
    _Smokestack Lightning_!!
    
    I also thought that he didn't look very happy during the
    first songs of the first set.  Seemed to me as if he was scowling 
    a lot during the early going...    
    
    /bruce
    
23.482albany is too cool!! :^)JUNCO::DWESTif wishes were horses...Mon Jun 15 1992 18:1374
    hey, let's be fair...  that smell comes with the room...  in fact, we
    paid extra for it...  it's the "econo-roma"!!!  :^)
    
    Albany is definitely my favorite place to see a show...  friday night
    solidified it!!!!!  thursday nights show was ok...  not great but still
    quite good...  Ger and i went in early hoping to upgrade our seats...
    both nights our seats were up in the rafters behind the stage...  we
    never sat there...  :^)  thursday night we just walked in and sat a
    section away from MJ and co...  (our "econo-roommates")...  we got to
    stay there for the whole show too!  lots of empty seats in that section
    for some reason (Jerry's side, close to the stage)...  
    
    so, for thursday, the first half of the first set was sort of
    "standard"...  nothing exceptional...  i enjoyed the Dire Wolf (usually
    do)...  BIODTL was a good one...  then got my first Loose Lucy and dug
    it a lot! :^)  closed with Music Never Stopped which i always enjoy...
    we stayed in our seats during set break since the halls were ridiculous
    and we didn't want to lose the seats...  set 2 opened with a pretty
    Foolish Heart...  not a great one, but nice...  Playin' and the
    subsequent Jam were real nice and the UJB was pretty fine too...  then
    d/s, a good Miracle and Wharf Rat, and a round and round that got a
    little screwed up...   the Quinn encore i found unremarkable... 
    highlights for me were Lucy, and Playin'->Jam->UJB...
    
    then back to hill st again and home to the econo-lodge to meet the rest
    of the econo-crew and crash out in front of the econo-vision...  
    fortunately we saw MJ and Christine in hill st before the show and got
    our econo-key cuz the econo-cop didn't want to let us in without it...
    
    the next day, after an econo-shower we were greeted with requests to
    "come outside and play!" so we did!  :^)  we checked out the lot scene,
    went up to the observation deck in the tower (cool, bootiful voos)
    and then went and ate...  hung out for a while at the hemp rally...
    the tunes there weren't very tuneful though so we didn't hang out
    long...  back to the room for some econo-partying before heading to
    hill st and the lots again...  seems like i met everyone at hill st
    EXCEPT for the people i was supposed to see there...  Don? /??  Tree??
    did you folks ever make it there??  before or after the shows???
    
    Ger went in earlier than i on friday and it turned out to be a bummer
    for me, cuz even though i improved my seats again (Phils side at the 
    back corner just off the floor) i didn't doas well as Ger and Billetier
    and crew...  oh well...  didn't matter...  amazing show!!!!!  it just
    don't get any better than that!!!!!  they were on from the minute i got
    in (which was late unfortunately due to a mob scene outside)... the
    second half of Jack Straw was fun as was the nice Sugaree that
    followed...  very nice Mexicali->Maggies!!!  Brown Eyed Women was a
    good one followed by one of only two slow songs all night...  Black
    Throated Wind was pretty but New Speedway Boogie and Promised Land
    CRANKED!!!  i thought i was going to get bounced from my new seats but
    the usher just wanted to make sure we weren't smoking...  :^)  after
    all, the boys were about to smoke enough for all of us!!!!  yikes!!!!
    Scarlet->Fire was hot and L,L,L,L Way to Go Home was fantastic!!!!
    Truckin and Smokstack were way cool too...  nice d/s and then a Last
    Time...  i wasn't looking for the last time but i liked it a lot...
    China Doll was really sweet and Sugar MAg->SSDD was a fantastic closer
    that caused one of my neighbors to scream himself hoarse (i personally
    wish he had done that BEFORE China Doll but you can't have everything i
    guess)...  as Debess said, Attics was totally sweet and a wonderful way
    to cool us out for the trip back outside...
    
    back to hill st for more revelry and yet another in the growing string
    of silly-rules-for-dead-shows...  in Buffalo we were told we couldn't
    sit on the ground...  in Albany we were told that we couldn't play with
    balloons in the bar...  it's a safety hazard you know...  of course,
    they encourage drunken fools to throw pointy objects (darts) around the
    room, but balloons are dangerous...  :^) :^) :^)  oh well, it gave us
    an excuse to go back to the econo-room and share our econo-experience
    with our friends... :^)  econo-vision was very entertaining that night
    ("he's a hero-that's his job!" :^)...  after an hour or two of actual
    sleep, we had an uneventful trip home to the Northampton Brewery...
    well, it FELT like home there anyway...  :^)
    
    					da ve_the_econo-traveler :^)
23.483not-so-mighty Quinn...VSSCAD::LARUrun, or fight, or dance!Mon Jun 15 1992 18:2311
    Little bits keep dribbling back into my brain...
    
    Thursday,  _Quinn_ seemed to me to be a perfect encore...
    it just *felt* completely right to me as a song choice...
    But to me, it sounded off, like there was something missing
    from the middle of the sound spectrum...  either Jerry lost
    his voice a little, or someone forgot a musical line, or something
    got lost in the mix;  but the sound felt very incomplete to me
    during _Quinn_.
    
    /bruce
23.484SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Mon Jun 15 1992 19:216
I have to agree that Bobby has very nice and muscular legs.  It must
be from all that mountain-biking he does (non-mountain-bik<ers take
note!! 8-)  But Bobby redeeming???  Nawwww!!  ;-)

peace,
t!ng
23.485They're the only ones who do what they doSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Mon Jun 15 1992 19:31100
    
    
    	My Albany trip report
    
    		Thursday was just an OK show. Yes,. I am a critic,.. and
    I'm sorry but Jerry's guitar playing was a bit off and he mis-cued
    badly on several leads/jams... the most notable being Round 'N' Round
    (such an easy song too!!!). Highlight was the Playin' jam and the
    jam at the very end of the first set for MNS. It seemed that right
    after they say "the music never stoppped" where they go into that
    looser spacier kind of groove,.. than they're supposed to all "snap"
    back into the basic gorrove and jam out,.. well,. at the "snapping
    point",. it seemed like Bob was the only one who snapped. Jerry was not
    ready to leave the spacy groove yet,.. and Bob caught Jerry by surprise
    and for a couple beats there the sound got,. um,. plreety ugly :-/,..
    but then in tru Jerry fashion,.. our man Garcia took the "screw up"
    and went with it,.. when he joined Bobby for that jam,.. WOW! I love it
    when Jerry gets a little kick in the butt and alll of a sudden he
    starts-a-jammin' !!!! :-)
    
    	Still though,m.. Fridays show was better played,. altghough not the
    hottest,. .I only saw one or two minor miscues early in the first
    set,... and after that everything was nicely played. But the singing
    Friday night!!!! China Doll and Attics both brought a tear to my
    eye,... Attics alomst got me balling it was so beautifully rendered
    with sweeet sweet emotion and harmony,.. aaaaaahhhhhhh :-) On the
    Hot/interesting side,.. Bobbys laid back approach to the Smokestack
    vocal really gives the band a great groove,.. sounded awesome,.. and 
    I thought only Pig could sing Smokestack,.. Vince really shined on the
    Long long way,.. great job Vince! Phil did a lot of backup singing
    which was great to hear as well... the band always seems to get psyched
    when Phil sings,..
    
    	After show Thursday we smoked a few beers with dc and Jum and
    passed my acoustic around,.. good times at Jeremy's that night,.. ended
    up outside drinking and strumming with some friendly strangers and in
    between a flurry of broken D strings we had some fun wondering if I
    had locked the keys to Treemons car in his trunk :-},. but,. hooray!
    I spaced out and they were right inthe guitar case !!! (whew he said
    wiping the econo-sweat (tm) from his brow.
    
    	da ve,. we were late both nightgs getting into Hill St/Albany.
    Both nights after the show I ran into Phyllis to find out that she had
    just seen you "two minutes ago" pointing in the direction that we had
    bascially just come from???? I think we were on mutual cloak this
    weekend?!?! I do still want to touch base with you on certain things,..
    you coming Saturday?
    
    	We (Tree and I) owe a great debt of thanks to Debess and Guntis for
    "adopting" us for the day Friday. What a relaxing gorrvon good time we
    had just doing nothing,.. and,. oh yeah,.. LAUGHING!!!! Highlights for
    me were hearing Guntis say "May the tent be warm tonight" as he
    reached for another pre-show bean burrito :-),... then there was
    Debess trying to drink seltzer from the bottle :-)... then there was
    the gazillion "stories" Guntis kept telling,.. it seemed like the
    stories just kept coming,.. sort of blending into one :-),..After the
    show Friday I think I cracked up everyone I talked to,.. there was the
    one guy handing out religous stuff,.. so I took some of it,.. then came
    to another guy also dolling out religous stuff,.. so I say to this
    second guy "No thanks I got it right here already",. and he stares into
    my hands for what seemed like an eternity,.. even thoughg it was only
    a few seconds,. I felt something coming out of him sort of trying to
    mezmorize me and make me hold my position,.. but I was too high on my
    own energy and broke his spell and as I walked away,.. he was still
    stuck there p[eering into the space where I had once been,..???
    Eventually somebody came by to revive him ( I hope!)...Everybody loved
    the hand springs,.. but I got the biggest kick out of the three guys
    (one driving and two directing) trying to parallel park on this hill.
    I became the third director immediately and proclaimed that the car
    was now close enough to the curb and could not get any closer without
    becoming part of it,. which the three of them suddenly agreed was the
    case and gave me a hearty thanks and were then able to proceed with
    their lives. The two doods in the Volkswagon (Philverneugen) took the
    cake though. One was semi-comatose in the driver seat,.. I think he
    muttered something like "Are we there yet?" (they were parked) (smack
    dab in the middle of vendor village where there is really no hope of
    moving in a car after the show) while I was talking to the other,.. very 
    cosmic dood who had erected a sail and a mast on the VW bug form hell and
    was wearing what looked like a skippers hat but it had a cops badge on it,
    .. I instructed him to arrest his friend for imagining to be driving while
    obviously under the influence of ...??? :-),.. to whcih he assured me that
    the situation was well under control,.. YAH RIGHT! :-) :-) The Treescam 
    for our camp sight was great,.. but I really should let Treemon tell it,..
    he was great,... a complete multi faceted scam and I didn't even have to
    think it up! :-)
    
    	Anyway,.. I had fun,...I'm back,.. and I can now wait for the
    fall run without Jonesin too bad this summer. Thanks to Treemon
    for getting this whole venture started for me..!!! And a big Thanks
    to Debess and Guntis for getting me rolling on the ground at the
    camp Friday,.. and I thought I was too sick to make this trip.!.!?!?!?
    
    
    	BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
    
    									/
    
    PS They're not the best at what they do.....
    
    
23.486CSLALL::HENDERSONIts a big old goofy worldMon Jun 15 1992 19:3449
 Well, I had a grate time...We got to Albany about 3 Thurs, hung out with 
 John Shep and Carol, et al preshow, then headed off to the scene.  Once we
 found our way around town and parked it was great.  Headed to Hill St for a 
 quick cold one and saw Phyllis and met Jay Jollimore and friend.  Then out into
 the sun for the parking lot and a couple more cold ones and a bite to eat and
 into the show.  Thurs night we were on Phil's side in the second level towards
 the back (same section as Debess and Guntis)..I thought the sound kept coming
 going, but I wasn't about to complain.  Bertha was a welcome opener, Minglewood
 while not my favorite tune, was nice..loved the rest of the set, particularly
 Dire Wolf and Loose Lucy..during the break I decided to head out and try to
 find my brother's roommate and got hung up in the centrifuge (thanks Tree) and
 after an orbit of the arena, returned to my seat and a welcome visit from 
 Debess :-).  I enjoyed Foolish Heart, Playin was real nice, and Uncle Johns'
 band made my night.  After the show it was off to Hill street to make an 
 attempt to hook up to my brother's roommate (which didn't work out) but we
 bumped into / and Tree..so off we went foraging the parking lot for food and
 beer and a lot of fun conversation and back to Jeremy's for more fun and music.
 Thanks / for bringing the guitar...there was lots o' partying going on at 
 the motel..think we finally called it a night about 3AM..Oh yeah..loved the
 Around and Around...my throat hurt from yellin' with Bobby :-)


 Next day, off to the show a little earlier..hung out in the lot, on the lawn
 for food and fun and stickers..in to the show and sat directly (almost) 
 opposite from where we were the night before.  I was expecting Jack Straw and
 was pleased...Sugaree (which I predicted) was sweet..the whole first set was
 wonderful..second set was great..Scarlet->Fire seemed to go on forever and I
 loved it..I might add that at this point or shortly before I was witness to
 a phenomenon that few humans have the opportunity to witness...2 Dave Clarks
 in the same section seated right next to each other!..Oh, yeah, and a far too
 brief, though pleasant visit from a famous short person 'tween sets was 
 welcomed..back to the music..I loved Vince's tune (in fact allow me to say
 that I was verrrrry impressed with Vince's playing throughout the 2 shows)..
 Drums/Space was a killer for me..it all came together there..the lights were
 incredible...the rest of the set was nice, the Sugar Mag made the 2 shows 
 for me, but alas, my throat hurt again from yelling with Bobby :-)  Was hoping
 for Baba O'reilly as the encore, but Attics was perfect.

 Oh, yeah...the wave 'tween sets had me laughing so hard I thought I was gonna
 pass out :-).


 A fun time, which had me wishing I hadn't turned down the Giant's tickets I
 could have had :-(



 Jum
23.487thanks for the trip down memory lane /OCTOBR::GRABAZSwhere I, dreaming, lay amazedTue Jun 16 1992 19:0218
RE:     <<< Note 23.485 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
                 -< They're the only ones who do what they do >-

    
    
>    	We (Tree and I) owe a great debt of thanks to Debess and Guntis for
>    "adopting" us for the day Friday. 

	well, you know, once a mom, always a mom ;-)

>    then there was
>    Debess trying to drink seltzer from the bottle :-)... 

	I may not be too good with water, but you didn't see me spill
	one drop of champagne, didya!


	Debess
23.488LJOHUB::RILEYWithout a slip of the toungue...Tue Jun 16 1992 19:3278
    
    Allow me to Deja reView (since / and I were siamese twins for the
    Albany shows).
    
    Wednesday night sponsored a phone call from / saying "don't know if I
    can make it Tree, I feel pretty sick..."  after hanging up and leaving
    it at I would call him tomorrow to find out fer sure, Tree-wife dubbed
    the /man a whimp!  Rare for Stacy to break out in such hostility...
    
    But alas the / pulled through.  We scored Friday night tix in trade for
    a giving /'s sister in law's roomate a ride to Albany, and were quite
    psyched about it too!  The ride out was a winding up-down and all
    around for the show, we finally found Thompson Lake State Park at
    ~5:30pm and there were "possibly one or two sites left" as Ranger Rick
    told us (I must say that though these campground folks took a while to
    do business, they were all more than hospitable to the flocks of heads
    that arrived).
    
    Well, off to the sites (via a map given to us by Ranger Rick).  First
    one taken, we drove across the map to the other one.  Now for the
    confusion...  The site on the map that he circled was #113, and on the
    map it was five sites past the washrooms on the left.  Well, we got
    there, and it was labelled #115 and it was occupied, but the one next to 
    it (labelled #114) was open.  Well, the labels on the actual sites did
    not correspond to the sites as they were listed on the map, and site
    #114 (as listed on the map) was actually labelled #113.  So we played
    the shell game with the rangers, and sufficiently confused them into
    agreeing that we were o.k. where we were and that site #113 was
    unaccurately labelled...  So after going back to the site / and I
    pulled a quick switcheroo of the signs and we were in #113...
    
    Thursday heading in, we got split up (/ needed O.J. before heading in)
    but he quickly rejoined me after Bertha...  good seats, straight back
    in the last row of the lower section, so we were backed up right to the
    boxes.  Sound was distant but good.  The show was there and I enjoyed
    it, but it never REALLY launched me...  First set highlights were
    Vince's build during Queen Jane INTENSE! and Music Never Stopped...
    
    We were seated next to Adam and Geoff S. and enjoyed, enjoying
    together.
    
    Second set, I enjoyed playin' and UJB was decent...  Drums as always
    was a highlight for me, though no train whistle was to be found either
    night.  
    
    Afterwards, a cool vendor scene awaited us, and a mellow evening at
    Jeremy's with Jum, Dave Clark, / and me.  Driving back to the
    campground for a nice evening's sleep... 
    
    Friday during the day was the MOST relaxing day I've had in a while...
    First we saw Paul Walker at the campground and stopped in.  He was with
    his friend Rick, then we motivated on to where Ranger Rick told us
    Debess and Guntis were...  We stopped in for a bit (the rest of the
    day), and we had a GREAT time hanging out, Debess and I enjoyed the
    swingset nearby (Picture ME swinging!)  That brought a few laughs...
    
    Having dinner with them (THANKS Debess!)  and driving in to Albany
    together.  Again, late, we must've missed the Hill St. Cafe crowd. 
    Friday's show was (I concede with popular opinion) much better than
    Thursday's, and I just rode on through the whole show intently
    listening to the music.  At set break I went to the lower level behind
    stage to do the drummer thing (watch Mickey and Bill).  What a treat! 
    I couldn't have been more than 50 ft. away, but I STILL used my
    binoculars!  / laughed at how intensely I was focusing in on the
    drummers, but he related...
    
    Vendor scene afterwards again, lots o' fun, the two intrepid travellers
    in the orange VW bug ( a hilarious site to behold), and / being a human 
    slinky were the after show highlights...  I didn't want to go to sleep
    that night because I was SO relaxed and into what I had just seen, so
    we built a campfire, and just when it was really getting nice, I got
    too dang tired and fell asleep...
    
    What a wonderful world... If only I could capture those feelings at
    will...  I'm still happy from it all!
    
    Tree
    After the show
23.489Debess,.. we owe you one!STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Tue Jun 16 1992 20:069
    :-)
    
    Cherish well your thoughts,.... 
    
    I know I do,.. especially the ones form the Albany trip!
    
    						/Soko
    
    
23.490LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureWed Jun 17 1992 19:4816
Re:     <<< Note 23.479 by OCTOBR::GRABAZS "where I, dreaming, lay amazed" >>>
>                                  -< *blush* >-

>	did you get some good shots...
>	didja get some nice ones of, uh, Bobby's, uh, *shorts*!


	Hey Debess, and anyone else who may be interested.....

in Giants Bobby not only had shorts but a muscle shirt!!  :-)  What's more
is I saw Adam right up there in the third row with a camera!!!!!!!!  ;^)  ;^)

Certainly helped cure the disease I toted around tour!!!  ;^)

more in general later,

23.491;-)OCTOBR::GRABAZSwhere I, dreaming, lay amazedWed Jun 17 1992 19:577
>in Giants Bobby not only had shorts but a muscle shirt!!  :-)  What's more
>is I saw Adam right up there in the third row with a camera!!!!!!!!  ;^)  ;^)


	oh, aaaaadammmmmmmm...

23.492Hey now,.. watch that language!STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Jun 17 1992 20:029
    Hey waht are you women trying to do,.. turn this into some kind
    of sexual rock star thing?!?!?!
    
    Remember what others have said,.. they are NOT rock stars (dammit!)
    
    :-)
    
    						/Soko
    
23.493EZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedWed Jun 17 1992 21:0911
re: my pictures

I didn't notice his shorts/legs (I'm not really much of a leg man :-)), but I'm
sure his muscle shirt will appear in a *few* shots!  Who knows, I may have
gotten his shorts in a few pix.  You'll be the first to know (I'll have the pix
back tomorrow evening).  From where I was situated, the edge of the stage
blocked the lower torso from a lot of pictures.  I did stand on my seat a few
times for some elevation, though.  I was mostly interested in the area from the
guitar *upwards*! :-)

ansel_adam
23.494Love is in the air today,.. I can feel itSTAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Jun 17 1992 21:217
    YA did good Adam,, ya did good,,.
    
    Don't let these females with their leg/hip/thigh/calf/knee/shorts/
    muscle shirt/muscle fetish's get to ya,. ya did good!
    
    						/:-)
    
23.495not exactly what I would call Love, / ;-)XANADU::GRABAZSwhere I, dreaming, lay amazedThu Jun 18 1992 00:2016
>I didn't notice his shorts/legs (I'm not really much of a leg man :-)), but I'm
>sure his muscle shirt will appear in a *few* shots!  

	oh, forget it then!

>Who knows, I may have
>gotten his shorts in a few pix.  You'll be the first to know 

	alright, I'm interested again ;-)...


>ansel_adam 

	:-)

23.496long winded......GIAMEM::CONNORSThu Jun 18 1992 13:5793
    I finally have a few minutes to add a few words about
    my Albany/Giants excursion!!!
    
    Arrived in Albany early Thursday afternoon, checked into
    the ever popular econo-lodge, dropped our stuff and headed
    out to where the fun was!!!  Took a swing by the Hill st
    but it was sooooo crowded we couldn't even move and just 
    as we were about to give up in walks da ve and Ger!  Good
    timing!  We also happened upon Adam and Geoff, said some
    quick hellos and headed back to pickup others at another
    bar before heading into the show...  should've left earlier
    because we got caught in the massive crunch and ended up
    missing the first line or two of Bertha :-(  Our seats 
    were real good though - lower tier, real close to the stage.
    Highlights were direwolf, and Loose Lucy!  Second set was
    good, and I liked the Quinn encore...  but I think the whole
    night could've used a little bit more energy.  Friday's show,
    IMO, was grate!!!  From beginning to end!  Promised land
    smoked!  We had upper level seats this night but luckily
    we were in the first row on the level - even had a little
    terrace to dance on!  Made fast friends with our neighborhood
    security dudette and she let us go nuts the whole time!  :-)
    2nd set definately had me smilin, and a boppin all over th
    place!  Scarlet Fire,Long way,smokestack, sugar mag!!!  whew!
    What a night!  Lots-o-fun!  After the show a bunch of us
    headed to Bailey's pub and enjoyed some post-show brews,
    laughter and fun!  Finally headed back to the econo-lodge
    to find our neighbors still awake - well, at least 1 was!  :-)
    The ride home from Albany was less than fun!  Our convoy of
    2 cars split up about 1/2 hour into the trip and our car broke
    down about 1 1/2 hours later!  AUGH!  not fun!  There we sat
    on the side of the mass pike....with a big chunk of the car
    in the cooler ;-/  we made the best of it though, set out our
    blanket, got out the radio, a few tapes, went up on a grassy
    hill and played 20 questions!  I think we were actually in
    denial!  ;-)  About an hour into our game, a nice bunch of
    heads in a bus stopped and offered a ride - THANK YOU!  Next
    stop, strubridge village visitors center.... called my wonderful
    sister (to whom I owe lots-o-favors now) to pick us up!!!
    
    Next trip....  Off to New Jersey on Sunday am!  (No thanks Rick,
    I'll drive.... ;-)
    
    Arrived at the Days Inn (great place to stay - even if it is 
    in New Jersey!)  1 mile from the stadium, mid-afternoon, once
    again, dropped our stuff and headed for the fun!  Did the 
    parking lot thing for a while, ran into Lisa & Dave and Phyllis
    and Linda(?).  Headed into the show a while later, good seats
    again, sec 131, lots of cool people around us as well, that's
    always nice - although there was 1 mega-screamer right in my
    left ear....  He eventually calmed down which was nice!  ;-}
    I was disappointed in Dough Knees!  Seemed to me like they just
    quit on it.  Not much energy at all...  
    Learned a new statistic during intermission.... they only play
    Sampson on Sunday's... can anyone confirm this?  According to
    the guy behind us, it's true, and sure enough, they opened the
    2nd set with it...   I liked the footage of Neal during The
    Other One, pretty wild....  and I just can't help but laugh when
    they play Baba O'Riley!  :-)  It's grate!!
    
    Monday....  Front Row!  Yeeehaaa!   Goin in early tonight!  Saw
    most of Steve Miller, he really put on a good show.  We sat (or
    rather stood on our chairs) in seats 4&5 of sec 1 (Phil side)
    from the middle)  Had a grate view of Phil and Mickey, fairly
    good of Bobby, only Jerry's head most of the time, good view
    of Vince if I leaned on the guy to my right, and no Billy, except
    when I looked straight up and caught them on the screens... but 
    that hurt my neck!  ;-)  This show was really grate in my opinion
    but I'm no sure I could feel any other way being so close for 
    the first time...  I was hysterical when Mickey and Billy were
    doing the train horns during drums....  Did everyone catch that?
    Mickey walked right out to the edge of the stage and blasted the
    thing back and forth, bouncing it on his hips, it was so funny!
    He was definately getting a kick out of himself!  And so were we!
    
    Being right in front of the speakers on Phil's side was grate!
    I thought I would be deaf forever - especially after Terrapin!
    Whoa!!!  No complaints from me on Monday nights show - except
    for the people sitting behind us - what a sin for people who
    have absolutely no interest in the band at all to have such good
    seats!  They were 4 teenagers (2 couples) and they just pawed
    at each other through the entire show!  it was disgusting!  I
    don't think they even opened their eyes once.  Not something I
    enjoy having in my peripheral vision all during a show!  blech!
    
    But anyway.... I had a grate week, I wish it wasn't over... 
    and I can't wait til the next shows I can go to...  
    
    Oh, 1 comment about Giants Stadium....  DISGUSTING!  I have never
    seen such disrespect for property in my life!  There were alot 
    of slobs in East Rutherford this week...  sad  :-(
    
    MJ 
23.497only on sundae's (hot fudge please!)SMURF::PETERTThu Jun 18 1992 14:3920
    Samson (deadbase spelling) only on Sundays?  Not true.  Deadbase shows
    a number non-Sunday Sampsons.  However, there do seem to be an 
    inordinate amount of Sundays that have Samson as a 2nd set opener
    or within the first 3 songs.  Hmmm, sounds like a task for 
    Eric Simon at Harvard and his Useless Dead Statisitics! ;-)
    (because I'm not looking through the whole thing!)
    
    4 teenager's pawing each other?  Reminds me of last September's Boston
    run.  Sitting behind the stage both night I went, I got to see 
    the boys head backstage during drums.  They have these little enclosed
    areas they hang out in, Phil behind his side, and everyone else 
    apparently on the other side.  It seemed a bit odd that Phil was
    by himself, but he was also warmly greeted by a woman I assumed was 
    his wife (it was a bit too warmly to be his mom or sis ;-)  I've always
    enjoyed seeing happy couples, but after a while I felt a bit like 
    a voyeur, so I tried to focus my attention back on the drums ;-)
    
                                                   Later,
                                                   PeterT
    
23.498CSLALL::HENDERSONGonna get there? I don't knowThu Jun 18 1992 14:5814

 A famous short person pointed out the Samson/Sunday phenomenon and I think if
 you look at the last 3-4 years Samson shows up on Sundays quite a bit.


 Pawing..we were behind the stage during a couple shows at BG and during one
 there was a couple in front of us and I tell ya, they weren't just pawing each
 other :-)




 Jum
23.499exVERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Jun 18 1992 15:061
    Were they making love, not war? :-)
23.500stuffLANDO::HAPGOODThu Jun 18 1992 15:2129
Pawing?  They have Paws?  Oh yeah right and Maws too!
:)

One time I went with the Lone Rhino (NOT Adrian), tms, miz patti and myself
down to Great Woods to see Weir and Wasserman and Tuna.  Well there was this
couple in front of us and they weren't interested in the show either.  I 
couldn't believe it.  I mean they weren't trying to hide it one bit.  I 
finally had to move in front of them because they were quite distracting.
And superhuman too ....

:)

ahh well,  

I did the Albany friday show thanks to JC.  Had a great time.  Ran into
all sorts of DECheads.  Bruce L,  Jay Jollimore, JC and Debby and JC's 
younger bro,  Mike R, Lisa, Dave, Giamem::I_fergot who just put in a note
so you';d think I'd know bny now:),  and his buddy the painter, Bill P and 
his bro Bob whom I haven't seen since Oxford, Carol and Shep, Dave Clark, 
another Dave Clark confusing so that makes vmpire::clark and demming::clark 
I think,  Jim Henderson who was speechless :) and probably some others I 
forgot. whew!  

The music was exellent!  Scarlet > Fire clocked in at something like 32
minutes or so I was told.  Jack Straw was great!  I was hoping for the
Baba O but attics was fine fine fine.  

back to it!
bobo
23.501CSLALL::HENDERSONGonna get there? I don't knowThu Jun 18 1992 15:439

RE:   <<< Note 23.499 by VERGA::STANLEY "what a long strange trip it's been" >>>
                                    -< ex >-

   > Were they making love, not war? :-)


     Well, they weren't making war, I'm pretty sure :-)
23.502GIAMEM::CONNORSThu Jun 18 1992 15:5412
    
    They were making me *sick* - luckily my seat wasn't right
    behind them - I felt for those whose were!  I need to point
    out that this was not just some happy couples showing a
    little affection...  I would describe it in detail but it's
    lunch time and I don't want to ruin my appetite!  
    
    here's one hint though... at the end of the show one of the
    guys had a huge purple hickey on his neck!  you could just
    about see his pulse in it!  blechhhhhh!!!  
    
    
23.503VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Jun 18 1992 16:392
    That nothing... once at a show in foxboro a guy relieved himself right
    where he stood in the middle of us all... talk about disgusting!
23.504where's that PortoSan man?!?NRSTA2::CLARKYesThu Jun 18 1992 17:562
re Mary, what a contrast that must've been to the beautiful, friendly scene
that IS Foxboro .... ;^)  ;^)
23.505talk about distgusting!LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureThu Jun 18 1992 18:1419
Re:    <<< Note 23.498 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "Gonna get there? I don't know" >>>



> A famous short person pointed out the Samson/Sunday phenomenon and I think if
> you look at the last 3-4 years Samson shows up on Sundays quite a bit.

	in fairness I must point out that Dave and Phyllis first mentioned
	this to me.

> Pawing..we were behind the stage during a couple shows at BG and during one
> there was a couple in front of us and I tell ya, they weren't just pawing each
> other :-)

   You mean before or after the guy was done throwing up all over the place.

	;^/


23.506back in Terrapin for good or ill again.. for good or ill againVERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Jun 18 1992 18:581
    Life... nothing like it, huh guys? :-)
23.507NYTimes review of 6/14/92VSSCAD::LARUrun, or fight, or dance!Thu Jun 18 1992 21:5249
From the NYTimes, June 18,1992

Even during the most flaccid Grateful Dead show, there are
moments worh waiting for.  At Giants Stadium on Sunday, in
the first of two sold-out shows, the band spent most of the
time playing soggy, waterlogged music.  Then, during the
rest of the show, the rhythm section and the lead guitarist
Jerry Garcia arose from their deep sleep, and those moments
came where improvisiation, the group's distinct sound and
the audience all melded.

The Dead's two drummers, aided by synthesizers, had just
performed a duet.  Using speakers placed all around the
stadium, the pair, Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann, moved
chunks of sound around the stadium, phasing it from side to
side.  Lights coming from the stage sent patterns swirling
randomly against the human backdrop.  It was like coming
across a lighthouse spinning away mindlessly on a dark
night;  the music and the lights created a mechanical
atmosphere where the machine, once started, wouldn't stop.

Then the rest of the band joined in.  Mr. Garcia, who hadn't
been audible for much of the show, picked up his tempo a bit
and his guitar lines, shimmering and cool, seared through
the group.  Mr Garcia swings, and his momentum drove the
band on while the members carefully picked their way through
a group improvisation.  The band, joined by the guitarist
Steve Miller, who had opened the show, launched into
"spoonful," then "The Other One," then finished with and
emotional version of "(Walk Me OUt in the) Morning Dew,"
with Mr Garcia evincing a bit of passion as he sang.

Through it all the two screens above the band had been
chattering away with imagery.  The Grateful Dead may be one
of the few groups from the 1960's not afraid of aging; where
Rod Stewart, for example, trades in his model wives for
younger versions, the Dead not only show close-ups of their
grizzled faces on the video screens, but project clips of
themselves dating back to the 1960's or early 1970's.  When
scenes of the Merry Pranksters flashed on, the crowd,
mostly in its 20's, cheered, and when the band finished its
set with the Who's "Baba o'Reilly," connected with the
Beatles' "Tomorrow Never Knows," it just went to prove that
rock, and the 1960's, have drifted into a sort of
classicism.  And it showed that in some circles, the signs
of age, which signify a certain type of outlaw cultural
experience on the face of the band, still have power.
                                    Peter Watrous
    
23.508Yea, but did he LIKE it? ;-)SMURF::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Jun 19 1992 15:053
    Nice review...Thanks,
    
    tim
23.509WASHINGTON DC TRIP REPORTEBBCLU::SMITHgota make it somehowMon Jun 22 1992 12:4344
	Excellent show!  Got to DC at 8:00 Friday night after a 
	long, traffic congested drive.  Stayed at Cherry Hills 
	Campground right off of 95 outside of DC, very nice place.
	Left for the show at 10:00AM Saturday morning where I was
	able to get a choice, shady spot on the green grass along the 
	river.  

	The general scene was very relaxed and trouble free all day.
	They brought in lots of dumpsters and there was a trash barrel
	around every corner, the place was kept very clean!  There is 
	a bridge that passes over part of the parking lot where the 	
	bongo section set up, they were so good, they even had a trumpet
	player in the back....what a blast!!!

	After Steve Miller I arrived in the stadium to some really nice
	seats.....Bruce Hornsby was on stage with the accordian and he 
	remained there for the entire show.  The first set started off 
	with a quiet Cold Rain and Snow, things picked up alot around 
	Maggies Farm and then an incredible Picasso Moon....WOW!!!  
	Bobby smiled after the crowd went completely nuts when they 
	ended the song.  Good Tennessee Jed, excellent Promosed Land 
	with great Vince solo.
	
	Second set began with Corina, the crowd seemed to be enjoying it.
	Very mello Crazy Fingers and then a spacy Playin.  Drums was great!!!
	I couldn't stop moving.  Then came the massive, long, loud, train
	whistle.  On the screens I could see both Micky and Billy with a 
	massive rack of horns around each of their necks....laughing
	hysterically, tooting the horns as the camera's panned in and out
	on them very quickly and made things look very goofy............
	The crowd went ape-shit and I couldn't stop laughing at the whole
	dang thing.  Space was very odd as if the band was preparing for 
	something.  I heard the first notes of Casey Jones and I knew what
	was going to happen thanks to Ger ;-)  Jerry was grinning for the 
	entire song as he stood there in a very relaxed position and hung 
	his belly out....he was the engineer and the crowd was the	
	passengers.  The song was played exactly as it was in the 70's 
	except it had a more snappy drum beat.  The remainder of the show 	
	was highly energetic.  Grate Saturday Night with Steve Miller and
	a member or two of his band.  Excellent show, very good scene, good
	music, grate to see Bruce Hornsby on accordian for the whole show.
	Southern Deadheads are a riot to party with.  I would love to 
	get a tape of this one.
23.510Grate ShowGRANPA::TDAVISMon Jun 22 1992 14:064
    I agree, grate 1st set, mellow security, nice weather(little cold),
    one of the best "Saturday Night" I have heard, RFK was rocking.
    
    Looking forward to Shoreline late August.
23.511EBBCLU::SMITHgota make it somehowMon Jun 22 1992 14:315
	Was it just my condition...or was that "Whistle scene" really
	intense.....They both looked so funny with these horns around
	their necks and the facial expressions were priceless.....the 
	whole thing seemed to last about 2 minutes...funny funny :-)
23.512LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureMon Jun 22 1992 16:157
I have seen the train whistle thing three times now, Nassau, Buffalo and
Giants (Giants being the first where Micky joined in as well).  In each 
case Billy and Micky were definitely getting an enjoyable rush out of the
whole thing!  Heck, I'd be pretty psyched too if I could make my belly sound
like a locomotive!!  What fun meetings would be!!  ;^)

23.513EBBCLU::SMITHgota make it somehowMon Jun 22 1992 17:319
>>whole thing!  Heck, I'd be pretty psyched too if I could make my belly sound
>>like a locomotive!!  What fun meetings would be!!  ;^)

What fun driving would be :-).....I'd like to put that setup on top of my car

I like seeing the
drummers continue to
to funny and wierd 
things. 
23.514cscma::digression see note 33 for dead topic :):):)LANDO::HAPGOODnow we play for lifeWed Jun 24 1992 13:0917
Wow!  Those Star Lake shows looked HOT. Especially 6-22 second set.
Althought the first set must've been nice too! (musta been the roses
and loser and deal!)

But that 2nd set looks like a killer!  I wonder if they played it good!
Anyone know?  The last time I heard a Spanish Jam was, I think, the last time
they played Portland and also the only time they did Revolutionary Hamstrung
Blues ....  

WOW!  

whoops,  sorry to talk about the Grateful Dead :)
now you call can get back to whatever ails ya!  Like Taxes, and Work woes
and and and 

:) :) :) x 1000
bobo
23.515CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 24 1992 14:254
    spainish jam (Alhambra?) was played in Vegas...sounded better there
    than on the tapes, but tapes are good too. What album is/was Alhambra
    on?? 
         rfb
23.516SCOONR::GLADUWed Jun 24 1992 16:005
    In Buffalo, everyone but Jerry was bent on Spanish Jam out of Space.
    Jerry insisted on the Other One - which would have sounded just fine
    after Alhambra. :-/
    
    - Gerry
23.517ariba!STAR::SALKEWICZIt missed... therefore, I am Wed Jun 24 1992 17:289
    Bob definitely toyed with the Spanish jam in Albany noe night,...
    but Jerry out bid him with,...???
    
    I love the Spanish jam (Is it really called Alhambra?) in the space
    section when they do it. Its not on any album as far as I can remember
    right now,...
    
    							/Conquistadore
    
23.518CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 24 1992 18:113
    So....IS Alhambra and Spainish Jam the same thing?? or am i con-fused. 
                                                                          
    rfb
23.519SCOONR::GLADUWed Jun 24 1992 19:2410
    re: <<< Note 23.518 by CXDOCS::BARNES >>>

    >So....IS Alhambra and Spainish Jam the same thing?? or am i con-fused. 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        
    Nope. The Same Thing is a blues tune that they've recently started to
    play again (boy, you're *reeeely* confused :-). However Alhambra and 
    Spanish Jam usually refer to the same musical piece :-)
    
    - Gerry
23.520ha!JUNCO::DWESTif wishes were horses...Wed Jun 24 1992 19:473
    "what makes rfb go crazaayyyyyy?!?!?!?"
    
    					:^)
23.521CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 24 1992 21:282
    whew!!! I feel better!
                          rfb
23.522MR4DEC::WENTZELLDon't say I didn't warn youFri Jun 26 1992 13:385
Who sang Schoolgirl in Chicago??  Was/is anyone there to give us a personalized 
review?

Curious...
23.523LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTOdiscover the wonders of natureFri Jun 26 1992 13:442
	Here's the topic I was looking for!!!  Thanks Scott.  :-)
23.524good mornin'GIAMEM::DMITCHELLyou know all the rules by nowFri Jun 26 1992 13:457
    
    re-1 schoolgirl.
    
    I would say Bobby. I've got a tape from '87 and he sang Schoolgirl.
    
    Don
    
23.525CSCMA::M_PECKARspinning that curious senseFri Jun 26 1992 16:285
Last Schoolgirl was with Carlos, 8-22-87, before that:

9-19-70, Fillmore East. DBV doesn't say if Cotton played that Filmore show, but 
it does say that NRPS opened...
23.526SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Fri Jun 26 1992 16:316
Wow, they did Schoolgirl again!  Was there any special guests this time??
Last time it was with Carlos at Calaveras County Fairgrounds.


peace,
t!ng
23.527School GirlPEAKS::LAWLORcan't go back ... can't stand stillTue Jun 30 1992 01:5412
    
    	Yea, Bobby sang School Girl, and a mighty fine job of it !
    at least I thought so anyway... James Cotton played some really bluesy
    harmonica on the tune too ! I think Steve Miller might have jammed on
    it also but I cannot say absolutely for sure. I guess the song was
    originally done by Sonny Boy Williamson, an old Chicago blues man, so
    it fit the bill. This whole show was very well done, with James Cotton
    playing on quit a few tunes, and Steve Miller too. Pretty neat place,
    that Soldier Field, for a big stadium show the sound was not bad at
    all ! I'd go back there again anytime...
    
    TL 
23.528ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 30 1992 13:3312
    RE: -1
    
    I have to agree about soldier field being a great place to see a 
    show if it has to be in a statium.  I made it down last year and 
    had a great time.  Did they do the fireworks either night?  I 
    could of had tix for both nights but I had two wedding to go to and 
    this is my last two weeks of school - I will have a BA!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Glad you had a good time - did you happen to talk to any tapers? ;-)
    
    :-) 
    Scott g
23.529CONGRATSEBBV03::SMITHthey can change their shapes and sizesTue Jun 30 1992 15:547
	Scott,

	Congratulations on the B.A., I am also an evening student
	and I'm almost to my associates.  Going to school nights
	and working full time is the toughest job there is.  :-)

23.530Nothing left to do but :-) :-) :-)ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 30 1992 18:129
    RE -1
    
    Thanks!!!  You got that right about a tough job.  The thing that makes
    me the happiest about being done it that I will be able to spend more
    time with my wife and 2 year old daughter and the next baby that I just
    found out is on the way!!! :-) :-) :-) 
    
    :-)
    Scott g
23.531SKYLRK::TINGGive Peace a Chance!!!Tue Jun 30 1992 18:136
>    ... and the next baby that I just found out is on the way!!! :-) :-) :-) 
    
Wow, congrats to an expectant dad!  8-)

peace,
t!ng
23.532you aint seen nuthin yetMONTOR::HANNANBeyond description...Tue Jun 30 1992 18:167
	Congrats Scott!!  ;-)   

	Better start planning what yer gonna do with yer remaining 
	free time, which will totally cease within, oh, I'd say 9 months 
	or so  ;-);-)

	Ken
23.533CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 30 1992 19:226
    how can anyone work 8 hrs a day, go to school at nite, do homework AND
    find the time to do the things necessary to impregnate their
    lover!!!???!!!
    
    ya'll have my utmost respect   (but just WAIT till they're teenagers!)
                                rfb
23.534ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 30 1992 19:557
    RE: rfb
     
    ;-)
    Some things are just more important that homework.
    
    :-)
    Scott g
23.535rfb's homebrew instruction 101ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 30 1992 19:577
    RE: rfb
    
    now that I am done with school I might also find some time to try
    homebrewing.  
    
    :-)
    Scott g
23.536CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 30 1992 20:162
    Man, that's a hard decision...to brew or to (rhymes with brew)
       rfb   %^)
23.537ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 30 1992 20:304
    I know I know....another bad joke ;-)
    
    :-)
    Scott g
23.538If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!TLE::WEISSWhere's the keg? It's at the bottom of the lake!Tue Jun 30 1992 20:4711
>    Man, that's a hard decision...to brew or to (rhymes with brew)
		   ^^^^
No pun intended, eh, rfb!?!?!  :-)

No decision necessary...just do both!!!! :-)

A certain Jimmy Buffet tune comes to mind! (with, of course, no pun intended!!!)

:-)

Dave
23.539Puns?ZENDIA::FERGUSONVillains always blink their eyesThu Jul 02 1992 15:1616
><<< Note 23.538 by TLE::WEISS "Where's the keg? It's at the bottom of the lake!" >>>
>        -< If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice! >-
>
>>    Man, that's a hard decision...to brew or to (rhymes with brew)
>		   ^^^^
>No pun intended, eh, rfb!?!?!  :-)
>
>No decision necessary...just do both!!!! :-)

I can't wait to read the string of puns that might ensue here!  

>A certain Jimmy Buffet tune comes to mind! (with, of course, no pun intended!!!)

Why don't we all get drunk and .....

(I just saw Buffet in Nashville, TN)
23.540ZENDIA::FERGUSONVillains always blink their eyesThu Jul 02 1992 15:3256
	A brief review of the shows I saw.  I went to Friday Albany, both
Giant Stadium shows, and the first Charlotte, NC show.  A lotta miles of
driving, that is fer sur!

	Out of the 4 shows I saw, I thought Albany was the highlight.  
Concurring with many here, I too like Albanyt both as a venue and as a
city to host shows.  It seems like the city prepares for the shows and
executes them well by closing off streets, etc.

	For Albany, I sat in the 11 row on the Jerry side thanks for Mr Bruce
Laru!!  This is the closest I've ever been in the 30+ times I've seen the
dead.  It was really different seeing them so close.  And, I also brought my
binocular to get an extra close-up veiw.  One bummer of this side seat was
the loudness of the music - it was really loud, too loud for my comfort range
(I guess I'm getting old!).  That new communication system they have was
interesting to watch - occasionally bob would mess up and part of his talking
would come over the PA system.  I even saw them use it _during_ a song - in
the middle - I wonder what they were talking about then? Seems like they
are still working the bugs out of the system.  The show was the best of
the run, as I mentioned before, the highlight for me being S->F and Attics.
That was my first S->F since Saratoga in '88 ... needless to say, I was
quite excited.  The vending scene outside Albany BOOMED compared to recent
years.

	Next was Giants.  I found both shows to be rather mediocre - low
energy, few jams that did anything for me, and the amount of idiots that
trashed the scene by piling onto the floor.  The first night I was with
an old friend from my hometown and we sat in sect 130 or so on the Phil
side.  SOund was ok.  The normal jamming down the isles symdrome was as lame
as ever as disrespectful deadheads continued their quest get the best
possible seat everytime.  The scene outside Giants was very nice - the
weather was just right (not unbearably hot) and the vending scene was
tremendous.  I did not see anyone being hassled for selling their junk.

	On Tuesday, I drove from NJ to NC (Durham) - 520 or so miles.  Decent
ride, jammed lots of tapes, saw lots of heads on the road also.

	Wednesday I went to Charlotte around midday and got there around
3pm or so.  The scene at the coliseum was a bit more regimented - the
parking people directed cars to park in specific spots w/o any leeway.
The vending scene was ok - i did see 2 grateful dead personell busting
people selling their stuff.  The scene inside the coliseum was pretty good.
Charlotte is a nice, new, well-laid out coliseum (this is the new place).
Inside, all the seats looked good.  I had a seat straight back.  The
crowd in the south was noticbly more respectful compared to the NY/NJ/NE
crowd - once again, I had a seat close to the isle and did not have to deal
with a bunch of idiots cramming down the isle.  And, security to let people
down into sections was pretty mellow and non-existent during break.  I do
not remember much of the show - probably because it was a middle-of-the-road
show with no highlights coming to mind.

	Summer tour is really fun - the weather was fantastic, which really
makes a difference I think.  And, I saw what I considered to be the strongest
showing of vending since '87.

	JC
23.541Buckeye Lake review?NIMBUS::NIEDNERThu Jul 09 1992 00:1013
    
    
    Did anyone go to the Buckeye Lake show?  I ended up having to cash in
    my tickets, and would like to torment myself by hearing how wonderful
    it was.  
    
    A friend from my nearby hometown said the local papers were 'rampant
    with shock and titillation' over the 'heads, and also that it made quite
    a stir when our own Licking County Sheriff was dosed in the eye
    with a squirt-gun.  
    
    
    					Carl
23.542Love it or...SMURF::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Jul 09 1992 15:075
Licking County.  :-)

Ya gotta love a place with a name like that.

tim
23.54302-Dec-1992 DenverBSS::MNELSONThu Dec 03 1992 16:1244
  Here's my review of last nights show:
 
  First off, the incredibly intelligent McNichols folks had the thought
that trying to funnel the southwest parking lot crowd through 3 doors
would be a great idea.  Maybe they we trying to save some cash by employing
less friskers, but they created one of the longest lines I've been in in a 
long time, on a 20+ degree night to boot.  Granted, I did decide to get in 
line 20 minutes before showtime.  Luckily the band started a little late.

  The security folks near us were pretty cool, no hassles. 

  Jerry looked good, not that much thinner, but still looked good.  Bob
was sporting a pretty short hair cut.  Phil looked like the same.  Vince
reminds me a lot of Ian Anderson looks-wise, mavbe its just me. 

  The band started with a nice mellow Stranger.  I felt it preety much set 
the tone for the night.  They generally sounded excellent however, pretty 
mellow.  They Love Each Other followed and sounded great!  Same thing, 
Jack-A-Roe, and Its All Over were all fine, however mellow.  Then Jerry seemed
to burst out on So Many Roads, he sang as strong as I've ever seen. It was a 
true joy. It brings a smile to my face just thinking about it again. They 
finished the set with a beautiful Let It Grow.

  They seemed to take a longer than usual intermission.  Then they opened
with a nice China Cat into Rider.  Truckin was quite mellow.  Jerry did it
again on He's Gone. Man, there is nothing left to do but Smile when that 
man sings like that.  I loved it.  Drums was nice.  Mickey was playing some 
string type instrument that is layed out vertically and stroked and beaten
with some type of bar.  I don't know what it was but it produced some trippy
sounds.  Anyone know what the thing is.  He had it layed out behind them under
gong type drums.  Space seemed very mellow again.  Bobby played the rock star
on Miracle.  Wharf Rat was wonderful.  On Lovelight, they seemed to be having 
a ball.  It came off well.  

  For the encore the did Here Comes Rain.  I think that's the name.  What ever
the name it was GRATE!  Really psychadelic sounding and just beautiful.  Phil
was super.  I couldn't believe how well it sounded.

  Overall,  Vince sang grate on some tunes.  He seems to fit great.  Jerry
seemed happy and healthy and sang super.  Pretty mellow show, but just plain
fun.
                                                   
 Now on to tonight!  
23.544beam me away, thou Vulcan!SMURF::PETERTThu Dec 03 1992 18:0216
    I suspect this might be a collision but what they hey ;-)
    
>     Mickey was playing some string type instrument that is layed out 
>     vertically and stroked and beaten with some type of bar.  I don't know 
>     what it was but it produced some trippy sounds.  Anyone know what the 
>     thing is.  He had it layed out behind them under
    
    This is the infamous Beam.  Basically a steel I-bar fitted with piano
    wire and then through an amp setup.  Interviews I've heard with Gans
    bring to mind that no signal processing is involved, but I could
    be wrong (it's happened before ;-)
    
    And I think Vince does look a bit like Ian Anderson.  At least in the 
    scraggly haired wild-eyed look!
    
    PeterT
23.545CSCMA::M_PECKARDyslexics Untie!Thu Dec 03 1992 18:1611
Ahhhhhhhh..

How very very veryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryveryvery VERY

nice it is to read a show review again!

Heck, they were only on hiatus for 5 or six months, imagine how hard retirement
would be. We'd all be at each others throats for eternity!

:-)
23.546NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Dec 03 1992 19:4110
    Thanks for the reviews everybody... it reminds me why I got into this
    notes file to begin with.
    
    Hey rfb, where are you?  How did you like the show?  Do you remember
    any of it? ;-) ;-)
    
    God I'm jealous.
    
    tim
    
23.547I need a show -- 4+ years and counting since my last!LJOHUB::GILMOREShame on the MoonThu Dec 03 1992 19:5020
   
   >>  <<< Note 23.546 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY "Short arms, and deep pockets..." >>>

    
   >> God I'm jealous.
    
    That makes two of us.
    
    On another note, regarding the Denver shows, this morning on Good
    Morning America they were talking about people "boycotting" Colorado
    because of No. 2.  I thought for sure that they'd show the NTTH sign,
    but much to my and Chris' chigrin (is that how that's spelled?) it
    wasn't!!!!!!
    
    It's a billboard -- how could they not give it national attention??
    
    
    Harumph.
    
    sparky
23.54803-Dec-1992 DenverBSS::MNELSONFri Dec 04 1992 15:1339

  Here's my review of last nights (thursday) show:
 
  The McNichols folks must have learned something because the opened up
more gates and things flowed alot better.  The snow was blowing but was 
actually sort of nice.  It was pretty cold out though.

  The band came on about 25 minutes late again.  They opened with a pretty
laid back Touch Of Grey.  I had the feeling that it might be the start of 
another mellow night.  They sort of picked it up with Red Rooster. The
sound volume was low enough to talk comfortably with out straining.  
PeggyO was really nice and things continued to grow.  Queen Jane was fine
and Bobby sounded great. The volume kept creeping up. Ramble on Rose was 
excellent with Jerry smilin away.  I could tell we were really in for a 
fun night.  They cranked on Cassidy and finished with a really hot 
Don't ease. The place was rockin!

  2nd set picked right up were it left off with a great Playin into Eyes.
It was a fabulous Eyes. It just felt great.  I heard my first Corrina. It
has a very different sound.  Fun and sort of high tech sounding.  I am 
not entirely sold on it, but will listen to it few more times before I 
can make up my mind. Then came a thundering Terrapin!!!!!  The place was 
rockin.  I loved it.  Drums space and were nice but not overly exceptional.
Picked it up with a nice Other one and finished with a beautiful Morning
Dew.  Jerry was fabulous.   

  The encore was a hot version of Gloria.  real high energy and a lot 
of fun. 

  Vince did not sing as much did Wednesday but played some great keyboard.
Bobby seemd to be having a lot of Fun.  Phil was hammering that base and 
Jerry was excellent.  Mickey and Bill kept it driving.  Incredible Synergy
This was definitely the type of show that you come out and are completely 
reaffirmed that this is why you keep going back.  
  
  What a great Time!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
23.549SCOONR::GLADUTue Dec 08 1992 11:576
>It's a billboard -- how could they not give it national attention??
    
    The billboard and a few comments by David Gans made it on CNN (CNN is
    known to have more than a few deadheads on it's wolrdwide staff. ;-)   
 
    ger
23.550SCOONR::GLADUTue Dec 08 1992 18:1519
    Well, I gotta say the new version of Here Comes Sunshine is something!
    They really brought out the Beast for this one! Just rolls right along
    making it's presence known. Not as textbook as prior versions and that's 
    fine with me. The vocal harmonies are really, really tight and Jerry's
    voice nowadays is as good as you'll ever hear it.
    
    Between the soundchecks on saturday and sunday we got treated to three 
    versions of it with the sunday's opener clearly the best. Unfortunately 
    Mr. Healy was asleep at the switch and didn't turn the mic's on soon enough
    so the vocals start out with "...Comes Sunshine". Thanks Dan. Nevertheless
    it's quickly fergotten. What a great opener!
    
    All in all the band is playing great! Jerry looks good and lost about 30+
    pounds. Bobby is on on a new Grunge Rock guitar kick which can get annoying
    at times but adds a sort of freshness to their style for the most part.
    Compton is a great place to see a show. Great sound with a terraced lawn.
    Not a bad seat in the house.
    
    ger
23.551t!ng says hi, and she'd like to contribute the followintempe reviewROCK::CAMPR::FROMMThere is no way to peace;peace is the way.Thu Dec 10 1992 14:35107
Ah Arizona!  We were worried all week that it was going to rain.  The
forecast said 100% chance of rain Friday, 70% Saturday and Sunday.  This
was supposed to be the desert!  We flew in Friday night to a crying sky,
but our spirits were not dampened in the least.  We brought all our rain
gear, trusting enough in Murphy's Law to know that it would not rain if
we were prepared.  Our faith did not deceive us.

Saturday, it was overcast when we awoke, but soon the sun peeked out
through the clouds.  He must have liked what he saw because he stayed
all weekend to our collective delight!  Saturday's show started off with
a rocking Let The Good Times Roll, a seeming rarity since the death of
Brent.  It took a couple of songs before the sound optimized.  Sleeping
on the job, Healy?  After that, the show rolled along like clockwork.
Some highlights for me in the first set were Tom Thumb's and The Music
Never Stopped.  Phil's rendition of Tom Thumb's was beautifully done.
The Music Never Stopped ended in a nice but seemingly unfinished jam.
It could have gone further.  Yes, it is true the set could have been
even more spirited, but who is complaining after 6 months?  I am just
glad they are playing again!  It was even as much a miracle that they
were ever there at all!  A lot of the folks road-tripping from Denver
to Tempe never made it because of the snowstorm.  New Mexico closed
off 200 miles of highway leading into Tempe.  The Ultrasound equipment
barely made it in at 5:30 Saturday morning.  Maybe the sound problems
in the first set was due to lack of time to set up the equipment
properly.

Second set started off suddenly with a beautiful Scarlet->Fire.  The
band did not tune up at all.  They walked on stage and went into Scarlet
almost right away.  I have an eternal bias for Scarlet->Fire's -> never
get sick of them!  Mickey's congas gave it a very refreshing twist. The
first thought that crossed my mind when they rolled into Estimated was
"Gee, Bobby's voice must have gotten better!"  I heard he almost lost it
in Denver.  Well, not even Bobby's eagle screams could ruin the Estimated
for me this time.  Maybe the 6-month hiatus has dulled my judgment?  The
Wheel ranks up there as one of my favorite out-of-spacers.  How many times
must I hear some of these lyrics before their profundity finally strikes
me.  "Small wheel turns by the fire and rod, big wheel turns by the grace
of God, every time that the wheel turns around, you're bound to cover just
a little more ground!"  I can relate!  I am ever amazed by the poetry of
Robert Hunter.  I love The Wheel!  Watchtower built as it ever does only
to come down into the soulfulness of Black Peter.  Saturday Night should
have been expected, but for some reason it caught me by surprise.  It has
been too long!  What a rocker!  The Weight closed off a most welcome show.

Sunday's show was better.  Perhaps this is an understatement.  Here Comes
Sunshine!  Wow!!  It is the first since '74.  We knew they had been sound
checking it, but they sound check a lot of stuff they never end up doing.
We were psyched!  A little rough at spots, but nothing that cannot be
polished with a little more practice and maybe more attention on Healy's
part.  Friend of the Devil caressed us gently with its melody.  Jerry
sings often with conviction.  Bobby messed up the lyrics to Me And My
Uncle big time!  Well, for someone who couldn't even spell Gloria in
Denver, I shouldn't be surprised ;-).  Maybe Bobby knows Dan Quayle?
8-)  The band sprang into Althea - very well-played.  Deal was an extra
sweet closer to a short set, an hour-long set with only about 50 minutes
of music, the rest of the time was filled up by pauses between songs!
At some point between songs, an ultralight flew over the amphitheatre.
Bobby said "There goes one of those whatever they are!  And Jerry said
it's a Texas dragonfly."  Whether Jerry really said it, only Bobby or
Jerry will know.  The ultralight looked like a rainbow-colored flying
go-cart or a motorized hang glider.

The Samson second set opener was very well done.  Hot!  And the Denver
crowd in the audience finally got their Uncle John's.  Even though they
didn't bless the Denver shows with it, the "Ain't No Time To Hate"
billboard became a reality.  The Ain't No Time To Hate design for the
sticker and billboard is not one of mine for those of you wondering.
The design is a Steal Your Face with a pink inverted triangle in place of
the lightning bolt.  The pink triangle is a symbol of gay solidarity.  I
enjoyed being stickered at Tempe with a different NTTH sticker 8-)  Many
thanks to rfb for stickering Denver with my version of NTTH!  I heard you
did a good job!  8->  And the Playin' reprise finished off the Playin'
from Denver.  My friend tc, who missed Saturday's show because he got
stuck in New Mexico coming from Denver, said he was glad they waited for
him to finish Playin' *and* to do Here Comes Sunshine.  I was glad too.
Ain't nothing like listening to a disgruntled deadhead who missed *the*
show of the run (even if it's only 2 shows 8-).  It ain't pretty, trust
me!  During drums, a couple of roadies took turns slamming a huge sledge
hammer (I'm talking about one as big as they were!) down on the steps
leading down from Mickey's side of the drum set.  Then Bobby came out and
swung the sledge hammer.  He escaped backstage when Mickey and Billy
fought back with a flurry of drumsticks and other paraphernalia flying
through the air.  Space was much more experimental than the day before.
New depth and broader unknowns grew from a few musical seeds.  The Last
Time this time had a new meaning.  They did not do The Last Time at the
Vegas run in May, but for me, that was "the last time" for 6 months.  Any
show can be "the last time."  This thought keeps me cherishing every note.
The China Doll was a surprise treat!  The bells of heaven rang!  Much
indecisiveness at the end of Throwing Stones - in fact they came to
a full stop.  They gave in to routine anyways and started off into
Not Fade Away.  Oh well!  Brokedown Palace was a wonderful closer to
a much needed and appreciated set of shows.

Jerry looked thinner and sported a dark green long-sleeved crew-necked
top and the familiar black sweats both days.  Bobby was in leather
jacket and mirrored shades the first day and back to the old polo shirt
the second day.  His hair was short!  Don't go back to that barber again,
Bob!  Yikes!  No cigarette smoke clouds in the Jerry section.  He looked
good!  Today's SF Chronicle featured a Jerry interview in which he
mentioned that he plans to have his last cigarette on New Year's Eve and
that he had lost 60 pounds!!  Don't turn sideways, Jer, we might not
be able to see you!  NOT!  8-)

I am looking forward to this weekend!

peace,
t!ng
23.552VERGA::STANLEYwhat a long strange trip it's beenThu Dec 10 1992 15:321
    Wah.. (sniff, sniff)... I miss the boys.
23.553I need a MiracleLJOHUB::GILMOREShame on the MoonThu Dec 10 1992 15:384
    goin' on 4 years since my last show . . . 
    
    8^'(
    sparky
23.554SCOONR::GLADUFri Dec 11 1992 14:175
    re: ultralight
    
    Pretty funny. I'm listening to Jamie's tape with headphones and I noticed 
    you can hear the ultralight orbiting clockwise over the venue in between 
    FOTD and MAMU. 
23.555CSLALL::HENDERSONWrong week to quit smokingFri Dec 11 1992 14:3914
 Speaking of ultralights...years ago when I lived in Phoenix, we had a hell of
 a rainstorm one winter, and the dam (name of which I forget) high up on the
 Salt River was reaching its max levels (and they spotted some weaknesses in 
 the thing which was always kept at 95% full anyway) so they had to release 
 some water.  There were at the time 5 bridges crossing the river at different
 points and 4 of them were washed out.  So some folks who lived in Tempe and 
 Mesa who worked in Phoenix, to avoid the massive traffic pileups, took to 
 flying to work in their ultralights :-)




 Jum
23.556CXDOCS::BARNESFri Dec 11 1992 14:435
    the same thing happened on the west side of Phoenix several times in
    the 70's...it was on the Auga Friea (sp) river though...we'd drive out
    and watch the bridges wash away....
    
    rfb
23.557CSLALL::HENDERSONWrong week to quit smokingFri Dec 11 1992 15:159

 Hmmm...maybe that was the river then..I'm pretty sure the Salt did the same
 thing though...this was in 78 or 79.  




 Jum
23.558CXDOCS::BARNESFri Dec 11 1992 16:013
    the Salt did the same thing to the east side of Phoenix, more than once
    in the 70's...i moved in 77...
    rfb
23.559exLJOHUB::RILEYNamer of chaotic individuals everywhere!Tue Dec 15 1992 12:0010
    
    
    Ok Ger...  Seriously, can you really tell that the Ultralight is flying
    clockwise over the Terrace?  If so, I am VERY impressed with the aural
    capabilities of the mics you use (and their positioning of course)...
    
    anyway...  I was going to enter a Tempe review from 12/5, but it'll
    have to wait.  Stay tuned.
    
    Tree
23.560what'd he say??? :-)SCOONR::GLADUTue Dec 15 1992 14:1124
re: Note 23.559 by LJOHUB::RILEY     
    
    >Ok Ger...  Seriously, can you really tell that the Ultralight is flying
    >clockwise over the Terrace?  
    
    Yep, except when it reverses direction and goes counter-clockwise. :-)
    
    >If so, I am VERY impressed with the aural capabilities of the mics you 
    >use (and their positioning of course)...
    
    You can tell with headphones but it's pretty faint. No big trick. 
    I could have even picked it up with cheaper split Nak shotguns. Cardioids 
    on axis at 110deg ORTF will usually give a decent stereo representation. 
    Split omni's would have given an even more accurate aural representaion 
    of the orbiting vehicle and a few tapers switched to this configuration 
    on the second day after we learned the repeater speakers behind the pit 
    were also used for quad during Drums. We didn't go that route and opted
    for direct stereo.
    
    The less expensive Schoepps mics you saw on top of our stand came out
    better than the much more expensive Neumanns I patched into. The large
    foam windscreens on them dulled the sound a tad.
    
    ger
23.561I'm confusedBINKLY::DEMARSEWalk me out in the morning dewTue Dec 15 1992 15:103
    What's an ultralight?
    
    :), danielle
23.562ICS::ODONNELLIt's hard being string all the timeTue Dec 15 1992 15:174
    really weak beer.
    
    Lorax
    
23.563I still think boatsMILKWY::SAMPSONDriven by the windTue Dec 15 1992 15:229
    If you asked me I'd tell you it was a very lightly built racing
    sailboat with too much sail and barely enough ballast to keep it up. 
    They are popular on the west coast and the transpac is a sprint to 
    Hawaii from SF. 
    
    But I think they're talking planes
    
    Geoff
    But an ultralight planes
23.564It looks like a Texas dragonflySCOONR::GLADUTue Dec 15 1992 15:334
    It's basically a go-cart with hang glider wings. It's a very light
    plane, hence the term ultralight.
    
    ger
23.565sounds like funBINKLY::DEMARSEWalk me out in the morning dewTue Dec 15 1992 15:473
    I want to ride in one of those!
    
    /danielle
23.566SCOONR::GLADUTue Dec 15 1992 16:103
    I believe that you can take lessons and even solo in one on
    the first day. Alternatively, you could go for a ride in a 
    tandem. Bit chilly nowadays. :-)
23.567no rules!CSCMA::M_PECKARPray for snowTue Dec 15 1992 19:324
Ultralights require no licencing, training, or structural certification.

Sure is a good idea, though...
23.56812/11/92 reviewESGWST::MIRASSOUWe're gonna need another Timmy!Tue Dec 15 1992 19:4559
    Hey, I'm glad you guys have digressed here!  Now I don't have to
    go searching through the file to find the note for reviews.
    
    Here's my impressions of Friday, 12/11/92, Oakland Coliseum.
    
    I got to the show late, since I was feeling guilty about slipping
    out of work TOO early (I'm a late arriver type), and then I got stuck
    in some miserable traffic.  So I missed a good chunk of the first
    set, not settling down on the floor until the middle of Cassidy.
    I'll skip my impressions, but others said it was good, with
    Wang-Dang-Doodle as hot as Wang Dang gets.
    
    I ran into t!ng during the break.  She told me I was handing out the
    wrong color NTTH stickers.  Oh well, it was the only color I had.
    I also saw Andy Nourse and Bill Pelletier and talked with them for
    awhile.
    
    For the second set, I tried something new.  I went up into the stands
    just to the left of the tapers section (At Oakland, the tapers section
    is directly in the rear, about halfway down from the top.)  I was
    really impressed by the sound there, though in the next couple days I
    realized that the sound in general seems to have improved.
    
    Iko started things out bouncy and fun.  Then they immediately changed
    the mood with a beautiful Looks Like Rain, probably one of the best I'd
    heard.  It almost brought tears to my eyes.  Even the screams at the
    end had the right tinge of anguish.  Eyes was nice, but for some reason
    didn't catch me the way it usually does.  Since others sounded like
    they liked this version of Eyes, maybe I was still coming off the LLR.
    After Eyes came a spacy transition into Corrina.  It almost reminded me
    of that spacy solo in the middle of The Chambers Brothers "Time has
    Come Today".  But they finally settled into a high energy version
    of Corrina.  For a bit, I thought they were going into something
    else before drumz, but the stage was soon left to the percussion pair.
    Some interesting sounds I hadn't heard before popped up during drumz.
    One sounded like a girl screaming in terror (in fact, I thought it was
    someone screaming the first time I heard it, but after hearing it
    many times, both in drumz and space, decided it was just something
    new).  I'm not good at describing drumz or space (words just don't
    seem appropriate for something like that), so we'll progress forward
    to the sweet Wheel following space.  Again, a real nice version, and
    just the right thing to play at the time.  Bobby had to lead hand
    gestures during the "small wheel turn..." (small hand circles) and
    "big wheel turn..." (big hand circles), but even that seemed like
    the thing to be doing at the time.  The wheel turned into another
    sweet one, Stella Blue.  Again, Jerry's voice sounded real nice, with
    it only cracking during points where it should be cracking (the sad
    "Stella Blues" near the end).  Then they brought the energy right back
    up again with a hot Sugar Magnolia/SSDD.  Bobby got to play rock star
    again, running back and forth across the stage.  For an encore, they
    did your basic US Blues.
    
    All in all, a real good show.  I think the layoff did them good, since
    they all seemed to be in good voice and good spirits, really enjoying
    themselves while playing.  And they must have done some tweeks to the
    sound system, as there was a noticable difference in clarity for
    other shows I've seen at the coliseum.
    
    And this one was just the beginning!
23.569LJOHUB::RILEYNamer of chaotic individuals everywhere!Wed Dec 16 1992 16:5479
    
    
    I know it's a little late, but better late than never:
    
    12/5 Chandler, Arizona, Compton Terrace....  The BOYs.
    
    Being my first show west of Albany, I was quite pumped for the day
    ahead...  It was a long night, playing out the night before, getting
    home, unloading my drums, showering, and immediately hopping into the
    limo to catch my 6:00am flight to Phoenix...  But sleep deprivation
    would be the last thing to slow me down for the day ahead.
    
    I landed in Phoenix 20-30 minutes late but there was still two hours
    before the 2:00pm start time.  As I walked into the gate, I immediately
    saw Mystery who was happy to see me on the right flight, and anxious to
    get going...  The poor guy would have to live with me for the entire
    following week (another story)...
    
    We got my bags and hopped into the rental car (who begged for us to
    rapidly depreciate it) and left the airport to head South and West
    toward the Indian Reservation where Compton Terrace is located.  During
    the drive, I asked about the Denver shows, and Jim update me on the
    snow storm that hit the night or two before...  the result being
    thousands of folks driving from Denver to Phoenix who were stopped
    midway due to closed roads and bad weather  :^(  Jim even mentioned
    that the equipment may be in trouble to make the show start time.
    
    Well, we continued to pick the wrong traffic lanes as we approached the
    venue, but I started to unwind from the flight anyway... We saw the
    Terrace coming closer and closer and finally could see the parking lots
    crawling with VWs, flying recreational projectiles (aka frisbees),
    shirtless smiling people, and color adorned clothing that will someday
    be displayed in the Smithsonian... 
    
    The Nobel Traffic Directing Prize award winner was clearly responsible
    for the configuration of the routing and layout of the venue, we
    spanned out into 5 lanes while they collected $3 for parking, then
    crammed back into one before being allowed to proceed into the parking
    lot...  If traffic patterns were ever to emulate those patterns found
    in nature (as my mind tells me often is the case) we certainly did one
    hell of a rat swallowing snake impression during that episode!
    
    Anyway, Jim was directed into the parking spot by a free spirited young
    woman who decided port-o-potties weren't quite as convenient as open
    car doors, and we continued on foot from there.  It was quite a trek
    from the lot to the venue...  and during the trek I was reminded by
    seeing my surroundings that white man was indeed kind to his native
    brother in picking such a *choice* location for a reservation :^(  Flat
    open space engulfed the Terrace and though we were in desert climate,
    the earth's surface was constantly peeking up through 1 inch of swampy
    presence...  so we built a castle, but it sank into the swamp, so we
    built another castle...  uh, <snap> sorryI was distracted for a second
    there.
    
    We herded into the Terrace and decided we should find our seats before 
    finding food and drink.  
    
    Well, my first west o' the mississippi show started to dawn on me as I
    looked around at all the folks gathered around in general happiness. 
    What struck me was how quite it was, even before the show started! 
    People were content to just lying down on their blankets and staring up
    into the sky, or closing their eyes to watch the movies on their inner
    eyelids... This surrounding had quite a relaxing effect on me as a
    result.  We tiptoed and tap danced through the crowd to arrive at the
    taper's pit (very loosely defined as that area in the terrace where the
    greatest density of 10+ft metal poles w/ synthetic ears at their tops
    were to be found).  And there we connected with GerG, Tim Dalton, and
    T!ng & Randy, as well as other netheads and tapers I had not yet met.
    
    Well it was nice to meet T1ng who proceeded to immediately sticker me
    with this strange NTTH peace sign thingy with two hearts on it, any of
    you ever seen this before?
    
    Then quickly settled after getting some hot dogs and soda...
    
    Before I get netscrewed again, let me enter this and come back for the
    show review...
    
    Tree  
23.570CSLALL::HENDERSONgohangasalamiimalasagnahogThu Dec 17 1992 12:4610


 so, did Jerry sing "50 years upon my head" during Ship of Fools?  if I'm not
mistaken this is the first time they've done the tune since his 50th bday.




Jum
23.571JURAN::DCLARKcherish well your thoughtsThu Dec 17 1992 17:193
    re .569
    
    nice story, Tree. You write pretty well for a manager :-) :-)
23.57250 years?ESGWST::MIRASSOUWe're gonna need another Timmy!Thu Dec 17 1992 21:159
    RE: .570
    
    To be honest, I don't know about the "50 years upon my head" during
    Ship of Fools.  I don't always listen to the lyrics that closely,
    and didn't notice.
    
    I know t!ng was at the show, maybe she'd know.
    
    j
23.573TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Dec 18 1992 12:266
    
    I think he sang 50 years once before, a few weeks or so before he
    turned 50.  I remember seeing someone's notation that way on a setlist
    anyway.
    
    
23.574TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Feb 22 1993 12:387
    re: last night:
    
    Lazy River is a new Garcia ballad
    Eternity is a Weir song that he played with Wasserman last summer
    Liberty is a new Garcia song that appears on a Hunter album

23.575MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereMon Feb 22 1993 16:1510

someone on rec.music.gdead referred to Bobby's new song Eternity as
"Let's Make Love in a vat of Cheese" in his setlist.  Someone else 
equated Bobby with Frank Sinatra.  ;^)

I know I am psyched, now I can scream "Oooo Bobby" and "Oh Frankie" 
simultaneously.  :-) :-)


23.576CXDOCS::BARNESMon Feb 22 1993 17:444
    are all new bobby songs about cheese?? Velveta and now Love in a vat of
    Cheese?? maybe he needs some new inspiration other than cheese-whiz!
    
    rfb
23.577RAISE::GLADUTue Feb 23 1993 11:581
    Everyone knows that *nobody* is cheezier than Bobby. :-)
23.578SSGV02::GPEACE::Strobelexpecting something witty?Tue Feb 23 1993 16:293
Guda one! Edam I wish I'd been sharp enough to munster up that thought ;-0

jeff
23.579Hey, Jeff started it!!!!DRINKS::WEISSBeer -- It does a body good.Tue Feb 23 1993 16:513
All this mindless chedder is really getting to me....

Dave
23.58011SRUS::MARKWaltzing with BearsTue Feb 23 1993 18:134
	Hey!  We'd better tread caerphilly, or Phyllis is gonna try to start
boursin us around again.

Mark (Waltzing with Camembert?)
23.581Good show, Mark! :-)DRINKS::WEISSBeer -- It does a body good.Wed Feb 24 1993 12:047
> Mark (Waltzing with Camembert?)

Nice one!  I was trying to think of a way to use Camembert, but I couldn't!

:-)

Dave
23.582ROADKL::INGALLScastles made of sandWed Feb 24 1993 14:554
Who's the guy that played with the boyz at Mardi Gras???

Glennnn
23.583RAISE::GLADUWed Feb 24 1993 15:052
    He's a jazz musician that Jerry recorded an album with a couple 
    of years ago.
23.584no cheese hereMR4MI2::REHILLYour name here - call 297-5269Thu Mar 04 1993 17:523
    
    Ornette Coleman, but he has nothing to do with cheese.
    
23.585CSCMA::M_PECKARQuestion realityFri Mar 12 1993 12:002
Flibberty Jib?
23.586LANDO::HAPGOODFri Mar 12 1993 12:1512
>Flibberty Jib?

I never heard this one but this guy can spin some wild yarns.  All his
stuff is being rereleased (stuff from 50/60's) on Rhino.  He's got some
new stuff as well but I don't know much about it...

He does "word jazz" in a silky smooth, made for radio, voice.  

Somewhere I read that Jerry accompanies him in the background on a tune
on a recent record but don't know much about his recent stuff.

bobo
23.587TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Mar 12 1993 12:284
    
    how do you make an upside down question mark??
    
    
23.588NRSTA2::CLARKTV Guide's not safe anymore.Fri Mar 12 1993 12:355
>    how do you make an upside down question mark??
    
Compose Character key followed by two question marks.

- dc
23.589TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Mar 12 1993 12:524
    
    doesn't work on my 3100. :-(
    
    
23.590NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Mar 12 1993 12:543
You have to stand on your head.

tim
23.591TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Mar 12 1993 12:564
    
    Oh!  Now it works.  :-)
    
    
23.592GNPIKE::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Mar 12 1993 13:3212
23.593TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Mar 12 1993 13:465
    
    still doesn't work for me, although the compose light does go on that
    way.
    
    
23.594gold 191 gold 3CSCMA::M_PECKARQuestion realityFri Mar 12 1993 14:0331
23.595what joyROCK::CAMPR::FROMMNothing's worth nothing, but it's free.Fri Mar 12 1993 14:565
23.596TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Mar 12 1993 15:247
    
    no fair!
    
    thanks for the other info, fog.. I'll try it some time when I'm feeling
    technical. :-)
    
    
23.597NRSTA2::CLARKTV Guide's not safe anymore.Fri Mar 12 1993 16:042
Or you could just extract Fog's note and pull characters from it when
you need them.  :^)
23.598no fair...BINKLY::DEMARSEJust say NO to hummus!Fri Mar 12 1993 16:382
    It doesn't work on mine either :(  I think I have the same station 
    as yours, Phyllis..it's a Vaxstation 3100 M76.....
23.5993100 m76 (Fog picked it out for me too)SLOHAN::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithFri Mar 12 1993 16:556
23.600and we'll call this movie, Devout Catylyst....SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyFri Mar 12 1993 17:099
    Ahemmm.  Flibberty Jib, if such a named piece exists, was broadcast a 
    few years back during a NYE show, probably 90-91.  Basically Ken
    Nordine giving a speil and the word's 'flibberty jib' were part of
    one characters chant, or something like that.  Garcia and perhaps Dave
    Grisman played some neat background stuff. So does any one know
    if this was really 'Flibberty Jib', or just some other "Word Jazz"?
    
    PeterT
     
23.601digression alert!!!!ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Fri Mar 12 1993 18:427
    word jazz is so cool...  i met a guy at a party in arlington who does
    word jazz...  wish i could remember his name...  one of the things he
    does is he picks a topic and then runs through the alphabet with a
    steam_of_consciousness kind of thing...  it's amazing how he could run
    from a to z so fast and have it makes sense!
    
    					da ve
23.602TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Mar 15 1993 12:269
    
    {{{beams}}} to all the DECheads who headed out to the Richfield shows.
    I'm sure most of us know by now that Saturday was cancelled due to
    snow.  I'm sure you all had fun hotel parties anyway!
    
    What I don't know is if they played last night?  I think yes.. but I've
    seen no setlist.  Anybody back yet??
    
    
23.603LANDO::HAPGOODMon Mar 15 1993 12:416
Well not having heard what was on the tapes of the show I can't vouch for
"is it 'Fliberty Jib' or not" but 'Fliberty Jib' is indeed a recorded piece
and is on either "Word Jazz" or "Son of Word Jazz"....

bob

23.604EBBV03::SMITHThink showMon Mar 15 1993 12:493
	Isn't Fibberty Jibbet that little charecter in the 
	childrens book that loses his keys????
23.605GOOROO::DCLARKspare a bone, Chief?Mon Mar 15 1993 13:515
    Flibberty Jib is what the stranger says when he comes to town and
    calls all the impressionable youth of the the town down to the 
    auditorium to take part in his stranger heathen bebop ritual.
    
    It's on a CD I have called Son of Word Jazz
23.606BUSY::IRZALongDistanceRunner,WhatYouHoldingOutFor?Mon Mar 15 1993 13:548
    
          who sang "i fought the law"?
    
          warren zevon wrote this, no? 
    
                                ^dave
    
    
23.607i fought the lawKNGBUD::KUPIECMon Mar 15 1993 14:004
    The Bobby Fuller Four sang I fought the law, well be fore warren zevon.
    I don't have any idea who wrote though!
    
    Chris
23.608ROADKL::INGALLScastles made of sandMon Mar 15 1993 14:049

          who sang "i fought the law"?
    
i think it's before warren's time - like buddy holly maybe    
    
I think it was on one of my mom's records.... ;^)

Glennnn-who-could be wrong....
23.609KALI::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Mar 15 1993 15:423
What's "The Days Between"?  Is that a new song?

adam
23.610 :^) BUSY::IRZALongDistanceRunner,WhatYouHoldingOutFor?Mon Mar 15 1993 15:465
    
    
       well, actually i meant who sang "i fought the law" last night ;^)
    
                                                          ^dave
23.611I remember that story..MISERY::VASQUEZ_JEMon Mar 15 1993 15:4714
    >>	Isn't Fibberty Jibbet that little charecter in the 
    >>	childrens book that loses his keys????
    
    
    Flibbery Jibbet was a character in one of my favorite childhood book,
    Flibberty Jibbet and the Kiwi Bird.  I remember NONE of the details of
    the story other that what you mentioned above.
    
    A few years ago, I tried to find this book for my kids and was told
    that it was a promotional item from the Kiwi shoe polish company and
    had been out of print for years.  If anyone has a copy I'd love to hear
    about it.... even if you only read it to me one more time!
    
    -jer	
23.612pay attention, dammit! :-)RAISE::GLADUMon Mar 15 1993 16:135
re: Note 23.609 by KALI::SIEGEL 
    
>What's "The Days Between"?  Is that a new song?

    Yep. posted the lyrics in note 32 last week
23.613TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Mar 15 1993 18:554
    
    Jerry sang the encore last night.
    
    
23.614And the Law(of nature) Won!BINKLY::CEPARSKIDust Off Those Rusty StringsTue Mar 16 1993 20:5113
    
    
    Just got in from Richfield. Incredible time. First time a show's been
    cancelled due to the weather in 19 years. Pretty disappointing - but
    the hotel party more than made up for lost time %^)  Excellent show
    Sunday! "I Fought the Law" is a must see. Jerr definitely enjoyed
    playing it as he grinned from ear to ear through the whole song and
    even did a little dance(as much as Jerr dances that is). The band was
    tight and sounded very good all nite long. "I Fought the Law" is a
    Buddy Holly tune I believe. 
    
    		Remaining part of the tour looks promising.    -jeff
    
23.615MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereThu Mar 18 1993 21:0378
okeydokey - I am back and ready to give an Ohio review!!  This review starts
*before* the show though!!!

Welcome to Spring Tour during the "Blizzard of 1993"!!!!  And I thought it was
ridiculous to bring along my snow boots......

Dave and I decided last minute to drive to Ohio Friday night (we were going
from Buffalo about 4 hours away).  When we woke up Saturday there wasn't much
snow in Ohio but apparently alot in Buffalo so it was a good call. After being
woken up by the maid at 10, we walked across the lot to the 24 hour diner
(Yeah!  I can just taste those pancakes after the show!!! :-) had brunch and
then went back to sleep.  We woke up and started the celebration with a search
for the tickets that didn't find then until 5 minutes *after* we were sure we
had left them in Buffalo ... I don't think there has ever been that much tension
between us.  It was so built up once we found the tickets that we were both
speechless ... for two minutes until we heard the radio announcement that told
us the show was canceled.  ;^(  Talk about all kinds of emotions just building!
We bolted out of the room in different directions looking for confirmation, or
more likely someone to tell us it was a joke.  It wasn't and even though I
chose not to accept it until showtime I started planning the party with all the
other heads. :-) 

And what a party is was ... all over town there were heads snowbound in hotels
with hundreds of other heads.  Imagine it ...  I know you can!!  :-)  In our
hotel we had Veggie Burrito vendors, tapers and plenty of MidWest and Canadian
heads - not to mention the 24 hour diner!  It was a blast and we made some 
good friends.  The town was quite pleasant also - we heard stories of cops
rescuing heads from microbuses on the side of the road and getting them hotel
rooms at the Ramada.  I personally became buddies with the owner of the local
liquor store :-)

There were plenty of rumors flying about why the shows were canceled, when and
how our tickets would be honored.  Some of them pretty ridiculous to tell you
the truth. I joked that the reason was simply that the town was scared to see
thousands of deadheads driving to and from a show in a blizzard and I am not
sure that is far off the mark. Especially after what I saw getting in the
next day!

So we woke Sunday much more beat than a show would have made us and trekked to
the Colisseum with many of our new friends.  What a mess!!  Good thing we
left at 4 because we parked by 7:00.  Trouble is at least one gate was still
snowed in ... it would have definitely been a mess to hold the show the night
before - we may never have gotten out!

as for the show itself?  Well sorry to say it was pretty disappointing from 
where I sat.  I realize alot of people loved it - that always happens ... but
personally I didn't see much energy from the boys.  It almost felt like a
throw away ... I mean come on - at least give us some energy during the
Cold Rain opener, we all knew it was coming!!  Jerry's new tune - Lazy River
Road has potential .. more folky that GD songs, I liked it.  And the best
part of the show was to see Jerry *dancing* yes, we have joked before but this
time both knees bent and his feet moved, alot!!!  There was a note in the DDN
about Jerry being in love again and to watch for a "spring" in his step.  :-)
Bobby's new song Eternity IS cheesy .. sorry.  I will admit when I like a
Bobby song, and do admit to liking Corrina from the first time I heard it
but Eternity belongs as background music for a sexy cologne.

Second set opener - Touch of Grey and Jerry forgot 3/4 of the words.  ;^/ Sorry
to be so down folks but they just didn't grab me with a Touch opener where he
forgot the words - even Sampson didn't grab me as it usually does, it felt a
little slow.  I was relieved to hear a sweet Stella Blue - there was the smile
I was waiting for!  :-)  There is *always* some good.  The encore was a riot -
it sounded good.  We wondered if it meant the boys wanted to play Saturday and
the law wouldn't let them?? 

Oh well, nonetheless Richfield and the "Spring" tour is over for me.  I am not
sad about that though .... it was actually a rather hard lesson that I learned.
The scene is consistently fun, but the shows aren't consistently good.  And if
you are traveling to catch a great show where is the justification if you know
very well (as I did) that there was a good chance you weren't going to get it?
That is backwards from my reasons for catching a tour ... or at least I thought
it was.  Time to reassess my reasons for touring I guess.  :-)   And I will,
this summer. However I must say that the scene last weekend was a blast and
enough to keep me going through to summer tour when I hope the boys can again
Wow me.  Until then I'll smile to tapes and Slipknot shows ... ;^) 

Lisa
23.616CXDOCS::BARNESFri Mar 19 1993 14:474
    good and interesting review!! been waitin for some! 
    your time reminds me of the holi-dead inn at mchichols shows in denver.
    
    rfb
23.617CXDOCS::BARNESMon Mar 22 1993 13:463
    so All Over Now in Atlanta was All over Now, Baby Blue or really was
    Used to Love her???
    rfb
23.618CSCMA::M_PECKARQuestion realityMon Mar 22 1993 14:084
Liberty twice in two shows (encore Saturday, end of first Sunday)?


23.619CXDOCS::BARNESMon Mar 22 1993 14:104
    saw that too....wondered if they need the practice that bad on that
    song, or was it a typo?? %^)
    
    rfb
23.620CSCMA::M_PECKARQuestion realityMon Mar 22 1993 14:376
>Liberty twice in two shows (encore Saturday, end of first Sunday)?

Yes, this has been confirmed.  Its unusual, but not rare that a song is 
repeated two shows in a row. More common in the early days, though.

23.621ZENDIA::FERGUSONI got ramblin' on my mindMon Mar 22 1993 16:389
re            <<< Note 23.620 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "Question reality" >>>


>Yes, this has been confirmed.  Its unusual, but not rare that a song is 
>repeated two shows in a row. More common in the early days, though.

this happened during last summer's tour as well:  I heard Long Long Long way
to Go Home twice in a row!  i was surprised!

23.622shudder...KOBAL::MROGERSMake it so...Mon Mar 22 1993 16:476
    >>Yes, this has been confirmed.  Its unusual, but not rare that a song
    is
    >>repeated two shows in a row. More common in the early days, though.
    
    And let's not forget (I wish I could) the back to back Black Peters
    at Worcester in '88...
23.623ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Mon Mar 22 1993 17:342
    yeah, that's the one that came immediately to my mind...  :^)
    
23.624Fun with Deadbase...CSCMA::M_PECKARQuestion realityMon Mar 22 1993 17:507
There were 16 Sampson's in a row starting 9-27-76 _and_ 06-04-76.

There were 30 Estimated's in a row starting 4-26-77

There were 18 El Paso's in a row starting 2-22-73...

23.625rasping_JerryMKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRa blinding flash o'the obviousMon Mar 22 1993 18:4212
    
    RE: .622, .623
    
    acck.  that's the tour when Jerry's voice totally died in MD i guess
    and they still had 3 Hartford and then 3 worcester to go.  When he
    began to sing on that. first night in hartford, everyone in the
    audience seemed to simply cringe...'oh no, Jerry, what have you done?
    don't do it anymore.'
    
    Bobby did a supah Memphis Bluez that nite!
    
    
23.626AKOCOA::DMITCHELLNever could read no road mapMon Mar 22 1993 19:028
    
    re.625 memphis blues
    
    jerry backed up one verse: "like a fool I mixed 'em"    hmmmm...
    
    Don
    
    
23.627Fun with Fog ;-)GNPIKE::HANNANBeyond description...Mon Mar 22 1993 19:3612
re:            <<< Note 23.624 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "Question reality" >>>
>                           -< Fun with Deadbase... >-
> There were 16 Sampson's in a row starting 9-27-76 _and_ 06-04-76.
> There were 30 Estimated's in a row starting 4-26-77
> There were 18 El Paso's in a row starting 2-22-73...

In a row ???  One right after the other ?   Man, what lame shows
they must have been.  People must've been bummed to go to 2-22-73 and
hear El Paso 18 times in a row!  

Ken

23.628MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRa blinding flash o'the obviousTue Mar 23 1993 11:408
    
    re: .626
    
    >jerry backed up one verse: "like a fool I mixed 'em"  hmmmm...
    excellent!  I didn't realize that.  how much self abuse can a body
    take?
    
    c
23.629SPOCK::IRONSThu Mar 25 1993 16:082
    Ah but those worcester 88 shows were hot instrumentally.  Guess Jerry
    makes up for his croaking.
23.630spring tour '93: shows #32-35 for meZENDIA::FERGUSONOn tour is where I wanna beTue Mar 30 1993 00:02178
Well, DC and I are back from being on tour.  Facing reality is not
fun at this point!  I can't believe i'm even doing this now.... 

lemme see: 1,627 miles total;  no car troubles;  no involvement with
cops;  lots of speed limit breaking!  so, here's my review.  let me just
say that I had a _great_ time and really wish i was going tonight, but, on the
other hand, my body is reaching the saturation point!

funny thing with going to shows.  at first, i sort of dread it, espec. when
you have 730 miles of driving to do... just makes for a loooong tiring
trip.  then the first show comes.  i say to myself, "why am I doing this?
seems like such a waste!" ... then, the 2nd show comes and i don't ask
myself anything.  then, the 3rd show comes and I know why I do it.  after
that, i can pretty much go forever!!  but, alas, work duties call...
such a good time!

the weather was fairly lame for the entire trip, except for Sat which
was beautiful.  lots of overcast; on weds it was quite humid in NC.  some
rain;  today it rained hard all day;  

The dean dome is a pretty cool venue.  it holds approx. 22k people.  seats
are small, so, people are really packed in there.  the floor section is
_wicked_ small - if you had a floor seat, it was like winning the lottery.
I estimate that no more then 500 seats on the floor!!  we didn't have
floor seats :-(.  The UNC campus is huge - lots of walking around.  the lots
did not officially open until 5pm, so, therew were droves of 'heads hanging
around until lot opening time.  lots of traffic tie-ups, etc.  pretty
dumb of them to not have the lots open earlier.  we were hangin' in this
one lot illegally and a UNC cop came by and told us to leave... then he
said he knew of another lot where we could kick back w/o hassle.  he said
to lots of heads there, all parking illegally, "I'm gonna turn around
down there and come back up.  Just follow me and i'll bring you to the lot."
So, as DC and I were cruising behind the cop-car, we had these visions of
being led to the jail with ATF agents ready to search and seize everything!
It ended up being a cool place to hang...  sure wish all cops had this
guy's attitude!  we ended up partying w/ these 2 guys from CA and CO who
were t-shirt vendors.  one guy was a total nitrious head!  that guy's brain
was toast after about 5-6 of those ballons!!  the other guy, who was more
serious, didn't partake in as much... we ended up seeing him in NY both
nights... (tour buddy!).

vending was pretty mellow in NC when compared to albany.  the NC
vendor-cops seemed to make their rounds... also, they were hassling some
folks w/ open beer containers, etc...  the vending this year at albany
was simply POWERFUL!   I think it was the most active vending scene i've
ever checked out -- saturday at albany was noticibly more happening then
sunday... even after the show, vending was still cranking!!!  lots of local
merchants were selling their stuff too...  lots of Gyro vendors!!  and yes,
they were good!  :-)  tons and tons and tons of people selling beer in
albany... not so much in NC.  $1 molsons, $2 "good" beers - whitbread, sam
adams, fosters, etc,etc,etc.  we even saw someone selling 2 for $1 -- 
Millwaulkee's Best!!  yuk!  :-)  cops did not seem to care about brew
vendors.

drug/partying... well, NC was more relaxed then NY;  the number of people
drinking in NC was relatively low in comparision to NY, perhaps this was
the reason.  in NC, folks were being pretty discrete, where as in NY, people
were drinking, doing bowls/bones, etc. without worrying!  just about NO ONE
was vending doses/shrooms.  the flyer the dead sent around in the MO tickets
must have had an impact - LSD vendors getting 10 yrs!!  ouch!  one guy in
albany did get busted w/ something like 1200 hits of LSD.  as a result, not
many dose-heads at the shows... espec. in NC - maybe a handful there - 
also, nitrious is gaining increasing popularity.  there was a nitrous
guy in albany that had one of those huge 5' tanks.  he had a queue of people
behind him 50 deep!!!!!  i could not believe it... and, at $5 /balloon,
he was _raking_ in the dough!!!!!  i heard that he had to shutdown 'cuz
of the attention that was being drawn to him....  he had that tank pumping
nitrious non-stop !!!

people in NC are quite a bit nicer then folks at the NY shows.  manyt times
at the NY shows I got plowed/shoved to make way for some 'head in a hurry
to somewhere.  In NC, folks were very nice - always saying sorry for stepping
on you, etc.  NO PUSHING whatsoever in NC... kind of nice to have a relaxed
atmosphere vs. the "high-stress" atmosphere typically found in Northeast
showz.

well, that's all the scene-related stuff.... here's a quick review of 
each night.  Generally, i thought the showz in NY were better then NC:
more energy mostly - which, IMO, makes or breaks a show.  it has been
said that the loud NY crowd really gets the boyz pumped - i think the Sat
show was a testiment to this.  For the most part, Bob seemed very low
on energy for all shows... don't know why as he is usually the one who had
the most energy.  jerry definitely is MUCH more energetic then last yr, and
Vinny, well, I jus wish the boyz would let him Jam more often!  It almost
seems as if the band can't keep up w/ jerry right now, or, perhaps, the
band is re-adjusting to a revived jerry who is capable of putting out a
bit more then last year.  


>   Wed. 24 March, 1993
>   Dean Dome, UNC, Chapel Hill, NC

Jack Straw was pretty mild - the boyz failed to get the "pump" going for
the "Jack Straw from Wichita cut his buddy down" line... just wasn't delivered
with authority..  also, let it grow failed to materialise.  a sleeper
first set, IMO.

HCS and LSD were AWESOME!  I thought they'd plod through these, but, i was
surprised, espec. w/ HCS.  LSD was really nice for an encore... they have it
down well.  Playin' was beat, the jam failed to produce anything decent and
it remained mostly flat... i could hear jerry pullin' for crazy but phil 
some how got in there w/ box, then came crazy.  the 2nd set just failed to
get going until going down the road, while, FINALLY, they let Vinny jam.
Vinny got the audience wound up, then jerry played off this and got the
crowd crankin' as well.  TS->NFA was typical.


>Dean Dome, UNC, Chapel Hill, NC    Thur. 3/25/93

Sleeper first set until Eternity/Liberty.  So Many Rds and LRR are very slow
songs, however, SMRs tends to gain momentum at the end.  Eternity, IMO, is
a pretty cool song.  Very good jamming potential here, WATCH for it!  Liberty
is also cool.  Greatest story never got red hot...  

2nd set was much better.  the std c->r is a never fail aud. pleaser.  MS,WS
didn't light the place on fire, wave to the wind is not a good tune, IMO.
Terrapin was nice.  Way to go home was very good, always nice to heard
vinny's powerful vocals.  Other one failed to get really rolling.  The dew
was good, people were fairly quiet during it.
    
>    Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY 
>    Sat. 3/27

Very good show!!!!!!!!!!!!  Cassidy could have had a better jam, but, otherwise
it was ok.  Loose lucy was excellent, as was KC jones.  lots of jamming in
KC jones by jerry. 

In the 2nd, Eyes was good... esto was good, Come a Time was really cool,
although it is not a good song for the N.E. crowd 'cus they're loud and
insist on yelling during the quietest moments!  Corrina is a good tune!
I haven't heard it much, what I have heard, I do like.  Watchtower was
*scorching* !  jerry took the jam a couple more 'rounds then normal each
time trying to bring it higher.  I fought the law, the encore, was GREAT!
but short...  i think the boyz could definitely add to this one.

>    source: An extremely discombobulated Andyburns... :-)
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	hmm, somehow, i don't find this hard to believe!  :-) ;-)

>    Sun. 3/28
 
The first set was a real sleeper until Dead kicked in.  it just never seemed
to gain any momentum until deal.  masterpiece tried, but just couldn't stand.
eternity, was decent, and the jam there was very cool - like i said before,
lots of great jammin potential in this tune ala Cassidy.

AH! YES!  A very HOT s->f ... I was waiting for this one!!!  fairly long,
and lots of jerry_jamming.  Sampson was ok, they would have really revved
the Knick up if they did an Iko after sampson, instead, ship of fools, which
was mellow.  Wave...ah, no comment.  Truckin' was good; they nearly botched
the beginning.  After Wave, Phil was _totally_ charged!!!  for a minute, i
though he was gonna sing truckin as he was coming through more then bobby.
And man!!! was he dropping the bombs!!  i almost thought they were gonna
go right into Other One out of that trucking the way Phil was climbing the
bass scales..  he was goin' nuts!  drums/space was standard.  long way out of
space was alright, not as good that the one we saw in NC.  Attics was
touching - I had to tell some noisey kids to mellow out several times.  people
just don't get the picture sometimes!!!  Lovelight was alright.  they changed
it a bit, but not too much.  Heaven'\s door was played _soooo_ slow that i
thought it was gonna stop!!!  

----

Ok, so, maybe lots of you don't agree w/ me, which is fine...  these reviews
are totally IMO, and you have to remember there are a lot of variables: seating
location, venue location, asshole factor, mind_state, etc...  decent shows,
but, still not up to the level of the brent days in spring '90.  maybe i've
had too much blues/ronnie pounded in my head between shows, so i expect more
energy in the showz.  maybe not.  who knows.

In the end, this trip was an EXCELLENT break from reality !!!!!!!!!!!!
much needed!!!!


looking fwd to the summer tour!

	jc
23.631Energy level definately lower than days gone byCAMONE::HURLBURTTue Mar 30 1993 13:2620
re JC

JC, I tend to agree with you about the energy level.  I only made it to one 
show (Sat. Albany) and I it just didn't do it for me like it used to.  And you
say this was one of the more high energy shows!  Jerry did jam out a couple of
times, but it just seems like the jams are *way* too short!  Maybe it's like
the snow thing, "I remember when it snowed...", but, I *do* think they used to
jam a lot more and on a lot more songs.  It seems as though there's only a 
couple of (really predictable) songs where they do jam now.

Oh well, it was nice to see a show but I think my dead show days are close to
done.

chuck

BTW JC, tix for Phish at UHA went on sale Saturday while you were gone.  I 
remember you mentioning you might be interested, with UHA being your alma 
mattar.  I think my wife went there about the same time you did, I think she 
graduated it '86.  She was in computer engineering and took a bunch of computer
science courses.
23.632EBBV03::SMITHThe sun is getting highTue Mar 30 1993 13:4314

	Oooooooohhh Freedom

	Liberty!!!!

	I like that song!!!!! Just wish I could get it
	outta my head dammit!!!! 

	Last nights show was great....as was Sundays....
	don't know which I liked better.


		
23.633We got to see a show:-)SALES::GKELLERKeep passing the open windowsTue Mar 30 1993 14:2323
Well, we got to catch one show anyway.  Pam and I were at last night's show 
and it was nice.

I was kind of disappointed during the first set.  Not with the playing, it 
looked like it was great.  Our seats were in section 205 N (for nosebleed) 
and the sound INHALED.  We couldn't hear any keys barely any drums and 
worst of all no Phil.  It was one of the trippiest sensations I've ever had 
and I didn't need any chemicals.  It was like looking through a window at a 
really hot show.  We could see them jamming on stage and see the crowd 
going nuts on the lower level but the energy never made it to our seats.  
real nice tune selection though and like I said it looked like it was 
played incredibly well.

Second set was much better, we found a seat in section 101 (Thanks PanPam), 
so we could hear alot better. Phil really was at the show after all and not 
just a holographic image:-).  Nice song selection, I too like liberty even 
though I couldn't understand most of the words.  The Knick, seems to eat up 
sound toward the back of the arena.

Well, that's it for now, got to clear the cobwebs left from that long foggy 
ride through VT.

Geoff
23.634more of a trip report then a show report...SLOHAN::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithTue Mar 30 1993 17:11102
	Amazing what watching McGyver can do to your mind !

	Well all things seemed to be like any other day, except that 
	we were about to embark on a trip of unreal set backs and triumphs.


	We all meet at our house, we have some pasta and head out the door !
	1st stop fill the tank with gas and hit the package store. well so
	far so good, we have everything we need and we are Albany bound.
	Well after going to about the half way point (the last rest stop on
	the Mass Pike that has food) we stopped for a quick leg stretch
	and other things.....so I shut the car off.....I bet you can guess
	what happens next !

	It Will Not Start.

	OKOKOK, don't freak, let look at whats happening and not happening
	happening - we're gonna miss the show !
	not happening - the car will not start !

	OK, we got that clear in our minds.....

	so after a brief trouble shooting meeting with all, I feel we have
	an electric problem, because we have no idiot light ! but we got
	a key left in the ignition buzzer, the hazards don't work but the
	turn signals and lights work, wipers & fan will not work but the 
	radio does.....OK, something is broken....WHAT !

	OK, I go call my Dad, hey thats what their there for right !
	tell him the whole story and he agrees, something is broken !
	OK, I call a car dealer friend, he is not there....so I call a 
	friend who has worked on my car a lot :') and I get a hold of him.
	I tell him the story, and he pin-points the problem ! Whoa, he hit
	it right on the head ! I small section of wire that runs from the
	Battery to the starter has become disconnected (fell apart).
	Well as all problems with cars this problem is located in the most
	unreachable spot in the whole engine areas design (just once I'd
	like to take a car design and ...... never mind they breed, so I can
	never solve that problem.....) I jack the car up and swim under the
	car ! OH yeah, it always pours the hardest when you have to do 
	Mickey mouse repairs on the mass pike in the most remote
	section.....alright I see the wire Tom (he's my buddy) was talking
	about, so I reach up to see if its some how disconnected, yeah I'd say
	so as it falls to the ground....OK so I fix this with a piece of wire
	and some tape ! cool we just might make the show, even Hill St !
	But 1st I need a wire.....well I just happened to be fresh out of 
	this type of wire ! and the gas station only has fuses and rolling
	papers....WHERE THE HELL DO I GET A WIRE ! hey I won't need these 
	high-beams now will I ! nope ! so I snip out a section about 6" long.
	I swim back under the car and wrap one end of the wire to the hot end !
	ZAP ! ooo that smarts, OK I call to Jen to get in the car and when
	(and if) she sees the idiot lights come on (I told her to put the key
	in the running position, no wonder I got ZAPPED !) start the car !
	Well I touch the wires together as I lie in a river no smaller then the
	Mississippi and sure as sh!t Jen sees the idiot lights come on and she
	starts the car !

	Good enough for me ! we quickly throw all the stuff into the car
	and off we go to Albany !


	Hey it ain't over yet !


	well we make the NY boarder and I notice the radio was kinda dragging
	a bit, bad tape maybe ? nope more like no power !

	RATS ! I need to have the wire completely connected....I was not about
	fix it while I lay in a wet parking lot, and figured we could get there
	and figure out what to do next.....

	We get to the Knick parking lot (the indoor one) and find a nice level
	spot to park, we get out and lock up the car that will not start anyway
	and off to Hill St. we go.....We meet up with Phyllis,Tim G., Geoff S.,
	Debess & Gaunter (sp?), and Deano....I think thats it, well we tell
	them all the saga and are offered a place to crash until morning
	if we need it !  Such Great Friend, I love you all !

	we figure we go back to the car after the show, hey we're going to a
	Dead show ! I almost forgot !!!....and see what to do....

	- someone fill in the show please here -

	After the show we meet up with Tim (he parked in the same lot as us)
	at Hill St. and we head back to the lot and see what we can do....
	Well I have no flash light or tape....Paul Walker (some of you might
	know Paul from Slipknot shows) has a little pen light, just what I 
	needed as I needed two hands....and Jen goes on a search for tape and 
	comes back with a big roll of duc-tape ! alright I do the Mickey
	Mouse job and I'll be damned ! it WORKED !

	We head off in the foggy night and not once were we every off of what
	we figured we be doing for time....


	What a Trip !

	I'd like to thank all the people that were there for us with support
	and a helping hand and if at least a smiling face....


		Chris
23.635XCUSME::MACINTYRETue Mar 30 1993 18:379
    Sound's like a major headache but I gotta say I am impressed with the
    "under extreme pressure" jury rig.  Incredible.  Don't think I could've
    done it.
    
    Way to go.
    
    
    Marv
    
23.636sometimes I amaze myself.....even my Dad thought so too !SLOHAN::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithTue Mar 30 1993 19:1017
    Ya know I thought about this a bit this morning....if I had not shut
    off the car when I did, I would not have been able to get a hold of my
    Friend Tom who was the key to whole quick fix ! so fate rears its ugly
    head in my favor !!! whoa
    
    I was also happy with the police in the lot too....I told them what I
    was trying to do and they said go for it ! and if ya need any help just
    lets us know....not bad at all.....
    
    and the only thing that is bugging me is I rilly did get under the car
    while it sat on the jack....rillly dumb even with the blocks I used...
    
    so just a word to the wise, Hey Kids don't try this at home, Im a
    crazed nut and well trained in pushing the limit of safty in on the
    road car repair !
    
    Chris
23.637Not the best I've ever seen, but goodGOOROO::DCLARKI do believe I've had enoughWed Mar 31 1993 14:3950
    Well, I went to the saturday and sunday shows, spent monday driving
    home and tuesday getting water out of my cellar :-(.
    
    Saturday's show seemed very low-energy to me. It seemed like everyone
    was just tired from driving to Albany. We lost the rest of the cars 
    in our caravan and spent most of the pre-show time looking for our
    friends, so that probably had some impact on our perception. I really 
    liked all the new songs they did this night. Eyes was very tight, with
    a nice transition into Estimated. Watchtower got some energy going.
    The encore was a nice surprise. All in all a good show, but not all
    that memorable. 
    
    Sunday we had tickets in section 4 on the floor, by the left front
    corner of the soundboard section. So they were mixing it for us :-).
    The difference in sound was incredible compared to saturday night's
    show. Plus I felt like people were into the show; I could feel the
    energy ahead of time. First set was very good. Half-step was good,
    walkin' Blues got me bopping, So Many Roads was great with Jerry
    really getting into singing it. I was close enough to the stage
    that I could see Jerry look out at the crowd after that song with
    a "how about THEM apples" look. High Time was great. Eternity, well,
    if I don't hear it again I won't shed any tears. It seemed like the
    floor crowd kind of stopped dancing during this song. Deal for me
    was the highlight of the trip. There was a very long jam at the 
    end that reached about 4 peaks, each one higher than the previous
    one. I went in the bathroom at set break and it was totally silent,
    like people were stunned by the Deal they had just heard.
    
    Scarlet->Fire was extremely tight and compact. Last years was a lot
    longer and took more time to build; this one was hot from the
    start. Wave to The Wind was kind of cool, the jams reminded me
    of Eyes, very jazzy changes. Drums was amazing from where I sat,
    with the speakers in the back and all. Lovelight was fun, Bobby
    was getting into it and Jerry was looking at him like "look at
    that bozo" in a joking way. Truckin' was hot after a shaky start
    where everyone but Jerry seemed to want to do Other One. Heaven's
    Door was too mellow; it really didn't seem to build to any peaks.
    
    The police in general were very mellow. We were hanging out across
    the street from Hill St. drinking beers with 2 cruisers across the
    street and they didn't bother us at all. People in general seemed
    to be well-behaved and responsible. The monday paper said they
    made 45 arrests from a crowd estimated at 45000 people. Not bad.
    My only complaint is the INCREDIBLE number of people looking for
    tickets. The paper estimated that there were 15000 people looking
    for tickets to sunday night's show. I would believe it based on
    the number of people walking around holding their fingers in the
    air. 
    
    - Dave
23.638NRSTA2::CLARKTV Guide's not safe anymore.Wed Mar 31 1993 15:124
I saw a couple of vending heads selling "Don't Ask Me For Drugs" t-shirts
and pins ... maybe they should have "Don't Ask Me For a Ticket" too ....

- DC
23.639trip reportNAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Mar 31 1993 15:3374
As I mentioned earlier, this was my first show in some
time - Orlando 1991 to be specific.  Travel delays and
a poor choice of routes (Rt. 2 for the scenery) led me to
be late for the Saturday opener.

Arriving at the Knick, we ran into Adam and his lovely
friend Kathy...and I don't think I saw either of them
again all weekend, but there were certainly plenty of
other friends around, which was another pleasant surprise.
I've been going to shows alone for so long, this trip 
really stood out because there were so many other people
there whom I knew...but that's not why I'm writing.

The Saturday show was very pleasant, and mellow for the
most part.  I got a kick out of figuring out which new
tunes were which (Broken Arrow, Corinna, etc...)  I
recognized Corinna from the descriptions in here before
Bobby sang the first lyric.  Dumb song, but I liked the 
jam at the end.

I was impressed with the visuals and the lighting.  It is
apparent that a lot of time, energy and expense has gone
into the visual displays.  There were two banks of lights
set unusually distant from the stage, nearly to the sound
board.  These seemed to be used to light the audience as
much as the stage.  I noticed a general tendency for the 
lights on the audience during Jerry's tunes...perhaps his
preference, I don't know.

Another piece of trivia: I was told by someone that this
was the first "Comes A Time" since two years ago - in 
Orlando.  Karma, perhaps, or just dumb luck...anyone with
a Deadbase out there that can verify this?

Sunday was, to me, the hotest of the three shows.  Unhindered
by the stress of a four hour drive, and after spending a
couple hours at the pre-show Hill St. gathering of the
tribe, it was a terrific night.  Sunday brought some of
the best vocals I've heard in 10 years, in High Time, in
Attics and just in everything they did.  Fine harmonies,
and none of the pathetic croaking of shows I had seen in
the 80's...they were musically tight, vocally right on
the mark, visually stunning and simply rocked the building
to it's foundation with Deal, and later Lovelight.  It may
be that they played more old favorites of mine than on
the other nights that makes this evening stand out, and
seeing lots of friends around before and afterward certainly
made a big difference, but either way this was my favorite
of the three.

Lots more Phil on Sunday, which is always pleasant, and
Drums included a lot of the more 'tribal' sound that 
Mickey's been developing in his solo works...which I
really enjoy.

Monday's rain washed away half of the miracle people, which
I appreciated, and the show was still memorable for me.  
I particularly liked Johnny B. Goode as the first set 
closer - for a few reasons: 1) I like the tune and the 
way they play it, 2) it wasn't Promised Land and 3) It 
wasn't Don't Ease Me In...(which would have been ok, 
but this was way a little less predictable)...

I thought the second set sort of faded by comparison to
the previous night, but it's worth mentioning that all
three of these shows were clearly better quality than
any I've seen in perhaps 10 years, thanks to the quality
of the sound, the visuals, the music and the vocals.
Hell, even Phil sang in key...well, mostly...;-)

Can you tell I had a good time?  Tomorrow, it's off to
Nassau.  I hope I got all that right...;-)

tim
23.640Not a reviewSALEM::MARTIN_SGoldfish don't bounce...Wed Mar 31 1993 16:1416
    
    
    I was at Monday's show. Enjoyed it, especially the vocals. But Bobby's
    guitar was F*CKED UP *all* night. From the first song to the last. Why
    hasn't anyone else mentioned/noticed??? He was screwing with it the whole
    time...I couldn't figure out what it was, but I wasn't dreaming. Maybe
    it was a blown speaker on our side...???? I dunno. But I do know it
    was DEFINITELY f*cked up. I tried not to let it ruin my show, and it
    didn't, but I was bummed.
    
    
    
    I LOVED "Here Comes the Sunshine" :-)
    
    Steve-O
    
23.641QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedWed Mar 31 1993 16:4523
re:   <<< Note 23.639 by NAC::TRAMP::GRADY "Short arms, and deep pockets..." >>>
                                -< trip report >-

> Arriving at the Knick, we ran into Adam and his lovely
> friend Kathy...and I don't think I saw either of them
> again all weekend, but there were certainly plenty of
> other friends around, which was another pleasant surprise.

But I did bump into Karin several times for each of the other shows!

BTW, Kathy loved the show (her first).  She even recognized Broken Arrow since
they play Robbie's version on the top-40 stations she listens to.  I was
impressed!  I was *very* happy to hear Casey Jones, having never heard it.  I
had 4 firsts in that show!

I thought Saturday's show was the best of the three, for me (for several
reasons :-)).  The other 2 just didn't pick me up.  I thought both NC shows
were better than Sunday and Monday.  The first NC show was great!  I like the
Dean Dome!

can't wait for summer tour!

adam
23.642:-)STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Wed Mar 31 1993 16:498
   <<< Note 23.641 by QUIVER::SIEGEL "The revolution wil not be televised" >>>

>I had 4 firsts in that show!

All right, which one of you Goderators blew away the ADAM'S_FIRST_TIME
keyword?

Jamie
23.643I noticed thatSALES::GKELLERKeep passing the open windowsWed Mar 31 1993 16:5417
>        <<< Note 23.640 by SALEM::MARTIN_S "Goldfish don't bounce..." >>>
>                               -< Not a review >-
>
>    I was at Monday's show. Enjoyed it, especially the vocals. But Bobby's
>    guitar was F*CKED UP *all* night. From the first song to the last. Why
>    hasn't anyone else mentioned/noticed??? He was screwing with it the whole
>    time...I couldn't figure out what it was, but I wasn't dreaming. Maybe
>    it was a blown speaker on our side...???? I dunno. But I do know it
>    was DEFINITELY f*cked up. I tried not to let it ruin my show, and it
<    didn't, but I was bummed.



I noticed that also.  I don't think it was a blown speaker though.  I did 
at first but I think it was in one of his boxes, a dead battery maybe?

Geoff
23.644me 3GOOROO::DCLARKI do believe I've had enoughWed Mar 31 1993 17:098
    re: Bobby's guitar
    
    I thought the same thing sunday. He was constantly fiddling with
    knobs, etc. I thought his tone was really harsh and raspy, even
    for sweet songs. I think he needs to bag the rack and the high-tech
    guitars ans go back to Gibson and Mesa.
    
    - DAve
23.645LANDO::HAPGOODWed Mar 31 1993 17:1839
Hey I might as add that I had a GREAT time in Albany.

We got there Saturday midafternoon, hit the Hill Street and then enjoyed
the show.

Sunday it was off to Troy to find a brewpub called Brown and Moran.  They
had some good beer there.  Out of the 6 beers on their beer menu they had
only 3 in stock (and no porter!! :)..........a weiss beer, an oatmeal stout 
and an amber.  I drank the stout, was good too!  Checked out Barnaby's on 
State street that eve because navigating inside the Hill St. was a b*tch 
the day before.  Barnaby's makes a fine pizza and has an EXCELLENT beer
selection (all bottled).

Monday we ended up at the Hill St. too early in the day %^)  Ran in to some
high school chums I hadn't seen since 76 and talked the day away.  Saw a bunch
of DEC people there over the run....hi again!  

The music?  Mostly great!  I liked Monday night best right up to Throwin' 
Stones where I thought it sort of fell apart and didn't really recover.   JB 
Goode was a fine way to close that 1st set.  

As for the other nights;  Never heard "The Same Thing" live before, what
a great tune.  Willie'd be proud.  

All in all I thought it was a great 3 day run.  I got to hear most of the
new tunes I've been reading about.  "I fought the law" plus all the originals.
Missed the Beatles covers....  Harmonies are good and TIGHT like someone 
mentioned earlier.

The show I saw before these was an Albany show the year before due to Boston
cancellations.  

bob

Message for Phil LEsh, 
Phil,  stick to Box and Tom Thumb's for ole times sake ... forget about the
Broken Arrow and the others...Phil sang 3 nights in a row (izzat a 1st??).
ps.  Box is always GREAT.  

23.646BUSY::IRZAwild wild horses we'll ride them somedayWed Mar 31 1993 17:2112
    
         gee, jerry sure had a lot of spittle on the front of his black tee
    after the first set saturday night ;^) i'm now sure that he changes his
    t-shirt after every set. ahhh...the things you key in on with binoc-
    ulars in the thirteenth row. i spent the most time zooming in on
    mickey, he was the most entertaining to watch. seemed like he was
    participating in an ancient island ritual. also noticed he was using
    what looked like a square wooden frame with horizontal spring coils
    (1" diam. or so) and it appeared he was banging his knee into it as
    he was pounding the bass drum. 
    
                                                          ^dave
23.647whoa !SLOHAN::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithWed Mar 31 1993 17:258
    about Broken Arrow
    
    Adam.....I would guess she knows the Rod Steward version not the Robbie
    one...as Robbie's was rilly not a hit single likes Rod babies is :')
    
    	more 1st huh ?
    
    Chris
23.648ZENDIA::FERGUSONOn tour is where I wanna beThu Apr 01 1993 13:327
So adam, are you and Kathy still 'going out' ?  Did the dead scene scare her
away?

deb used to be quite 'scared' of the scene until i finally convinced her
that it is harmless, but, more like, she probably got used to it... she used
to never leave my side, but now, she'll go to the bathroom by herself, etc...
next spring, we may do atlanta-NC-Albany, that is, if they do it!
23.649EBBV03::SMITHThe sun is getting highThu Apr 01 1993 14:2729
	I'd rather sit around a hideous howling hyenna

	as opposed to a
	
	bevy of blabbering bitchers

	I like it when people scream and yell as the band climaxes
	and goes through the rituals, but on Sunday night I sat in 
	front this chump who, by far, exceeded the bitchiness
	of even the most annoying people in my working environment.
	Throughtout the entire show him and his team of ignorant bimbos
	did a fine job of hitting comments like "ooohhh, are we supposed
	to trip out now? giggle giggle" or "this is so stupid", or 
	"oh how gay".  At one point I turned around to take a look, and 
	blutus, who btw was much smaller than myself, said "hey I wasn't 
	talking to you!".   Well, at this point I was about ready to 
	plunge his pubic self off the balcony, but I withheld.

	The point is, that I can't believe that 5 people got shut out
	because of these narrow minded chit chatters.  I hope they 
	will not return to the shows, but fate has it that they probably
	will! ;-)

	Monday night my seats were closer to the stage and I sat around 
	the most pleasureable group I have ever encountered at a Deadshow.  
	These people were dam fun to be around!!!! Made the show!!!!     

			:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)
23.650CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 01 1993 14:283
    I thought WE mighta scared the sh*t outa Deb one December show, JC %^)
    
    rfb
23.651bugged-out!ZENDIA::FERGUSONOn tour is where I wanna beThu Apr 01 1993 15:4713
re                      <<< Note 23.650 by CXDOCS::BARNES >>>

>    I thought WE mighta scared the sh*t outa Deb one December show, JC %^)
 

well, that one mighta had her a little freaked, but, I can understand, espec.
due to certain environmental conditions, or, should I say impearrments   !!


those were totally _fun_ shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



23.652MR4MI2::REHILLYour name here - call 297-5269Thu Apr 01 1993 16:2711
    
    	Jeff Loomis and I were thinking about making up shirts that
    said:
    
    
    			NO I DON'T
    
    	For all the miracle ticket folks.....It can be a hassle just
    walking through them...
    
    
23.653TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu Apr 01 1993 16:325
    
    I want one for the spare change people.  I usually say, "I live in NYC,
    I've been out of spare change for years."
    
    
23.654CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 01 1993 16:368
    personnaly, and I know the boyz frown on it, I enjoy the miracle people!
    Patty was even one once! although we didn't get quite a miracle, we did
    get in the show %^) (Vegas)
    
    spare changers I don't mind either, cause most of 'em look like they
    need it! 
    
    rfb a sucker for the "will work for food" people too...
23.655GOOROO::DCLARKI do believe I've had enoughThu Apr 01 1993 16:383
    there was one spare change guy in Albany that cracked me up. He was
    a black guy who said he was collecting for the "United Negro 
    Marijuana Fund" :-)
23.656CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 01 1993 16:405
    similar in vegas dave, a REALLY scary lookin guy asking for spare
    change for marijuana research...I gave! %^) (as did our whole group!
    it was just TOO funny to pass up at the time)
    
    rfb
23.657ISLNDS::CONNORS_MThu Apr 01 1993 16:5510
    
    On our way to RFK last year a guy was standing on the 
    side of the off-ramp in the traffic with a cup that
    said "spare change for drugs"...  my friend threw him
    some change and he jumped up to catch it and spilled
    his cup (days worth of work) over the guard rail...
    
    Poor guy!  But boy did we laugh our a$$'s off!  ;-)
    
    MJ
23.658QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Apr 01 1993 17:3218
re:      <<< Note 23.647 by SLOHAN::FIELDS "and we'd go Running On Faith" >>>
>                                  -< whoa ! >-
>
>    about Broken Arrow
>    
>    Adam.....I would guess she knows the Rod Steward version not the Robbie
>    one...as Robbie's was rilly not a hit single likes Rod babies is :')

Good point.  You're probably right.  I'll ask her.  When she said she heard it
on the radio (she listens to WZOU and 104.5 whatever that is) I couldn't
believe Robbie would ever end up on such stations.  Rod Stewart I can believe.

>    	more 1st huh ?

Broken Arrow, Casey Jones, Days Between, I Fought the Law.  I never guess I'd
see 4 firsts in a show ever again.

adam
23.659another one rides the busQUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Apr 01 1993 18:2115
re:      <<< Note 23.648 by ZENDIA::FERGUSON "On tour is where I wanna be" >>>

> So adam, are you and Kathy still 'going out' ?  Did the dead scene scare her
> away?

No, on the contrary, she loved it!  She said she liked the music and the
parking lot scene.  I think she even mentioned something about everyone being
friendly.   She regretted not being able to stay for more than one show, and
looks forward to a multi run in the future.  Sat and Sun at Giants looks
promising.  I just hope it doesn't rain!  It seems to rain almost every tour at
Giants.  I told her she was a deadhead now, and she resisted the term, only
because her friends had been teasing her about it!  Ignorant college
students... :-)

adam
23.660CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 01 1993 18:343
    RE:"...and she resisted it..."
    
    so did i, so did i...AND LOOK AT ME NOW!!!!
23.661TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu Apr 01 1993 18:575
    
    well for what it's worth, the most fun I ever had at a Giants Stadium
    show was in a WHOLE lot of rain, so don't be scared off by the weather!
    
    
23.662CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 01 1993 19:042
    ra-aa-aa-aa-aa-ain, i don't mind...
    
23.663STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Thu Apr 01 1993 19:129
    re:   <<< Note 23.661 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "in the shadow of the moon" >>>
    
    >well for what it's worth, the most fun I ever had at a Giants Stadium
    >show was in a WHOLE lot of rain, so don't be scared off by the weather!
    
    I was at that show!  It wasn't the most fun I've ever had, but it was
    memorable.  What a deluge!

    Jamie
23.664ROCK::CAMPR::FROMMGUMBO!!!Thu Apr 01 1993 21:056
re: spare change

had a guy approach us in nyc asking for spare change for psychedelic research;
i think we said something like we were saving for our own studies

- rich
23.665TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Apr 02 1993 14:437
    
    a little update to the Barney Dinosaur story.. someone just told me
    that yesterday was one of Phil's kid's birthdays, and that was actually
    a birthday present, not an April Fools.  Either way, I think he's a
    pretty cool dad. :-)
    
    
23.666Barney-mania!!!SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyFri Apr 02 1993 15:5310
    Barney??!!  My kids would have loved this too!  During our recent 
    trip to the in-laws we brought along 2 Barney tapes to help 
    them relax in the new surroundings.  Then we bought a 3rd because 
    we were getting a bit tired of the other 2.  I have been unable 
    to get Barney songs out of my head for the past week!  I think I 
    need a show bad, but this might have pushed me over the 
    edge!!
    
    ;-)
    PeterT
23.667EBBV03::SMITHThe sun is getting highFri Apr 02 1993 16:078
	My little cousin watches Barney and she absolutley
	loves him....I think he's pretty funny....funny 
	voice!!! 
	
	We want Barney!!!!
	
	Let Barney Sing!!! ;-)
23.668TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu Apr 08 1993 19:0316
    
    Well I'm back..  Nassau was a pretty solid run with Sunday the best by
    far.  Friday was hot too, but took a big nose-dive after the Terrapin.
    I missed Monday due to Passover, but other than the first set closer
    and the Gloria, I heard it was nothing special.
    
    Also - I don't think I saw this in here - Olatunji and a friend or two
    joined in for drumz on Sunday.  I actually found out about it after the
    show as I was in the hall socializing for all of drums and missed them
    completely.  ("So Phyllis, who was that during drumz?"  "huh?")  I
    should've figured he'd be around since he played Wetlands Saturday
    night but I didn't.  Oh well.
    
    Anyway - THE BOYS ARE BACK!!!  :-)  How many days til Vegas??? :-) :-)
    
    
23.669CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 08 1993 19:243
    35 days till Vegas..but who's countin??? %^)
    
    rfb
23.670TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu Apr 08 1993 19:298
    
    btw, the Rads are playing at the Aladdin Friday and Saturday of the
    Vegas run.  Shows are 10:30.  Tickets on sale this Monday.  I think
    Zero is playing with them also.
    
    It's shaping up to be the weekend of the year! :-)
    
    
23.671CXDOCS::BARNESThu Apr 08 1993 19:323
    OUCH!
    
    rfb
23.672Handsome Cabin BoyLANDO::HAPGOODMon Apr 12 1993 13:0130
Here's the setlist from Landover:
	Wed., 3/17/93
	Shakedown, Wang Dang, Lazy River Road, Desolation Road, Ramble On,
	    Eternity, Liberty
	Picasso Moon, Crazy Fingers, Playin' > DARK STAR (1st verse) > D/S >
	    jam (like Mountains of the Moon, but not: same as Philly '90) > 
	    other one > days between > Good Lovin'

	E: Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds!!!

Here's what Gans calls the Jam from above (from his show list he posts):

   17:22    4:40  Blow, Boys, Blow (Sea Songs and Shanties)
                  HANDSOME CABIN BOY

   22:02   29:44  Grateful Dead 3/17/93 Capitol Center, Landover MD
                  HANDSOME CABIN BOY->
                  THE OTHER ONE->
                  DAYS BETWEEN->

So from all of that it appears that "jam" is Handsome Cabin Boy.  So why the 
first bit about sea shanties in Gans' list? :) I dunno,  maybe the Dead's Jam
that night was the melody (no lyrics).  If someone hears this on Gans' show 
could you fill us all in?

bob

ps.  All I can think of is that old Lampoon (I think???) record where they 
have an aging rock star who is changing his musical direction and covering 
old sea shanties and whaling tunes.
23.673f*kingroovin VEGAS 1993CXDOCS::BARNESMon May 17 1993 10:53108
    here we go....AND I CAN"T FIGGER OUT...IS THIS THE END OR BEGGINNNNNINNNNNGGGG
    
    5 -14-93 LOST DOSES 
    
    big tittied women in tie dyes...no,,, that was Skip in the parking lot...
    album coming out soon
    
    rained like a desert rain storm, we set under the lightining seats at
    the top of the stadium. right outside a cop put his hand on his car as
    the bolt hit the transformer above him and knocked him and a dead
    head to the ground...the  head didn't go to the the hospital, didn't
    want to miss the show..the cop did..my nephew who lives there got a free
    GOOD ticket cause of the rain...so what else are they gonna open
    with???
    
    COLD RAIN and SNOW
    Wang Dang
    Lazy river Road
    Quenn Jane
    Ramble on Rose
    BTW
    Liberty
    ----- cold rain was grate!! Jerry sounded grate
    
    Scarlet-->FIRE!!!!! %^)
    long long %^)
    Velveta (actually very good!)
    Uncle Johns-->jam
    short D/S cause of the rain storm
    Mircle
    SOTM
    Sugar MAG %^)
    
    encore: Fought the law (a vegas song fer sure!!!!)
     all in all a good show but the rain put a damper on the energy
    
    --to Enzos for sea food pizza and beers and then to the excalibur to
    throw money away on useless shit and more beers 
    
    5-15-93
    Bought my first ever counterfite tix in the excalibur for my sister who
    lives there...big time bummer...but part of the experiance...so what
    can ya say...
    
    Picasso Moon (ok) 
    Peggy-O (sweeeet)
    same thang
    10-a-c-jed----%^) blew a knee out on this one
    Broken arrow
    Bird song -- yellow brested birds flew over the stadium in the middle
    
    a kid saw  my DECHEAD t-shirt and asked us to call Dale Coy 
    his father (ex-deccie) in Mt vernon Ind.
    and tell him his kid (what's his name??) is OK
    
    HCS!!!!! and the sun did come out!
    Playin-->Crazy Fingers-->Playin   FAN FUC#INTASTIOC!!!!
    -->D/S-->
    watchtower (!!!!!)
    days between
    sat NITE!!!!! 
    
    encore--->LSD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    %^)    %^)     %^)        %^)              %^)                %^)         
    (called this one)
    then what a nite in the parking lot!!!!!!! ballons were flyin
    everywjwee! we lost a few hours somewhere....HUGE VENDING SCENE
    
    
    5-16-93
    
    We saw all of STING this day , only segments previous days and he was
    GRATE!!! he thanked us "for listening"
    
    Touch (we called it, one of the best we've heard)
    Walkin 
    ALTHEA
    MasterPIECE!!!!!!! (also a grate one!)
    ROW JIMMY!!!!!
    CASSIDY!!!!
     (the whole section was flyin this first set)
    
    met the ONLY deccie this day, a TFSO'd head from culvertcity calif
    
    Door # 1 (short intro by Vince
    Adams Family (short)
    SAMPSON!!!!!
    HSF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the first We've heard NOT as a second set
    opener)
    Looks Like Bobby ( and a good one...esp since it DID NOT rain this day)
    TERRIPIN!!!!!!!!!!!
    -->D/s (short, but a real WAAA-WAAA type space)
    The other One !!!( teased all 3 days)
    -->Wharf Rat-->Throwing Stones-->LOVELITE!!!
    
    Encore: BrokeDown (called after they danced our brains into the
    concreate, just to slow us down a little)
    This last days second set made the WHOLE show!!!! WAY TOOO MUCH
    DANCIN!!! we were really amongst the crazies this day
    went way past the 7:30 cut off time
    dropped more than just the rental off and even more on the flight
    
    NEED TAPES!! Our regular taping conection wasn't there this year
    
    and now here we set,, and we can't figger out,,, is this the end or
    beggining?????????????????
    
    rfb, divide dave, hoot 
23.674VEGAS, 1993PEAKS::LAWLORcan't go back ... can't stand stillMon May 17 1993 22:1617

	Got up, fell out of bed
	Dragged a comb across my head
	Found my way downstairs and had a cup
	Looking up, I noticed I was late
	Found my coat and grabbed my hat
	Made the bus in seconds flat 
	( the RFB fourwaysilverbowlfantasy express!!! )
	Went upstairs and had a smoke
	Somebody spoke and I went into a dream
	AAAAAAAAAAHH, AH AH AAAAAHH, AH AH AAAAAAAAAHH, AH AH AAAAAAAAAHH

	Then I felt the THUMP of the airplane touching down at Colorado 
 Springs Municipal early this morning  %^O  
	
 TomL
23.675NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyTue May 18 1993 05:155
And you didn't invite me.

- DC
 
;^}  sounds like Fun!
23.676vegas on ETSLOHAN::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithTue May 18 1993 12:5314
    did anyone see Entertainment Tonight last night ? well they had a
    little blurb from the Vegas shows....not much to do, they talked to
    some heads, Jerry & Sting.....Jerry said he still fears the
    stage/crowd, he worries that he won't please the fans :') (personally
    Jerry can walk out on stage breathing and I'm pleased !) Sting said he
    was having fun.....and the Heads they talked to were two girls that
    were run off the highway on the way there....car was ablazing and
    totaled....but they made the show ! they even had pix of the totaled
    car !.....one head was from Russia....funny thing was a few faces in
    the background looked like people Ive seen and met at shows :') didn't
    see any DEC/nonDEC face I know tho :'(......the music clip was 10AC
    Jed.
    
    Chris
23.677Who was that UN-masked man??BINKLY::CEPARSKISittin' plush with a Royal FlushTue May 18 1993 15:505
    
    Yeah, that was a pretty cool interview w/Jer. Got to see Jer in shorts
    and no glasses at the same time - didn't even recognize him :^)
    
    								-jeff
23.678IFM is back!CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindTue May 18 1993 17:096
Good news for ya, rfb...

There was an internal FM board feed at at least the Sunday Vegas show...

Not too many folk had recievers in the pit, though.
23.679TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonTue May 18 1993 17:5931
    Well, I'm back.  Hope everyone had a blast - I know we did!  

    I didn't think the shows were that great but they had moments.  The 
    second set Saturday was my favorite.  The Here Comes Sunshine was much
    tighter then the one in Albany and Lucy was HOT!!!!!!!!  Sunday looks
    great on paper but with the exception of a spectacular Franklins, the
    playing was pretty awful.  The first set was good from Althea on, but
    the 2nd was a mess.  

    Now the Rads, on the other hand... These boys just took off!!!  I hope
    some of you were there cause these shows were *it*!

    The weather was very intense.  Lightening hit so close one day that we
    actually ducked.  You could even hear the sizzle.  Pretty scary - I
    even felt sort of discombobulated for about an hour afterwards.  I
    think the electricity sort of threw my body out of wack for a while.  I
    had that sort of weird-edgy-tingly feeling you get right before a dose
    takes off - only I hadn't eaten anything.  I actually thought for a few
    minutes that I might've taken a sip of something electric or gotten hit
    with a loaded spray bottle or something but then it started to subside
    and we figured it was the lightening.  After the storm cleared we got
    our reward too - a beautiful double rainbow!

    Only saw one DEChead - MJ!  But I did see Elvis twice. :-)
    
    Anyway - lots of good times were had.  People have been telling me I 
    look like hell all day so I figure I must've had fun.  "If you don't
    feel like shit after a vacation, you didn't party enough!"  No problem
    here.  :-)

23.680CXDOCS::BARNESTue May 18 1993 17:594
    keep yer ears open for me please, fog....sunday 2nd set IFM board feed
    tapes would be manna from heaven for me anda few others I know....
    
    rfb
23.681TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonTue May 18 1993 18:034
    
    My friend Mikey made very clean audience tapes all three nights.  If
    the fm's don't show up, I'm sure I can get a copy for you, rfb.
    
23.682CXDOCS::BARNESTue May 18 1993 18:0311
    re: phyliss .679
    
    havta disagree with ya about Sunday after Franklins (although I DO
    AGREE WITH YA about Franklins) there were screw ups, mostly Jerry if i
    remember right, but there weresome very special MOMENTS TOO!!!! If i
    havta pick the worst show, mighta been Fridays...but you didn't hear me
    say that!!!! %^)
    
    discombobalated? NOT ME!!!! %^) (well, maybe today!)
    
    rfb
23.683CXDOCS::BARNESTue May 18 1993 18:056
    RE: .681
    
    GRATE!!!! Phyliss, I'll keep that in mind, you'll prob. be hearing from
    me anyway...too much of all tapes is just enough....
    
    rfb
23.684\TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonTue May 18 1993 18:078
    
    Glad you had so much fun!!!  NOW SPELL MY NAME RIGHT, DAMMIT!!!  :-)
    
    2 l's, one s.  
    
    Would you believe the Sahara spelled my first name right and blew my
    last name?  :-)  
    
23.685CXDOCS::BARNESTue May 18 1993 18:184
    PHYLLIS, I can't even spell my own name right right now.....sorry, maybe I
    need an acronnym <--(sp) for your name, ya that's it!! %^)
    
    brf, er frb, errrr, rfb
23.686TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonTue May 18 1993 18:274
    
    that's much better, frb, thanks. :-)
    
    
23.687welcome back!NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyTue May 18 1993 18:503
Hey Phyllis, at least he didn't call you Dave.  ;^)

- dc
23.688CXDOCS::BARNESTue May 18 1993 19:163
    that's phyllis'ssss middle name isn't it??? %^)
    
    frb
23.689MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereTue May 18 1993 20:355
> Hey Phyllis, at least he didn't call you Dave.  ;^)

	or even worse ... dc!  :-)

23.690Not-so-lazy-lightningCORA::65447::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastTue May 18 1993 22:3420
I just read in the DAT-heads digestified news that a taper said he ran into
the guy who got struck by lightening:

quote

	forgot to mention that i met the guy that got
	struck by lightning at the Friday show.  he
	was walking in and lighning struck the car
	behind him, catapulting him through the air
	to the asphalt parking lot.  he got backstage
	passes out of it.  Mickey was most curious
	about what it felt like.

unquote

The guy's D7 dat deck survived as well.

Jeeze, the things ya have to do to get a backstage pass these days! 

23.691The Porsche Guy Reviews a Dead ShowNRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyWed May 19 1993 17:03143
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Subject: *LAST* TIME I GO TO A SHOW!
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SECOND, AND POSITIVELY THE *LAST* SHOW I EVER WANT TO SEE
---------------------------------------------------------

By Dale W. Clark a.k.a. "The Porsche Guy", 
			"Tuna Breath", 
			"Yuppie Scum", etc.

Ladies, Gentlemen, Horses and Mules. (Well I guess that takes in all
of you).  I was asked to go to this Vegas 'thing' and no one, not even
God, knows why I agreed.  I thought I had a bad time 5 years ago, but
nothing could have prepared me for this experience.  I went along 
thinking that perhaps since I've mellowed out as I'm getting older, 
(I'm 32) I may have been a little 'tight' last time.  The trip to LV 
was fine, I hit 146 mph on a long stretch of road for a brief time.
We stayed at Caesar's Palace and spent some time gambling the night 
before.  While everyone else went to bed, I stayed-up and went on a 
good hearty dusk-to-dawn rampage, hitting almost every casino and bar 
on the strip.  Losing a fair amount of money was, without doubt, 
the beginning of a hellish weekend.

Getting to the stadium was not half-the-fun.  I was glad to ride in
a car other than mine; I'm sure I would have been placing $68,000.00
in jeopardy.  When I awoke the day of the concert I felt like
Mike Tyson beginning round 29, I knew I was in Mark's van, but I
had no idea how I got there.  I fell back to sleep until I was aware
that we were apparently in a line waiting to get in as the sounds
of the road had stopped banging my sore brain up and down.  I woke
up to the sight of a huge bony black lab which had burrowed his
nose in my armpit and I had scratched myself red in my sleep.  Mark's
dog, Max, smelled like it had ejaculated all over itself.

There were literally hundreds of shitty, rust-infected bombs in a
long hideous parade, and we sat waiting, and waiting, and waiting for hours.  
As we sat, I observed the general appearance of the people on the 
way to the show.  Several dead-heads had already been arrested on the
side of the road, and were being loaded into Las Vegas police
cars.  "Ye-Gods", I said out-loud, "I hope I haven't let you guys 
talk me into another fiasco like the last one."  My friend Mark 
grinned and admitted to me that he liked taking me to things like this 
just to see my reaction to them.  "Hell Dale, last time listening to
you was a hoot!  You were a riot!"  After saying this, I felt my stomach 
utterly drop like I just swallowed a cup of raw cookie dough.

When we finally pulled into the parking lot, amid the cooing of
my friends about how beautiful and fun-loving this was going to be, I
was immediately met by the contemptuous glower of a mid-twenties,
overly made-up, body-rotted, battle-ax who was munching demonstratively
on carrot sticks and not doing a very good job of containing the
chewed stuff.  I was not wearing levis nor a hole-ridden shirt and
she looked me up and down as if I just murmured explicit sexual
fantasies involving cattle.

The parking lot was a gigantic flea market of secondhand trash having no
beneficial purpose, use, or worth to anyone in their right mind. The
scrapped rags, papers, glass, and metals were being vended by 
terrifying, glass-eyed hippies, who were also attempting to extort 
money with beads and rattles and sententious remarks about living and dying 
for the Grateful Dead.  I broused around the wabbling, junk covered 
card-board tables in a few isles and then, there they were, 
low and behold: tuna-fish sandwiches.  I kid you not!  However, I felt
that at $2.00, they were just slightly above the usually budgeted
expenditure for decomposed Osteichthyes.  Entering into the stadium 
and finding a place to pause, I was immediately hit with two things: 
the first was a whiny, skrieky request to put out my cigarette; 
the second, and more offensive, was the smell of the people 
standing around me.

The band 'Sting' opened the dreary spectacle and it started raining as
if God was illustrating his manifest sorrow for the gravely unfortunate
living conditions of the bus-people.  Their personal appearance clearly 
demonstrated a withdrawl from reality and conventional society and 
their juvenile behavior and dress was a general rejection of life's mores.  
We moved around a bit in the shoulder-to-shoulder crowd, but I knew I 
was getting to close to the collection of loosely-knit, nonconformists 
when I spotted them drinking what appeared to be pressed industrial 
waste from a Thermos. I didn't even want to rub shoulders and get it 
spilled on me, then be treated to the mind-bending technicolor venue 
I got 5 years ago.

So many of the people there think the most frightening things are
in vogue, and dead-heads seem to be able to find them like a bird spots 
a worm from atop a tree.  Flamboyant and discordant colors, grotesque
deformities, designs that cannot possibly be other than bad, and aside 
from striking novelty, there is nothing good about them.  Some of the 
conspicuously repulsive dresses should have been relegated to the trash can
years ago.
 
Standing there in the pouring rain with a huge, gnawing, pounding
headache making me cringe like the sound of a fire engine's siren
blasting through a traffic jam.  Along with a haze of several thousand
mosquitoes and Mark's stupid dog who sat there with that stupid 
grateful look labs have whether your feeding them or whacking
them over the head with a stick.  I knew this was a dreadful mistake.
It didn't take long before I knew to the full how terrible this
situation was.  There was no way of dropping through the ground or
waking myself up.

The meal of music being served was endless; each course equally 
unappetizing and abominably served.  The show itself was tehnically 
atrocious.  It was incredible, apalling really, that the Grateful Dead 
would show such disdain for their audience by obviously not even 
practicing enough to remember their own lyrics. To add to the sleep-
inducing chords were broken strings and a variety of equipment
which was not working.

Some poor, pathetic, destitute man was struck by lightning in the 
parking lot and several other times I wondered if God's wrath was
about to come upon the place in the form of lightning bolts.
While I was standing there, cursing my fucking lifetime friend for
talking me into this mess, I felt something hit me in the back of
the neck.  Then I felt another.  I turned around and was astounded
to see people throwing marshmellows at each other!  Just when did
this little custom start?  Mark and the others were looking at the
expression on my face, along with the statements I was making and
apparently enjoying every minute of it.  Mark patted me on the back
and said, "Oh, Dale.  You're the life of the party!"

Near the end of the show, some fruit-cake jumped onto the stage and
was immediately removed by security.  We left, finally, after what
seemed to be days.  My hangover admittedly compounded my suffering,
but I'm sorry, I didn't have any better of a time this go around.
No, I won't go again.  Don't ask me.

    ____________________________________________________________________
    \____\  DALE W. CLARK                  "Pipe down kid! The   /____/
      \___\ dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com      old-man's hung."    /___/ 
        \__\                                     -Auntie Mame  /__/
            \_________________________________________________/



23.692:-)CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindWed May 19 1993 17:344
I thought that was a great review, and think it belongs in Deadbase.

Seriously!
23.693NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed May 19 1993 17:545
Well, what's important is that he had a good time.

;-)

tim
23.694STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Wed May 19 1993 18:2712
>she looked me up and down as if I just murmured explicit sexual
>fantasies involving cattle.
    
    Ooh, do I know this look!
    
    re .692
    
    I agree wholeheartedly.  It would be a most pleasant change from "Scarlet
    was intense!  Then the transition to Fire was hot hot hot!!  Fire was
    smokin'!!!"
    
    Jamie
23.695hmmmm...BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Wed May 19 1993 19:595
    >> Osteichthyes
    
    what is this?
    
    :), d
23.696sounds like a good time....SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyWed May 19 1993 20:3124
    >     >> Osteichthyes
    > 
    >     what is this?
    
    Dale's penchant for obfuscation.  (Hmmm, I'm not doing too bad myself!
    ;-)  He likes to use big words that people will call him on and then 
    explain that the people must be idiots for not knowing that blah, blah,
    blah.  Given it's context, it relates to either tuna fish, or the 
    possibile diseases one could get from eating a spoiled tuna fish
    sandwich.  My dictionary only goes as far as the oste root, relating
    to bone.  One of which maybe he should have smoked ;-)
    
    Actually this seemed a much nicer time than his last account, and any
    problems he relates could easily be assigned to his over-indulgence of
    the night before.  
    
    I also saw a clue, albeit small, that maybe this was another goof on
    us.  I don't know how many of you are familiar with Wheezer's stories
    (which I haven't seen in a looong time) but he had an odd habit of
    spelling rows of chairs, people, or such as isles, when he meant 
    aisles.  I'm probably stretching it here though.
    
    PeterT
    
23.697hahaha...BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Thu May 20 1993 11:154
    >> My dictionary only goes as far as the oste root, relating to bone. 
    >> One of which maybe he should have smoked ;-)
    
    ;')
23.698viva las vegas!ISLNDS::CONNORS_MThu May 20 1993 14:4225
    
    Well, I'm back from my vacation today... :-(  oh well!
    
    As far as the shows went I thought they were good, but 
    not the best I've been to.  Of the 3, I thought Sunday 
    was the best - with highlights scattered around each
    night.  Friday the sound was really really bad... and on
    Saturday - after the crowd requested that they "turn it up"
    it got much better.  We only hung out around Las Vegas Blvd
    on Saturday night and had a blast.  Literally ram right into
    Phyllis in the Alladin!  (I don't think we could have planned
    that any better Phyllis!)  One night of the strip was enough
    for me.  We got HUGE margaritta's at the Frontier and sat on
    some benches watching the world go round!  :-)  ;-)
    
    We stayed at the Lake Mead Campground - about 30 mins from
    the Silverbowl.  It was nice to be away from the crazyness
    of the strip IMO.  
    
    Headed down to the Grand Canyon after the sunday show and then
    back to Montana the following day.  It was a great fun filled
    vacation!  Time to plan the next one!  
    
    MJ
      
23.699sound isn't loud enough and hasn't been IMOLANDO::HAPGOODThu May 20 1993 15:4828
                    <<< Note 23.698 by ISLNDS::CONNORS_M >>>
>    night.  Friday the sound was really really bad... and on
>    Saturday - after the crowd requested that they "turn it up"
>    it got much better.  We only hung out around Las Vegas Blvd

Well,  let me just say this is one thing bugging me for the past few
years at a Dead show.  

TURN IT UP!  Same thing in Albany this year.  Night number 1.  Low volume.
Glad I didn't have to go home.  Night 2 sound was louder and better BUT (IMO) 
not loud enough.  

I've heard all this raz about, "The sound people are being nice for the 
tourheads and taking into account that people see multiple shows".  If people 
can't take care of themselves then why should they?  [akin to the government
"helping us out"]

I don't really appreciate them being responsible for me *if* that is in fact
what is going on.  I want him to TURN IT UP.  TO ELEVEN.  I can provide my 
own ear protection.  I came for a rock concert; I didn't really come to hear
people talk which is basically what happens when people realize they can
speak and be heard as opposed to the futility of trying to SHOUT over the
music.  

comments?
just another rant brought to you by
bob. 

23.700MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereThu May 20 1993 15:533
   absolutely ... afterall ... 11 is one better than 10! :-)

23.701TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu May 20 1993 16:278
    
    I agree - I've been complaining that it's too low for years.  I also
    don't understand why it *always* takes them a song or two to get the
    sound right when they start a first set, no matter how many times
    they've played the arena.  IMHO, I think Healy needs some help (younger
    ears) up there.
    
    
23.702EBBV03::SMITHThe sun is getting highThu May 20 1993 17:5510
	I couldn't agree more!

	I have no objections to Jerry's high notes ringing my 
	ears, and Phils bombs jarring my bones....after all 
	thats the way I listen to it at home and in the car...

	The sound quality technology today is so excellent that 
	it seems sinful to not take advantage of it and blow
	our socks off! :-)
23.703re: .691NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyThu May 20 1993 19:28159
This is Dale "The Porsche Guy" Clark's review of his first Dead show ... 

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In article <1993May20.163758.18976@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> IRELAND.LAWRENCE_D@boston.va.gov writes:
>From: IRELAND.LAWRENCE_D@boston.va.gov

>his first show was funnier. If anyone could post Dale's first 
>encounter with the Dead or e-mail it to me personally I'd be

From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Subject: First and LAST visit to a Grateful Dead Concert.  Yuk!
Keywords: Dead-Heads, filthy, moronic, drugs, deplorable
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 05:57:44 GMT


FIRST AND LAST EXPERIENCE AT A "DEAD-HEAD" CONCERT
--------------------------------------------------

A few years ago some friends of mine decided to take me to a dead-head concert.
I had never been to one and knew little about the Grateful Dead.  They bought
a ticket for me so how could I refuse?  I asked them what songs the Dead wrote
that made it to top-40, but the ones they mentioned were unfamiliar to me.  I
drove my car to Park West, Utah were I met the others.

After arriving we all walked up to the outdoor concert area.  It was a long
walk, but it was a beautiful day.  Along the way I began to notice people
dressed in strange tie-die shirts wearing beads and sandals and I was reminded
of old Dragnet episodes from the 1960s.  I remarked to my friend how odd they
looked and asked him what kind of concert this way going to be.  He turned to
me and said,

"You're going to meet some of the most fun loving, good-natured people around."

"Oh, marvelous." I thought sarcastically.  But, I tried to forget this and
concentrate on having a good time.  I was, after all, basically a conservative
professional-type and my friends were trying to do me a favor by getting me out
of the house and I appreciated their generosity.

Further along the walk we came across a dilapidated yellow-school bus and
several oxidized VW-vans with pandemonium painted on the sides.  In front of
these were people, who can only be described as freaks, selling buttons,
bumper-stickers, a miscellaneous assortment of dead-head memorabilia which
primary constituent was junk, and tuna-fish sandwiches that were slowly
corroding in the hot sun.  My friend revealed to me that these poor,
unfortunate souls that I termed "bus-people" made money to support their
meager, destitute existence by travelling from concert to concert selling these
items.  A girl wearing a stained, multi-color dress that jingled when she
walked asked me if I wanted a sandwich.

"Boy, they're making my stomach growl just looking at them," I said with a
smile, "but I think I'll grab something later on."

We entered the concert area and found a spot to sit.  It was a perfect, cool
but sunny day and I thought it might be enjoyable after all.  As we were
waiting for the concert to begin the crowd keep pouring in.  We were
frequently trampled on by people trying to get above us; clothed in the
familiar cacophonous colored garb and having extremely long, greasy, unkempt
hair, filthy hands that felt gritty and left hand-prints as they used your
shoulder for balance, and feet so dirty they were the color of ebony.  Many of
them carried the dismal tuna-fish sandwiches and most had the 1,000-yard stare
of vacant contentment one would see at religious revival gatherings.  The odor
of marijuana permeated the area and joints were often passed down long lines of
people.

The music finally began after what seemed to be hours of waiting.  The songs
were somewhat repetitious and long, but at first not unpleasant.  During one
tune, a man wearing soiled, bright-purple leotards, a flame-red cape, black-
boots, a lone-ranger mask and a tattered shirt began dancing around us.  He was
one of the bus-people obviously loaded on a hallucinogenic and his person, long
overdue for a bath, exuded a putrid miasma.  After the completion of several
convoluted dance routines he stuck out his upraised palm in an attempt to
panhandle money.  A few flipped quarters but I would have given $50 if I could
have bought a bar a soap to toss to him.

I noted a small collection of men wearing what appeared to be women's night
gowns dancing and eating saltine crackers out of a box as fast as they could
manage to stuff them into their mouths.  One of them said something to me
through a crumpled bolus of crackers and saliva but it was unintelligible.
I nodded at him with a smile, which he returned displaying teeth that had
seriously neglected flossing, let alone brushing, for the better whole of his
lamentable life.  These people seemed content, but this was probably due to
being maintained on drugs since no sensible person would remain happy living in
such squalor without depersonalizing themself through the aid of a chemical.

As the songs progressed I began to get tired of the seemingly endless length
of them.  Themes were reiterated again and again to the point of fatigue.
It was becomming difficult to distinguish one song from another and I
frequently found myself longing for the short blessings of relief that came
inbetween.  Soon I was concentrating on everything but the music; the time,
the sky, my back-ache, the bus-people, and the wonderful idea to exit early -
but I remained so as not to insult my friends because they had so much wanted
me to have a good time (a decision I would come to utterly regret later).

Then a very frightening thing happened.  One of the group of us had a cup of
punch and offered me a drink and I drank some.  Half an hour later I began
to feel strange and a slight euphoria was present.  I then realized that the
punch probably contained LSD-25 and I was instantly filled with rage to think
someone would be so crude as to "dose" someone else without their knowledge.
A small argument ensued and I was accused of being naive about punch at
dead-head concerts.  I asked how long I could expect this to last and was told
12-hours.  I had never taken a hallucinogenic but I knew enough to know that
a person having a bad time would have A REALLY BAD time if they imbibed it.
This only compounded this unendurable situation.  I never have and never will
forgive the person who so irresponsibly gave me the drug.

The remainder of the concert was strange and at times scary.  I spent a lot of
time looking at clouds and what seemed to be hours examining the grain and
texture of a grass blade.  The bus-people's idiosyncracies that disgusted me
before now seemed to be magnified several-fold and nearly horrified me.  Their
multi-colored atire now seemed to smear about during their gyrations and my
stomach was infected with sickness that intensified when I looked at them.  I
wanted to leave.  Now!  Immediately!  I couldn't stand it any longer.  I would
have given anything if a helicopter would have landed and armed guards would
have escorted me out of that deplorable place.

Finally the concert finished and I rose, clapped and cheered because of the
warm feeling I had that it was over.  I said rapid goodbyes and hurried to my
car.  I was not unable to drive as I must have had only a low dose.
Unfortunately, the line of traffic was enormous and I was stuck near the end of
a row so my car sat idling for a long time.  While I waited, a group of dirt-
bags were sitting on a truck and looking at my car.  I could hear them
ridiculing me for some reason.  Finally, a girl came up to my car window,
looked me straight in the eyes with a glare of anger and said with sarcasm,

"What kind of man would bring a Porsche to a dead-head concert?"

I spoke to her with a smile and tried to calm her down, but it was to no avail.
She began to utter obscenities and I rolled up the window.  This antagonized
her and the clique of idiots she was with.  Several sat on the front of my car
and a few hopped on the rear bumper.  They rocked the car back and forth while
spewing out a stream of insults.  One imbecile standing on the side of my car
threw a large cup of coke which burst down the window and side of the car.  I
sat inside helpless and sickened by this pinnnacle event to a thoroughly rotton
day.

An opening occurred in the line and I drove off.  Had the opening been longer
or wider I would have opened up the 911 and tossed the miserable excuses for
human beings to the asphault.  I was so upset by the event and everything else
that I drove over 110 mph down the canyon to get home.  I washed the car, took
a shower and considered sanitizing my clothing with fire.

As of this day, the words "Dead-Head" bring back visions of those angry,
moronic pieces of human dung jumping on my car, glaring at me with hollow eyes
while screaming filth as dirty as their own offensive, disgusting bodies.
The majority of scum I came in contact that day were an insult to the image
of decent, hard-working people everywhere.  Quite the opposite reaction to the
visions of loving, fun people we hear who attend these concerts.
23.704XCUSME::MACINTYREFri May 21 1993 13:3510
    Ya gotta admit that this guy has reason to be a little down on
    Deadheads.  I mean I've had a few absolute loosers **ck up my time at
    showz a couple of times.  Ya gotta have the right frame of mind to
    enjoy the scene as it can get bizzare at times.
    
    On the other hand the guy probably was ajerk to begin with and this
    experience did nothing to modify his thinking.
    
    Marv
    
23.705Make me want a showVOYAGR::SAMPSONDriven by the windFri May 21 1993 13:562
    yet while reading his reviews I remember my experience, blow off what I
    find to be unlikely and reeeeeaaaly want to see a show!
23.706Nice fictional readingSALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Fri May 21 1993 14:537
    
    
    I don't believe this guy ever went to a Dead show. He's just a
    no-neck trying to piss people off...whatever.
    
    Steve-O
    
23.707XCUSME::MACINTYREFri May 21 1993 16:516
    re Steve-O
      
     Why do you say that?  
    
    Marv
    
23.708InconsistenciesMILKWY::SAMPSONDriven by the windFri May 21 1993 17:0316
    I find the harrasment because of what he drove for a car very far
    fetched. As Adam said his roommate took his porsche to shows, I'll bet 
    no one hassled him. 
    
    	And you know what else, I've never seen anyone sell tuna fish
    sandwiches! I've seen alot of food there, but this guy gets tuna fish
    sandwiches every time. Where's the vegie stir fry? And the line about 
    the girl saying, "what are you doing with a porsche at a dead-head
    concert" you know if it was real she'd have called it a "Dead show".
    
    	But it still brought to mind pictures of hot summer days and crowds
    of tie dye on the way into a show. I don't really buy man, most of the 
    VW busses thant make it to shows are in good shape as far as the body
    is concerned.
    
    Geoff
23.709ROCK::CAMPR::FROMMGUMBO!!!Fri May 21 1993 17:175
uh, i don't think that the story is for real; i think the whole thing is kind
of humurous, in a warped way, but i never got the impression from reading
it that it actually is something that happened to someone

- rich
23.710NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyFri May 21 1993 17:308
I find it kinda suspicious that he didn't mention drumz/space ... I know from
personal experience that people who don't like the Dead find drumz/space to
be only a little bit better than having their fingernails pulled out with
a pair of rusty pliers, one by one.

;^)

- dc
23.711To reiterate...SALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Fri May 21 1993 17:337
    
    
    What they said.  :-)
    
    Steve-O
    
    
23.712TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon May 24 1993 13:0212
    
    anyone have last night's set list?
    
    They played Supplication Saturday night!!  With words and everything! 
    (First time since Halloween '84!)  No Lazy Lightening, though.  And
    also, finally, a Foolish Heart!
    
    Sorry, but I didn't write down the Friday/Saturday lists.  I figured
    they'd be in the system when I got here but I didn't get any external
    mail all weekend.
    
    
23.713:-)CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindMon May 24 1993 14:493
People see what they what to see. Heck I know someone who went to a 
Grateful Dead Show and claimed he saw God.
23.714CXDOCS::BARNESMon May 24 1993 14:513
    hey! that was me!!! (or a resonable facsimile)
    
    rfb
23.715CX3PST::BSS::DSMITHWed May 26 1993 17:0710
    
    No Randy you didn't see God, you saw me!
    
    
     . .
      ,
    \___/
    
    Divide Dave
    
23.716You mean your IT???LUNER::YOUNGwhere is this place in space???Wed May 26 1993 21:303
    Hey, hold it, i thought i was God....at least for a moment...%'}
    
    dugo
23.717CXDOCS::BARNESWed May 26 1993 21:414
    errrr....now I'm confused....am I God or did I see God???
    
    
    rfb
23.718NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu May 27 1993 13:498
rfb,

You're not God.  He told me so this morning.  I talk to
him almost every day.  I have his 1-900 number if ya 
wanna ask him yerself.  He says, and I quote, "Jesus loves
me, but he can't stand you!"....;-) ;-)

tim
23.719:^)ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Thu May 27 1993 13:514
    now i'm confused too...  you see, i spoke to god last night, and
    SHE didn't say anything like that at all...
    
    					da ve
23.720CX3PST::BSS::DSMITHThu May 27 1993 14:009
    Hey Randy!!!!
    
     Where you looking in a mirror when you "saw" god? Was i around?
    Did I see god too?Did  see anything?Was god wearing a purple and green
    tie dye?
     The hell with it your GOD1
    
    Divide dave
    
23.721did you here the one about the ...MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRa blinding flash o'the obviousThu May 27 1993 15:417
    Is there any one here who remembers the oneliner which caused a big
    flack in the lte 60's where an astronaut comes back to Earth and 
    says :  "I have seen god and she is black".     hoooooooooweeeeee
    made many people froth at the mouth..made many people gasp, too :-)
    
    I love it
    
23.722well, sort of... :^)ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Thu May 27 1993 15:446
    yep, Carol, i vaguely remember that...  i seem to associate it with 
    some of the flack that the smothers bors caused too somehow, but i'm
    not sure if that is because it was something from thier show or if 
    i just have nuerons misfiring... :^)
    
    						da ve
23.723made sense to me...SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu May 27 1993 16:115
    Yep, I remember that line.  Always made me smile instead of froth
    though!
    
    PeterT
    
23.724giantsTERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Jun 07 1993 17:0030
    just a couple notes on the Giants shows - don't have time for much more
    than that right now.

    Saturday night was definately solid, lots of high points.  Only
    disasterous moment was Stella Blue.  We could tell right from the start
    they had the tempo wrong and it would never come off right.. how come
    they can't tell that and just start over?  The Fire was scorching! 
    Big, big Other One. I was *not* happy with that Easy Answers in the
    middle of Music.  They were into a hot Music jam, great groove, and
    just abruptly ended it to play EA. Blew my head completely.  The song
    had a good jam at the end and I wouldn't mind hearing it again, but not
    like that.  The only other Music split I  can recall is Alpine when
    they threw in the Sugaree and that was MUCH smoother than this.  Box
    encore was nice although we wanted Rain.  

    Sunday was a good show too.  I called the Sunshine opener as soon as we
    saw some in the lot. :-)  Great Let it Grow.  2nd set up until drums
    was very, very hot.  The return of the Bertha->Good Lovin was
    fantastic!!! The jam after Playin' was one of those where you say to
    yourself "this is why we keep coming" :-)  Way, way out there.. nice
    and intricate.  But, then came Bobby.  ;-) Corrina out of space is just
    a bad decision.  We knew then the rest of the set was headed down and
    we were right.  The Attics was nice but not enough to save us.  Stones
    Not Fade was boring and then a nothing-special Liberty encore.

    All in all - fairly solid shows, though, and lots of fun both days. 
    Not quite as much fun this morning but the advil's helping a little.
    ;-}

23.725TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Jun 07 1993 17:025
    
    oh yeah - met SteveO and his new wife on Sunday during break, thanks to
    the DEChead t's.  They seemed happy. :-)
    
    
23.726VXTST6::BOURDESSMon Jun 07 1993 17:0817
>    All in all - fairly solid shows, though, and lots of fun both days. 
>    Not quite as much fun this morning but the advil's helping a little.
    
    I hear ya' Phyllis.  Didn't get back to MA until 4:00; sure wish I
    remembered to bring some advil. :-)
    
    I wasn't much impressed with easy answer either.  It took the steam
    right out the performance, and I found it to be a bit repetitive and
    boring. IMHO of course. :-) A great time was had by all in my group
    however.
    
    Did anybody see the fool that fell from the 2nd tier?  A friend of mine
    was 3 rows behind where he landed.  Story goes that he was dancing on
    the rail and fell.  Smart huh?
    
    
    	Mike
23.727TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Jun 07 1993 17:177
    
    Lisa and Dave saw him.  He took a nosedive from the 300s right into
    their section in the 100s.  Both he and the woman he fell on were taken
    out on stretchers.  (The woman he fell on in a neck brace as well). 
    Not a fun thing to watch happen.  I hope they're both alright.  
    
    
23.728ZENDIA::FERGUSONYour recipe is so tastyMon Jun 07 1993 18:1644
	I checked out the Sat. giants show.  the scene was pretty messy: rain,
heavy at times, drizzle, and it was fairly cool (55 deg. F).  In between
down pours, we walked around a bit.  Saw two different bands jamming in the
parking lot!  Pretty cool.  The N02 line was pretty long from what I saw, as
usual!  Vending wasn't too big, understandibly given the weather.  I would
guess that sunday's scene was better.


	I though the show was very good!   sugaree, as someone commented, was
long and very nice!  the music->ES->music i thought was alright!  at first
i was wondering wtf was going on, then figured it must be a new tune (what
a revalation! :-).  they came back into music pretty nice and finished it
off....  good first set.  being on the floor though, it was very wet and
lots of puddles around.  the feet were saturated!!!

	when they were tuning up for the 2nd set, i heard some scarlet hints
and started getting psyched... they cranked that up after a couple of mins
of tuning up.  short, really short, scarlet i though... not much of a 
segway jam, but FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  yowzha!!  very hot and nice and long.
i think maybe jerry realized he short-changed us and then proceeded to DOSE
us with a killer fire!!  i was lovin' it!   long long way was good... they
need to start working with this one to turn it into something worth hearing
frequently.  as it is right now, the redition hasn't changed much since they
broke it out...  it is always a pleasure hearing vinny _belt_ out those
lyrics though!  deb was starting to get very cold at this point and i
became worried about her getting a cold, so, reluctantly, we split the
scene right after crazy.  better to err on the side of caution when one's
health is in consideration i reckon!.. i figured they'd do crazy->playin 
or crazy->drumz, was surprised to hear estimated ....  good part I of set 
II I thought!

	as with all east coast stadium shows i've ever seen, there was your
normal set of once-a-year-deadshow assholes at the show, well, that's what
i call 'em anyways.  being on the floor next to the elevated sections can
be a bit scary, especially when you have the assholes on the floor saying
"jump", "go on 3", etc.  the people would jump, and run as quickly as they
could to 'integrate' with the floor crowd.  sometimes that meant PLOWING
down my row of folks... i told a couple of "trendheads" that it ain't cool
to encourage jumping off and they said "why?"  i told 'em the dead get shutout
of places because of inconsiderate assholes like yourself!  i was pissed...
especially since they played this tape recording of Mikey saying "don't
jump or we may not be able to play here anymore" type thing MANY times...
some people either don't get it, or just plain don't give a shit.... oh well,
what can ya do?
23.72932880::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleMon Jun 07 1993 19:058
    I thought the Saturday show was one of the best I've ever seen.  Even
    the drum solo/space had some great moments!!!!  Maybe it was the bad
    weather that made da boyz really on, but I felt that connection with
    the music which makes their shows so special.
    
    Who has the tapes?
    
    Fredda 
23.730MKOTS3::JOLLIMOREI've returned from the DeadTue Jun 08 1993 11:4612
	Phyllis, your reviews were right on! 'specially Sunday.
	
	The guy who fell from the upper level broke a leg and according
	to a blue coat was otherwise ok. Not sure 'bout the woman. 
	
	It was a grate weekend. the bummers were: the parking lot mess,
	the fools who continue to jump the wall, and the fraggin idjits
	who threw near extinguished sparklers from the upper level sunday
	nite. the sparklers looked grate, but lettin 'em fly on the
	people below was seriously demented.
	
	Jay
23.731CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 08 1993 16:053
    us coloradians would like to see more reviews from backeast....Thanks
    rfb (bored)
    
23.732excellent time. LANDO::HAPGOODTue Jun 08 1993 16:2424
A couple of comments:

The shows were good.  Saturday was wet but alot of fun Sunday was EXCELLENT!
I thought the best songs of Sat. night were Music>No Easy Answer>Music,
Sugaree and Scarlet>Fire.

Sunday!!  Excellent show!   Another comment about Phil though;  Give up
Broken Arrow;  I think he has real trouble carrying that tune (I said this
after the Albany run and this version didn't help my opinion either).

No Throwin Stones clapping and Weir antics, it was straight into NFA and
Jerry wailed.  Liberty works better as an encore (but it isn't my fave tune).

Saved thw worst for last:

The Meadowlands "Bird";  This guy put a damper on my evening (well not really 
but after drums I felt like leaving and wasn't into the tunes anymore).  
I was asking about him Sunday and was told by security people that he jumped 
and the person he landed on (she) had a broken shoulder (or collarbone) and
he had a broken ankle.  Not fun watching people working on them for most of
the remaining set.  Some people I talked to that were up in the 3rd tier
said he took a running jump.  He landed about 12 rows in front us.  I saw a 
blur and said "nah it couldn't be" but it was.  I was hoping it was a gumby.

23.733MKOTS3::JOLLIMOREI've returned from the DeadTue Jun 08 1993 17:1519
	re: the bird.
	
	yeah. the security dood said he jumped.
	when we went up to check out our seats for sunday nite, i asked
	the guard if he thought i cud make it to the floor by jumping
	from there. he said "the guy last nite didn't make it". i asked
	if he jumped or fell and he said he jumped.  :-\ truely strange.
	so, i figured i wudn't try it.
	
	anyone catch the drummin between sets by gate D on sunday nite.
	it was cookin! 
	
	i don't have a long review of the shows. don't have the time. but
	our vantage point for sunday allowed us a good view behind the
	stage. saw bill walton enjoying sting. saw jerry leaning on some
	equipment obviously enjoying sting. he was groovin to the tunes.
	he looked like he was tryin to get sting to do an encore. i must
	say, i rilly enjoyed stings performances. anyone who missed him
	missed a good show imo.
23.734CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 08 1993 17:197
    ditto on Sting...we only caught him from the Parking lot first day in
    Vegas, but were close enough to hear everything and the sound was good,
    didn't see/hear Sting the second day but caught the whole set third
    day from indside the Venue, which was diff from the previous 2 days...
    supposedly I have access to tapes. 
    
    rfb
23.735ZENDIA::FERGUSONYour recipe is so tastyTue Jun 08 1993 17:423
ditto*2 on sting also.

i thought he delivered quite well!
23.736LANDO::HAPGOODTue Jun 08 1993 19:1212
Yea,  Sting was good.  I missed 1/2 of Sting's show on Sat and caught most
of it on Sunday.  

So Vinnie Calliuto was on drums but who was the black man who set the 
keyboards aside for a scorching rendition of Purple Haze?  

Also, I heard some Beatles;  A day in the Life, Penny Lane and someone told
me the first couple of tunes were acoustic on Sunday...was one Blackbird?

bob


23.737and the answer is...LIOVAX::MERRILLNY's got the ways and meansTue Jun 08 1993 19:215
    
    The keyboard player is David Sancious...
    
    Marc
    
23.738trying out xnotes for the first time.QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyWed Jun 09 1993 15:334
But I'm wondering what Sting thought of the Deadheads???  
Supposedly that was one of his reasons for signing on the tour.

PeterT
23.739CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 09 1993 16:557
    I Vegas, Sting said we were the best aud he'd ever played for and
    "Thanks for listening to us"
    
        but do we believe him??? %^)
    
    
    rfb
23.740Giants StadiumBIGBAD::HINEWed Jun 09 1993 17:1821
I did not write the whole set list for Friday, but here are the 
highlights.

Sting was great, played his new stuff along with Beatles (Day in the 
life), then played Synchronicity I and Roxanne. Real Cool!!

The Dead opened with Hell in a Bucket then the first set went something 
like Peeggy O, Eternity, Music never stops, Wang dang doodle, those were
the high points for me.

Second set  Scarlet>Fire, Estimated, Long way Home ( ? real cool vince 
song), crazy fingers, Stella blue, drums>space, the other one, Saturday
Night, then a fitting Box of Rain encore.

Sorry for the less than exact review, but the show was really cool even if
it does'nt seem so.

Hope to see ya all at Buffalo and RFK.  Wear your DEChead shirts, other
wise I won't know ya.

Jeff
23.741Saturday not FridayBIGBAD::HINEWed Jun 09 1993 17:191
OOOOOOOOPPPPSSSSS!!!!!!
23.742First ShowBRAT::TOPPERThu Jun 10 1993 13:5512
    Report on the Meadowlands Concerts (New Jersey)
    
    First of all this was my first grateful dead concert, I've heard some
    dead tones but the ones they played that night I new zero. Later I got
    a copy of the set list, the one I enjoyed the best were Candyman, Box
    of Rain encore, Saturday Night, Peggy'O but the drum>space was
    phenominal. When we arrived it was raining but still everyone was
    partying. In side when the show begun I was surprised to see 80,000
    people cheering and dancing, this had to be one of the TOP concert
    I have ever seen. I can't wait to go to another show.
    
    DT
23.743TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu Jun 10 1993 13:556
    
    :-)
    
    Welcome to the bus!!
    
    
23.744CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jun 10 1993 14:483
    either ya get it...or ya don't! WELCOME!!!!
    
    rfb
23.745ISLNDS::CONNORS_MThu Jun 10 1993 15:3853
    
    Ok, my turn for the Giant's review....  :-)
    
    Didn't go in for Sting either night - oh well.  
    
    I thought both nights were really great shows.  The sound
    was great from the beginning!  I guess they did get the
    message about turning it up from Vegas!  
    
    Sugaree totally blew me away on Saturday - definately the
    best one I've ever heard live.  PeggyO and Candyman were 
    both very sweet!  But that Easy Answers (or Bad answers
    as I was calling it the rest of the night) was not a good
    interruption of MNS.  I love MNS but they took the fun out
    of it with that blurb in the middle!  Set II was also great!
    I guess I wasn't in a very good section (110) for the
    Other One because I seemed to be the only one who was 
    excited when Phil started wailing away!  I even got a 
    "down in front" comment from some folks behind me.  I was
    the only person standing and measuring in at 5' I wasn't 
    about to sit down!  I couldn't even stand still dammit!  
    
    The weather Saturday left a bit to be desired but that's the
    way it goes out here in the east!  
    
    Sunday was a very fun day.  Hooked up with Phyllis and Lisa
    and Dave in the lot and played in the wind.  We thought we had
    probably seen the best of the 2 shows on Saturday but we were
    very happily mistaken.  I would have to rate these 2 at equally
    good.  
    
    HCS was good (although I liked the one in Vegas better), 
    Minglewood was hot and I called the Ramble on Rose.  I have to
    disagree with the dislikes of Broken Arrow - I really like it. 
    Masterpiece was another hot number.
    
    The set II .........  well, Bertha GoodLovin........  that about
    explains it for me.  I was psyched!  :-)  
    
    I have really grown to like Corinna a lot since last year when I
    first heard it.   Its got a great Jazzy beat - fun to dance to.  
    I thought they were going to go back into Playin at some point 
    but it didn't happen.  Maybe in Buffalo this weekend!  ;-)
    NFA cranked it up - but I was surprised the clapping didn't 
    keep up through to the encore.  (but I was behind the stage on
    Sunday so I may just not have been able to tell.)  I liked the
    Liberty encore - Jerry really seems to like this song a lot.  He
    even started to do a little dancing!  Lots of smiles and a big
    wave at the end!  We love you Jerry!  >:-)  
    
    Now I'm jonesin to go to RFK....  hmmmmmmmmmm
    
    MJ
23.746CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jun 10 1993 20:185
    down in front????????
    
    east coast shows ARE different than shows out here....
    
    rfb
23.747hahahaaa!!!! now THAT's funny! :^)STRATA::DWESTif wishes were horses...Thu Jun 10 1993 20:277
    i'm sorry, but the thought of someone shouting "down in front!" to MJ
    has had me chuckling since i read it...  :^)  :^)  :^)
    
    and of course, no "short jokes" intended...  must have been that big
    smile that was blocking the view, eh MJ?  :^)
    
    					da ve
23.748ISLNDS::CONNORS_MThu Jun 10 1993 21:0811
    
    
    yeah da ve, it had me laughing pretty hard too!  :-) :-) :-)
    
    and rfb - I noticed a huge difference in the crowd in Vegas
    (my first shows out west) and I must say - it was a much more
    peaceful, easygoing crowd.  One I could certainly get used to
    if given the chance!
    
    MJ
     
23.749big diffZENDIA::FERGUSONYour recipe is so tastyFri Jun 11 1993 15:0910
re: east vs. west

>    and rfb - I noticed a huge difference in the crowd in Vegas
>    (my first shows out west) and I must say - it was a much more
>    peaceful, easygoing crowd.  One I could certainly get used to
>    if given the chance!
    
most definitely!  big, big, big diff between northeast showz vs. shows
out west and even down south.  didn't bob white pretty much refuse to go to
shows in the northeast because of this reason?
23.750Nice honeymoon shows!!SALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Fri Jun 11 1993 15:2626
    
    I'm not gonna get redundant with the GIANTS reviews but I'd like
    to throw a comment or two.
    
    FRONT ROW!!! Security was great. They kept people out and let you
    burn whatever you like. I got a few nice shots with the zoom lens.
    
    Awesome 1st set...loved Sugaree and I like Eternity. Good song.
    
    Sat the second set in the 300's..had a beautiful time it was just
    fabulous. I could not have been happier... :-) :-) :-)
    
    Sunday... Playin was wonderful. I was on another planet :-) :-) :-)
    And to hell with all you Corrina bashers.... I LIKE it. Speaking of,
    NICE TO MEET YOU PHYLLIS!! :-)
    
    We split during the NFA chant and got right out. None of that parking
    lot MAYHEM.
    
    Oh yeah, Jerry or Vince should sing Broken Arrow. It's a good song,
    but Phil is simply a bad singer....
    
    All in all a great time. Such and uplift to Joyce and I, cuz we
    thought Albany was kind of lame-- no jamming. I am content. :-)
    
    Steve-O
23.751LANDO::HAPGOODFri Jun 11 1993 15:409
Bird man of Meadowlands was reportedly from Chico, CA.  The woman he
landed on was from Hampton, NH.  

Fwiw that was the biggest trouble I've seen at a deadshow and I term that
to be anything but laid back. 

fwiw,
bob

23.752TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Jun 11 1993 15:597
    
    Oh come on Bob, we all know all the assholes at Deadshows are from NY.
    Maybe he grew up here. 
    
    ;-)
    
    
23.753MKOTS3::JOLLIMOREI've returned from the DeadFri Jun 11 1993 16:126
>    Maybe he grew up here. 

	Cudn't be.
	He ain't grown up yet.
	
	;-)
23.754TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Jun 11 1993 16:483
    
    :-) good point.
    
23.755NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyFri Jun 11 1993 17:324
I've heard conflicting reports as to whether this guy actually jumped,
or was dancing on the edge and fell off.  Did anyone actually see it?
Saying he jumped sounds suspiciously like something a security guard
would say ... all deadheads are on Dragnet-era LSD, etc.
23.756LANDO::HAPGOODFri Jun 11 1993 19:2613
Yabbut we was in Joisey :)

As for DC!  I am trying to think what act would be more stupid:

	a) dancing on a foot wide ledge 
	b) jumping

I think a) is more stupid than b) because the jumper knew what the situation
was.  The person in a is just plain ole dumb.  

bob


23.757;^)NRSTA2::CLARKElectric Music for the Mind and BodyFri Jun 11 1993 20:052
Well, (A) is dumb, while (B) involves either a death wish or an
extremely blended brain ....
23.758Rich StadiumNAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Jun 15 1993 15:5688
After years of attending Dead shows at indoor arenas, on Sunday I 
finally went to my first stadium show, in Buffalo.  Staying with a 
friend of a friend in Rochester, we headed out in the late morning 
and arrived shortly after noon.  I use the word "arrived" rather 
loosely, for in fact, what we did shortly after noon was to get in 
line on the interstate for the exit that would eventually lead to 
the stadium.  Or so we hoped.

For the next three hours, I worked on expanding my monosyllabic 
vocabulary of profanities, exclusively directed at the designers 
of this venue.  What perverse architect would design a stadium for 
over 60,000 seats, without thinking of the traffic implications?  
My only answer to this question was inevitable: morons.

Finally reaching the parking lot after 3pm, we sought out the scene, 
and picked up a few goodies (and a lot of water - it was quite hot by 
now). Gates opened around 4pm, and we wandered in around 5.

Sting opened just after 6pm.  I would like to take this opportunity to 
publicly thank Sting for inviting what must have been every beautiful
woman in the province of Ontario, not to mention the surrounding United
States.  Although his performance was less than inspiring, it was fun to
hear him do a few of the oldies, like Roxanne, King of Pain, etc.  I was,
by this time, so involved in photographing the crowd that I didn't notice
when Jerry came out for Sting's last tune.  That probably says something
about his performance (or my distraction).

The Dead rolled out shortly after 8pm and opened with Touch of Grey.
By this time, fifty or sixty thousand of us had become quite intimate,
sweating and squirming together on the Rich Stadium field, covered with
a delicate coat of high-tensile neoprene and slime.  The crowd went wild.
Some of them did so on top of me and my camera, so I quickly finished 
off the roll, and squirrelled it away with Mystery in the taping pit.
But not until I got at least one shot of the thirty or so people dancing
on top of the porta-johns.  Apparently, the heat had impaired their
sense of smell, or perhaps just their senses in general.  Two of the
structures eventually collapsed, much to the surprise of those who 
somehow hadn't noticed the rooftop party, and were using the facilities
at the time.

Maybe it's all the time I spent living in the south, but I love a cowboy
night.  Cassidy seemed to end abruptly (as I was shooting the balancing
toilet brigade), and Deal recovered nicely from an abortive first start
to finish the set with a bang.  Tennesee Jed filled out a set of old
favorites, and left me smiling and happy amongst the sweltering hordes.

By the time the second set was starting, the sun had mercifully set, and
the stage lights and video displays were brought up.  I had never seen
these before, and it came as a very pleasant surprise.  Mixing live
video of the boys with animation and file footage of dancers and scenery,
the massive displays on either side of the stage were very professionally
produced.  Standing more than a football field away, it was easy to get
a front row view of the stage.

There's something about "Looks Like Rain" that aways chokes me up.  Bob
decided to play this with an acoustic guitar (it looked like a Guild,
single cutaway acoustic, but I suspect it's a custom box), and it was
a pleasure to hear.  The Drums segment was particularly well matched in
the video and animated effects.  Clear skies, stars, Mandelbrots and
special effects.  My kind of night.

I haven't had a chance to hear the new songs very often, this being only
my sixth show this year, but I'm growing very fond of "Broken Arrow", 
and I'm not sure if it due to Phil's vocals, or in spite of them.  But I
like it.  I'm also getting very attached to Jerry's "Lazy River Road".
Most of the second set was very mellow, and laid back, so it came as a
surprise when they closed it with "Johnny B. Goode" - but that's ok.  
It's another old favorite.

After a rather brief "I Fought the Law" ("...and i'm goin' home..."),
we were treated to a brief, but very entertaining, computer-generated 
cartoon, and then released into the Buffalo traffic.  

Not to be out done by the afternoon debacle, we spent another three hours
struggling to stay awake for the 60 minute drive back to Rochester.  I
doubt that I'll do another stadium show again, thanks to my exposure to
the hardships of traffic control.  These people need to go to Disney
World and learn how real crowd control is done.  On the other hand, the
night sky, the animation and video, the lighting, the sound, and the
crowd itself may just be enough to change my mind someday soon.  Time
makes me forget the bad stuff, like the six hours of traffic around a
five hour show.  Leaving the stadium, I remembered a little sticker that
Mystery gave me over twelve years ago.

"There is nothing like a Grateful Dead Concert."

tim

23.759don't get too down on stadiums; buffalo is one of the best, imhoROCK::CAMPR::FROMMGUMBO!!!Tue Jun 15 1993 16:1323
>What perverse architect would design a stadium for 
>over 60,000 seats, without thinking of the traffic implications?  
>My only answer to this question was inevitable: morons.

the key to dealing with the rich stadium traffic is to avoid it; i've been
there 3 times now ('89, '92, and '93), and i have yet to park in the official
lot; for $10 you can park in fields located behind the stadium that are much
quicker to get to, have more grass than gravel, and have a very mellow and
relaxed scene (private property means no cops and no security guards
whatsoever), although the official parking lot scene is pretty relaxed too; the
trek to the stadium is a short, pleasant (although somewhat hilly) walk
through the woods and over (or through, if you're hot) a stream

i've also never had the misfortune of having to wait in traffic on the
interstate; i've always arrived through Orchard Park on 20A; even if i was
arriving on the thruway, i'd probably get off before buffalo and make my way
down to 20A

oh yeah, i had a good time (with one noteable exception) but don't have time
to write a detailed review right now (but mike probably has loads of free time,
right?)

- rich
23.760My Buffalo weekend in 50 words or less...BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Tue Jun 15 1993 16:2614
    A super quick rundown while I have a few minutes:
    
    Had a great weekend.....drove down with Rich and Mike and stayed with
    one of Rich's friends in Orchard Park...Got to the stadium early Sunday
    and parked in somebody's field behind the stadium...unfortunately we 
    parked next to the wrong people but that's another story...My highlights 
    of the show were Minglewood, Cassidy, and Days Between (I really like this 
    song!  Too slow to dance to though)...I Fought the Law made me want to 
    gack because I've seen it too much....oh - and Bobby was trying to look 
    cool by sporting sunglasses throughout the night....;)  
    
    More later....
    
    :), danielle
23.761TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonTue Jun 15 1993 16:3012
    
    the worst show traffic ever was at Brent's last shows in Tinley Park,
    IL.  Show traffic actually closed the thruway - we sat there for hours
    and hours - folks were skateboarding and vending on the actual thruway. 
    I've never seen anything like it.  We were staying about 1/2 hr. tops from
    the venue and left at least 3 hours before show time (probably more -
    I don't really remember) and still missed the first 3 or 4 songs. 
    Unbelievable.  Luckily, friends in the hotel found a back route they
    turned us on to for the other nights.  Even if the venue didn't now
    hold such obvious awful memories, I would never ever return.  
    
    
23.762VXTST6::BOURDESSTue Jun 15 1993 16:5635
>to write a detailed review right now (but mike probably has loads of free time,
>right?)
    
    what makes you say that Rich? :-)
    
    About the whole traffic experience, I must say we had very little
    trouble with it.  The fact that we got to Orchard Park the night before
    probably had alot to do with it.  When we were getting close to
    the venue though, Rich presented the plan mentioned a couple notes
    back.  I disagreed, but we went anyways, and now I realize I was wrong.
    
    As was mentioned, or rather hinted at, we did have the misfortune of
    parking next to some real assh*les.  One of the people felt the need to
    liberate Rich's backpack which contained just about everything he
    brought.  If Rich's ticket and wallet wasn't in his pocket, he probably 
    would've had a nervous breakdown.  Luckily though, while Danielle was
    in a near-sleeping state, she overheard the culprits talking about
    where they stashed the backpack.  Danieele and I then rifled through
    the woods and recovered the pack.  I bet the people next to us were
    surprised to see us with it.
    
    I thought the show was grate for the most part.  A lot of good dancin'
    tunes.  I really liked the Minglewood and the Sampson.  The first set
    seemed very long, and the second set kinda' short.  It was the first
    time for Days between for me.  I didn't really get into it, but it'll
    probably take a couple of passes first.  That night was the first time
    I heard broken arrow and actually liked it.  I also thought the
    shortage of cheesy bobby tunes was a plus.
    
    Lastly I'd like to say that all my pre-conceptions about I fought the
    law seemed true.  Short, repetitive and kind of a weak encore all around
    IMHO (of course).  Sorry if my thoughts were scattered, just
    recollectin' to my best ability....
    
    	Mike
23.763ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Jun 15 1993 16:598
    I have to agree with the tinley park traffic.  Unbelievable I was lucky
    I was with two Chicago natives that knew a backway and we ended up 
    bypassing a looooong wait.  Still took three plus hours drive that
    should have taken 45 min to an hour.  Soldiers is a much better place
    for a show in chicago even if it is a stadium.
    
    :-)
    Scott
23.764MRNGDU::YETTOthe future is hereTue Jun 15 1993 18:0345
Hey ... OK a quick review of Giants/Buffalo for me ....

of all three I'd say Saturday's Giants show was the best.  My only comment on
Easy Answer was hey ... if it's gonna make them play Music Never stopped more
I won't complain .. I was psyched to hear that despite how confused I got when
the split it up for something no one knew.  Also the Scarlet/Fire was
cooking!  I tried to give Eternity a fair second chance but ended up laughing
more than the first time I heard it!

then came the guy who jumped at the start of drums.  Dave saw him out of the
corner of his eye as he was sitting down (we were two rows in front of where
he landed).  Major bummer!  Especially for the woman he landed on.  There were
plenty of rumors about what happened and even thier injuries but I just can't
imagine falling over a plexiglass shield which is up to your chest.  We had to
evacuate our seats throughout drums and most of space and then I sat back down
and tried to remember where I was and that I was having a good time.

and to whoever commented about Phil giving up Broken Arrow I agree.  It just
didn't seem to fit.

Sunday was my first time hearing Liberty as well ... I liked it!

Buffalo was fun .. it was HOT that day which didn't make my hangover too
pleasant.  I don't think I have ever seen as many people inside for the opening
act as I did for Sting that day.  Jerry played the last song with him!  :-)
Highlights of that night are Looks Like Rain ... the arrangement is slightly
different and Bobby played an acoustic!  It was sweet.  By the way, as
mentioned before .. 20A is the best route into Buffalo but ssssssshhhh, it's a
secret!  ;^) 

There was a very interesting phenomena which I noticed at Buffalo ... the
balloons all seemed to be travelling together with a mind of thier own!  Really!
This isn't another pink tree thing, other people noticed it too!  :-)  All the 
balloons in the stadium were loosely grouped and travelling high above the
crowd (I suspect in some sort of wind tunnel).  Then they went away for a few
songs (above me in the 300s maybe - I couldn't tell) and came back for Deal.
They eventually left again which upset me because I was really enjoying them
but it was fun while it lasted.  :-)  Did anyone else notice?

By the way, Jerry has lost alot of weight and has lots of extra skin now which
just kinda hangs out and makes him look old.  Good and bad I suppose.  He was
definitely dancing (as in moving both feet, picking them up, moving his knees
and possibly even his hips!) and smiling at all three shows, even when he 
played with Sting!
23.765CSCMA::M_PECKARLive together, Play togetherTue Jun 15 1993 19:202
Thanks for the reviews...
23.766CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 15 1993 20:438
    ditto the "thanks fer the reviews"
    
    why would those guys wnat to steal yer backpack? the outside design, or
    didthey think yer tixs were inside?? In the 10 years I've been seein
    the dead, I've never witnessed a theft of "bad-vibe" thing, in fact
    just the opposite! when things were lost, they were returned!
    
    rfb
23.767unfortunately it's just not safe to be too trusting of strangers :^(ROCK::CAMPR::FROMMGUMBO!!!Tue Jun 15 1993 21:2034
>    why would those guys wnat to steal yer backpack?

the guy stole it (well, i can't say for certain that he stole it since i didn't
see it happen, but i'm about 99% certain) because i had something that a) he
didn't, b) he wanted, and c) i repeatedly told him that he couldn't have,
especially since he was being so damn obnoxious and wouldn't stop bugging me

the backpack was sitting at the right rear corner of my car, about 3 feet
(literally) from where i was at the time; i turned to check on the grill and
turn the chicken, and the next time that i went to go to the backpack, it was
gone

upon retrieving the backpack (which was stashed in the woods nearby), all of
the zippers were open (indicating that someone went searching for something)
and everything was still there (which comes to several hundred dollars worth of
possessions when you include the price of the pack) except for the one item
that this guy wanted

- rich

p.s. and, believe it or not, as i came to the realization that my backpack was
gone, and i was in the process of tearing my car apart trying to find where the
hell i put it (when i was sure that it had been right next to me), the guy came
up to me once again bugging me for the item; when i tried to tell him that
there was no way that he could have it because the backpack had been stolen (a
fact that was obvious to everybody else there who could visibly see how upset i
was and were showing genuine concern), this guy hands me a line like, "fine, if
you don't want to, just say so; you don't have to make up a story that it was
stolen"; what an asshole; i'm usually a pretty easy-going guy, but (as mike can
tell you, and much to his worry) i was really on the verge of getting violent;
the only thing that probably stopped me was the fact that this guy was much
sufficiently larger than i was

- rich
23.768i still had a good time, but this was quite a bummerROCK::CAMPR::FROMMGUMBO!!!Tue Jun 15 1993 21:258
one more thing about the backpack incident...

in case you're reading the last reply and thinking, "yeah, maybe he took it,
but that's all just circumstantial evidence," there were other things that
happened that lead me to conclude that he took it, but i really don't feel like
elaborating any more; i'd rather just put it behind me and move on (to rfk !!!)

- rich
23.769the guy musta voted for BushSPICE::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithWed Jun 16 1993 12:039
    Rich,
    
    Well at least you got back your pack and the other stuff you own, to
    bad that had to happen......and I glad to hear you kept your cool,
    nothing worse then getting the sh!t kicked out of yourself by an a$$hole
    I perfur to get the sh!t kicked out of myself by a good friend, it means
    more ! :')
    
    Chris
23.770EBBV03::SMITHSo many roads tease my soulWed Jun 16 1993 12:289
	Rich,

	Your behavior was most controlled....personally I 
	wouldn't have let the s.o.b. leave Buffulo in 
	one piece. ;-)

		
			- Deane
23.771CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 16 1993 13:333
    rich --thanks fer the elobrate explanation--think positive thoughts....
    the guy wasn't a true deadhead...
    rfb
23.772CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 16 1993 13:393
    a Stranger opener in Kentucky??? wonder why!!!! %^)
    
    rfb
23.773NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Jun 16 1993 14:407
Rich,

Just remember those immortal words of Pat Nixon:

	"What a Dick!"

tim
23.774Buffalo: one thumb up, one thumb down :)MAST::DUTTONInspiration, move me brightly...Wed Jun 16 1993 17:5421
At the risk of being labeled a heretic :) :) :), I have to say
that I found the Buffalo show somehow... disappointing.  It started
off with a nice first set (love that "cowboy" music!), but it never
felt like the second set "gelled".  They were pretty loose through
the whole thing.  The equipment problems that Bobby had throughout
the second set probably didn't help any.

The brevity of the second set was made worse by one of the longest
(20 minutes by my watch), dullest Drums/Space I've ever seen/heard.

And then there was the sound mix... not loud enough for that stadium
by far, and rather oddly balanced.  With Healy doing the mixing 
on-stage, perhaps he can't hear what it's like on the field/in the
stands?

Ah well... I've been to "good" shows and "bad" shows, and this
wasn't the worst.  And even a "bad" show beats no show at all!

	-Todd
 
p.s. I did like Sting's set; he had the crowd jumpin' to "Purple Haze"!
23.775Bjrd Man Alert!BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Thu Jun 17 1993 13:104
    And did I mention that there were 2 bird men (almost) in Buffalo? 
    Some people do stupid things without thinking about what *could* happen....
    
    :), d
23.776BuffaloEDWIN::HINEMon Jun 21 1993 19:3625
Short input on Buffalo

The Allentown area is kinda cool, partied at a bar called Gabriels Gate

I really liked the show and unlike many, I think Sting added alot, he's definately in a 
different frame of mind than he was in Giants.  I look forward to seeing him in
RFK. Cool Blackbird

My highlight was Looks Like Rain and Truckin'
Disappointed in Samson and Delilah> was't enough energy.
Really like Lazy River Road and the other new Jerry song, and Finally heard and liked Broken
Arrow.


I noticed the ballon thing too, kinda eerie, they seemed to travel around the stadium in a 
flock through the whole show!!


Best route to Rich Stadium, Route 219 to Orchard Park road, no traffic at all.

See ya in DC
Jeff

BTW: Hello to the guy from TCP/IP engineering, Said a big hello on the floor when I noticed 
DEChead shirt but forgot the name.
23.777QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Jun 24 1993 16:4610
re:    Wednesday, June 23, 1993 - Deer Creek, Noblesville IN
    
    I: Good Times, Hell in a Bucket, Lazy River Road, Stuck Inside of
       ^^^^^^^^^^

as in "Let the Good Times Roll"?  Who sang?

I wouldn't mind hearing the theme to "Good Times" :-)

adam
23.778VXTST6::BOURDESSThu Jun 24 1993 17:136
    Doesn't Jerry usually sing LTGTR?  Well, actually I think theres
    multiple vocals.  Bob does "it might be twelve o'clock and it might be
    8".  But I think during the refrain Jerry's voice overpowers the
    others.
    
    	Mike
23.779RFKEBBCLU::SMITHSo many roads tease my soulTue Jun 29 1993 14:3056
	Greetings

	RFK this year proved to be an excellent pair of shows.

	Some highlights:

	The setlists were pretty much usual type stuff but was
	played really well.  Friday night I ran into GerG in the 
	parking lot and after some serious partyin (and Yogi'n)
	we blasted into the show and hit the floor....the sound
	where we sat was premier (I guess Ger knows these things).
	The Cumberland had an incredible jug band sound, and really
	took off well with Bruce sitting in on accordian (which 
	he did for all of both shows).  Promised Land was plyed with 
	the same finess as Cumberland....I felt pretty folky after 
	that first set.  China -> Rider was rippin and the band seemed 
	to hold out strong until after a real long D/S, it took them 
	until Sugar Mag to boot it back up again. Bruce sang during the 
	Weight and he really couldn't stop bobbing, bouncing and grinning.

	Ger took off after the show, he wasn't up for crashing at the 
	hotel....didn't see him Saturday at all???.....One of the people
	I went with was acting like an idiot so I headed to the 
	disco R.V. and boogied my ass off to Saturday Night Fever
	and the Bee Gees!!!!!! very fun! :-) Lots of people!

	Sat. night the sound wasn't as excellent and I wish I had 
	sat where I did the night before.  Brown Eyed Women and 
	Birdsong were wild, but other than that no major highlights
	in the first set.  The second set fooled us cause we were all
	expecting Eyes....but Aiko instead...I guess all the songs
	they played had to be "accordian friendly", and that they were.
	Way to go Home was totally hot and had the crowd riled...The 
	Last Time was the best version I've ever heard, Saturday Night
	was the usual, but still really punchy and accurate.  Liberty
	was just incredible....I had heard this before in Albany but
	from my perspective - way out, straight ahead from the stage,
	it sounded great, looked great, felt great, it was grate!

	Branford was in town but he was doing a show right up the 
	street and could not make it.

	I went back to disco R.V. and boogied....hundreds of people there 
	this time.... We are Family!!!! (Sister Sledge) :-)


				- Deane

	
	
	

	 

	
23.780What about TerapinBIGBAD::HINETue Jun 29 1993 19:4512
Also thought the Saturday show was great but by far 
the highlight for me was Playin>Terapin, 
particularly the Terapin since I dreamed about it and
called it during Playin Jam, really!!!!

That strange ballon clustering thing happened again,
I think they've become self actualized.

BTW  I really hope there's a new album soon,  I like all
the new songs alot!!!

Jeff
23.781CSCMA::M_PECKARTwo pints make one cavortTue Jun 29 1993 20:597
>That strange ballon clustering thing happened again,
>I think they've become self actualized.

:-)

They're all just trying to tell the boys to play "The Rubber Tree Song".  :-)
23.782Jerry w/StingJUPITR::OCONNORSWed Jun 30 1993 11:299
    
     I went in and saw most of Sting's set saturday....Jerry came out
    and played on "Walking on the Moon", then they went into a blues
    tune and half way into it, Don Henley came out and sang one verse
    and left. "Walking on the Moon" sounded really cool, Jerry was playing
    some jazzy spacey leads that reminded me of the jam in the middle of
    "Don't Let Go".
    
    Sean
23.783it is balloon!NRSTA2::CLARKWed Jun 30 1993 13:2413
re       <<< Note 23.781 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "Two pints make one cavort" >>>


>>That strange ballon clustering thing happened again,
>>I think they've become self actualized.
>
>:-)
>
>They're all just trying to tell the boys to play "The Rubber Tree Song".  :-)

Or "Up, Up and Away" ....

Anything but "99 Red Balloons," please!
23.784yes, we're sick...QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyWed Jun 30 1993 14:376
> Anything but "99 Red Balloons," please!

Back when that was popular, we munged the title into "99 Dead Baboons".
It gave a whole new light on the song ;-)

PeterT
23.785NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Jun 30 1993 15:264
    I don't remember that EVER being popular...:-)
    
    tim
    
23.786Autzen Stadium, Aug. 21-22GUIDUK::FLOODstronger than dirtTue Aug 24 1993 18:0966
The weather cooperated both days.  Saturday started out cloudy, but 
cleared up by about 3.  Sunday was clear all day, just getting cloudy as 
the show ended.  Both days were hot by Oregon standards (80 degrees 
maybe) and there were a lot of cases of heat passout.  There was a good 
breeze blowing both days else it would have been worse for heat 
exhaustion.

Indigo Girls were very impressive.  I am not that deep into their music 
so I only recognized a couple of songs but I liked all of what I heard.  
They opened with Galileo on Saturday and closed with Closer To Fine with 
no encore; on Sunday they reversed it (Closer to Fine opened, Galileo 
closed) with Get Together (the old Youngbloods song) as encore.  Very 
good and both have strong expressive voices and great guitar playing.  
Short sets both days though (40 minutes on Saturday).

Fairly lengthy delays both days between the Indigo girls and the Dead.  
Once they got onstage though they plunged into it with a minimum of 
setup and tuning.  Jerry wore dark (black or very dark blue) T and 
shorts both days plus what looked like black socks.  Bobby in 
conventional T and shorts Saturday but went for tanktop and hotpants on 
Sunday.  At least it looked that way from the far 30-yard line.  Phil 
was playing a white, 4-string bass on Saturday, switched back to dark 
6-string bass on Sunday.  Couldn't hardly make out Bill or Mickey, even 
with binoculars.  Vince looked cool and breezy in aloha shirts -- looked 
like same shirt both days.  Also looked rather thin like he had lost 
weight.

Saturday show: Here Comes Sunshine surprised the crowd.  Good harmonies 
especially for an opener.  Kind of a slow first set until Bird Song 
which really took off.  Second set was really hot.  Great China Cat>I 
Know You Rider.  Truckin' was good.  Huey Lewis was onstage for most of 
the second set but didn't contribute much.  Excellent Standing On The 
Moon, with the "I'd rather be with you" verse sung repeatedly and loudly 
as if Jerry was apologizing to Eugene for not being there last year.  I 
Fought The Law was a neat encore, took the crowd by surprise.

Sunday show: Jack Straw opener really got the crowd going.  Jerry's 
mike wasn't working until part way through his first verse but nobody 
seemed to care.  Bob was having trouble with his guitar during the song, 
in fact he walked offstage during the first instrumental break so Jerry 
kept things going with a really long jam which the crowd loved.  Bob 
came back, they finished the song but he was still having problems.  
Jerry took off on Bertha and shortly after Bob was back, plugged in and 
all technical difficulties fixed.  Good Little Red Rooster.  Phil's song 
Broken Arrow was kind of slow.  Rest of first set was well-played, 
especially Tennessee Jed and then into The Music Never Stopped, which was 
a great way to end the set.  Second set started with a great Help On The 
Way > Slipknot > Franklin's Tower and Jerry REMEMBERED ALL THE WORDS!!!  
Really great.  Good Ship of Fools though rather slow, then Corrina which 
I really liked, they "ended" it with some weird rhythmic stuff which of 
course led into Drums.  They came out of Space (long and rambling) into 
The Wheel, into I Need A Miracle then closing out with Not Fade Away.  
Encore was a song I had not heard before.

The vending scene was strong.  Lots bigger it seemed than the last time
they played Autzen in 1990.  A group called the Deadicated Volunteers
were there to cut back on the things that caused all the negative
publicity last time; whether they were successful remains to be seen. 
I hope they and the crowd did a good enough job keeping things clean 
that we don't have to worry about another ban on the Dead at UO.

All in all, I had a great time.  My last two shows before leaving 
Digital.

Chuck
    
23.787CXDOCS::BARNESTue Aug 24 1993 18:194
    thanks Chuck -- I wuz lookin for a review..deadicated voluntyeers eh???
    hmmmm..... know anyone who taped?
    
    rfb
23.788Eugene.... :-)ISLNDS::CONNORS_MTue Aug 24 1993 20:0345
    
    I arrived in Oregon Friday afternoon - lots of heads on my
    connecting flight in Denver.  Went right to the Hilton in
    Eugene and got Radiator tickets for Saturday night!!  :-)
    Headed to the coast for some beach camping, that was really
    nice.  The traffic getting to the show on Saturday was 
    really bad, but we found an alternate route that cut out most
    of it and we were in!  :-)  
    
    First set on Saturday was really pretty short, like Chuck
    said, Birdsong picked it up though.  Really sweat Birdsong.
    Second set smoked from beginning to end.  Nice China Rider!
    There were some people with huge sunflowers dancing around
    on the floor right up front having a ball during that!
    Jerry really got into Standing on the Moon (as did the crowd!)
    Then into the too predictable Saturday night...  
    I don't really like I fought the Law... it's pretty boring...
    especially as an encore.  Oh well....  
    
    Sunday's show was a real sweety!  :-)  Jack Straw Bertha
    Rooster Althea Masterpiece Jed and MNS!  Whew!  The crowd was
    going nuts!  :-)  Phil's voice was really sqeakin on Broken
    Arrow!  ;-/  I think Mick should sing it!  ;-)  
    
    Second set kept right up with first!  HSF and Samson!  A little
    reverse of what they did in Vegas.  
    Nice Wheel out of a long space and a hoppin very loud Miracle!
    
    My feet are very happy after this weekend!  :-)
    
    Zero and the Radiators were at the Hilton and that was quite
    a hot show too.  Zero was pretty good, but I actually like
    the tape I have better than what I saw live.  I guess it's just
    one of those things.  Radiators were great.  
    
    The scene in Eugene was one of the best I've ever seen.  
    Camping EVERYWHERE and ANYWHERE!  The crowd was commended for
    it's behavior on Saturday.  I'm sure the mess was incredible
    but as far as problems go, I have a feeling it was minimal.  
    I'd go back in a heartbeat!!!  
    
    I think I'm getting hooked on the shows out west....  
    
    MJ  
    
23.789ZENDIA::FERGUSONYour recipe is so tastyWed Aug 25 1993 17:0512
re            <<< Note 23.786 by GUIDUK::FLOOD "stronger than dirt" >>>
                        -< Autzen Stadium, Aug. 21-22 >-

>All in all, I had a great time.  My last two shows before leaving 
>Digital.


You're leaving DEC???   on your own??  where ya goin' mon??


btw, nice review!  sure wish i could have made that one but, i only have
1 10-year high school reunion and that was this past w-end.
23.790When was the last Black Peter before this one?LANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Sep 09 1993 12:5214
>>       Richfield, Ohio 9/8/93
    
>>    Space->I Need A Miracle-> Black Peter-> Sugar Magnolia  E: The Weight
    
Ok,  Black Peter's back.  When was the last one?  I poked thru a few notes
in 62.* but wasn't patient enough or overlooked it.

I used to like that song a lot, then they played it to death in the mid-80's
and then it was put away and pops up on occasion and I haven't seen it since.
So Mr/Ms. "Got a deadbase in my brain", when was the last?

thx
bob

23.791CXDOCS::BARNESThu Sep 09 1993 14:193
    how bout Fennerio?? I've never heard it done!
    
    rfb
23.792re .-1GOOROO::DCLARKwhere the shadows run from themselvesThu Sep 09 1993 14:243
    Fennario is the same as Peggy-O
    
    - Dave
23.793CXDOCS::BARNESThu Sep 09 1993 14:353
    (BLUSH)
    
    rfb (who's heard it MANY times and is a dummy)
23.7946/11MR4MI2::REHILLCall Me Mystery HillThu Sep 09 1993 14:4112
    
    	The last Black Peter was 
    
    June 11, 1993    Buckeye Lake, Oh
    
    1) Jack Straw, Foolish Heart, The Same Thing, Lazy River Road,
    Tom Thumb's Blues, Masterpiece, So Many Roads, Promised Land.
    
    2) Eyes Of The World, Playing In The Band->Uncle John's Band->Corinna->
    Drums->Space->Wheel->Watchtower->  BLACK PETER->    Sugar Magnolia
    E:  Brokedown Palace
                                                                   
23.795AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulThu Sep 09 1993 15:442
	Hummmmm.....similar type of setlist!
23.796summertimes gonna come and go, my oh my!!QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Sep 09 1993 16:198
yeah, TimTim, who posted the set list to the dead-head mailing list
wondered when the last Foolish Heart was.  Which is also in that
June 11 setlist.  Not so long ago it seems to me, unless of course
your particular summer has seemed to last like years.

Mine aint over yet!  I go by the calendar, still two weeks away!

PeterT
23.797QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Sep 09 1993 16:226
I like Black Peter, too.  Of course, I didn't see them in the mid-80's, so I
wouldn't mind Day Job either!  I've probably seen about 5-6 Black Peters.

At first I thought Fennario was Dire Wolf!  Both DW and P-O mention Fennario.

adam
23.798LANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Sep 09 1993 17:0715
   <<< Note 23.797 by QUIVER::SIEGEL "The revolution wil not be televised" >>>
>I like Black Peter, too.  Of course, I didn't see them in the mid-80's, so I
>wouldn't mind Day Job either!  I've probably seen about 5-6 Black Peters.

Yea,  I dunno how the stats would be but it *seemed* like every or every
other show I went to had a Black Peter.  It's an excellent song.

>At first I thought Fennario was Dire Wolf!  Both DW and P-O mention Fennario.

Every read anything by Steven Brust?  He's written a book or two (namely
Brokedown Palace) that take place there....

bob

ps.  thanks MrRehill for the last time played.
23.799?DLNVAX::ROBERTSThu Sep 09 1993 17:259
    remember the ill-fated hartford->worcester run of '88 where jerry
    croaked his way through the 6ix shows?  Wasn't that the last time
    they played worcester? anyway - Jerry did Black Peter in both towns
    nearly back to back - how shocking!  He was so sick omigawd his
    voice sounded like he gargled with liquid plumber that afternoon.
    the feeling was '....don't sing jerrrrrrrrrrry'
                         
    or do I have the wrong year :-}
    
23.800sends a chill don't itSLOHAN::FIELDSStrange BrewThu Sep 09 1993 17:3335
23.801MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Sep 09 1993 17:355
	I think you have the right year Carol, but it was back to back
	Black Peter's in *Worcester*, not Worcester/Hartford.  The centrum
	sure was quiet for the 2nd one ;-)  Not the greatest of tours...

	Ken
23.802STUDIO::IDEblood, sweat, and gearsThu Sep 09 1993 17:5014
    But it WAS the greatest of tours.  The Hampton and Brendan Byrne shows
    (just before Hartford) were the best I've seen.  Jerry's voice was by
    far the strongest I'd ever heard in person, and it made all the
    difference.  Before the first Hartford show, I was raving to everyone
    about his singing and how they'd be blown away -- and he completely
    croaked.  Apparently he came down with tour cold on the bus from
    Jersey.
    
    Hampton featured the aborted "Stir It Up," the return of "To Lay Me
    Down," a snippet of "So What," and Bobby actually playing the intro to
    "China Cat."  Plus the Scarlet>Fire that made my heart explode and
    spray the inside of my chest with hot blood!
    
    Jamie
23.803CXDOCS::BARNESThu Sep 09 1993 18:393
    jeez, sounds like i need that hampton tape!
    
    rfb
23.804good one JamieMKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRdust off those rusty stringsThu Sep 09 1993 18:495
    re: .802
    wow - Jamie - what a great descriptor!  I know EXACTLY the feeling 
    you mean.  you oughta TM that one
    
    
23.805sick, sick, sicker...ROADKL::INGALLSmay the four winds blow you home againThu Sep 09 1993 19:1415
>>    remember the ill-fated hartford->worcester run of '88 where jerry
>>    croaked his way through the 6ix shows?  Wasn't that the last time
>>    they played worcester? anyway - Jerry did Black Peter in both towns
>>    nearly back to back - how shocking!  He was so sick omigawd his
>>    voice sounded like he gargled with liquid plumber that afternoon.
>>    the feeling was '....don't sing jerrrrrrrrrrry'


Yeah that's what I think of when I hear Black Peter - a sick Jerry, getting
sicker - wasn't he hospitalized shortly thereafter?

Or are my years blending together???

Glennnn
23.806ZENDIA::FERGUSONYour recipe is so tastyThu Sep 09 1993 21:156
Hey carol - i think you hooked me up with tix for the hahtfid show in '88.
that day, i came off a cruise ship in miami after partying for 7 days
straight, flew to new york, drove from long island to hahtfid, and saw a
show.... i was spent!!  i do remember jerry being pretty beat himself.  


23.807Yup, that was eighty eightMILKWY::SAMPSONDriven by the windFri Sep 10 1993 12:018
    And the towing company was so shocked that 20 Deadheads walked a mile 
    and a half to pick up their cars. Like they expected us to drive or
    something!
    
    I was sick for the Worcester show and the Slipknot afterwards across
    the street.
    
    Geoff
23.808AND the boyz don't play there nemore,newayMKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRdust off those rusty stringsFri Sep 10 1993 14:0213
    
    RE: .806 - yup JC, I remember we were on the floor and you came sliding
    in as lights went down!  Also there was a guy behind us who we usta
    always see at Chet's - a Dylan freak (that'll narrow it down!).  If my
    memory serves me well,  it was the show Bobby did a wicked as_in_wicked
    imitation/take off on Dylan's voice and style during Memphis.  
    
    Re: .807 I remember that trek to the impounded car lot.  that was an
    expensive show - first we paid to park in a non-lot and then we
    paid $$ to the tow guys to get the cars out of the pound.  those boys 
    were not copacetic.
    
    carol
23.809free parking near Centrum!!QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyFri Sep 10 1993 14:1817
I remember getting shut out for those shows, though I hit the parking lot
scene for a little while, and then sped home to tape the shows on WCUW.
Not too bad to hear in your living room, though one night the broadcasters
messed up the beginning of one set.  They were talking, and in the background
you could hear the boys starting up, "Ok, sounds like they're starting, 
let's switch back to the band"  Silence.... "oops"  Band comes back in.
Pretty funny actually.

Gee, I always park for free at the Centrum, at least after certain hours.
If you go past the vending scene in the parking lot across the street
from the Centrum, over the tracks, and up a block, there's a huge
Post Office building with parking on the side.  Parking is restricted 
until about 6PM.  Never failed to find a spot there.  Since the boys
don't show up there anymore, I guess it's cool to let you in on it ;-)
This road is parallel to Rte 290.

PeterT
23.810AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulFri Sep 10 1993 14:273
	I was blessed with a ticket, thanks to a police officer, at that
	show!!!! :-)
23.811STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Mon Sep 20 1993 15:0227
>================================================================================
>Note 62.240          Grateful Dead Setlists (No Discussion)           240 of 240
>CSCMA::M_PECKAR "life is a carnival"                 11 lines  20-SEP-1993 09:47
>                            -< Saturday MSG REX >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>MSG 9/1/893 Setlist

>Mississippi 1/2 Step->Little Red Rooster, ALthea, Masterpeice
>Brown Eyed Women, Cassidy, Loose Lucy

>Iko, Victim-> Unle John's band-> Corinna-> Drums/SPace->
>Wheel-> Watchtower-> China Doll-> One More Saturday Night

>Gloria

    Looks like a good show.  But, tickets were more expensive for this one
    because it was a benefit.  Do you feel cheated because you got a
    regular show at a higher price?  Should they have had someone sit in,
    an opening act, or something special to justify the price?  The Dead
    make big bucks, why can't they take $5 less per ticket profit instead
    of jacking up the ticket price?
    
    Just a discussion topic, I don't have strong feelings about it, though
    I'm somewhat bummed that the Arkestra was cancelled.
    
    Jamie
23.812NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 20 1993 15:3310
Valid point.  Is there an opening act on Saturday, or is it just another
show?

Certainly expect the scene outside to be a zoo - benefit show and a
Saturday night in Boston...if the weather's good, the Garden ought to be
a major managerie.

I'm thinking seriously of taking the T in from Alewife.

tim
23.813CSCMA::M_PECKARlife is a carnivalMon Sep 20 1993 15:4623
I don't feel cheated at all: in fact, because there wasn't any special 
guests, more money goes to the Rex Foundation since GDP doesn't have to pay 
the extra artists, their crews, and the Musicians' Union, etc.

I _was_ kinda hoping for a double encore, or a surprise guest: in fact
there were rumors in the pit of Mick Jagger showing up: something about him
having been seen with band members earlier that day. 

I've been to many Rex shows which were indeed disapointing: the '89 Greek 
shows come to mind right away: no special guests, Jerry's voice played out, 
and general lack of tightness in the band. I didn't feel cheated back then
either, knowing that the extra cost was going to a good cause.

My feeling is that you really can't go in expecting a certain level of
performance. After all, these guys _are_ getting really old, and 
you have to have balance the fact that they have their on nights and off 
nights with the fact that what they are doing is still, for the most part, 
a grand experiment subject to its own successes or failures.

A dead ticket purchase is certainly a gamble: and a gambler who feels
ripped-off by being dealt a face card over a 13 isn't going to last very
long at the tables anyhow. :-) 
23.814BOWS::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Sep 20 1993 17:0612
I didn't feel cheated by the extra $5 ticket price.  Although it is a good
point that the boys could have forked over an extra $5 per ticket that they are
putting into their own bank accounts.  But isn't it true that because it's a
"benefit", they boys are not taking home any money?  Are they donating every
cent GDP makes (after overhead costs) to Rex?  If so, they are just trying to
squeeze an extra $5 for a worthy cause from everyone.

Maybe that's why they pulled out the Gloria.  They thought it was a standard
show and wanted to do something special the audience could take home with them. 
Plus do something that *everyone* in the audience knew :-)

adam
23.815CXDOCS::BARNESMon Sep 20 1993 17:442
    I don't think ALL goes to Rex, only a percentage...could be wrong...
    rfb
23.816TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonMon Sep 20 1993 17:5311
    
    I think all the tickets are too expensive, but maybe I'm just buying
    too many of them.  :-)  Bring back the $15 deadshow!!
    
    All in all - three very solid shows, imo.  I liked Thursday best, then
    Friday, then Saturday.  Nice to finally catch another Gloria - I hadn't
    heard one since Richmond '85.
    
    Hope series 2 holds up as well!
    
    
23.817bring back THESE prices! :60STRATA::DWESTreality is not...Mon Sep 20 1993 18:4110
    the $15 deadshow??  :^)
    
    when i caught my first show, i dug down deep and came up with the extra
    money for the "good" seats...  $8...  was only working a part time job
    in high school...  couldn't afford the REALLY good seats...  $9...
    
    at least i wasn't up in the rafters with the cheapskates who were only
    able to come up with $7...  :^)
    
    					da ve
23.818take a step backMKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRdust off those rusty stringsMon Sep 20 1993 18:535
    
    speaking of prices .. remember just two - three years ago when floor
    seats were more expensive than the not_for_floor seats?
    
    c
23.819BIODTL::JCgoing where the chilly winds blowMon Sep 20 1993 20:117
Cheapest I ever paid thru GDTS was $13 a tik or so;  SPAC...  lawn seat!

I also remembe paying $10 for U2, $9.50 for van halen.. etc.

Jack cutler tells me a story of when he saw the dead at the tea party: something
like $2.50 and they stamped yer hand at da door!

23.820PCOJCT::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleMon Sep 20 1993 21:2110
    I must be getting old - my first Dead show was $5.00!
    
    I thought the Sat nite show was pretty good - and the Gloria encore was
    a real treat!
    
    Did anyone notice how Billy got up from his drum kit just as Bobby was
    starting into One More Sat Nite?  He was really quick to get back to
    his seat! (without missing hardly one beat!)
    
    Fredda
23.821AKOCOA::DMITCHELLjust might be ur kinda zooTue Sep 21 1993 13:098
    
    Phyllis,
    
    Tell us more about Jerry's daughter Edie sittin' in w/ the boys..
    
    she sound good,play the guitar..???
    
    Don
23.822AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulTue Sep 21 1993 13:124
	That setlist is rippin!!!!

	As a matter of fact...I'm jealous!
23.823will she come to Beantown?SALEM::BURNShow's 'bout a war on violence!Tue Sep 21 1993 13:164
    Wow!! Jerry's daughter finally sitting in with them!!! ;^) ;^)
    
    Yes! Phyllis. Pray tell us more!!!
    
23.824Wisea$$ meSLOHAN::FIELDSStrange BrewTue Sep 21 1993 13:186
    I don't care about Jerry's daughter, what I wanna know is when will REX
    sit in with them ?
    
    Chris
    
    
23.825acronymically impairedBSS::MNELSONWon't ya try just a little bit harderTue Sep 21 1993 13:468
    
    Hey Phyllis,
      In the encore you have TNK.  For the acronymically impaired, what 
    does that stand for?
    
    	mark 
    
     It does look like an awesome show!
23.826Is From the Heart of Me next? :-)PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastTue Sep 21 1993 13:527
Edie helping out on vocals on GDTRFB???

Help!  I just flashed back to the 1974 Dead Movie and Miss Donna Jean Godchaux!


Josh
23.827could be !SLOHAN::FIELDSStrange BrewTue Sep 21 1993 13:584
    hummmm that explains why after I read that set list my ears were
    ringing !
    
    :')
23.828AKOCOA::DMITCHELLjust might be ur kinda zooTue Sep 21 1993 14:217
    
    re.825 mark
    
    TNK= Tomorrow Never Knows ( A Beatles tune)
    
    
    
23.829Muchas graciasBSS::MNELSONWon't ya try just a little bit harderTue Sep 21 1993 14:454
    
    Thanks - I never would have guessed that one.
    
    	More coffeee please
23.830TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonTue Sep 21 1993 17:2927
    
    okay I'm back.  Didn't have time for more than a quick list post
    before.
    
    Well, first of all, I was in the hall taking a walk with a friend so I
    missed space. :-/  We must've been standing in some space were the
    sound was totally blocked cause we rounded the corner and realized the
    band was already playing The Other One.  We couldn't believe it.. we
    hadn't heard anything.  When we got inside, Edie was on stage and our
    friends told us she had come out during space and started doing some
    weird vocal improv.. just a lot of sounds and stuff.. but you could
    tell it was her immediately (very distinctive voice.)  She never played
    an instrument - just sang.  She stayed on during The Other One but just
    stood there, didn't sing or anything.  But then she sang with them
    during GDTRFB and that was great.  I'm really bummed I missed the space
    - it was probably very cool.  
    
    GDTRFB and the Dew were both spectacular, although I haven't heard
    either in a long time so I was easy to please. :-)  First set
    highlights - well, of course the Race is On was fantastic to hear -
    first time in two years, and then followed with a great Dire Wolf -
    terrific combo.  Row Jimmy was the other real highpoint - long and
    strong.  The whole first set was strong actually - no bathroom songs!
    :-)
    
    Get tapes.
    
23.831ONE900::HUGHESSamurai Couch PotatoTue Sep 21 1993 19:3415
re .830 

>  hadn't heard anything.  When we got inside, Edie was on stage and our
>    friends told us she had come out during space and started doing some
>    weird vocal improv.. just a lot of sounds and stuff.. but you could

Somewhere I read (Rolling Stone?) that Jerry and Edie Brickell were thinking 
about putting together a musical improv group and touring. Maybe you got a
preview.

At the risk of appearing hopelessly confused, are "Jerry's daughter, Edie"
and "Edie Brickell" the same person?

gary
 
23.832NRSTA2::CLARKzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh? ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzTue Sep 21 1993 19:379
re          <<< Note 23.831 by ONE900::HUGHES "Samurai Couch Potato" >>>

>At the risk of appearing hopelessly confused, are "Jerry's daughter, Edie"
>and "Edie Brickell" the same person?

There was a rumour going around a few years back that Edie Brickell was Jerry's 
daughter.  I think the folks in -.* are joking. :^)

- dc
23.833SLOHAN::FIELDSStrange BrewTue Sep 21 1993 19:394
    hopeless ? naaa
    confuzed ? yeah I think so ! :')
    
    not the same person...but I've seen the two at the same time ! ?
23.834ONE900::HUGHESSamurai Couch PotatoTue Sep 21 1993 21:553
Would have been easier if he'd named her Rex.

gary
23.835SPOCK::IRONSWed Sep 22 1993 16:384
    We had this: "is Edie Jerry's daughter?" discussion way back in
    grateful of old.
    
    dave
23.836MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRdust off those rusty stringsWed Sep 22 1993 16:565
    let's discuss it some more
    
    Carol_who_thinks_any_Dead_trivia_is_grate_as_she_waits_for_a_show
    
    
23.837for those o'ye with time && $$$$MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRdust off those rusty stringsWed Sep 22 1993 16:597
    
    When the boyz were here in '91, me and DC and Ben went to the Renjeau
    gallery on Waldon (what else) Street in Concord, MA to see Jerry's
    exhibit.  I bought something so I'm on the mailing list for his shows
    and the show is on again next monday.   
    
    c
23.838rookie reviews the DeadNRSTA2::CLARKzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh? ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzFri Sep 24 1993 17:27226
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OK, so in the veggie burrito thread, I ragged on the local paper in
Santa Cruz for always mentioning the Dead only in connection with 'heads
caught doing illegal acts.  Well, so what did I find in last Friday's
Spotlight (the entertainment insert)?   An article on the Dead show, 
Wednesday at Shoreline, written by Wallace Bain, the resident reviewer/
interviewer of talent passing through these parts, and incidentally, 
Dead newbie.  I won't say this article is the best I've ever read, but
Wallace does make some interesting observations.  It's by far the most
positive thing I've seen in the Sentinel.  Apologies in advance to those 
who already read this and are not blessed with an 'n' option...

Reprinted without permission from The Santa Cruz Sentinel, Spotlight,
9/3/93...

A NIGHT OF LIVING DEAD by Wallace Bain

ONe could hardly expect a more joyous scene at the gate of St. Peter as 
the righteous cross over into the Promised Land. 

It's about an hour before the Dead come to life on stage in the first of
three consecutive late summer shows at Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain
View.

Stand with me, for a second, here just inside the gate.  Watch the reaction
of young Deadheads as they pass the gate and surrender their tickets after
standing in line for an hour or more.

There is whooping and shouting to be sure.  But there is also jumping,
tumbling and expressions of body-shaking triumph usually seen only in 
Pentacostal revival meetings.  There are hugs that last longer than a
Jerry Garcia guitar solo and shows of affection not witnessed in public
since the hostages were released from Iran.

This is not the Promised Land.  But it's not just another rock concert
either.  It occupies some weird space in between, a cultural safe place
where the initiated can find a fleeting transcendence for the price of 
a general seating ticket.

Let us not waste time or ink trying to explain the Dead phenomenon.  I am,
after all, a pilgrim in a strange country here.  My expertise on the
cultural significance of the Grateful Dead is roughly equal to Gomer Pyle's
on the Sri Lankan slave trade.

I am here to groove on the is-ness of the experience, to open my mind like
a baked potato, to take the first tentative steps on the multi-colored road
to the land of the dancing bears and the rose-adorned skeletons.

I will be looking for a moment of sartori similar to that of author Annie
Dillard when she wrote "I had been my whole life a bell, and never knew it
until at that moment I was lifted and struck."  Strike me, Jerry.  If I
meet a friend of the devil tonight, he will become a friend of mine.

A Dead show starts long before the band actually jumps on stage.  It starts,
in fact, in the parking lot outside the arena which becomes a Deadhead 
encampment, a Jerryville, with its residential and commercial sectors.

As the sun begins to sink below the horizon, while the rest of America is
watching "Jeopardy," the makeshift Deadhead village is thick with people.
The scene is part Persian bazaar, part country fair flea market with a 
pervasive hippy feel throughout.

Buses, trucks and vans -- each idiosyncratically decorated with '60s style
aesthetic -- get the choicest spots.  The commerce is chaotic but wide-
ranging.  Some "merchants" work out of the back of their van, others roam
around like peanut vendors at a baseball game selling everything from veggie
burritos to ganja brownies to small felt pouches holding magical crystals.

The thoroughfares move slowly; no one is hurrying.  The parade of faces and
bodies is about as colorful a pageant as the human species is capable of.
Many of the "hippies" here weren't even born during the glory days of Haight-
Ashbury.  These younger people are the most decorative and free-spirited in
manner and dress.  For the most part, they choose a hip seediness, a curious
blend of hippie tie-dye, Marleyesque dreadlock hairstyles and '90s body
adornment (tattoos and navel piercings).

These "Deadlings" seem to be the most uninhibited of Jerry's children.
There are shirtless men in saffron skirts, semi-nude women wrapped in 
gossamer scarfs, Granny dresses and Guatemalan shorts are more numerous
here than tie-pins on Wall Street at lunchtime.

Also in the crowd are knots of thirtysomething Deadheads, dressed a bit
smarter and perhaps more recently bathed than their younger counterparts,
but looking the part enough to get disapproving stares at a church picnic.

The elders of the tribe, this is those in the same ballpark as Jerry, are
less conspicuous.  But they are here in goodly numbers letting their freak
flag fly, however gray it might be.

Approaching the arena, we pass dozens of Deadheads with their arms raised 
above their heads and their index fingers raised to the sky like football
fans at a Super Bowl parade.  They are saying things cryptic to the 
uninitiated:  "I need a miracle" or "Jerry me" (Rough translation:  "Please
sell, trade or give a ticket to me").

Somewhere in the bowels of that distant arena is King Jerry, the boyish
Weir, the goofball Lesh and other members of hte imprisoned by their own
unlikely fame.  I wonder if Garcia, like the prince in Shakespeare's 
"Measure for Measure," ever feels the urge to don a disguise and walk out
into his kingdom to rub shoulders with his subjects.  It would probably 
be a treat to him to be like I am now, the invisible observer, watching the 
pageant as it goes by.

In line, waiting to get in, I meet a Deadhead who by day is a chemist (not
of the psychedelic variety I'm afraid) who works out of a Bay Area lab.  
With his purple and green T shirt and his rondo sunglasses, he looks almost
anonymous in this crowd.  I wonder if his colleagues in the white lab coats
would recognize him here.

A younger friend with him is talking excitedly about another hippie jam
band of much younger vintage:  "Man, you should really check out Phish.
They're really cookin'.  Don't get me wrong," he says so as not to be thought
of as a heretic, "Jerry still rages.  There's nobody like Jerry.  The Dead
is still the best, man, no doubt.  But..."

He trails off in defeat.  Nobody wants to hear about Phish right now.

Inside the Pearly Gates, the aggressively commercial side of the Valhalla
comes clearer into focus.  There are about 130,000 vendors inside the grounds
selling everything from Philly cheese steak sandwiches to tie-dye bikinis.

The true ugliness is in the details, however.  Here in one of the hippie
clothing booths is a toodler jumper, decorated on the front with Dead 
dancing bears.  Look closer and you can see Barney the Dinosaur and Mickey
Mouse as well.

On the grassy lawn section of the Shoreline Amphitheatre, thousands of 
people are on their feet.  It's 20 minutes after scheduled showtime and the
gods are being summoned.  There is furtive activity on stage and the crowd
erupts.  Recognizable figures emerge from stage right:  the gangly bassist
Phil Lesh, the dark-haired drummer Mickey Hart.  Then His Jerryness.

Garcia stands with his back to the crowd, fiddling with his amp and guitar
for a few minutes.  When he turns around, the band strikes up "A Touch of
Grey," the upbeat hit that marked the second coming of the Dead just a 
few summers ago.

The crowd comes alive like a boiling pot of ater. The hot plate underneath
is the Deaed groove, a seductive boogie beat that makes you, in spite of
your self-conscious dignity, flap your head around as if your neck were
made of over-cooked macaroni.

Now that the music has started, let's check out the scene a bit, shall we?
Above and behind us, ringing the outer edge of the amphitheater are the
"whirlers," the Deadhead dancers who need ample space for their unique,
impromptu expressions of in-the-moment transcendence.

No two dancers are alike (this ain't a country line dance, y'know), but
many appear to be in a sort of dance trance, hyper-aware of the sinuous 
rhythms of the music, moving in delicate waves and motions like a hippie
version of tae kwon do.

It's hard not to envy the abandon on the faces of these dancers, their
bare feet in the cool grass, their heads in the kind of rapture only
Deadheads know.  I put down my reporter's paraphrenalia and try to join 
in the mass reverie, but a rookie cannot close his eyes to the 
impressionistic cornucopia around him.  The scene here is, for the time
being anyway, more interesting than my own personal enlightenment.

Night has fallen now and the enveloping groove of the show has moved a
few steps up on the kundalini ladder to dharma.  The night is surreal.
Voices whisper in the gloom "Dose me, dose me" (Translation:  "Please
provide me with hallucinogens").  With my camera and notepad, I am clearly
an outsider here.  The flash of my camera spooks a dancer an she instructs
me that taking pictures is not cool and I stand there, feeling like the
Ugly American tourist shooting video at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem.

There is, however, a remarkably mellow and forgiving current in this crowd.
A young woman takes off her top and hops around like a baby rabbit just out
of her warren, alternately hiding and exposing her breasts, clearly 
exhilerated by breaking one of her society's oldest taboos.  Two guys near
her shake hands and talk excitedly about Eugene in reference to the Oregon
shows the Dead played the weekend before.  One tells the other to look for
him on the road to the next Dead show:  "We're in a four-door beat-up, blue
1982 Honda with New York plates.  Come by, man.  Hang out with us."

In the Presbyterian heartland of America, there is a perception that these 
types of concerts encourage the most bestial sort of debauchery:  glass-
eyed junkies lying face down with needles in their arms, indiscriminate,
open-air sex, a feral unraveling of civilized behavior.

The truth is, of course, much less titillating.  Only the most prudish of
judges would give a Dead show even an R rating.  Pot smoking is surprisingly
discreet and the sociopathic behavior you might see at other concerts is
hard to find here.  The only instance of trouble we've seen here tonight
is three security people quickly ushering out a topless woman, her torso
and face decorated with glitter and smears of cheap acrylic, raving like
some inmate at an asylum out of "Les Miserables."

As it happened her only sin was that was in the reserved seating area where
whe had not paid to be. Later, we see her up on the lawn, no worse for
the experience, lost in her tae kwon do.

The night deepens and the Dead are well into their second set.  Giant screens
situated around the amphitheater show the band on stage interspersed with 
trippy computer graphics, a concession the '60s have made to the '90s.

Jerry Garcia has not moved much the whole night. He stands before his
minions, an overgrown koala bear carrying the souls of thousands with 
every lightning riff on his guitar.  His voice is coarse and thin, almost
a choke.  But that voices carries the weariness of Buddha.

I am entranced by Jerry's reserve, his magical talent at being aloof and
familiar at the same time.  I wait for him to strike me as a bell, to 
christen me one of his followers.

Curiously, it doesn't happen.  You get the feeling that to be one of the
select, you have to commit somehow to the long, strange trip.

I see everything and everyone as a neophyte in the Land of the Dead;
everyone, that is, but that friend of the devil.  He waits somewhere down
the road.



23.839Well at least he ADMITTED that he's a rookie! ;-)SUBPAC::MAGGARDCareful with that AXP Eugene!Fri Sep 24 1993 20:0216
> A younger friend with him is talking excitedly about another hippie jam
> band of much younger vintage:  "Man, you should really check out Phish.
> They're really cookin'.  Don't get me wrong," he says so as not to be
> thought of as a heretic, "Jerry still rages.  There's nobody like Jerry.
> The Dead is still the best, man, no doubt.  But..."
> 
> He trails off in defeat.  Nobody wants to hear about Phish right now.

Ha!   ;-)

Quick!  Someone post this on the phish-net! >B-)

I Got a chuckle from the 'translations' too... ...reminds me of Eddy
Murphy's White_Man_Imitation.  ;-)

- jeff
23.840CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingMon Sep 27 1993 12:4014
RE Note 62.247  

	             Grateful Dead Setlists (No Discussion)           247 of 247
BIODTL::JC "Red X"                                   20 lines  27-SEP-1993 09:06

>lots of jerry guitar problems...  at one point, bobby was belting out
>maggies fahm while jerry and steve morse (? his guitar mon) were crackin' up
>over jerry's guitar problems... strange...


Bob Bralove, fwiw...

Despite the problems Jerry had, which were mostly during Maggie's, the show 
rocked.
23.841BIODTL::JCRed XMon Sep 27 1993 12:5342
WOW!  No reviews yet!


Here's some words on my thoughts....  vocal harmonies are getting much much
better.  vinny backs just about everyone - this is especially good for jerry
'cuz sometimes he needs a little lift in the vocal dept :-)

vinny's kb playing reminds me a lot of some of the kieth era... he plays a
lot of what i call piano, and not so much of the electronic organ/synth stuff.

jerry's new guitar sounds _MUCH_ different then his older ones.  a more 
acoustic-sounding sound comes out of it... he also appears to have all sorts
of gizmos and knobs to play with on the guitar.  i can't wait 'til they
do estimated to see how it sounds ..!

the sound in the garden, i thought, was downright loud!!  much louder then in
years past ... maybe healy heeded everyone's request.  actually, it was too
loud for me... maybe i getting old or something, but i used ear plugs off
and on during all 3 shows.  especially last night - i was in 7th row!  loud
under them speakers!!!  also, less bass and more hi-end sound;  if i had my
druthers, i'd ask for more bass and less hi-end.

phil still gets really excited when he sings and makes the whole place go
nuts.  it was fun watching the stage interaction during maggies farm.  bob
did his piece ok, jerry barely made it through his, vinny belted his out
nicely.... then, phil looks over and everyone is looking at him, i guess that
was his cue.  the audience picked up on this and before he even started his
verse, the place was wild...  phil definitely gets high on the audience, no
question!!  he was having a great time.....

nice to see bob play acoustic.  maybe the days of acoustic dead aren't over
yet?  

for me, out of the 3 shows, FRIDAY was #1.  great, consistent set I... and
then the scarlet->fire took it all home.

saturday, bobby just did not seem into it at all!  jerry seemed to carry
much of the show...

sunday: standing on the moon was the big highlight for me!  jerry just seemed
to unleash his soul for that one...i was also up close so maybe that had
an effect...  Rain was neat, first time for me......
23.842NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 27 1993 13:1121
    I've only gone to two of the Garden shows so far, and I'm already fed
    up with security.  Saturday night, I was getting really fed up with
    having my stub checked every 10 feet on the way back to my own seat
    (which sucked anyway)__some neanderthal took my ticket to check it and
    then stood there looking at me - I said, "Give me my ticket back!", and
    he stared as if to provoke a conflict, "Well?", and he handed it back,
    saying, "section forty is above...", "I know where my seat is, and it's
    section forty one."  Doofus.
    
    There're unnecessarily hostile.  Being straight, clean and sober, I
    have a problem with being treated like a criminal when in fact I'm a
    guest, a customer, I PAID TO BE HERE DAMMIT!!!  ...and I have no
    problem telling them so.  Go ahead, search me, frisk me, harass me -
    I'll still tell you what I think of you, and your unprofessional, rude,
    and sophomoric attitude!  You can't arrest me or throw me out for
    saying what I think of you (so long as I keep it clean)...
    
    Assholes.
    
    tim
    
23.843that was Morse on stage, i'm fairly sure!BIODTL::JCRed XMon Sep 27 1993 13:1411
re        <<< Note 23.840 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "that would be something" >>>

>>over jerry's guitar problems... strange...
>
>
>Bob Bralove, fwiw...



I don't think that was Bob Bralove, maybe it was....   Bob, i'm told, is
jerry's Midi god, while steve morse is jerry's guitar technician...  
23.844CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingMon Sep 27 1993 13:2114
Tim,

If you go to any other shows at BG, I strongly suggest you air your 
grievance at the Customer Service desk in the East Lobby (near Greenpeace 
booth).

I had an issue I brought to them both Saturday and last night, and in each 
case, they resolved the issue to my total satisfaction.

I have been really impressed with the Garden management's genuine effort to
treat concert goers as customers rather than chunks of meat on hook.

Give it a try, man.
23.845QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyMon Sep 27 1993 13:259
So did anyone else think the "He's Gone" Friday night was for Reggie
Lewis?  Though with all the train imagery, my mind kept drifting to 
Alabama.


Pretty good show.  Have to wait till Thursday for my next dose.


PeterT
23.846maybe I've been spoiled by listening to too many concert hightlightsE::EVANSMon Sep 27 1993 13:269
I went Friday and thought the show was uneven.  Most of the first set seemed 
standard fare until Loose Lucy which I thought was superb.  I thought the second
set was far better with Scarlet->Fire being outstanding (perhaps the best Fire
I have ever heard).  An interesting D/S, Last Time worked really well, but I
can do without another Liberty.  Overall, a better than average show.  I'm 
hoping ofr better on Wednesday and Thursday.  

Jim

23.847HOws this for pedantic?CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingMon Sep 27 1993 13:307
On a scale of 1-10, IMO...

Fri 5
Sat 7
Sun 8

23.848E::EVANSMon Sep 27 1993 13:319
As for issues for the Garden management, I have a beef with the ticket I was 
sold.  I was about the fourth row from the back of the Stadium on Phil's side.
The sound was *really* bad under that overhang which was bad enough, but if
I stood up, the stage was cut off by the overhang (and everyone knows how much
you see if you sit down for a Dead show).  I think the last row or two should 
not have been sold.

Jim

23.849CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingMon Sep 27 1993 13:3610
                         <<< Note 23.848 by E::EVANS >>>

Jim,

I had the same beef: My saturday ticket was row R of section 48, the top 
row of the rear-most stadium seats, from which I could not see past center 
court. I brought my grievance to The Customer Service desk and was re-issued 
tickets for better seats.


23.850STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Mon Sep 27 1993 13:3810
    I think Steve Parrish (Ramrod?) is Jerry's guitar tech; Bob Bralove is
    Mickey's beam tech.
    
    I liked last night's show the best of the three.  I didn't much care
    for Friday night -- Scarlet>Fire was the only standout.  I liked the
    song selection Saturday, but thought the playing/vocals were a little
    bit rough.  It seemed to come together last night.  Then again, my
    seats have gotten better each night.
    
    Jamie
23.851ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Mon Sep 27 1993 13:4432
>You can't arrest me or throw me out for
>    saying what I think of you (so long as I keep it clean)...

don't be so sure; i had a friend get thrown out of the Philly Spectrum (and i 
mean forcibly, physically, thrown out) just for having a discussion with a
security guard over the manner in which he was being treated

anyway, i went friday and saturday (did work on sunday instead)

i had a grate time on friday; best damn seats i've ever had (3rd row on the
aisle right in front of vince); in a big arena it usually feels like you're
watching the show from afar, but that close i felt completely immersed like i
was part of the show; i got into the light show and drums/space much more than
i usually do; and the scarlet->fire was superb!  other than one uptight
security guard who periodically was hassling me because i was roaming from my
precise seat spot, despite the fact that there was plenty of room to move about
down there and everyone was in a very casual mood ("you can't stand there" -
"why not?" - "because it's not your seat" - "but nobody else seems to mind?" -
"but you can't stand there" - etc...)

saturday was ok, but i liked friday better; wonder how much my seats had to
do with that opinion?

looking forward to some more shows this week...

- rich

p.s. to the people i was asking before saturday's show about xtras: it wasn't
for me, it was for a friend; i don't particularly encourage people to show
up without tickets, and i told him so; but i also told him that i'd see what
i could do about getting one; i ended up trading a wednesday or thursday (don't
remember which) for a saturday for him
23.852NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 27 1993 13:4715
Thanks Fog, I may try that out.  I hate being harassed by 
hired gorillas.

I saw you walk by me Friday, but didn't get your attention
in time - it was in the walkway behind section 46 where I
was hanging out with my daughter and a couple friends.
Same thing Saturday night with da ve, Roch, and Chriso -
you out there da ve?  You walked right by me on the way to
your seats (at the extreme opposite side of the venue
from me, btw)...

I still hate the Garden.  Finding the right section is like
finding the mummy in an Egyptian pyramid.

tim
23.853NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 27 1993 13:507
Rich,

I'm not the guy they wanna throw out for no good reason.
I have a mouth that would burn off both of their ears, if
they just give me half a good reason.  Right, Mystery! ;-)

tim
23.854nostalgia nos-schmalgiaCSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingMon Sep 27 1993 13:557
>I still hate the Garden.  Finding the right section is like
>finding the mummy in an Egyptian pyramid.

Or a bathroom, for that matter...

Thank God they're finally gonna tear that old building down!
23.855E::EVANSMon Sep 27 1993 13:566
When it comes to throwing people out, they don't need a *good* reason, they only
need *a* reason.  It's always best to argue with these folks.  They can do 
little for you, but they can give you enormous pain.

Jim

23.856...BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Mon Sep 27 1993 14:0357
    A review/observation of the past couple of nights...          
    
    Friday night the show was **SUPERB** !!!  Especially the 2nd set!! 
    Scarlet=>Fire was hot!  I was also excited to here Days Between - I
    like that song a lot...and sitting 3rd row was GREAT!!!  
    
    Saturday was very dissapointing to me.  I was expecting a special
    guest, or at least a good encore, and all I got was 'I fought the
    Law'.  I don't like this song.  It's soooo repetitous and I've seen it
    enough this year to last me a lifetime.  But at least they won't play
    it the rest of the Garden run.  However, I really liked Cold Rain and
    Snow, Loser, and Cassidy.
    
    Sunday night was GREAT!  I really liked the first set!  Second set
    seemed very LOUD to me.  Probably because I was 7th row (actually a few
    seats down from JC and Deb).  It seemed louder to me than Friday night
    when I was 3rd row Vince's side directly in front of the speakers. 
    Drums/Space was very long, very intense.  The light show was awesome!  
    
    Ahem.  Back to Saturday night.  Saturday night I had seats in the
    Stadium, Section 32.  The ushers there were being a**holes.  I had the
    seat right next to the steps, and there was a guy standing on the steps
    next to me the whole show.  Once during the show, the guy next to me
    had one foot on the aisle and one foot on the steps.  The usher walked
    up to him, flashed his flashlight in his face and screamed, "Get your
    f*cking foot back on the steps or I'll get you f*cking kicked out!"  I
    felt this was a little harsh.  I decided that I didn't like staying at
    my seat due to the negativity of the ushers around me, so I went out to
    the halls to dance.  I was told on two different occasions by two
    different policemen to get out of the halls and get back to my seat. 
    This was also told to the other people dancing near me.  
    
    After the show Saturday night, I walked out of the Garden and heard a
    lot of rumbling.  It was about 20-25 police motorcycles lining up
    outside the gate.  I was wondering what it was for.  I discovered this
    at 11:45.  I was on Canal street (perpendicular to Causeway) when a
    police truck (the one that looks like a Dog Catchers truck) went down
    the middle of the street, and all of the police motorcycles followed
    alongside it and beside it.  They all had their sirens on, making all
    sorts of noise, and they were sweeping all of the people off Canal street. 
    The police motorcycles were on the sidewalks, and the police were yelling 
    for everyone to get out.  You couldn't walk back towards the Garden, you 
    had to walk the same way that the motorcycles were going. 
    
    Last night I saw policemen in the street with riot hats on.  
    ?????? Is this necessary ?????
    
    Maybe it's just me.  Maybe I am overreacting.  But I feel that the
    amount of police and the way they were acting was a little out of hand. 
    Although I did see some really kind policemen, the rude ones seemed to
    outnumber them.
    
    Or am I just having a bad day?  8^)
    
    :), danielle
    
    BTW, it was nice seeing all of the DECheads at the shows!  :-)
23.857Fri:7, Sat:5, Sun:2PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastMon Sep 27 1993 14:049
Well, for me, I think the seats do have a large influence in how I enjoy the
show.  

I enjoyed Friday most, Sat. pretty close, and last night very little.

too burnt to write anymore now...

Josh
23.858Wow!AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulMon Sep 27 1993 14:1128
	Some highlights for me over the past 3 days....

	Friday-

	Stagger Lee, Scarlet->Fire, The Days Between (good poetry &
	real tear jerker!)

	Saturday -

	Tom Thumbs (me like), Foolish Heart, Corrina (particulary the jam 
	following, very hot!)

	Sunday - (My 50th show) Jerry very loud side stage

	I loved this whole show!!! Jerry hooked up the bluegrass machine to
	the new guitar and once things were right, WOW!  Excellent for 
	Bobby's Cowboy mode with acoustic guitar. Lazy River Road is 
	Bluegrass Central Station, I like Easy Answers, Don't Ease was perfect.
	Aiko was too much! Truckin w/usual Bobby errors, Incredible and 
	long Space, Great Miracle, 
	
	Got some of the best vibes I've felt in years off of that Standing 
	on the Moon, and Rain.  I can safely see why Moon is a tour favorite.
	Rain Rules!


      	  
23.859NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 27 1993 14:1829
I had the same problem with the police sweep of Canal St.
after the Friday show.  My daughter (Jessie) and I were
headed toward the Garden to catch our train at about 11:50
when a line of cops on Harleys came down the sidewalk,
pushing everyone away from the Garden.  I told them we 
were going to catch a train at North Station, and they
said we'd have to walk around the block.  This was a little
irritating, but I turned around and headed back.

Almost immediately, I realized I had become separated from
Jessie.  Losing your kid in that crowd at midnight, 10
minutes before the last train home, was all I could handle.
I stopped dead, and started looking around the immediate
area for her.  The sirens made any thought of calling her
name a waste of breath.  The cops crept up to me again,
and told me to move on, to which I replied, "I just became
separated from my 13-year-old daughter because of what
you are doing here right now.  I am not moving until I
find her."  Apparently it was pretty clear that I was not
kidding, that I was not lost in the ozones and that I was
not going to let them endanger my daughter's safety for 
the sake of clearing the street.  In short, I was pissed.
They didn't push me any more.  

Sure enough, two minutes later, she showed up, BEHIND the
line of cops that would have pushed me away from
her if I had let them.

tim
23.860CXDOCS::BARNESMon Sep 27 1993 14:263
    "being straight, clean and sober..."
    
    AHHH HAAA! 
23.861NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 27 1993 14:333
Well, on Friday I was...;-)

tim
23.862Friday=bad, Sunday=goodNOVA::ZASTERAMon Sep 27 1993 14:5417
Were we all at the same shows?  Reading the differences of opinions here, it
hardly seems possible.
Linda an I were at the Friday and Sunday shows, and it was perfectly obvious
(to us :-)) that:
     1. The Friday show was a *big* disappointment--perhaps the worst show
        we've ever been to.  Highlight (for me) was "Fire" and that's not
        even one of my favorites.

     2. Sunday show was *way* better.  A good solid show, about as good as one
        could hope for in the Garden.  Even "Space" (not generally a highlight
        for us) was exceptional (except that they continued it a bit too long).

 And we had almost identical seats both nights--AA row 23 Fri, AA row 31 Sun.
 Go figure.

       Craig
     
23.863What! no encore!!! :^)SALEM::BURNShow's 'bout a war on violence!Mon Sep 27 1993 15:2524
    Ahhh...what a band :^) :^) :^)
    
    1-10 scale  Fri.5   Sat.7  Last nite 9.
    
    friday highlights were Loose Lucy, Scarlet, Fire and Days Between.
    It was nice having my oldest daughter there for her first show, she
    said she'd come again :^)
    
    Sat highlights were Cassady, Deal, incredible Foolish Heart followed
    by a sweet Box of Rain (Phill musta been pretty warmed as he'd already
    did his Thomb Thumb Bluez).
    
    Sun I enjoyed Maggies Farm, then Standing On The Moon and Rain were
    absolutely fanfu%#ingtastic :^) :^) :^) I just wish they did 
    an encore :^) :^) :^) 
    
    I've had no problem with security other than being unable to convince
    one frisker that I was not going to throw my apples at the band  ;^o
    and that I wouldn't leave the core on the floor :^/
    
    looking forward to series 2. Nice to see all the Decheads there as
    well!
    
    peace,and enjoy! Andy
23.864WRPTEN::duttonInspiration, move me brightly...Mon Sep 27 1993 15:3812
Bizarre --

were we all at the same shows?  I liked Friday quite a bit, but some friends
who were sitting elsewhere were lukewarm.  The Scarlet->Fire was great, but
Beth and I *really* liked the Loose Lucy they did Friday -- it was a real
bluesy, almost "sleazy" version that was just awesome!

Saturday was better, particular the jam into drums/space into The Wheel.

Security was ok by us on Friday, but on Saturday made Beth throw away the 
rose I gave her before the show -- for no good reason other than he was on
a testosterone jag, as far as I could figure.  
23.865CXDOCS::BARNESMon Sep 27 1993 15:421
    throw away the rose?????????????????????
23.866Take names, kick a__!SUBPAC::MAGGARDCareful with that AXP Eugene!Mon Sep 27 1993 15:4227
I didn't go Friday, and I'm bummed I missed the killer S->F.  Saturday was
blah for me.  Sunday was great!

re: dealing with meat-headded, steroid-poppin, @$$#ole security... ;-)

They probably do it because of one of two reasons:
    - they can get away with it
    - the small-penis effect
    
While I can't do much about the latter... ;-) ...here's a tip about the
former:  If someone in security, or even a police officer, hassles you...
get their name and badge number!  Explain their rudeness to their
supervisors.  If you can get the offending guard/officer and his/her
supervisor together, then have the guard/officer tell her/his boss the same
profanities (s)he told you verbatim -- unwarranted acts of hostility are
what they are trying to avoid, not provoke.  Granted, I live in my own
little dreamland, but hey, a calm sincere complaint to the right person can
solve a lot of problems, both for you in the present and for the future
generations of 'heads...  If the folks in charge of security don't know
that their employees are hassling the patrons, then the problems will not
get fixed!

The customer-service desk is another place to vent one's frustrations ;-)
Good idea, Fog!

- jeff
23.867BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Mon Sep 27 1993 15:465
    Did anyone notice the stealy flag flying high on the Boston Garden ?  8^)
    
    
    :), danielle
    
23.868QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Sep 27 1993 16:2227
Friday, I arrived to the sound of hissing (guess why?) at the outdoor parking
lots under the T and next to the Commonwealth Brewery.  Balloon city!  I got in
during the 3rd song to a packed Stadium level (jerry's side).  I had bad
thoughts about what mood I'd be in if I had to deal with this every night.  I
blew off section 32 at the set break and headed behind the stage.  We found a
great spot on Phil's side, unobstructed by the big pieces of cloth streched out
behind Jerry and the drummers for the light show.  We got a good overhead view
of the whole band, and decent sound provided by the back speakers.  I ended up
in this same area Sunday night.

Security really is tight - they checked tickets everywhere.  They wouldn't let
people the rear sections during the encore, when hordes of people were leaving
anyway!  I must say, the Boston Garden is the worst venue I've been to.  THe
layout is atrocious and the security is way too tight.  People tell me Hartford
sucks, well I think it's got nothing on the Garden.

I've got rear balcony two of the next 3 nights and 1 behind-the-stage.  I'll
probably check these seats out for real since they're probably going to be in a 
mellow area with unobstructed views.

I've liked just about every first set so far (3 in NY, too), but the second
sets have been a bit lacking.  I was hoping for something after Standing on the
Moon last night, Miracle -> Moon is just too short.  Highlights for me were
Saint of Circumstance, Maggies Farm, Loser, Scarlet->Fire.  Looking forward to
some fine second sets this week - all the "good" stuff is yet to come!

adam
23.869get off that power trip...ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Mon Sep 27 1993 16:2418
>If someone in security, or even a police officer, hassles you...
>get their name and badge number!  Explain their rudeness to their
>supervisors.

that's actually what got my friend thrown out of the spectrum (trying to get
his name and badge number)

he was thrown out into the cold, they wouldn't let him even go back to his
seat and grab his coat, and then they threatened to have him arrested for
trespassing because he wouldn't leave the spectrum property once he was thrown
out; what assholes

he did manage to speak a few days later with the head of security; the
offending guard denied any knowledge of the incident; the head of security did
offer him some kind of consolation (i think tickets to some non-Dead Spectrum
event), but that was all; nothing was done to the security guard

- rich
23.870LANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Mon Sep 27 1993 16:2734
Some quick impressions/opinions/mumbling:

Friday!  
Set 1: Little Red Rooster!!!!  Picasso moon makes me ... well nevermind :)  
Ooooo weeee!:) 
Set 2: WOWOW!  2nd set was AWESOME.  S>F!  Women R Smarter, It's a long long
long long way... The DAYS BETWEEN!  I can't really handle Jerry singing those
words yet but when I get past that little problem that is one FANTASTIC tune.
And I musta got lost but thought I heard Johnny B Goode.  Wouldn't be
the first time I made a mistake.  Liberty - at least it's upbeat a bit, I
won't say anything else.

Saturday!
What a bitch getting in.  PArtly due to me. I was at the entrance to my 
section when the lights went down.  Assholes wouldn't get out of my seat
but once that was resolved things got better.  First set looks like a 
killer - yea I was there but wasn't enjoying myself because of the amount
of people that were on the floor (elbow to elbow).  (yea,  some deadheads are 
just plain asses...).

BUT again the second set kicked:
EXCELLEnt Foolish Heart maybe best I've heard.  The Corrina was WILD!  great
Bob tune (see I slammed him for Ooooooo Weee but this one is the opposite).
The Wheel was hot too.  I thought it was over after Watchtower but was
surprised there was more.  All in all a great set.  No telling it was a 
benefit show for Rex except for the higher ticket price.  

LAst night -
First set was good despite Jerry's equip. malfunctions.  This, for me, was
the "spottiest" of the 3.  No accountin' for my taste eh!   Good first
set.  
2nd set highlights - Saint and Standing on the Moon and Rain.  


23.871Friday in BG was MediocreJARETH::BSEGALMon Sep 27 1993 16:2853
    RE: 23.864, I'm glad someone finally said what needed to be said. The
    Friday show was the most uninspired, low-key show I've ever seen. I'm
    totally shocked that Steve Morse in the Boston Globe and most of the 
    noters here seemed to think it was ok.
    
    Folks, at the risk of sounding like one of those "well it's not like
    the old days" kind of guys (I'm 40), the fact of the matter is that
    the Dead Friday night (and the other nights didn't sound that much
    better) were a shell of their former selves. I don't mean that I was
    expecting a 5-hour Electric Cool-Aid acid trip and was disappointed. 
    That's unrealistic. However, take away some of the newer stuff (some
    of which was ok; some not), the cover tunes, and the two blues numbers,
    and what's left? Loose Lucy, the Scarlet Begonias/Fire on the Mt.
    mini-jam (and I emphasize "mini"), and He's Gone. They used to do all
    tunes of that caliber in one jam, never mind spreading it out into a
    whole night!
    
    The "jam" of the night was the Scarlet/Fire thing, which at best was
    only a *hint* of what the Dead are about (which is why so many noters
    raved about that sequence I suppose), but let me tell you, that was 
    nothing. Garcia never let loose on  anything all night really,
    culminating with "Round and Round" ("Reelin' and Rockin'"), which was
    so low-key and dainty that it sounded like they were playing in a
    supper club or the Regatta Bar---and that was the number that closed
    the show! That number is supposed to be where Jerry brings the house
    down with those classic rock 'n roll riffs. I was totally shocked when
    they walked off the stage after that because that was no closer by any
    means. The encore tune was also very low-key.
    
    I'm struggling for explanations here. Here are a few that come to mind:
    
      1. They were burned out from NY.
    
      2. That was a low-key show and that's life and that's the Dead. (I'd
         accept that---as I have in the past--- if it hadn't been the
         *worst* show energy-wise and set-wise I've ever seen.)
    
      3. I saw most of the Dead shows in the 70's and only once in the last
         10 years. Perhaps this is the level they now play at and everyone
         is used to it, especially the second generation fans. If that's
         true, then I should be happy they are still alive and well and be
         satisfied with that.
    
    Bottom line is that there was no energy, no magic, no Garcia going over
    the top. If most people think all those factors were present Friday
    night, making it a solid show, then I don't know what else to say
    except that "in the old days ..."
    
    I didn't mean to offend or be too strident because I love the Dead
    still. I just couldn't keep silent if people really thought Friday
    was "superb". It wasn't. 
    
     - Bob
23.872ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Mon Sep 27 1993 16:4016
>      3. I saw most of the Dead shows in the 70's and only once in the last
>         10 years. Perhaps this is the level they now play at and everyone
>         is used to it, especially the second generation fans. If that's
>         true, then I should be happy they are still alive and well and be
>         satisfied with that.
 
well, i think that that might be part of it; not having been to a show until
1987 (i wasn't even born when the dead started playing), i can't compare the
live experience "then" to the live experience "now"; but i do feel a sense of
energy from listening to older tapes that i don't think is there too much at
the current shows

i enjoy going to dead shows, but i don't usually expect them to be ultra-high
energy; that's what i go see phish for ;^)

- rich
23.873CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingMon Sep 27 1993 16:4319
Bob, I agree, energy-wise, Friday was way-low. I particularly agree that
Around and Around just fizzled. For me, Energy level is just one aspect of
the show, though, and if you came in expecting a certain level of energy
and didn't find it, you are bound to be disappointed. Personally, I find
that these days, when the energy level is way on, and jerry is, as you say,
going over the top, then technical delivery is way down, and the boys are
missing more notes and screwing up the lyrics more. I think this is as true
today as it was in the old days. Take last night's show. The boys delivered
a phenomenal Truckin'. It was, as you say, over the top. But Bobby screwed
up the lyrics and Jerry had guitar problems. To some, last nights show was
lame for this reason. For me, the energy level delivered last night made it
the best of the pack. Everyone goes for something different: energetic rock 
and Roll, The Blues, to hear Zimmy or beatles tunes, to spin around so much 
you can't even hear the music, whatever. Definitely not the old days, but 
one thing is for sure: they are delivering something different each night, 
and if you are patient and understand that these guys _are_ in their 50's, 
one night you may get lucky and at least catch a piece of the old days' 
magic.
23.874BIODTL::JCRed XMon Sep 27 1993 16:457
To quote some unnamed person on how people feel about shows:


	"It is all what you're on"



23.875JARETH::BSEGALMon Sep 27 1993 16:4610
    RE: 23.872
    
    Ah Rich, that is a very telling observation that you, as a
    "second-generation" Dead fan, go to see Phish for a high-energy
    show. Although the Dead don't employ a vacuum cleaner on stage, they
    too could be counted on for high energy shows at one time. Perhaps they 
    just pick there spots now that they're older, much like I do on the 
    basketball court.
    
    - Bob
23.876Friday didn't do much for meBSS::MNELSONWon't ya try just a little bit harderMon Sep 27 1993 16:5623
    
    I think I'd rate Fridays show to be a 6.  I enjoyed s->f for the second
    set opener, but found the show to be inconsistent in energy.  I thought
    Saturday's show was fabulous and would give it a high 8.  The energy
    level was great. I thought it was one of the better shows I have seen
    in sometime.   The only disappointment for me was  " I fought the law"
    encore.  It s*cked, in my estimation.  Sunday was a nice show.  I
    thought it was slightly better than Friday, but still not as good as
    Saturday.  
    
    The hissing parking lot was a blast on Friday.  I really enjoyed
    meeting lots of Decheads at the brewery and in the Gahden.  
    
    The cops were incredible on Saturday. The way the clear the streets is
    uncalled for and insulting.  They grabbed my sister on Saturday for an
    open beer and brought her up to the paddy wagon to bust her.  Luckily,
    the Supervisor said they had to let her go because the wagon was full
    of men and they couldn't accommodate a women (whew!).   the crowd at a
    bruins game is as bad and I believe even worse as far as fights and
    rudeness goes.  The whole police scene pisses me off.
    
    2 more shows to go!!!
    
23.877as they say, the setting and the setPONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastMon Sep 27 1993 17:0246
re                       <<< Note 23.871 by JARETH::BSEGAL >>>

>         10 years. Perhaps this is the level they now play at and everyone
>         is used to it, especially the second generation fans. If that's
>         true, then I should be happy they are still alive and well and be
>         satisfied with that.
    
Bob, this is what I think the situation is.  They've been playing for a
damn long time, and it just aint the old days.  My older brother stopped
going to shows in the mid-70's cause it wasn't like the way it used to be,
for him.  (Thought I did drag him to the Dylan/Dead Giants Stadium show in 87.)

>    Bottom line is that there was no energy, no magic, no Garcia going over
>    the top. If most people think all those factors were present Friday
>    night, making it a solid show, then I don't know what else to say

	I've come to not expect "being THERE" for an entire show, or even
an entire set.  I thought that a few song sequences here and there really
clicked, but there's slow and weak spots between.

....
Misc. Ramblings:
old slow 2nd set Jerry's left: Stella Blue, Comes a Time, It Must have Been 
the Roses (or this this a first-set tune these days?), Morning Dew

hear a few notes of before 2nd set on Sunday, but not played: PLAYIN'!

Conspictuious (only) in Their Absence:

second set:
China-Rider
PLAYIN' - UJB
Shakedown
Eyes of the World
Estimated
Terrapin Station (they playing this these days?)

first set:
Tennesse Jed
Ramble On Rose
Promised Land
Weather Report Suite Part 2 (oh yeah, you call it "Let It Grow".  check the
damn album !)


Josh
23.878AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulMon Sep 27 1993 17:129
	I think the crowd is mellowed too, this definitely
	impacts the band!   Last night the exchange between 
	the crowd and the band during Standing on the Moon
	was extra high, I like that, it seems the band *really*
	likes that too.  A few times I noticed the band peaked 
	on Saturday night, but the crowd reaction was low, so 
	in turn, the jam was not fortified.  The crowds reaction 
	to things impacts the band immensly.
23.879STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Mon Sep 27 1993 17:1921
    re .871
    
    >  3. I saw most of the Dead shows in the 70's
    
    I think you mean "saw most of my"; if not, wow!  :-)
    
    The Seventies was the last stable period for the Dead.  Depending on
    when you saw the shows, you could've seen the Pigpen era (70-72), the
    jammy/endless Garcia dirge era (72-75), the high-energy live show peak
    days (76-77), or the "no, you ask them to leave the band" era (78-80).
    
    FWIW, I saw my first show in '84 -- looking (and listening) back on it,
    the '84-'86 shows were freakin' dreadful.  There's a lot of '85
    soundboards which document this in excruciating detail.  Listen to how
    much processing Healy puts on Garcia's vocals to coax anything but a
    monotone croak out of them.  The Dead were revitalized for the
    umpteenth (and counting) time after Garcia's first collapse.  Maybe the
    highs today aren't as high, but the lows aren't as low either. 
    Somewhere along the way they became competent.
    
    Jamie
23.880QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Sep 27 1993 17:239
Josh,

Regarding the list of songs you didn't hear but would like to, I guarantee they
will do each and every one of them sometime between Tuesday and Thursday! 
That's why I'm psyched!  Also Help->Slip->anything (maybe something other that
Franklin's [I hope!]).  Yes, they stil do Terrapin (not the whole album side,
though).

adam
23.881NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Mon Sep 27 1993 17:324
    As for the crowd, I thought the Saturday crowd was in a coma...
    
    tim
    
23.882SUBPAC::MAGGARDCareful with that AXP Eugene!Mon Sep 27 1993 17:408
    > As for the crowd, I thought the Saturday crowd was in a coma...

    Ditto the band on that sentiment, IMO.  :-|


    - jeff
    
23.883CXDOCS::BARNESMon Sep 27 1993 18:065
    RE: the disscusion about energy today vs. "the good ole days"
    Their still tryin to decide.... %^)
    
    remember....it's not that they do it so good, they are the ONLY one's
    who do it.....
23.884Great to be thereTRETOP::SAMILJANMon Sep 27 1993 18:2833
    Well, I'm kind of glad I missed Friday and Saturday, according to what
    I've been reading in here.  But I was really pleased with Sunday night.
    
    I think the band sounded better than they've sounded in years.  Jerry's
    voice is MUCH stronger than it has been in recent years, and he seems
    more animated and emotional with his work than I've seen in a long
    time.  Example: when they started Truckin' last night, I just sighed
    and said "Well, guess I'll have to turn off for a few minutes," but,
    boy was I wrong.  The tune was revitalized; tons of energy, and the
    crowd was right there with 'em.
    
    And Jerry was truly great doing Standing on the Moon---strong, clear
    voice with lots of feeling.  I was getting goosebumps.
    
    The whole show had a kind of blusey feeling to it.  My only complaints:
    space was just too long and it was difficult to flow with it.  Other
    than that, the show just felt too short and ended abruptly.
    
    But based on what I saw last night, I'm real excited about my floor
    seats for Wednesday and excellent loge seats for Thursday.
    
    AND last night was my wife's show.  She's not totally hooked yet, but
    I'll bet she'll be head over heels by Friday morning
    
    You know, maybe the greatest feeling of all was just wallking around the
    streets before the show, having my tickets in my pocket, seeing the
    crowd, feeling the excitement build.  I just had to say out loud,
    "MAN, I AM SO HAPPY TO BE HERE!!!!"
    
    Needless to say, we had a good time.
    
    Bud
    
23.885another DBL?PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastMon Sep 27 1993 18:486
The reviewer in today's Boston Globe review says Bob sang "stay and trip with
me" during Truckin'.  Huh?  anyone catch this?

*gasp*!  what would Gov. Weld think!

Josh
23.886AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulMon Sep 27 1993 19:306
	I think the reviewer may have been the one tripping on 
	that!

	I just noticed the lyric screw up and the big smile
	that went with it.  :-)
23.887was a wealthy merchant; did he get there i dunnoLANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Mon Sep 27 1993 20:166
re:  globe reviewer

Whoever reviewed Friday's show in the Globe (someone here mentioned Morse)
called Jack-A-Roe by the name "Jimmy Row" :)
bob
 
23.888peaks and valleys...ROADKL::INGALLSmay the four winds blow you home againMon Sep 27 1993 21:5928
Re: the old days...

Gotta agree with Fog(?) - go without expectations and you won't be disappointed,
and you'll see the highlights a lot easier....

I think the Dead as a band are like many of their songs/Jams -- they go
through high energy crescendos and lower energy (whatever-points)...
It's all the same depending on your frame of reference...
	a single show,
	a single set of shows,
	a tour's worth of shows,
	a years worth, several years worth, 25 years worth....

to me it's still the same - a few on shows a few off, a few on months 
a few more off then others, a few on years, a few more off then others.
It's just perspective.  

If you haven't been to shows in over ten years, then you really missed a treat
with the peak of the Brent Era (tm).  I can still hear it: 
Good Golly Miss Molly/Devil with a Blue Dress, Hey Jude, Dear Mr Fantasy

They'll get there with Vince too, as long as Jerry stays healthy, 
I just think it gonna take a few years of ups and downs...

Same as it ever was...

glennnnn
23.889no offense meant to BrentROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Mon Sep 27 1993 22:177
>If you haven't been to shows in over ten years, then you really missed a treat
>with the peak of the Brent Era (tm).
>They'll get there with Vince too, as long as Jerry stays healthy, 

actually, i think i like Vince better

- rich
23.890I still miss BrentMILKWY::SAMPSONDriven by the windTue Sep 28 1993 11:2517
    	I'm really glad to hear more vince this time through. He sounds a
    lot stronger than in the past. But, he's not Brent! I was riding in
    this AM listening to Lewiston '80, my first show. At that time I
    thought Brent was overbearing, but in the late 80s and 1990 man that
    guy was powerful and did a lot to help drive the band higher and higher. 
    Good time Blues, Blow Away, Far From Me and a host of other songs we
    won't hear anymore I miss. Okay maybe Good Time will be heard, but
    noone's got the same vocal energy and Vince doesn't have B3. There
    was such a huge void when he left, I have only started to really hear
    that space filled on this last set of shows . Maybe I've just been
    unfortunate and seen off nights. But the bottom line is, Rich, I don't
    agree with you but it's okay,  and man, I really miss Brent!!
    
    Geoff
    
    	As for relative energy level '70s vs. '90s. How does any human at
    50 compare to themselves at 30?
23.891MR4MI2::REHILLCall Me Mystery HillTue Sep 28 1993 12:088
    
    	I too miss Brent, but on the other hand, thaks to Vince, we now
    hear things like Baba->Tomorrow Never Knows, Rain and Here Comes
    Sunshine.
    
    	Both add something new and different to the band.
    
    
23.892neo-fascist Sam Drucker hoedownNRSTA2::CLARKzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh? ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzTue Sep 28 1993 12:283
Forget the Dead, I'm going Country Line Dancing!!!

- DC
23.893No "real" bad nightsPOWDML::MACINTYRETue Sep 28 1993 13:1225
    From today's Boston Globe:
    
      Whatever's going on in this New Age era of the Dead, the result is
    that they've become a much more consistent band.  "I can't think of any
    really bad nights on this tour," said Weir. "We don't have bad nights
    like we used to.  The real abysmal nights, I mean.  We have some
    lackluster nights, but we can't seem to get it together to be as bad as
    we used to be.
    
      "Practice makes perfect," Weir said, on a more serious note. ""That,
    plus the fact that we're different people.  We used to have terrible
    fights, but all that stuff is history."
    
      Terrible fights? About what?
    
      "Anything. The fights would come up all the time."
    
      Were some drug-inspired?
    
      "Hard to say," Weir noted. "Maybe it was just the fact that we were
    not quite as in control of ourselves, as younger folks tend not to be."
    
    
    Marv
    
23.894CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingTue Sep 28 1993 13:258

Well, a friend who was talking to Bear last year says Bear thinks the boys
aren't jamming anymore because they aren't dropping acid anymore.
Apparently, Bear has been mounting a personal crusade to reverse this 
particular state of affairs. Just as apparent is his lack of success... 

:-)
23.895BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadTue Sep 28 1993 13:5718
re: brent

Brent was someone I liked in the band - he was the one, in many times, who
brought a song to a new level - sometimes it was his song, and sometimes it
was someone else's song.  Either way, the hammond sound and his raspy voice
made for some awesome shows.  I'd maintain the Brent Era Peak (tm) to be
the spring tour of '90 ...  i'll never forget that Saturday Albany show in
March '90.......


re: Today's Dead Article (tm)


The article talked about what they do backstage:  no more bong hits or lines
or whatever.  On Sunday, bob was watching the 49ers.  Kreutzman was lying down
kickin' back, and Jerry was just hanging out being mellow...


23.896Disagreeing agreement ;^)AWECIM::RUSSOclaimin!Tue Sep 28 1993 15:0213
    
    >>made for some awesome shows.  I'd maintain the Brent Era Peak (tm) to
    be
    >>the spring tour of '90 ...  i'll never forget that Saturday Albany
    show in
    >>March '90.......
    
    Me neither ;^)  One of the best shows that I've ever seen/heard! 
    However, I remember that Brent was not very prominent in the music that
    evening.  Seemed like a Jerry-driven show that particular night (to
    me).  But Brent was generally very cookin' that spring.....7
    
    Hogan
23.897STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Tue Sep 28 1993 15:2116
    Me either, also some of the best seats I've had for a show.  Brent was
    most prominent with his scat singing in "Walking Blues."  The second
    best show I've seen (3-2?-88 Sat. night in Hampton was the best).
    
    One of the reasons they replaced Keith was because he rarely played
    organ, just piano.  This gave them a band of all percussive
    instruments, and they wanted a keyboard player who could add sustain to
    the group.  Brent did that with his Hammond playing.  Vince plays
    mostly piano, from what I've heard.  MIDI has added a lot of different
    sounds to the group, but they lack the extended fills and swells that
    the Hammond gave them.  I think Vince is the better musician, but I'm
    still not that excited about his sound.  He does seems to have become
    instantly accepted by the fans, something Brent never had (or thought
    he had).
    
    Jamie
23.898keyboard.player;4PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastTue Sep 28 1993 15:5512
re            <<< Note 23.897 by STUDIO::IDE "It don't mean a thing." >>>

>    still not that excited about his sound.  He does seems to have become
>    instantly accepted by the fans, something Brent never had (or thought
>    he had).
    
Interesting observation.  When I first heard Vince was the new KB player,
I wasn't too sure about him.  However, seeing him live, in the flesh, I
got an instant (accepting) impression that he looks like he's "been around
the block" enough times to keep up with the boys.

Josh
23.899NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Sep 28 1993 16:115
Funny, I always heard that Keith was tossed because he was too
wasted on heroin to stay awake for a whole show - he sure looked
it, anywayz....

tim
23.900STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Tue Sep 28 1993 16:132
    Maybe it's more along the lines of what they were looking for in a
    replacement, not a major reason for getting rid of him/them.
23.901CXDOCS::BARNESTue Sep 28 1993 16:145
    keith was tossed because he refused to play anything but a baby
    grand.....and because his ole lady could only carry a tune when wasted
    on ......never mind!
    
    rfb
23.902I can see a use for Donna G.NOVA::ZASTERATue Sep 28 1993 17:347
I don't know, when they were doing that harmonizing on "He's gone" (Nuthins
gonna bring him back) Friday night, Linda and I were thinking "where's Donna
when they really need her"--that lady could do some might fine wailing on
occasion!!
              Craig

       
23.903CXDOCS::BARNESTue Sep 28 1993 17:464
    on occasion yes.....most of the time...NOT!!!! I do like the stuff on
    CD that she's on..."I remember breezes, like winds thru my body...keep
    me high.."
    rfb
23.904JARETH::BSEGALTue Sep 28 1993 17:4931
    Well, thanks for all your feedback about my comment earlier about the
    lack of energy Friday. Some good points made to be sure. A few closing
    comments, however:
    
    1. I agree that sometimes they're on, sometimes off energy-wise
    and set-list-wise and have always given them slack because the next one
    will be better. My beef was that the Friday show was the worst I had 
    ever seen in that context. It was below the point of acceptable. The
    only shred of anything remotely exciting was the Scarlet/Fire jam.
    Previous low points, in my experience, were never *that* low where I
    had to search so hard for the redeeming feature of the night. But I
    won't belabor this further. Will just hope for a better show next time.
    
    2. Yeah, I know the guys are pushing 50 and was prepared to see them
    pick their spots rather than wail away non-stop for 3 or 4 hours. But
    there were few "spots" in my opinion.
    
    3. I believe Keith was indeed asked to leave because of drugs. On a
    good night, though, he was the best. Brent I didn't care for. Vince
    I like better than Brent, but neither compare to Keith. I mean
    sometimes there are "Jerry" nights , when he carries the load, "Bobby"
    nights, etc. Well, there were "Keith" nights too that were just as
    incredible as a Jerry night on occasion. I don't think Keith's
    successors have attained that level. I don't say this, again, because
    I long for the past; just to add my perspective to the discussion about
    the merits of the various keyboard players.
    
    
    Enjoy the shows this week!
    
    - Bob
23.905CXDOCS::BARNESTue Sep 28 1993 17:5912
    bob, 
    to continue...(as if we need to %^) ) 
    that's why I go everynite of the run....that one show where ya go "what
    the ...?" is offset by the two other nites where ya go
    "YAAA!!!!!!!!!!!"  had to explain this to Patty a couple of times a few
    years ago, actually "forcing" her to go every nite/day until she
    understood. (Wife Forced to DEADSHOW, news at 10) 
    
    some weired comparison here, one of my fav tapes from Denver 90(?)
    MacNichols, the last nite....was the show I asked "what da ?"
    
    rfb
23.906i would like to own a B3 someday, howeverROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Tue Sep 28 1993 18:2211
>    One of the reasons they replaced Keith was because he rarely played
>    organ, just piano.  This gave them a band of all percussive
>    instruments, and they wanted a keyboard player who could add sustain to
>    the group.  Brent did that with his Hammond playing.  Vince plays
>    mostly piano, from what I've heard.

i really like the Hammond sound, but only in moderation; i'd rather see more
piano; maybe that's one reason why i like Vince and Keith (thru tapes only,
that is) better than Brent

- rich
23.907NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Sep 28 1993 18:5314
>  some weired comparison here, one of my fav tapes from Denver 90(?)
>  MacNichols, the last nite....was the show I asked "what da ?"

	rfb,

I'm gonna have to go back and listen to that one - not only is that
when I actually met you, but I taped that one...now where did I
put that tape...;-)

That was a fun time, though...is that the show with the hot Deal 
closing the first set, or was that the previous night?

tim
 
23.908JARETH::BSEGALTue Sep 28 1993 18:5626
    One more point that just occurred to me and then I'll leave it be.
    
    "In the old days", it was easier to obtain tickets and they were much
    cheaper. As a result, it was easier to go to multiple shows, which
    in turn made it easier to dismiss a bad concert because you could easily 
    see three more without too much hassle. (As an aside, I remember once 
    losing my $4.50 ticket and having to get another at the concert from a 
    fellow Deadhead for *face value*---and then lamenting how I had spent 
    *NINE DOLLARS* for one show!)
    
    Obviously, these days, tix are much more expensive and more difficult
    to get so that it's more of an ordeal to go multiple nights. So for
    "one-nighters", that makes each show that much more precious and makes
    one less tolerant of an off night (even when you understand the whole
    Dead vibe with hills and valleys), especially if it's *really* off.
    
    So perhaps this difference (and the fact that I have been spoiled by
    dozens of other terrific concerts this year by other artists) colored my 
    reaction to the lackluster show more than it would have in the past.
    
    But hey, them's the breaks, and I don't want to continue here as Mr.
    Bummer. Hopefully they'll be "on" this week and beyond. (Sounds like
    Sunday was more like it.)
    
    - Bob
    
23.909NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Sep 28 1993 18:575
-and then lamenting how I had spent 
    *NINE DOLLARS* for one show!)

Shit.  Parking costs more than that now...

23.910CXDOCS::BARNESTue Sep 28 1993 18:5910
    ya, we were right behind the taper section (and you, Tim) cause we were
    escorting Dan Hoot Gibson in his wheelchair. Don't remember a DEAL that
    nite...(hmmm, now i gotta go check the setlist note)
    do remember a SLOW, LOW energy show (turned some friends on to
    their first show that nite--they haven't been back since) but when the
    tape arrived (from you, maybe????) i remember saying to myself "that
    show wasn't that good if you were there, but the tape!!!!!"
    
    also remember big grins on yer face before and after the shows but a
    real SERIOUS look on yer faces when taping.....%^)
23.911CXDOCS::BARNESTue Sep 28 1993 19:013
    Bob, 
    you can't be Mr. Bummer in this file...it's not allowed   %^)
    rfb
23.912NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Sep 28 1993 19:079
First time I ever taped.  Karin and I had six decks we were trying to
run all at once...I wasn't used to such stress at a Deadshow.  We had
front row Taper Section seats, so there was an aisle in front of us for
room, but I was a wreck.  Never saw so many D5's and D6's in my life.

Nowadays, I stay away from that kind of tension, and indulge in a
new Deadshow pastime, or new for me at least - dancing....

tim
23.913NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Sep 28 1993 19:087
Actually, I was about to offer a welcome to Bob - haven't seen your
name around here until lately...Welcome!!!

(I know, you're probably a read-only, but the more writers the better.
It keeps me from looking silly quite so often...)

tim
23.914CXDOCS::BARNESTue Sep 28 1993 19:146
    RE:"it keeps me from looking silly quite so often"
    that makes two of us!!! 
    
    welcome Bob!
    
    rfb
23.915JARETH::BSEGALTue Sep 28 1993 19:5910
    Thanks folks. I'm a big music nut and have very diverse interests 
    (have tix for Belly/Radiohead, Special Beat, Alison Krause; have seen Steely
    Dan, Neil Young, X, The Drovers, Marcia Ball, Clannad, Etta James, Lyle
    Lovett, etc. this year) but the Dead are still the cornerstone of my 
    collection and consciousness, despite the changes over the years. Since I 
    hadn't been to a Dead show in 8-10 years, thought I'd check in with this 
    notes conference again. Nice to see good people still abound.
    
- Bob
    
23.9169/28/93 - Yowsa!!NECSC::LEVYI'm predestined to believe in Free WillWed Sep 29 1993 11:1144
Ok, I'll try a review.

	Boston Garden, Boston MA.
	Tue. Sept. 28, 1993

	 I:  Touch of Grey, Greatest Story Ever Told, Row jimmy, Minglewood
	     So Many Roads, Masterpiece, BirdSong.  ( ~ 58 min)
	II:  China > Rider, Samson > Uncle John's Band > Playin' > Jam > Drumz
	     > Space > Attics > throwing Stones > Good Lovin.
	 E:  US Blues  (~ 102 Min)


I had been planning on picking up Ms. Koyner at the airport around 4 and
heading into the show.  Well, around 2pm she says that there's too much work to
do and she won't make it up.  Fortunately, my neigbor Paul is willing to drop
everything and head in with me.

My experience of this show was that it was just OUTSTANDING!  However, as I was
discussing with folks yesterday, one's experience is entirely in one's head and
may not have much direct relation to anyone else's experience.  I see that, at
least, Tim Dalton agrees with my feeling.

The first set could not have been any better, IMHO. Row Jimmy was a surprise
for me...slow and sweet with an astounding jam in the middle...blew me away for
a 3rd tune.  So Many Roads was WONDERFUL...Jerry ended up leaning back and
wailing!  Bird Song was extraterestrial... with some hints of the sounds we'd
get in the 2nd set.  I thought that this was one of the absolutely best 1st
sets I've ever heard in both song selection and execution.  The sound was
crystal clear and Phil was just all over the place.

China > Rider was nicely played with lots of energy. The jam into the Drumz was
magnificent.  The instruments sounded clear with LOTS of interplay.  Vince kept
on pushing Jerry to keep going...every time that Jerry seemed to lose direction
or intensity, Vince would hop in with a solo and a tease that would jump-start
Garcia to go in more interesting directions.  Drumz & Space...well what can I
say...I love this stuff.  Space was apocalyptical with air-raid sirens and all
sorts of synthesized sounds...very long. Attics was the perfect breath of fresh
air coming out of the darkness of Space.  T/S > Good Lovin seemed to lose a
touch of the energy and accuracy but were nicely done and perfectly fine
ending.  Even US Blues was nice...I didn't find myself groaning over it.

Great night...could we possibly hope for anything as nice tonight?

	dave
23.917STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Wed Sep 29 1993 11:1133
    Just to prove that good seats don't make all the difference . . .
    
    I give last night's show a 4 -- if it weren't for the post-drums
    section (Attics>TS>Good Lovin), I'd probably give it a 2.  The playing
    was extremely sloppy and Bobby muffed lines in every song he sang.  I
    was disappointed in the song selection too.
    
    A few observations from down front:
    
    The Bobby spitting jokes are no joke at all!  That man expectorates
    like a fire hydrant.  It rarely clears the lip of the stage, so the
    raingear jokes aren't to be taken seriously.  :-)
    
    Bob needs a guitar/rack combo with one switch: on/off.
    
    I thought I was at a Tom Jones show -- the comely young woman in the
    first row had a sign which read "Bob -- get to know me, you'll like me." 
    Later on she threw him a flower with a note and a key attached.  I
    mentioned that Bob might be happier if I were holding the sign and she
    said "My friend and I can set him straight."
    
    Phil's discordant chord at the end of "Touch" was intentional -- that
    was the only intentional gaffe of the night.
    
    The security guards have gotten some flak, but a little scene I
    witnessed in the hallway helps me understand their attitude.  Someone
    crashed the gate and was being pursued -- he took out four guards, two
    cops, and upended the Greenpeace table before finally being restrained. 
    Anyone who just caught the tail end of this -- one head being escorted
    out by six security people -- would have a very different impression
    than someone who witnessed the whole scene.
    
    Jamie
23.918Last night: "7"...CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingWed Sep 29 1993 12:0515
Thanks to Jamie for the upgrade to 2nd row for the last four songs of the 
first set: I shot two 24 exp. rolls of Ektar 1000 with my newly acquired 
F2-AS (circa '79) with an 80-200 F2.8 Nikkor zoom. Can't wait to see how 
they came out. 

Being up front definitely gives you a different slant on a dead show. All
in all, a religious experience for any dead fan, but you tend to fall into
a trap: being that close gives you more of the feeling of sitting in a
recording studio with the band rather than a feeling of being a spectator
at a live show: you see every gesture and technical error made, and those
seem amplified by the lighting show while the PA's blast the real message
right past you into the throng. 

What's definitely clear on the Dead's faces from being up close is that 
_they_ are having fun.
23.919BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadWed Sep 29 1993 12:2455
re: tuesday's show.


Tuesday's show certainly was good and triggered a re-order:  right now, for
me, Friday #1, Tues, Sun, Sat.  I was in 7th row last night so I had a great
view of what was goin' down.

I though most of the first set dragged - like Jamie mentioned, Bob was screwing
up lots and lots of lines and cues - amazing.  Last night was Bob's night for
guitar problems - Sunday was Jerry's night.  SO Many Roads got the show going.
It started slow, but, having seen this song before, I knew it had a build-up
toward the end that just might light the place up.  And, it did.  Jerry 
_CRANKED_ -- Jack Cutler, a DEChead who's been seeing the dead since '69,
turned to me and commented: "That's the most animated I've seen Jerry in many
years!"  Jerry indeed was rockin' and pulling from deep inside his soul during
So Many Roads.  That got Bob fired up for Masterpiece, which was hot, I 
thought.  Then BIRD SONG --- the high-light of the show for me!  Finally, the
boys spent a little time exploring music - and, the jam had much substance
to it.  I was psyched.  The Jam in bird song is what the dead are all about,
I just wish they did that stuff more...

I'd figured we'd get a Bob 2nd set opener, but nope, Jerry blasted out with
China Cat...  I thought the china->rider was fairly low energy, and Bob
really screwed up the typically climatic delivery of Jerry's lines:  "I wish
I was a headlight..."  It may have not be noticible to those not in close
view, but, it really effected it for me.  Sampson was fair- I think they could
have put more punch to it.  UJB, which is one of my fave's, was alright.  They
jammed a bit, but I guess I was hoping for more exploratory jamming.  Then
they went into Playin'.  I was psyched as this is one of my fave songs 'cuz
of the Jamming Potential (tm).  They did jam, but, I thought it didn't go
anywhere.  Sort of disjointed, and eventually the jam fell into a space/feedback
kinda thing....  drums was alright, not as cool as sunday though.  Space was
interesting, especially towards the end.  I thought they were gonna do Stella
for a bit, then i started to hear riffs of Attics.  I like it when they do
that kind of thing.  Attics was very nice, and suprisingly, Bob didn't screw
up.  TS, well, TS was TS, except:  towards the end, bob was having guitar
problems.  Bob went to his rack just as they were about to go into the ending
lyrics.  Bob signalled Jerry to take it away.... so, jerry just sort of 
started jammin' a bit - which goes to show, that any dead song can have an
extended exploratory jam.  Finally, bob got it working, i guess, and polished
TS off.  I was expecting NFA, instead, we got Good Lovin', which, contrary to
other opinions, I thought was ok.  Perhaps I thought this way 'cuz I don't
get to hear that one too often.

US Blues was US Blues.

So, now you're wondering why I gave this show a 2 ranking out of 4.  Well,
for one, the Bird Song had probably the most to do with it... then, the second
set song selection.  This show could have topped them all if there was more
exploratory jamming in the UJB->playing segue - in March '90 albany show, the
second set before drums was Playin->UJB->Terrapin, and it was at least as
long as last night's pre-drums set: in other words: lots of exploratory jammin'
on that night!! 

Security posed no problems for me the entire night.
23.920BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadWed Sep 29 1993 12:5059
re: Bob and mid-70s shows vs. today's shows


Your observations are quite valid.  I'm sure that folks who were die-hard
fans in the late 60s and early 70s (aka: pigpen era) thought the dead changed
drastically when the same people saw them play in the mid-late 70s.  The
I've always maintained that the dead  had 3 phases, actually now, a 4th phase 
is emerging: the Vinny phase.

Funny, each phase is centered around a keyboardist's stint with the band.

The 60s/early 70s was extremely high-energy psychedillic music.  There are some
shows i've heard where jerry just doesn't let up - when i listen to tapes
from that era, then go to see Ronnie Earl at the bull, i always think that
during that time, Jerry played with the intensity that Ronnie plays with - just
basically beating the heck out of the guitar.  pigpen also brought a heavy
blues influence, which disappeared when he went on his way.

73-79 definitely was a time of a more laid-back dead:  long, extremely
spacey jams vs. the 60s raw, electric, acid jams.  immediately, the may '77
run comes to mind: an awesome example of music from that era that has a
clearly different sound then, say, LIVE/DEAD.

the 80s and into 1990 was definitely the Brent Phase.  different sound, the
jams got shorter, and blues once again found its way into the Dead Sound,
thanks to Brent.  as the 80s wore one, the band became tighter and seemed
to start evolving back to more exploratory jamming.  Jerry got his Midi - i
remember him breaking that out in NJ in '88 or '89 or so.  At first, I didn't
like it at all, then, i got used to it - and jerry loved to try new things
with it which lead to more improv. in the music.  during spring 1990, the
brent phase, for me, peaked.  The albany shows that year were VERY hot, and
even the Oct '89 run in NJ made for some hot shows.  They were starting to
pull out some new-old stuff, and working it in the sets... then, brent went
on his way (RIP).

Now, the vinny phase.  slow coming together, but, i reckon a good thing takes
time to form itself.  During this phase, Hornsby was a part of the act.  
Hornsby was always great at getting jerry to take it one step further.  Vinny
isn't that bold, yet.  Perhaps someday though.  The exploratory spacy jams
have nearly gone away, with some exceptions (bird song last night, for example,
has been one of the best exploratory jams of the boston run).  It used to be
that from the beginning of the second set to drums, they'd be constantly
playing - now, after most songs, they stop playing, and start another tune.
I used to love the jams between songs when bob would pull the band one way, then
jerry would pull it his way, and sometimes for fun, phil would come in and
try to really confuse things.  it was fun trying to guess where they were
gonna go.  perhaps now, that is the status quo and one must get used to that
new emerging style.  maybe it'll change, maybe not.  the Giants show i saw
this past summer, i thought, was great - a nice 15-18 minute sugaree... long
and sweet......

so, i guess, the bottom line is that the dead are evolving.  jerry is no
longer 28 years old.  some fans stay, others leave.  new people join.  it is
an interesting thing to watch....  sometimes i ponder where the dead will
be in 10 yrs.  Will they be playing coffee houses?  or, will they be playing
stadiums?  no one knows for sure......  what happens when the dead go away?
for lots of folks, the dead are a significant portion of one's life... in
away, it'll be like losing a loved one for some, i would think, for others,
they'll just go on their way, find something new to do....
23.921MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Wed Sep 29 1993 13:0223
	Had a blast last night.  With the Row O (NO;-) stadiums,
	we went to the customer service desk to exchange em for
	non-obstructed view tix.  "We apologize Mr Hannan, here are
	your Phil Zone floor seats"  ;-);-)  Well OK!!  (THanks fog!)
	
	Well played first set aside from the technical errors (throughout
	the show actually).  Bird Song took me places, sure was nice!

	Didn't do too bad in the song predictions - China->Rider and Playin
	anyway.  We'll get that Dark Star soon ;-)   Sampson not on a sunday,
	I wonder how often that happens.

	The UJB->Playing->JAM was amazing from my perspective, with the
	emphasis on jam, and jam they did!  Mind left body jam for sure!

	Sound was pretty horrendous, even near the sbd.   Very loud, and
	distorted.   Heard Vince I think during Attics.

	All in all, real glad I was able to go, and looking forward to 2 more.

	Ken

	
23.922:-) :-) :-) MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRdust off those rusty stringsWed Sep 29 1993 13:0814
    
    John and I did only the sunday show.  We spent much of the afternoon
    enjoying the scene outside, had dinner at the brewery - saw a bunch of
    DECheads - this is always fun.  the show before the show makes me feel
    really mellow.  I remember when i first started going to shows -
    hearing the line 'this isn't even the good part, yet' when referring to
    the parking lot tours - it's like a warmup for what's to come when you
    get into the show.  
    
    When they started playing sunday nite, warmth flowed through my body
    and that forever smile I had been wearing got even wider.  I said to
    john 'this is why we do it'.  *sigh*
    
    carol
23.923wow! wow! wow!PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastWed Sep 29 1993 13:3662
	 I:  Touch of Grey, Greatest Story Ever Told, Row jimmy, Minglewood
	     So Many Roads, Masterpiece, BirdSong.  ( ~ 58 min)
	II:  China > Rider, Samson > Uncle John's Band > Playin' > Jam > Drumz
	     > Space > Attics > throwing Stones > Good Lovin.
	 E:  US Blues  (~ 102 Min)

Wow!  The sound was outstanding, much more Phil and Bob than I've heard 
the previous 3 nights.  I was sitting a few seats to the left of the middle
of the board.  First few songs of the first set was much louder than the 
previous 3 1st sets - around 110 dB, vs. 100 db.

I really liked Greatest  - Jerry really leaned into the wah-wah sound, like
back in '72.  Phil played thunderous bass, and I could finally head Bob turned
up loud in the mix.  On Row Jimmy, Phil played real "lead bass", creating
amazingly intricate riff patterns, about 3 orders of magnitude beyond anything
I could previously even begin to conceive could be played!!!
Mingledwood put a slight slowdown in the set, for me, but Jerry really 
poured his heart out on So Many Road.  Masterpiece started out very dainty,
Jerry had midi acoutic sound, but slowly built up. Also, they ended it with
a very nice three part ascending vocal harmony, which I hadn't heard before:
Bob starts out When I paint.... my masterpieccccccc (Jerry comes in) cCCCCCCCCC
(Vince comes in) EEEEECCCCCCCCC!!!!!!
(Or maybe they came in one at a time on the "painnnnnnnnnnttttt" part)

On the final jams, I was looking carefully at Garcia through my binoculars - he
has this amazing  expression of concentration on his face, and seemed to be
beaming, make this blasting, his acoustic (sounding) solos right into the front
rows. Birdsond, as JC noted, is indeed getting a serious "Playin" style
mid-song space-out.   The Dead did in fact disassemble the fabric of time and
space here, but fortuately for us, put it back to together so we'd have
someplace  to go for the break!

Garcia, for all he says about not trying to be the shaman-god of the Deadheads,
sure did play up that role though last night!  I mean, he ends the first set
singing "I'll show you... snow and rain... snow and rain.. snow and rain" 
like a Pied Piper.  Like in Tommy, "come through the mirror, boy!"
Then (jumping ahead in my review), he ends the show with U.S. blues:
"I'm Uncle Sam, thats who I am, been hiding out in a rock'n'roll band".

China-Rider seemed to be the popular "call".  More Jerry midi-acoustic sound
in the jam, which did have a faultering spot here or there.  Phil was laying
his classic bass-bombs during Rider.  Sampson was pretty good, UJB better.
Playing was also very nice, but the space jam in it also got a bit
disorganized.  I thought I heard someone in the band playing a few notes of
the reprise, but it just merged on into more jam.  I liked the drums the
best of the 4 nights, and finally Healy did some different sound effects.
I too thought I heard a note or 2 of Stella Blue, but I got my first Attics :-)
TS was a lame choice for me, I would have prefered a Playin->UJB double
reprise.

Bob ain't no Pigpen when it comes to Good Loving raps, but at least I got to 
hear lots and lots and lots of his nice guitar riffing.

Well, I'd rate the show a notch or 2 better than Fridays.   Mostly pretty 
damn good, only one or 2 song choices that for me broke up the enery flow.
Can't wait to hear my tape of the show!  Greatest Story!  
I think we had a record number of decks running in the pit.

I'm getting the tour flu!  Woke up this AM with the Sahara Dessert in my 
throat.  

Josh
23.924Lynn loved it!!!!!!!!!ABE::BXOFRN::ROYlose your step fall outa graceWed Sep 29 1993 13:4536
    
    	Wow!  I can't add the detail that some of you did, but what I was
    	able to hear was great.....  Unfortunately, I had stage rear
    	stadiums, and when TOG started, I couldn't even recognize it.
    	I had my M-I-L with me, so started scoping other seats.  Thanks
    	to mail with Adam S., I checked out balcony 72, and it was much
    	better.  The sound was clearer, not great, and the view was over
    	Billy's right shoulder......
    
    	I thought the 2nd set smoked...... Can't wait to get tapes from
    	my taper friend.....
    
    	I also saw the young lady with the sign, we cracked up over that
    	one!!!!  What are these people thinking anyway????
    
    	Also noted, Bobby has a small bald spot on the top of his head,
    	Micky got seriously physical with the beam, Jerry really looked
    	like he was having fun during TS, got to watch the circus act
    	of the lighting guys climbing down and then up the rope ladder 
    	to the lighting staging during set break, those guys are insane!
    	The vocals were amazing compared to my last few shows (few and
    	far between)......
    
    	Also, good to meet the few I did meet at the Commonwealth, Lynn
    	really enjoyed the classic stout, and I couldn't believe the
    	bitter, I now have a new goal in life, to try and approach a
    	homebrew like that.....
    
    	Had some fun with folks reaction to Lynn being there.  The first
    	check on the way in, the security folks check your ticket.  She
    	went first, then me, the guy looks at me, turns looks at her,
    	then turns back just shaking his head in amazement, had a good
    	laugh.....
    
    	all in all, a gooood show.....   Glen(n)
    
23.925I got some extra earplugs..PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastWed Sep 29 1993 13:4911
Re: Ken's horrendous sound.  Hey, man, that was your ears distorting.  You
GOTTA wear earplugs!!!  I've been wearing plugs all the time, and its
still very very loud.  The booklet with my sound pressure level meter says
at 110 db, you are allowed 1/2 hour exposure per day!

Space, the first night, peaked at over 120 db.  Most first sets around
100 db, second 100 creaping up to 105, 110.   First night was much louder
than the second two.  Last night's first set was very loud again.

Josh
23.926Ear plugs!BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadWed Sep 29 1993 13:5211
Yes, I second the ear plugs thing.  Sounds whimpy, but, I like my hearing!

If you are anywhere in the first 20 rows, bring them!  Last night would have
been a painful night without them.  I wore them the whole time.  I fiddle
with them a little bit to get just the right amount of volume.  when i get
home, no ringing in the hears, no headaches...

Even when i was in promenade U, behind the tapers, and promenade x, phil side
of tapers, the sound was LOUD.

Ear plugs are definitely the way to go, i reckon anyways.  
23.927NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Sep 29 1993 13:5625
What a grate time!

I have a hard time comparing shows - I've been to Friday, Saturday and
last night, and loved them all - Saturday was a little sleepy, but
all in all, I've had a wonderful time every night.  I've had shows in
the past that seemed disappointing at the time, but to tell you the 
truth, if I were to try right now to remember even one, I'd probably 
never do it!

Masterpiece, Birdsong; UJB->Playin' was wonderful.  Attics.  Good Lovin'...

I wasn't privy to the fine floor sound: I was only hidin' out in the 
rafters behind the stage...but I danced my ass off all night long, and
can't remember when I had such a good time.

I want a Lovelight!!!  A really, really, LONG LOVELIGHT!!!

;-)

tim

P.S. Geoff & Robyn, sorry for blowin' you guys off at the CBC, but I had
to run for the last train to Alewife.  Next time I think I'll just
do the drive and not have to worry about no steenkin' trainssss...;-)

23.928makes for great tapes, but..CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingWed Sep 29 1993 14:447
I find that with the plugs, you can descriminate the different parts of the
music much better, rather than have certain washes of loudness drown out
everything.

Fwiw, I thought the saturday drums-space at MSG went overboard on the 
decibles: much louder than any night so far at BG...
23.929take care of your ears!ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Wed Sep 29 1993 14:5524
>Space, the first night, peaked at over 120 db.

wow (wow #1, that's kind of loud; wow #2, i can't believe you have a decibel
meter with you at the shows)

friday night, in the 3rd row, the sound was not very loud; i think that was
because we were close enough that the full force of the sound from the main
speaker stacks didn't reach us; saturday night, from the balcony on phil's
side, the sound was also not very loud; i guess that's because most of the
speakers face to the front, and not to the sides; tuesday, from the taper's
section, i thought the sound was very loud; from the 9th row center, i thought
the sound was extremely loud; i was glad i had earplugs and definitely used
them

not only will using earplugs cause you to not have pain and/or ringing in your
ears, but if you fiddle with them a bit to get just the right sound, things
will sound an awful lot clearer with them than without them

i've spent several phish shows standing in the front row directly in front of
the left speaker stack, and i am genuinely concerned that i have done a minor
amount of damage to the hearing in my left ear; i'm not about to take that
chance any more; i always carry earplugs to shows now

- rich
23.930I'm bringing earplugs 2night!BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Wed Sep 29 1993 15:066
    I've been wishing that I had earplugs.....At 8:00 this morning my ears
    were still ringing!  
    
    strange_my_ears_feel_like_they've_been_at_a_metallica_concert.....:-)
    
    :), danielle
23.931glad to know I'm not the only one who does things like thatONE900::HUGHESSamurai Couch PotatoWed Sep 29 1993 15:3410
re .929

>>Space, the first night, peaked at over 120 db.
>
>wow (wow #1, that's kind of loud; wow #2, i can't believe you have a decibel
>meter with you at the shows)

You mean you DON'T take your trusty RS sound level meter to concerts? :-)

gary
23.932sPONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastWed Sep 29 1993 15:385
>You mean you DON'T take your trusty RS sound level meter to concerts? :-)

thats the one I have.

Josh
23.933whtdja say ? huh ?MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Wed Sep 29 1993 16:2113
re: <<< Note 23.925 by PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKIN "the slow one now will later be fast" >>>
>                        -< I got some extra earplugs.. >-

> Re: Ken's horrendous sound.  Hey, man, that was your ears distorting.  You
> GOTTA wear earplugs!!!  I've been wearing plugs all the time, and its

I was wondering about earplugs, something I always said no way to.
I found it interesting that you said the sound was great, since we were
about 10-15' apart.

See ya at the CommBC most likely.

Ken
23.934JARETH::BSEGALWed Sep 29 1993 18:1310
    Well folks, after seeing the set list for Tuesday night and talking to
    my friends who went, I couldn't stand having that Friday show be my
    lasting memory of the Dead in Boston for this year. 
    
    So I scrounged up a ticket for Thursday at BG and will report back with
    (hopefully) a great review. See some of you there perhaps. I'll be in
    section 32 wearing a black baseball hat with a picture of the earth on 
    the front.
    
    - Bob
23.935STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Thu Sep 30 1993 11:134
    Now *that* was a show.  What can I say, that was without a doubt the best
    show of the Boston run.
    
    Jamie
23.936LANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Sep 30 1993 11:297
           <<< Note 23.935 by STUDIO::IDE "It don't mean a thing." >>>

So did you have a better time because you brought your raincoat? :)

:)
bob

23.937AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulThu Sep 30 1993 11:4213
	Grate Show!  I don't regret not being able to make it tonight
	after last nights show.  I've been wanting to hear Eyes
	wicked bad, I'm satisfied!

	It seemed the it took at least 3 minutes after they started Eyes
	before Jerry walked up to sing.  amazing!

	I liked the whole show, I wasn't to psyched to hear a couple of
	the songs, but with a viriety like that, I have no complaints.

	Highlights for me: Sugaree, Dire Wolf, Tennessee Jed (wicked!),
			   Eyes (burning), Terrapin, Sugar Mag (rippin). 
23.938NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 12:0015
    Quite a show indeed!  Can't wait for tonight, on the floor again (gotta
    go get those earplugs soon)...
    
    Fog, I took your advice - my seat last night was way in the back of 57,
    completely obscured view and shitty sound.  Customer service turned me
    over to this guy named Dick, who marked up my stub and sat me in the
    third row of section T, behind the tapers, on the aisle - terrific
    seat!  The only problem was that when they went in to Terrapin, I
    couldn't sit still - too crowded - so I went off to the rafters to
    dance instead.
    
    One of my very, very favorite shows....I can't wait for tonight!
    
    tim
    
23.939ticketpro or mail order swaps????SOLVIT::BXOFRN::ROYlose your step fall outa graceThu Sep 30 1993 12:2415
    
    	re: customer service.....
    
    	Are you folks upgrading garden/ticketpro tix, or mailorder tix?
    
    	I tried it last night with my mailorders, and they wouldn't even
    	talk to me.....
    
    	Great shows, garden/boston s@#&s............
    
    	They did the street sweep again last night.  Got caught in it, and
    	had to walk to the Haymarket stop to get the train.....
    
    	oh well, Glen(n)
    
23.940NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 12:2912
    My ticket was a mailorder.  Truly shitty seat.  They were very kind.
    
    I resolved the train issue by simply going the CBC for 45 minutes while
    the crowds dissipated, and then walked straight to the Haymarket
    station from there.  Far less stress than fighting the crowd and the
    cops, and I got to hear a little more music and have a coupla bitters
    before hitting the road.
    
    A fine night, in every sense.
    
    tim
    
23.941BINKLY::DEMARSERipple in still water...Thu Sep 30 1993 12:5210
    I had quite a lengthy conversation with a police officer as the police
    sweep was starting.  We were standing on Causeway street, so we weren't
    in the way of the sweep.  I told him that I felt the street sweep was a
    rude approach, and etc etc etc...all he said was, "Loitering is not
    allowed in Boston streets. City Law."  So my conversation with him did
    no good but at least I was able to speak my opinion...I ended up
    wandering into the pizza place on the corner and hanging out in there
    until the sirens stopped....
    
    :), danielle
23.942BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadThu Sep 30 1993 13:149
re: cops in boston

I would suggest for folks who have experienced this "street sweep" or any
other unneccessary cop-force stuff, to write a letter to the globe expressing
your thoughts.  the globe is pretty supportive of the grateful dead in
general.  

i always took off right after the show, so i never saw the "street sweep".

23.943SUBPAC::MAGGARDCareful with that AXP Eugene!Thu Sep 30 1993 13:2413
re: street sweeps

I'm sure that the 'heads would be there all night if given the chance...
And I'm very sure that the cops would rather be home snoring away than
standing there watching heads all night.  Seems reasonable to me that they
(the cops) would like to go home, and also that they can't leave until the
place is 'secured.'  Although a tad firm in their approach, they seem
reasonable (e.g. Tim's experience).

- jeff


23.944review: wedsBIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadThu Sep 30 1993 13:2849
review.... weds:



ok, now the shows are getting better!  last night was a very good show.  my
perspective was totally changed as i was sitting straight back in U promenade
vs. the 2 previous nights @ 7th and 8th row.  what a difference in both
sound and experience.  up front, you're one with the band.  when you're back,
you're one with the show: you can take in the lights :-) etc.

i called the hellina bucket->sugaree opener.  hot hot hot hot!!!  sugaree was
long and nice...  dire wolf is always a pleasure.  Loose Lucy - the first
repeat of the run...   TN Jed was cool too - you should see the people react 
down south in NC for this one!!!

EYES!!!!!  what can I say?  hot!  long!!  actually, i feared for a victum
in there, but we didn't get it.. :-)  you guys will get victum->dark star
tonight :-).  looks like rain, a song i'm not to fond of, was pretty good too!
bob playing the acoustic guit-box made it better for me.... actually, this
whole show i got to finally hear bob... he does some pretty cool stuff
there.  how 'bout that MEGA MEGA terrapin tease?????????  then vinny
expressed interested in singing long way... cool;  then, the terrapin!!  nice
terrapin, although i do feel they should have primed the pump a bit more
before "inspiration moves me" line...

drums/space..... totally different from sitting "way back" ... i like drums,
last night was nothing special.....  out of space, i heard the stella blue.
jerry's been wanting to play that for a few nights - the previous night he
teased us with stella and ended up doing attics.  last night, i heard the
stella and i was only dreaming a few hours earlier on the way into boston
about getting a playin' reprise out of space!  then, it happened!!! another
example of Grateful Dead magic - streching a tune to 2 shows is, as one guy
from california once said to me, "a mindf!ck".  i always long for donna to
whail, but, alas, all i can do is my best impression YAAAAAHYAHAYYAHAYAYAY!!
playin' reprise was _great_ out of space;  then, finally, jerry got to do his
stella.  and, as Mr "claimin'" Russo said, SugMag was rippin'.  Great light
show on the sunshine daydream paht.....

liberty, well, i was disappointed as this was the second time this run that
they did it for an encore.  phyllis, i was thinking of you!!  i was really
hoping for an lsd, but... i guess i can't have my cake and eat it! :-).

that ends the run for me.  i need tonight to prepare for the weekend - i've
been running w/ no nights free for over 7 days now... can you spell burnout???

so, tonight, i don't know what to expect.  victum->dark star?  esto?  kc jonez?
bertha??  lsd encore?  maybe a we bid you good night?  

until March '94....
23.945such high hopes, maybe too high.....SOLVIT::BXOFRN::ROYlose your step fall outa graceThu Sep 30 1993 13:3721
    
    	Yeah, I can see that point, but we were about 50' from the
    	no station terminal, didn't know that haymarket was at the end of
    	the sweep, don't know boston well enough, and it added another
    	1/2 hour or so to our stay.....
    
    	I think I'll set up my own little sweep when those kind folks
    	show up in my N.H. town to view our annual fall touristo event
    	8*)))))
    
    	Emotions are hard to control.....  What with 3 nights of behind
    	the stage seats, scalper agencies selling 'really good seats'
    	for $110, rude impersonal cust. service at the garden (I didn't
    	hassle them, asked real nice for swap, maybe too nice),,,,,,,,,,
    	I really have to choke back on this.....  Oh well, at least the
    	last two shows have been hot, I didn't get shut out entirely,
    	haven't gotten stuck with the extras I did have, and, I get to
    	sleep in tomorrow..... nothing left to do but, :) :) :)
    
    	Glen(n).....
    
23.946NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 13:3912
I can hardly blame the cops for clearing the streets, and I've found
that they have been, for the most part, pretty reasonable.  My
experience with Jessie on Friday was more on the dramatic side, but
it still worked out - I mean, I suppose they could have continued to
roust me, or even lock me up for refusing to abandon the search for
my daughter.

The crowd outside the Garden is a hassle, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm more than happy to bolt to the CBC and get a beer, rather than
hang out with the walking Dead(head)s on the street.

tim
23.947Looking forward to tonight, too.TRETOP::SAMILJANThu Sep 30 1993 13:5323
    Don't know about what happened with the cops after the show, but BEFORE
    the show they were just awful trying to blow off the vendors on the
    streets across from the Garden.  The rode motorcycles on the sidewalks
    to clear people, they were incredibley rude, they were obnoxious with 
    sirens wailing, and just generally causing friction in a peaceful and
    fun environment.
    
    I really don't understand why they couldn't just let folks dig the street
    scene for a while before the show.
    
    And about the show---I thought it was a pretty mellow show, felt
    low-key to me, but the performances were terrific.  I was on the
    floor last night, and frankly, I prefer the balcony on the sides.
    It's more comfortable, you get better perspective of the whole scene,
    and the sound is not so distorted.  (By the way, thanks to all for the
    advice re: ear plugs on the floor.  The plugs really do improve the 
    sound quality in that location.)  Loved the Hell in a Bucket opener.
    
    Looking forward to tonight.  Jerry's been playing and singing in a more
    animated and emotional manner than he has in a long time; I expect him 
    to peak tonight.  Full harvest moon.
    
    Bud 
23.948NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 13:568
I've been wondering if this bit with Detective Mulligan being
gunned down has had any effect on the mood of the cops...they've
all got black ribbons on their badges.

I dunno, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, even when
they're acting like assholes...

tim
23.949MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Sep 30 1993 13:5921
Glenn, what row were your stadium seats ?   Seems to me that if a seat
isn't majorly obstructed, they'd hold back on the upgrade.  A friend of
mine in row R got floor upgrades no problem, same the night before for me
w/ row O (no;-).  Then there are those with row J who complain ;-);-)
[inside joke]

---
re; last nite

Funny how interpretations vary.  I thought last night was good, especially
the first set and Eyes.  Other than that, a strong Sugar mag was *needed*.
Terrapin tease ?   Seems like a huge Jerry *mistake* to me!  I also actually
enjoyed Looks Like Rain!  I really like the acoustic on it.

I've really enjoyed the showz, but it seems to me that Jerry is struggling
a bit with the new guitar, particularly in transitioning from one tune to
another.  But once in the groove, it takes off.  

Looking forward to tonite!!

Ken
23.950ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Thu Sep 30 1993 13:5915
>I'm sure that the 'heads would be there all night if given the chance...
>And I'm very sure that the cops would rather be home snoring away than
>standing there watching heads all night.

tough shit; they can sweep the street all they want; people should get out of
the street as quickly as possible so that they can open up the road for
traffic; the sidewalks, however, are another issue; i'm a citizen of this
country and a tax-paying resident of this state and i've got every damn right
that i want to be standing on the sidewalk without having a horde of cops on
motorcycles advancing on me in a threatening manner, lights flashing and sirens
blasting (at ear piercing levels); if i rode a motorcycle on the sidewalk, i'd
probably get a ticket and/or get arrested; their actions are endangering the
public safety and creating a bad image of the city of Boston

- rich
23.951MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Sep 30 1993 14:017
On earplugs, didn't really need em last nite, but i did try em.
The shooters kind that you crush and insert.   Do you use those ?
Or something less blocking ?   I've cut mine in 1/2 for tonight,
because while a few decibels less would be good, I also like to 
hear the high end!  Maybe the smaller size will help.

Ken
23.952NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 14:064
Yeah, I've always liked Looks Like Rain, too.  I like the acoustic
rendition.  Pretty tune.

tim
23.953not bad, not terrificPONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastThu Sep 30 1993 14:0758
Wed. Sept. 29, 1993
Boston Garden, Boston MA

 I: Hell in a Bucket, Sugaree, Same Thing, Loose Lucy, Black Throated Wind
    Dire Wolf, Eternity, Tennessee jed (~ 68 Min)
II: Eyes of the World > Looks Like Rain (*) > Terrpin Tease.
    Long Way to go Home > Terrapin > MONSTER JAM! > Drumz > Space >
    Playin' in the Band Reprise > Stella > Sugar Magnolia.
 E: Liberty (~ 114 min)

I experienced most of the show through the fog of a 99.5 or 100 degree 
tour_flu fever, so this put a damper on things.  Also, the guy standing
in front of me kept inching backward into me. I'd creep back 1/2 inch,
he'd creep back 1/2 inch, leaving me with about 2 inches less room than I
needed for modest dancing, and not overheating with my fever.  Actually
his LBH girlfriend was doing that first, but then they switched places :-|
I asked him a few times for a little more space, but didn't seem to sink in.
Finally I told him I had the tour_flu and I _REALLY_ needed 2 more inches,
then he cooled out.

Sound didn't seem as good as Tues.  I was standing about 15 feet to the 
front and right of my previous position, this time closer to the board.
Couldn't hear Phil like the night before, and a lot less Bob too.
I wonder if Healy turned 'em down the mix, or if there are bass resonance
nodes on the floor... gonna try to ask the soundboard guys tonight.

On Sugaree, Jerry did his mandolin-style riffing.  Same Thing was nice, but
I couldn't help thinking about Pigpen.  Loose Lucy didn't seem as snakey
as the first one.  BTW was GREAT - highlight of the first set for me.
Eternity should be dropped from the setlist - not a good tune IMHO.
Ten. Jed to end the first set?  A first for me...  did it seem to anyone else
that the big windup before the lat chorus sorta lost a lot of steam about 
halfway though?  You know how it builds up and build up, the crashes into the
chorus TENNESSEE! TENNESSEEE! AIN'T NO PLACE.. etc.  (The same way Sugaree
does)  Well, it seemed to be, about 1/2 way through, then they should gone
up another notch, they went down - like the layed-back Around and Around the
other night.  Oh well - the tapes will tell.

Eyes started out grate, but the latter part of the song sorta doodles about,
IMHO, compared to the riff that Phil used ta do.  LLR was nice to hear 
acoustic, and we _all_ needed to cool down (tempature-wise) after Eyes.
Long Way.. another "eh" song for me.  Terrapin fairly good, the Playin'
reprise the best part of the 2nd set.  The jam into Stella had a few hints
of Morning Dew that the guy behind me agreed he heard too.. "Stella Dew"!

Heard we had 7 DATs running in our little cluster-fu*k (down from 8 last
night :-).

I realized something about what it feels like when a show puts me "THERE", 
when the music really clicks and the crowd is cool.  A pure ecstacy, after
every song I turn to the people I'm with and go "Shit!! I can't believe how
GRATE that sounded!  Was it just me?  Didja HEAR that?" and they have the
EXACT SAME reaction!   And we can't stop smiling, either..  It feels a lot 
like... well, can't say here :-)  I got that for most of the Tues show, and 
most of the first set of the Friday show, and for a few song-sequences for 
other shows.

Josh
23.954NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 14:115
>his LBH girlfriend was doing that first, but then they switched places :-|

LBH?

tim
23.955as in, grinds-to-a-haltPONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastThu Sep 30 1993 14:129
Oh yeah, forgot to add..
Like Ken noted, there seemed to be a few fairly choppy, abrupt transitions.

Ken, with the earplugs, don't stick them so far in they come out yer nose :-).
Seriously, you can pull them most of the way out to let in more hi-end.
This is the "fiddling" that JC refered to back a few nights.

Josh
23.956grate show!ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Thu Sep 30 1993 14:1731
I REALLY enjoyed last night's show, especially the second set.  Got the Eyes
opener of the second set that I'd been hoping for.  After Looks Like Rain, Jeff
and I started sending Terrapin vibes towards the band.  We hear the beginning
of Terrapin, and we're all psyched.  Then it stopped.  I would've been real
pissed if they hadn't played it after they teased us.  But it was worth the
wait.  And Drums/Space, again I was really into it.  Wasn't up real close this
time (sec AA on the floor immediately in front of the taper's section), but I
think being on the floor has something to do with it.  You really get a
surround sound type of effect.  The Playin' reprise continuing the song from
the night before was great (and I could hear Donna wailin' in mind).  And the
Sugar Mag rocked.  Great second set.

I was hoping for an LSD encore.  Maybe tonite.  Although I don't know what
people have against Long Way to go Home and Liberty.  I kind of like both of
them.  I guess maybe it's because I haven't seen too many shows in the past
few years and have no really recent tapes, so a lot of the new songs I haven't
heard too much.  I can understand getting sick of hearing them again and again
and again and again.

One thing that I particularly liked about last night - I had room to dance a
bit.  I scoped out a spot on the floor with the wooden fold-up chairs (held
together by plastic ties).  As soon as the lights went down, I took out my
swiss army knife and started to cut the chairs apart.  We took a 6 chair
X 2 row section, neatly folded up the chairs and stacked them in a pile against
the wall.  Had our own little dancing area.

Hoping for a Dark Star tonite...

- rich

p.s. what's the asterisk next to Looks Like Rain in Tim's setlist for?
23.957AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulThu Sep 30 1993 14:198
	That ain't no street sweeper!!! Thats a "Dead-Head Sweeper"(tm)

	;-)

	I am enjoying the louder shows this run, I think the gahdin needs
	to be cranked up because of all the obstructed hearing/viewing
	seating. 
23.958MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Sep 30 1993 14:1917
	Yeah, I fiddled and diddled (any Johnny Most fans out there ?;-) 
	a bit here and there, but I was far back so I really didn't need em.
	From the 11th roo tonite, I'll definitely be ready!

	I thought we were gonna get a Dew too.

	Oh yeah, when we were going in last nite, Mindy was about to get
	searched, and she said "You know, this is really intrusive!", and
	they waved her thru!  She was psyched!  I was a little worried 	
	because she looked ready for a confrontation, but she got none
	from the other end ;-)

	I had some poor official BG vendor trying to sell Papa Gino's pizza
	in my face 1/2 the nite, shouting "Get your pizza here!" during tunes!
	Geesh!  It wasn't that bad, but I think he thought he was at a ballgame.

	Ken
23.959MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Sep 30 1993 14:201
	Rich, * => Bobby on acoustic guitar
23.960PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastThu Sep 30 1993 14:3215
LBH :== "Long Brown Haired"

first coined by the long-departed DEChead Seth Jackson.

Re: the folding wooden chairs on the floor.  Yeah, people are finally getting
wise to routine.  Fold em up for a set, put em back for the intermission,
put down a fee again for drums/space...

First set was around 100-104 dB average, not as loud as the first set on
Tues.  Second set a bit louder, peaking in Sugar Mag around 118 dB.

I can't believe Healy isn't suffering any hearing loss.

Josh
23.961STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Thu Sep 30 1993 14:3423
    Show opinions may be highly localized, I was right behind Jeff and
    Rich.  Then again, if Josh expects the "Stronger Than Dirt or Milking
    the Turkey jam" with every "Eyes," he's setting himself up for
    disappointment.  :-)
    
    For me, a lot of it is song selection.  "BT Wind" is a favorite, as is
    "Dire Wolf."  "Eyes" might be my most favorite song, and "Terrapin" is
    great too.  On a good night, the songs I'm not that fond of, such as
    "Looks Like Rain" and "Stella Blue" really touch me.  That's what
    happened last night, especially during "Stella Blue," which I thought
    was, uh, stellar.  This was easily one of the ten best shows I've seen,
    maybe even in the top 5.
    
    I've only got one disagreement with the reviews and that's JC's
    comments on the drumz.  I thought that was one of the highlights --
    they made great use of samples and surround sound (reminded me of Fog's
    car :-).  This continued into space, which was much better than the
    scales practice we were "treated" to the previous night.
    
    BTW, are those real bones that Mickey uses as drumsticks?  And what do
    they strap around his neck before drumz? 
    
    Jamie
23.962BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadThu Sep 30 1993 14:3817
re: song transitions


These are nearly non-existent right now accept for the well-establish
tune combos, such as scar->fire, chin->rider.  it used to be that they'd
never stop playing once the second set started until drums.  after a tune,
they'd go into hyperspace and phil, bob, and jerry would sort of "battle"
it out to determine the next tune.  that was great when they did that stuff!!
now, we get pauses during the 2nd set.  pretty different.  perhaps it's
jerry's new guitar, maybe it is just part of the grateful dead evolution.

re: ear plugs

i didn't use 'em until drums/space.  although, a couple of time, i thought
about using 'em!  i still think they had the sound way to loud and some
distortion was present on the high-end.  maybe it was my ears, dunno.  i'm
curious about the tapes - i wonder how they'll come out...
23.963ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Thu Sep 30 1993 14:5033
re: song transitions

yeah, i've noticed that they don't seem to be as prevalent as they used to be;
i kind of miss that

re: ear plugs

didn't use 'em last night; i thought it wasn't quite as loud overall, and
being about 30 rows back from where i was on tuesday certainly made a
difference; ya definitely to have to fiddle to get just that right mixture
of sound dampening somewhere between ear-shattering and muffled-to-the-point-
that-you-can't-hear-the-music

>i'm
>curious about the tapes - i wonder how they'll come out...

oh, from a brief listen last night i think that they're adequate :^)

ya know, all this talk about vince vs. brent got me thinkin' last night...
i was mellowing out during space and started thinkin' how a slow, soulful
brent tune would sound real nice comin' out of space...  yeah, i guess i miss
him too

my extended list of things i want to see that we haven't got yet (not in any
particular order)

Shakedown
Help->Slipknot->Franklin
Dark Star (could be just alone, although i certainly wouldn't complain if they
	did Dark Star->St. Stephen->The Eleven->Lovelight ;^)
Morning Dew

- rich
23.964SUBPAC::MAGGARDCareful with that AXP Eugene!Thu Sep 30 1993 14:5135
    re: High dB's and "I can't believe Healy isn't suffering any hearing
        loss."

    Ya know, I was wondering this too.  But after spending three nights in
    the center of the taper's section, and then one night at the boards on
    the right side, it seems to get MUCH louder as you get away from the
    center of the room.  I went reachin' for my earplugs, and I was in row
    37!  It wasn't even close to that loud the other nights when I was in
    the center of the room behind the board.
    
    Perhaps Healy and the sound_crew have twiddled with their system so
    much that it's now _too_ acurate, and it's wreaking all kinds a phasing
    havoc!  Either that, or maybe Healy's such a genious that he can turn
    down the volume at the soundboard and still make it loud everywhere
    else!  Maybe it's just me ;-)

    Last night I walked back and forth to my deck to check up on it, and
    each time I got toward the center of the room, it got noticeably
    quieter.  Also, Josh mentioned about funky bass resonances on the
    floor ... I have no doubt about this.  Just walking around I could hear
    Phil really clearly in one spot, but he was totally missing in another.
    Jerry was loud here, but not there.  But Micky's bongos were
    EVERYWHERE! ;-)  
    
    This kinda stuff makes taping a pain, since even though the mics might
    be set up perfectly centered/aligned/etc., you'll get a cruddy tape
    just 'cause you happed to set up in an acoustic 'hole.' :-|
    Last night, however, this wasn't the case -- I plugged into a pair of
    nice Neumann's and I got ... BAZONG! -- INCREDIBLE TAPES!  
    Best-Tapes-O-The-Run(tm) ... so far ;-) ... Start warmin' up those
    decks folks!  ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    - jeff
    
23.965ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Thu Sep 30 1993 14:538
>    re: High dB's and "I can't believe Healy isn't suffering any hearing
>        loss."
>
>    Ya know, I was wondering this too.

maybe he wears earplugs?

- rich
23.966!NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Thu Sep 30 1993 14:574
....yes, as we have discussed, Jeff's DAT's are the source of the
BGII analog Tape tree...Jeff, I can hardly wait!

tim
23.967tonight's the night....QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Sep 30 1993 15:2022
>    This kinda stuff makes taping a pain, since even though the mics might
>    be set up perfectly centered/aligned/etc., you'll get a cruddy tape
>    just 'cause you happed to set up in an acoustic 'hole.' :-|

As that tall red-headed DeadHead could tell you well, "Hey the Boston
Garden is known for it's dead spots!"


My wife enjoyed last nights show a lot.  Me?  I was home reading a good
book while the kids slept ;-)  (Had them both down and asleep by 8:08. Yes!!!
Unfortunately the 1 1/2 year old was having a troubled night and woke 
up about 11:15 with his all too often - "I'm not going back to sleep till
you take me to your bed!" routine.  Sigh....)  Tonight's my night.
Just for reference points, after we went together to Friday nights show,
she said something to the effect of that she'd rather go to a bar and
listen to Slipknot!  But she had a real good time last night.  But 
she didn't mentioned Bob had pulled out his acoustic again.
Hmmm, about 3 more hours and I'm out of here to my friends.  Maybe 
even do some brewery stuff before hand (other nights have involved
driving back home to East Podunk before heading in, but tonight
it's just towards Boston.)  Of course, that's assuming we don't get
too involved tasting his homebrews first ;-)
23.968alright, enuf whining already, :) :) :)SOLVIT::BXOFRN::ROYlose your step fall outa graceThu Sep 30 1993 15:3435
    
    	<< Note 23.949 by MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNAN "Beyond description..."
    >>>
    
    	Hi Ken.  Stadiums were Tues, sect 12, row G.  That's about 3-4 rows
    	back from the front of the section.  IMHO, there is not a good
    	stadium seat in the entire BG.  The sound bounces in there
    	something awful, and just becomes a muddy mess.....  That night,
    	we moved up into balcony, around section 72, in front of the
    	rear corner speakers, and it was better, but still echoey......
    
    	Last night, we got sect 67, but the very top row,,, ughh.... 
    	My wife came with me (she only goes to one show per run, very
    	occasional), so I wanted it to be special for her.  That was why
    	I tried to trade up.....  We just moved down in our section,
    	found two seats about 6 rows up from the railing, and it wasn't
    	terrible.  Sound was ok, sort of echoey, but at least you could
    	make out what they were playing....  And, we could actually see
    	more than on Tues.
    
    	Tonite, I'm in sect 81 balcony, opposite from last night, and
    	the assigned row is E, five from the railing.....we'll see.....
    
    	Sorry for the whining (and I hate whiners 8*}}}), I'm just feeling
    	left out.  I only go to a few shows, (this run brings me to a
    	total of 7 or 8 - unsure about one around '86), I had just hoped
    	to have a seat where I could get the full effect of the phenomenal
    	sound system,,,,,  oh well, I will keep trying, and maybe next
    	time will do better.....  I also have a friend that's taping,
    	so will most likely get 1st gen off of dat and/or analog masters.
    
    	Looking forward to tonite, should be a killer show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    	thanks, Glen(n)
      
23.969last night was the best. Dark Star tonight.NOVA::ZASTERAThu Sep 30 1993 16:1717
Last night's show was *by far* the best of the 3 we've been to this series
(F, Su, W).  This is a FACT, not a mere opinion (;-)).

True, we were almost "dead" center (right in front of Jerry actually), floor,
row 24.  The other two nights we were on the floor too, about the same distance
(rows 23 and 31), but were way over to the right side, but I doubt it was
seat placement that made the difference!!

And as for that Sugar Magnolia, there is just one word to describe it:
                 COMPLETELY OVER THE TOP !!!!!!!!!!

We *were* planning on skipping tonight's show, but after last night's awesome
effort, we've, uh, changed our minds.

BTW, they *will* be playing Dark Star tonight.  This is also a FACT.

    Craig
23.970BG Sound quality is an oxymoronMONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Thu Sep 30 1993 16:5715
re:   <<< Note 23.968 by SOLVIT::BXOFRN::ROY "lose your step fall outa grace" >>>

>    	Hi Ken.  Stadiums were Tues, sect 12, row G.  That's about 3-4 rows
>    	back from the front of the section.  IMHO, there is not a good
>    	stadium seat in the entire BG.  The sound bounces in there

	That's why they didn't upgrade you I'd say, because you were 3rd row
	stadiums (which start with E all the way around I think).  If you
	could see the stage, you're not obstructed view-wise (for the most
	part that is), but you'd certainly be obstructed sound-wise.  The
	sound at the BG is terrible to start with...

	Keep trying, someday you'll get great seats!

	Ken
23.971Mr Pedantic poopedCSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingFri Oct 01 1993 12:105
Toor done. Big Fun. Sleep now...


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23.972LANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Fri Oct 01 1993 12:1127
WOW!  Last night was great.  

The positive- great first set.  I heard Jerry telegraphing his opening licks 
to Help on the Way at the start of set one but that never came.  2nd set 
COOKED *after* Wave To the Wind.  Jerry was out there on Estimated, Other One 
and NFA (he had a wicked:) jam going in the Other One).  Wharf Rat was sooo 
laid back; love that tune.  NFA found the big man **rockin'** and boppin'.

My favorite show of the ones I've seen at BG this time around.  Even with the 
repeats!  Surprised of The Stagger Lee repeat with so many other Jerry tunes 
unplayed.  Dough Knees?  Somehow that didn't surprise me.

My negative comment follows so don't read it if you don't want to:
I think those 2 Phil tunes broke the flow of both sets.  Actually 
I only feel that it broke the flow of set one and set 2 started after
Wave to the Wind.  If I could only get over his vocals and just listen to 
the bass playing (which is awesome in Broken Arrow!).  So I'm not a big fan 
of the new Phil tunes - please don't murder me.

bob w/ smile.

 I: Here Comes Sunshine, Spoonful, Candyman, El Paso (*), Broken Arrow
    Stagger Lee, Easy Answers > Don't Ease Me in (~ 50 min)
II: Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, Wave to the Wind > Crazy Fingers > 
    Estimated Prophet > He's Gone > Drumz > Space >Other 1> Wharf Rat >
    Not Fade Away.
 E: Brokedown Palace (106 min)
23.973Disappointed with ThursdayTRETOP::SAMILJANFri Oct 01 1993 12:5226
    Funny how our perceptions differ so much about the shows.  My night
    started out great: we had Stadium seats (SEc. 59, Row J), checked 'em
    out and couldn't see a thing.  Went to Customer Service and they gave 
    us floor seats (Sec. AA, Row 37).  We were ecstatic.  Then the show
    started.
    
    I thought this was the most lackluster performance I've seen by any
    band in a long time.  There was no energy, the set selection felt
    slow and lethargic.  IMO, it sounded like they just wanted to end the
    tour and get on with their other lives.  It wasn't that there was
    anything technically bad with the show, but the boys weren't putting
    out enough for me.  I expected alot more for the last night of the
    tour.
    
    With that said, there are, of course, good moments in any Dead show.
    Highlights for me were Candyman, Estimated Prophet into He's Gone.
    
    Of the three shows I saw, I'd rate them as follows: 1. Sunday,
    2. Wednesday, 3. Thursday.  Next year, I'll get a babysitter for
    every night and hit all six.
    
    BTW, it was real nice to run into so many DECheads last night.  Great
    to meet so many of you finally.
    
    Bud
    
23.974GOOROO::DCLARKwhere the shadows run from themselvesFri Oct 01 1993 13:0117
    re .-1
    
    What Bud Said! I thought they could have mailed in the post-drums
    part of the show. From where I sat during second set (right behind
    the stage) I could see guys starting to pack up stuff during NFA,
    like they just wanted to get out of there. Then, hey! Brokedown
    Palace! What a surprise!
    
    Of course, my perception may have been colored by the Nazi security
    guards we had to deal with during the first set. 
    
    Overall
    
    First set: 	music 7/10	atmosphere	2/10
    Second set: Music 3/10 	atmosphere	7/10
    
    - Dave
23.975Grateful Mea CulpaJARETH::BSEGALFri Oct 01 1993 13:1420
    Wow, perceptions *are* different around here! I'm the guy who earlier
    in this conference whined about the Friday show being "lackluster, 
    low energy," etc. Thursday was anything but that in my opinion.
    
    The second set jam included a drumming sequence (that I actually
    liked; had the crowd roaring during some parts) plus The Other One, Wharf 
    Rat, and Not Fade Away. Lured back by a crowd still singing "Love is real, 
    not fade away" after the Dead had left the stage, they returned for an 
    encore of Brokedown Palace. That was classic, vintage Dead through and 
    through! Garcia got heavy in Space and other passages throughout the set 
    and generally played some pretty good licks all night. So, as far as I am 
    concerned that second set compared quite favorably (all things
    considered) with similar sets I saw "in the old days". The 
    first set was also very solid.
    
    Compared to the Friday show, the Dead totally vindicated themselves
    Thursday in my eyes.
    
    - Bob
                         
23.976NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Oct 01 1993 13:2411
I really enjoyed the show, but my favorite was Wednesday night.  Last
night was a close second, though.  I missed Sunday's show, but caught
all of the others.

Dave - I was behind the stage a couple nights this week at the end
of the show, and it was pretty standard for them to start to pack up
before the end of the second set - or at least cover up the boards.

Nice show - grate end to a grate week...

tim
23.977thank you, for a real good time!MONTOR::FURTHR::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Oct 01 1993 13:3523
	Man, what a difference location makes.   Mindy and I were 
	ecstatic from the 11th row in front of Vince.  Had a helluva 
	time!   I think that was the loudest show I've ever been to,
	easily eclipsing the ear shattering JGB @ EMLowes Worcester in '82.
	Earplugs worked great!!   As far as my opinion that Jerry is
	still getting comfortable with his new guitar, it's all in my head
	for the most part.

	I heard the HSF opening tease.  Figured we'd get it for sure,
	but was psyched for HCSunshine.  I sure love Bobby's acoustic slant
	for some of his tunes - it worked well for El Paso!

	Anyone else hear Jerry call for Dark Star following Estimated ?
	He definitely hinted at it, but didn't get a reply - I says to
	Mindy - this is it!  We're gonna get it!  Dark Star!   But I guess
	the timing wasn't right, and we got He's Gone.    It was funny,
	Mindy assumed we were getting the Dark Star and says 	
	"Happy Anniversary!!!" cause she knew I'd be so psyched. 
	We had a good laugh over it later.  

	BTW, who was the boogying DEChead (V3 shirt) in row 5 BB ?

	Ken
23.978STUDIO::IDEIt don't mean a thing.Fri Oct 01 1993 14:1714
    I didn't think too much of last night's show, though they hit some
    grooves here and there.  The biggest problem was the vocals -- the
    harmonizing on "Here Comes Sunshine" and "Lucy . . . " made me wince in
    pain.  I like "Broken Arrow," but I hate "Wave to the Wind."  I'd like
    to hear them try "Easy Answers" without the backing vocals after each
    verse.
    
    Overall, I loved Wednesday's show and Sunday was my second favorite.  I
    can proudly say that I singlehandedly financed a new fermenter for the
    Commonwealth Brewery.  I'm going to miss my table there tonight.
    
    Right now, I'm home sick and my head feels like it's gonna bus' open.
    
    Jamie
23.979NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Oct 01 1993 15:4164
I suppose I should comment more on last night than I did.

I had the pleasure of spending the entire evening with Tree, meeting
at my house and driving all the way into the Haymarket parking lot.
Arriving at the CBC, we immediately ran into Alicia Salkewicz (a.k.a.
Mrs. Slash) who was hoping to make a connection for a ticket there.
Eventually, she was successful, despite the limitations of never
having met her connection before.  Nice work.

Once we sat down for some dinner, it seemed like every DEChead in
New England passed by and said hi...which was great fun.  Slash,
Danielle, Rich, DC, Ken H., and tons of others stopped by to hang
out until they were chased away for blocking the stairs.  Tree's 
a pretty hard target to miss, even in that crowd.  Speaking for both
of us, it was a lot of fun seeing everyone.  Personally, it's only
been recently that Dead shows have been such major social events for me,
above and beyond the music itself.

Once we got into the Garden we found our seats just as the lights
went down: 11th row floor, near Ken Hannan.  I bumped into MJ in the
aisle, who was 'splaining to a redshirt that she did indeed have a
seat nearby...somewhere.  Having been on the floor on Friday night, 
I remembered to bring my pocket knife and ear plugs, and it was short 
work to clear away several rows of chairs, and have some shuffling 
room, which I did for the rest of the night - shuffle, that is...

I was happy with everything I heard - even the mistakes and misqueues.
It has always been an experiential event for me to attend a Dead show,
one which I had gotten away from as I became closer to the taper
culture of setlists and scorecards.  That's not a criticism of the
tapers - it's just really not who I am.  For some time I had begun to
feel I had lost that connection to the music and the whole reason I 
was there...I've been to shows in the 80's when it almost hurt to hear
Jerry croak through one more song, and yet I still had a good time 
just being there.  Throughout all of that time, I never kept track
of setlists, or even knew the names of the songs that I had listened
to for so long.  For example, I didn't associate the names of the songs
with the tunes like the Wheel, or Birdsong, despite having listened
to them since the early 70's - it just didn't matter.  It was the
experience that really counted, not the score.

But, on Friday night at the beginning of this run, and more than
20 years since my first Dead show, I found something new, for me at
least.  I found a dimension in these shows that had always been there, 
but not for me, and finding it changed everything for me.  It was 
something I had been wanting to work up the nerve to try for
a long time, and finally broke through just in time for this entire
run, hitting five of the six shows.

I danced.

To many, it's always been the most obvious thing in the world to do
at a Dead show, but to me it's new, and it changed my whole perspective
on something that's been a part of me for over half my life.  So,
I don't care what they played, or repeated, or left out, and it's
just fine to me how well they performed, because it was the Grateful
Dead, just like it was at the Philly Spectrum in the spring of 1973,
or the Miami Jai Alai Fronton in June, 1974, or the Boston Garden
in May, 1977.  They were back, and I couldn't be happier to have
seen them again.  There really is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

Thanks everybody, I've never had such a good time!

tim
23.980JARETH::BSEGALFri Oct 01 1993 16:0411
    Tim, although I didn't dance per se, I echo your sentiments in 
    general as well, although I felt that vibe much more Thursday than
    I did Friday because while I don't keep score either, I do have a
    certain level of expectation musically that I like to see realized
    and that didn't happen Friday for me. Anyway, it was all quite
    exhilarating Thursday for many of the same reasons you stated.
    
    I know Mr. and Mrs. Slash too. Should have stopped in CBC myself as
    well. Oh well.
    
    - Bob
23.981they must have been tiredNOVA::ZASTERAFri Oct 01 1993 16:2812
Well, I'm with those who thought last night's show was a bit lackluster.
We had really good seats: first row of the promenade, in the *EXACT* center
(that means we were right behind the taper section, dead center).  Could
even sit down and still see (amazing!).

Nevertheless, I wish I had quit after the Wednesday show which was far and
away the best of the 4 I saw.  Last night's wasn't as bad as the first show
(Friday), but there was little to get excited about.

I'd rank them:  (1) Wed (by far)  (2) Sun  (3) Thurs  (4) Fri

       Craig
23.982MONTOR::MONTOR::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Oct 01 1993 16:5419
> I danced.

;-)  Nothing like getting your body (and mind) into the groove of the dead!
For me, it's like a different movement for each instrument, moving as one 
with the music.  Mostly driven by Jerry and Phil.   I really really can get 
into that, and do so as far as my energy level can take me.  Unfortunately
it doesn't last all night due to the aging process, but i try ;-)  

I'm *seriously* considering using dead tapes to boogie to as a form of aerobic 
exersise on a regular basis.  Combining the dead with exercise definitely
has potential.

i did have a hard time with space to groove in last night on the floor. 
The people in front of us loaded up the rows with their friends via stub 
switching, and it was really crowded.   Moved some seats, but it was hard
to do where we were - what do you do with the metal seats ? THey don't
fold too well.

Ken
23.983Just happy to be thereTRETOP::SAMILJANFri Oct 01 1993 16:5911
    re: .979
    
    Tim, I couldn't agree with you more.  I've been listening to the Dead
    since 1970, and through the lows and highs, there's nothing like being
    there.
    
    This past week, I've just felt so damn happy to alive.   Whether
    they liked specific shows or not, I hope everybody felt as wonderful as
    I did just to be there.
    
    Bud
23.984hey Dan, f*** you too! :-)PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastFri Oct 01 1993 17:0872
Boston Garden, Boston Mass.
Thursday, Sept 30, 1993

 I: Here Comes Sunshine, Spoonful, Candyman, El Paso (*), Broken Arrow
    Stagger Lee, Easy Answers > Don't Ease Me in (~ 50 min)

II: Lucy in the Sky With Diamons, Wave to the Wind > Crazy Fingers >
    Estimated Prophet > He's Gone > Drumz > Space >Other 1> Wharf Rat >
    Not Fade Away.

 E: Brokedown Palace (106 min)

I was feeling a bit better for the show last night, not as feverish, but very 
congested in the lungs.

I sat very close to where I sat on Tues, and was once again rewarded with 
very good sound - lots of Phil and Bob.  

Really off vocals on Here Comes Sunshine!  Spoonful a bit better.  I think
Jerry had the acoustic midi sound for some of Candyman, but I'm to burnt to 
remember :-)  The Bobby Unplugged version of El Paso was very nice.
Broken Arrow didn't do anything for me.  Stagger Lee, a repeat from Friday,
was great, though I thought Friday's version a tad more intensly played.
This is the song that got me "There" ;-)   Easy Answers was a bathroom break
song.  Got back in time for Don't Ease.. another 2 songs repeated.
A short first set.

Expectations were high for something like Shakedown or HSF, but LSD was very
very nice, if a bit ragged again on the vocal harmonies.  Wave to the Wind
put another halt in the flow of the set.  A nice long intro to Crazy Fingers,
nicely played.  Jerry had guitar problems right in the beginning of 
Estimated!  So we were treated to a wah-less beginning, carried solely by
Bob's rhythm guitar, which was kinda neat actually, since I was in a spot
where I could hear him so well.    First half of Estimated was well played.
Jerry finally got his guitar working and layed down the wah-wahs we all know
and love, and then turned on the Jerry Plugged_but_sounding_Unplugged acoustic
midi, for some acoustic sounding solos... very interesting!
Two "slow Jerries" in the second set: He's Gone and Wharf Rat.  Took the band
a while to fade down their "mm-bop  mmm-bop  bop-bop" at the end of NFA
as the crowd was predicatably going nuts with the NFA chant.
Brokedown Palace was severly hampered by the f&)&^*& fire alarm going off
again in the section behind the loges behind the taper section - the noise
of it is surely on the tapes, even though Healy cranked the volume a bit.
It was still going off well after the show ended - I think they left it on
on purpose, to clear us all out quicker.

Sound Level Report:  another loud first set : 110 db again, like Friday and
Tuesday.  Second set a bit less, 100-103 dB, peaking at 116 dB in Space,
getting back up to around 110 for NFA.

Prodded by Mystery, he and I went to ask Healy about the sound mix.  I really 
started off on the wrong tact, though, when I said "You know, some nights I can 
hear Phil and Bob a lot better than other nights..." and I couldn't complete
my sentence to say that I wanted to know if it was because I was sitting
15 feet in a different direction, in a bass "hole".
Well, Healey immediately took me for Asshole Deadhed #583049 asking him to 
turn up so-and-so in the mix, and went off ranting, tearing me a new asshole:

"Yeah, some nights I turn up, some nights I turn it down, every night its
different... I do it to fuck with people's heads... and if you're asking me
to turn up someone, FUCK YOU!" and then he ran away.

Is that about right, Mystery?  I leave out any juicy details? :-)
Ya know, I think you _knew_ what his reaction would be!  You set me up!!! :-)

Well, what can I say?  My Audio God hath smote me.  I think he played
Inna-Godda-Da-Vida real loud during the break, just mess with me some more.
Yeah, I _know_ he did.  I'm sure of it.  This was the only show where I had
to wear earplugs during the set-break music!


Josh
23.985NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Oct 01 1993 17:095
Yeah, it's quite an experience.  This was just so unusual because,
in my almost 39 years, I've never really danced at all, anywhere...
until now.  What fun!

tim
23.986LANDO::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Fri Oct 01 1993 17:1215
Tim says:

	> I danced.

Good one Tim!   I enjoyed reading that.

Ken says:

>what do you do with the metal seats ? THey don't fold too well.

Stack them! 

bob


23.987E::EVANSFri Oct 01 1993 17:436
I'm glad that someone else noticed the In-A-Godda-Da-Vidda.  They played the
entire long version during intermission.

Jim

23.988PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastFri Oct 01 1993 17:4323
ahhh, yes, the fine points of floor space strategy!

Having had some problems with this the night before, last night I chose to be
in the area to the left of the board that had metal seats.  Each row having
about 4 metal seats, then 4 wooden seats closer to the board.
I found that when too many seats get folded, too many people crush in, leaving
me with no space at all.  by keeping a row of metal seats in front of us,
and of course leaving ours in place, we were guarrented of at least that
small amount of space.  At one point, the row in front of us (which was full
of piled up seats) slid forward a few inches (gee, how'd that happen), and
sure anough the security goons placed in our row 2 people, right in front
of the guy to my left.  Leaving him very crowded!  They left at the break.
Also, by having a few friends with you in the row, you can watch each other's
seats when going to the bathroom or whatever.  If you have a great spot, but
are just by yourself, if you leave to hit the bathroom - that it, you've lost
your spot.

This may all sound horribly analytical and cold to a "hey man, just go with the
scene and groove" deadhead, but I need some space.  Especially when I have a
fever and am trying to enjoy the show.

Josh
23.989NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Oct 01 1993 17:514
I was kinda glad to hear ol' Iron Butterfly.  On Friday night, they 
played the entire sound track to Camelot.  Yuck.

tim
23.990IMHOGOOROO::DCLARKwhere the shadows run from themselvesFri Oct 01 1993 17:5212
    We (my friend Jim Fuller and some guy named Dave Clark) also noticed
    the In A Gadda Da Vida during set break. One thing I have to say for
    the sound last night; Jerry's new guitar really sounds SWEET! The
    'MIDI acoustic' sound he had during El Paso and parts of He's Gone
    and Estimated was very pleasant. 
    
    After a lunchtime nap and clearing up some aggravating problems with
    my HMO, I'm in a better frame of mind about the show. I think the
    Dead are in a transitional period, trying to break in a new keyboard
    player, a lot of new material (some of it quite good, some of it
    quite forgattable), new guit for Jerry, etc. Things have yet to 
    gel. 
23.991NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Fri Oct 01 1993 17:537
I found another approach to keeping the creeping seat crawlers away.
I played ice hockey for 10 years when I was a kid.  Hip checks fit 
nicely into an otherwise normal dance routine...;-)

It worked well last night, on more than one occasion....;-)

tim
23.992AKOCOA::SMITH_DSo many roads tease my soulFri Oct 01 1993 18:2549
	Tim, you can't be serious about the dancing thing?

	If so....CONGRATULATIONS MON!!!!!

	When I was around 15/16 (a mere youth experimenting) I went to a lot 
	of shows where they'd have speakers in the halls, and man would I 
	ever dance, real hard!!!!  I've lost it a little over the past 8 years.
	But I still boogie! :-)

	All I can say is thank goodness for the shows!!!!......

	Thank goodness for the shows
	They were fun this time around
	they really made the grape
	and they had that funky sound

	Jerry, Phil, Vince,
	Bobby, Billy, and Mickey
	You know with all that jammin
	Things were sweaty and sticky

	The sound was nice and loud
	despite the gardins structure
	It's lucky with all that rockin
	The balcony didn't rupture	

	Yes the security lady was rude
	but wouldn't it just be fate
	that on this lady's ass
	layed a sticker "no time to hate"  :-)

	It was nice to stop on the corner
	and have a Commonwealth Brew	
	with people just as fine
	as the bunch of you	

	Ya know that I hope 
	that those that couldn't go
	will get blessed with a ticket
	to the next Grateful Dead Show!

	YOW!   :-)

			

	
	
	 
23.993ROCK::FROMMIt's hard to care about a don't care.Fri Oct 01 1993 18:3612
>	Yes the security lady was rude
>	but wouldn't it just be fate
>	that on this lady's ass
>	layed a sticker "no time to hate"  :-)

HA HA HA!

thanks for making me laugh and brightening up what has been an all too dreary
day (not feeling too well after being on the go virtually non-stop between
work, class, and the dead for the past few weeks)

- rich
23.994it was good for me....QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyFri Oct 01 1993 18:5132
Tim, I can sympathize with the "don't dance" routine.  The dead got me 
to swing about a little bit, and at those normal life festivities,
weddings, bah mitzfah's, etc, the only thing that can get me out of
my seat is some cheesy (though no doubt hard-working) band unexpectedly
going into something like Good Loving or Midnight Hour or some such
cover that the Dead do.

Last night was a lot of fun. Starting out accappella (or nearly so) with 
Here Comes Sunshine was really cool.  I don't know about you other
folks, but "Broken Arrow" was fine by me.  I had this weeks GDH with it
in my car and heard it a second time on the way home.  Woke up with it 
in my head this morning, and with no regrets ;-)  I also took a different
tack to "Wave to the Wind" (how's that for terminology, Geoff?)  I wasn't
as interested in the lyrics, as with what Phil was doing on the bass, and
I wasn't disappointed.  
As mentioned before, it's funny how different people see different shows
when they're all in the same place at the same time.  Wednesday seems to 
be the majority's choice for the best night, but the Globe reviewer in
todays paper makes mention of "certainly there were lackluster stretches 
during the six-night run, particularly the Wednesday show." !!!
I think it depends a lot on attitudes and expectations, and just
general, "how you feeling today, Bunky??"  Last night, I was feeling
fine, and the show left me feeling even better.
Glad to make it back home eventually too.  Definitely a struggle
keeping the eyes open.  When I pulled into my driveway, I turned off
the car, closed my eyes, and woke up about 1/2 minute later wondering
where the hell I was!  I could have slept in that position for 
a few hours!  Sigh....  It took me about another half-hour just to 
make it to bed as I kept passing out on the couch (sort of like I 
do during meetings ;-)

PeterT
23.995CSCMA::M_PECKARthat would be somethingFri Oct 01 1993 19:4375
	This was in the editorial section of the Austin American-Stateman
	this morning...
   
   THIS ROCK 'N' ROLLER HASN'T FADED AWAY
   by Linda Ellerbee
   
   I think about how old I am while dressing to go to a Grateful Dead concert
   with my son, The Deadhead.  I wonder what my son thinks about, dressing to
   go to the concert with his mother, The Deadhead.  And so it goes.
   
   But does it really?  Does this beat really go on?
   
   Sure, I still like rock 'n' roll, but a concert is just so loud, too loud,
   perhaps, for me anymore.  Is this his music now, not mine?  I'm tired, and
   if I thought I could get out of going tonight, I might.  A long bath, a
   good book, an early bedtime.  Never happen.  I have promised.  Anyway, I
   don't want to be thought old by son, who is 20, and thinks me old enough.
   
   Now the tribe is gathered.  The audience is my age, my son's age and many
   ages in-between, but I don't feel a part of it.  I see a young woman
   wearing a long, paisley-printed Indian skirt I swear I used to own and who
   knows?  Maybe I did.  Watching her, I am lonesome for me.
   
   Balloons bounce everywhere, settling on people's heads, only to be batted
   back into play, a game of slow-motion volleyball, as if this were a
   sporting event, which maybe it is.  One hits me and I swat it away, annoyed
   at a balloon.
   
   The Grateful Dead are onstage, tuning up, and with no warning they begin to
   play.  I like this band, but they don't move me this night, even though
   Jerry Garcia remembers all the words to the songs for once. (A member of
   the band once said to me:  "Jerry knows most of the words to most of our
   songs.  Luckily our songs don't have many words.")  The guys are together
   tonight.  Josh says their music is "fresh."  It's a word that has different
   meanings for the two of us.
   
   Everyone is standing now and will remain standing for the entire time,
   never mind the perfectly good seats beneath us.  By the end of the third
   song, my feet hurt.  Did they used to?
   
   "No worries," said my daughter, recently.  "Remember, no rock 'n' roller
   has died of old age yet."  Drugs, airplane and car crashes, and the
   occasional bullet to the brain, yes, but not old age.  What this ought to
   do is cheer me up.  It doesn't.
   
   Next to me, a man who looks to be about my age says to a woman who looks to
   be my son's age, "Tell me what your date (also about my son's age) can do
   that I can't."
   
   "Probably nothing," she answers, "but he can do it all night long."
   
   God, this is depressing.
   
   Then, two hours into the concert, I realize something has happened. 
   Somewhere along the way I have stopped listening and started feeling.  I
   feel GOOD.  My head is light.  My heart keeps time.  Bit by bit, note by
   note, beat by beat, the power of this music has located that place inside
   me where nothing else lives, nothing but music, without age.  And I find,
   dancing above my seat, that I still have a tie-dyed soul.  Josh is right. 
   Tonight is "fresh."
   
   I look at my son.  His music.  My music.  Our music.  This music once
   brought a generation together.  Now it brings generations together.  That
   is something.  Sure it's only rock 'n' roll.
   
   But I like it.
   
   Nothing else makes me feel so old.
   
   Or so young.
   
   And so it goes...and goes.
   
-------------------------
23.996old Dead lorePONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastWed Oct 13 1993 16:1837
Snarfed from rec.music.gdead, an interesting tidbit about the Boy's propensity
to be a tad confused at times about what song they're gonna play next.
(Remember the recent BG encore where Bob said, "We're trying to decide what
to do next) :-)

Anyone know what the 5/?/86 Cal Expo saturday show reference is about?
Someone on-stage say something stoopid? :-)

- Josh
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Article: 26786
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Subject: Re: playing songs meaningful to that night
Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 23:00:27 GMT
 
In article <29ekl2$f7g@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> terrapin@cats.ucsc.edu (Beth Dyer) writes:
>
>In article <1993Oct7.214706.20856@ptdcs2.intel.com> kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (Kent Stewart) writes:
>>>
>>>I was at one Sunday show (I believe it was at Alpine Valley) where the 
>>>band came out and Bobby stepped up to the mike and said "We forgot to do 
>>>this last night".  They then opened with One More Saturday Night.
>>
>>I dunno about Alpine (my old Deadbase II sez no, at least up until 1988)
>>but he definitely pulled this stunt on 3-14-82 in Davis, CA (the night
 >>after a Saturday show in Reno). 
 
  They also did this the day after 5/?/86 Cal Expo saturday show. That was 
 the "Speakers are frozen, guitar is broken, mind is blown no encore tonight"
 show. Kinda like playing the encore to open the next days show.
                                         Cheeze,
                                               Jack
 
  
23.997pull your cah in my driveway and dim yer lights down lowBIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadThu Dec 09 1993 13:235
	Who sang KING BEE?


	Yowzah!
23.998oh, 1954 or soPONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastThu Dec 09 1993 13:379
Slim Harpo sang King Bee.  Oh, you mean the Dead, last night! ;-)

funny, I wuz just checking my Slim Harpo King Bee last night for inclusion
as BG tape filler (along wid' all the other blues orginals I was taping).

So, ya want me to play "Hurts Me Too" by Elmore James tonight? :-)

josh
23.999TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonThu Dec 09 1993 16:064
    
    Bobby sang.  Place went nuts.  Who's got tapes???
    
    
23.1000QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedThu Dec 09 1993 16:394
Is King Bee on an album?  I've heard of it, but I couldn't sing the song for
the life of me.

adam
23.1001CSCMA::M_PECKARThat would be somethingThu Dec 09 1993 17:017
I'm a king bee baby
buzzin all around your door.

etc, etc.

Try to remember John Belushi covering it on SNL....
23.1002PONDA::NOKNOK::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastThu Dec 09 1993 18:462
You don't have 4/28/71 ? 
23.1003NECSC::LEVYA song that's born to soar the skyThu Dec 09 1993 19:202
    ...or 4/5/71?
    
23.1004BIODTL::JCNothing like a good dose of the DeadThu Dec 09 1993 20:416
King Bee...

	pigpen used to sing this one...  i dunno why they don't let
	vinny sing some bluez!


23.1005QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedFri Dec 10 1993 15:594
Hmmm, I do have 4/28/71 (I agree, who doesn't? :-)).  I guess I haven't
listened to it enough to memorize the set list. :-)

adam
23.1006or, Slim's is like the Dead's at 78 ;-)PONDA::WEDOIT::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastFri Dec 10 1993 16:236
I dubbed Slim Harpo's King Bee (orginal, he wrote it) last night as filler
for the BG tapes.  Its quite quick-tempo-ed, like the Stone's version
(who did it on their first album in 1964).
The Dead's 1971 version is like Slim Harpo's, played at 16 1/2 RPM!

23.1007BIODTL::JCJust one thing I ask of youFri Jan 14 1994 16:376
>Garcia/Grisman  Warfield Theatre  
>
>_1/12/94_

those shows look like lots of fun - several early 70s stuff the dead used
to do... wonder if that is an omen for some acoustic dead showz?  nah./
23.1008TERAPN::PHYLLISin the shadow of the moonFri Jan 14 1994 17:033
    
    I just wish Grisman would agree to come out east!!
    
23.1009Richfield shows - IMOBINKLY::CEPARSKIShow Me Something Built To LastThu Mar 24 1994 13:5465
    Just wanted to take a few minutes to give a review of the Richfield
    shows I just returned from.(First day back to work - still a little
    shakey ;^). Anyway, I drove to Syracuse Friday afternoon to spend some
    time with my folks and hook-up with my tour buddy Tom. Went to Tom's
    house Sunday morning at 3:30 and we were on the road for OH at 4:00.
    Had a couple of Tom's friends with us - Jon & Ellen. Jon works for
    Holiday Inn in Syracuse so he hooked us up with the hotel -> $15 bucks
    a nite for a double room!!! Got things started off rite. 
    	We hit the lot at 4:00 (Richfield Coliseum keeps the lots closed
    until 4 :^( so we didn't have alot of time to hang out on a beautiful
    Sunday afternoon - about 60 deg. and sunshine. But we managed to get
    some partyin' in and hook Ellen up with a ticket. By the time it got to
    be close to show time we were all feelin' pretty good - even got a
    laugh out of this guy who wandered into camp so loaded he could barely
    stand up. Felt kinda sorry for the guy but he sure was entertaining!
    Headed up to the line at the door and ran into Mike Bourdess and
    chatted for a while on the way in. Showtime ->
    	 I was predicting Shakedown opener and was pretty surprised when
    Cold Rain & Snow popped up(on such a beautiful day). Into All Over Now
    very upbeat opening tonite. Strong versions of both tunz to get the
    place rockin'. Candyman slowed things down a bit but I'll take that
    song any day. Bobby screwed up the lines in Mama Tried -> Big River but
    recovered pretty well. Bobby! He definitely redeemed himself with a
    crushing version of Let It Grow.
    	Set II: Samson & Delilah smoked!(little did we know that these were
    to be the last shows at Richfield Coliseum - they're making a prison
    out of it - Tear This Old Building Down Indeed!!). Long Way To Go kinda
    bummed me out - wish Vinnie would learn some new tunz. Crazy -> Esto
    was sweet - with Bobby goin' all out rock star on us. Good Last Time,
    Black Pete coming outta Spaz. No comment on Throwin' -> NFA. I Fought
    the Law is starting to get old REAL quick. Hurry on back to our hotel
    room for the aftah show festivities %*)
    	Back to the parking lot for day 2. Cold, foggy, wet & rainy, nasty
    day. What a change from the day before! Not much vending scene either
    day and cops in cruisers goin' up and down the rows checkin' people
    out. They were cool as long as you were somewhat discreet. The way it
    should be IMO. Found Ellen a ticket for $22 bucks! about two hours
    before showtime. In we go. 
    	Greatest Story -> Bertha and we're rockin again! Same Thing , and a
    VERY nice Peggy-O. Queen Jane sounded nice and West LA was good to hear
    again even if Jerry had some trouble with the words. Eternity kinda
    brought me down again but Tenn. Jed wrapped things up nicely.
    	Set II just blew me away!!! Picasso Moon started things hopping and
    New Speedway was incredible! Victim was good - haven't seen one of them
    in awhile. At the onset of He's Gone I thought ok another He's Gone but
    it turned out to be a nice version. Bobby took off immediately
    afterward which surprised me but the rest of the boyz stuck around for
    the most inspiring Jam I've ever heard. Touches of Mind Left Body Jam,
    Spanish Jam and Liberty were woven together for this one that lasted a
    good 10-15 minutes. Out of this world!!! Lovelite outta Space threw
    everyone for a loop. Bobby was a madman on this one! Into THE BEST
    STELLA BLUE I'VE EVER HEARD. I can't describe it. Jerry was on! Both
    vocally and instrumentally with the ending drawn out for a long time
    with Jerry singin' "Stella Blue - oooo - oooo. Oooo - oooo" WOW! Back
    into Lovelite to finish things up. What an ending!!! Liberty was kinda
    awkward. Couldn't seem to make it click but I don't think NE1 minded a
    bit. About this time we realized Jon was gone. We grabbed his stuff and
    looked for him but with no luck so we figured he headed for the car.
    Turns out he got thrown out for going down the wrong hallway looking
    for the bathroom!! He missed the whole Second Set :^(
    	All in all the best 2 shows I think I've ever seen and Set II of
    the last night was probably the best Set I've ever heard (definitely
    after Space). I'm gonna miss Richfield - been there every year the boyz
    have and it's always been worth the drive! 
                
23.1010CXDOCS::BARNESThu Mar 24 1994 15:243
    excellent review. makes ME want tapes!
    pretty rough on bathroom seekers there, eh? %^)
    rfb
23.1011TERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldThu Mar 24 1994 16:1732
    
    Jesus!  I go to the bathroom about every 10 minutes - I think I better
    stay away from THAT arena! ;-/
    
    i'm swamped here today so just a few words about last night. 1st off -
    september was definitely a long time ago - i was  caught having a good
    time during little red AND truckin! ;-) jerry seemed relaxed and happy. 
    shakedown opener was big and a nice welcome back to ny!!  1st set was
    short - only 50 minutes - but well played and fairly tight.  row jimmy
    started off a little messy but got better.  i loved the el paso and it
    felt like i hadn't heard a might as well in a while.  2nd set - the
    china cat was the kind i like - it actually built a little and lasted a
    few minutes.  not just the short, intro to rider that it often is.  i
    really like so many roads - i think of all the newer stuff this one is
    classic garcia.  nice space which  they blew by coming out with a
    miracle (blech.)  teases of that  would be something at one point - i
    don't remember when.

    as for the sound - we all thought it was pretty good and a slight
    improvement from the usual first night at an arena messiness. shakedown
    was loud enough almost right from the start and we didn't have any real
    mudiness at any point in the night.

    word has it traffic out there was a nightmare. i think i'll stick with
    my railroad out there and catch a ride back scenario. 

    i got to see mystery for a couple minutes outside and tim grady hung
    out with my friends and i during the show!  and adam stopped by for a
    couple of minutes during break.

    time to grab some lunch and get back to work...talk to you tomorrow.

23.1012CXDOCS::BARNESThu Mar 24 1994 16:268
    
    so where's the setlist in the setlist note?? %^)
    
    Phyllis, I've gotta give ya credit...I can't get up early enough after
    a show to go to work, muchless actually MAKE it to work !!
    
    
    rfb
23.1013My Thoughts Exactly, rfb!BINKLY::CEPARSKIShow Me Something Built To LastThu Mar 24 1994 16:501
      
23.1014TERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldThu Mar 24 1994 17:054
    
    well, i've had practice. ;-)
    
    
23.1015SSGV01::STROBELJeffThu Mar 24 1994 21:205
    Jeff:
    	Fine review. It brought to mind how muh I miss T!ng and her great
    reviews!
    
    jeff
23.101621 years and counting!NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Sun Mar 27 1994 17:2385
This could get a little lengthy, but four days on the road with Mystery
will do that...;-)

Wednesday morning we gathered our resources into my truck (well, beer
mostly), and departed for Long Island.  A gorgeous, warm Spring day, I
spent most of it in only a T-shirt (well, jeans too)...and the drive
through the endless hills and Peterbilts of Connecticut.  Someone ought
to look into why it takes so damn long to drive through such a little
state.  The weather, in fact, remained very pleasant throughout the trip,
with only some windy cold on Thursday evening as the exception.

Arriving mid-afternoon in HEMPstead, N.Y. we located our lodgings and
began to get our bearings on food and showz.  Mystery had a mission
with a taper ticket, so I headed off to hook up with Phyllis and her
friend Karen.  Anyway, not being a floor-rat, it was nice to have 
such pleasant company - not enough space on the floor to breathe, much
less dance!  Security was lax - access to the floor was not difficult,
and the subsequent mob scene there was inevitable.

The Shakedown opener was all it took to work out the kinks in the sound.
I found the quality of the sound and the mix overall were excellent - I
could hear every vocal, every instrument -- very good, considering I'm hardly
the most experienced or gifted listener.  The acoustic El Paso was a
very pleasant surprise - I'm enjoying Bobby's recent interest in the
acoustic rythm guitar, and half expected Looks Like Rain (which came 
the following night, without acoustic).  Mighty Swell was fun - hadn't heard
them do that in a long time, and Promised Land is always a grate dance
toon...in fact, a Promised Land, China/Rider opening the second set and
Good Lovin' closing it made for a very pleasant dance show - this was a great
way to open my three show stay in Nassau...aside from Bobby's forgetting what
verse he was singing halfway through Truckin', I thought this was a very
well performed show, and was sad to see it end.  The best thing to be said
about the encore, U.S. Blues, was that it wasn't Liberty, or I Fought the Log.

Thursday perhaps wasn't as fulfilling a night, but still a lot of fun...
The vending scene was rather subdued, the parking lot being emptied each
night probably put a big dent in that, and there were noticeable numbers
of anti-vending police stirring about...there was also a outdoor GDM
vending booth, something notably different.

Circumstances prevented me from hooking up with Phyllis for more than a
minute, and Mystery was on his mission again, so I spent the evening in one
of my favorite pursuits - roaming.  I found a wonderful location for the
first set, a couple rows off the floor with a fine view, great sound and
pleasant company dancing...Me and My Uncle acoustic!  another very pleasant
surprise, along with Maggies Farm....Loose Lucy and Cassidy (with a nicely
traditional spacey jam) filled out an enjoyable first set.  The second set
showed promise, especially with the Terapin into drums, but fizzled coming
out of Space.  Wheel is a lovely tune, but was uninspired and like many 
of my friends, I too am getting real tired of Throwing Stones/NFA.  The
Liberty encore was typical of the second set: dull.  I was disappointed,
but at least I felt I got half a good show...;-)...and something else happened:

Halfway through the second set, it ocurred to me that it was this time of
year that I had attended my first Dead show - in 1973...so leaving the show
I went about finding someone whom I had seen before the show with a Deadbase...
and confirmed that Thursday was my 21st anniversary Dead show...not bad.  But
that got stranger on Friday, when during the set break I was telling someone
about this random discovery, and a high-school aged kid who was walking by
stopped in his tracks and said, "3/24/73?  I HAVE that show!"...I was astounded,
this being a rather obscure show and one that I had not had much luck in
finding so far...he went on to describe the set list in some detail...well,
he happened to really need a copy of the 9/26/93 BG show (his birthday)...so
we struck a deal to trade.

Friday was another well-performed evening with the boyz.  Arriving on the floor
with Mystery, I found conditions there too oppressive to enjoy, and headed
off to wider spaces - finding my way back to the same area as the previous
evening.  Help/Slip/Frank was great fun, as was Wang Dang Doodle.  Although
I could have done without Picasso Moon, I found the entire show was very
enjoyable - and especially when they were nice enough NOT to close my three
days in Nassau with I Fought the Log, but instead played a lovely Weight!
Setlists for the tour to date had shown basically IFtL, U.S. Blues, and Liberty,
so I was dreading the encore, but was very happily surprised.  Hornsby probably
added more physically by showing up than he did musically, throughout the
show, but it was nice to see him up there again.  I agreed with Mystery when
he said he would have preferred another visit from David Murray instead.

Many thanks to everybody who helped make this a very pleasant trip for me:
Mystery and Mark H., MJ & Co., and Phyllis & Karen.

Where's that summer tour rumor list again? ;-)

tim

23.1017Friday Dead/Saturday WassermanAKOCOA::SMITH_Dsimple twist of fateMon Mar 28 1994 14:3135
	I enjoyed Friday nights show.  It wasn't really my choice of selected 
	tunes, but they were all played very nicely.   Luckily I seem to be
	landing these shows were Bruce Hornsby sits in..... 

	Help->Slip->Frank was a little quiet at first, but after being 
	turned up, it sounded great!  The rest of the set was excellent. 
	Althea and BTW were the highlights for me.  Jerry was really getting 
	into singing Althea with lots of extra emotion on certain lines.
	BTW with Bobby on acoustic was nice, especially the climax toward
	the end of the song.

	Second set starting out with 1/2 Step was premier!!!  Picasso is
	sounding good but I would have rather had a Sampson & Delilah or 
	something.  Lazy Rivah Road is a great song but Jerry has got to 
	remember the poetry!!!  Corrina was happenin, but I was too dazed
	to dance at that point.  Coming out of Space with The Last Time
	was nice.  Attics of my life was the best I've ever heard, it 
	was truely beautiful, then into a similar Round & Round as played
	on Friday night of the Boston Run.  

	The Weight was perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	
	After spending a nice day at the Museum of Natural History and 
	getting my first taste of Manhatten......Saturday nights Wasserman 
	Trio's show at the Beacon was incredible.  I can't remember all the 
	people that were there or all that was played, but it was a 
	culturally enriching viriety of music from multiple artists.  My 
	favorite part was Bobby playing Throwing Stones with Rob, Bruce, and 
	the drummer.  I also enjoyed Jesus.  Lou Reed was hot!!!!

  	Danielle wrote down most of what was going on and perhaps she's have 
	a better idea of who played what.
	
	 
23.1018SUPERB SHOW !!!TECRUS::DEMARSESeek-a-double, use-a-cozza roll to find meMon Mar 28 1994 15:0139
    I didn't bring the sheet with me, but I remember looking at it last
    night and noticing that I couldn't read anything!  :)  Ah, my wonderful
    handwriting.....but from the top of my head:
    
    List of musicians that played:  
        
    Rob Wasserman 
    Bob Weir 
    Lou Reed
    Bruce Hornsby
    Victoria Williams
    David Sanborne (sax)
    Little Jimi Scott
    Chris Whitley
    Nat Hymoth??something (celloist)
    John Wessley Harding???? (this name comes to me but I could be waaay
    	off)
    and a couple of other people
        
    David Johanssen was the announcer throughout the night.  They played a
    bunch of songs with different combinations of 3 or 4 people, and
    ended with everyone jamming out on a Lou Reed song (not sure of the
    name). 
    
    Some of the songs played throughout the night:  
    
    Satisfaction (opener), Victoria and Rob "What a Wonderful World", 
    Bob Weir played "Easy Answers", "Maggie's Farm", "The Torch Song", 
    "Fever??", "Take Me to the River", and "Throwing Stones", Lou Reed played 
    "Dustin' off the Bass" (a Willie Nixon song), some Frank Sinatra song, 
    "Beginning of Great Adventure", "Jesus" (a song from the Velvet 
    Underground days), and etc....
    
    
    This was an AWESOME show!!!!  I am VERY glad that I went to this one!!!
    
    The Beacon Theatre reminded me a lot of the Orpheum in Boston....
    
    :), danielle
23.1019CXDOCS::BARNESMon Mar 28 1994 15:525
    grate reviews ya'll...Tim, in the strangest of places, eh? 
    
    is it me or does there seem to be more than the usual number of 
    repeats this spring tour??
    rfb
23.1020TERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldTue Mar 29 1994 13:5024
    
    >is it me or does there seem to be more than the usual number of
    >repeats this spring tour??
    
    I'm not sure about the whole tour, but we didn't get one repeat in 5
    nassau shows.
    
    I think the run was okay - not great, but we definitely had a good
    time.  Last night's first set smoked, and the 2nd set was hot until
    drums.  Music Never Stopped was raging, and they absolutely nailed the
    Rain 2nd set opener.  Beautiful Brokedown to end it all.  Sunday was
    supposedly very hot - I was off doing the family/holiday thing and
    missed it.  I thought Friday was a pretty boring show.  Awful song
    selection.  I think you can expect that on the nights Hornsby's there,
    though, and we knew he'd be there Friday.  How can you jam with an
    accordian?  It seems to me that now that he doesn't play keys with the
    Dead anymore, when he shows up the show is much less improvisational.
    All in all a good time and I am PSYCHED! for Orlando! :-)  Too bad we
    didn't get the Scarlet -> Fire, though, cause now they'll probably play
    it in Atlanta and I'll miss it altogether.  oh well.. can't catch it
    all! 
    
    time to catch up on some work..
    
23.1021NAC::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Tue Mar 29 1994 14:115
...and I missed my Johnny B. Goode encore! :-(

sigh.

tim
23.1022hmmm..TECRUS::DEMARSENo Ego's Under WaterTue Mar 29 1994 14:1318
    >> I thought Friday was a pretty boring show.  Awful song selection. 
    
    I agree!!!  I'm glad I had the Wasserman show the next day!  :)
    
    >> didn't get the Scarlet -> Fire, though
    
    That really suprised me!  I was waiting for it Friday night, and much
    to my disappointment there was no Scarlet=>Fire.  1/2 Step was great,
    though.  But I was almost positive they were going to play it Sunday or
    Monday night....
    
    Scarlet=>Fire has seemed to me as being a common second set opener.  
    It seems to me that having 9 shows go by without one Scarlet=>FIre is
    odd!  
    
    Are they trying to fade it out?   :(:(:(:(:(:(  I hope not.....:(:(
    
    
23.1023TERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldTue Mar 29 1994 18:069
    
    There was one somewhere - either Chicago or Ohio (well, obviously,
    since it wasn't at Nassau! ;-))  It has been rare lately, though -
    there's only been one this year.
    
    I heard lots of good things about the Wasserman show - I'm glad you had
    a good time!  Tapes should be surfacing soon - I'll let you know when
    they do..
    
23.1024ANGLIN::GEBHARTMet her accidentally in St.Paul, MNTue Mar 29 1994 18:204
    My sister saw/heard a Scarlet>Fire first night in Chicago.
    
    :-)
    Scott
23.1025Until 2morrow nite that is...BINKLY::CEPARSKIShow Me Something Built To LastTue Mar 29 1994 18:371
    Yeah, 3-16-94 Rosemont is the only Scarlet -> Fire in '94 so far.
23.1026QUIVER::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedTue Mar 29 1994 20:199
re; repeats

They almost started China Cat Monday night, but did Rain instead!  (Or maybe
they tinkered with it after Rain, but did Victim or the Crime).

The Box of Rain Monday night was the best rendition by Phil that I've ever
heard!  The vocals have been great so far!  And the sound too!

adam
23.1027I brake for Scarlet>FireSALEM::LEBLANCWed Mar 30 1994 16:226
    Re Scarlet>Fire
    weren't there only 2 Scarlet>Fires played on east coast fall '93 as
    well?
    
    chris_a_little_miffed_we_didn't_get_one_in_Nassau
    
23.1028DEVMKO::BELKNAPStill Dead...Wed Mar 30 1994 16:434
    Can someone post a review of the Saturday Wasserman show?   Who
    performed besides Hornsby, Bob and Bob?
    
    Chris
23.1029TERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldWed Mar 30 1994 16:493
    
    see 85.502
    
23.1030DEVMKO::BELKNAPStill Dead...Wed Mar 30 1994 17:011
    Thankzzzz
23.1031Thank you fer a real good time!SALEM::BENJAMINThu Mar 31 1994 03:1317
     As someone who went to the Sunday and Monday shows not caring what
    they would play, just basically happy to be there....
    
       I had a grate time!!!!!! :-)!!!!  I have no complaints (except for
    maybe the weather...but it did get us a few rain songs!!!!:-))
    
        I also got a nice T-shirt that says DIGITAL DEAD on the back...
    how could I resist....
    
        And for a grand finale to my weekend , I saw the Allman Bros. last
    night in the Orpheum (Boston).....I gotta tell you that this new guitar
    player they got, some guy named Dickie Betts, he's not that bad...;-)
    just alittle better than that Zak Wilde guy they used have.....:-)
    
         Bring on the Summer tour!!!!
    
                :-) daveB
23.10328817::BARNESThu Mar 31 1994 14:435
    saw those DIGITAL DEAD t's in PHX. asked the guy wearing it what it
    meant (figgering out later that it actually meant DAT related). His
    answer was "What ever you want it to mean, man".
    I shoulda bought one too. %^(
    rfb
23.103333593::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldThu Mar 31 1994 15:145
    
    I think it's a merchandising shirt.  (So you can order one probably or
    get one at your next show)
    
    
23.10348817::BARNESThu Mar 31 1994 15:197
    didn't see DIGITAL DEAD at GDM booths, did see last years shirt with
    the BIG blue SYF on it (same one as in the catalog Glennn was bitchin
    about! %^)  )
    
    and bought it...cheaper cause it was 93 shirt
    
    rfb
23.1035CXDOCS::BARNESFri Apr 01 1994 20:344
    so no one knows anyone that went to the Atlanta run that can offer a
    review? anyone seen any Atlanta reviews on the net? 
    
    rfb who loves reading peoples perceptions of shows
23.1036Toasted_Atlanta : appears to be 3/31 show :-)MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRthe evening sky grew darkMon Apr 04 1994 12:3947
    
    
    Attached is a review from Pam.  It's kinda a set list->review,  in
    reading it you can tell where the oat bran and veggies kicked in!
    
From:	TLE::LASSEN       "Oh Atlanta, got to get back to you"  1-APR-1994 12:22:04.16
To:	MKOTS3::ROBERTS_CR
CC:	LASSEN
Subj:	part deux


====	Set I	====

Touch of Gray
King Bee
Friend of the Devil
Desolation Row
Tennessee Jed
	Jumpin'!  Jerry even sang "cracked my spine" w/o err
Easy Answer

====	Set II	====

Eyes of the World
	Wicked intro - very long, very good, goosebump material
[ PLS  NAME THAT TUNE - SOMEONE! THANKS]
"Sure don't know what I'm here for, I'm gonna go away for sure"
Long Way to Go Home
Crazy Fingers
	Oh yes :-)
Drumz->
Spaaaaaaaace->
This will be the Last Time
	Jerry - HOT vocals
	Was that Pigpen on the light panel
Standing on the Moon
	Ooooo baby...
	Jerry was a-wailin' and the crowd was right there with him
	Superb, more goosebumps - yowza!

====	Encore	====

I Fought the Law

seeya,
-pam                                                                

23.1037Atlanta - the other showMKOTS3::ROBERTS_CRthe evening sky grew darkMon Apr 04 1994 16:3661
    
    
    [I wish to point out that I have the permission of the author :-) to post
     her show_thoughts.  Follows is another Atlanta review which has a
     familiar feel to it :-)  ]
    
    From Pam Lassen 
    
Subj:	howdy from the south....

====	Set I	====
Here Comes Sunshine
	Vince - nice bell-like kybrds
	Jerry - solo hot
Feel Like a Stranger
	Hot jam
Jack-a-roe
Same Thing
	Bobby - brief tech diff, unplugged ?
	Vince - did tickle those ivories
Lazy River
	Harmony!!
El Paso
	Bobby - acoustic
New Speedway Boogie
	Gettin' hotter!!
Promised Land
	The crowd was roarin'

====	Set II	====
Scarlet/Fire
	Drums - love that mirroring affect from Bill and Mickey
Playing in the Band
Dark Star
	Kill me - I was in the bathroom, thought I heard a Wharf Rat :-(
	How can this be true :-(
Drumz ->
	Who's that guy behind the stage on that kybrd????
Space ->
	Was that a gregorian chant to start?
	Wicked light panel - universe motif
Miracle
	Light panel - New&old tour shots, young Jerry looking out the bus window
Stella Blue
	A personal favorite, yeah Jerry
Sugar Magnolia!!!!

As a little bonus on the wback to Alpharetta in the rental car, I put on the
radio for the first time.  It was tuned to 89.3 and (could have been, sounded
like) Sam Houston(??)  OLD rendition of Walking Blues.  After that they played
all old (I do mean old, these were on 78 platters) beautiful blues, wish I
could remember all the songs and lyrics, things like...
"Your southern can belongs to me, every bit of it"
"Booze and guns don't mix, now I'm in the Cobb County Prison"
"Gimme that pigmeat baby, pigmeat's what I crave"
"When I die, don't have to bury me, just put me up against the wall and give me
	that pigmeat baby"

seeya,
-pam

23.1038yea, and the G.D. godz hath smote you for your sins! :-)PONDA::64423::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastMon Apr 04 1994 16:5217
re: Pam Lassen 
    
>Dark Star
>	Kill me - I was in the bathroom, thought I heard a Wharf Rat :-(
>	How can this be true :-(

Truly a case of your Dead-song karma getting run over by your bodily function
dogma! 

>all old (I do mean old, these were on 78 platters) beautiful blues, wish I
Twas a CD of of old 1920's/30's blues artists.

>"Gimme that pigmeat baby, pigmeat's what I crave"
I have the CD with this song on it, song title is in fact "Pigmeat's What I
Crave".  I think its someone like Peety Wilson? 

josh
23.1040Orlando Riot !SAHQ::SWITTSWed Apr 06 1994 15:2641
    
    
    Orlando, Fl -
    
    First night got canceled because of an illness in one of the band
    memebers family, or possibly a death in the family.
    
    Second night, great show I heard but, there was a riot outside the
    show.  What I was told by people who were there was that a bunch of
    spring breakers (non - deadhead types) came to the shows for the party
    (always a bad scene when this type thing happens, just go to hang out)
    and my understanding from my friends were that these non-dead heads
    were on a 3-5 day drunk and were being really obnoxious to everyone. 
    Knocking over peoples stuff, hassling deadheads, making fun of
    differences in peoples apperences, and basically hassling the deadhead
    crowd.  I guess at some point this crowd started hassling some
    deadheads out by that lake in front of the place, and fights broke out. 
    They called in the riot police who I am told used tear gas and billy
    clubs to subdue the crowd and to disperse the crowd.  My understanding
    is that they also started doing "sweeps" through the parking lots
    trying to get the Deadheads who were not in the show to leave.  I
    understand that the police/riot plice did not distinguish between 
    spring breaker types and the mellow deadheads and just cleaned house
    regardless.  Not sure what the news actaully said happened....
    I also heard there were some hassles up by the main gate about
    halfway through the show, were the same spring breakers tryed to gain
    entrance without tickets and started some of the riot at that point 
    also.  All in All, the news was not positive for the Dead or its
    followers in Orlando.    This is also a easy place for the Orlando or
    other cities to use against the Dead.   It is also a easy place/way to
    provide that bridge to allow guilt by association to occur.  You are
    into the Dead, therefor you are a roudy SOB that starts riots, we heard
    about you guys !  Its unfort. that a few rotten apples spoil such a 
    nice thing!
    
    Randy
    
    PS. Sure hope the Miami crowd is mellow 'cause you are assured 
    the cops heard about Orlando and are preparing for those rioting
    deadheads to show up so they can show them whos really boss.
    
23.1039OrlandoTERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldWed Apr 06 1994 18:1467
    
    a few words about Orlando.
    
    First off - the Sunday cancellation.  Reason given to us was that Bill
    Kreutzmann's father was gravely ill.  Apparently Billy flew back to
    California and then back to Florida in time for Monday's show.  We were
    staying in the same hotel as the crew so word spread fairly quickly - I
    first heard of the cancellation at about noon on Sunday.  Needless to
    say we were all bummed, but there's worse places to have a cancelled
    show than poolside in Orlando, Florida, with 20 good friends, a few
    thousand acquaintances, and a frozen daiquiri. :-)  Suffice it to say,
    we managed to find ways to fill the evening. :-)  
    
    2nd - the show on Monday.  All in all, pretty mediocre, but we weren't
    expecting much after the cancellation.  Billy's mind must've been other
    places at the very least, and the whole band-energy was probably pretty
    weird.  Loose Lucy was great but other than that the show was fairly
    uninspired.  Once again, there were major technical difficulties - Iko
    was played almost entirely Weir-less.  I know the band likes the new
    monitorless-system, but personally I think there's been a much greater
    frequency of technical problems since they adopted it.  
    
    3rd - the riot.  Obviously most of what I know here is 2nd hand since I
    was inside the show.  When we came out after the show, it was kind of
    strange.  We didn't notice anything immediately other than all of us
    seemed to be coughing.  Sounds kind of stupid but we really didn't make
    a connection right away.  I took a sip of someone's soda and couldn't
    understand why I couldn't really clear my throat.. Michael went and
    bought a beer.. Elinor was digging in her pocket for a piece of gum..
    but nobody said anything right away - I guess we were each just
    thinking we had a scratchy throat or something.  Then finally someone
    said something and we realized there was definitely a residue of
    something in the air, and it was getting worse as we walked away from
    the arena towards the lake, which was the major vending/hangout area. 
    Then we started to listen to conversations going on around us and other
    folks were speaking up and we realized something had happened and that
    the crowd had been gassed.  At that point - we abandoned the idea of
    hanging out any longer - the air was really starting to get awful - not
    to mention we didn't really know what had been sprayed but we knew we
    didn't need to be breathing it in.  Luckily our hotel was directly
    across the street so we just headed back there.  Later we found out
    that had we walked out a different entrance we would've been met by a
    very large display of police force - maybe 50 to 100 cops in helmuts -
    but we didn't see them.  Stories kept pouring in all night and everyone
    has there own version, but the staples seem to be that hundreds stormed
    the arena and were tear and pepper gassed.  I know there were probably
    lots of assholes getting out of hand but I can't believe gas was
    necessary.  Granted I wasn't there so I don't really know, but it's not
    like they were dealing with an armed crowd.  The most disturbing part
    was that the crowd that was gassed were all the folks gathered at the
    lake.  Aside from the troublemakers, this includes all the usual tour
    heads - including lots and lots of children.  If the cops were really
    interested in subduing the gate crashers and trouble makers, than why
    not use the gas up at the arena where the gate crashing happened - why
    do it down at the lake?
    
    All in all, we had a great trip, although the gd content was a little
    low for my tastes.  Still, we had a blast and did lots of fun touristy
    stuff - spent a 12 hour day at the Magic Kingdom, checked out Universal
    (Back to the Future was awesome), Epcot, and had lots of pool time -
    everyone came back sunburned!  
    
    And even got back to find spring finally seems to have broken through
    in NY!  :-)
    
    Phyllis
    
23.1041CXDOCS::BARNESMon Apr 11 1994 15:094
    no miami reviews??????
    
    
    rfb
23.1042CXDOCS::BARNESMon Apr 11 1994 15:146
    just went back and re-read all the Orlando stuff...the shock of the
    riot etc has now worn off and I now realize what a GRATE time PHYLLIS
    must have had!!!!  %^)
    
    r
    fb
23.1043TERAPN::PHYLLISyou are the eyes of the worldMon Apr 11 1994 16:056
    
    yes, she did have fun! :-)  Although tour wise, I think these shows in
    general were pretty poor.  I saw 5 and only 1 was really hot (Monday,
    Nassau.)
    
    
23.1044?????JUPITR::OCONNORSTue Jul 05 1994 16:174
    
     Does anyone know who sang on the Beatles tune, "I Want to Tell You"?
    
    Sean
23.1045I feel hung up and I don't know whyMAGEE::OSTIGUYTue Jul 05 1994 16:374
    Sean, do you mean the Beatles version ??   that was George Harrisong
    on lead vocal...fwiw he also perofrmed it on his tour of Japan from 
    '91 ??  that was recorded for his double-live cd, with Eric Clapton's
    band
23.1046wow, whats going on here?PONDA::NOKNOK::BELKINwhen they come to take you downTue Jul 05 1994 16:385
No encores, two nights in a row?  How often does _this_ happen?  Speculation
as to why no encores?

Josh
23.1047No Time???BINKLY::CEPARSKIShow Me Something Built To LastTue Jul 05 1994 16:598
    Speculations on the net as to why no encores are that Shoreline has to
    stop shows at 11pm - so they just ran outta time. The 7/3 show started
    earlier (5pm) so they had time for an encore. Longer 1st and 2nd sets
    for 7/1 & 7/2 though. I'd almost rather have 6 or 7 songs b4 drumz than
    "I Fought The Law" as an encore. Encores have been pretty lame the last
    couple years for the most part IMHO. 
    
    								-jeff
23.1048Speculizing SALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Tue Jul 05 1994 17:3413
    
    Speculation Re: No Encores
    
    
    -Because the sets were so f*%^@n' great that we don't need
     no stinking encore!!!
    
    (those "no encore" shows have *nice* setlists...after those tunes,
     who needs to hear "I fought the damn Law"????)
    
    
    :-) :-) :-)
    
23.1049AKOCOA::DMITCHELLweir guilty of the same ole thingTue Jul 05 1994 17:423
    
    -1 setlist;   yea, i'd take that Music->sugaree->Music anytime..
                          
23.1050no encoresPEAKS::LAWLORcan't go back ... can't stand stillTue Jul 05 1994 19:565
    About the no encores thing... someone on the usenet paraphrased
    McNally as saying friday Bobby and the drummers were fighting and
    saturday Jerry figured no encore was necessary and left. TIFWIW !
    
    TL
23.1051short RFK reviewJUPITR::OCONNORSTue Jul 19 1994 19:0015
    
     I just got back from RFK last night....
    
     Two great shows!!!......Saturday, tix were hard to find, Sunday
    people couldn't get face for them. I only saw Traffic play a couple
    songs.....Dear Mr. Fantasy Cranked!!, I think I might go see them at
    Great Woods. 
    
     Highlights for me Saturday.....great Estimated->Crazy Fingers
     Highlights Sunday...Eyes->Sampson,  pouring rain almost the entire
    show, but we were loving it!   the harder the boyz played, the more
    it came down.
    
    Sean
     
23.1052more RFK reviewPOWDML::PENTLICKIWed Jul 20 1994 21:0317
    yeah man, Traffic was real good.  I was suprised by the 
    groove and length of their jams.  I was lucky to get in early
    and see 'em on Saturday and was impressed enough to cut the
    tailgaiting short on Sunday and see their entire set.  Winwood's
    a pretty good gutairist for someone known for their keyboarding.
    Lots of Traffic tunes and very few newer Winwood tunes.  Mr. Fantasy,
    40,000 headsman(?), light up or leave me alone, low spark, and
    more.
    
    I was a little dissapointed with Sunday's show repeating SOTM and 
    Long Way after playing both at Highgate.  Otherwise, the Eyes>Samson
    was great.  Saturday's show was the best of the three I saw.  Loose
    lucy was fun, and estimated>crazy fingers was my mini-tour highlight.
    
    now depression sets in
    
    Steve
23.1053ROADKL::INGALLSmay the four winds blow you home againWed Jul 20 1994 21:084
Hey Steve - don't be bummed, your tapes are almost done ;^)

Glennnn
23.1054POWDML::PENTLICKIWed Jul 20 1994 21:194
    YUM, YUM  :^) I gots the 5/13/77 for ya, soon to be 
    Colorado-bound
    
    Steve
23.1055STUDIO::IDEMy mind's lost in a household fog.Thu Jul 21 1994 12:196
    re 5-13-77
    
    How good is your copy and do you have the complete second set??  That
    show has my favorite Scarlet>Fire on it.
    
    Jamie
23.1056At least it's not I Fought The LawTECRUS::DEMARSEEnjoy beingThu Jul 21 1994 14:235
    US Blues.  Useless Blues.  This is too common of an encore lately...
    
    8^P
    
    
23.1057CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jul 21 1994 14:252
    ya but the screens are cool for US Blues! or they were in PHX anywaz...
    rfb
23.1058AKOCOA::SMITH_Da hopeful candle lingersThu Jul 21 1994 14:273
    
    U.S. Blues....a good ol rock'n classic if you ask me. :-)
    
23.1059TECRUS::DEMARSEEnjoy beingThu Jul 21 1994 14:296
    Yeah, they were cool in Highgate too....I'm just sick of hearing the
    song...  (bitch bitch bitch...;')  :-)
    
    In Highgate, I really liked the screens during Corrina, when they had a
    woman flailing and dancing around in the background...;')  They keep
    getting better and better...
23.1060The "incident" hits the big screen...QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Jul 21 1994 14:4213
>    In Highgate, I really liked the screens during Corrina, when they had a
>    woman flailing and dancing around in the background...;')  They keep
>    getting better and better...


We've been led to understand that this was actually a digitized and "toned down"
video of the woman dancing at the bon-fire at Lake Carmi.


;-)


PeterT
23.1061Lake Carmi (contains adult material)POWDML::PENTLICKIThu Jul 21 1994 14:471
    HAAAAAAAAA!!!  Hilarious!
23.1062CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jul 21 1994 14:545
    double HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    when's my copy of the video to arrive???           %^)
    
    rfb
23.1063AKOCOA::SMITH_Da hopeful candle lingersThu Jul 21 1994 15:222
    
    :-)
23.1064BIODTL::JCpositive vibrationThu Jul 21 1994 21:423
corrina was defniitely one of my HIGH lights at HIGHgate.
the images, music, my mind... everything was just right!

23.1065new tunes,bad soundWCCLUB::TERRITOFri Aug 05 1994 13:217
    I saw the Giant Stadium show august 3. It was a major dissapointment
    I havent seen them in over a year,and except for Lazy River Road all
    the new stuff sounds pretty weak,and they played a lot of it.The sound
    was also horrendous where i was sitting.Hope the tunes shape up by the
    time an album comes out.when traffic was on the sound was real muddy,
    when the Dead came on it was a little better,but it was one of the wors
    t,i ever seen even for a stadium
23.1066TOOK::PECKARsleep tightFri Aug 05 1994 13:563
Yeah, I've noticed there have been about 5 new songs per show of late. 
Thats an unusually high proportion. Guess the boys like 'em.  :-/
23.1067CXDOCS::BARNESFri Aug 05 1994 16:284
    tom lawlor is at the Giants shows....it will be interesting to hear his
    accounts when he comes back to COlo.
    
    rfb
23.1068GRANPA::TDAVISFri Aug 05 1994 16:364
    My Son made the trip to Giants Stadium, from Baltimore, and thought
    it was a good show(the last night), it did not end until 1:30am,
    I was mature and went to work despite his pleas to skip work and go,
    I could have even got a ticket.
23.1069NEbody Seen Jerry?!?!?BINKLY::CEPARSKISummer Flies And August DiesMon Aug 08 1994 12:4735
    Just a quickie on my thoughts of the Giant's shows. I was a little
    apprehensive about heading to Giant's (my 1st time there) after hearing
    all the horror stories about security in the parking lot but figured
    we'd be in for some good shows to end out the tour - so what the hell
    I'll go for it. Boy was I wrong in both counts. We stayed at a Day's
    Inn about 1 1/2 miles from the stadium and decided to walk to and from
    the show both nights to avoid traffic hassles and problems from driving
    after over-indulging in the lot. Not a bad walk - about 25 minutes or
    so. We had a few friends driving each night so we loaded up beers in
    their coolers and met 'em in the lot.
    	The lot was a pretty decent scene. Security made its presence known
    but was really laid back unless you were doing something stupid. The
    hiss of nitrous tanks was EVERYWHERE! Unbelieveable. Beers and other
    fun stuffs were no problem in the lot and had no hassles getting things
    into the show - except of course for empty water jugs ;^) wouldn't want
    people to have those.
    	We made it in for the last 2 songs from Traffic each night - Jerry
    was on stage helping out by then both nights. They sounded really good
    from our vantage point - directly back from the stage 2nd level. There
    was about a 45-55 minute break between Traffic and the Dead both nights
    that was just uncalled for. The boyz weren't on before 9:00-9:15. From
    Miss. 1/2 Step the 1st night I knew we were in trouble! Jer was pretty
    much clueless from that point on. There were some really nice points in
    both shows but there were some really bad spots too. It just didn't
    seem to click either night. Highlights from 8/3 for me were
    ->Rooster,Bird Song,Foolish,Other One,& Attics. 
    	Night 2 started out in good fashion, Box->Jack Straw threw me for a
    loop. I said right then "ok, we can go back to the hotel now" - I guess
    we probably should have. Other highlights were Deal&China->Rider. Set
    break on 8/4 was 55 minutes!
    	I don't know maybe it was the heat, maybe it was the late
    shows(didn't get out either night until after 1:15!)but it definitely
    wasn't happening in Giant's. Here's hoping they get it together for
    Fall Tour - I'm off to MO. :^) 
                                               
23.1070Phil & PhriendsBINKLY::CEPARSKISummer Flies And August DiesTue Sep 27 1994 11:2016
    Setlist for an ACOUSTIC set performed in CA (forget where) under the
    billing Phil & Friends (Phil,Bobby,Jerry,Vince) 9/24/94
    
     Walkin' Blues
     Lazy River Road
     KC Moan
     Dupree's Diamond Blues
     River Runs Deep
     Masterpiece
     Attics of My Life
     Cassidy
     Bird Song
     Throwin' Stones
    
    Reports say that minus a few lyric fumbles it was as good as or better
    than it looks.
23.1071cloudy dreams unreal :)MAGEE::OSTIGUYTue Sep 27 1994 11:283
    Wow...where's the tape for This show ?!  I'd love to get a copy of that
    
    WO
23.1072Mickey Hart goes to boot camp?SALEM::LEBLANCONE in 10,000 that come fer the SHOWWed Sep 28 1994 11:171
    Who was that Marine playing drums last night?
23.1073Shaved his head!NECSC::LEVYA song that's born to soar the skyWed Sep 28 1994 11:324
The Globe says that he shaved his head in solidarity with his mom who is
undergoing chemotherapy treatments.

	dave
23.1074Thought it mite-a been a monk thing....SALEM::LEBLANCONE in 10,000 that come fer the SHOWWed Sep 28 1994 11:381
    well let's send some good vibes to Mickey's mum....
23.1075SSGV01::TPNSTN::Strobelread The Daily FaberianWed Sep 28 1994 12:488
good vibes to Mickey's mom. When I first spotted him (tough seeing through 
Deane 4 rows in front of me :-)))) ) I thought, "wow. It's Billy Joe from 
Green Day." 

Nice to meet so many noters and to see others I hadn't caught up with in a 
long while.

jeff
23.1076I'll be there tonight!QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyWed Sep 28 1994 12:589
Don't know about Mickey's mom, but it would not have been the first time
Mickey's had his head cropped.  I've seen this before, though I don't
remember exactly when.  Good vibes to his mom anyway.

But, how was the show?  Looks like a decent setlist, and the 20 sec block
they showed of TLEO sounded ok.

PeterT

23.1077Dancing with the GardenNAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Wed Sep 28 1994 13:3823
    I don't think I've ever danced with a 70 year old building
    before...I've only begun dancing in the past year, and hadn't had any
    seats near the front of the balcony before, so I hadn't experienced
    "the vibe" that the Garden develops...quite an experience...riding
    through China->Rider and Women 'R' Smarter, I found on a couple
    occasions that I would stop dancing to catch my breath, and the rythm
    of the buildling itself - a vertical earthquake with a beat, would
    start me up again.  I mean, I'm bouncing up and down anyway, if I just
    swing my arms, I'm dancing! 
    
    I watched the lights shine down on the crowd in front of the
    soundboard, and though they were stationary at the time, the sway of
    the building moved the lights from side to side across the crowd by a
    distance of a full row of people with each beat - several feet!
    
    And I kept looking at Jerry, listening to him play and to his voice,
    and thinking, "he really looks good.  It's like he's in better shape,
    almost like David Crosby.  What am I saying?" ;-)
    
    Fun show, great encore, wonderful time - but of course it was...;-)
    
    tim
    
23.10781 DownBINKLY::CEPARSKISummer Flies And August DiesWed Sep 28 1994 13:5729
    The boyz are back! At least that was my take on last night's show.
    Everyone seemed to be in good spirits last night and the groove
    definitely happened. Very minor screw-ups (most noteable in So Many
    Rds.) except for some equipment trouble Jerry seemed to be having most
    o fthe night. I was in Loge Sect. 16 - couldn't see Phil or Bobby due
    to the speaker stack in front of me but probably could spit on Vince or
    Jerry if I tried ;^). Stranger smoked - TLEO was nice, haven't heard
    that one in a while, Minglewood was as good as it gets, So Many Rds.
    suffered the most lyrical screwups of the night but finished
    strong.Maggie's->Cumberland was HOT!EZ Answers was good for relaxing
    and Deal sent us to the lobby dancing.
    
    China->Rider was long and hot and Vince kept looking over our way and
    waving as they got ready for Long Way, I always roll my eyes when that
    song starts but find myself really getting into it by the time its
    done. Corrina was loud and obnoxious just the way I like it! Flawless
    UJB led into D/S which seemed to take awile and looking at the clock I
    figgered 2 songs afterward. Watchtower was cool and SOTM was HOT! I
    agree - best one I think I've ever heard. Johnny B. Goode is an
    excellent encore - take one like last night's NEtime.
    
    On a side note - this woman about 10 rows down from me had about 10
    seats blocked off with a little stand, light and book and was signing
    the songs to 3-4 deaf people in the row above her. What a trip!!! She
    was SO good! trying to put the emotion into the songs and dancing the
    whole time - the people she was signing for were outta their seats the
    whole night as well. NEtime I got a little bored or tired I just
    watched her and smiled ear to ear. If ya get a chance to check her out
    any time do so. 
23.1079balc. 101 row n is 90 feet higher than the Brewery basementPONDA::64423::BELKINgathered from coincidenceWed Sep 28 1994 14:3810
Well, the high point of the show for me was Maggies -> Cumberland.
Kinda too far away up in upper balcony to get really involved in the show.
Not much bass detail way up there.   

Bob seems real into this sludgehammer sound for his guitar - actually, I don't 
care for it much.  That sound just turns his usually beautiful chordings into 
mush.  I mean its like painting the Mona Lisa with a paint roller.
I liked how he sounded last year much better.

Josh
23.1080NETCAD::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedWed Sep 28 1994 16:2120
re:    <<< Note 23.1079 by PONDA::64423::BELKIN "gathered from coincidence" >>>

>Bob seems real into this sludgehammer sound for his guitar - actually, I don't 
>care for it much.  That sound just turns his usually beautiful chordings into 
>mush.  I mean its like painting the Mona Lisa with a paint roller.

That sounded like shit!  Real shit!  I was next to the soundboard and everyone
around me (including myself) was plugging our ears in pain!  Sounded like a
trumpet and a screeching train!  Terrible!  I don't mind a little distortion,
he's had it for years, but this was too much.  I'll definitely be bringing my
earplugs on Saturday when I'm in the 18th row.

Bass sounded really great on the floor, but I could hear reflections off the
back wall that made me think it probably didn't sound too good in other spots
in the arena.

I loved Maggies Farm>Cumberland.  Seamless transition, and Cumberland was
pretty warped (the way I like it :-))

adam
23.1081more thoughts on last night...COMIT::DWESTbut i play one on tv...Wed Sep 28 1994 16:2811
    
    i agree that the highlight was the maggie's->cumberland...  it was too
    cool for words...  the china rider was indeed hot also and the boys
    were definitely on!  i really liked the UJB too...  not as raucus
    as usual...  started on really slow and pretty...  had a much more
    mellow and sweet feel to it...
    
    imho, they're playing better than this summer...  highgate was fun but
    musically it wasn't as good as last night...  
    
    					da ve
23.1082random thoughtsSSGV01::TPNSTN::Strobelread The Daily FaberianWed Sep 28 1994 16:279
I agree on Josh's comments on Bobby's sludgehammer sound, it's not my cup 
of tea. Vince looks like he's trimmed down as Jerry has. Really like the 
Maggie's>Cumberland.

PeterT, for those of us attending tonight... DOWN IN FRONT!!!!

just kidding. Enjoy yourself and dance til you drop

jeff
23.1083ROCK::FROMMThis space intentionally left blank.Wed Sep 28 1994 16:336
>    <<< Note 23.1079 by PONDA::64423::BELKIN "gathered from coincidence" >>>
>        -< balc. 101 row n is 90 feet higher than the Brewery basement >-

what, do you carry an altimeter with you too?

- rich
23.1084NETCAD::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedWed Sep 28 1994 16:3813
re:   <<< Note 23.1083 by ROCK::FROMM "This space intentionally left blank." >>>

>>    <<< Note 23.1079 by PONDA::64423::BELKIN "gathered from coincidence" >>>
>>        -< balc. 101 row n is 90 feet higher than the Brewery basement >-
>
>what, do you carry an altimeter with you too?

I don't doubt it :-).  Actually, I want to know how many decibels Bobby's
"train wreck sound" was.

How was Slipknot?  We didn't make it.  Probably tonight, though.

adam
23.1085yeah - how WAS slipknot?PONDA::64423::BELKINgathered from coincidenceWed Sep 28 1994 17:1520
>>        -< balc. 101 row n is 90 feet higher than the Brewery basement >-
>what, do you carry an altimeter with you too?

Why, yes, I do ! :-)    I carry a bike computer/clock that has a built in
altimiter.  (Avocet 90)  That way I know how high I am.  :-)

>Actually, I want to know how many decibels Bobby's

oh yeah, forgot, the db report:

First set around 100 dB.   This was way up in back, so I'm sure it would be
a few dB louder down the floor.  This is louder than last year, which had
first sets clocking in at around 95-100 db right at the soundboard.

Second set peaked in Drums at over 120!  think I saw a few peaks at 123.
This was when Mickey was wailing on his drums and Beam, making the really low 
pitched noises.  That sound just drove my eardrums into bottoming out 
(excursion limit) even with ear plugs in.  scary hearing my own ears clipping!

Josh
23.1086AKOCOA::SMITH_DOn this harvest moonWed Sep 28 1994 17:518
    
 >>altimiter.  (Avocet 90)  That way I know how high I am.  :-)
	
    Ahhhhh!  I know some people that would pay good money for something 
    that does that!!!!
    
    Josh, thanks for the technical details!!!   I didn't have plugs, but I 
    wasn't too proud to occasionally hold my ears on those 123'ers.
23.1087NAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Wed Sep 28 1994 18:0718
>That way I know how high I am.  :-)

Well, gee, you could have just asked me - I would have told you. ;-)

Slipknot was, unfortunately for the band, pretty quiet - but a bunch of
us continued dancing our *sses off till closing.  Crummy weather and a
Tuesday night probably kept things quiet, but I'd expect bigger crowds
tonight and tomorrow.  The Bean Pot's a nice place - never been there
before, but it's very, very comfortable.  I liked it a lot.  We had a
really fine time there, after the show - well worth the it.

And, boy is my &ss sore today! ;-)  Six solid hours of dancing, and
my body is mush.  R&R tonight, and back at it tomorrow night.

tim

P.S. Geoff - I still have your pen - sorry I scoffed it accidentally;
I'll try to get it back to you tomorrow...
23.1089Crowd quiet... Show was very goodSALES::GKELLERAccess for allWed Sep 28 1994 18:366
That's ok Tim, I thought you might accidentally do that so I gave you my 
back-up pen knot my knot-mail pen:-)

See you tomorrow...

Geoff
23.1090virginRICKS::CALCAGNIThere's no money to be made above the 5th fretThu Sep 29 1994 14:5848
    My buddy Dave Clark suggested that people might be interested in some
    comments from a first timer.  Yes, at the age of 40(!) last night was
    my first Dead show!  Don't ask how I've managed to miss them all these
    years (there were several near misses).
    
    For me, it was a good blend of new and familiar.  I probably knew half
    of the tunes, so there was enough new territory to keep me interested
    and enough familiarity to satisfy.  "Good Times" into "Bertha" seemed
    a great way to start.  I kinda wished Jerry had cranked a little more
    on his solo, the way he does on the Skull and Roses record, but overall
    it was still excellent.  In general, Jerry's tone seemed a lot meatier
    than I've heard on recent recordings (like Without a Net).  He had more
    of that vintage fudge-tone happening last night; a surprise.
    
    We were sitting stadium, right under the edge of the overhang.  During
    Bertha, we could see the balcony above us visibly rocking to the music;
    the hanging TV monitors were swinging back and forth like pendelums.
    It was amazing, and a little scary.
    
    The highlight of the first set for me was "Eternity".  I didn't know
    this tune, but it was an intense jam.  I was mesmerized.  The friend
    I was with (a real Deadhead, going back to the 60's) said it was the
    best Eternity he'd ever seen, out of 7 or 8 tries.
    
    Second set, "Victim or the Crime"; I love this tune.  On this (and a
    couple of others) Bob Weir really delivered on vocals.  It reached
    an incredible climax.  "Foolish Heart" sounded gorgeous.  The lead-in
    to drums, with just Jerry and Vince was very funky; Jerry was banging
    away some incredible thick rhythm riffs over a strong groove by the
    drummers.  I hear I missed an excellent "symphonic bass" intro to drums
    from Phil the night before; wish I'd seen it.
    
    Back into "Wheel"; this is one of my favorite Dead tunes (I guess it's
    technically a Jerry tune).  The whole ending sequence was terrific.  I
    was kinda surprised (and pleased) to hear Lovelight.  I guess my
    reference point on the Dead is more the older stuff (Live Dead, etc.)
    and last night's show seemed to have a surprisingly lot of that vibe.
    The encore "Baby Blue" was a nice, mellow ending to the night.
    
    Overall, I had a GREAT time last night.  Big arena concerts don't
    generally thrill me the way they used to when I was younger, but last
    night was probably to best vibe I've ever felt at a concert.  Everyone
    was dancing (me too!), it was just such an "up" experience.
    
    I'll be going again Monday, sitting with the tapers this time.  Can't
    wait!
    
    /rick
23.1091Oct. 01 reviewWESERV::ROBERTSclimb a ladder to the starsMon Oct 03 1994 13:2128
Ohmigod....saturday nte was the best (for me) that i've EVER seen.  and by the 
way, at the Brewery BEFORE the show (which is key) i called Help-slip-frank; 
walkin'; Scarlet/fire; Terrapin (yikes...that nearly toasted me); and 
stella.   ask me anything.  :-)  That opener screamed and cranked for me 
man - maybe it was just that my timing was better prior to the show 
I don't know - it worked, yes indeed so right from the opener .. I was OUT
    there.

I really really really RILLY loved Jerry on 'So many roads' .. when he threw his
head back and did those last lines (which somehow excape me this morning!) over 
and over again .. man that was hot.  It was like he was saying 'hey, I said HEY
.. I'm SINGIN' over here ... bleed with me' .   wow. 

great seats too - we were worried that they might be obstructed but all we 
couldn't see were Jerry's lower legs...so there you go. section 16 row 9Loge.  
thank you Pam for the seats!  

part way into the first set, some guy took the usual run off the balcony right
above our heads and landed just maybe 4 rows from the partition that 
separates the floor from the loge. landed right on some guy who spent much of 
his time during the break pointing to the balcony with his mouth open.  the 
jumper walked away (under security's watchful eye) and I don't know anymore 
about how he is.  

inspiration .. move me brightly .. 
       
carol
23.1092My 15 minutes of famePOWDML::CUTLERMon Oct 03 1994 14:2052
    RE: 10-01-94  10-02-94
    
    Saturday was for me the hottest night of the run so far. 
    
    First off, it was great to see so many folks at the Commonwelth. Fredda
    its been too long. Carol, I can't believe the amazying coincidences,
    you and I have experienced. Great to catch up with Geoff & Robyn and DC
    as well.
    
    Now the show:
    The song selections were excellent. The Help->Slip->Frank I have been
    hoping for finally came and what a scorcher it was!. Scarlet -> Fire
    with a nice jam in between was great. Other hightlights included Althea
    and terrapin.
    
    10-02-94.
    
    Last night I was on the floor. What really made this show for me was
    what happened BEFORE the show. I went up to the sound board and handed
    the security card my business card and had him give it to my alter-ego.
    Once John got my card, he looked at it and motioned me into the sound
    board area where we talked for about 10 minutes from about 7:25 to 7:35
    (give or take a minute or two) While we both have the same name, we
    figured out we are probably not related (his grand-parents came from
    Russia). We are within a year of each other in age, and have similar
    eduactional backgrounds (read engineering). Intterestingly enough, he
    pointed out to me that he uses a piece of DEC equipment but being a
    corporate finance type, the make and model numbers of our equipment
    means little to me.
    
    He then asked me what I thought of the sound. Since I have had both
    great and lousy seats during this run its a little hard to be objective
    in my evaluation. From our discussion, I came away with the impression
    that he is trying to ake it sound 'good' everywhere (or as much of the
    garden as possible) and not great in some locations at the expense of
    weaker in other locals.
    
    We traded business cards and I have to say that his is a lot more
    colorful than mine. He invited me to come by the studio for a tour the
    next time in San Francisco. You can be certain that I will take him up
    on this offer. :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
    So much for my 15 minutes of fame...
    
    Enjoyed Sunday's show but really didn't feel the boyz got it together
    in the second set. First set was pretty hot especialy the first few
    songs.
    
    Looking forward to tonights show
    
    Jack
     
23.1093Slightly long.....DKAS::GALLUPFEAR: False Expectations Appearing RealMon Oct 03 1994 14:2154
    A Day in the Life of a Grateful Dead Virgin
    -------------------------------------------
    
    So, it was all totally new to me as I bopped out of the parking garage
    Sunday night into a barrage of people.  People, like, I tell you, I've
    never seen before.  The air was filled with the vibrant anticipation
    that seemed to ebb and surge with the milling crowd.  I couldn't help 
    thinking of my brother and how incredibly jealous he would be of my
    experience to come -- and how well he would fit into this crowd with
    his devil-may-care dreadlocks and down-to-earth personality.
    
    Despite the annoyance of my seasonal cold, I met my illustrious host
    outside the Commonwealth Brewery, and we headed downstairs for a tasty
    brew.  The friendly atmosphere from outside had  permeated throughout
    the room downstairs where I was introduced to a few of you.  (Hi!  I'll 
    never remember everyone's name, but I was the blonde!)  Soon after, we 
    jetted off to find what we expected were to be pretty lousy seats.
    
    Needless to say...they were lousy.  But never fear, off to Customer
    Service we go...where we snagged a couple of tickets to the side of the
    stage, 6 rows up, where my wonderful host gave me the better of the two
    seats (thank you!), so I could see all but the keyboardist around the 
    towering speaker stack.
    
    I really had absolutely no idea what to expect, but the anticipation
    in the stadium could be cut with a knife.  My questions where answered
    as the band sauntered onto the stage and serenaded me with the first
    set; weaving funky country-ish tunes with deep, sensual ballads.  After
    the first set I would have said, "They're great."  Little was I to know
    what was in store for the second set.....
    
    Knocked my socks off.  This is the part where I get speechless and
    disjointed.  Maybe it was partly due to drifting clouds of mind-numbing 
    smoke surrounding us, but I'm more apt to believe I was in love.  In
    love with what I was hearing, and feeling, and experiencing.  Phenominal 
    set, that's all I say.  I loved every minute of it, the time just flew 
    by as if I were in a trance, gyrating to the beat.
    
    I was totally sated when the drums began...   The drums where...uhm...
    uh....let's just say it was a completely sensual experience.  I love 
    that deep, hard, driving bass sound, and I was LOVING this drum thing.  
    (This part of the story probably belongs in alt.sex or something).
    
    I have to say, all in all, it was probably one of the best concerts
    I've ever been to (not counting 4th row at The Cure).  Would I do it 
    again?  Definitely!  Would I do it a lot (like go to every show)?  
    Probably not -- I love the pleasure I know I'll get from the
    anticipation and uniqueness of it every once in awhile.  I would never 
    want this incredible feeling to become routine.  
    
    Thanks to my fabulous host (you know who you are), you gave me a 
    huge gift last night, and I had an incredible time!
    
    Kath
23.1094NAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Mon Oct 03 1994 14:3612
    Hi Kath!
    
    So, you finally made it to a show!  That's wonderful to hear!  I don't
    know if my opinion will sway you at all, but after 22 years of Dead
    shows, I can tell you that it never really does get routine.
    
    There is nothing like a Grateful Dead show.
    
    Welcome to GRATEFUL!
    
    tim
    
23.1095review from debessWESERV::ROBERTSclimb a ladder to the starsMon Oct 03 1994 15:4241
	Show notes (10/2) from Debess. you can send her mail at EDSDS6::GRABAZS.
	She misses us ! 
			       		**** 

	Last night's show was kinda slower in the first set and then pretty 
        darn nice 2nd set...

	TWO Phil songs last night :-P...
	Samba in the Rain, again :-P...

	nice opener with Jack Straw 

	highlight of the 1st set for me was the closer - Picasso Moon.

	2nd set opened with IKO!!!!!  Must have gone on for at least a
	half an hour - YOWWWWWWWWWW!

	They did Samson last night - I love that bluesy beat - yes, yes...

	Crazy Fingers, I thought, was just beautiful...only to be surpassed
	later on by Days Between....mmmmm

	They did That would Be Something (Paul McCartney tune), which I
	think they did for the first time in Boston when Hornsby was
	with them...

	SPACE was probably The Highlight of the show for me - it was SOOOOOOO
	beautiful - it started out with the sampling (or whatever that is)
	after drums into a BEEautiful soundtrack for an amazingly
	intricate light show - space was a lightshow - and then it became
	a real beautiful jazz piece with Jerry on midihorns...it seems
	that many times last night the guitarists would stand back in
	a "small" triangle and play to eachother

	I wondered, after the fiasco at Highgate, how Jerry would do with
	USBlues - he seemed to nail it...he seemed to nail all his songs
	last night, actually

	Debess

	                               
23.1096Trip ReportNYEM1::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleMon Oct 03 1994 16:3125
    What a great weekend!
    
    Started with a wonderful drive up to beautiful New England.  A visit to
    the JFK Library and then a little show before the show at the
    Commonwealth.  I would have liked to see them make the beer since our
    table was right infront of a brewing room!
    
    Jack, you're right it has been too long!  JC I still owe you a beer!
    And, Carol you are the best!
    
    The song selection was right up my alley.  Any show that has
    Help/Slip/Franklin's, Scarlet/Fire and Terrapin is A-OK in my book. 
    Our seats were fine, the sound was fine, couldn't see the screen, but
    that was alright too!
    
    I was amazed by the Boston Garden - even though we were all the way in
    the back we still weren't too far from the stage.  You can actually see
    the dust balls hanging off the rafters!  However, the smokiness really
    got to me after awhile.  I'm glad I can now say that I saw a show
    there.  I bet everyone will think the new Boston Garden is sterile
    after this place!
    
    And, two more weeks and then more shows - I'm psyched!
    
    Fredda  
23.1097on a less specific noteSMAUG::BLATTTue Oct 04 1994 04:471
BABY I'M AMAZED
23.1098review from debess 10/3 showWESERV::ROBERTSclimb a ladder to the starsTue Oct 04 1994 15:5165
    	(This is from Debess .. you can send her mail at EDSDS6::GRABAZS)
    
    
    	10/3

	If you look at Jerry's songs, you'll notice they're all pretty
	upbeat...pretty much...and that was way fun to have him "high
	energy" all night...

	I LOVE the blues - first set last night was pretty heavenly for
	me!!!  Loose Lucy!!!  Little Red Rooster!

	I have been loving Bobby's acoustic work - but I'm not
	a big cowboy song fan - last night I was hoping for
	Black Throated Wind and that's what they did - ahhhhhhhh...
	very very nice...

	Bird Song extended out into the beautiful October skies ;-)
	so much so that when they finally came down to earth again,
	I forgot! what song they had been playing...and it was a
	surprise to hear them starting up Bird Song again! ;-)
	...at the end, I think it was Bobby cause he was the one
	fooling around with controls, there were some beautiful
	bird-like sounds.

    	2nd set featured SHAKEDOWN!!!! well, well well!

	Cassidy was out in space too!  Lots of nice space in the
	2nd set...

	We were way up in back again, but down towards the front of
	the balcony - which gave us a GREAT view of the whole stadium
	and stage AND really good sound too...  during drums I was
	thinking - I still can't feel the drums up here, but...as
	it progressed and got louder and louder and more intense
	oooooooohhhhhhmmmmmmmmm - Yes!  I LOVE it - it feels SO good!

	Space I sat for and put my feet up and just melted back into
	my seat to EnJoy!  They got into a jazzy groove again at one 
	point - very, very nice.

	Wheel and Watchtower again - can not complain about them as
	repeats!
	
	Vocals were SO beautiful last night - and 2 most beautiful
	songs to showcase with - Attics and Brokedown...I just
	happened to notice a woman in a light down off to the
	right of the stage signing to a group of deaf people in back
	of her - Whoa - that was beautiful to watch - she was dancing
	at the same time as she was making pictures of the words with
	her hands ...but, I couldn't watch her for TOO long because
	what was taking place on stage was so sweet...

	Around and Around was pretty neat - instead of just the (great ol')
	rock'n'roll version - they went into boogie woogie and then JAZZ - 
	yow!   Unreal!

	It was a shorter show than we've been treated to during this run,
	but it was quite satisfying I must say - it's all still in my
	head and I hope it will be for a long while.....

	Debess

	
23.109910/3RICKS::CALCAGNIThere's no money to be made above the 5th fretTue Oct 04 1994 18:2319
    My second show ever.  I sat with the tapers last night; quite an
    experience.  For one thing, I went to clap after the first tune, and
    suddenly noticed no one in my section was moving a muscle.  Holy breach
    of etiquette, Batman; I had to fight the impulse all night!
    
    Seemed to be less jammin last night; only Birdsong stretched in the
    first set (but boy, did it stretch), Shakedown and Cassidy had some
    nice moments.  But I love the flow, and Wednesday night seemed to have
    more of those goodies.  The one place last night really stood out over
    Wednesday for me was Space; it was definitely happening!  I also got
    to truly experience the Beam; wow.  That baby made the Garden ice
    shake.  My friend said the exit from Space sounded like a perfect build
    for "Dark Star", but alas it was not to be.
    
    The encore "Brokedown Palace" was truly moving.  I'd never heard this
    tune before, but noticed everyone in the place (even the tapers) were
    singing long.  It was like church.
    
    /rick
23.1100MR4MI2::REHILLCall Me Mystery HillTue Oct 04 1994 20:405
    "(even the tapers) were singing along"
    
    No we weren't honest...we never sing along....
    
    
23.1101ROADKL::INGALLSLost in CyberspaceTue Oct 04 1994 20:5910

>    "(even the tapers) were singing along"
>    
>    No we weren't honest...we never sing along....

No, but many do a fine job of lip-sync ;^)
    
    

23.1102AKOCOA::SMITH_DOn this harvest moonWed Oct 05 1994 18:1027
    
    Well, On the whole....A very good run of showz!!!  
    
    More improv than usual, a couple noteworthy climaxes and a colorful 
    selection of songs.  :-)
    
    It was also my grate pleasure to be the "host" to someones first 
    show....welcome to the grateful thang Kath!!!!! :-) 
    
    Some comments...good and not so good....     
    Jerry is either going to need lyrical assistance on the Spring Tour or 
    someones may hafta help him out. However....the guitar work sounds better 
    than I think it has in years!!!  Besides the screeeeeching midi, Bobby is 
    very much with it....I was pleasantly surprised with his performance this 
    run...hell, even Enternity sounded good.  As far as I can tell, Bobby's 
    leading the band.  This was prevalent at Highgate too.   Phil's also on 
    the ball...writing new songs....a couple of which are a little ho humm,
    but it's good to see him at the mic more often.  Thank goodness for Samba 
    in the Rain!!! Vince has finally got another song, and it's got some gusto.
    I like it!  It has more changes than Long Long and it explodes at some 
    points...MUCH more colorful!  I would like to see Vince upgrade his 
    keyboard technology (IMO).   
    
    The drummers....Rolling and ripping!!!  Billy and Mickey have my standing 
    OV for this tour!  The unsung hero's! FAR OUT MAN!!!!!!!
 
    Now back to our regularly scheduled tour-flu!!!
23.1103"I've stayed in very redlight mumble, mumble..."NAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Wed Oct 05 1994 19:068
    I've been thinking that maybe the next techno-toy that they get should
    be one of those heads-up displays like they use on F-16's that could be
    attached to Jerry's glasses and used as a teleprompter for lyrics.
    
    Or, maybe just a plain old teleprompter...;-)
    
    tim
    
23.1104STOWOA::JOLLIMOREI'm back from the DeadWed Oct 05 1994 19:102
	i guess he figures in bawstin gahdin, the crowd will carry on
	with the lyrics (like they know them ;-)
23.1105AKOCOA::SMITH_DOn this harvest moonWed Oct 05 1994 19:3613
    
    Perhaps it was the crowd that was throwing Jerry off!
    
    I think the new monitoring system should provide some lyrical 
    assistance in emergency situations....someone at the soundboard
    could be keeping track....
    
    I almost died laughing when Jerry butched the lyrics to "The Days
    Between" (not too cool) and the deaf woman doing sign language turned 
    around and looked at Jerry with a somewhat pissed off look...then she 
    shrugged and got back to her thing.... :-)
    
    
23.1106only, what, 4 or 5 repeats in 6 nights!PONDA::NOKNOK::BELKINgathered from coincidenceWed Oct 05 1994 20:1519
>    Perhaps it was the crowd that was throwing Jerry off!

I was amazed at how loudly the crowd was signing along on so many of
the songs!  Especially tunes like Tennessee Jed.

I wonder too if the earphone monitors allows someone at the 'board to interject
comments on the song selection process.

Jer <jamming aimlessly lost>: uh, Bob, how about St. Steven?

Bob : Naw I wanna do Miracle.

Official Setlist Guy At the Board <in Houston Mission Control voice>:
	Uh, sorry Bob, you played Miracle last night, Jerry wins.

Phil: hey, no way man, the Other One... screw you all....
  <massive Phil bombs blow away anything Bob and Jerry try>

		BA DA DA   DA DA DA   DA DUMMMMM!!
23.1107STOWOA::JOLLIMOREI'm back from the DeadThu Oct 06 1994 11:40116
>                  -< only, what, 4 or 5 repeats in 6 nights! >-

	I got 5: Samba, So Many Roads, Watchtower, Way To Go Home and
	         Wheel.
	
	105 songs, 5 repeats.
Night
|Set
||Song Number (999 is the encore)
||||
VVVV
5201 Aiko-Aiko                 
5103 All Over Now                
4105 Althea                      
6107 Attics of my life  
2999 Baby Blue                 
6102 Beat It On Down The Line    
2102 Bertha                     
4107 Big River *                 
6108 Birdsong                    
2207 Black Peter                  
6107 Black-Throated Wind *       
6201 Box'O Rain         
6999 Brokedown Palace 
5105 Broken Arrow                
3106 Brown-eyed women           
6203 Cassidy            
6105 Childhood's End             
1201 Chinacat Sunflower>  
1205 Corrina              
5205 Crazy Fingers >           
1106 Cumberland Blues           
1108 Deal                       
6106 Dire Wolf                   
2108 Don't Ease me in           
1107 Easy Answers               
2105 El Paso (Bobby, acoustic)  
3203 Estimated prophet>   
2107 Eternity                   
3202 Eyes>                
1101 Feel like A Stranger       
4202 Fire                     
2202 Foolish Heart                
4103 Franklin's                  
6204 Goin' down TRFB    
2103 Greatest Story             
3204 He's Gone            
3101 Hell in a Bucket           
4101 Help ->                     
3999 I fought the Law  
1202 I know you Rider     
5203 If The Shoe Fits          
5101 Jack Straw                  
1999 Jonny B. Goode    
4206 Last Time ->             
2106 Lazy River Road            
3107 Let it Grow                
2101 Let the Good times roll    
4999 Liberty               
2203 Looks like Rain              
6103 Loose Lucy                  
5102 Loser                       
2208 Lovelight                    
1105 Maggies Farm>              
5106 Mama Tried (*) ->           
3105 Masterpiece (acoustic)     
4106 Me & My Uncle -> *          
5107 Mexicali Blues (*)          
1103 Minglewood                 
2206 Miracle                      
5210 Not Fade Away             
4208 One More Saturday Night  
3205 Other one>           
3102 Peggy-o                    
5109 Picasso Moon                
3201 Playin' in the Band> 
4110 Promised Land                                        
3104 Ramble on Rose             
6104 Red Rooster                 
6208 Round & round      
5104 Row Jimmy                   
4204 Saint of Circumstance -> 
5202 Samba In The Rain         
2204 Samba in the Rain            
5204 Samson & Delilah,         
4201 Scarlet ->               
6202 Shakedown St.      
4102 Slip ->                    
1104 So Many Roads              
4109 So Many Roads               
1208 Standing on the Moon 
4207 Stella Blue ->           
3207 Sugar Mag            
5108 Tennessee Jed               
4205 Terrapin ->              
5207 That Would be Something > 
5208 The Days Between >        
1102 They love each other       
5209 Throwing Stones >         
4108 Tom Thumb's Blues           
6101 Touch 'O Grey>              
5206 Truckin >                 
5999 U.S. Blues             
1206 Uncle John's Band    
2201 Victim or the Crime          
4104 Walkin Blues                
3103 Wang Dang Doodle           
6206 Watchtower         
1207 Watchtower           
4203 Way to Go Home      
1204 Way to go Home       
2104 West L.A.                  
3206 Wharf rat>           
6205 Wheel              
2205 Wheel                        
1203 Women R Smarter      
23.1108Rock My Soul :)MAYES::OSTIGUYThu Oct 06 1994 13:1454
Well, after taking Tuesday off to recover from being involved in the Quantum
project for Capital Accounting (not what I love to do, but which pays the bills)
and enjoying a Beautiful day/evening with good friends, meeting folks, and of
course, a Grate show, here's my Dead report for Monday 10/3/94.

Get out of work at 1:30, Karen picks up Chris Fields and me...go to Blazer
hospital to get repaired Blazer...after hitting Chris's place, we head into
Boston...park at State Street Bank, head over to Commonwealth Brewery to start
having some fresh brew...we meet Tom Westervelt there, ready to attend his very
first Dead show...see Chris LeBlanc, Dean-O, Josh, and MNelson... meet Jay 
Jollimore (nice pix there Jay) his friend Steve...a handful of Boston Burton 
Ales later, head to the Beanpot to meet Bruce and Tina, so Chris can get his 
ticket !!!..."a Beautiful thing happened on the way to the Garden"  we run into
da ve and Roch...Cool !!! this is turning out perfect...we meet Bruce and Tina, 
and get the blessed 16th row ticket for Chris...off to the Garden and Upgrade 
Central...Tom and I get upgraded to Loge 3, the official Dechead upgrade 
section....meet Jeff Strobel and Slash there...(nice meetin' you guys there)

Touch of Grey opener...well, being the grey-haired young fogie that I am, I love
this start...rockin' good sign...Loose Lucy was nice to hear...Tom, I told you
this would be a real good time ;)  MR. Fields being the generous soul that he 
is, volunteers to swap seats with Tom and I at 3-song, 20 minute intervals 
during set 1...so, at the end of Loose Lucy, I look over and see Chris leaving 
the floor pointing to our meeting area...I walk onto the floor into the 1st row,
second section back as the boys break into Little Red Rooster...caught that, 
Childhood's End and DIREWOLF on the floor, with Tina, then Bruce who returned 
before Childhood's End...and one of the highlights of the night was Direwolf 
from the floor for me...I catch the start of Black Throated Wind with Bobby on 
acoustic, and head out to meet Tom, who is about to experience the floor for 
the rest of set 1.  I thought the jam in Birdsong was IT, but a little shaky on
the vocals as they came out of IT and back to the singing...but that's just 
fine...

hangin' out talkin' to Slash et al during intermission break...Phil opens set 2
with Box of Rain....YAAHH...Slash called Shakedown Street as the 2nd set opener,
and they Smoked through that jam...another highlight IMO of the evening, that
jam...Cassidy, GDTRFB, things just kept crooozin' along...I was looking forward
to D/S, but felt the need for a walkabout...ran into a fellow Wormtown musician
out in the hallway...Grate things happen at these shows ;)   back to Dechead
central for end of space into The Wheel...THANX GUYZ !!!   Watchtower...OK, so
is that Dylan rumor true ??   no, but it was fun anyway...  Attics is one of my 
Faves from the boyz, so that was a sing-along for me...and Brokedown Palace was 
perfect...all in all, I thought they sounded Grate, although I don't like that
sound Bobby uses too much, I think he should be using something "cleaner" or
even more acoustic...and being a keyboard player, I thought Vince's playing was
well done, I liked his jammin' when he had the chance...

sorry this is so loooong, but I had a Grate night and wanted to share the joy
of my experience...and it was fun to turn Tom onto his 1st show...thanx again
to Fog for the tix, and Chris for this upgrade deal and letting us sneak on
the floor for a while...

Wes
    
23.1109AWATS::WESTERVELTTomThu Oct 06 1994 15:2412
Yeah, it was great getting to sit on the floor for a while, although I enjoyed
the dechead section a lot.  Pretty weird feeling, I go to a dead show and all
I meet are DECccies!  Anyway, I loved the blues tunes a lot, those carried
the most weight for me... I was also impressed Wes called Brokedown Palace!
Space was fun, Watchtower is a favorite of mine, I wish Bob had showed up,
all in all a terrific experience.  Watching this old greyhaired guy wail on
guitar, thinking about all the history behind these guys... much fun.  Also
a lot of fun to see folks "my own age"  ;-)  and *even older*! (ha ha) 
boogeying like crazy... makes you realize it's what's in  your head that
counts, not what age your body is.

Tom
23.1110CXDOCS::BARNESThu Oct 06 1994 15:417
    "...it's what's in your head that counts, not what age your body is"
    
    
    that should go in the THOUGHT FOR THE DAY note....and someone should
    tell MNELSON that too....%^)
    
    rfb_old f*ck
23.1111Open Doorway Snarf 11:11STOWOA::JOLLIMOREI'm back from the DeadThu Oct 06 1994 15:430
23.1112STOWOA::JOLLIMOREI'm back from the DeadThu Oct 06 1994 15:468
>(nice pix there Jay)
	
	Thanks. :-)  I'll be making copies for those that are interested.
	
	Nice meeting you and Tom and MNelson! and nice seeing those I saw
	who I haven't seen in a while  8*)
	
	Jay
23.1113Not bad fer an old coot.......SALEM::LEBLANCThu Oct 06 1994 15:436
    rfb
    mnelson parties like a seasoned 17 year old.....he kep the pace step fer 
    step at the commonwealth, at the beanpot, at the sports cafe..etc etc etc
    but the question remains, how old is he??
    :^0
    chris_young_un
23.1114CXDOCS::BARNESThu Oct 06 1994 15:535
    I KNOW!! chris...believe me I KNOW! He's always givin ME sh*t about
    being an old fart.. 
    
    i think he's about 25 or so....%^)
    rfb
23.1115NAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Thu Oct 06 1994 16:307
"It's not the years, it's the miles."

		- Indiana Jones

;-)

tim
23.1116NAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Thu Oct 06 1994 16:307
"It's not the years, it's the miles."

		- Indiana Jones

;-)

tim
23.1117ROADKL::INGALLSLost in CyberspaceThu Oct 06 1994 16:345
"It's not the years, it's the Smiles."

-me

23.1118no so oldUSOPS::MNELSONInspiration, move me BrightlyFri Oct 07 1994 12:504
    
    hey rfb,
      you're one of the youngest oldsters I know.  ;^)
    	Mark
23.1119AKOCOA::SMITH_DOn this harvest moonFri Oct 07 1994 13:012
    
    Or is that "one of the oldest youngsters you know"  ;-) ;-) ;-)
23.1120BIODTL::JCdon't criticize itWed Oct 12 1994 12:5313
Sat's show was #1.  excellently played, and i hadda excellent state-of-mind
headin' in the place... thanks goes out to my friend Big Joe Bolles for
takin' care of me...

Tues, #2...  excellent again.  for a tour opener, i was blown away and very
psychged for the remaining shows.

Thurs.. #3... a blurr at this point

Weds.. #4... blur...

i only saw 4 out of 6.

23.1121CXDOCS::BARNESWed Oct 12 1994 13:248
    what a guy that Big Joe is, eh?? JC, tell him Howdy for Patty and I...did
    he ever tell ya about the Mile High Show we ferried him  to and from?
    and the Denver neighborhood we parked in and the events with the
    "homeboys" after the show??? Lucky to get out alive, but.....FUNNY
    STUFF!!!!!!!
    
    
    rfb_homey
23.1122BIODTL::JCdon't criticize itFri Oct 14 1994 19:0212
re                     <<< Note 23.1121 by CXDOCS::BARNES >>>

>    what a guy that Big Joe is, eh?? JC, tell him Howdy for Patty and I...did
>    he ever tell ya about the Mile High Show we ferried him  to and from?
>    and the Denver neighborhood we parked in and the events with the
>    "homeboys" after the show??? Lucky to get out alive, but.....FUNNY
>    STUFF!!!!!!!
 
oh yeah, he told me about that one!!!!!!!!!!!!  we hadda great time seeing
shows there in '90 ... especially after we visited ya'll and you set us
right for the fun... great time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23.1123SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Oct 20 1994 19:295
So no one popped out on stage to play a tune or 2 w/ the Dead in NYC?

seems unusual...
bob

23.1124STOWOA::JOLLIMORECulture out the wazooThu Oct 20 1994 19:291
	'cept dylan in one encore.
23.1125SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Oct 20 1994 19:318
>	'cept dylan in one encore.

Thanks J,

I must've missed that.  

bob

23.1126CXDOCS::BARNESThu Oct 20 1994 19:314
    I was just informed yesterday what song Rainy Day Women really is...the
    crowd in NY musta went nuts!!!!!!
    
    rfb
23.1127"Oh they'll stone you when you're at the breakfast table..."QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Oct 20 1994 19:356
Well, rfb, the name of the song is really

Rainy Day Women #12 and 35

And I have absolutley no idea how it fits in with the
song ;-)
23.1128'Twas on purposeLIOVAX::MERRILLJust another day next door to HellFri Oct 21 1994 12:406
    Rainy Day Women #12 And 35 is titled that because Columbia Records
    wouldn't let Dylan use the title Everybody Must Get Stoned back in
    the days that he recorded it. He was supposedly so pissed off about
    it that he supplied them a title that purposefully made no sense...
    
    Marc
23.1129denver run sept 29, 30 dec 1 rfb reviewCXDOCS::BARNESMon Dec 05 1994 21:56127
    weeelllll....WE"RE BACK!!!!!!!!!!   %^) This is a vacation review as
    well as a review of the Denver run...
    
    The entire Barnes family went to Michigan over the Thanksgiving holiday. 
    HAd Thanksgiving and Xmas all wrapped into one...as well as Patty's 25
    Class reunion. Hectic, needless to say. Patty blew everyone away at her
    reunion, they remembering her as a chunky red-head in 1969. She was
    foxed out to the max this nite...you could hear the jaws hittin the floor. 
    We made the DJ stop playing the lame 1969 music (actually some was good)
    and play the dead...%^). 
    
    ate Lake Mich walleye and white fish as well
    as visited the Grand Rapids (oneandonly) Brewery...EXCELLENT BLACK DOG
    ALES!!! Then the friendly skies of DELTA flew us all over the nation to
    get us back to COlo springs..24 hours later we were on our way to the
    Denver shows.
    
    Patty, I, Hoot and Divide Dave check into the Ramada (formerly the
    Holidead Inn) round 3 pm Tuesday and start on those 6 cases of
    homebrew. It was sorta chilly so we opted out of the vending scene for
    that day. ON TO DE SHOW!!! We noticed inside that the crowd seemed to
    be either older local heads or youngsters, figgered the Calif. crowd
    opted to stay in Calif since they had several shows in 2 runs comin
    their way anyway. BTW, no security hassles. JACKSTRAW opener we called
    and liked. It rocked right along! Let me say this right now before I
    move on...these are MY perceptions of the run...I've heard that alot
    both local and those on the net disagree with me, dat's OK. 
    Peggy-o-->walkin was sweet. I always have liked Patty, err Peggy-o.
    So Many Roads, as usual was weak. even the ending where Jerry wails "SO
    MANY ROADS, TO EASE MY SOUL..." was sorta lame. El Paso was Ok but just
    didn't seem to have the punch it needs to make that a rockin song. Same
    with 10-a-c-jed...I love that song but it just didn't seem to kick.
    Easy Answers, again not one of my favorites. Jerry left the stage and I
    must admit, for Jerry not being there the jam at the end was pretty
    good. All in all a disapointing first set. But the second set more than
    made up for it! IKO , PLAYin-->UJB-->BABA-->TNK-->D/S was just freakin
    killer!!!!!!! Cause I was a little bent with the first set, I danced my
    ass off for the second. LAst time was OK Stella Blue was the best I've
    EVER heard! Jerry's voice was clean, no croaking at all, hitting
    multiple levels with his voice and not getting off-key at all! -->Sugar
    MAg which patty and I were diein for since that's one of the tunes the
    DJ from her reunion played for us, was again a "dance yer ass off
    "tune. The Baby Blue encore was real sweet. We have not heard that, I
    believe since 1985 when Brent sang it in Red Rocks, (could be wrong
    there). Walked across the parking lot back to our hotel where Nazi-type
    Denver cops and hotel security checked every person going in
    "registered guests only" "Freakin Nazis"!!!!! We had shrimp and veggies
    and about 3 cases that nite. 
    
    Next day, up and off to the Wynkoop Brewery, got ripped off by a denver
    shuttle bus driver, taxis, after that were the only way to travel.
    Drank ourselves so silly that medicinal remeides were in order at the
    brewery as well as large amounts of food, which led to larger amounts
    of more beer. we were smashed....but laughin....back to the hotel,
    funny thing, pre-show activities were NOT limited or frowned upon by
    the hotel...only post show stuff. Drank some more of our own brews and
    went SHOPPING at the scene. It was 68 degrees and a be-u-ti-ful day for
    drinking and shopping
    AND WHAT A SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!
    possibly one of the best I've ever seen. TOG-->Greatest Story, West LA,
    Queen Jane, LRR and I was a believer again!!!! then Me and My
    Uncle-->Big River WOW!!!!! smokin! hot! cookin! at the end of Big River
    Jerry looks around and shrugs his shoulders like "Damn that was so hot,
    what do we play now"? I yelled Loose Lucy asnd Jerry musta heard me %^)
    cause the boyz spit one out that was as hot as I've heard since the
    first Vegas show. Cassidy was OK, but the JAM!,, oh THE JAM!!!!!! sent
    me into outer space!!! Second set....the BEST Victim I've ever heard!
    Samba was interesting, I like it! Crazy Fingers was Ok, I've heard
    better, in fact in PHX last spring. ESt Prophet was as smokin as they
    come and the jam that came from EP and went into Terrapin was MY KINDA
    JAM! out there...WAY out there!! Terrapin...ahhh what can I say then of
    course the Terrapin jam blew all the other jams away! -->D/S--> I could
    a swore, as did Hoot, they were going into Truckin...headrd the tease
    several times in space. But they chose Miricle...mediocre. But SOTM
    was So, SO, SO SWEET! --> Lovelite (mediocre) Liberty as the encore and
    the best I've heard. Hoot's comment on Liberty "They should make every
    kid in every grade school sing that song first thing every morning."
    The second set Tues and the whole show Wed and I coulda died happy. My
    face hurt so much from smilin during the songs Wednesday, the smile was
    permeently etched on my face until I fell asleep that nite...but not
    until after special Hoot burritos and a BUNCH of homebrews. 
    
    The screen effects were the best Tues but the show Wed was THE
    SHOW!!!!!
    
    I jinked the last show by saying to hoot and dave "I hate to think it,
    but i think THE SHOW was last nite". But I'm ahead of myself....
    Woke up and went back to the Wynkoop to buy some jugs of their
    Cranberry, but we had drank it all the day before! So we just had lunch
    and tons of every other kind of berr they had. Hoot had to buy a jug of
    IPA to mix with our darker beers. Stumbled back to our hotel for more
    beers and then SHOPPING AGAIN!! we just couldn't stay out of the scene
    on such beutiful days..remember this is DEC in COlo! and it's close to
    70 degrees. Bought a few long sleeve T's one that I really like, a take
    off on the far side cows...they are eating as normal in the first
    screen, one yells "HEADS!" the cows put on their tye-dyes and wave as
    the VW bus of deadheads drive by, then go back to normal cows after the
    van is gone. TOO FUNNY!! TO DE SHOW!!! Hell-->Sugar-ree and I thought
    here we go! no jinxed show! wangdang was OK and Loser, one of my
    favorites was a good long tune. Phils song out and out SUCKS!
    Masterpiece was good and hot and I said again "Ok, this IS going to be 
    hot show." birdsong was kinda lame for birdsong.  Second set HCS!!! my
    first! but it just didn't seem to kick, so I was worried about my
    "jink". St-->long long-->Eyes-->jam--D/s was OK, still there was
    "something missing"..then everything fell apart. Watchtower was good
    but Days Between was so mellow it almoist put me to sleep standing up
    and Jerrys voice was no longer that clean crisp voice it had been the
    previous 2 nites. (AND I DO MEAN CLEAN THOSE FIRST 2 NITES! the best
    I've ever heard Jerry) so Days basically sucked. Bobby screwed up the
    same linne 3 times in Throwing Stones nad NFA had no punch at all. we
    were hopin for US Blues as an upbeat encore after such a lame 2nd set
    but Jerry started Brokedown in the middle of the song!!! It sucked. 
    Back to the hotel for spicy Gumbo, "Icy Cold IPA's" and our own brews.
    
    in summary....the second set of the first nite and the whole second
    nite were THE SHOWS. The first nite's visuals were the best of the run
    with all kinds of little stealies superimposed on other things on the
    screen. The second nite put a permanent smile on my face for the next 5
    days...like a manic depressive, nothing could ruin the vibes in my
    head. The third nite upset me only because we had friends there for
    their first shows and I thought they deserved better...I've seen "lame"
    shows before but this one was uncalled for. The 4 of us drank all but
    about a twelve pack of the six cases we brewed (patty says Hoot and I
    drank most of it) as well as abunch of Wynkoop brews. we ate good,
    drank good, danced good and spread nothing but good vibes....wish we
    could made the Shakedown Street shows the following weekend, but we
    were just to damn tired. All in all....THANK YOU, FOR A REAL GOOD TIME!
23.1130Oakland 12/8-12/12ROMEOS::QUACKENBU_KIMon Dec 05 1994 22:3410
    
    
    Woa mon, you've got me really cookin' for the four shows comin' up
    this week/weekend in Oakland. Yikes, I can't wait!!!!!!
    
    CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Kip
    
23.1131STOWOA::JOLLIMOREgoes to show ya don't ever knowTue Dec 06 1994 11:233
	that second nite sounds like a grate show.
	
	how many days 'til spring tour???
23.1132Budget now....CSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKTue Dec 06 1994 11:275
    yeah
    what's the deal? will the lovely city of albany let the boys and the
    fray back into town?
    
    rumors? anyone?
23.1133cool review... :^)ALFA2::DWESTbut i play one on tv...Tue Dec 06 1994 12:074
    thanks RFB...  nice way to start my day... :^)
    
    
    					da ve
23.1134GRANPA::TDAVISTue Dec 06 1994 12:111
    RFB  Grate review, thanks for taking the time to share. 
23.1135CXDOCS::BARNESTue Dec 06 1994 14:236
    I forgot to mention that the second nite Patty and I sat with Tom and
    Rose Lawlor just one tier off the floor, grate seats for both sound and
    visuals and because they were "added" seats MUCH more room for dancin!
    Thanks Tom!
    
    rfb
23.1136denver showsPEAKS::LAWLORcan't go back ... can't stand stillWed Dec 07 1994 17:4536
    	Finally getting around to post this short perception of the denver
    run.
    
	I thought the Denver shows were very good. The actual playing
was very tight and solid, for the most part, all three nights! I felt that for
the first show Jerry seemed ah... less than inspired alot of the time but the 
rest of the band was hot. I don't know if Jerry really had equipment trouble or
if that's become his excuse when he's not into it ? We sat up close and I'll
say that Jerry did not look good at all Tuesday, I just didn't think he was
ready for it that night although when he did "play" it sounded quit good. The
band did a good job with Easy Answers even though Jerry had left the stage! 
Then Bobby says "I guess were gonna take a break". Don't get me wrong, this
show had many highlights, especially in the second set, I loved the baba -
tomorrow never knows thing!
	Wednesday was my favorite of the run, the music sounded grate to me
all night, Jerry was much more into it I thought, and the rest of the band
remained solid. I came away from this one feeling totally satisfied. We got to
enjoy it all with RFB and Patty too... too much fun... well almost !
	The Thursday show started out really fine. I thought that the Bucket
opener was one of the best I have heard. The rest of the first set was grate
too, including the the Phil tune Shoe Fits, I think it's his best one right now.
The second set started out pretty good but went downhill a little,
especially after drumz. But it may have just been a personal thing with me
too. I certainly was not disappointed with this show by any means though.
	The other story is the lyric problems both Jerry and Bob continue to
experience. Sometimes it bothers me sometimes it doesn't depending on the 
jamming but it's starting to get a little old. It is apparently getting worse
with each tour so I think they really should start using some sort of cuing
system. I heard talk about them using teleprompters, hey I'm all for it !
	Overall I think the boys are in good form and I wish I had the time to
head out to LA (never saw a show there) and dig a few more !

TL
	

23.1137SLC 2-21-95 stats.AKOCOA::DMITCHELLweir guilty of the same ole thingWed Feb 22 1995 18:048
    
    Salt Lake City - first time Dead have played this
    
    I Just Wanna Make Love to You - Done in the old days by Pigpen. Done
    twice by Brent, 7/22/84 at Ventura and 10/8/84 Centrum.
    
    Visions of Johanna -  Done twice before, 3/19/86 Hampton and 4/22/86
    Berkeley,Ca
23.1138we want VIN !MPGS::FIELDSWed Feb 22 1995 18:108
    >    I Just Wanna Make Love to You - Done in the old days by Pigpen.
    >    Done twice by Brent, 7/22/84 at Ventura and 10/8/84 Centrum.
    
    
    so is Vinny singing this ?
    
    
    Chris
23.1139BINKLY::CEPARSKIYou Don't Know How Easy It IsWed Feb 22 1995 18:293
    >>so is Vinny singing this ?
    
    no Jerry is!! can ya picture that?!?
23.1140credit where credit is due :-)QUOIN::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Wed Feb 22 1995 19:115
>    I Just Wanna Make Love to You - Done in the old days by Pigpen. Done
>    twice by Brent, 7/22/84 at Ventura and 10/8/84 Centrum.

done in the old old days by the Rolling Stones (on their first album), 
and in the old old old days by McKinley Morganfield, a.k.a. Muddy Waters.
23.1141CXDOCS::BARNESWed Feb 22 1995 19:211
    re:-1 wise guy, eh?....;^)
23.1142Muddy Waters?CSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKThu Feb 23 1995 10:293
    I thought that Wanna Make Love to You was a Willie Dixon Tune?
    
    
23.1143give the da man a cee-gar!QUOIN::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Thu Feb 23 1995 14:092
You're probably right!  Willie Dixon, bass player for Muddy's early '50's
bands, wrote a lot of stuff that Muddy did.
23.1144NETCAD::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedFri Feb 24 1995 16:045
Is this the tune that Foghat covered on their live album?

I can't imagine the dead doing this!  I hope they did it fast.

adam
23.1145i'd like to see em do some MegadeathCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKFri Feb 24 1995 16:071
    the same one Adam
23.1146BINKLY::CEPARSKIYou Don't Know How Easy It IsFri Feb 24 1995 16:154
    I'd imagine they stuck closer to the version the Stones did way back
    when. At least that's how they did it those couple times with Brent on
    the vocals.
    
23.1147DELNI::DSMITHWe'll make great petsTue Mar 21 1995 14:215
    
    I don't mean to be harsh, but.....
    
    Where the heck are the Philly reviews?????????????????????????
    
23.1148STOWOA::JOLLIMOREheavy clouds but no rainTue Mar 21 1995 14:291
	ditto.
23.1149XLIB::REHILLCall Me Mystery HillTue Mar 21 1995 15:045
    
    Well, I got the Setlists in from the Internet, but no reviews as
    of yet.
    
    
23.1150WECARE::ROBERTSclimb a ladder to the starsTue Mar 21 1995 15:143
    My guess is the folks are still resting :-) 
    
    
23.1151In A Word - WOW!!BINKLY::CEPARSKIYou Don't Know How Easy It IsTue Mar 21 1995 15:174
    Weir all still a little stunned I'd say. May be able to get something
    together later 2day.
    
    			-jeff_who's_finding_reality_a_little_harsh_2day
23.1152MAIL1::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleTue Mar 21 1995 15:2329
    OK, OK...here's my very incomplete review of Sat nite.
    
    Haven't been to Philly since May 1977 when I saw my second show and had
    a wonderful time, met the person who is still my closest friend, etc,
    etc.
    
    Easy drive there, went to the Philly Museum of Art to see the major
    blockbuster Barnes Exhibit.  Roamed around the Independence Hall park,
    viewed the Liberty Bell.  Chowed greek food on South St., encountered
    no parking hassles in Vet Stadium parking lot.
    
    It was hell getting into the venue.  Major gate action around the doors
    with 3 check points for ticket viewing.  Much too crowded, but did get
    inside 15 minutes before showtime.
    
    Our seats (from scalper scum) turned out to be side of stage in the
    Phil Zone last row of the stadium.  Couldn't see anything so we moved 
    down a few sections where lo and behold I spoted a DEChead t-shirt. 
    After saying hello to Alan, we settled in.
    
    The sound took a very long time to get adjusted, but the show was fun. 
    Good West LA, excellent Visions of Johanna, very strong space.  The
    Beatles tune (all too much?) was fun, though they couldn't get it
    together to start it for about 5 minutes.  Usual Sat Nite.  
    
    We left at the end of Sat nite to beat the traffic.  Quick ride up the
    NJ Turnpike and home sweet home.
    
    Fredda 
23.1153Outta handCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKTue Mar 21 1995 15:345
    scene sucked
    bunk tickets everywhere
    that about sums it up
    Oh yeah they DID play Unbroken Chain, did someone mention that??
    
23.1154scene sucked???? bunk tixs????CXDOCS::BARNESTue Mar 21 1995 15:564
    barnes exhibit????? i've been known to be an exibishinest (sp) but
    wasn't there?!?!!!
    
    rf barnes
23.1155SALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Tue Mar 21 1995 17:356
    
    
     SPACE, NO SPACE, STRONG SPACE???? WTF?
    
     
     Spaceman Spiff
23.1156CXDOCS::BARNESTue Mar 21 1995 17:411
    that should be spaceman spliff shouldn't it????
23.1157TRLIAN::DUGGANBornInTheDesert,RaisedInTheLionsDenTue Mar 21 1995 17:418
    Ya know, I've often wondered about ole Calvin...
    Hobbes I have NO question about.
    
    8*)
    
    ...michael T. "Owned by a herd of five cats"Head
    
    
23.1158CXDOCS::BARNESTue Mar 21 1995 18:131
    my wife often calls me Calvin 
23.1159 8^)SALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Wed Mar 22 1995 11:184
    
    MY wife often calls me "Jerky"
    
    
23.1160this n thatSMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Fri Mar 31 1995 13:1612
So who sang Schoolgirl?  Lots of new/old stuff popping out eh?  Unbroken Chain,
Salt Lake City, Schoolgirl, Visions...

Saw something that said they soundchecked Schoolgirl, Big Boy Pete and High
Heeled Sneakers at the Omni.....so Schoolgirl pops out...what's next?

Is it the teleprompters?  Must be....

How long before the Dead do a full set of covers?????:)

bob

23.1161bring on saintly steveCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKFri Mar 31 1995 13:281
    Weir?
23.1162WECARE::ROBERTSclimb a ladder to the starsFri Mar 31 1995 14:504
    
    they can play anything they want as long as they show up - as far
    as I'm concerned.  I think it won't be too long before half the show
    will be acoustic also.  
23.1163Willie??SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Apr 06 1995 12:3113
Who's Willie?  
bob

    
    Birmingham-Jefferson Civic Center,Birmingham,AL. 4-5-95 (Wednesday)
      
    I. touch of grey,wang dang doodle,stagger lee,me&my uncle->maggies farm,
       row jimmy row,the music never stopped
    
    II.here comes sunshine,way to go home,truckin->that would be something->
       uncle johns band->matilda**->drums**->space->i need a miracle->
       morning dew
       E: johnny b.goode  **=w/ Willie Green on drums
23.1164good question?AKOCOA::DMITCHELLWillow sky,whoa,I walk and wonder whyThu Apr 06 1995 12:336
    
    -1 bob
    
    No Idea, Bob..thats how I received the set list..
    
    Don
23.1165SALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Thu Apr 06 1995 15:448
    
    
    Willie is a drummer person.
    
    
    (sheesh)
    
    
23.1166SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Thu Apr 06 1995 20:458
>    Willie is a drummer person.
    
yea,  someone said Neville's.

bob
    
    

23.1167Vegas Review may 95CXDOCS::BARNESTue May 23 1995 17:49107
                             Las Vegas, May 95
    
    19 - Thursday nite - Fly outa Colo Spgs, Petemoss forgets all of Denny's
    clothes and everything else except tickets..huge joke of the weekend
    Arrive in nev and get van, buy three coolers and fill with tye-dye beer
    (the best thing about the beer is the label) check in, party, sleep
    a little.
    
    20 - Fryday -- Motto for the day "TO DE SHOW!"
    Divide Dave's throat is screwin with him...(haven't even seen him at
    work today, Oh,Here he is!, throat still botherin him) 
    Buy bumper stickers for rental van 
    On the way to Samuals Deli in GreenVally for breakfast cops are
    everywhwere pullin heads over left and right (Nevada cops need to
    pass out 15-20 tixs a day to be considered for performance review
    /raises. - very good food at Samuals this morning. 
    To de Parking Lot! some shopping. hear DMB from parking lot while
    shopping. Drink lots of beer, head into show, start to melt profusely.
    P-moon, FotD, wang dang and Althea, Quenn Jane and Deal OK, but not
    steller. Second set the floor looks like a mass of melting heads. 
    HCS was great...the rest of the show could be one of the lamest I've
    ever seen/heard. Thank god for other things to even out the monotany of
    a lame set. AFter the show back to the van for the consumption of mass
    quantities of BEER!!!! To Coyote Cantina for mexican chow down and more
    beers. Back to the hotel, Patty crashes, Petemoss goes down
    hard..massive headache from the sun (petey dosen't drink beer) Denny
    heads to the strip for Tuna and the Rads. Hoot and I gamble heavy, he
    winning breakfast for everyone the next day at the Black-Jack tables and
    me turning about 12 bucks into 25. go back to room but somehow end up
    naked in the hottub and pool. watch sun come up. 
    
    21 - Saturday -- motto for the day -- larger pieces more often!!!!!!!!
    Meet sister and crew from Henderson at Samuals for breakfast. Patty
    gets food poisening 20 mins after we eat. Not a good day for her. 
    (she will spend a few songs setting down.) Divide Dave's throat still
    sore. AFter breakfast spend time in bar nursing wicked hangover and no
    sleep. To the store for about 10 cases of beer and ice.
    To the venue, no time for shopping, already missed DMB again
    due to late breakfast, visiting with sister, nieces, nephews, buying
    beer etc.
    Head right in, my sister attends this show with us (not a head) thinks
    we are crazy but has seen us before. THE WHOLE FIRST SET WAS
    KILLER!!!!! except for the closing Eternity. Race is On a first for us.
    I knew from the first notes of 1/2 step that **THIS** was **IT**...
    a couple of concession stand ladies (early 60's??) agree...compared to
    all other concerts, the DEAD ARE **IT**!!!! Second set fantastic! I
    forget all about Fryday's show. Last time->TWBS (first for us) and then
    AM Dew IS, so so, so ,SO, SO SWEET! and
    of course sat nite encore. then, BEER!, BEER!, BEER! Back to the van.
    drink heavily...the food poisening hits Hoot REAL HARD!!! he dissapears
    off into the desert and when he returns I've never seen his face look
    so pale in my life. He was not a happy camper the rest of the weekend.
    Patty's doin better by now. we hit the Coyote again, a quick dinner due
    to the casualties we have. Back to the hotel where the moss man wins
    big on slots and Divide Dave and I lose our asses, now for a little sleep. 
    
    Sunday -- motto for the show,  even larger pieces much more often!!!
    Up early to go save some friends from being thrown out of their hotel,
    seems they neglected to bring any money fro the room. To de show!
    A little more shopping, my sister, Shannon, is the shopper from hell. I
    could never shop anywhwere with her ExCEPT in the lot. Denny buys a
    belt because after two dasy of dancin in the same shorts, he can't keep
    'em up above his knees. (remember, he has NO clothes, buys a t shirt
    too...Miss DMB again,and I hear that the last 3 songs (including his 
    version of watchtower) are killer!!!! Oh well.....into the venue. 
    JAck Straw! "hurts my ears to hear that, Shannon, hurts my eyes to see..." 
    the whole set except TTB and SMR is killer. set break everyone melts 
    again....samson-->UNBROKEN CHAIN!!!!!!-->Eyes JUST F*CKIN GRATE! Hoot 
    still under the weather, Patty pullin out of it, and i think Eyes helped 
    her alot. %^) nice jam outa Velveta, VERY nice Other One outa D/S, days, 
    SUGAR MAG!!!!at the end of sugar mag Patty says "Now *THAT"S* the way to 
    end days between!!! cracked me up!!!!!!!! Liberty was ok...we wanted
    Quinn!!!!! BAck to the van, "we'll never drink all this beer" "they
    don't know me very well do they??" suck ALL beer down, ballons were
    flying thru the air, Mike Bourdess B-day so we party him down pretty
    good (Patty and I telling him we could be his parents, now ain't THAT
    scary!!!) Load up, drop sister off, return rental van now with two dead
    stickers and one from "The Pretty Party Place" , some store where Denny
    bought a monstro ballon for later use. head for airport still flyin on
    our own autopilot, grab beers and munchies, set in last seat of
    airplane so that stewardess can be told to dump some ice on the beer. 
    I don't remeber much about landing or dropping Hoot or Divide Dave off,
    I do remember profreading my daughters English report at 4AM thinking
    man this teacher is gonna ask where in the hell did you come up with
    this punctuation and grammer?...she gets an A+ the next day (who says
    this stuff kills brain cells??) 
    
    sleep 20 hours Monday and Monday nite. woke up around noon once, went
    out for a bite and afterwards found myself thinking "what time is the
    show today..."
    
    recap : nothing like spending 3 days with 50,000 of yer best friends,
    or with about 10 peopel you've come to love and 1 that you've loved for 20
    years........
    met and talked to many, many very nice people, only one asshole, hugged
    lots of nice guys and *pretty* girls. The dance scene was grate! Only ran
    into Mike Duggan on the dance floor during set breaks and only shortly,
    didn't get to meet any other DECheads but dats de way it goes!!! Did
    meet a lot of peopel that Denny and Petey had went to college with ,
    they just get driving by one after the other!!
    
    I'd do it again........
    
    
    
    rfb
    
23.1168SUBPAC::MAGGARDMail Order WivesTue May 23 1995 20:263
Intense!

23.1169NAC::TRAMP::GRADYSubvert the dominant pair of dimesTue May 23 1995 21:139
rfb,

I'd like to do another show with you someday, before it kills you...;-)

(especially now that I dance too!)

Nice review.  Thanks,

tim
23.1170STOWOA::JOLLIMOREDancing Madly BackwardsWed May 24 1995 11:321
	thanks for the review, mon. what a strange trip  ;-)
23.1171:-)BIGQ::DCLARKgiddyup, giddyup 409Wed May 24 1995 15:042
    hey RFB, do you have any 'unzip' tools available to decompress
    all those song abbreviations?
23.1172twas me birthday!FABSIX::T_BEAULIEUHappiness is a warm gunWed May 24 1995 15:346
    
    Grate review rfb cept fer 1 thing.....
    
    you were a day ahead mon... Sat was the 20th   8-)
    
    Toby
23.1173TRLIAN::DUGGANBornInTheDesert,RaisedInTheLionsDenWed May 24 1995 17:0519
    What can I add to the stellar review that the stallar rfb put in?
    
    I'll only say that Saturday was one of the three or four best shows
    I've ever seen.
    
    What does anybody know about the Dave Matthews Band? I was quite
    impressed with their stuff... kind of a cross between It's a Beautiful
    Day and Tim Buckley... very long songs, quite complex and melodic
    tunes.
    
    I'd listen to them again too.
    
    On a bummer note: Last year we met three folks from Glenwood Springs at
    the show. This year there were only two... the third was killed in that
    firestorm on the mountain last July.
    RIP.
    
    ...mike
    
23.1174Vegas / as good as what you're onSEND::SLOANTell ME all that 'cha knowThu May 25 1995 01:3535
    
    
    Well did'nt get to catch up with rfb and other west coast folks.
    We did drive through Green Valley on the way out but never found
    the mexican place, of course, we didn't get the name of it until
    I got back.  I spoke to Adam on the phone but did'nt find him 
    on the way in at the meeting spot... 
    
    We just went to the Saturday show. It was blaaazing hot and sunny.
    DC, Cindo and I were on phil's side since there was some shade
    there as the sun set behind us. This was DC's first Vegas/west show
    and Cindo's first dead show. DC remarked how the crowd was more
    mellow than east coast shows...  Cindy got to hear Truckin .. that's
    always good for a virgin show.  This was my 3rd Vegas show..
    
    Sort of slow start in the 1st set. Masterpiece was great though.
    There were a couple stupid, Bob statements .. guess people were
    passing out all over the floor and Bob said," send all the passed
    out people up front, we collect them".  Then the 1st time they
    started playing China Cat they stopped and Bob said, "That was 
    too fast" and then they started from the beginning.
    
    after d&s we started out towards the back and caught morning dew,
    This could be the last time, and saturday night on the way out. 
    Sound was better in the back since we sat in front of the 
    2 huge speakers, center field, and the sun was still hot at
    7pm.
     
    Did'nt see too much police action at the show. Plenty on the strip
    though. My bet is most arrests were for vagrancy.
    
    looking foward to highgate and albany ..
    
    sloan                                     
    
23.1175CXDOCS::BARNESWed May 31 1995 17:423
    pay no attention to the dates....i didn't!
    
    rfb
23.1176CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jun 06 1995 23:041
    no Shoreline reviews??????????????????????/
23.1177DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbMon Jun 19 1995 13:3545
    
    Perfect weather.  Carmi was awesome...little more mellow this year ;-)
    Vermont is always so beautiful.  
    
    Carefully navigated my way into the show from the North, no traffic 
    what-so-ever.  Ended up pahking in someones sand pit which was right at 
    the end of the airport runway....Rich Frummmm and his crew pulled in 
    shortly after.
    
    Vermonts largest crowd, est. around 100K.  Riot before the show, 
    people broke down a lot of fencing....promoter decided to open 
    the gates just before the Dead.  Listened to Dylan out in the lot.
    Very little police intervention going on anywhere.  

    >I: Touch of Gray,Wang Dang Doodle,Peggy-O,El Paso,Ramble On
    >Rose,Black Throated Wind,Loose Lucy,Promised Land
   
    1st set was, for the most part, excellent.  Jerry had some trouble 
    with Touch of Gray, but things went well after that.  Peggy-o,
    Black Throated Wind and Promised were all pretty hot.  I was looking
    forward to a more interesting 2nd set though.
    
    >
    >II: Here Comes Sunshine,Samba in the Rain,Truckin>Rollin and
    >Tumblin>That Would Be Something>He's Gone>D/S>Box of Rain,Standing on the
    >Moon,Sugar Magnolia
    >
    >E: Liberty    
    
    HCS 2nd set opener so HOT.  Samba (with calypso beat) was the best 
    I've heard yet, the drummers gave Vince a little assistance, it worked.
    Trucking was good until the jam at the end....Rollin and Tumblin->
    That Would be Something->He's Gone was interesting but very low energy.  
    How rare to hear 3 Jerry songs in a row.  Drums was awesome, space 
    sucked.  Box of Rain was extremely HOT!  Seeing Phil bouncing around, 
    acting silly and singing flat encouraged *IT* to come around.  Standing
    on the Moon was lyrically correct with a good climax at the end.  Sugar
    Mag, Jerry's mix was way too low....the rest of the band did a good
    job but missed Jerry wailing during the Sugar-Jam. 
    
    Liberty was a good "exit stage right" song.
    
    No traffic leaving.  Almost nailed a cow near the center though/
    
    See ya in Albany. 
23.1178DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbMon Jun 19 1995 13:453
    
    Oh yeah, bike weekend was good too.  Spent most of it on a raft 
    in Lake Winnepesaukee.  Saw a naked woman on the back of a Harley. 
23.1179:-) WECARE::ROBERTSclimb a ladder to the starsMon Jun 19 1995 14:394
    
    livin' large, deane-o !
    
    
23.1180Lake Carmi was way tooooo tame this yearCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKMon Jun 19 1995 16:032
    RAGE!
    nudity is cool
23.1181MSBCS::EVANSMon Jun 19 1995 17:063
What's this about a riot and breaking down fences?

Jim
23.1182DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbMon Jun 19 1995 17:257
    
    re - riot
    
    The entrances to the show were moving too slow.  Between frustrated
    ticket holders and the ticketless teens, the fences were crushed on 
    two sides of the concert site.  About 10,000 people got in for free
    when the promoter decided to open the doors.    
23.1183so so showUSOPS::MNELSONInspiration, move me BrightlyMon Jun 19 1995 17:3742
    
    My take on the show:
    
    Beautiful Day.  Sun was not too strong in the a.m.   This made the day
    a little more forgiving for those indulging in various festivities.  A
    blazing sun can take its toll.  Beautiful country too enjoy away from
    the show.  
    
    Excellent vending scene.  Most everything you could think of for sale.
    I got some grate tie dyes for both kids and shorts for myself (I sat on
    a freshly creosoled (sp) railroad tie).  The people show was trip in
    itself. 
    
    Bob Dylan came to play and play he did.  He and his band came out how
    from the start (I NEVER thought I'd be saying this about dylan).  His
    song selection was good and they were HOT.  I felt they took the show
    away.
    
    I made the mistake of trying to hit the bathroom after Dylan.  The sea
    of people was overwhelming.  No place to walk without stepping on
    people.   I never made it back to my group.  Luckily, I hung out with
    some excellent new friends for the dead.
    
    The fences around the perimeter of the field came tumblin down during 
    the break.  WAY TOO MANY people came in.  Estimates I saw were between
    90-120K.  Most closer to 90.     
    
    The first set for the dead was ok.  Touch was ok, Wang Dang was ok, I
    liked Ramble, Peggy O was gettin better, Black Throated was pretty
    nice,  Loose Lucy  was ok, Promised was a nice closer.  Overall, first
    set enjoyable but not inspiring.
    
    Second Set just seemd downhill,  I always enjoy the harmonization HCS
    and was happy with it.  It seemed to lack some oomph in the middle. 
    Samba never really does much for me.  Truckin seemed weak,  Couldn't
    get into rollin and tumblin, I love the tune but Jerry seemed weak in 
    He's gone, I loved Drums!!!!! really bizarre and great visuals!!!!!!
    space was no killer,  Box was uninspiring,  as well as SOTM, Sugar mag
    was ok, Liberty was good for getting an early start for the gate.
    
    All in all,  I give the dead only a fair for the performance.  
      
23.1184the fencecrashing is bad news for future shows thereQUOIN::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Mon Jun 19 1995 19:3330
I actually think I saw the same show as -.1, as did most the folk I was
hanging out with.  That is to say,  pretty good first set, nothing spectacular,
second set started nice but went downhill.
Perfect weather - not too hot like last year.
 A lot more people this year seemed to get in earlier.  GerryG and I barely got 
to a spot between the soundboard and lightboard, for stealth "FOB" taping,
when Dylan came out, plugged in, and immediately began playing!
I wanted to go in early, but did the lot with Gerry for a while.
I missed the first min. of Down In The Flood, and somehow my deck got paused
for about 20 seconds just after ITALOT,ITATTC started :-(((.  I also missed 
the first 20 seconds of Dylan's encore.   Got a bit of crowd noise on my tape,
and the couple on my right has a small baby that cryed/screamed a few times.
I think tjd's tape may be better for treeing. 

IMHO the best part of the Dead's show was the middle of the first set - 
Peggy O through BTW.  I'm really starting to agree with those who say that
Jerry just does not have it anymore.  Gerry actually was one of the few
who knew and recognized the "new tune",  Rollin and Tumblin, as an old blues
by ?John Lee Hooker?  Trouble is, the rest of the band didn't really have a 
handle on it, and played it like Minglewood Blues.  The tune needs work.
The most notable thing about the second set was the fact that there were
3 Jerry tunes in a row.

Lake Carmi was indeed pretty mellow after the show.  
Traffic going home on Friday midday SUCKED!  spent an hour in stop and go 
traffic that had backed up about 15 or more miles, due to 2 construction
zones that cut highway down to one lane each way.  However I did make it home
by 4 PM.

 - Josh
23.1185BINKLY::DEMARSEEnjoy beingMon Jun 19 1995 19:3378
    About the fences coming down and etc.
    
    	I went to Highgate with my boyfriend Bow, and neither of us had
    tickets.  This is the first time I have gone to a show without tickets,
    but I was hoping to find some available outside, less than the $35.00
    ticket price.  But unfortunately, everyone heard about how cool the
    scene was last year and how many tickets were available, so everyone
    and everyone they knew went to Highgate without tickets.  ;')
    
    	So....around 5:20 p.m. we decided to hang out in the woods and see if 
    we could see or hear something from there.  There were no 'private
    property' postings or anyone condemning us from going in.  We ended up
    at this ultra cool spot facing the stage dead center.  This was right
    behind the chain-link fence.  It was awesome, the sound was perfect,
    the ground was elevated a little so we could see above everyone, we had
    the woods, didn't have to deal with all of the people inside the show,
    no port-a-potties, etc. etc. (you get the idea).  I laid my blanket out 
    and laid down on the ground, happy as can be, listening to Dylan.  There 
    were Vermont State Policemen on both sides of the fence with police dogs, 
    just standing watch.  They were totally cool, and didn't say anything to 
    us about being there.  People were smoking, etc, and they still didn't say 
    anything.
      
     	Well, all of a sudden, the area we were in crowded in with a lot of
    people (~70-80 people).  ok, cool, whatever.  But then I randomly 
    heard, "We're going to f-in crash the gates man, screw this"...
    "C-mon copper, you wimp, just open the gates up and lets get it over 
    with"..."Yeah, copper, f-you, just let us in!"..."Crash the gates at 
    6:15!!"...etc. etc.  This was coming from all kinds of different people, 
    'deadhead'-types and all, basically the majority of the people there.
    
    (I don't know why they felt they 'deserved' to be let in free.  They
    are the ones that chose to not buy a ticket.  Why ruin it for the ones
    that paid money to get in?)
    
    	I turned around to the people behind me (who were also saying the
    crash-the-gates b.s.) and said, "What is your problem??  Here we are, we 
    have this killer view, the police are being really cool, no hassles, and 
    you want to go in there?? It's a madhouse in there!  What difference will 
    it be if you are in there or out here? We can see perfectly fine, the 
    sound is perfect...when do you get a  chance to go to a show and see/hear 
    everything for free with no hassles?  Just be cool and peaceful..."
    
    	They just looked at me like, "duhhhh..."
    
    So meanwhile, I'm getting really pissed off at the attitudes, nobody
    would listen to me, and the gate-crashing and cop-bashing comments
    continued.  People inside the show were coming up to the fences and
    riling them on.
    
    Around 6:30, about 90% of the people around us stood up and approached 
    the fence.  They started screaming, ran towards it, and tore it down.
    In about 2 seconds it was down and stampedes of people were rushing
    through it.  It was an amazing sight.  Looked like a herd of animals.
                
    The police didn't bother to put it back up.  Bow and I ended up walking
    through it later on, but the scene inside the show sucked.  There were
    _WAY_ too many people there.  There was no place to dance, no place
    to lay down, just shoulder-to-shoulder people.  Anyone that wanted to
    get in got in.
    
    We ended up going back to our spot in the woods, but a lot of people
    from inside-the-show converged back into the woods, so that was packed
    as well.
    
    I don't know, the scene at Highgate bummed me out so much that I kind
    of don't want to go to any more shows this year.  It was just such 
    a weird bad vibe.  Like Bow said, "It's like being at a football game,
    but with tie-dies and more chicks."  :-)  Other people from here
    probably had a lot more fun than I did, but after the traffic hassles and 
    attitude there I give it a thumbs down.  Last year was much cooler than 
    this year was.  I don't blame them if they vote it down next year.  A
    lot of the gate-crashing, etc was uncalled for.
    
    BTW....during one of the gate-crashing waves, five OCCUPIED port-a-potties 
    went down with them....yuck!!! :-o
    
    /d
23.1186BINKLY::DEMARSEEnjoy beingMon Jun 19 1995 19:455
    >> Note 23.1184 by QUOIN::BELKIN
    >>
    >> Lake Carmi was indeed pretty mellow after the show.
    
    Hmmmm......I wonder why???
23.1187QUOIN::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Mon Jun 19 1995 21:117
I think cause it wasn't wayyyy overcrowded like last year, and also maybe cause
it took everone a bit longer to get back there after the show.  So people were
to pooped to party hearty.  When I got back (musta been about 1-1:30 AM)
I hadda nice steaming bowl of ramen noodles before I had a beer, which I only 
drank half of.

Josh
23.1188my tuppence worth...ALFA2::DWESTbut i play one on tv...Mon Jun 19 1995 21:28110
well, here's my take on the highgate show...  good bad or otherwise...

pre-show was awesome...  nice ride up to Lake Karma...  forgot my 
list-o-sites that had decheads so i missed jamming with Danielle's boyfriend 
while she danced around the fire... :^)  i did jam with my buddy Ed (who 
plays with me in CtW and was tere for his first show) and Bruce Mandaro 
(we stayed at Carmi with Tina and himself on their site)...  we drank up a 
bunch of my barley wine with GerryG, Josh, JC&Deb, Debess, Guntis, Rhea, DC 
and a number of other folks who wandered by...  oh yeah, and the remarkably 
jovial Pete Kibling and his pals Dave and Kevin (there you go Pete!  you can 
tell them they got written in to the file ;^)...  a wonderful time was had by 
all...

THE NEXT DAY...

all the necessary preshow breakfast festivities completed, we headed for the 
show...  took the short cut we found last year, that is really a long cut 
but takes less time...  well, other people found it too...  not such a good 
idea anymore but still cuts of a lot of traffic...  i started hoofing ahead 
of the crawling car, trying to scout out a good, reasoably placed and priced
parking spot...  found Debess and company again, and then heard Tina calling 
me...  they gave up on traffic and parked the car...  went back and jammed 
and partied a little and then walked the mile and a half (did anyone else 
notice that EVERYPLACE had a sign that said "1.5 miles from here!!") up to 
the show...

the scene onthe way in wasnt too bad...  lots of nitrous tanks...  cops 
being pretty mellow, but pedestrian traffic was making it really hard on 
people trying to drive to the gates of the main lot...  too bad cuz it was 
the fact that people couldn't get there ahead of time that contributed 
heavily to the later gate crashing episodes...  loigistically, the place is 
not set up to handle a big crush of people whoall wait til 5 minutes before 
show time to try and get in...

i got my foot stomped onthe way in and it bled all over the place, so like 
last year, i got to visit the med tent...  they were very nice and took good 
care of me, opting not to remove my busted up toenail ("it'll keep the wound 
clean and prevent infection but you may want to see your doctor when you get 
home")  then they gave me a 6 foot tall staff that they took away from 
someone else and let me use it as a crutch of sorts...  thank god for that 
cuz that stick kept me from getting crushed even worse inside...  ever 
notice how people give you extra rom when you have a six fooot stick in your 
hand? :^)

Dylan was GREAT!!!!!!  not much else to say...  that same band from his eMpTV
unplugged show, and they played some electric rockers and some unplugged 
stuff too... we wondered what Bobby would sing though, since Dylan used all 
his material... :^)

the boyz came out with touch and it was so so cuz the first song almost 
always sounds sort of crappy...  Wang Dang answered the question abou Bobby 
and it was good...  Peggy-O was quite nice and El Paso also fiyt the bill 
well...  Ramble was hot and the crowd was digging it big time...  BTW was
pretty and i was impressed that Bobby was going to make it through set one
without any Dylan material... :^)  Loose Lucy was better than some, not as 
good as others...  certainly acceptable and Promised Land rocked us out very 
well...

the first set was very well played overall and my favorite of the two...

Here Comes Sunshine was a great entry into the second set and gave a lot of 
potential to what would come but the second set never came togehter as well 
as it cvould have...  Samba was ok, adn oddly was kind of a high point for 
me in that i've never heard it and enjoyed it before... :^)  the vocals were 
a lot tighter than what i've heard on some tapes and they did a decent job 
    on it...  then there was that song that no one knew and they did a
    horrible job on...  :^)  rolling and tumbling down the old chute if you
    ask me...  lame-o....
    trucking was good, but it ought to be by now...  kind of a 
standard you know?  i started worrying about Jerry then thoguh,,,  he 
seemeed to me to be getting a bit confused, and that would be something kind 
of bore that out...  i think he goes to that to get his shit together again 
after he loses it you know? :^)  He's Gone was a prett good one...  drums 
and space had some really powerful moments that almost blew Ed away... :^)
since it was his first show i thought we'd try to get up where the action is
in front of the board...  we had good spots but once in there there's no 
turning back...  it was prety oppressive...  too much crowding and 
disrespecting of people space...  one guy was bragging to us that he got in 
free when a bunch of them brough the gate down...  then he asked what 
happend to my foot...  "i got trampled when a bunch of assholes brought the 
gate down" i replied...  ashut him up quick and gave him a littl eguilt trip
(very un-da ve-like of me but he deserved a lesson)...  Box was nice and 
Phil lookd like he was having a ball... SOTM was pretty, Jer had his act 
togehter again... Sug Mag was "standard" like truckin and Liberty was, well, 
LIberty...  i dunno bout that one...  just doesn't seem to grab me most of 
the time...

long walk back to the car on crushed toes...  got out ok though...  some 
jerk was trying to drive a truck full of trash out the gate while everyone 
was walking out...  idiot!!!!!!!!!  he's honking his horn like the throng in 
front of him really had someplace to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  it was pretty funny 
though, when the person in front of him who was trying to guide him, guided 
him right into a pole and he had to stay there... :^)

tv news back here was reporting one death...  a heart attack that was 
somehow associated with the gate crash...  some 40 injuries too...  bigest 
crowd in the history of the state...  90,000+ constitiues something like a 
quarter of the populace doesn't it?

away form the concert site people were pretty cool...  in the thick of it 
the crowd metality took over and a lot of otherwise normal people became
flaming dorks...  i think the good outqeighed the bad, but i would be 
a little surprised if we got to go back...  too bad cuz if peopl would just 
relax it would be such a nice place to see the boyz...

better music than last year, but more problems to be sure...  the lak carmi 
people did a great, awesome, fantastic job...  no trouble whatsoever...
wish that carried over to the venue better...

					da ve
23.1189DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbWed Jun 21 1995 13:162
    
    No Giants reviews???  I heard a rumour that the 2nd show was zesty.
23.1190MAIL2::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleWed Jun 21 1995 14:2836
    Ok, here's my very brief Giants review.
    
    Only went to Sunday's show.  Missed Bobby D., however, my friends said
    he was awesome (Love Minus Zero acoustic).
    
    Da boyz only did 6 songs in the first set and they barely cracked 45
    minutes.  Yes, this is a complaint.  Started with an adequate Stranger
    into Bertha with a jumpy beat.  Interesting.  Sound (as usual) sucked
    in the first set.  Couldn't hear Jerry at all.  Bobby did Same Thing
    but it lacked zest.  (Especially after I heard the Allman Bros. do it 2
    weeks ago so well that it almost made me cry!).  Non descript new song
    and one more to close the set.
    
    Sound improved for the 2nd set.  Brand new arrangement for Wharf Rat. 
    Very jazzy and it was the highlight of the show.  Eyes was great, much
    jamming.  Drums/space the usual (not my fav part of the show).  Nice
    Lucy in the Sky w/Diamonds encore.  Much crowd singalong!
    
    The crowd was a stadium crowd.  Many assholes jumping the fence to get
    onto the field, much pushing and shoving.
    
    Now, I think my opinion is a bit jaded because I just saw them in
    Seattle for 2 shows where the crowds are mellow and the shows very
    incredible.  This show was a let down for me. 
    
    Here's hoping Washington DC this weekend is great.
    
    Fredda
    
    PS - Real highlight for me was before the show.  I was at my brother's
    house - for graduation/dad's day party (that's why I missed Bobby). 
    Anyhow I made my grand entrance 2 hours late and left early.  Everyone
    knew I was going the the show and my 14 year old niece begged me to
    take her to a show at some point.  Hum, last year Mariah Carey, this 
    year Jerry Garcia.  Maybe I can influence her to improve her musical 
    taste!  
23.1191ZENDIA::FERGUSONSplit open and Melt!Wed Jun 21 1995 18:026
BTW, thanks to da ve, bruce, and Ed for the entertainment!  deb and i
totoally enjoyed hanging out listening to you guys jam.  pls do send
a message out when ya'll are gigging for real (or otherwise!).


thanks da ve and Krew!
23.1192BINKLY::DEMARSEEnjoy beingWed Jun 21 1995 18:0812
    >> Note 23.1188
    >> ALFA2::DWEST
    >>
    >> Karma...  forgot my list-o-sites that had decheads so i missed jamming 
    >> with Danielle's boyfriend while she danced around the fire... :^)  
    >> i did jam wit
    
    That's ok, da ve.... We had the guitar out when we arrived Wednesday
    night but our neighbor asked us to put it away :-(
    so out of respect we didn't break it out Thursday night either...
    
    /danielle
23.1193unfortunately I'm a light sleeperNOKNOK::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Wed Jun 21 1995 18:174
>    night but our neighbor asked us to put it away :-(

Would that be me?  It wasn't 2 AM, it was 2:30 AM, and I was beat, and needed
to get sleep for the Big Day ahead.
23.1194CXDOCS::BARNESWed Jun 21 1995 18:461
    you wouldn't have gotten *ANY* sleep in Vegas Josh...gar-un-damn-teed
23.1195Sunday Giants review from Newsday QUOIN::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Thu Jun 22 1995 17:0699
Here's a review of the Sunday Giants show, from the NYC Newday newspaper.
A pretty snappy review - I like the comment about Dylan and the Dead being
co-dependant :-), and "Way to Go Home" 'sung horribly' by Vince.

Josh


Article 37801 of rec.music.dylan:
From: mjf@nyc.pipeline.com (Michael Feuerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Giants Stadium 6/18/95 Review from Newsday (long)
Date: 20 Jun 1995 22:25:39 -0400

From the June 20, 1995 issue of Newsday:

Dylan And The Dead, Still Doing It Their Way

Bob Dylan and the Greatful Dead. Titans on the 20-yard line. 
Sunday night at Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.

by Ira Robbins

  He has a complicated message that's too inscrutable to grasp; 
they have nothing to say. He keeps dabbling new paint over a 
fully realized body of work; they've never let their canvases 
dry.
  He can't wait to get off stage; their clock apparently lacks 
a minute hand. He has made a career of keeping his distance; 
they maintain a Krazy Glue bond with their audience. Neither's 
appeal is easily explained to non-fans. Both Bob Dylan dnt the 
Greatful Dead, however, are compelling proof that musical 
artists don't have to pander or compromise, that individuality 
still wields power in the world of rock.
  Other than the injustice of Dylan opening for a band that 
performs his (italics in original) songs, a band that backed 
him (italics in original) on a July, 1987 tour, the two are 
perfect co-dependents for a stadium gig. Along with Neil Young 
(whose music played on the superbly clear P.A. between the 
Dead's sets Sunday), they remain the only embodiments of '60s 
spontaneity, the only important veterans of that rock era who 
still wing it every time.
  Over time, the Dead have turned improvisation into ritual. 
Their nightly invention is strictly organized into an hour-long 
opening set, a long intermission (Sunday's was 40 minutes), an 
extended second set (100 minutes) which invariably includes an 
endless solo (25 minutes) by the band's two drummers, and a 
solitary encore. Into that framework, the sextet places 
material from a vast and familiar repertoire of originals, 
traditionals and '60s covers, investing each selection with the 
patented instrumental doodling of guitarists Jerry Garcia and 
Bob Weir. While it all sounded like the Fillmore East, circa 
1968, the light show was displayed on a synchronized bank of 
video monitors.
  Dylan, on the other hand, never files a flight plan. Other 
than the likelihood that he will play for a shade over an hour, 
what comes out of his bottomless music bag is a mystery until 
it happens, as are his mercurial ideas about how to perform 
even the most familiar numbers. Sunday, in a great set that 
alternately rocked hard and waxed sweetly acoustic, he drew 
from his mid-'60s electric records, bringing out "Ballad of a 
Thin Man" (from "Highway 61 Revisited"), "Obviously 5 
Believers" and "Just Like a Woman" (from "Blonde on Blonde") 
and three from "Bringing It All Back Home." He sang "Mr. 
Tambourine Man" sans (italics in original) guitar, holding the 
microphone and swaying from foot to foot as his increasingly 
essential band brushed the song with gentle strums. If that was 
a visual shock, it was no match for the transformation that 
gave "Gates of Eden" an entirely new chord pattern and melody.
  Besides such fascinating obscurities as "Down in the Flood," 
"I Believe in You" and "Senor (Tales of Yankee Power), Dylan 
cranked "Silvio" (from "Down in the Groove," a 1988 LP that 
employed members of the Dead) into a fast-riffing garage rocker 
and "Seeing the Real You at Last" (from "Empire Burlesque") 
into Stonesy raunch. Beyond the surprises, Dylan brought a 
degree of intensity and artistry rarely seen in shows of this 
scale.
  At the back of the field, Deadheads ignored Dylan to 
concentrate on the important business of Hacky Sack games while 
awaiting the main event. And after an hour's pause--the first 
impatience test by these masters of slow-motion--the Dead 
appeared. Warming up quickly, the band showed far more energy 
and enthusiasm than I recall from a show two years ago. Ten 
minutes of "Feel Like a Stranger" was enough preparation to 
make merry work of "Bertha"; if Garcia's soloing didn't sound 
sure-fingered, Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann crisply pounded 
out the eccentric backbeats. "Stagger Lee" was nearly exciting; 
"Deal" was downright athletic, with Garcia and Weir teaming up 
on the vocals.
  Getting off to a torpid start with "China Cat Sunflower", the 
Dead's return bout added little. "I Know You Rider," "Way to Go 
Home" (sung horribly by keyboard player Vince Welnick but 
capped with a delightful four-part a cappella coda) and "Samson 
and Delilah" kept things moving, but the first set's vigor was 
in short supply. Garcia's solos never got airborne, and the 
show seemed to collapse around the two drummers' electronically 
aided trance excursion. "I Need a Miracle" and a dire "Not Fade 
Away" required the audience's shout-along efforts, leaving an 
impressively accurate encore of "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" 
to end the night on a high (no pun intended) note.
23.1196inscrutable?QUOIN::BELKINone...3...5...7..8..9.10!Thu Jun 22 1995 17:0981
...and here's a review from The New York Times.  I think they've loosened up
a bit.  the NYT used to call the 9-Fingered One "Mr Garcia".

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Article 208480 of rec.music.gdead:
From: CEPX%mimi@magic.itg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Giants review in NYT
Date: 21 Jun 1995 13:18:22 -0500

From: Chris Perkins              CEPX
 
Subj: Giants review in NYT
 
without permission, of course.
 
June 21, 1995 Wednesday
MUSIC REVIEW: DIVINING THE NEXT ACT OF THE STILL-PLAYFUL DEAD
 
By NEIL STRAUSS
 
c.1995 N.Y. Times News Service
 
   NEW YORK - When the psychedelic movement in San Francisco was at its
artistic peak in the 1960s, the Grateful Dead and others tried to turn
music-making back into a folk activity.
 
   At the ``Acid Test'' parties of the writer Ken Kesey, the line between
performer and audience was erased, and both were on equal footing in one
free-wheeling community.
 
   But as the years wore on, optimism faded and psychedelic musicians
became rock stars, the Grateful Dead soon rose to a top position in the
community and a hierarchy took shape.
 
   Today, the Dead are neither part of nor leaders of the Deadheads they
play to; they are simply the axis around which that community revolves.
 
   At the Grateful Dead concert Monday night at Giants Stadium in East
Rutherford, N.J., (the second of two consecutive shows there with Bob
Dylan as an opening act), the band was inscrutable, moving as little as
possible on stage and speaking not a word to the audience.
 
   The excitement came from never knowing what song the band was going to
perform next, the possibility that a member was going to talk or make an
uncharacteristic movement, the hope that the group would uncover a new
song and the thrill of watching it make mistakes and false starts.
 
   The stage was like a living room of the gods; the audience members were
privileged voyeurs in search of the perfect show.
 
   Monday's concert, the last stadium show scheduled in the New York area
this year, was not the Holy Grail of Dead shows. But it was a good one.
 
   By the time the band was three songs into the 19-song concert, it was
already warmed up, with the guitarist and singer Jerry Garcia grinning
away during ``Ramble On Rose,'' Vince Welnick getting silly and jazzy on
the keyboards during the Valentinos' ``It's All Over Now,'' and the whole
band showing its sense of humor during a rollicking version of ``Iko
Iko.''
 
   Although Garcia's guitar seemed to konk out on him during the second
set, the interplay between his protean, fluid improvising and Bob Weir's
hard guitar muscle added depth and complexity to the band's roots-music
jams in the first half of the concert.
 
   Bob Dylan doesn't seem to have helped ticket sales much; the band was
4,000 tickets short of selling out the 55,000 seats in the stadium.
 
   Although Dylan has been in top form lately, performing with a new
clarity and sense of showmanship, he was practically ignored by the
partially empty stadium until his encore, ``Rainy Day Women No. 12 and
35,'' for which the crowd rose gleefully to sing along with its chorus,
``Everybody must get stoned.''
 
   Unfortunately, not everybody who got stoned made it home after the
concert. New Jersey state police reported 20 arrests outside of Monday's
concert and 29 outside of Sunday's. Of those, 29 were for possession of
nitrous oxide, or laughing gas.


23.1197SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Fri Jun 23 1995 11:4213
So were there problems in Albany on Wed eve?  I heard the radio jock on
cRock-101 say something to the effect of:  Scratch that proposed Dead show
in Concord since the police are worried that the same thing that happened
in Albany on Wed eve could happen there....3 "deadheads" attacked a police
officer....

???

Geez and I was worried they'd have heard about what went down in Highgate.

bob


23.1198SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Fri Jun 23 1995 18:044
Anybody seen last nights list yet?  

bob

23.12006/22/95 - from the 'netNECSC::LEVYHalf-Step Mississippi Uptown ToodleooFri Jun 23 1995 18:2482
From: "D. Scott Allan" <David.S.Allan@williams.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 6/22/95 Albany
Date: 23 Jun 1995 05:15:23 GMT
Organization: Berkeley dead-flames to USENET Gateway
Message-ID: <3sdilb$4fm@agate.berkeley.edu>

Set 1:

Touch

Walkin' Blues

It Must Have Been the Roses

Masterpiece (acoustic Bobby)

So Many Roads

Music Never Stopped



Set 2:

Help->

Slipknot!->

Franklin's

Samba

Estimated->

Terrapin->

Drums (w/Jerry for most of it)->

Space->

Watchtower->

Black Peter->

Around



E: IFTL





Another good one at the Knick. I think I like that place! Touch

started off well, but fell apart at the first "lesson to me" bridge,

and a sloppy solo only made things worse. A solid Walkin' Blues picked

things up, though. Then, a Roses even more notable for its beauty and

clarity than for its rarity lifted the set to another level, and it

didn't let up. A raucous Masterpiece got the crowd up and singing. So

Many Roads was yet another tremendous version. Jerry took things from

a frenzy to quiet and back again with the closing vocals, and then did

an excellent jam before closing with some more heartfelt refrains.

Wow! Music was solid, as usual, and it provided a nice cap to a short,

but strong, first set.

 Set 2 was longer (2 hours +/- a minute or so, not including the

encore), and very, very good. The opening Help was tight and bouncy,

leading into a long, well-explored Slipknot! Franklin's was huge! At

nearly 18 minutes, it was one of the longest I know of, and quality

definitely matched quantity in this case. Samba took the momentum away

from the set though, not just because it was Samba, but because it was

disjointed and underpowered. No problem, though, as Bobby delivered an

excellent Estimated. The closing jam was very interesting, and Jerry

started dropping little hints at Terrapin, gradually growing less and

less subtle before blooming into the intro to a majestic reading of

the song. The closing jam was thunderous, and it seemed as though

Jerry was trying to steer it into yet another song (they'd been

playing for well over an hour at this point!!!), when Bobby quickly

left the stage, soon followed by Phil and Vince. Jerry, however,

stayed onstage, facing his equipment rack, for the vast majority of

the Drums session, playing MIDI DRUMS on his guitar! Drums were very

loud and generally impressive. Bobby came out first, and he, Phil, and

Vince soon cohered into a crazed, raunchy jam with some hard-edged

bluesy chords from Bobby. It was incredibly loud and dissonant, yet

also extremely together. Definitely one of those Spaces that really

gels. Jerry came out, and some quieter weirdness ensued, leading into

a creepy intro into a slow, spooky Watchtower. Jerry's solos between

the verses reminded me a bit of Morrisey's "Big Mouth". A very

interesting, effective version, the ending of which spiraled nicely

into a great Black Peter. Jerry sang passionately, and Bobby played

some nice slide throughout. The closing jam was powerful, and it

landed squarely at the intro to Around & Around. Phil was all over the

place during the instrumental break. Lots of fun! That Rolling Stone

critic that Mitch Goldman quoted a while back would have needed to

bring utensils with which to eat his words had he attended this show.

Worst coverers of Chuck Berry...whatever!!! Even I Fought the Law was

good. It seems to work better as a once-or-twice a tour encore. It's

not a bad song at all, really.

    Now, it's time to go to RFK. I hope Bruce really shows up, and I

hope he brings his piano. Still plenty of good stuff that has not yet

been played this tour (UJB, Days Between, Shakedown, etc), and Dylan

will be opening again as well. Let's hope they keep this momentum

going!

----Scott

 

23.1201SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Fri Jun 23 1995 19:366
Thanks Adam and Dave!

Looks like it was fun....

bob

23.1202DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbMon Jun 26 1995 14:0737
    
    The Albany showz were the best I've seen in 5 or so years.  The attack
    on the police officer was found to be mainly done by a couple Albany 
    locals...Many Deadheads were going up to the cops on Thursday and helping 
    to maintain a good relationship.  
    
    The first set on Wednesday night was good.  I had good floor seats
    next the taping section.  Take me to the River and Promised Land were 
    highlights.   
    
    Jerry was out on stage for the whole break screwing around with his 
    guitar.  When the lights went out, he threw the guitar from off his 
    neck and went backstage while the rest of the band came out, and waited 
    a very long time for Jerry.  As Jerry came back to the stage, the 
    crowd went bezerk as Vince, Phil and Bob played this Elvis song.  
    Classic.
    
    Second set was an almost non-stop rage.  A sweet, 1/2 hour Scarlet->Fire 
    blew the place apart.  As a result of Jerry's envelope filter needing
    adjustment, the rest of the band errupted into this amazing Fire jam that 
    seemed to last forever, and I wouldn't have minded if it did.  On the 
    third verse, Jerry started Fire all over again, and it just went on and 
    on.  I've never heard the band play like that.   I'd say most everyone in 
    the joint got *IT* by then.  After the tapers wiped the condensation off
    their equipment, Bobby jammed out Women which was warm and welcoming.
    Vince's All too Much was excellent.  The hammond organ sound was
    trippy as hell, the Supplication jam was HOT!!!!  So hot, I thought for
    sure that Lazy Lightning came through a couple times.
    
    I danced for drums and sat and sweated for space....Easy Answers was
    sort of farted out, then a smokin, lyrically correct, tri-climax
    Morning Dew blew me away, so much in fact, that I can't remember US
    Blues.  I'd give this show a B+ to an A- as well as the Thursday night 
    which I don't have time to write about right now.  Boston is going to
    be SMOKING this year!!!
          
    
23.1203CXDOCS::BARNESMon Jun 26 1995 14:202
    tapes of albany available????
    rfb
23.1204Who made the world? God and the CopsCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKMon Jun 26 1995 14:4910
    albany, much like the garden from last year re-instilled my faith in
    this group of old geezers......the slipknot jam night 2 was killer
    the second set both nights raged hard......
    as for the cops, i rapped with a mounted dude fer a bit and told him
    we like them as a police force.....
    he said, " we like you as concert goers."
    kinda made my day a little brighter
    as for jackasses breaking down gates and fighting with cops..when the
    boys no longer can play in the contiguous US..we have no one but
    ourselves to blame for letting crap like this go on
23.1205Highgate '95STOWOA::JOLLIMOREBack from the DeadWed Jun 28 1995 17:4790
Highgate -   Roz, Reilly, DC and me.
        
    Although it was raining as I was packing up the truck, I knew this was
gonna be a grate trip.
    We left on time, got to Roz's house and SHE WAS ON TIME TOO!! We hit the
road at 1:05p and after a smooth ride of around 5 hours, we arrived at Lake
Carmi.
    Afer unpacking and setting up tents, we decided to park cars to make room
for the rest of the site. A good idea gone bad as DC ended up stuck in the
mud. We waited for Chris & Co to arrive and mustered some muscle to unstuck
DC's car. After a quick trip to the carwash, we were back on track for a
flawless weekend.
    After a bit of chow, we wandered over to the bonfire, which had none of
last years' excitement, then headed back to site 29 for a nitecap and good
nite's rest. I was up bright and early the next morning. The day was slightly
overcast in contrast to the day before which was bright and clear. It turned
out to be a blessing as it would've been way too hot otherwise.
    We ate and drank and planned our attack route to the show. Young Mr
LeBlanc correctly summized that the best route was east -> north and into
Highgate Village. Once we got to Rte 78 traffic was at a stop, so we decided
to park where we were and hike down 78 to the show. 2 miles, tops, we thought.
It turned out slightly more as each parking lot we passed touted: "1 mile to
the show" and we passed at least 4 of them. At one of them we stopped to talk
with da ve, Bruce Mandaro, Pete Kibling and I got to me GerryG! 
    Upon arriving on the scene we quickly agreed that there seemed to be a lot
more people than last year. It just seemed that way.
    The vending scene was excellent and we wandered around a little checking
out the goods. I bought a hat since I stupidly left all mine at home, and the
firefighter in the center of town refused to sell his to me (he was collecting
for some charity and I offered him $10 for his hat, which was no big deal,
just a blue cap with white letters on it: HVFD).
    It was getting hot so we sought out shade near the entrance to the show.
We watch the zoo pass by, debating whether the 6:00pm on the ticket mean't the
gates open at 6 or the show starts at 6. I guessed the latter, but was
outnumbered and the consensus was we should wait to go in. Around 6 I pointed
out that Dylan has just started only to be told that a radio was playing which
I had not heard until then, but it had been playing all along. Right. We
missed the first 1 1/2 songs. Pout. We did manage to get thru the gates in
record time, tho and not by crashing the fence either.
    Watchin/listening to Dylan was a treat for me. DC was in heaven and wished
for a pen to right the setlist down. He seemed to know all the songs, I knew
about half of them. The band sounded really tight, and contrary to rumors I
understood Dylan's lyrics. My only complaint was that the set ended to soon
amd seemed way too short. But, he wasn't the reason we all were there.
    After the Dylan set we wandered around to see hwo we'd run into. I found
some friends from Groton, but that was about it. We did find Chris & Co and
ended up sitting with them about 1/2 way back, dead center. Good spot to
lsiten and dance from and Roz and I were dancing the whole show! TOG was a
disappointing start. Not only were the lyrics missed, but it's not high on my
list of fave show openers. Wnag Dang *is* one of my faves tho, and that came
off very well. Peggy-O, El Paso and Ramble sounded very nice and were very
danceable!! BTW had been runnin thru my head all day (don't know why) and I
was pleased to hear that. Loose Lucy most always sounds good and promised land
was an ok set ender.
    Sunshine was a lame opener IMO, and miscued lyrics made it much worse. I
did think the rest of the set was ok tho, and for me it didn't go downhill at
all. I like Samba, even Truckin, I thought, was well done. Rollin' and
Tumblin' threw me but That Would Be Something was on my wishlist. It too had
been runnin 'round my brain most of the day. He's gone was well played (by my
ears) D/S was so-so (I'm a BIG drums fan!). BoR is always nice but SotM just
never does it for me. Then, we danced our way to the exit during Liberty
making the gate just as the song ended. A good show, but not a grate one.
    The walk back to the truck was tiring. It was almost all uphill, and after
dancing the whole show my legs were hurting. But we pressed on at a military
pace and arrived at the truck where cold beers and snacks awaited. After
chatting with a local for a bit ("we could hear just fine from here, we even
could make out some of the words.") we took the same route back, avoiding all
the traffic and making it back to Carmi by around 1:00. A stark contrast to
last year, where we sat in traffic until after 5:00am.
    The next day dawned crystal clear and beautiful. We all were up for
another show. It just seemed like there should've been more than one. But,
sigh. So after eating and consuming several cups of coffee we decided to pack
it up and hit the road. After packing we went down to the water with offerings
of tobacco and sweetgrass to say a little prayer of thanks by the water. After
thanking all the beings that contributed to a grate 2 days I left the little
bit of tobacco and sweetgrass on a fallen cedar tree that I was standing on in
the water. While looking at the texture of the tree and admiring it's beauty,
I silently wished to a wlking stick to take back with me. As I turned back
towards the shore stepping off the tree, there flaoting in the water was a 6
foot staff. It originally appeared to be s discarded hiking stick and it was
beautiful: stripped of it's bark it revealed many colors including little
stripes of red and purple (I still don't know what kind of wood it is). After
closer examination it was evident that this staff was not made by the hands of
man. It was not a discarded hiking stick at all. It was from a beaver's den.
You could clearly see the teeth marks on both ends and could see where the
bark had been eaten off the entire length of the stick. It's a beautiful poece
that I will treasure always as a gift.
    With that we drove off as very happy campers. We drove the scenic route
back taking about 6 1/2 hours. A wonderful trip! I'll do it again next year if
"they" will.  Smiles!
23.1206FWD: Deer Creek disasterROCK::FROMMThis space intentionally left blank.Wed Jul 05 1995 14:3472
Mike Charnoky asked me to post this to Grateful.  'tis a sad tale indeed...

- rich
--

I had been looking forward to this 4th of July weekend for a long time now.
Finally, a chance to see the Dead close to home in a peaceful and 
out-of-the way setting, Deer Creek.  

Highgate, the last show I attended, really made me stop and think if it was
worth the effort to go anymore.  The gate crashers really ruined the
spirit of the whole event; too many bad vibes.  This is the Grateful Dead, 
not some heavy meatal thrash band!  Whatever happened to peace and kindness?
Do people that go to the shows really listen to the words in the music?  
Whatever the case, Highgate now joins the ranks of venues lost.

Still, I had high hopes for Deer Creek.  Then there were the mobs police 
stopping and searching people; talk about scary!  I just want to see Jerry,
please leave me in peace!  Come showtime, the crowd barely trickled into
the amphitheatre, due to the massive search efforts at the gates with metal
detectors.  Who brings guns into a Dead show?  Later, halfway through
the first set, screams and shouts erupted while Bobby tried to sing Desolation
Row.  My attention was directed to the back of the lawn, where people were
scaling every inch of the wooden plank fence and celebrating that they had 
made it in.  My heart just sank.  All I could think was, "Oh no, not antother
Highgate.  Please don't ruin it for the rest of us."

Eventually, things calmed down, and the band played on.  Quite a good show,
as a matter of fact.  I was pleased!  But to see the mass destruction
afterword was sobering.  Half of the fence was just torn apart.  Mind you,
this was a REAL fence that took some serious effort to build, not a four-
foot high plastic mesh staked into the ground.

Upon walking outside the amphitheatre, I saw (in my estimate) nearly 200
police cruisers and cops surrounding the hill behind the infamous fence.  It
looked like an army from a scene out of a war movie, something fantasy that 
one never expects to see in real life.  But there they were.  

Next came the reports from the people who were outside at the time of the
riot.  Apparently, huge mobs were throwing bottles and rocks at the police
as they stormed the venue.  There were reports that dogs were let loose and 
many people were carried away in ambulances.  Utter chaos.

Eventually, my friend and I made it back to her truck and met up with some
of her 'friends.'  The stories they told really pissed me off.  They were part
of the thoughtless selfish mob.  They were the ones fighting their way in.
They were the ones who didn't give a damn what happened, as long as they made
it into the show.  Then came the jokes about, "Oh look at how I was scratched
up from the police pushing me down the hill.  I should sue, haha."  All I 
could do was sit there, fuming.  I wasn't going to rile these crazy bastards
up any further, especially since I had to camp with them.

Now I know who these people are.  They are the ones who have no jobs,
contributing nothing to society and expecting the world to hand them everthing
on a silver platter.  These are the drug fiends who will do anything to scam 
another nitrous balloon or a hit off somebody's pipe, getting wasted every
hour of every day, seven days a week.  No sense of right and wrong.  No
moral obligations.  

People with this mentality are flooding the scene.  They caused the second
night at Deer Creek to be cancelled, and I'm sure the management does not 
want the Dead to ever return.  They caused honest ticketholders, like me,
to turn tail and head home, for resons beyond our control.

I was planning on going to Boston gardens in the fall, but I'm getting very
weary.  It's all gotten out of hand.  If I were the Dead, I'd stop touring.  
I wouldn't want to be a part of the chaos and anarchy.
  
-- 
Mike Charnoky 
University of Cincinnati
mcharnok@ddt.eng.uc.edu
23.1207DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbWed Jul 05 1995 15:1011
  
    That article should be on the internet.
                
    Look's like all insecure, outdoor venues are off limits for a while.   
             
    If I were in the band, I would stop touring.  Luckily, too many
    peoples lives rely on the Dead tour and this will not happen.
    
    Perhaps it's time to broadcast every show on FM around the site of the
    show.  Do ya'll think this would help????
    
23.1208AWECIM::RUSSOclaimin!Wed Jul 05 1995 15:298
    
    Dean,
    
    No, I don't think that broadcasting the shows loaclly on FM would help,
    because the fools who create this problem aren't concerned about the
    music, they are concerned about "being at the event."
    
    Dave
23.1209More spewCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKWed Jul 05 1995 15:5423
    personally i would be into that more
    not tripping over some slobbering fool whacked on gas on the way in....
    not being cavity searched by some goon on the way in....
    not being asked by grade schoolers on the way in if i have any "hits for 
    sale" ........DO  I LOOK LIKE I DEAL ACID?
    not having some tool screaming in my ear the whole show/fighting to
    take a leak/get water etc
    i could sit in my lazyboy in the living room or dance around the room
    in peace... and not have to worry about "TAKING MY SEAT!" or "PUTTING OUT
    THAT CIGARETTE!" 
    ....do it, kill the scene and then start up after a hiatus
    deane'o and i talked about this this past weekend
    do we need to start policing ourselves more heavily as a community?
    should the responsibility fall on our heads?
    as for the mob mentality......it has always been an "US against THEM"
    mentality..and when the heads see cops getting antsy they just put fuel
    on the fire....the cops that flooded that scene had every goddman right
    to..more power to them
    you want to *REALLY* freak them out?
    try giving them a soda or shake their hand....the vermont state trooper
    i swung my mountain dew to was dumbfounded.... his jaw hit the floor
    when i handed it to him saying.."NO!!!! it doesn't have anything in it"
    :^)                                                       
23.1210And you DEFINITELY look like a PhiSH headSALEM::MARTIN_SPerpetual Smile...Wed Jul 05 1995 16:517
    
    
  > ......DO  I LOOK LIKE I DEAL ACID?
    
    
    Ummmmmmmmmm.
    
23.1211DELNI::DSMITHWe've got mountains to climbWed Jul 05 1995 17:2611
    
    The band should continue to cancel shows as needed....definitely gets 
    the point across....and then some.  
                                           
    Definitely up to the Deadheads to stir public awareness and not
    encourage such behavior.  I hope that by the time Boston rolls around,
    if people are seen crashing gates, they'll be discouraged by the
    crowd as opposed to being encouraged.  At Highgate as the twirps were 
    jumping in, the crowd was responded positively when they really should 
    have boo'd.  The brats will be more responsive to a wall of Deadheads 
    than to a wall of security/police.
23.1212AWECIM::RUSSOclaimin!Wed Jul 05 1995 19:318
    
    >>The brats will be more responsive to a wall of Deadheads
    >>than to a wall of security/police.
    
    Actually, I don't think they are responsive to anything at all.....
    inconsideration plays no favorites.....
    
    Hogan
23.1213MAIL2::TURNOFGreetings from the Big AppleMon Jul 10 1995 18:4333
    A little more Deer Creek perspective...
    
    A couple of real good friends went out to those shows as they have been
    for a few years now.  She said that it is (was) the best place for a
    show.  20 thousand people, mellow scene etc, etc.
    
    The day of the first show they went over late, but heard from others
    that the parking lots had been open since noon and that people weren't
    checked for tickets before they were let into the lots.  They said it
    was obvious that too many people were there.  Then the gates didn't
    open til 6PM for a 7PM show.  They were on the lawn and did see some
    people come over the fence, but it didn't appear that it was the
    thousands reported.  She said that the police approximateded that 
    50 thousand people were at the facility and 20 thousand tickets were sold. 
    Scalpers were gettilng $150 for tickets and demand was unusally high
    due to the facility being so great.  Another contributing factor was
    the 4th of July weekend -- many, many people not working, schools are
    out, etc.
    
    My friends are sooo upset by this whole affair, another ruined
    facility, assholes acting like assholes and a wholesale change of
    scene.
    
    Personally, the Washington DC inside scene was revolting.  People just
    were jumping right on top of us (we were sitting in the first row) and
    our personal belongings to get onto the field.  If this is what people
    think the "scene" is about then it's definitely time to read up on the
    "history".  It's about caring, not pushing people aside so they can
    stand at Jerry's feet.
    
    Enough ranting...
    
    Fredda
23.1214GRANPA::TDAVISMon Jul 10 1995 19:506
    As a RFK'er I agree it was awful, the Parking lot opened at 
    10:00am, I never saw Nitros sold so openly , tanks lined up
    like a part of vending, all kinds of scaming going on, I remarked
    to my Wife, this is getting out of control, once again people in front
    of us puking their guts out, maybe I am getting old, but this could
    have been my last stadium show, I fear what will next year bring.
23.1215CXDOCS::BARNESMon Jul 10 1995 19:544
    ya know, I"VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE puking a a dead show (except me later
    on that nite). There's a large amout of drinking goin on too, as hot as
    it is out here....sad that this year has been so bad....
    rfb
23.1216ZENDIA::FERGUSONSplit open and Melt!Wed Jul 19 1995 20:322
i saw someone YAK at albany.
sick.