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This from the Sunday, 27 January Image magazine (supplement to the 
San Francisco Sunday Examiner & Chronicle) -- reprinted without permission.
 
Night of the Living Dead
The past isn't dead if you can dance to it.
by Gary Kamiya
(complete with photo of the boys & Branford on NYE -- but the negative was
flipped!)
 
 
     Did the '60s really happen?  Or were they just a strange dream, a decade-
long mass cultural hallucination?
     The decade of the "counterculture" is not faring well right now.  Its
political agenda, insofar as it had one, has been utterly defeated; its 
spiritual treasury, never as rich in metaphysical insights as advertised, has
long been depleted.  Even worse than denunciation is the trivialization: The 
whole period threatens to become just another nostalgia act, a historical 
fashion show inhabited by extras from a _Mod_Squad_ episode.
     There doesn't appear to be much left of the '60s.  But there is one small,
strange corner of society where the freak flag waves as high as it ever did.
I'm talking about the cult of the Grateful Dead.
     It's a strange phenomenon.  Perhaps for the first time in human history,
an entire subculture continues to exist only because of a rock band.
     This is weird.  It's as if thousands of beret-wearing existentialists 
spent the entire 1950s driving around in dilapidated Citroens following Jean-
Paul Sartre's lecture itinerary.
     I never joined up.  I grew up in Berkeley in the '60s and was even what 
you could very loosely call a "freak," but somehow I never saw the Dead play.
In the last few years I became curious -- what were all these time-warped kids
in their dress-issue tie-dyes doing? -- but I still avoided the experience.
     Perhaps it was the fanatical conviction of the Deadheads that made me
suspicious.  The hushed tones with which they discussed the group, the maniacal
I-counted-all-the-words-in-the-Bible zest with which they cataloged every note
ever played by Jerry Garcia, reminded me a little too much of young Wagnerians
at Bayreuth.
     Nor did my (extremely limited) knowledge of the Dead's music raise great
expectations.  They were famous for never making good records, and I had to
concur: What I heard sounded like sloppy doper songs with odd, piercing guitar
solos, creaky vocals of dubious intonation, and occasional insane bursts of
improvisational intensity.  Theirs seemed to be a music of boring revelation: 
too "inspired" to hit the groove.  I put them down as a funky, original but not
particularly impressive band of hippies, a group that owed its success to
sociological factors, just like punk groups.  Without articulating it, I 
suspected that they represented the worst qualities of the hippie ethos: 
indulgence, smugness, insularity.
     But in late December, at long last, I gave in and went to see them.  I 
had an odd experience driving into the parking lot of the Oakland Coliseum.
Filled with parking hubris, I decided to drive all the way down an aisle 
towards the front.  I soon realized I had made a terrible mistake.  For by
imperceptible degrees my car had become surrounded by a vast throng of musical
pilgrims meandering towards the Grail.  The strange thing was, none of them
made any effort to move out of the way.  They drifted slowly to and fro like
swaying underwater plants, utterly ignoring the fossil-fuel guzzler that had
invaded their bazaar.
     It was the Middle Ages.  I was in the goldsmiths' quarter, somewhere deep
in the labyrinth of the medina in Fez, Morocco.  This experience did nothing
to dispel my aesthetic apprehensions.
 
     Well, I was wrong.  By the end of the show, I was repeating to myself in
dazed delight a strange and wonderful piece of news: _The_Grateful_Dead_are_
a_great_rock'n'roll_band.  They are playing some of the best music around:
deep-dish, soulful, completely their own and yet utterly in the grain of
American music.  Only the Band, among modern rock groups, played with this
authority.
     Hold on, there.  I am in full and unaltered possession of my faculties.
And I no longer believe that the CIA is watching me through my TV set.
     The Dead are quite simply one of the strongest, most creative, versatile
and sophistocated rock groups playing today.  Period.  No appeals to mystical
experiences, born-again-hippie revelations or communitarian virtues are
necessary.  We're talking about music.  That music may be surrounded by a 
cloud of counter-cultural mystification.  It doesn't matter.  All those
Deadheads are onto something.
     "Strong" is not a word one associates with the Dead, and neither is
"sophistocated."  But they are the right words.  Sure, there are wavering
moments, strange in-between rhythms, missed directions.  But those come with
the territory.  For the Dead have remained true to their improvisational,
spontaneous style.  Their music is exploratory.  They take risks, and sometimes
they fail.  But they have the musicianship and the experience -- 27 years of
experience! -- to pull off most of their forays into the unknown.  They've been
together so long they can read each others' minds.
     But don't take my word for it -- take that of Branford Marsalis, who 
joined them on New Year's Eve.  The opinion of the man who's probably the best
young tenor player in the country carries a certain amount of weight.
     The Dead sound starts, of course, with Jerry Garcia, the now-grandfatherly
Pied Piper to several generations of transcendentally befuddled souls.  Garcia
is an original.  Rock guitarists are notorious riffers, a herd of sheep playing
B.B. King licks at double-time.  But Garcia plays almost riff-free, firing off
stinging runs which have a marvelous internal melodic logic.  The strong play
of bassist Phil Lesh didn't surprise.  What did was the work of rhythm 
guitarist Bob Weir.  Weir is a master rhythm player: complex, accurate, mean.
He _kicks_ that band the way Keith Richards used to kick the Stones.
     The Dead have their weaknesses, but they're the result of their strengths.
The band in general, and Garcia in particular, is so given to quirky, low-level
climaxes, to endless musical epiphanies, that it often eschews conventional
grooves.  At these times its sound becomes attenuated; it can be too jumpily
original for its own good.  But in today's music scene, where creativity 
consists in turning up the bass on the drum machine, this handmade aesthetic is
like a whole sky full of fresh air.
     Meanwhile, the world is catching up with the Dead.  They are one of the 
most successful groups in rock history (check out a copy of that freak's bible,
_Forbes_), and their success is not just built on aging hippies.  Their 
followers have become increasingly eclectic.  In the last few years, hordes of
young people have joined up.
     There's something profoundly satisfying about the Dead's achievement.
They are one of the only "through lines" in American culture, a living link 
with a past generation and a once-exuberantly alive culture.  Their thriving 
is a tribute, above all, to perseverance, that great Puritan virtue.  By some
priceless irony, the princes of acidhead anarchy, who remained true to their
multicolored lights, have become an American institution, a musical legend.
And they've earned it.
 
     In the end, the Grateful Dead's success says something about the '60s
themselves.  That era was, in many ways, a gigantic fraud -- a bunch of
half-grown-up kids playing at rebellion until the teacher rang the bell and it
got dark outside.  It was an age that was driven by an unholy passion for 
spiritual climaxes, and this was its undoing.  "Not the intensity but the
duration of high thoughts makes high men," said Nietzsche, and the '60s had 
no staying power.  When the decade was over, it left a generation not so much
enlightened as afflicted by a permanent condition of spiritual _nostalgia_.
It was as if it had seen an angel flying over the rooftops one day in 1969 and
were still waiting for it to return.
     But there was something alive in there, too, something in that commitment
to freedom, to improvisation, to new forms.  The Dead, in their small way, 
prove it.  They're a bunch of 50-year-old men playing their behinds off, making
free, joyous, original, deeply American music.  They're rocking it.  And the
past isn't dead of you can dance to it.
 
 
 
 
Shelly Culbertson
shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU
(707) 443-1172

    Well,.. we really know you type sthat in because she quoted Nietsche
    (sp?) in ther Mikey :-) 8*}
    
    							/
    

Hey, Fog,

Thanks for typing in that article.  I almost through out my Image
section without looking...something else for my ever-growing scrapbooks.

8->!!

peace,
t!ng

re < Note 33.1 by SPICE::PECKAR "More or less in line" >

> -- a bunch of
>half-grown-up kids playing at rebellion until the teacher rang the bell and it
>got dark outside.  

Eeyikes ... I just got the shivers.  Powerful sentence ....

Thanks for posting that, Fog ... think I'll print out a copy for my mom.  I'm
gonna make a convert of her yet.  ;^)

- Dave

Thanks just the same, but I didn't type it in; it was forwarded to me via Email
from this person whom I credited at the end of the article...
 
Shelly Culbertson
shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU
(707) 443-1172


Fog

> -- a bunch of
>half-grown-up kids playing at rebellion until the teacher rang the bell and it
>got dark outside.  
    
    You mean, until they shot all the leaders?

Re: .7

>> -- a bunch of
>>half-grown-up kids playing at rebellion until the teacher rang the bell and it
>>got dark outside.  
>    
>    You mean, until they shot all the leaders?

	I thought the whole point was that one didn't need leaders---personal 
empowerment, and all that.

Mark

On the plane home from San Fran last night the guy next to me was reading the 
latest issue of a magazine which I believe was called Keyboard.  On the cover 
was a picture of a skeleton playing keys and the title "Playing Keyboards for 
the Grateful Dead" or something like that.  I sort of was reading over the 
guys shoulder a little and it looked like a good article - somewhat lengthy 
interviews with Tom Constenten (sp?), Vince, R. Barlow, and Bruce along with 
some nice pictures and words about Pigpen and Brent.  Unfortunately I fell 
asleep while he was reading and didn't wake up until we got in so I never got 
to borrow it from him  :^(

Scott

>latest issue of a magazine which I believe was called Keyboard.  On the cover 
>was a picture of a skeleton playing keys and the title "Playing Keyboards for 

	Gee, I'm confused.  Dylan sez that it should be

	"the harmonica plays the skeleton keys in the rain"

	Wheres the harp?  ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

    A co-worker just loaned me a copy of that issue of Keyboard. It's the
    March '91 issue. I just copied the article so if anyone wants a copy
    send me mail and I'll get one to you. I haven't read it all but it's a
    very good interview with Vince, it shows some of his backstage midi
    equipment, and has articles about all the other keyboard players,
    including TC and Merl.
    
    Scott
    

Anybody read the Garcia/Elvis Costello interview in the March issue of
Musician?





Jim

    yes
    
    
    rich

    There was a teaser on the tube last night about "getting to know the
    real Jerry Garcia..."  I didn't catch the name of the show, but, for
    those who live in the Bay Area, it'll be on Channel 4 next Tuesday at
    10:00....pm?

      Last night (Thurs. 2/21), Lyle Lovett was on David Letterman and he
    sang "Friend of the Devil" to promote the new Dead covers album.  He
    sang it very slow with serious feeling... They didn't say when the
    album comes out, but they did say it is a rainforest benefit deal...
    
          DaveB.

Hello all!

A friend sent me this bit-o-news......hope it works out!

Dan
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Subject: Albany may turn garages into motels for visiting 'Deadheads'
Date: 23 Feb 91 19:49:09 GMT
 
 
	ALBANY, N.Y. (UPI) -- The city of Albany may have come up with a plan
to deal both with shrinking income at two public parking garages and
with thousands of visiting ``Deadheads'': turn the garages into make-
shift motels.
	City Parking Authority Director Leonard Fox has proposed charging
fans of the legendary rock group the Grateful Dead $15 per night or $45
for three nights' accomodations when the band comes to town for three
performances next month.
	The group has a following of thousands who travel to each city the
band visits, often camping out in parking lots, public parks or anywhere
else they can find.
	``They're here, you might as well accomodate them,'' Fox said. 
``They're sleeping everywhere else.''
	When the Grateful Dead first came to Albany last year, the city drew
praise from the band and its fans for allowing the Deadheads to camp in
the Corning Preserve, a public park near the Knickerbocker Arena, the
site of the concerts.
	This year, the city seems to desire not only to accomodate its tie-
dyed visitors safely and peacefully, but to make a few bucks off them as
well.
	Fox said since several major companies in the city have opened
private parking garages for their employees, the public garages have
lost thousands of dollars in income.
	The authority has just $3,000 left in its general account, and is
short $22,000 on a mortgage payment for one garage and owes $10,000 it
was supposed to pay last month, according to Linda Rudnic, the
authority's bookeeper.
	``To put it simply, we have a serious cash problem,'' Rudnic said.
	Fox acknowleged the city would have to provide toilets and security
guards if the Deadheads are to stay in the garages, but added the fans
have shown they're not turned off by the idea of a night in a concrete
motel. Last year, although sleeping in the garages was forbidden, some
Deadheads simply hid in their vehicles until the garages were locked up
for the night, he said.

  They make money, keep us off the streets and contained in a concrete bunker 
and help us find inexpensive and safe accomodations to congregate.

  john  who_would_rather_pay_more_and_not_sleep_on_concrete_but_would_like_the
        _party

I like the attitude of the people up there.  Yeah, they're making a few
bucks off us, but they're also not slamming doors in our faces or telling
us to get lost.  Would be nice if other cities had their attitude.




Jim

    I like the attitude of the people up there.  Yeah, they're making a few
    bucks off us, but they're also not slamming doors in our faces or
    telling us to get lost.  Would be nice if other cities had their attitude.
    
    I agree about Albany's attitude. If more venues took this approach I'm
    sure some of the congestion and crowd hassles would disappear.

    If that's $15/person, they're not going to find many takers. Maybe
    it'll work at $15/car, though. The arena security and the local police 
    were getting along fine with the deadheads last thursday. We hung out in
    the parking lot until 2:00am before we tried to find a less crowded
    outlet. Last year's run sure musta pumped some bux into the local economy 
    to warrant that kind of treatment. Even though I think the price is high, 
    I think they're on the right track by charging for camping rather than 
    banning it like other cities.
    
    							Gerry

Albany is Alright!  I sure hope I get to hear a Shakedown while I'm there.  
Albany's business people are smart.  They realize the potential gains and 
make the situation a good one.  Three cheers to Albany, NY...

Perhaps Boston and Worcester should host the boys this Spring, Summer, Fall
and winter.  Pump some cash into the battered economy!

JC

I guess the good vibes from last year's shows paid off!

This kind of rational thinking is too good to be true!

adam

On March 9th at 10pm there is an evening with the Grateful Dead being 
presented on Channel 11(PBS) out of Manchester, NH

Geoff

    
    I think thats a very intelligent approach for Albany to take.
    
    We don't require much... just a place to sleep and somewhere to relieve
    ourselves and music, music, music.
    
    I hope this signals a turnaround in the way we've been treated for so
    long.
    
    mary

	That is a great idea .. a benefit to all those around.
	Like the rest of you said, it'd be nice if the general
	attitude and intelligent approach could be a model for
	other cities the Dead play.

	I do agree with Gerry though - while on the right track and
	cheaper than hotels I can see alot of people not willing,
	or able, to pay $15 a night.  I hope this wouldn't cause 
	them to hide out in thier cars and sleep there anyway ...
	that certainly wouldn't win the deadheads any points in
	general.

	Maybe the Council, or "authorities" or whoever should be
	notified that most dead heads would not be able to pay
	$15 a night and perhaps they could consider making that
	lower or a fee per car .... all while praising the idea.
	I guess I'd rather be proactive and point stuff like this
	out rather than let it bite us....

	anyone have an address to write to?

	Lisa

    Hey Lisa... it would take an army to keep Deadheads out of a garage.
    Even is only some of them paid, the guys running the place would
    make out like bandits.  People just need a place to crash.
    
    mary

	Yea Mary I understand that, and so do you ... but I wouldn't
	be suprised if the guys running the place don't.  If they do
	have realistic expectations then there probably wouldn't be a
	problem.  But they may expect that alot of deadheads may 
	vocally object to being asked to pay $15, therefore making 
	thier dissention obvious.

	It's just things like these that I think probably need to be
	pointed out in order to accurately set the expectations of
	the city.  If they expect it to be completely mutually beneficial
	then they'll probably expect to see some sort of gratitude -
	which I am sure they will see in the majority.  I am just afraid
	of how the minority may shade thier perceptions ... it's pretty
	much human nature to get pissed off at a person or a group of
	people and call them ingrates and never want to help them again
	when you see them objecting to what you thought was a favor.

	Lisa

Oh, it's all Bbb's fault (and he knows it ...) I deleted a line where I
should not have and my last reply made no sense.

I meant to say that the garage guys may expect that deadheads are going
to pay every night when in fact many may vocally object to it.  Even if
this percentage is low in comparison with the number of thankful people
willing to pay those actions will carry more weight and be what the garage
guys remember most.

As Bbb just said (after admitting it was all his fault! :-) was, "yes but
that isn't Albany's problem it's the deadheads problem"

	my point exactly and the best way I can think of to avoid the
	problem from ever occuring is to make sure the expectations
	of all the offical type people are set realistically.

Lisa

re:      <<< Note 33.26 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "child of countless dreams" >>>

I agree.

>	anyone have an address to write to?

I would look into contacting the City Manager.  At one of the Hartford
tours (pre-90) I ran into the Hartford City Manager at one corner of
Bushnell Park, and he had a _major_ interest in everything that was going on.

I'll try to get the #........  no city manager listed.  Phone # for the
mayor is 518-434-5100.

Ken

    it sounds like a great Idea but I for one wouldn't pay 45 buck for a 3
    nite stay and have no showers ! when I was younger it was no problem
    but I ain't get any younger, and besides I need a few cups of tea in the
    morning to wake up, I need a hot shower too :')
    
    Chris

   Why not go lease a large vacant field and set it up right, do it right
and charge the Deadheads to stay there????

  john

    true, Lisa
    .32
    Thats a good idea... a place to camp.

I just finished reading the article on the boyz that is in the March edition of 
Keyboard Magazine (thanks to Scott Abbot for sending it!!!).  A few interesting 
little tidbits:

On Bob Bralove, the Dead's MIDI technicion, and a possible new album:

	"Last January, he finished a special project on the Dead's behalf, 
	 compiling and editing live tapes of their free-form "Drums" and 
	 "Space" performances; pending the band's approval, this album should
	 be out soon."

On why Bruce Hornsby was NOT interviewed for the article:

	"Conspicuously absent was Hornsby, who delined to be interviewed
	 because, as he explained backstage before the previous night's
	 Dead show, he was merely sitting in as a sideman, whereas Welnick
	 was a permanent and full-fledged band member."


Scott

Well, I just had a truly wonderful talk with the Mayor's aid and then Linda,
in the Albany Parking Authority Department.  I extended my thanks and gratitude
for thier idea and general attitude and mentioned that Deadheads love Albany
because they are so friendly to us!!  And then I cautioned that not everyone
will necessarily be as gratuitous as they may expect and I would just like to
assure that they know a large number of people are thankful and admire thier
attitude and hope that the few bad apples don't cause too much damage to our
reputation.

Actually, I said a whole lot more (suprised? :-) ... as a matter of fact Linda
and I were on the phone chatting for 20 minutes.  Her husband is a head, but
they have no tickets ... any extras out there??  I told her I'd call her back 
if I found any.  ;^)

Anyway, basically she said that the council is aware that there are going to
be complainers but they definitely welcome all the thank you's they can get!
Both her and the mayors office were *very* glad that I called ... and so was
I!!  She asked that I spread the word of thier plan and some history around it
so that we could understand and hopefully help them help us...  The Albany
Parking Authority is pretty much doing this overnight parking thing independant
of the city.  As a matter of fact, she is not too sure how keen the Mayor is
on this idea (so she was real psyched when I mentioned that I had spoken to 
his aid).  While in general they understand that the majority of heads are
very "mellow" there were a few incidents last year which almost kept the Dead
out this tour.  So folks, we are not really as welcome as we think.  They will
have conditions on the overnight parking and hope that they will not have to
excersize too much authority or kick anyone out ... they really want to see this
work for us!  We have to help them see that ... one of thier conditions (kind 
of) is that they'd like to hear feedback, and will be handing out a sheet for
such for those who park overnight.

By the way, some of the incidents which stick out in her head are things like
people peeing on people's lawn and the general mess (which she admits is
partially due to thier oversight - or lack of knowledge of how to prepare.
Also, there were -even this year- battles regarding whose responcibility the
clean up is).  I told her that wherever we can we try to influence people in
a positive manner, for example by doing things like handing out garbage bags.
While the few (or however many of us) doing a little more than our share may
not seem to be making a dent it really does, and she is aware of that - as I
said her husband is a head.  She really seemed in tune with the scene and
understood the concerns.  According to her a good number of people on the 
council are young and understanding the limititations of deadheads, and
explained that to the rest of the meeting.

As for specifics ..  In addition to the Corning preserves (what was open for
camping last year), the Hudson/Green St lot will be open overnight for $15
per car.  There will be porta toities and hoses for water.  Coleman and other
gas stoves are allowed ... no coals.  Garbage bags will be provided.  I don't
know the other conditions but I'd expect general things like abide by the
law (and unwritten hey if you don't at least be cool about it).  They do need
to consider what they can and can not be held libel for, of course - especially
considering the fact that they Mayor's office is not convinced they are doing
the right thing.  They really hope we can help prove they are!

To write or call;

	the Mayor
		the Honorable Thomas M. Whalen III
		City Hall
		Albany, New York  12207 (518) 434-5100

	the Albany Parking Authority (those actually taking the risk and 
	establishing the overnight parking)
		Attn: Director
		Albany Parking Authority
		Port of Albany
		Albany, New York  12202 (518) 434-8886
	

We all know that the bad rep comes from a minority in general so if we can be
very vocal in our praise perhaps we can offset that ... the more thank you's
the better .... Everybody write and say thanks!  I am going to right NOW!  :-)

Lisa

Good job Lisa!  Perhaps someone should post something in deadflames or
rec.music.gdead about this stuff...

JC

Thanks JC, that's a great idea about posting the info elsewhere too!  Afterall,
that really is what they'd like to see!!  I don't subscribe to any of that
stuff but anyone who does please feel free to use my words - verbatim and/or
paraphrased. 

Lisa

    
    Lisa if you want to post it with your words all you have to do is send
    it to:
    
    DECPA::"Dead-Flames@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU"
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry

    It was either here or the TV note...
    
    On Saturday, March 9 at 10pm eastern on Channel 11 (WENH), "An Evening
    with the Grateful Dead" will air. It includes clips from the band in
    the early years, clips from the "Grateful Dead Movie" and "So Far" and
    interviews...
    
    j

        This weekend, I happened to be running thru the cable channels
    when  I came across some show on MTV called "house of Style" (I think).
    They were talking to one of the currently hottest models, her name was
    Elaine.  I guess she's been on all the top magazine covers in recent 
    months...anyways,  they were asking her questions about her life and
    they asked her what kind of music she likes.  She said "You gotta have
    the Dead..."and they showed her room with Dead posters in it.  I said
    to myself, " I do know what you mean..."
    
                   ;-)    DaveB.

Somebody just handed me today's USA Today, with an article about the business
side of the Dead...haven't read the whole thing yet, will type it in if I get 
a chance.





Jim

One of the neat quotes in the aforementioned article..they asked Weir how
long the Dead can keep going:


"I saw Count Basie when he was nearly 80.  He was playing wonderfully.  Three
weeks later he was dead.  That guy's my hero"





Jim_who_still_has_hope_of_seeing_them_again_now_that_he_blew_off_Albany
and_Nassau

From one who was a little surprised to see them make it to their 25th year ...

I wouldn't mind going to a 50th year show in 2016.

Jim

    SUNDAY ALBANY TIMES
    over 60 arrest by 5 saturday afternoon most occuring in Corning
    perserve. for public urination LSD shrooms herion .
    most being minors. 
    not a good way of making this a steady venue.
    

    In this Sunday's newspaper, there was an article regarding the busting
    of Dead fans on interstate 70, in Fredrick County, Maryland. These
    busts were set up in advance and targeted for the fans that would
    be traveling after the show. According to the local police chief
    several drug arrests were made during car stops, that were percipated
    by "mechanical violations"(if you ask me, I would say stickers on
    cars). The best night of busting was of course Thursday(last night
    in Landover). I wonder if this will be a trend as the tour goes
    on. Has anyone else heard of this happening?
    

Great..A new reason for throwing out the Bill of Rights...suspicion of being
a Deadhead.






Jim

    		THE DEAD, INC ... Sales, service and rock 'n' roll
    				by Mark Memmott
    
    These days just about every U.S. company is rabid about quality and
    customer service.  Hundreds of CEOs are trying to improve employee
    relations.  Maybe they should take lessons from the Grateful Dead.
    
    Despite their hippies-and-drugs image, the 26-year old, San Rafael,
    Calif.-based rock'n'roll group may be one of the sharpest business
    operations in popular music.
    
    Last year, the Dead sold $29 million worth of tickets to 63 North
    American shows, fourth most among rock stars for the year, according to
    industry experts at Pollstar in Fresno, Calif.  They keep fans happy by
    doing things no other rock'n'rollers would dare, such as letting
    concert-goers record their shows.  And they keep employees happy by
    paying them well, providing life and medical insurance, and trusting
    them to do their jobs with very little direction.  "I'll drive for
    these guys as long as they're together," says Mike Fischer, 47, who's
    been in charge of the Dead's trucks for over 10 years.
    
    "Car dealers ought to figure this stuff out as well as the Dead
    (have)," says Wayne Gantt, an Atlanta-based international economist
    and fan of the band.
    
    Yep, the Grateful Dead.  The band who's songs - including Truckin',
    Uncle John's Band, and Touch of Grey - are staples on classic-rock
    radio stations.  The band that Thursday night played their fourth and
    final sold-out show this week at the 18,000 seat Capital Centre in
    Landover, Md., the Dead's first stop on a three-week East Coast tour.
    
    Many may ask why the Grateful Dead should be considered a role model
    for other businesses.  After all, they're viewed by many non-fans as
    six guys (not counting guest pianist Bruce Hornsby) who got zonked on
    all sorts of drugs in the '60's and now crisscross the USA trailed by
    wild-eyed, tie-dyed hippies.  The drug stereotype has followed the band
    into the 90's because of the overdose death last July of longtime
    keyboardist Brent Mydland.
    
    One reason the Dead might be able to teach other businesses a thing or
    two is that they certainly know how to satisy customers.
    
    "Nobody else ... does the things for the fans that the Grateful Dead
    do", says John Scher, whose company, Metropolitan Entertainment,
    promotes or co-promotes Dead shows east of the Rocky Mountains.
    
    Here's an example: The band realized in the early 80's that some fans,
    especially those in their 30's and 40's who have jobs and families,
    can't wait in line for tickets.  To make sure those people get a chance
    to see the band, the Dead started selling some tickets - typically 20%
    to 40% per show - by mail.  And they set up recorded telephone messages
    to tell mail-order fans about shows.
    
    Another customer service arose when the band realized many fans -
    Deadheads as they're known - want to record concerts.  No other
    rock'n'roll band would even think of letting fans tape shows for fear
    of hurting record sales.  But the Dead rope off a portion of the floor
    at every show so about 200 "tapeheads" with special tickets can set up
    recorders.  "It doesn't hurt our record sales," says guitarist Bob
    Weir, 43.  Every time we approach a song (in concert) it's different. 
    The tapeheads, naturally, keep buying tickets to the band's concerts.
    
    Then there are the other things the Dead have always done for fans.
    
    The Dead keep their 140-song repertoire fresh by almost never playing
    a song the same way twice, and shows change every night.  Over the
    course of four concerts at the Cap Centre, the Dead never repeated a
    song.  The Dead's improvisational style serves two purposes:  "It keeps
    us interested, and we have to keep ourselves interested if we expect
    anyone else to be," says Weir, backstage at the Cap Centre.
    
    A different show each night also encourages fans to buy tickets for all
    shows in a city.  That helps generate tremendous demand.  The four Cap
    Centre shows sold out in 90 minutes.
    
    The band's shows last three-and-a-half hours, vs two hours or less for
    many headliners. Yet the Dead keep ticket prices at or just below those
    of other acts.  The price for Cap Centre tickets: $22.50 each.
    
    Those efforts to keep fans happy and provide value for their money pay
    off in incredible loyalty among Deadheads.  Many fans at shows are
    relative newcomers, age 18 to 25.  But rough estimates of crowds at the
    Cap Centre suggest at least 25% of fans are substantially older.  Some
    longtime fans have seen the Dead hundreds of times.  One example: 
    Washington D.C. lawyer Stephen Brown, 36, who says he's collected 1,800
    tape recordings of Dead concerts and seen the band 300 times.
    
    Along with customer service, the Dead can also offer lessons on keeping
    valuable employees.  Consider soundman Dan Healy, 46, who's been with
    the band for 25 years.  He could probably get a job with any major rock
    group because of the sterling reputation of the $3.5 million, computer
    assisted sound system he's had a major hand in building.  But Healy
    says he's not leaving the Dead.  And he isn't staying just because he's
    well-paid.  Close observers estimate that Grateful Dead Productions'
    full-time staff, office staffers earn average salaries of $50,000 a
    year and longtime crew members earn more than $100,000.
    
    Healy also stays with the Dead because of the way employees are
    treated.  "There's nobody here telling me 'no'," he says.  "If I stand
    up and say I need a $100,000 piece of equipment and I've got the facts
    to back up why, I'll get it."
    
    The band also does some things for the staff that are unheard of
    elsewhere in rock.  Such as offer profit-sharing and medical and life
    insurance benefits.  The Dead has set up trust funds for college-age
    children of some longtime staffers.  They pay full-time staffers
    year-round, not just when there's a tour - which never lasts much
    longer than three weeks and is usually followed by at least a month
    off.
    
    Finally, despite the band's less-than-saintly image, the Dead can offer
    tips on community relations.
    
    Four years ago, when Touch of Grey became the Dead's first Top 10 hit,
    the scene outside shows went from wild to crazy.  Hawkers selling
    T-shirts and jewelry took over parking lots.  Neighborhoods were
    overrun.  The number of arrests got more attention than the music.
    
    The Dead responded in what critics would have to agree was a remarkable
    way.  Weir and others make radio ads urging people not to come unless
    they have tickets.  Security guards are encouraged to make it hard to
    sell anything outside shows.  Local police officials are briefed by
    tour manager Cameron Sears about what to expect and how to deal with
    Dead fans.  The band did these things for three reasons: to gain some
    control over the crowds, to cut down on unauthorized merchandise sales,
    and to improve relations with the cities where it plays.
    
    "Jerry Garcia and everyone else in the band certainly don't want to be
    cops," says Dead publicist Dennis McNally.  "But they had to do these
    things if they were going to be able to keep playing."
    
    The band members also had to respond if they were going to keep making
    money for themselves and their employees.  Money is certainly there to
    be made.  The four Cap Centre shows, for instance, generated revenue of
    $1.6 million.  A rough rule of thumb is that 15% - $240,000 - of that
    gross goes to promoters.  By the time the Dead pay for renting the Cap
    Centre and other local costs, Grateful Dead Productions share comes to
    about 50%, or $800,000.  Then GDP has to set aside money for salaries
    of nearly 50 full-time employees (including band members), plus pick up
    transportation, food, and hotel costs.  "We're all very well
    compensated," says Sears, the tour manager.  "But it's not like we live
    extravagant lifestyles."
    
    "If the Dead have a single guiding principle," says Weir, "it's we do
    things that make sense ... and serve the best interest of us and our
    fans."
    
    How much longer can the Dead heep going?  "I saw Count Basie when he
    was nearly 80," says Weir.  "He was playing wonderfully.  Three weeks
    later he was dead.  That guy's my hero."
    

    
    Thanks for putting that in Bbb,
    
    It's interesting to see the nuts and bolts side of the Dead, and that
    their personalities and values are not only portrayed on stage and in
    statements, but also in their business dealings...
    
    I appreciate that!
    

    Holy six sigma Ken Olson ! maybe DEC should take a look at GDP ! :')

I volunteer to do the benchmarking studies!!!

Thanks for typing that in, Bob!!  I've been wanting to read that article
since I heard about it 8-)!!

peace,
t!ng

From: an317@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Madigan)
Subject: Good PR news from Albany
Date: 29 Mar 91 00:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: an317@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 
 
Thomas Whalen, mayor of Albany, NY , checked out the scene on Monday
afternoon. There was a picture of him chatting with a sister (she
was trying to sell him a tie dye) in the Albany  Times-Union. He
was quoted as saying the deadheads were doing a wonderful job cleaning
up after themselves, and they are welcome back anytime!!!
A lot of you may not realize that Albany proper is small, only about
101,000 folks actually live in Albany, and the Capital District (that's
what we call our little area here) has a population of (roughly)
750,000. Soooo, having the boyz and their followers in town was a
BIG DEAL. Hopefully, they'll come back before I get my PhD.
 
 

    The Mayor and the Chief of Police checked out the scene sunday as well.
    We saw them on the news chating with heads camped out in the tent city
    the Mayor had allowed to be set up in a park near the Hudson.

    It's good to see people work together to make things happen, isn't it?
    :-)

    re .-1
    
    That'd be Corning Preserve.  Emily and I took a walk down there on
    Sunday - pretty mellow scene, if you like camping next to the Hudson
    River and near a 4 level highway interchange!  It was kinda sloppy
    after all the rain.
    
    Jamie

    This past week-end my brother gave me a copy of an article on the
    Garcia/Grisman combo ... what we've been calling Grateful Dawg.  It
    was originally published in the San Francisco Chronicle (date unknown),
    and he found it in last month's issue of Unbroken Chain.  It was
    aparently written sometime in January.  I figured I'd post it here for
    those who are interested.
    
    ... Bob
    
    
    
    			GARCIA, GRISMAN ARE PICKIN' PALS
    
    The Grateful Dead may be taking a vacation this month, but musicoholic
    Jerry Garcia can't stop playing.
    
    In addition to mixing live tapes of his Jerry Garcia Band for a CD,
    probably to be released by Grateful Dead Merchandising, he continues to
    work on a new album with mandolinist David Grisman.  They will unveil
    their live act February 2-3 at the Warfield Theater.
    
    Actually the duo, whose album is half completed, tested the waters last
    month at the Village Music's annual Christmas party at Mill Valley's
    Sweetwater.  Grisman, who formed his own Acoustic Disc label and last
    year released an album of his own, "Dawg Music", has been buying
    antique stringed instruments for Garcia since the two hit it off at the
    previous year's Village Music party.  He invited Garcia to stop by and
    check out his home recording studio, which led to the current recording
    project.
    
    Described by Grisman's manager Craig Miller as "folk-pop", the album
    will feature some cuts with the two musicians joined by a rythm
    section, but will primarily focus on acoustic performances with Grisman
    on mandolin and Garcia on guitar.  It is to be released in the spring. 
    (There is no truth to the rumor that they will name the band Grateful
    Dawg.)
    

I'd be totally psyched for a live 74 minute CD of JGB !!!  Does anyone have
any details when this is due out?

	If you subscribe to The Golden Road, have you all received
	the Spring '91 issue with the great back+front cover and the
	Hunter/Garcia interview ?

	I read some of this issue at a friends place in Albany,	but I think
	I still have a subscription problem 'cause I haven't gotten mine yet.

	THanks,
	Ken

    
    Yep, I got mine.  Haven't read all of it yet though.  You should
    definately give them a call about your missing issue since I got mine
    awhile ago and my mail is worse than everyones.  :-)  Also, it's the
    last issue and I don't know how long they'll be reachable.
    
    

re:          <<< Note 33.59 by TERAPN::PHYLLIS "Wake, now discover.." >>>

>    Yep, I got mine.  Haven't read all of it yet though.  You should
>    definately give them a call about your missing issue since I got mine
>    awhile ago and my mail is worse than everyones.  :-)  Also, it's the
>    last issue and I don't know how long they'll be reachable.


	Damn, that's what I figured :-/   I had to write twice last time,
	2nd time certified mail, and I got a not so nice note back from 
	them along with my issue. Strange, after all the issues I've gotten 
	(all of em) to have a problem now.   

	I've got to read that Hunter/Garcia interview, hopefully I won't
	have to ask someone for a copy.

	Ken

 
From: kent@wasp.eng.ufl.edu (Kent Phelps)
Subject: Re: Dead Ahead and other videos
Date: 6 Apr 91 04:53:17 GMT
Reply-To: kent@wasp.eng.ufl.edu (Kent Phelps)
 
Here is an article I ran across in the Durham, N.C. newspaper from
the March 29 issue. ( Reprinted without permission )
 
TRAILING THE DEAD
 
By Emily Smith
 
They call themselves "deadheads", but to the uninitiated, they are the fans 
of the 26 year old psychedelic rock band, the Grateful Dead.
 
They travel for miles to hear the band's shows dressed in clothes reminisent 
of the '60's - tie-dyed shirts, gauze dresses, braided yarn bracelets, beads, 
and ethnic weaves.
 
Hours before each show, tent cities pop up at the various concert sites, along 
with booths where deadheads sell everything from colorful ethnic clothing and 
jewelry to Grateful Dead tapes and vegetarian food.
 
Some travel permanently with the group.  Others arrange their vacations around 
the bands tours so they can journey with the band for a stint.  Still others 
attend concerts whenever the band is within a day's drive of their home.
 
On March 31 and April 1, when the Grateful Dead comes to the Greensboro 
Coliseum to play for the first time in two years, deadheads from all over the 
country are expected to gather.  Officials have said that there will be no 
camping or vending at the sold-out shows.
 
"There are people in professional jobs who have all been coming to Grateful 
Dead concerts for 20 years whenever they have a spare moment" said Dr. Rebecca 
Adams, an associate professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina 
at Greensboro.  Dr. Adams, along with 21 of her students, toured with the band 
fot eight concerts in the summer of 1989 studying what she has termed "the 
deadhead subculture."
 
"the Ultimate goal of the project was to look at how deadheads are different 
from the mainstreams and to look at what holds the subculture together,"  Dr. 
Adams, 38, said.
 
Traveling with Dr. Adams that summer was Dr. Emily Edwards, 37, an assistant 
professor of broadcasting and film at UNC-G and four other film students.  
Together they produced a documentary titled "Deadheads: An American 
Subculture", which is scheduled on UNC public telivision on April 6 at 1:30 
pm.
 
"It is a brief picture but I think it's a very clear-lensed picture and an 
unwarped view of what the sub-culture is," said Dr. Edwards, a former news 
reporter for ABC and NBC affiliates in Tennesee and Alabama who has been with 
the University since 1987.
 
The documentery was first aired by the Southeastern Communications Association 
on Jan 13.  Television stations all over the world were able to pick it up off 
this satellite system.  Dr. Edwards says the film has already been shown on 
public television stations in California and South Carolina.
 
" I'm surprised so many people liked it" she said "When I initially set out to 
do this I really thought it would be a conference piece."
 
Dr Edwards said she attended Dr Adam's sociology class and used her research 
method as  a guide for her documentary.
 
" It was really a classic theory and methods class," Dr Adams said of her 
class, "I usually have my students study friendship.  The only thing that was 
unique about this class was who we were studying and the fact that we were 
using my interpretation of Georg Simmel to guide us."
 
Simmel, a german sociologist, believed that people see the world in a 
fictitious fashion shaped by the filters of their personality and various life 
experiences rather than in a purely objective way.
 
Dr. Adams said that her research revealed that mainstream society has many 
misperceptions about the deadhead subculture due to the filters they view it 
through.
 
"First of all many people assume that deadheads are dropouts and are somehow 
non-productive people," she said "It simply not true."
 
She said she discovered there are three main types of deadheads.
 
"There are student deadheads, who are just like other students except they 
happen to be deadheads," she said.  "Then there are deadheads who are 
professionals.  These people tend to people who are computer programmers, 
lawyers and doctors.  They arrange their vacations around the dead's concert 
tours."
 
The third type of deadhead is the 'tourhead'," she said.  "These people come 
closer to the stereotype, but even they are different, because that while it's 
true that many are unemployed, a larger percentage support themselves with 
very successful businesses selling tye-died T-shirts, imported clothing, and 
jewelry at the concerts and in fact may earn very respectable middle-class 
incomes."
 
Several things differentiate deadhead subculture from mainstream society, Dr. 
Adams said.
 
"The main distinguishing feature of deadheads is they place a high priority in 
their lives on the experiential," she said "in other words, being in touch 
with themselves and the world around them."
 
"I'm not saying that deadheads are not materialistic," she added, "It's just 
that the way to understand their subculture is not through that - it's to 
understand experiential things.  In order to understand mainstream society, 
materialism would be a more important form to study."
 
Deadheads differ from mainstream society in other ways, Dr Adams said.
 
"In the mainstream, competition is the norm, but deadheads are very 
cooperative with one another." she said "They don't compete with one another.  
If a deadhead has a breakdown on the road, another deadhead will stop to help, 
and a deadhead who can afford a motel room might be expected to share the 
hotel room and certainly would be expected to let other deadheads use the 
shower."
 
This attitude is part of the glue that holds the subculture together, Dr Adams 
said.
 
"It's the cooperation within the subculture that certainly unites it as well 
as the experience many people have in the shows and the conflict with the 
mainstream." she said.  "There's a lot of stigma involved in being a deadhead, 
and stigma always unites the stigmatized."
 
Dr Adams said she saw differences between East Coast deadheads 
and those on the West Coast.  The East Coast crowd tended to contain more 
college students, she said, while West Coast fans tended to be professionals.
 
Many fans keep in touch between concerts via various computer networks, Dr 
Adams said.
 
"There's a computer community of professional deadheads called 'The Well'," 
she said. "It's a San Francisco Bay Area organization."
 
There is also a computer network called "Usenet" that many deadhead students 
use because it is free, she said.
 
One thing the deadhead subculture has been especially noted for over the years 
is its use of drugs - specifically hallucinogens such as LSD, marijuana, and 
peyote.  When asked about this, Dr Adams responded by saying "I think the 
interesting thing about deadheads is not that they do drugs but what kind of 
drugs they do."
 
"Drugs are a part of modern culture whether you like it or not," she said " So 
the fact that deadheads do drugs is in itself not that interesting."
 
That deadheads would choose to do hallucinogens - which enhance the 
senses - is indicative of the value the subculture places on the experiential, 
she added.
 
"I don't want to give the imppression that all deadheads do drugs," she said. 
"There is a generally tolerant atmosphere in the subculture towards drugs, and 
that is because of the emphasis on the experience, but drugs are not the only 
tool that use to experience.  They also use music and dance.  In fact 
deadheads will tell you that the music can induce a drug-less trip."
 
One thing Dr. Edwards said she noticed about the deadhead subculture is the 
attraction to things philosophical.
 
"Education is varied within the subculture, but one thing they have is a lust 
for that kind of college envirinment where things are questioned," Dr. Edwards 
said.  "I can't tell you how many philosophical conversations I had about art, 
about religion, about values.  I think there is a yearning to be an 
environment whare you can kick back and have a philosophical discussion.  They 
want to get into some pretty heavy stuff."
 
Dr. Edwards added that she found that deadheads cherish their freedom and their 
individuality.
 
For this reason, she said, it wasn't unusual to see them doing things that 
would be considered odd in the mainstream society.
 
"We saw a man in full indian headdress who was rollerskating through the 
crowd," she said,"And we saw deadheads carring white rats on their shoulders. 
They were all doing all these weird things, but they were doing them as 
individuals."
 
"They like to surprise each other" she added "They like doing things to make 
other people react and break out of the mold and think different."
 
Both Dr Adams and Edwards said they were surprised at the diversity in the 
subculture.
 
"There are all kinds of groups within the subculture." Dr Edwards said.
 

re:  <<< Note 33.61 by AD::VAUK "love will see you through" >>>

>with booths where deadheads sell everything from colorful ethnic clothing and 
>jewelry to Grateful Dead tapes and vegetarian food.

Selling Dead tapes??!!??

peace,
t!ng

    
Reprinted without permission from the _San Francisco Chronicle_'s
_This World_ magazine, April 7, 1991.
 
 
 Gratefully, Not Dead
 
 _Feeling Good_
 LINDA ELLERBEE
 
 I think about how old I am while dressing to go to a Grateful Dead
 concert with my son, the Deadhead.  I wonder what Josh thinks about,
 dressing to go to the concert with his mother, the Deadhead.  And so it
 goes.
 
 But does it really?  Does the beat really go on?
 
 Sure, I still like rock and roll, but a concert is just so loud -- too
 loud, perhaps -- for me anymore.  Is this his music now, not mine?  I'm
 tired, and if I thought I could get out of going tonight, I might.  A
 long bath, a good book, an early bedtime.  Never happen.  I have
 promised.  Anyway, I don't want to be thought old by my son, who is 20
 and thinks me old enough.
 
 Now the tribe is gathered.  The audience is my age, my son's age and
 many ages in between, but I don't feel a part of it.  I see a young
 woman wearing a long paisley-printed Indian skirt I swear I used to
 own.  And who knows?  Maybe I did.  Watching her, I am lonesome for
 me.
 
 Balloons bounce everywhere, settling on people's heads, only to be
 batted back into play, a game of slow-motion volleyball, as if this
 were a sporting event, which maybe it is.  One hits me and I swat it
 away, annoyed at a balloon.
 
 The stage seems small, dwarfed by equipment necessary to make the sound
 that is supposed to transport us to some other place, some cosmic point
 from which we will hear and see things differently, and sigh together
 one more time:  _Far out_.
 
 The Grateful Dead are on stage tuning up and with no warning they begin
 to play.  I like this band, but they don't move me this night, even
 though Jerry Garcia remembers all the words to the songs for once.  (A
 member of the band once said to me: "Jerry knows most of the words to
 most of our songs.  Luckily our songs don't have many words.") The guys
 are together tonight.  Josh says their music is "fresh." It's a word
 that has different meanings for the two of us.
 
 Everyone is standing now and will remain standing for the entire time,
 never mind the perfectly good seats beneath us.  By the end of the
 third song, my feet hurt.  Did they used to?  Josh, standing next to
 me, doesn't look the least bit sore-footed.
 
 Oh, how I hate getting old.  Older.
 
 "No worries,"  said my daughter, recently.  "Remember, no rock and
 roller has died of old age yet.  Drugs, airplane and car crashes, and
 the occasional bullet to the brain, yes, _but not old age_." What this
 ought to do is cheer me up.  It doesn't.
 
 Next to me, a man who looks to be about my age says to a woman who
 looks to be my son's age, "Tell me what your date (also about my son's
 age) can do that I can't."
 
 "Probably nothing," she answers, "but he can do it all night long."
 
 God, this is depressing.
 
 But two hours into the concert, I realize something has happened.  I
 have stopped listening and started feeling.  I feel _good_.  My sinus
 passages are open.  My head is light.  My heart keeps time.  Slowly,
 bit by bit, note by note, beat by beat, the power of this music has
 located that place inside me where nothing else lives, nothing but
 music, without age.
 
 And I find, dancing above my seat, that I still have a tie-dyed soul.
 Josh is right.  Tonight is "fresh."  Still.
 
 A balloon drifts down.  I catch it and, on the beat, send it over to
 my son who catches it and, to his own beat, gives it a mighty swack,
 sending it up, higher, higher...
 
 Who knows where this business ends, or if it does?  No rock and roller
 has died of old age yet.
 
 I look at my son.  His music.  My music.  Our music.  This music once
 brought a generation together.  Now it brings generations together.
 That is something.  Sure, it's only rock and roll.  But I like it.
 Nothing else makes me feel so old.
 
 Or so young.
 
 

re .63  Jerry

Nice ... thanks for typing that in.

Linda Ellerbe, deadhead ... that clicked with me.

- Dave

    I've always liked Linda Ellerbee's work.  Discovering that she's a
    Deadhead makes it easier to see why. 
    
    Nice article.  Thanks for typing it in.
    
    tim
    

That was a grate article...kinda thought provoking.






Jim

    who is Linda Ellerbee?????  why does that name sound so familiar?
    where might i know her from?
    
    			da ve_the_clueless

    Ellerbee is a free lance journalist, in print, radio and TV.  She spent
    a long time with NBC news, often with Lloyd Dobbins as her sidekick (or
    was she his sidekick?)  anyway...she has a dry sense of humor and the
    kind of biting, somewhat cynical reporting style that has sometimes
    brought her more grief than she deserves.  I think she and NBC parted
    under somewhat contested circumstances - my impression was that she was
    too controvercial, and had little or no resemblance to a Barbie doll,
    which were two of NBC's priorities at the time.  Linda and Lloyd used
    to do a late night alternative news magazine called 'Weekend', which I
    was devoted to.  I guess nowadays she just does free lance stuff.
    
    I like her a lot.
    
    tim
    

    
    
    
    	I often wonder if that will happen with me and my children. 
    	I'm not sure if it will be with the Dead (seeing my first 
    	isn't born yet).  But maybe with some other group.  
    
    	I know that my mother and I have experienced this (both 
    	interested in the same music and going to concerts together). 
    	In fact she took me to my first concert.  A good test of 
    	music quality I guess.  If a group can make it through 
    	generations you know they had or have something special.  I 
    	only fear if there will be any new or present groups that 
    	will pass the test of time. 
    	
    
    	Nicole

Ellerbee was quasi-known for the saying "and so it goes," too ;^)

		'Deadication album gives new life to Dead'
			   by Steve Morse
		Boston Sunday Globe   4/21/91 pg B4

	For years, many critics have thought the Grateful Dead were just old
hippies trying to relive their youth - or young hippies voyeuristically peeking
into the past. To love the Grateful Dead - and to admit to it - has been to risk
being stereotyped as a nostalgic airhead.
	Even devout Deadheads have been defensive in recent years; conservative 
crackdowns on Dead shows have increased, to the point where some arenas won't
book the band because of its fun-loving, tie-dyed fans.
	But badly needed positive energy arrives on Tuesday with "Deadicated",
an exquisite Dead tribute album in which many top acts not only come out of the 
closet as Deadheads, but perform their favorite Dead songs with gutsy aplomb.
(And for a good cause, since proceeds will go to the effort to save the rain
forests).
	Several groups hail from the so-called hip side of the rock camp - Elvis
Costello, Midnight Oil and Jane's Addiction - and some of their fans will no 
doubt be shocked to hear them cover Dead songs. "Before the glory of punk rock,"
says Eric A. of Jane's Addiction in a booklet accompanying the record,"I was a 
Grateful Dead fanatic." "But don't tell anyone. It might be detrimental to my
image."
	Other acts more associated with the Dead - Bruce Hornsby, Los Lobos, Dr.
John - also participate, along with Suzanne Vega, the Indigo Girls, Burning 
Spear, Cowboy Junkies, Warren Zevon, Dwight Yoakam and the Harshed Mellows, led
by Dan Baird of the Georgia Satellites and Mike Campbell of Tom Petty & the 
Heartbreakers.
	Together the fashion an extraordinary 14-song album that gives the Dead
new legitimacy. The very fact that such high-profile artists cover Dead songs
is a rarity: It places the Dead in the company of icons such as Bob Dylan and
the Beatles. Dead songs are often viewed as too idiosyncratic, even though these
new covers - drawn mostly from the Dead's country-blues-rock era of the '70s -
show just how timeless their songs, and Robert Hunter's lyrics, can be.
	The only cover that doesn't jell is Hornsby's "Jack Straw". Although
Hornsby has played piano with the Dead on and off for the last year, his 
reading of this picaresque tune is too dry and formal. His vocal lacks fire.
	Otherwise, one is hard-pressed to find a lemon on "Deadicated". 
Costello, who first saw the Dead in 1972 near Liverpool ("while standing in a 
foot of mud among a small, sodden horde who braved the swamp in front of the
stage"), leads the way with a transcendent "Ship of Fools", about a search for
utopia gone awry. Almost as brilliant is Midnight Oil's "wharf Rat", revived 
with a romping rock'n'roll coda.
	Chicano rockers Los Lobos, who have opened for the Dead a number of 
times, kick things off with a propulsive guitar/accordion weave on "bertha". The
Harshed Mellows steam it up with "US Blues", with the Steve Tyler-sounding Dan
Baird raspily singing, "Give me five, I'm still alive/It ain't no luck/I learned
to duck." Suzanne Vega adds her plaintive, boho touch to the fragile "China 
Doll," before segueing into a percussion-laden "Cassidy," a Dead tribute to Jack
Kerouac's on-the-road compadre, Neal Cassidy.
	Honky-tonker Dwight Yoakam is perfectly matched with "Truckin'," the
rambling, gambling Dead anthem with its brain-fried climax about "what a long,
strange trip it's been." That's followed by Zevon's slaphappy rendering of
"Casey Jones," about a train driver high on cocaine. David Lindley adds some
twisting slide guitar to simulate the experience.
	The Indigo Girls apply their folk guitars and celestial harmonies to
"Uncle John's Band," spiced with tambourine and maracas. Then comes Lyle 
Lovett's ingenious, minimalist, folk reading of "Friend of the Devil," which
takes the Dead's already muted arrangement and strips it even more bare. And
that leads to a slower-than-slow, but exalted interpretation of "To Lay Me Down"
by the Cowboy Junkies, ending with a windswept Appalachian mandolin.
	The album winds down with Burning Spear's incantatory reggae slant on
Bob Weir's "Estimated Prophet" (reaffirming the bonds between Deadheads and
reggae fans), Dr. John's New Orleans-ized "Deal," and the surprise of the bunch:
Jane's Addiction's "Ripple," a skewed, but bubbly reworking that once again
establishes that a Dead song is only what you bring to it.

[picture of Bobby, Dylan and Jerry from '87 Foxboro show on page]

I just got this album today!  I'll be listening to it on the way home tonight,
maybe, if I can manage to remove the One From The Vault recording currently
in my tape deck!

Oh, here's who is on it:

Bertha, Los Lobos
Jack Straw, Hornsby
US Blues, Harshed Mellows
Ship of Fools, Elvis Costello
China Doll, Suzanne Vega
Cassidy, Suzanne Vega
Truckin', Dwight Yoakam
Casey Jones, Warren Zevon
Uncle John's Band, Indigo Girls
Friend of the Devil, Lyle Lovett
To Lay Me Down, Cowboy Junkies
Wharf Rat, Midnight Oil
Estimated Prophet, Burning Spear
Deal, Dr John
Ripple, Jane's Addiction

Is this "album" avaliable on good ol' vinyl?  I don't have a CD player.

Besides, the booklet would be much bigger (and better-looking).

adam

OK, I listened to the album last night.  NOT A BAD PIECE.  You people will 
enjoy it, I think.  It is sort of refreshing to hear Dead songs performed
differently by different folks.

>Bertha, Los Lobos

This is a really nice version.  Good solid drum beat throughout and some nice
lead guitar.

>Jack Straw, Hornsby

Hornsby disappointed me.  Jack Straw is a song that builds, mellows, builds,
mellows, builds and finally climaxes.  Hornsby failed to do this with his 
rendition.  That is what I personally like about Jack Straw, the way the 
"Grateful Dead Pump" gets going and really gets a wave of energy cookin'.

>US Blues, Harshed Mellows

Didn't care too much for this version; kind of "heavy" ... still ok.

>Ship of Fools, Elvis Costello

Very nice;  Elvis does a good job with this.

>China Doll, Suzanne Vega
>Cassidy, Suzanne Vega

Both very sweet.  Suzanne has a very nice voice and it shows through the
music on these two numbers.

>Truckin', Dwight Yoakam

Not bad..

>Casey Jones, Warren Zevon

Good job done in Warren Zevon style;  I personally like Warren, so his version
of this appealed to me.

>Uncle John's Band, Indigo Girls

This was nice and bubbly.  If I remember correctly, they had a lot of extra
percussion instruments adding a nice touch.  Towards the end, again if I
remember right, there is an other one tease.

>Friend of the Devil, Lyle Lovett

Not bad.

>To Lay Me Down, Cowboy Junkies

Done in Cowboy Junkie format;  very quiet, very mellow;

>Wharf Rat, Midnight Oil

Can't say I enjoyed this too much.

>Estimated Prophet, Burning Spear

HIGHLIGHT!  This was EXCELLENT!!!  Burning Spear did an outstanding job with
this song.  It must be close to 6 or 7 minutes long with a good reggae beat.
Very different than the boyz' version, but very palatable.  This is my fave
of the whole album (probably because of my love for reggae soul music).

>Deal, Dr John

OK... don't remember

>Ripple, Jane's Addiction

Not bad, much different than the boyz.


Get it, You'll like it.

This morning, while reading the Boston Glob [sic], I came across the following
blurb and I plan on dropping the editor a brief note:


	"Only in New Jersey
	 - Part 2

	Jon Bon Jovi, Hulk Hogan, and Grateful Dead's Bob Weir have done a
	video for New Jersey, explaining what's acceptable behavior and what's
	not at state entertainment sites like the Meadowlands.  The 10-minute
	version premiered yesturday at Secaucus Middle School while a 
	60-second version is being screened in Jersey Theatres.  Maybe the
	audience should produce a video to teach the performers proper
	stage etiquette."

I take this to imply that the author does not think the Dead have proper
stage etiquette.  The Dead not having proper stage etiquette?  Excuse me?  
Drawing a comparision between the Dead and the others mentioned is
ridiculous!  Obviously, the author has never seen the Boyz.

    so what else is new????
          
    rfb, somewhat apprehensive about the police state of Nevada
    and how they will treat deadheads         
    

    I was in Vegas in December and the Row-De-O was in town (very rowdy
    group at 2 AM) and the cops seemed ok...don't forget its a 24hr town.
    nothing stops.....just watchout for yourself when your not near the
    strip at night or any time for that matter ! lots of muggin' and stuff.
    check out the Hard Rock @ 3 miles from UNLV heading away from the strip...
    Circus-Circus is a cheap place to stay $20 a nite weekday (sun-thurs) 
    $25 weekend (fri-sat) they have 2800 rooms so getting one is easy (I got 
    one at 9:30 pm on a Friday) resv. 800-634-3450....
    
    
    	Chris

    there will be some VERY dissapointed muggers in Vegas if they try
    that stuff on me...this is a low-budget trip for the kid.
                                                             rfb

re:        <<< Note 33.76 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "the rainbow has a beard" >>>
   
>I take this to imply that the author does not think the Dead have proper
>stage etiquette.  The Dead not having proper stage etiquette?  Excuse me?  
    
    re: Bob's stage etiquette
    
    I'd hardly call habitually spitting on one's audience proper stage
    etiquette. And what those DBL's? Hmmm? Last but not least, let's not 
    forget the incident where he scared the bejeezus outta Slash with that 
    over-extended proboscis of his. :-)
    
    - Gerry

re:  <<< Note 33.80 by SA1794::GLADUG >>>

>    re: Bob's stage etiquette
>    
>    I'd hardly call habitually spitting on one's audience proper stage
>    etiquette. And what those DBL's? Hmmm? Last but not least, let's not 
>    forget the incident where he scared the bejeezus outta Slash with that 
>    over-extended proboscis of his. :-)

TEE-HEE-HEEE-HEEE!!  8-)  8->!!

peace,
t!ng   8->!!

>    Last but not least, let's not 
>    forget the incident where he scared the bejeezus outta Slash with that 
>    over-extended proboscis of his. :-)

	yeah,.. and his nose got pretty big one night too!

							/

I heard a blurb on this on CNN (I think). The video is intended to go to schools
in NJ and is about, according to the talking head, fan etiquette at shows and
sporting events.

j

                    Deadheads Won The Hearts Of Gray Heads
                         Tampa Tribune, April 24, 1991
                         Reprinted without permission

"You like to get out a little," said Ethel Kahn, 81, explaining her presence
at the Grateful Dead concert.

By Patty Ryan
Tribune Staff Writer

TEMPLE TERRACE - Two retirees from the Mary Walker Apartments have settled back
into a routine of theater and symphony, keeping only a tie-dyed T-shirt to
remind them of their stint as flower children.

  On a recent Sunday - while some their age visited the grandchildren - Ruth
Carlyle, 74, and Ethel Kahn, 81, ventured off to the Grateful Dead concert in
Orlando.

  "Being alone, you know, you like to get out a little," Ethel said.

  They landed in a soup bowl of '60s sensation.

  Peace, love and good will wafted through the arena.

  So did incense, marijuana and rock 'n' roll.

  Ethel, nearly deaf, could hear crashing guitar chords and drum beats - even
though she wore cotton in her ears.

  "It was very loud.  I enjoyed it," she said.

  She attended at Ruth's beckoning.  Ruth, who organizes outings at the senior
citizen high-rise, got free passes by writing to the band.  Ruth also invited
59-year-old John Meketsy of Tampa, and his friend, Martha Johnson, who often
drive the residents to events.

  Three other retirees were supposed to go, but "chickened out," Ruth said: "One
woman said her daughter forbade her to go."

  Ruth's son, 42-year-old Art "R.T." Carlyle of Hollywood, Fla., encouraged the
excursion.  After all, his mother had always taought him not to judge without
experiencing.  He bought her a tie-dyed Grateful Dead T-shirt - with a giant
mushroom on it - in anticipation of the concert.

[Note: a color photograph of Ruth, wearing her T-shirt, accompanies the
article. The caption reads: "Grateful Dead fan Ruth Carlyle, 74, far right, is
joined by fellow concertgoers, from left, John Meketsky, Martha Johnson and
Ethel Kahn." - tim]

  "My son has been after me for more than 20 years to go to a Grateful Dead
concert," Ruth said.  "Arthur is a musician, and unacknowledged musician."

  In her apartment, his face appears on a fake cover of "Rolling Stone"
magazine.

  "He played the guitar, and he was one of the 'flower children' of the '60s and
'70s.  He related to their music.  He tells me it was the music of the times,
and the words were even more important than the music."

  At the concert, she couldn't make out the words.  They were muffled by people
who tried to sing along.

  She couldn't see the musicians, either.  Her seats were on the arena's ground
floor, where dancing Deadheads obscured the view.

  But she was struck by the camaraderie and compassion that seemed to envelope
the audience.

  One young man next to Ruth held a rigid hand over his chest as he danced.  She
gave him a look of sympathy.  She thought he had cerebral palsy.

  "He said, 'Don't worry, ma'am.  I'm holding th is hand very tightly so I don't
hurt you." she recalled.

  While walking through the arena, Ruth nearly stumbled.  She grabbed somebody's
arm, then apologized.  The young woman offered to help her down the steps.

  "That's how kind they were.  If they bumped, they touched hands and smiled at
each other.  It was a good-mood feeling that you don't see among adults.  If
people of my generation bumped into somebody, they were likely to say, 'Watch
where you're going.'"

  Generosity abounded.

  Somebody offered Ethel a sip of a drink.

  "John, the gentleman, knew there was rum in there, so he told her not to take
it," Ruth said.

  Somebody offered John some marijuana.

  "No, I don't touch that stuff,"  John said.

  Ethel saw the cigarette being passed and was concerned about the potential
fire hazard.

  "You know, you're not supposed to smoke in here," she chided.

  Nobody paid attention.

  That didn't sour her impression of the concert.

  "I enjoyed it," Ethel said.  "Every minute of it.  I didn't think I would at
first.  I think I must have been the oldest lady there.  It was all young
people.

  "I was told there were college boys and girls from all over the country.  Is
that true?  Well, I really liked being with them.  It was nice.  I felt young."

  "Each person was so different, yet they were as one," observed Ruth.  "This is
what myu sone told me:  It was an experience, not a concert.

  "I don't know if the Dead would appreciate that, but he said it would bring us
together as brothers.

  "I mean, 'brothers and sisters.'  The feminists will kill me."

    

That was great:-), Thanks for typing it in. Brought a smile to my face and a 
tear of joy to my eye:-)

Geoff

    There were some elderly locals sitting just behind the taper section.
    I wonder if they were the same one's in the article.

    I saw a number of older people there, but didn't recognize the picture
    in the paper.
    
    I particularly liked the passage about the lyrics:
    
>"He related to their music.  He tells me it was the music of the times,
>and the words were even more important than the music."
>
>  At the concert, she couldn't make out the words.  They were muffled by people
>who tried to sing along.
    
    BTW, the Mary Walker Apartments are at 4912 Linebaugh Avenue East,
    Tampa, FL...in case anybody gets the urge to send a card or something.
    
    tim
    
    

    ...brought a bit of mist to my eyes since I have a 95 year old 
    grandma who has always enjoyed all music including some stuff
    by the boyz.....matter of fact she was the one who has pushed me
    all along to listen to music.  I relly value old folks they have so
    much to share as long as your willing to listen.
    
    rich

Thanks, Tim, that was great!!

peace,
t!ng

    Yeah,. a real gem
    
    I hope we who all pride ourselves on being 'open minded' are as open 
    minded as these two fine lady's when (if?) we reach their age.
    
    							/
    

re:  <<< Note 33.90 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>

>    I hope we who all pride ourselves on being 'open minded' are as open 
>    minded as these two fine lady's when (if?) we reach their age.
    
Yeah, and I sure hope that the Dead's still going to be around when we 
reach their age.

peace,
t!ng   

    
    
    
    It is all over the radio in Indy. Some Noblesville councilman is trying
    to stop the GD from playing Deer Creek. He has said that he wants it
    known that "Hossier Hospitality does not extend to Deadheads" He 
    referred to these as "tie-dyed, drug-peddling nudists" who "ruin our 
    parks and fill our jails". He wants to prevent camping at Forest Hills(?) 
    or something like that. The local police says that the Heads were not 
    much trouble the last two years and they see no reason to restrict 
    the show. 
    

Nudists?  ha ha ha ha ha ha

I think the guy's watched "Woodstock" a few too many times.

- Dave

 ... well ... not in public, anyway ....

So what's wrong with being a nudist?








/curious

RE:       <<< Note 33.94 by DECXPS::HENDERSON "Seems a common way to go" >>>

>So what's wrong with being a nudist?

There is nothing wrong with being a nudist as far as I'm concerned.  Like
deadheads, nudist behavior is unacceptable by many of our elders, so it's
against the social norm (my perspective of who sets the social norm implied).  
Break the norm, and you stand out... and if it is offensive to these elders, 
you get reamed by the gastapo they own and control.

That would be a shame if the boyz got bumped from Deer Creek.  Start voicing
your opposition.!!

Re:        <<< Note 33.95 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "the rainbow has a beard" >>>

>There is nothing wrong with being a nudist as far as I'm concerned.  Like
>deadheads, nudist behavior is unacceptable by many of our elders, so it's
                                                           ^^^^^^

	It's also quite unacceptable to many of our contemporaries also...

Re:        <<< Note 33.95 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "the rainbow has a beard" >>>

>nudist behavior is unacceptable by many of our elders
    
    "Even the President of the United States must, at times, stand naked"
    
     or some such Zimmy quote.

	Elders attempt shape the morals of our contemporaries.  In many cases,
they succeed...

Just wanted to make it clear; I wasn't disapproving of nudism in my note ...
I just thought of this guy envisioning deadheads as the stereotypical '60s
Woodstockian hippies rolling nude in the mud ....

    Someone else is trying to cash in on the Grateful Dead with a new book
    called "One More Saturday Night."  Lots of pictures, but is there even
    _one_ that hasn't been published yet?  I didn't recognize the author's
    name, and promptly forgot it.
    
    Jamie

    Jamie--
    
    where did you see it and would you consider it worth having?  
    (i guess you probably don't since you didn't buy it! :^)
    
    and to build on this, for the general population, what are your
    feelings on some of these books??  what i am trying to get at is,
    how do you feel about buying dead related stuff from non-dead
    related people??  Jerilyn Brandelius put her book out with help
    and/or cooperation from the band...  it was well recieved by
    heads all over the place...  some other folks have put stuff out that
    is, for lack of a better word, unauthorized...  these people get tagged
    as "trying to cash in" (not picking on you Jamie-just using your words
    to start what i hope will be an interesting discussion)...
    
    would you buy, or have you bought, unauthorized dead stuff???  
    
    i look at this stuff as people exercising thier own creativity...  they
    aer writing thier book with thier thoughts on an american phenomenon...
    i don't see anything wrong with that (as long as copyrights etc are
    preserved, respected, and protected)...if i saw it and liked it, i
    would buy it without reservation...
    
    					da ve

 
Here is the transcript of the Dan Healy interview that was broadcast live
on KPFA February 27 and distributed as Grateful Dead Hour #130.....
 
 
DAN HEALY at KPFA 2/27/91
 
[the program opens with 2/19/91 New Speedway Boogie]
 
Gans:  Dan Healy's with me here in the studio, and if you don't know
who he is you haven't been to enough Dead concerts yet.  He's the guy
who makes all the sound come out the speakers out front...
 
Healy:  So, how about it?  New Speedway Boogie, huh?  Why don't you ask
me what it was like being there?
 
Gans:  What was it like being there?
 
Healy:  Ah, I don't want to talk about it.  [Laughter]
        It was an interesting show.  First of all, it was really a flash 
to pull into a place where they had just completed an auto destruction
derby,  so there were hulks of cars laying everywhere...
 
Gans:  Are you talking about Altamont Speedway in 1969?
 
Healy:  Yeah.  That was the beginning, and at the end the bonfire of the PA
cabinets was about it.
 
Gans:  [Laughs]  And in between?
 
Healy:  In between was a lot of interesting stuff, and I think the song
probably runs it down.
 
Gans:  Well, you guys never actually played [at Altamont], right?
 
Healy:  No, but it was our sound system, so some of us were there...
 
Gans:  So you were working all day?
 
Healy:  Actually, from the day before.  You see, it was originally going to
happen at Sears Point, and at the last second, for whatever various reasons,
that washed out and so it wound up being Altamont and... what can I say?
 
Gans:  There's a movie about it, that Rolling Stones movie "Gimme Shelter"...
 
Healy:  In my opinion that doesn't necessarily reflect the reality of what went
on,  but... I think this song reflects more realistically what went on.
 
Gans:  Do you have any idea why it was revived 20 years after its last
performance?
 
Healy:  Basically two reasons: One is that since Vince has joined us
(by the way, I really enjoyed Vince the other night; he kicked
mmm-mmm-mmm real good), we were going through tunes, digging stuff up,
teaching Vince stuff; and at the same time there's been -- and this has
been going on not just since Vince,  but also in the last year -- [a
sense] of "Hey, you know there's a lot of stuff that's gone on in the
past that warrants looking back into."  So I think it's a combination
of Vince joining us -- it's a juncture point, it's an opportunity to go
back through everything and pull stuff out -- and I know for sure that
there's more to come along those lines.
 
Gans:  I notice he's obviously listened to records as well as live tapes. On
"Estimated Prophet" he's playing a line that's reminiscent of that Tom Scott
line that's on the record.  It's interesting to hear.
 
Healy:  You have to have a place to start and you have to come up with
something that is cogent with respect to the arrangements of the songs
and stuff like that, so I think what he chosen to do is wise and really
reflects good musicianship in the sense of: "OK, get it together; when
you get a handle on it and you get to know more about it then you can,
of course, move off on to your own spaces."
 
Gans:   We're going to take some calls from the listening audience.
        Do you have a question for Dan?
 
Listener:  I was just wondering how come the boys don't give a little
back to the people and have a free concert, say a benefit in the park
or something like that?
 
Healy:  Do you want a straight answer or a baloney answer?
 
Listener:  How about a straight answer?
 
Healy:  OK.  A straight answer is (and this isn't even recently; this
goes back as far as ten years ago): the very concept of pulling a
quick, free shot in the park, as we used to do back in the late sixties
and early seventies, comes down to monumental amounts of problems to
work out.  For one thing, there's no such thing as showing up and
playing in the park for us.  We've planned shows like that in the past,
and actually what has happened is that somehow, mysteriously from
inside of our scene or from wherever, it gets out and it's not even
actually a secret hit-and-run kind of a thing.  The alternative is to
go through the Parks and Recreation Commission and to do that would
give so much lead time, because of the time it takes for bureaucracies
to move through all of that licensing stuff, it's enough time that
there would be a million people there and it would turn into something
else.  So the answer is it's not as easy to do as you might imagine.
 
Listener: I understand.  Thanks a lot.
 
Gans:  Hello.  You're on the air.
 
Listener:  You mentioned the Dead are rehearsing some new songs....
 
Gans:  We don't want to blow the surprise, though...
 
Listener:  I understand that -- I don't want to know what the songs are
-- but they also were rehearsing some last spring and they seem to play
more of them on the East Coast, is that correct?
 
Healy:  Actually, I have to tell you that if that seems to be a
reality, it's a coincidence, because believe me, there is actually no
truth to that in terms of what we plan to do.
 
Listener:  Oh, really?
 
Healy:  Yeah
 
Listener:  Do they enjoy playing more on the East Coast?
 
Healy:  It comes down to this: When we're on the East Coast we're on
the road and we do a much larger, longer, denser, concentrated set of
shows, and so what that comes down to is that after you play a bunch of
nights, within the scope of a larger tour it opens up the possibility
of trying new ideas and stuff.
 
Listener:  Right, that's what I figured.
 
Gans:  Is there more working up stuff in soundchecks and hanging out in the
hotel thinking of new things?
 
Healy:  That kind of thing, yeah.  That's a product of the mechanics of
being on the road, and beyond that there is no philosophical or ideal
or whatever-you-want-to-say difference.
 
Listener:  You don't think the Dead are comfortable coming from their
homes and a little more laid back...
 
Healy:  ...it's because we don't dig all of you guys out here...
 
Gans:  That's it.  It's hometown paranoia, man...  [Laughter]
 
Healy:  No, the reality is is that it's a product of being together and a
number of nights of shows consecutively.
 
Listener:  It'd be nice if they could get some of that energy at Oakland...
 
Healy:  Actually, if you look back here's what really happens:  we go
back in a dense, concentrated gig kind of a space; we come up with
these ideas, but you know what we do?  We always bring them home and
play them here.  You may not be the first ones to hear them, but you
may very well hear the best versions of them.
 
Listener:  Well, that's good to know.  I'll look forward to that.
 
Healy:  Right on, man.  Thanks for calling.
 
Gans:  You're on the air.
 
Listener: I'm calling to ask Dan a question about New Speedway
[Boogie], and I want to know if it would be presumptuous of me to say
"Hey, that was a war song!"  I was totally thinking  "Wow, this is
about the war!"
 
Healy:  Well, I think war really exists on a lot of different levels.
There's the organizational war based on the output of our country's
attitudes, but then there are a lot of different wars at a lot of
different levels and I think you have to read that for yourself. Let me
say this:  none of us are intentionally making any particularly pointed
messages about any given, particular war.  I think it's more of a
general context.
 
Gans:  I remember when they started doing "The Last Time," people
considered that that might be a message to the audience about the scene
at gigs and stuff like that...
 
Healy:  I'll tell you something, it's really a product of "New Speedway
Boogie," it really came from that, but it came from that whole concept of
dominating the rap.
 
Gans:  So if there is some relevance to it, it's for the listener to
deduce, right?
 
Healy:  So be it if there is.  It's really up to you guys to read what
you read in it.
 
Gans:  Hello.  You're on the air.
 
Listener:  Hello.  I'm a student at Stanford University and I'm calling
to ask what is the band doing to increase it's acoustical qualities
right now? Have you guys sort of stagnated or are you growing more
acoustically?
 
Healy:  Wow, man, I could consider that a dirty crack.  [Laughter]  It
amounts to this:  I hate to sound like Johnny-on-the-spot but in
reality the truth, point-blank, put straight to you, is it's a
relentless endeavor to develop the best and highest technology, and
offer you, as the audience, the best trip going.  And that's the bottom
line and the truth of it.
 
Listener:  Are you trying out new sound ideas a lot at shows or...
 
Healy:  Yeah.  There is never a time when we consider that everything
has been achieved and accomplished. So what happens is that we
continuously review -- and this includes Donny Pearson and all of our
sound guys and the band and everybody.  And I can assure you that
there's never been any backing off, or even levelling off, of attention
paid to upholding the latest state-of-the-art stuff. So the answer in
short is yes, we're going for it all the time.
 
Gans:  Nobody gets to coast for very long in that scene
 
Listener: No, definitely not.
 
Gans:  All right.  Thank you.  Hello.  You're on the air.
 
Listener: Yeah, hi you guys.  Great listening to you.  Hi, Dan.
 
Healy:  Hiya.
 
Listener:  Listen, I'm glad to hear that Jerry's playing more of the
MIDI. It sounds great.
 
Healy:  Well, you know what happened, was that when he first got it, it
was such a huge step to take that for a while he would step on a button
and the thing would be exploding and stuff.  But in his perfect Jerry
style, he's actually been getting down on it and working with it and he
spends a lot of time -- I think more than people imagine -- working and
hanging out at the shop and hanging out at the rehearsal studio and
working out bugs and flaws in the system.  All of you guys who really
pay attention to that stuff may have noticed that at the last shows in
Oakland, when he'd step into his MIDI stuff it didn't just go ape....I
can't say that word.... The upshot of what I'm trying to say is that as
far as I'm concerned, hooray for Jer, because he's not a slouch and
he's on the case.
 
Listener:  Yeah, I mean that and the combination of Candace's work, I
just have to say something, it's been incredible just to watch that
component. And then all you guys, there's like seven or eight people
there now...
 
Healy:  Absolutely!  Absolutely.  Candace [Brightman], in my opinion,
is the greatest lighting director walking the face of this earth
today.
 
Listener: Oh, yeah.  It's just liquid, the colors and the arrangements.
Is there any connection other than with her doing the programming with
the music itself?  I mean is there any connection, are the instruments
actually...
 
Gans:  Oooh, what a concept!
 
Healy:  Any connection is symbiotic.  It is actually not...although she
has been experimenting with actually direct-connecting equipment and
stuff like that.
 
Listener:  One other quick thing:  is Branford [Marsalis] at all going
to come back in the neighborhood?
 
Healy:  Absolutely!  There's no real set dates, and that's not the kind
of thing that's formally organized, but in truth scenes like that come
and go and certainly we're open to it.
 
Listener:  He seemed to be having a good time on New Year's.  It was great.
 
Healy:  Yeah, it sounded great.
 
Listener:  OK.  Onward.
 
Gans:  Thanks.  You're on the air.
 
Listener:  Hello, three quick questions.  Number one, who was the drummer who
sat in on the second set Thursday night?
 
Gans:  Olatunji and Sikiru and one other guy whose name I didn't catch.
 
Healy:  Thank you, David
 
Gans:  Don't ask him that; he's ninety feet away...
 
Listener:  Kind of a dumb questions, but....
 
Healy:  No, but let me elaborate a little bit.  You have to understand
that Mickey doesn't always tell you what he's planning to spring on
you.  That night what happened was at set break Cameron, our road
manager and manager, came to me and said "ten minutes" and then about a
minute after that Robbie [Taylor, stage manager] came to me and said
"Mickey wants you on the stage."  I went up there and Mickey said "By
the way, I'm planning to have this and I need these microphones and
stuff."  So that's about all the warning I get, so often I'm not
necessarily privy to what's being planned unless it's happening.
 
Gans:  So you had vocal mikes for [Olatunji] and percussion mikes and extra
stuff...
 
Healy:  I had six extra microphones that I sort of had to manifest in
five minutes, which is OK and I love doing it, but don't expect me to
be accurate about names and all that at the same time.  Although I
don't mean any disrespect.  Question two...
 
Listener:  What are the computer monitors for in the mixing booth?
 
Healy:  There are two sets.  Are you referring to Candace's light booth
or are you referring to my booth?
 
Listener:  The booth in the center of the floor.
 
Healy:  OK, there's two tiers to that: there's a forward and rear half.
The big ones that you see that are real bright, that's the lighting
system, that's Candace's action.
 
Listener:  There's printers running off the top of them.
 
Healy:  Alright, that's my booth, and what that's doing is registering
print-outs of equalization curves during the show that we now have the
ability to do, that gives us a chance to define what's going on with
our interface to the room versus us and our equipment.
 
Listener:  Oh, that's cool.
 
Healy:  Yeah, and question three?
 
Listener:  Question three:  why are the ushers at the Coliseum such jerks?
 
Healy:  They're not jerks.  If you had jerks standing in the way all
the time that you had to deal with, then there would be a serious
discussion over who's the real jerks.
 
Listener:  They seem to get a little out of hand...
 
Gans:  They come and they go....
 
Healy:  They don't.  I have to tell you something; let me set the
record straight:  my security guys are really right on people and they
will not hassle with anybody anytime...
 
Gans:  Oh, I don't think he's talking about the booth security; it's
the redcoats up in the Coliseum.  But I don't think that's really a
question for Healy...
 
Healy:  I don't think that you should really think they're part of the
show. I mean, I think that's one of those things like other things that
happen to you while walking down the street;  they're not necessarily
germaine to what's going on there.  In essence, you can't expect them
to be tuned in.
 
Listener:  No, but they detract from what's going on there....
 
Healy:  They definitely do, but that's a mutual problem. But I think
that we're sort of stuck with them because, for one thing, fire laws
and all of that mandate that there has to be people who are aware of
where all the exits are, so I think that's just one of the things that
we just have to deal with and I can only tell you what I do:  I do the
best I can to just not hassle with them or not notice them that much.
 
Gans:  Hello, you're on the air.
 
Listener:  Hey Dan, talking about the upfront tapers, I wondered what
is the scoop?  Because it seems like things are getting pretty tough on
that.
 
Healy:  Let me just talk a little bit about that, because that's a big
rub.  First of all, it really presents a hassle.  Back before there was
a taping section, it got to be such a hassle that I got a mandate from
the band and this is what they said -- and I, by the way, am still
peeved about this -- "Dan, _your_ tapers are causing trouble."  And
what I mean by that kind of trouble is people pushing other people
around, because here's what happened:  there'd be like a little
fourteen-year-old and his girlfriend come back to me with tears in
their eyes saying "I just got beat up and thrown out of the way because
somebody said they had my seat."  Now, this is more specifically
designed towards assigned seat places, saying "I got the right to be
here and they threw me out."  To make a long story short, there became
a rub about it.  So what happened is that the band came to me and said:
"You're gonna have to deal with this, man."  And so it looked for a
while like no more tapers.  So somebody, and I can't remember who it
was now -- it wasn't me, but I wish it was -- but somebody flashed: "I
know, let's create a tapers' section."  And under the new rules of the
tapers' section, tapers actually would have rights, where prior to that
they didn't have rights.  And so I said that sounds like a good idea,
let's create the tapers' section.  So what that means is if you're in
the tapers' section, you actually have a right to be there, but if you
migrate up towards the front, which I know some people do, you're doing
two things wrong.  One is you're trashing a fairly cool trip that's
permitted only in our shows and nowhere else; two, you're making a
scene that's creating the jeopardy of the tapers' section, because
you're taking it more back into the space of "There will be no taping
at all." All the tapers have to do is they have to decide what they
want to do. If they want to risk it, then they're going to have the
wrath of all the security people and all of doomsday on them, or
they're going to have to comply with hanging out in the tape section.
 
Listener:  Well, thanks for giving up that tape section...
 
Healy:  Well, I think so, and I think the really hip thing to do
is...let me just tell you, and this is going to be a big piece of news
(and this is with respect to the Oakland Coliseum only):  most of the
time you're right behind me at the mix board.  Other people besides
myself, for their own convenience -- basically the volleyball game --
(grumble, grumble) have put pressure on me, unbearable pressure on me,
to move the tapers up to the back in the seating back there...
 
Gans:  An audio hell, you mean?
 
Healy:  Well, I don't think that, I wouldn't say that, but the point is
that I think that what might be expected at Oakland in the future is
that the tapers might have equal rights to the volleyball game.
 
Listener:  That sounds good.  How about a big set of patches that we
can just patch into the board?
 
Healy:  Maybe someday in heaven, man.
 
Gans:  Hello, you're on the air.
 
Listener:  Hi, I was curious if you know if Vince is planning to ever use a
Hammond B-3?
 
Healy:  Actually, it isn't a question of Vince, it's a question of the
mechanics of having a Hammond organ there and getting isolation on the
sound of the speakers and so on and so forth.  And while I personally
really miss the sound of the B-3, I am looking towards.... I'm waiting
for Vince to have an opportunity to get familiar enough with all the
material. In other words, in my mind he still has slack and space to
get into the groove, which, by the way, I mean to say he's doing
extremely well.  I think that what will happen is that myself, with the
help of Bob Bralove -- who is probably the MIDI wizard of the universe
-- there will be MIDI'd, synthetic versions of Hammond that actually
won't let us down, and I think that we're going to probably move into
that space.  The truth of the matter is that that's an archaic device
and it's mechanically unfeasible on a rock and roll stage.  But at the
same time, musically all of us appreciate it because of the sound that
it makes, so the obvious answer is that the endeavor is to create
something synthetically that won't be a letdown.
 
Listener:  I'd like to just say, also, that I think Vince's playing at this
last show was just incredible.
 
Healy:  Well, I have to second that with you.
 
Gans:  Absolutely.
 
Listener:  I hope things are going to work out.  Oh, one other question: is
Bruce Hornsby going to play with the band anymore?
 
Healy:  Oh yeah.  He had his own commitments for these last shows. And
let me just run that down:  the structure is that Vince is the regular
keyboard player.  If and when Bruce has opportunities to do stuff, he
will be with us because he has his own schedule and his own life and
his own touring scene.  And so whenever it can fit together it will,
and when it can't, it's OK that it doesn't.
 
Listener:  He is still interested in playing with the band?
 
Healy:  Absolutely, it's not anything like that, it's purely a matter of the
mechanics of putting it all together.
 
Listener:  Well, that's great.
 
Gans:  Thanks for calling.  You know, in all the calls we've gotten we
have not gotten the one question that I was expecting that was our
in-cue to the next thing we've got up there.
 
Healy:  David, I can't even begin to...oh OK, I'm only a little bit thick.
[laughter]  Why doesn't somebody ask about "One From The Vault"?
 
Gans:  That's correct.  Well, we'll just have to bring it up.
 
Healy:  Here's what it is:  we have decided, or I have decided,  to
play the first amalgam if you will -- I always think of the dentist
when I hear the word "amalgam" [laughter] -- of "One From The Vault."
There will subsequently be, hopefully, Two From The Vault, Three From
The Vault, etc.  We picked one of the juiciest parts of "One From The
Vault," which is also the lead-off two tunes.
 
Gans:  This is a one-off concert from 1975 when the band wasn't
perfoming very much and it was in a very tiny venue, the Great American
Music Hall.
 
Healy:  When we completed "Blues for Allah," which -- this is in the
liner notes, by the way -- [was] in the days of Round Records, which
was the Grateful Dead's record company, and we had a
celebration/release party at the Great American Music Hall of "Blues
for Allah."  And what we decided to do to celebrate the release of the
album was to pick up lock, stock and barrel, go to the Great American
Music Hall, and perform the album "Blues for Allah" live.  And so we
recorded those tapes multi-track, we also broadcast it live, and it's
probably one of the most collected tapes of our tapes; or I'm told
that's true.
 
Gans:  The hardcore tapers out there are going "so why are you
releasing this when we already have it, man?"
 
Healy:  Because it kicks butt.
 
[Help on the Way->Slipknot!]
 
Gans:  I want you to talk about this thing you're doing for H.E.A.R.,
Hearing Education and Awareness for Rockers.  A bunch of you old deaf
guys, you and Fred Catero and....
 
Healy:  Well, I think that you can have fun and listen to music and not
trash your ears, too.  But I also think that...I'll tell you what
happened to me. One of the things that you read a lot is that earphones
are a lot more detrimental than anything else...
 
Gans:  I'm taking 'em off now...
 
Healy:  They really are.  Here in this studio you wouldn't have to
worry about that because there's nothing below 200 cycles or above 5000
cycles and only about a tenth of a billionth of a watt. [laughter]  I
personally feel that the majority of my hearing damage -- let me tell
you something, you guys, every night when I go to sleep, I take my FM
radio and I put it where there's no station and I listen to [what] guys
in the biz call "random noise".  And I'll tell you why, because my ears
ring really loud, and I personally feel that it came mostly from
earphones.  But I've also played, in all the years of the Healy-Treece
Band and all of that, in front of loud amplifiers and stuff.  And one
of the things I'm hoping to do is tell the most accurate version of the
story that I can, but it comes down to this: there's no question about
it, you can trash your ears.  Which is something that doesn't come
back.  You cut off a finger, it's gone.  You trash your ears, they're
gone.  And it doesn't happen like cutting off your fingers, it happens
in the sense of the return is an horrendously high ambient noise level
in your mind, if you will...
 
Gans:  It's a gradual process, too, isn't it?
 
Healy:  Well, actually, I claim to feel that I know when I did it to
myself, and it was administered through earphones.
 
Gans:  For me it was Neil Young at Keystone Palo Alto and it was just
the right side and it took about a week.
 
Healy:  Well, I got a beef on my left side about Keith Godchaux in the
Healy-Treece Band, but it comes down to this:  if it hurts or if it
feels good but seems strange, there's a definite reality that you may
be injuring your ears.
 
Gans:  We've got about five minutes; should we do the Nordine thing?
 
Healy:  I think so.  Can we spend a minute here?  This is a treat and a
treasure...
 
Gans:  Absolutely...
 
Healy:  ...the idea of which I got from David initially.... We were
planning the New Year's broadcast and he said: "By the way, Ken
Nordine, I just got [the] re-release on CD of his original stuff."  Ken
Nordine.  You either know or you don't know who he is.  Anyway, we had
an opportunity to invite him to come to do the New Year's Eve broadcast
with us. And in between the broadcast this is a little something we did
on tape, whereby we drug Garcia, Mickey, Hamza and myself and David and
Ken Nordine and we did some of his poetry behind the music of those
guys and we want to play a little taste of this.  It will blow your
socks right off; if it doesn't, you got something wrong with you.
 
Gans:  This was something we did in the back room of the Coliseum
before New Year's, but you guys had so much fun doing this.... that
Monday [February 25] Dan engineered and produced a session with Ken.
He came out and did another reading of his great stuff in front of the
Garcia/Grisman organization...
 
Healy:  ...yeah, through the good graces of those guys, and that'll
blow you away.  We're gonna play the Coliseum version before
that....but there's some good stuff comin'.
 

re:  <<< Note 33.102 by OCTOBR::GRABAZS "sugar magnolia blossoms blooming" >>>
 
>sense] of "Hey, you know there's a lot of stuff that's gone on in the
>past that warrants looking back into."  So I think it's a combination
>of Vince joining us -- it's a juncture point, it's an opportunity to go
>back through everything and pull stuff out -- and I know for sure that
>there's more to come along those lines.
 
YAHOOO!!  This right from the horse's mouth.  I can't wait to see what else
is to come!!

>There will subsequently be, hopefully, Two From The Vault, Three From
>The Vault, etc.  We picked one of the juiciest parts of "One From The
>Vault," which is also the lead-off two tunes.
 
Well, if Healy ever decides to run for president, he's got *my* vote!!
8-)!!

Thanks for typing that in, Debess, it was rilly inneresting reading.

peace,
t!ng

>Healy-Treece Band, but it comes down to this:  if it hurts or if it
>feels good but seems strange, there's a definite reality that you may
>be injuring your ears.

Uh oh, _everything_ I listen to "feels good but seems strange"...

:-) 


Thanks fer posting that Debess!!!

Fog

    in todays worester telegram 
    dead bypass worcester for garden
    six nights in sept garden denies contract sighned
    centrum says they told dead city has not changed its views on the
    deadheads. worcester mayor says dead are welcome back
    dennis mcnally dead spokes person says dead would like letter
    from city saying dead are welcome. worcester chamber of commerce
    says dead are geat for business.
    dead spokes person says dead would rather play worcester building
    more comfertable than garden and cheaper
    but dead don,t feel wanted?
    
    
    imo all this means is look for boys here in spring 92
    

excuse the typos, it's late...

				CONCERT HOPE HERE DEAD
		Boston Garden has Grateful expectations for September

				by Roy Nilson
				   Senior Editor for Community Affairs
				   Worcester Telegram and Gazette, 5/29/91

Followers of the Grateful Dead take note:  Your favorite band apparently will 
be bypassing Worcester to play 6 dates at Boston Garden this September.

Steve Nazro, events coordinator at the Garden, said: "I'm not sure we are ready 
to announce that yet.  We don't have a signed contract.  But I think we are in 
real good shape...There won't be any ticket sales for a very long time."

The Dead has not played the  Worcester Centrum since April 1988.  Several City 
Councilors made it clear that the bannd would not be welcomed back after 
followers of the band camped out near the Centrum, littering downntown lots 
with garbage, congrrgating on the front yards of homes on Belmont Hill, and 
reportedly disrupting traffic downtown.

The Dead bypassed Worcester two year ago, costing the Centrum an estimated 
$200,000 in profit, according to Centrum General Manager Richard A. Krezwick.  
Last year, the bannd  played Foxboro Stadium.

'NOTHING HAS CHANGED'
"This time, when (the band) called, they said they won't come back to Worcester 
unless things havve changed significantly.  I had to tell them that nothing has 
changed," Krezwick said.

He estimated that six sold-out Centrum shows would generate $55,000 to $60,000 
in profit per show.  Half of  that profit would go to the city.

Mayor Jordan Levy said he has no problem with the Dead, but that the city could 
not  control its fans.  Levy said  Centrum official asked  the council to 
reconsider.  He said he would be willing to talk about having the Dead back if 
someone would guarantee crowd control.

Dennis McNally, Grateful Dead spokesman, said, "The last time we were there, we 
made the city of Worcester uncomfortable, I think."

The band is aware of its image and reputation.  Dead officials have taken steps
in recent years to conntrol its followers after facing similar problems  in 
several cities throughout the country.

"We don't need a  complete kick in the face to take  the  many millions we
bring to a city to somebody that wants it more,"  McNally said.

He said the Centrum "is a more comfortable hall" than the Boston Garden.  "I 
don't handle bookings, but we go where we are  wanted.  As I have been saying 
for five years, we are guests where we go and  we know  that.  A simple 
invitation from the people who passed resolutions against us would help.  A 
letter from the City Council saying that the Grateful Dead is welcome in 
Worcester, all is forgiven, come home children, would help."

Bernadette Colburn of the Worcester COunty Convention and Visitor Bureau said a 
person coming into town for  a  concert spends, on average, $100 per day.  If  
they stay in a hotel, they contribute directly to the city budget through the 
rooms tax and "that has nothing to do with restaurants, buying clothing, or 
filling their  cars with gas."

Rick West of Pro-Park, the company that runs the city owned parking at the 
Centrum, says the Grateful Dead  is "one of the most profitable groups we have 
ever had come to Worcester.  They fill every parking space everywhere and every 
hotel room in Worcester County."

"It's fun, it's profitable, and I'd love to see them come back."

> Several City Councilors made it clear that the bannd would not be welcomed 
> back after followers of the band:

> camped out near the Centrum

Oh my!!!  What heathens!!

> littering downntown lots with garbage

With **GARBAGE**???    How _***DISGUSTING***_!!!!   Oh my!!!!

> congrrgating on the front yards of homes on Belmont Hill

I'll bet people were afraid to come out of their homes and were confined
for days, for fear of being hugged by a stranger!   

> reportedly disrupting traffic downtown.

Oh well now that does it!  J-walking while approaching the Centrum cannot and
I repeat, WILL not, be tolerated!   

Get a grip Worcester...  

Seriously, I hope the dead can return to Worcester because a) it's within 15-20
mins of my house, b) the sound there is great IMO, and c) there have been some 
great shows there.    Dealing with the city's attitude is just a distraction
which can be ignored.

Ken

    
    > Oh well now that does it!  J-walking while approaching the Centrum
    > cannot and I repeat, WILL not, be tolerated!
    
    You ain't kidding.  Years ago in college, my friend was arrested
    before a Worcester show for "crossing against the cop".  To make
    matters worse, he had recently ingested some veggies whose properties
    he was then able to enjoy in a Worcester jail cell for the next several
    hours.  :-/
    
    

    im from worcester and want the boys back
    but both the city and band mangement need to get act together
    as ive said before i work part time the don law security company
    and sometimes i get a little more info than most people.
    i make it a habit not to work the dead because i don,t realy
    wan,t to get into it with other heads.but the last time dead
    played worcester dead put out due not allow anyone to stand
    around building we have a problem with gate crashers.this i believe
    is what caused j walking etc. police did not handle this well 
    and in general handle it abusively.
    i do not blame police or band i blame centrum mangement
    they are run by spectacor and run most arenas in the country
    and due plenty of dead shows.
    also the litter on sunday was bad but was no worse than any other dead
    show. but centrum mangement put in local paper dead will clean up and
    pay for it . but i guess they forgot to inform band about the article
    they had in paper a week before came here.
    we can bitch about arrests but there were 115 arrests the first night
    at least 105 for drugs and one guy had 10 pounds of weed.
    by the way i my self was picked up that night and spent first set
    at wpd i don,t blmae cops i blame my self for being stupid.
    also the dead mangement is pulling some leg here also
    last falls cleveland shows were suppose to be in worcester
    but centrum had commitments for those dates.
    here are me ideas for getting dead back
    open state park on lake quinsigmond for camping with bathouse use
    use younger cops not older more bigoted cops
    and pickup after your self
    and centrum and band mangement work better together
    and avoid weekend dates for first time back
    

    
    which mcintyre are you ?  the real one or the virtual one?
    
    c

    Joe (it is Joe, right?) 
    I dig your style of noting...kinda reminds me of the jacket liners
    Little Feat has done for years, starting with lowell.
                                                         rfb

	Well, I think the Worc City management is kind of stupid.  Right now,
with the problems MA is having, I'd welcome just about anything to help pump
cash into the economy.  Even more so if I owned some sort of business in 
Wormtown.  I can't believe that the business people in Worcester aren't 
pleading with the ones who make the decisions!!

	Cops, the dead, deadheads, the Radio, etc. all have to work together 
to come up with a solution.  Letting older folks, who do not understand the
dead scene, try to come up with a solution won't work!  Getting
opinions from 'heads that have seen shows across the country would help
tremendously, I would think.  The Radio needs to CLEARLY announce to the
listening audience to STAY AWAY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TICKET.  Many times, I've
heard the radio say things like "come on down to the Centrum; the dead is in
town and its a cool scene!" -- exactly what the boyz don't want to see.

	Simple communication would solve 90% of the problems.

    anyway dead tickets could go on sale anytime now for beantown.
    save your money . never trust the garden when they say tickets
    won,t go on sale for a long while.
    buy the way if your ever at great woods this summer
    look me up . right now only their weekends because i,m working
    2nd shift here. you can,t miss me i,m 6,4 290 and i,m usually
    around back stage door and i have long black hair. not the crew cut
    look of great woods admin would like

re older folks who do not understand the dead scene

Y'mean, younger folks do?  ;^)

- Dave_who_is_now_part_of_the_age_group_that_can't_be_trusted

    
    Yeah - I love the mindset that thinks if you were born after JFK's 
    assassination, then you surely understand.  Then there is that whole
    other set of people who would answer that by saying 'who's JFK?  He's
    before my time.'  
    
    like Shakespeare 
    like Mary Shelly
    like Frankenstein
    
    :-)

    from the Worcester Telegram & Gazette Opinion page, this was written by
    the papers Editorial Writers. 
    
    
    			     COLOR US TIE-DYED
    
    	The Grateful Dead's "long, strange trip" got a little stranger a
    couple of years back when the Worcester City Council decided to try and
    force the venerable rock group's camp followers to clean up their act.
    	Evidently, the ragtag Deadheads - fans - made a bit of a mess of
    things, and a couple of councilors tried to bar the band from the city.
    	Luckily, wiser heads prevailed, and nothing came of the sanctions.
    However, the Grateful Dead seem to have taken the snub to heart.
    	The band bypassed Worcester two years ago, and will do the same
    this fall to play dates at the Boston Garden.
    	That's no small loss to Worcester. The concerts usually means a
    $200,000 profit to be split 50-50 by the Centrum and the city, plus
    spin-off to hotels and restaurants.
    	Those who consider that an acceptable loss should think again. If
    Worcester gets a reputation for being parochial, bush leauge or hostile
    to touring performers, the long-term financial damage to the Centrum -
    and the city - could be significant.
    	The remarkable success of the arena is due to in large measure to
    the absence of political interference in its management.
    	Contrary to the prejudices of some residents, few bands have
    exhibited more concern than the Grateful Dead about the behavior of
    their fans. And while the Sinatra-and-Ice-Capades set may consider the
    tie-dyed Deadheads odd - startling, even - seldom have their offenses
    been more serious the littering.
    	There is a chance to lure the Grateful Dead to the Centrum for
    future concerts, if not this fall. We urge Spectacor Management to
    ignore the naysayers, roll out the welcome mat and give it their best
    shot.

    SURE can tell new tg owners are from bay area maybe a head or 2
    think spring 92

    ok im sorry i indited all older wpd
    i,m also a fifties child
    and when working a metalica concert wpd were heard to i,ll take 
    2 weeks of the dead than one night of this sh_t

Dayton Daily News - May 31, 1991
 
Living For the Dead:  Deadicated fans grateful for their band.
 
By Dave Larsen (reproduced without permission).
 
        Every band has its own faithful fans, but none rival the
colorful phenomenon of the Grateful Dead's dedicated following.
It's one thing to catch your favorite act on its annual trip
through town.  It's another to ditch the trappings of your everyday
existence and follow that band from city to city for every show on
its tour.
 
        Deadheads are more of an extended family than a typical
concert audience.  They use one of two national hot lines to keep
track of the Dead's touring itinerary, order tickets for faraway
venues by mail and - with the band's blessing - make and trade
bootleg tapes of each performance.
 
        What is it about a 25-year-old psychedelic rock band that
demands such devotion?  Could it be that the Dead's concerts are
the last bastion of the counterculture - a haven for hundreds of
thousands of hippies unwilling to hang up their tie-dyes?  "It's
more than a concert.  It's like a gathering, man," says Howard
Shook, manager of Ye Olde Trail Tavern in Yellow Springs.  
 
        William Shakespeare said "the play's the thing," but for many
fans, the pre-concert party is as important as the performance
itself.  "Hanging out in the parking lot playing Frisbee and Hacky-
Sack is part of the experience," says Shook, who will be seeing the
Dead for the seventh time next weekend at Buckeye Lake Music
Center.
 
        Dean Geraci, a Deadhead from Colorado Springs, Colo., who has
seen the band more than 50 times says it's the music that keeps him
coming back.  "The carnival is there, but it's not the reason you
go.  It's not the reason I go anyway.  For some people the carnival
in the whole gig.  For me it's not."
 
        The Grateful Dead's performances are free-form excursions into
improvisation and musical expression.  The quality of each concert
depends on the chemistry among the band members on any given
evening.  With no pre-planned set list, the Dead has never played
the same show twice.
 
        Geraci enjoys "the complexity, the resolving of phrases, the
way they interplay with each other, and then just the pure
musicianship."  "They're fairly unique in the use of rhythm," says
Dr. John Sherriff of Kettering.  "They use a lot of different
tempos, and ... as I was attracted to the sound of their music,
later on I realized how it differed somewhat from other bands."
 
        Sherriff doesn't fit the typical image of a Deadhead - he's
a dentist.  He is not, however, atypical.  Despite the popular
notion of Deadheads being brain-dead drop-outs from society, many
are college students or well-educated professionals.  Geraci, for
example, is a senior development engineer doing fiber optic
reserach for Spectranetics in Colorado Springs.
 
        "I do consider myself a Deadhead - a professional Deadhead,"
says Adam Day, an account executive for a Boston-based
manufacturing firm.  "I actually work for a living and am a normal
taxpaying citizen of the United States."  Still, because of the
dregs that do make up part of the Dead's following, some feel a
stigma is attached to the term.  Dayton firefighter Ted Blackshear
has been a loyal fan since 1976, but doesn't call himself a
Deadhead "because there are too many negative connotations to
that."  Even Day, who has seen the band almost 60 times and has
tickets for the Buckeye Lake show, jokes about joining D.A. -
Deadheads Anonymous:  "Hello, my name is Adam, I am a Deadhead."
 
        While it's easy for younger fans on break from school to pack
up and join the summer caravan, professionals have to work shows
into their schedules.  "I take vactaion days or personal days," Day
says.  "If it's a weekend show and you have to drive somewhere, you
can usually take a Friday or a Monday and go."  "I'll try to take
some vactaion time and go see like four in a row," say Geraci, who
plans to attend next week's shows at Deer Creek Music Center.  "It
depends on the date and the time and the venue, and if it can be
fit in, go do it."
 
        While Blackshear has sometimes seen three or four shows on a
tour, he says he has never really made a vacation of it like some
people do.  "I'll try to catch them once a year when they get
around this area."  This year that will be at Buckeye Lake.  For
some, touring with the Dead can be along the lines of a family trip
to Disney World.  "My son is now almost 18, but he saw his first
show when he was 9 and he would tour with us," says Donna Hochman,
co-owner of Ryan's Restaurant in Bar Harbor, Maine.  "We would take
him out of school and do this whole family thing."
 
        Blackshear has taken his daughter Molly, 5, to two Dead shows. 
"She had a great time both years," he says.  "She made a lot of
friends."  Hochman, whose restaurant is decorated entirely with
photos, posters, and autographs of the Dead, followed the group for
20 years and has seen between 300 and 400 shows.  "It was a
consuming passion," she says.  "We have a restaurant in a tourist
town, so summer was out, but we would take off in September, right
after Labor Day, and we would do the whole tour, and then we'd go
out to San Francisco at New Year's time."
 
        "It was the camaraderie," she says.  "Friends we were seeing
at the different shows - that was a big part of it."  Day agrees: 
"It's a nice opportunity to get together with friends that you
don't get to see often because they don't live in the same area. 
It's like a central point.  We all have the same common interest,
so if the Dead's playing near where they live, we all truck down
there and get together and see the band."
 
        Another big attraction is just being able to shake your bones. 
"It's one of the few places I can let go and dance for three, four
hours straight," Blachshear says.  "The atmosphere is really nice,"
says Sherriff, who, with the addition of the Buckeye show, will
have seen the Dead more than 20 times.  "The people that are there
are - although on the exterior they appear pretty wild - they'r
really tranquil, and real friendly, and they kind of treat
everybody there as part of a big family.
 
        "For the most part it's a fairly consistent crowd.  Of course,
it's grown older with the band, and I think part of what makes some
of the shows so nice is that, to some degree, it's an older crowd. 
It's people who have grown up and matured and basically kept
themselves alive and healthy and are still out there seeing the
Dead and doing whatever they do in the rest of their lives."  As
for his tour plans, the Deadhead Dentist says, "As long as they're
still playing, I'll keep seeing them."
 

RE:    from the Worcester Telegram & Gazette Opinion page
    
THIS is refreshing reading...wouldn't it be just great to have a complete
turnaround and have cities BEGGING to have us come instead of BANNING
us as undesirables...I LOVE IT!

Debess

    Don't hold your breath Debess..
    								/
    

    todays boston herald
    the boys will on abc in concert series
    series starts this friday no date announced for dead show
    just said they would be one of the shows
    14 shows
    starts this friday 12 est.
                                           

re:< Note 33.123 by JUPITR::MCINTYRE >
>                                -< dead on tv >-
>
>    todays boston herald
>    the boys will on abc in concert series
>    series starts this friday no date announced for dead show
>    just said they would be one of the shows
>    14 shows
>    starts this friday 12 est.

Thanks for reminding me.  I noticed that the premiere show will feature 3 metal
bands (Cinderella is one, I forgot the rest).

Good to hear the dead will be on!  I wonder what show it will be?  I hope it's
not a rehashing of the Summer Solstice show from June '89.

adam

    I think their going live or taped delayed shows
    not tapes of acts like mtv . at least thats the way it sounded in
    article. maybe someone has info. 

    If it's on at midnight EST, then I doubt it's live - unless the
    Dead's playing in Hawaii (hmmmm... interesting possibility :-). I 
    can see other bands being on live from the West Coast at that time 
    if they have a warm-up act, but not the Dead unless they're just doing 
    the second set. Hmmm...maybe that's it. They're probably only doing one 
    set for the Dead.
    
    - Gerry

Someone care to provide more details, like, what channel, what time, how long,
how often, and what are the dates?

    Jc, you know as much as we all do on this one . it will be on ABC on
    friday nites a midnight.
    
    Chris

     There is a very nice picture( suitable for framing) of Bob Weir and 
    Rob Wasserman in the current issue of "Rolling Stone".  They are in
    a GAP advertisement...
    
                 DaveB.

Bob wearing GAP jeans?  Hmmm, I always thought we was a LEVIS kinda dude!

                  DISTURBANCE MARS RFK CONCERT
             (REPRINTED WITHOUT PERMISSION WASHINGTON POST 6/15/91)
    
    
    About 100 Grateful Dead concertgoers taunted police and hurled bottles
    in a parking lot outside RFK Stadium last night,injuring an undercover
    detective and a police officer, U.S. Park Police said.
    
    The confrontation, which lasted about 20 minutes, erupted in parking
    lot 8 just after 7p.m., when an unidentified man whom police
    were trying to arrest on drug charges"started to incite the crowd by
    yelling and screaming",Park Police Lt. Patrick F. O'Brien said.
    
    dozen of officers from the Park Police and the D.C. police departments
    moved in to quell the disturbance. Three concertgoers,including 
    the man who allegedly started the incident, were arrested. one injurged
    officer was taken to George Washington University Hospital,
    the other injured officer was taken to Washington Hospital Center both
    with head and facial injuries. Their names were not released.
    
    Park Police arrested at least 14 other people on drug and disorderly
    conduct charges in the first two hours of the concert.
    
    *************************************************************************
    I was parked in Lot 7, and missed this since the concert started
    at 6:00pm, and most people were inside. Security was more obnoxious
    then usual, motorcycles,horses,undercover,rent a cops, and my favorite
    was the 4 people stealing shirts from the walking vendors. This
    almost started a riot, when people complained to the police, the police
    stopped the 4, and found out they were hired by ____ to confiscate
    anyone trying to sell shirts. After producing a paper they showed
    to the police, they were allowed to continue, however people
    began following them, and tipping off people. I was not aware
    of the parking lot issue until I opened the paper this morning.
    
    
    
    

    Hired by _______???? 
                         rfb

    I did not hear the name correctly, sounded like Brockman or something
    like that.

Way to go FBI! - In Friday's Daily News: 
 
A counterfiet ticket ring that made a killing from sold-out
Grateful Dead concerts across the country was smashed when FBI agents raided
a Queens (NY) print shop yesterday. The 11 member ring exclusively targeted
the popular rouck band because the group has attraceed a cult-like following of
fans - known through the music world as Dead Heads - who shop up without tickets
to sold-out concerts. Nine members of the ring are still at large.
 
Ring members jetted across the country to sold-out Dead concerts, and had a
field day with unsuspecting fans who forked over from $20 to $50 for the
worthless tickets.
 
The scam resulted in the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue to
the Grateful Dead and the defrauding of their fans.
 
The raiders seized 2 counterfeit printing plates and confiscated 2000 tickets
to the Giants Stadium shows.
 
The arrests and seizures capped a FBI probe that began when the agency received
a tip that the ring was planning to peddle phony tickets at 2 Dead concerts in
Phoenix last Dec 8 and 9.
 
Undercover FBI agents bought tickets ranging from $20 to $30 from ring members
hawking them in front of Compton Terrace. The tickets were later found to be
counterfeit, lacking both the watermarks and the dot matrix printing of the
real ones.
 
Posing as ticket-less Deadheads, the agents followed the ring and bought tickets
for 5 concerts that were held in Landover, MD; Albany, NY, Orlando, FLA; and
Las Vergas between March 17 and April 28 of this year.
 
More than 3000 phony tickets were confiscated by security officials outside the
arenas and turned over to the FBI. At least that many purchasers got in to see
the concerts with the bogus stubs.
 
The 2 ring members captured (Jaime Nino and Joseph (The Fish) Dire) were 
released on a recognizance bond following their arrtignment. They each face
maximum 20-year prison terms and $275,000 fines if convicted. Arrest warrants
have been issued for 9 other alleged ring members.

This was in the Spokane, WA newspaper this morning:  (reprinted w/o
permission, naturally)
DEAD GRATEFUL FOR ARRESTS
New York - Federal agents smashed a counterfeiting ring that peddled
thousands of phony tickets for performances across the country by the
Grateful Dead, officials said Thursday.  Two alleged ringleaders were
arrested.  "They were making some big money, I would say in the hundreds
of thousands of dollars" Assistant US Attorney Jack Wenik said.  FBI agents
who raided a printing plant in the borough of Queens late Wednesday found 2,000
fake tickets for Grateful Dead shows Sunday and Monday at Giants Stadium in New
Jersey, authorities said.  The ring was suspected of hawking thousands of
forged tickets for $20 to $50 each to "Deadheads" - fans of the popular
psychedelic rock group - at concerts in Arizona, Maryland, New York and else-
where, Wenik and FBI spokesman Joseph Valiquette said.  "Outstanding news!"
band spokesman Dennis McNally said of the arrests.  "This is no mom and pop
small time stuff."  He said counterfeiters had been plaguing the band on and
off for years.

    this is why i don,t work security for dead shows .
    the people doing bootleg t shirt detail work for local promoter
    assigned to the dead mercandiser they get court injunction
    to take away any shirt with dead patent logo.
    i know this makes local security look like jerks
    only one place to lay blame dead mangement.
    the only do this at places they think they can control.
    i watched a few years ago they got injunction at foxboro
    and took bootlegs. then a week later at giants they did nothing
    seems to me due at all venues or none. i know it seems little guy
    gets picked on . but they are real looking for pros with say
    5000  bootleg tour shirts in there hotel rooms . and some times 
    they get lucky but most 10 or 20 shirts

Re: Riot Stuff

At Giants Stadium, they had a version of this article along with some
commentary posted on some of the walls.

The commentary basically pleaded to guilty/flagrant fans to stop the
crap out for fear of leaving the dead without a place to play. 

    
 
>Posing as ticket-less Deadheads, the agents followed the ring and bought 
>tickets for 5 concerts that were held in Landover, MD; Albany, NY, 
>Orlando, FLA; and Las Vergas between March 17 and April 28 of this year.
    
Now there's a job I'd a'liked!   Sure, boss ... I'll follow the ring !
    
    c 

On the front page of the WSJ Marketplace section on June 19, there appears an 
article on Ticketmaster.  They chart out the "service" charges for several 
events they sell tix for and guess who tops the list (not only on top of the 
list but also has the HIGHEST "service" charges)???  Yup, the boyz.
 
	EVENT			TICKET	  SERVICE CHARGE	TELEPHONE
				PRICE				HANDLING FEE%
					  OUTLET#  PHONE*	 	
	Grateful Dead		$25.00	   $4.50   $6.50	 $2.25
	Pittsburgh Pirates	  8.00      1.35    1.85          1.55
	L.A. Dodgers		  7.00	    1.50    1.75	  1.15
	Minnesota North Stars	 15.00	    1.25    1.50	  1.50
	Doobie Brothers		 24.50	    3.25    5.00	  1.55
	Alvin Alley Dance	 25.00	    2.25    2.75	  1.50
	L.A. Lakers		 11.50	    2.75    3.75	  2.05
	Julio Iglesias		 35.00	    3.50    5.00	  1.50
 
	# Per Ticket: Ticketmaster outlets require cash.
	* Per Ticket: Ticketmaster phone service requires a credit card.
	% Per Order, regardless of number of tickets ordered, if tickets
	  are mailed.
 
And some of the text:
 
	  Today, Ticketmaster charges averge about $2.50 a ticket and in
	some cases go much higher.  For a recent  rock concert by the
	Grateful Dead in Los Angeles, a $25.00 ticket carried a $6.50
	service charge when ordered by phone.
	  Ticketmaster officials argue that convenience and service don't 
	come cheap.  It's like home delivery of milk, says a spokesman.
	"You may not care about the price as long as it's fresh and cold."

They also go on to talk about the "Grateful Dead dispute" which arose because 
the Dead do the mailorder thing and Ticketshafter wanted to sell all the tix.  
they threatened not to sell GD tix at all.  As soon as the GD threatened to sue
Ticketshafter relented.  They had a quote fomr Bobby (may not be 
exact):"Ticketmaster could not let this get to the courts because they know 
they'd be facing antitrust action."  Someone from ticketmaster then said,
without commenting on the dispute itself, "I doubt Mr. Weir is qualified to 
address complex legal issues." 
 
<FLAME ON>
Why do these so-called service charges vary so much and WHO decided the Dead 
should be 20%+ higher than anyone else????  Is there some unbiased reason for 
this??  Because of the "dispute"?  Could it be the Dead managements partial 
fault by charging Ticketmaster too much for the rights to sell the tix?  I 
don't know the answers so please, if you know I'd love to hear it.
 
And sure, just like I want my milk "fresh and cold", I'd like a chance at some 
of the "prime" seats.  I got Bob n Rob tix less than 1 minute after they went 
on sale (as soon as the outlet's computer came on line) yesterday and the tix 
are 18 rows back.  I'm not really complaining but nonetheless that's at least 
around 900 "better" seats that were already gone.  Where did they go??  
Agencies??  Scalpers??
 
By the way, the outlet cash only "servie" charge for Bob n Rob was $3.50.
 
<FLAME OFF>
 
Peace,
Scott

>	"You may not care about the price as long as it's fresh and cold."


Aaaaahhhhhh ... capitalism.  ;^)

    A lot of times the promoters block off some of the best seats as favors
    to their sponsors and friends.  Front row seats often go that way.
    
    I'd be curious to know if Ticketmaster pays GDTS for the rights to sell
    tix, or if it's the other way around.  From what I've heard about TM,
    they not only charge the customer per ticket, they also charge the
    promoter/venue!  It may be capitalism, but only in the same sense as
    the scalpers.  I don't like it.
    
    tim
    

Scott,

Can you spell 	"C A P I T A L I S M"  ???

Thought so.

That is why I call 'em tickerSHAFTER.

If I had it my way, I'd have GDTS sell 'em all.


	JC

    YA! make everybody mail order and have MOSS!!!!! %^)
                                                        rfb

    
    Personally, I would like it if all tix were mailorder - everone has an
    equal chance and there is no need for sleeping out, braceletts, etc. 
    Of course there would have to be some way of preventing scalpers from
    flooding the mail with orders.  Maybe have a low ticket limit - also
    they have all our past 3x5 cards on file......there is no easy solution
    but I think this is better than catering to the largest scalper
    organization around - Ticketmaster....
    
    Happy Cheese-
    Jerry

    this brings back the talks of the Dead buying concert halls for thier
    use and rent to other bands. This might lock out companies like
    Ticketmasters and scalpers (hard to tell the difference now a days).
    
    Chris

    i could be mistaken but isn,t their a golden circle for bob and rob
    18 th row is pretty good if their was

    >i could be mistaken but isn,t their a golden circle for bob and rob
    >18 th row is pretty good if their was

Yup, my seats are in it I believe (sure cost about as much as gold!!).

Scott

What exactly is the gold circle?






Jim

    like a golden shower???
                           kinky_rfb

    
    generally "golden circle" refers to a selct group of seats/patrons
    that represent the best seats in the house...  often they are sold
    at a premium and include a special pre or post show gathering with
    members of the band, food, cocktails, etc...  if it's a benefit 
    show the extra $$  generally goes right to the charity...
    
    fer instance, the Dan Fogelberg show i recently checked out at GW
    had "gold circle" tix that went for $60 ea.  that got you a nice seat
    down front and a pre-show bbq with Dan and the band backstage...  the
    extra cash went to the wilderness society...
    
    					da ve

    i rember when centrum switched to ticketmaster paper said
    ticketron lost the contract to ticketmaster. because ticketmaster
    would give more money to centrum from ticket sales.also i know
    don law takes 15percent of house receipts for promoting shows he 
    takes less at orpheum and great woods because he owns orpheum and part 
    owner at great woods. so maybe some else knows how much house and band
    split from ticket sales.i never new there was more of a service charge
    for different shows.

    What have you heard about the congressional representative who
    attempted to get on stage with the Dead at RFK?
    
    KenB

The Dead will be on In Concert this Friday night (7/5) at Midnight.






Jim

    Jim, who else (if any) will also be on this show ? from the ones Ive
    seen so far they've had 3 bands on plus lots-o-ads ! 
    
    Chris

re:< Note 33.154 by DECXPS::HENDERSON "Thinking a lot about less & less" >

> The Dead will be on In Concert this Friday night (7/5) at Midnight.

I hope this is true.  Last week, TV Guide said Genesis was going to be on, but
they had Lenny Kravitz, Sinead O'Connor and I think INXS instead.

As for who else is on, I don't know, TV Guide just mentions the dead.

Do you really think the footage they shot at Giants Stadium will be on the
show?  It's only been 2 weeks, not much time to edit video footage, but it's
do-able.

adam

I don't know who else either...my son called me last night and told me about
it.




Jim

    	in todays Worcester Telegram.......
    
    		on the Letters to the Editor page, the pol comic pix.
    
    
    
    		two city works sitting on a stage with a banner over head
    that says "BAND - AID VII , Benefit concert to save Worcester"
    
    	one guy says to the other, "The Council and the Unions refuse to
    play......I guess that leaves us the Grateful Dead !"
    
    
    just one more jab at the city forfathers for passing up the Dead and
    the money they would bring to the city.
    
    Chris

    
    
    
    	Just got this from a friend in Chicago, thought it worth sharing:
     

	From the Monday June 24th Chicago Sun-Times, w/o permission:


	SURPRISES LIVEN UP DEAD
	By Michael Corcoran

	During intermission, after the first Grateful Dead set Saturday 
evening at Soldier Field, the dearly devoted compared notes.  They've opened
with "Hell in a Bucket" before, noted a young man wrapped in a Mexican
blanket.  The gentrified version of "Friend of the Devil" and their loopy
"Wang Dang Doodle" were also old stand-bys, said his friend, who clamed to
have both songs on bootleg tapes.
    
	Dylan's "When I Paint My Masterpiece" was unexpected, according to a 
couple from Portland, Ore., while a guy in a poncho said he had seen 52 Dead 
shows and this was only the third time he heard "Brown-Eyed Woman".  Early on,
everyone agreed that "Shakedown Street" with an unbridled jam between newest
Dead member Vince Welnick and auxiliary pianist Bruce Hornsby, was the 
highlight of the night, but there was plenty more to come.
    
	(So much more that it was as if Roger McGuinn's perfunctory opening 
set of Byrds classics was played last Thursday.)
    
	Near me, someone asked the group of Deadheads around him, "And what
about Jerry? Can you believe it?"
    
	These eight or nine people tossed together by their love for the Dead 
had probably experienced 1,000 Dead shows among them, yet none was prepared 
for what they saw this unseasonably chilly June night.
    
	Jerry Garcia was wearing a blue shirt.  Not his usual black T-shirt, 
but a *blue* one.  The guitarist's sartorial deviation signaled to the 
Deadheads that this was indeed a special show.  The Dead did "Dire Wolf", a
rarity, and Jerry wore blue; what a night!
    
	A more spectacular surprise followed the second, longer set.  After 
the Dead wrapped up their 3 1/2-hour performance with a faithful cover of 
"The Weight", the atmosphere ignited with brilliant fireworks.
    
	Since 55,000 people paid $30 each to see the Dead, the band could well
afford to light up the sky, but nobody would have complained if they didn't.
Yet it is unexpected bonuses like the fireworks display that has fueled the 
intense connection between the band and its fans throughout their 26-year 
relationship.
    
	Grateful Dead shows are not just just on the stage, but all around, and
the band knows it.  The traveling Deadhead show is at least as famous as the 
band itself.  And so to show appreciation for the thousands of unpaid 
performers, these grandfathers of rock played almost as long as it would take 
to run a marathon.
    
	The length of the show was largely the result of those storied free-
form jams, as the Dead searched for a groove and then hammered away until 
they nailed it tight.  The group's fondness for improvisational indulgence
was especially apparent during its 45-minute-long medley.  The epic started
with "Playin' in the Band" then snaked through "Terrapin Station", "Lady with a
Fan", and a taste of "Dark Star", then back to "Playin' in the Band".
    
	In about the middle of all that was the Dead trademark percussive 
"space jam", which caused rest room lines to swell. (The instrumental excesses
separate the real Deadhead from the kids with hippie daydreams.)  Until 
Garcia's profuse noodling and bassist Phil Lesh's meandering thuds turned the
tie-dyed throng into modern dancers, it was easy to understand the joke about
why the Dead have two drummers. (In case one of them falls asleep.)
    
	When they deftly worked their way back to the familiarity of "Playin'
in the Band," however, I was reminded of an analogy a Deadhead friend made.
"The Dead is a lot like baseball," he said. "You have to put up with a lot of
slow and boring stuff for the brief flashes of excitement. But those magic 
moments make it all worth it."

    
	Pictures (unfortunately, none in color):
    
		Jerry playing guitar, caption reads "For a change, Grateful
	Dead's Jerry Garcia wore a blue, not black, T-shirt"

		The boys on stage; Phil, Bob, Jerry, background Mickey, caption
	reads "The Grateful Dead, known for their long concerts, played for
	3 1/2 hours at Soldier Field."
                                            
 		Older couple (heads), one flashing the peace sign, caption 
        reads "For Deadhead fans, this is still the dawning of Aquarius."

    re .159
    
    >They've opened with "Hell in a Bucket" before, noted a young man
    >wrapped in a Mexican blanket.
    
    My nominee for Understatement of the Year Award.  Did this guy come up
    with other profound insights such as "Say, Jerry's kinda chunky."?
    
    Jamie
    

  "Phil Lesh's meandering thuds"



      I love it! :^)





Jim

    
    			"Lady with a Fan" ?????
    

re:  <<< Note 33.162 by BOOKS::BAILEYB "Let my inspiration flow ..." >>>
    
>    			"Lady with a Fan" ?????

That's the title of the part of That's it for the Other One that they
usually do.  Does anyone know how many times they played the whole thing??
I think I sort of remember them doing it once at the Greek, but I' not sure.

peace,
t!ng

>>    			"Lady with a Fan" ?????
>
>That's the title of the part of That's it for the Other One that they

Yo, T!ng.  You mean Terrapin, right?  Right!

	~dave

re:  <<< Note 33.164 by NECSC::LEVY "Phil phans are phabulously phunny" >>>

>Yo, T!ng.  You mean Terrapin, right?  Right!

Oops, sorry, thanks for the correction.  It's lunch time and I'm half-
asleep, but I'm still curious as to The Other One when they played more
than just Quodlibet for Tender Feet and The Faster We Go, the Rounder we
Get.  And on the same note, did they ever do all of Terrapin besides
3/18/77(?)

peace,
t!ng_zzzzzzzzzzz

    re -.1
    
    the first night of albany last year i think...
    
    			da ve

    re .166
    
    	as opposed to before and after lunch,.. when shes complete;y asleep
    
    	:-) :-)
    
    								/
    
    	PS Yo Ting! Has my friend Sir Dukes contacted you?
    

Bob,

If I'm not mistaken, "Lady With a Fan" starts off with your personal name!

That's why I wasn't sure if you were serious or not!

adam_who_also_loves_the_1990_Albany_Terrapin

    Yup Adam ... I was serious.  Never heard it called that before ...
    always thought it was called Terrapin Station.
    
    silly me ...
    
    			... Bobbb
    

>    	as opposed to before and after lunch,.. when shes complete;y asleep
    
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!  Huh??  What??

>    	PS Yo Ting! Has my friend Sir Dukes contacted you?
    
Nope and I hope he knows that Eel River got postponed, so we have another
camping spot for the new date on August 10th and he's still welcome to
share the spot and run around stark naked if he wants to (as long as he
doesn't trample our tent 8-).

peace,
t!ng

If you look at the album "Terrapin Station", the song we all call "Terrapin"
is divided into something like 6 pieces...

Apparently, the record company advised them to do this for $$ reasons [I read
this somewhere in here a long time ago].

    
    	OK Ting,.. I'll tell him to watch out for your tent :-)
    
    							/
    
    
    

RE: <<< Note 33.172 by BIODTL::FERGUSON "the rainbow does not have a beard" >>>
>                              -< Check the album >-
>
>If you look at the album "Terrapin Station", the song we all call "Terrapin"
>is divided into something like 6 pieces...

This was done by the Dead to fill contractual obligations with Warner Bro.s.

I've never heard a Terrapin live that had any more or any less of the "parts" 
than any other Terrapin, including the album version. Sometimes Jerry will miss 
a few lines here and there, and there is always a different number of final 
crescendo/relax meddlys, but the song pretty much is always performed in its 
entirety.

Fog

    Robert Hunter's version is a bit different ,...
    
    is it the Jack-A-Roe album I'm thinking of???"
    
    good stuff
    
    								/
    

    re: fog
    
>I've never heard a Terrapin live that had any more or any less of the "parts" 
>than any other Terrapin, including the album version.
    
    Errr...I've *never* heard a live version that includes the "While you
    were gone..." portion of the lyrics that *is* on the album.  The studio
    version is really quite different than the live one, IMO.
    
    	~dave
    

	The reason, I believe, for the multiple song titles on both
	"That's It For The Other One" and "Terrapin Station", is money
	plain and simple.  Songwriters are paid a royalty - which I 
	believe is $0.25 per song - for each song on on album for each
	album sold.

	Thus, if "That's It For The Other One" was released as one song,
	the record company would pay the songwriter $0.25 for that song
	for each album sold.  If "TIFTOO" is listed as six songs, then
	the record company pays $1.50 for each album sold.

	Disclaimer: I am not a music industry executive nor do I portray
	one on TV.

	Bob

re:            <<< Note 33.174 by SPICE::PECKAR "Clean Phil Wanted" >>>

>>If you look at the album "Terrapin Station", the song we all call "Terrapin"
>>is divided into something like 6 pieces...

>This was done by the Dead to fill contractual obligations with Warner Bro.s.
    
    Isn't Terrapin Station on Arista? Maybe not.

    I don't have a tape of it (and I'd be happy to have one, if anybody
    would care to offer or trade), but I'm just about sure that they played
    the entire Terrapin, including the "while you were gone..." portion, at
    the Boston Garden in the spring of '77. (May?)
    
    Of course, I went by myself, being new to the Boston area, so I don't
    know who else may have been there.
    
    I remember it mostly because of my psychic condition at the time, and
    how appropriate those words were for the moment...:-):-):-):-)
    
    tim
    

RE: my comments...

Please ignore everything I ever said and ever will say and am saying now...

There, don't I feel better???

Fog

	You may, but I don't - that was getting fun!!!  :-)

Article        46821
From: dab@pyuxe.UUCP (D Ballard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: dead sighting on cnn
Date: 11 Jul 91 23:10:19 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
 
 
 
 
Hey now-  On Headline News this morning they had a piece on how bad the 
summer is going for concert promoters.  They interviewed 2 of them (I 
didn't recognize either of them) and they both spoke about how
much money they were loosing.  One guy said that part of the problem is
the lack of stadium shows this summer.  He mentioned that the only 
band doing stadiums this year is the Grateful Dead and that they were
"recession-proof", so ticket sales were not hurting...
 
 
-dab
 
 
==============================================================
dave ballard
dab@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com

>much money they were loosing.  One guy said that part of the problem is
>the lack of stadium shows this summer.  He mentioned that the only 

yeah!  that's it.  it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm not willing
to shell out 22-->35 bucks to see the XXXXX band.  One thing those
folks who are building those sheds all over the countryside should think 
of:

	"does the talent out there enable us to charge these prices?"

I mean I'd pay 10---15 for a lot of these acts but 25 and up is just steep
and for what?  Excluding the good ole Dead (whom remain interesting and
musically progressive) .... but for what?  For the XXXXX band to sing me 
retreads or worse yet - new tunes that sounds like retreads?  Or 4 new bands 
to sing me short and sweet?  

I think the prices are way to high for the quality of the music they
are offering.  IMO, this is the poorest summer season I've seen for 
my music money.

sorry!
bob

    Yeah, nothin' like droppin' 30 big ones to watch Janet Jackson lip
    synch a CD, but don't forget the binoculars or ya might not think she's
    really getting the lips right.  Ya need that kinda authenticity for 30
    bucks.
    
    It's just the aura of being in the same space as a grate star.  In a
    stadium ya might not actually be in the same county, though....:-0
    
    hehehehehe
    
    tim
    

Well, the last 2 music shows that I paid $$ to see were Leo Kottke, and
John Hartford, both at the Nashua Center for the Performing Arts.  I paid
$15/ticket for each show, sat 15 feet away from Leo when I saw him, and
sat 25 feet away from John when I saw him (TMS was at the next table each
time :^).

These guys aren't mainstream "pop music", and thats why the ticket was 
relatively cheap.  This wasn't a "music industry" production.....I ordered
the tickets directly from Nashua Center for the Performing Arts (thanks to
whoever put the info in here last winter!!!!!! Scott maybe?), no Ticketshafter
involved.

I've lost almost all interest in seeing "rock concerts", hardly anything
at Great Woods this year really interests me.  I saw Dan Fogelberg there,
and he disappointed me a lot (he hasn't in the past, but I just didn't care
for his band and his whole sound).....I also got ripped off by Ticketmaster,
who tacked on a few extra bucks for the privilege of calling them for the
tickets.

The pop music industry is pretty beat - all gloss, videos, image, and $$$$.

Dave

    
    Well I spent $30 last night on a ticket to see Bob Dylan at Jones Beach
    in what was unquestionably the most boring, worst show I've ever seen
    him put on.  :-(  Everyone I knew there was disappointed.  And to top
    it off, not only did he play poorly, but the song selection was lame
    and it was the shortest show I've ever seen him play also.  Oh well -
    guess everyone has their off nights.
    
    

$30 to see Dylan.... that is expensive!

Anyway, the album "Terrapin Station" was issued by Arista.
The song "Terrapin Station" has the following parts:

Terrapin Station Part 1
	Lady With A Fan
	Terrapin Station
	Terrapin
	Terrapin Transit
	At A Siding
	Terrapin Flyer
	Refrain

That is what my CD says.

RE:L Concert

The only big "pop/mainstream" act I will see now is the dead.  all the others
don't appeal to me.... last year, Eric Clapton put the icing on the cake.
For $30, it was not worth it... it was such an over commercialized event --
everything about it was commercialized...  I'd much rather pay $5 to
see Ronnie Earl while sippin' on some cold brew.  furthermore, i thought
the performance was lackluster.

There is plenty of good music to see at bars.  you just have to go a lot and
check out a lot of different bands... get on mailing lists, read the
calendar section, etc... lots, and lots of good music out there.  and,
many times, it is better than going to some over-commercial concert....imo.

	While reading the manual for a personal/business finance tracking 
	program called QUICKEN (for PC's, published by Intuit of Menlo 
	Park CA) I came across an example showing the purchase of CD's
	at a (presumably fictitious) store called "Terrapin Station".

	The exact reference is on page 151 of the manual for Version 
	4.0.  Other expenditures in this example are a business meal at
	the "One Hundred Mile High Cafe".

	The section on Credit Cards has an example payment to a store 
	called "Shoreline Department Store".  Another example is a
	transaction with a fish store called "The Topographic Ocean".

	Bob_PC_head
	

From: RCMAJO01@ulkyvx.bitnet
Subject: LSD article Louiville CJ (long)
Reply-To: RCMAJO01@ulkyvx.bitnet
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 91 00:37:45 GMT
 
This articl was on the front page of today's (15 July 1991) Louisville
(KY) Courier Journal
 
LSD Makes the Local Scene Again, in Weaker Form
 
by Deborah Yetter
Staff Writer
 
  The boy was convinced that at the age of 16 he was experiencing dazzling
insights and attaining a profound understanding of life by taking LSD.
  So at the request of Louisville drug counselor Vitone Genovese, he jotted
down his thoughts during his next "acid trip".  On the single sheet of paper,
later shown to Genovese, appeared only two words:  peanut butter.
  "It's called tha mind expanding drug, but it's fooling your brain," Genovese
said.
  Lysergic acid diethylmide is a laboratory creation, a hallucinogen that was
outlawed in 1965 after its use began to spread.
  Nonrtheless, the drug commonly associated with the psychedelic 1960s is
making a comeback in the Louisville area and elsewhere around the country.
It appears to be most popular among teen-agers and younger adolescents,
according to drug enforcement authorities and counselors who work with youths.
  "Louisville basically reflects the national trend", said David Haight,
special agent in charge of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in
Kentucky.  "We are experiencing a major resurgence of LSD."
  "It's back," said Cyril Wantland, coordinator of alcohol and drug education
for the Jefferson County Public Schools.  "LSD is back - that's what the kids
are telling me."
  Over the past six months or so, police say they have discovered a steady
stream of the drug on the streets through undercover buys from drug dealers.
A drug that once surfaced here only when a rock group like the Grateful Dead
came to town may now be bought almost daily, police said.
  Six months ago, a single dose, or "hit", might cost $2 to $3, said Major
Donnie Kirgan, head of Louisville-Jefferson County Metro Narcotics Unit.  Now
the price is down to as littel as 90 cents a hit.
  "We watch the prices pretty closely," Kirgan said.  "When the price gets
down, it means the competition is cutting their prices and there's a lot of it
out there."
  Haight said law-enforcement agencies throughout Kentuck are reporting LSD
investigations.
  The druf also is appearing more frequently in Southern Indiana, said 1st.
Sgt. Wayne Williams, who supervises Indiana State Police narcotics
investigations in the region.
  "We see some of it every month," he said.
  However, there's a difference between today's LSD - which officials warn can
cause harmful pyschological effect [unlike warfare, politicians, divorce and
pop quizzes - Robert] - and that of the 1960s, which produced the longlasting,
powerful hallucinations and occasional temporary pyschosis known as a "bad
trip", experts say.
  Today, a single dose is much weaker, according to DEA laboratory tests,
producing a milder, shorter effect.  The user may ecperience slight
hallucinations and a pleasnat "high" sensation for several hours, in contrast
to LSD trips of the past lasting 12 hours or more.
  In the 1960s a single dose might contain as much a 130 micrograms of LSD (a
microgram is 0ne-millionth of a gram).  Today, a single dose contains about 30
micrograms, Haight said.
  As a result, said Genovese, himself a recovering drug user who once
experimented with LSD, today's users may be less likely to experience the
frighteningflashbacks - recurrent hallucinations after the drug supposedly has
worn off.  However, counselors warn that adverse effects may still occur,
especially as users build up tolerance to the drug and begin to take more.
  The unpredictable effects and sometimes terrifying results helped lead to
LSD's decline in the 1970's, Genovese said.
  Once sold in the form of microdots - tiny tablets disolved in the mouth- LSD
now comes in the form of "blotter acid," small squares of blotter paper
saturated with the drug.  Users may buy a single dose on one of the tiny
squares or a whole sheet, according to police.
  The sheets of paper are easily concealed, unlike bulkier marijuana or
cocaine, and can be shipped easily by mail, Haight said.
  The paper sqares often are decorated with pictures such as unicorns, Disney
characters or flowers [hey, what about rainbows...].  "Bart Simpson is big
right now," Kirgan said.  And at $1 or $2 a hit, the drug is affordable to
youths who are willing to experiment and know nothing of the drug's
controversial past, authorities said.
  "This is a whole new generation," Haight said.  It's new to them, so they go
ahead and use it."
  Authorities believe today's users are younger - anywhere from age 12 to 18 -
and unconcerned about its effects. [it is a pychological amplifier...if you
imagine the boogey man that is what you will get; on the other hand...]
  "They see it as a fairly harmless drug," Genovese said.
  Drug enforcement authorities believe that virtually all LSD for sale in the
United States comes from laboratories in Northern Califonia [I won't tell them
any different, if you won't :-)], where the hippie counterculture first
popularized the drug.  However, the DEA has not dismantled an LSD lab in recent
years, in contrast to its success busting other operations, such as
methamphetamine labs, Haight said.
  Agents continue to search for LSD labs but have not been able to pinpoint
them, he said.
  Scientists aren't sure how the drug works, but Genovese said it's believed
that the drug scrambles impulses in the brain, which may lead users to believe
they have stumbled onto new and brilliant insights that re in fact probably
nothing more than mixed signals in their minds.
  The drug is not physically addictive, and reports in the 1960s that it
damaged users' chromosomes have not been proven.  However, it can cause harmful
pyschological effects, according to Haight and drug counselors.
  The teen-ager who summarized his LSD experience with the words "peanut
butter" was a steady user who ultimately overdosed on the drug and was
hospitalized with hallucinations that continued a second day.  He is now in a
recovery program.
 
There it is, all []'s are my comments.
 
Later,
 
Robert
 
"You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.  No! You got your peanut butter on
my chocolate."
 

	Fascinating article. Probably the most accurate and and un-biased 
	popular-press reporting I've seen in a while regarding LSD...

>  Scientists aren't sure how the drug works, but Genovese said it's believed
>that the drug scrambles impulses in the brain, which may lead users to believe
>they have stumbled onto new and brilliant insights that re in fact probably
>nothing more than mixed signals in their minds.

	Innerestin' theory, but probably oversimplified. It doesn't explain the
"unique" or "separate" or "altered" or whatever you wanna call it state of
consciousness which LSD users seem to unanimously report as experiencing under
its influence.  This Genovese dude may be right, but it seems those "mixed
signals" could just as easily be labeled "new perspectives". 

	RE: Penut Butter.  I think this reporter is mixing the concept of
"insight" with the concept of "articulation". The ability to write down a whole
mess of words on a piece of paper cannot be construed as measure of inspiration
or invention, only a measure of articulation, which is different. Speaking or
writing is a slower, different and special mind-function compared with thinking
and creating or pondering ideas. In fact, you have to stop thinking to write
things down, unless your Slash :-). The fact that this guy only wrote down two
words, then, does not by any means imply his mind was acting any less inventive
or inspired than someone who wrote down a thousand words. 

MHO_P

    WHA???
    
    Hey ,.. don't disturb me,.. I'm thinkwriting... 
    
    	:-)
    
    					/
    

      There are a few mentions of the Dead in the new issue of "Rolling
    Stone"( The one with Tom Petty on the cover)...
    
    The 1st is in an article talking about how bad concert tours are doing
    this summer...except for the "good old Grateful Dead"...
    
    Then there is a little story about the family of Adam Katz suing the
    Meadowlands Security and Grateful Dead Productions for wrongful death.
    The family claims to have evidence that 4 security guards chased, beat-
    up, and then dumped Adam out on the highway...
    
    Next, there is something about Bob Weir testifying in Cal. that Ticket-
    master tried to strong-arm the band and force them not to sell tickets
    by mail...it also mentions higher service charges because Ticketshafter
    bought out Ticketron...
    
    Finally, there is mention of the counterfeit ticket bust in NYC which
    made the band very happy, according to a spokesman....
    
    And of course there is a swell advertisement for "Deadicated"...
    
    Oh yea...there is also a fine article on the Neville Bros. towards the
    back...
    
                   :-)  DaveB.

re: biggest bang for your buck

	I too thought that article was very good.  I even printed it so
Deb could have a look...

	Funny that scientists have not figured out why it does what it
does...

    
    The is an article in TIME this week that talks about how bad concerts
    are selling this due to the recession, excetp for the "GRATEFUL DEAD',
    It talked about how most groups/people were playing before smaller
    crowds, then it when on to say the GRATEFUL DEAD are one of the top 5
    grossing bands foe the last 5 years. It also said they were helped
    along by their "DEADHEADS"
    
    
    Divide Dave
    

   so much for the six sigma craze, we'll be doing the eleven soon.  :-)

	Hey da ve, that was great!  Thanks for typing it in!!

    ...yea how could you baseline the boyz anyhooo ...number of botched
    up lyrics per million??? or missed jams ???? we don't need no
    steeenkin seex sigma......or  is it now iso9000000000...or is it
    program/acronym de juor.....
    
    rich

Date:	 8-AUG-1991 09:45:10.51
From:	SHRFAC::HAYES "Immoral Minority  08-Aug-1991 0946"
Subj:	
To:	NECSC::LEVY
CC:	
20 records
Attributes: New message

 Hi dave,
  My name's Alyson and I'm a fairly new (a couple months) reader of your
notesfile. I'm a contractor at Shrewbury DEC. I've never added a note to a
notesfile and I really can't get caught trying to figure it out now, so I
was wondering if you could add something to it for me. I wanted to let people
know about a TV special I heard about last night. In the Boston area, on the
PBS station, channel 2 they're having some sort of Dead show with concert 
clips, etc. And it will be simulcast on FM 100.7 WZLX a Boston radio station. 

           (And I'm going to be WORKING!?!?!?!?)

  Also I have seen a note on Dead radio shows but I haven't seen mention of
the one I listen to.  Also on WZLX 100.7 Saturdays at midnite is a show called
"Dead Ahead" that's an hour long (I'm pretty sure).
   So, if you get a moment do you think you could let people know? Thanks a
million!
                           Anxiously awaiting tickets (I hope), 
                                                      Alyson
                                                      SHRFAC::HAYES

    My neighbor, David Womack, wrote a book about The Grateful Dead titled,
    "Aesthetics of the Grateful Dead." The first few chapters of the book
    focus on the failure of music critics to appreciate the band.  Later
    chapters focus more on The Dead's lyrics and musical style.  I
    recommend this book to anyone wanting to dig deeper into the band's
    history and lyrics.  
    
    David published the book himself and is not making much (if any)
    profit, so please don't give me any grief for advertising commerical
    goods in Notes.  
    
    Copies are $12, and can be ordered from:
    
    	Flying Public Press
    	PO Box 112
    	Palo Alto, CA 94301
    

    .............has anyone seen a Levi Button Fly add on TV about the guy
    that does lights for a "Rock Band" ? well as far as I can tell its the
    DEAD.....Why do I think this ? its the RUGS , check it out !
                                                                      
    Chris

    >.............has anyone seen a Levi Button Fly add on TV about the guy
    >that does lights for a "Rock Band" ? well as far as I can tell its the
    >DEAD.....Why do I think this ? its the RUGS , check it out !

I saw that commercial and thought the exact same thing!!! (and promptly forgot 
about it until I read your note!)

Scott

    >.............has anyone seen a Levi Button Fly add on TV about the guy
    >that does lights for a "Rock Band" ? well as far as I can tell its the
    >DEAD.....Why do I think this ? its the RUGS , check it out !

Yes, there's some more discussion in another note.

I just saw this commercial again and I noticed the background music.  It's
definitely Jerry!  It sounds like they took a clip from some dead jam.  It's
not a recognizeable song, as far as I can tell.  But you can hear Jerry
doodling around.

adam

     I heard there is going to be a Grateful Dead comic book, it
    will be bi-monthly and will be available at the shows as well
    as thru the company that makes it.
    
    Sean
    

    
     My brother, a comic book collector, mentioned something about this
    to me recently. He said that  the comics were to based on the stories
    in songs, with the Boyz playing the characters. (or something like that).
    
     

    It's been out for about a month now. It's gotten mixed reviews. This
    months edition has these songs for stories: Dire Wolf, Casey Jones and
    Terrapin Station.

Speaking of LEVI 501 button-fly jeans, if anyone happens to find any colored
pairs, let me know where... I'm interested in all colors <> black, any shade
of blue, white...

JC, who is a 501 junkie! ;-)

    I saw that comic book mentioned earlier in Newbury comics, and took a
    browse.  The Dire Wolf scene has Jerry in a cabin as the story goes
    along.  The Terrapin strip looked like it was set in outer space or in
    the future.  The whole idea seemed weak to me....
    
    mike_who's_not_real_fond_of_comics

Yeah, we saw it at the shows last weekend, but it didn't seem like
it was worth the $5, but I'm not a Comix-head either.

peace,
t!ng

from dead-flames....

From: eroth@Apple.COM (Rico)
Subject: Re: Garcia/Grisman article in Guitar Player
Date: 21 Aug 91 18:54:07 GMT
 
In article <1991Aug20.152908.14887@cbnewsm.att.com> hhs@cbnewsm.att.com (Sweetleaf) writes:
>The new issue (Sept 91) of Guitar Player has a decent article titled
>"Garcia & Grisman - Jerry's Acoustic Side"....
   [ intesting facts and quotes deleted ]
 
>A fairly long interview with Jerry follows....  There's a 
>hilarious drawing at the beginning of the article of Jerry and David 
>in the back of an old pickup, pickin' and grinnin'.  Jerry's wearing 
>overalls and high-top sneakers....
 
 
Some other fun excerpts:
 
Q:  Do you get nervous before a gig?
 
Jerry:  Oh yeah.  Every time.  I wish I didn't, but I do,
sometimes weeks in advance.  It's totally visceral and very
uncomfortable.  I've literally tried everything to shake it [feel
free to speculate on what this means :-) -- rico], but nothing
works.  The funny thing is, the minute I start playing, it's gone.
It's like fear of flying.  I used to have it so bad, but the power
to scare you eventually stops working.  I have a loose control
over stage fright, because I already know I'm not going to die
from it.  I don't think it's rare.  A lot of performers have it.
It takes a lot to get out in front of a bunch of people and do
anything.  God, if I had to go out and speak -- eeeeeee!  I don't
think I could do it.  But playing is kind of a different matter.
If you put in enough time, you're like a filter.  You go out there
and the people know what to expect.  They know you're going to try
to take them somewhere good [!].  Stage fright is a plague for me.
With this band I had some serious, serious stage fright the week
or so before we played.  But that's the good thing about having
David out there too.  He's a goud guy to take the shots with.
 
Q:  Have you ever had physical problems from playing too much?
 
Jerry: I'm being treated by a chiropractor for carpal tunnel
syndrome now. About two years ago I started feeling numbness in
the fingers of my left hand, but I just ignored it and hoped it
would go away.  Of course, it didn't and it finally go so bad I
couldn't feel anything.  I had to look at my fingers to make sure
they were placed right.  It was very scary.  What's a guitarist
going to do without the use of his hands?  There treatment has
helped a lot.  It's getting better.  I've also developed a curve
in my spine from all those years of putting my weight on one foot
and holding a guitar.  And about seven years ago I was screwing
around playing basketball [Air Jerry!] and broke a little bone
chip off on the the ring finger of my left hand.  It's still
floating around in there and I have to be careful the way I attack
the string with that finger.
--
 
Lotta fun.  Maybe more later....
 
Rico
 
-- 
"A lovely view of heaven, but I'd rather be with you."
--
 

From the net...

From: "Bruce G. Gittelman" (AED-EWD) <bgittel@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Charlotte Death?
Reply-To: bgittel@pica.army.mil
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 15:40:57 GMT
 
On page 37 of the NY Daily News, Thursday Aug. 22:
Daniel Bolinaga, a Grateful Dead fan from Virginia, has gotten six years
in jail for beating a fellow Deadhead to death in the parking lot outside
a show in Charlotte in June.
 
bg: Anybody hear anything about this before now?
 
------------------------------

Hey, was anyone listening to BCN (I think yesterday) when the DJ mentioned
that there is a Dead show in a small Mass town south of Natick?  He said it
just once, according to my boss who told me this, yet the town got flooded
with heads and phone calls!!  :-)  Seems it is where Charles (another DJ)
lives so he had a few things to say about it.  ;^)

Only the dead could spark such an interest with one quick comment!!!  

    i had heard a rumor that supposedly started on BCN with Chuckkkkkkk...
    something about a benefit show in Dover...  that's all i know...
    
    					da ve

> On page 37 of the NY Daily News, Thursday Aug. 22:
> Daniel Bolinaga, a Grateful Dead fan from Virginia, has gotten six years
> in jail for beating a fellow Deadhead to death in the parking lot outside
> a show in Charlotte in June.
        
        Yes, this was one of those "embarassing" incidents for us known
        Deadheads in Charlotte...
        
        The incident was NOT outside a show.  It was at a campground
        about 5 miles away.  One deadhead camper beat up another.
        Very sad.  Incidents like this perpetuate the misunderstanding
        of the Grateful Dead.
        
        _Mike/L

    my guess is that if he only got 6 years for killing someone then
    he was not found guilty of murder but manslaughter (meaning it was
    accidental)...  still a bummer, but i believe an accidental death 
    deserves a lighter sentence than an intentional killing...
    
    				da ve

On page 13 of the latest Boston Magazine there is a cartoon of Jerry and a 
short article on the Dead's return to the Gahden.

Scott

       For those of you who don't live in New England, let me start by 
    explaining that our local Boston rock station, WBCN, has jumped on
    the Grateful Dead bandwagon in a big way...this past weekend was G.D.
    weekend with ticket give-aways and free CD's...one of the DJ's on Sat.
    was trying to find out about the Dead mystique, so she was talking
    about it with this guy on the phone....all the DJ kept talking about
    was people who don't take showers...anyway, she asked the guy for a
    good thing to do to give out some tickets, she wanted a deadhead to do 
    something embarassing and she asked the guy what a head could do that
    would be embarassing....he replied, "Vote Republican"....they cut him
    off....so they had a scavenger hunt instead, the clincher being "a
    ball-bearing mouse trap (a male cat)....meanwhile they played lots of
    Dead on the radio all weekend long (mostly the same songs though) and
    it was great...my favorite part of the whole deal was during promos for
    the weekend they kept saying" only on WBCN, where Jerry is G-D!!!
    I love it when they start catering to us..... :-)
            
              DaveB.

	Well, it was a good show, and nice thought on the part of BCN
	but personally I thought they were rather condenscending.  I
	heard her talking about stoned smelly people -> excuse me ...
	is that *all* we are about?

	I'll tell you what we are about ... keeping the music industry
	alive.  IMO a majority of all rock&roll patrons (concerts, gigs,
	record purchases and even radio station listeners) are deadheads...
	they better cater to us!  I am tired of being needed and laughed
	at all at the same time.

	Lisa_down_from_her_soapbox_now_:-)

I only caught a few minutes of the WBCN thing over the weekend..the whole
"Where Jerry is God" thing pi**ed me off.  As soon as the Dead pack up and
leave town WBCN will forget they were ever here or even exist.






Jim

    ....if its the DJ I think your talking about , well shes a moron anyway
    so no skin off my back ! also WE know who WE are !! PROS even my mom
    calls me a pro of concert going ! Some Deadheads have made going to
    shows part of there lifes,plan Vacations around tours, even business
    trips !!!! :') 
    
    Chris

The C in WBCN stands for COMMERCIALS.  SKIP IT!  :)
Turn em off!  Listen to BUR and the news, or 'FNX and the new
or or or TAPES yeah that's it...MDK or JUL!  

I wasn't subjected to being called smelly!  They like our
smell though - THE SMELL OF MONEY!  ahhahahha!

Reminds me of a story back in WWII times my uncle told me -
He was in the Navy and stationed in Norfolk.  Norfolk had a
love hate relationship with the Navy.  They hated them.  But
loved their money.  So things got really (rilly!) outta hand 
down there between the Sailors and the locals that one day 
the Navy payed them in 2 dollar bills just to show the city 
how much dough the navy spent in their town and how much 
they actually depended on them....I think things were at least
tolerant after that.

whaddya expect for a station that has to try to be #1?
bob
:)

Just say NO to commercial radio.  I didn't even know that BCN had this dead
weekend thing ... gotta love capitalism i guess.


re: jay

obsequious...

nice word; sent me to my dictionary!

    'BCN = Boston Concert Network, believe it or not...  It seems they
    started in the early 60's as a *classical* music station! :-)
    
    ML

	is HCN in Hartford related?

    
     You learned it from ME????
    
     I have a crime-stoppers routine???
    
     Must have been one of wild and crazy nights.....   %^)
    
    
     Steve-O  er, Steve Martin

 
From the Sept. Issue of Boston Mag. Under a charicature of Jerry
grilling lobsters on the fire escape while a suited arm yanks at his
green T-shirt as if to remove him.
 
TRUCKIN BACK TO THE GARDEN
 
 
The last time the Grateful Dead played Boston Garden was in 1981,
and what a long strange trip it was. Lawrence C. Moulter,
president of the New Boston Garden Corporation, tells the story
like this: His predecessor, the decidedly unpsychedelic Paul
Mooney, went backstage and found bandleader Jerry Garcia and his
entourage grilling lobsters on the fire escape. Mooney went
ballistic, tossing the crustaceans overboard and making a rather
poor impression on the visiting entertainers. Very uncool. The
Dead vowed not to come back.
 
Fortunately, times change. For nearly two years, Moulter, himself
a graying rock and roll buff, has been trying to persuade the San
Francisco based cult band that they've got to get back to the
Garden. With a little help from his friends, local concert
promoter Don Law and Aerosmith manager Tim Collins he has finally
succeeded. The Dead are scheduled to take the stage for six
nights, beginning September 20. Moulter hopes to sell 90,000
seats and take in $2.1 million.
 
Moulter and the band are trying to stave off the kind of
unpleasantness that marred the 1981 show. The Garden; president
has convened a task force to hash out the logistics of the event
with the police, the city's transportation department, the
Mayor's Office of Consumer Affairs and Licensing , and other
agencies. And the Grateful Dead have sent Garden officials a
booklet called "How to Organize and Successfully Run a Grateful
Dead Concert" . Here are some of their tips:
 
"As you know, the Grateful Dead are one of the top arena/stadium
attractions in the country. However, what distinguishes them from
other concerts you host is the very large number of fans who want
to attend the event, many of whom do not have tickets for the
likely-to-be-sold-out event. This, along with the unique
sociological phenomenon of the Grateful Dead and their fans,
means that this is an event which MUST receive special treatment"
 
Many fans bring large quantities of incidental items to sell in
the parking lot, such as food, clothing, and jewelry; and as our
goal is to cut down the desirability of being on the premises
without tickets, the Grateful Dead request that large scale
vending be halted.... We would also like to concentrate on
stopping beer sales, and the sale of nitrous oxide, often sold in
balloons.
 
We also require a non-trafficked route (back road or other
alternative) for the band to enter at various times in the late
afternoon with police escorts. Artists may arrive via
helicopters, but police escorts will still be necessary.
 
Because we have been experiencing numerous counterfeit ticket
problems...all counterfeit controls should be explained to them
[ticket takers] and they should be advised exactly what to look
for to verify a ticket's legitimacy and shown the different non-
legitimate tickets that might be tried: counterfeits (some on
stolen stock), tickets for a different show, Xeroxes, compiled
old tickets, glued stubs, etc.
 
...Beware of stub passing, particularly from the floor to the
stands, and clever requests from fans. Dancing at their seats is
encouraged. If non permanent chairs are used they must be ganged
together to insure they stay in place....
 
...There are not a great number of medical problems at Grateful
Dead concerts, but common situations are heat exhaustion, and
banged up feet. Security, police, or ushers may also encounter
persons having an adverse reaction to a hallucinogenic drug, and
this situation should be treated as a medical emergency first and
foremost. If police action is necessary, it should be undertaken
after medical treatment has been given.
 
 
 
 
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    I have just about had it wiht BCN anyway...barely ever listen to them
    I think the C stands for trying to be to CUTE...yech they get too
    carried away with themselves trying to be funny and crude also
    somewhat chauvinistic...I normally listen to WMDK now in Milford
    but the DJ's on that station are getting tough to take as well..this
    past weekend the female that was on in the mid-day (till 1 or so?)
    made the comment on how she was a deadhead etc. and all the shows were
    sold out so now what you had to do, being a good little deadhead, was
    to buy scalped tickets....sure.
    
    
    rich

      <<< Note 33.228 by WFOV11::BUTZE "Quick beat of an icy heart..." >>>
>    I have just about had it wiht BCN anyway...barely ever listen to them
>    I think the C stands for trying to be to CUTE...yech they get too

geezzzz,  I wish I'd thought of that...

>    sold out so now what you had to do, being a good little deadhead, was
>    to buy scalped tickets....sure.
    
I heard that too!  I remember saying to Raelene that the DJ would probably
get a few calls telling her why DJ's shouldn't say that on the air..;

and regarding MDK - world get ready.  MDK is gonna change format in early
september and become a soft rock station....ohhhh boy I can hardly wait.
gone are the days of the pixies mixed with albert collins and jellyfish.  
gone are the grateful dead followed by the dream warriors!  whew!

oh well,  Oh yeah,  I'd heard about this mdk format change but thought
they were gonna go mainstream RnR which I didn't think would be too bad.
BUT I guess someone called them and they said "Ever hear of WZID"????
I'll dig it up and post it.
bob

here's that note from elsewhere that came to me in the email....

Subj:	Did you hear about this?
          <<< BOMBE::DISK_NOTES$LIBRARY:[000000]RADIO_RADIO.NOTE;2 >>>
                              -< Club RadioRadio >-
================================================================================
Note 570.0                  WMDK is changing its tune                  3 replies
DRAGN::BOURQUARD "nothing personal"                  23 lines  28-AUG-1991 09:33
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For those of you who get your alternative music from WMDK, formerly of 
Peterboro and more recently of Milford, NH, they have announced a format
change.  I've been intending to write them a letter and last night I called
them up to get their new address.  The person who answered told me that 
the change would take place on September 9th.  When I asked what to expect
he said, "...ever listen to WZID in Nashua?  We'll be just like that!"
WZID is an easy-listening/soft rock station.  He also said that if I was
intending to write a letter, not to bother.  He said they've received
"thousands" of letters and it's not going to do any good.

I've got to believe that if enough people write or call it's got to send some
kind of message.  So, I'm going to go ahead with my letter anyway.  If anyone
else is interested in joining the cause their address is:

	WMDK Radio
	28 Jones Rd.
	Suite 3
	PO Box 59
	Milford, NH.  03055

	(603)672-9210

Dan

    you may end up with MORE GD after the format change...  WBOS in Boston
    is the "rock without the hard edge" soft rock station i listen to...
    i get more dead from them than anyone else on the dial...
    
    				da ve

   Well, I'm glad that the boyz have found fame and stardom, and I will 
always love the music that comes out of them, but I think I'm through with
their concert scene. I remember the happy go lucky and considerate atmos-
phere of the days of general admission (Red Rocks) where nobody got crushed
when they would let you in. At McNichols it was almost scary getting in the
first night. One girl actually passed out from being squished for too long, 
(and maybe she could have been a bit intoxicated, I don't know) but this was
all reserved seating, so there wasn't really a need to rush to get in. And 
then when you get to your seats, of course somebody else has decided to make
them theirs; and then the ritual of having to show them your ticket stubs to
prove you ain't full of shit and them being put off about having to move.
  Sorry, but I miss the days when the only people who cared the Dead were
in town were the Dead Heads and it wasn't some sort of media circus. 

                  Call me selfish,

                  Chris
                 

re:< Note 33.231 by ROULET::DWEST "Dont Overlook Something Extraordinary" >
>            -< too bad about losing the progressive stuff but,... >-
>
>    you may end up with MORE GD after the format change...  WBOS in Boston
>    is the "rock without the hard edge" soft rock station i listen to...
>    i get more dead from them than anyone else on the dial...

Yeah, if you're really into Touch of Grey :-)

adam_who_listens_to_WBOS

    
    yeah, a lot of it is from the last two studio albums BUT i have
    also heard stuff from workingman's dead, american beauty, and wake
    of the flood...
    
    studio dead, but dead none the less...  :^)
    
    				da ve

    One station here in Minneapolis/St.Paul actually play's dead other than 
    Touch of Grey/KCJones/Truckin  In fact they have been playing 
    NFA-->GDTRFB!!!! plus other various dead related tunes (JGB,Deadicated).
    Not to bad on the commercials and NO talk unless it is relevent info
    about the musicians.  They will also play local talent.
    
    On a different note: 
    I heard that some station on Florida just changed it's format to all
    Christmas and Honika (sp?) music all year round.
    
    :-)
    Scott g  

>	Honika (sp?) 
	
		c i n c i n n a t i

	:-)

    re: -1 :-)  I knew I was missing a letter. :-) :-)
    
    The station I was just talking about just quoted Bob wier as saying he
    donates *all* of his income to various rainforest groups.  No wonder
    Jerry has been looking in better shape - Bob is stealing all his food
    :-) ;~)  BTW,  they also carry the Deadhour (tm) and last night did 
    a special two hour tribute to Stevie Ray Vaugn - RIP. Some real nice
    interviews of Stevie, his Brother, Robert Cray, and Eric Clapton.
    
    :-)
    Scott g

When it comes to playing Dead on the airwaves, ZLX is the most annoying!!!
THey play the same 5 songs EVERY time!!!  there is onyl so much of
studio sugar mag or ujb that i can take!

BOS, on the otherhand, plays a wider variety.

sugaree, etc...

    
    This article appears in this weeks New York magazine.
    
                              DEADHEAD AGAIN
    
    The man on the phone from California, sounding merry and young, is
    talking about a town he visits every year at this time.  "New York is
    like an experiment," says Jerry Garcia.  "Would anarchy work?  Nobody's
    holding the place together -- there's nothing to keep it from exploding
    into total chaos except the goodwill of the people.  That gets sorely
    tested, but by some miracle the whole thing holds."
    
    Garcia, 49, may be a romantic about New York, but he knows all about
    anarchy.  For 26 years he has denied persistent rumors that he leads
    the Grateful Dead, last of the hippie jam bands; there is, he explains,
    no leader.  But *someone* must be looking out for these men -- at a
    time when of-the-moment stars are playing to empty seats, the Dead this
    week begin yet another record-breaking run -- nine sold-out shows at
    Madison Square Garden.
    
    These handmade concerts, of course, are for screaming tie-dyed children
    -- and a good many sheepish suits in search of a brief, nostalgic
    escape into Deadland after another troubling New York day.
    
    "The good times get harder to come by," Garcia says.  "We're like an
    alternative to two weeks at the beach, a little vacation spot where you
    can go to feel good about people again."
    
    Still others, who crave that warmth but can't handle the space jams and
    the drum solos that define every Dead show, are off to record stores to
    pick up a new bit of Dead product:  Jerry Garcia Band (Arista), a live
    two-CD set that captures Garcia's second job, as leader of the quartet
    that *he* uses to escape space jams and drum solos.  Garcia's father
    named him after Jerome Kern, but "the legitimate music world was
    something that I was never a part of," he says.  "So it's fun for me to
    dabble in."
    
    Rambling through beloved R&B, Motown, reggae, and rock standards,
    Garcia's voice creaks like an old rocker left too long on the porch,
    but his guitar sparkles and roars.  He even manages to invigorate
    Dylan's too familiar "I Shall Be Released":  Against a surging organ
    background, he unspools a delicate single-note guitar chorus, then
    mixes crisp rhythm and lead to create a kind of aural launching pad,
    and finally rockets away on stinging, bent, elongated phrases --
    searching for the sonic heaven where John Coltrane is jamming with
    bluegrass fiddler Scotty Stoneman.
    
    "Coltrane's 'Ascension,'" he says, "is like taking a walk through
    somebody's mind:  It's serious, then beautiful, lyrical, then sober --
    a range of emotions that all seem so accessible.  It has to do with
    playing from intuition, not stopping to think.  The first guy I saw do
    something like that was Stoneman, in 1964, who took an A-A-B-A fiddle
    tune and extended it for fifteen minutes with these unbelievably
    expressive seventeen-bar phrases."
    
    Garcia has always applied such modal-jazz ideas to his music; some
    nights are more expressive than others.  On the best of them, his
    guitar seems to speak differently to each mind in the crowd, creating a
    strange intimacy between him and his fans, some of whom come away
    convinced he was addressing them -- and them alone.
    
    "It's a little bit like UFOs," he says, laughing.  "There are reports
    but no tangible evidence.  'You were playing what I was thinking' --
    I've heard that so many times, I've got to think there's something
    going on."  But who knows what?
    
    							- Eric Pooley
    
    

    By the way, there's a good article/interview with Garcia in this
    month's Guitar Player. It focuses on his new acoustic CD with Grisman 
    and he talks quite a bit about his philosophy towards playing acoustic
    music. I won't type it in because it's long and it's also readily
    available at most music and some book stores.
    
    - Dave

    Also, there was an article in last week's Jewish Advocate (no
    kidding!).
    
    	~dave
    

    There was a nice review of the new JGB CD and the new Henry Kaiser CD
    in this morning's Calendar section of the Globe. The reviews follow.
    
    Jerry Garcia Band Live (Arista) by Steve Morse
    
    Jerry Garcia does not slow down.It's enough that he's busy with the
    Grateful Dead, which will play in Boston Garden at six shows later this
    month. But he's got another life with the Garcia Band, which will
    tentatively play the Worcester Centrum in November. To build further
    momentum, he's released this sterling double album from various tour
    stops, none of them specified, last year. There are a few slow moments,
    such as an interminable "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." But most
    songs excel with his piquant guitar journeys are flair for reinvention.
    He adds subtlety to the Beatles' "Dear Prudence," fresh soul to Smokey
    Robinson's "The Way You Do the Things You Do," smooth gospel to Peter
    Tosh's "Stop That Train," a cooking shuffle beat to Los Lobos'
    "Evangeline," lush optimism to Bruce Cockburn's "Waiting for a
    Miracle," and just plain raw power to "Deal," the only Dead song. He
    also does four Dylan tunes, topped by "Simple Twist of Fate." This is a
    must for Garcia and Dead fans alike.
    
    Henry Kaiser--Hope You Our New Direction (Reckless) Mick Skidmore
    
    Henry Kaiser is not only a technically brilliant guitarist, but one
    with a far-reaching musical vision. In his latest album, he plays
    musical chameleon. Some 27 of his regular collaborators help out,
    including Richard Thompson, Tom Constanten, and Korean musician Sang
    Won Park. Given Kaiser's penchant for the esoteric and unexpected, it's
    no suprise to find David Essex's teen-pop song, "Rock On," becoming a
    masterful 13-minute fusion epic, followed by an acoustic Hawaiian
    gospel song. Both cuts offer contrasting examples of his expansive,
    innovative guitar style. A cover of the Mamas and Papas' "California
    Dreamin'" is spruced up by wailing Hendrix-like leads. Add a
    traditional folk version of "Cold Rain and Snow," a couple of
    exploratory free-form guitar pieces, and you have a superb album from
    one truly great guitar player. (Available from Reckless Records, 1401
    Haight St, San Francisco, CA 94117.)

The Grateful Dead Movie will be on CH 11 (NH) tomorrow night (Saturday) at
10PM (not sure about the time..check your local listings).






Jim

Apparently, this past Sunday's Boston GLobe had an article on the Boyz (in
the Arts section).

This Friday's Boston Globe is going to feature the Grateful Dead coming to
Boston in many sections of the paper.

JC

Picked up conversations with the Dead over the weekend...grate reading.  Is 
there an error in the first interview with Hunter, where they're talking about
Tennessee Jed?  Gans refers to it as Tennessee Jack.  Or was that the original
name of the tune?





Jim 

    (re 33.244)
    
    Yes John there was quite an article in the Sunday Globe which I've
    already clipped and sent to my DeadHead daughter in Eugene, Oregon.
    
    I got all excited when I saw that the Grateful Dead were coming
    to the Garden...  Then I saw the newsprint saying "all 8 nights
    sold out."
    
    I do have a naive request to buy two tickets, placed in Note 20
    somewhere.  Neither my wife nor I have ever been to a Dead concert.
    We don't want to go to our graves that way....
    
    Dave

    Steve Morse wrote the article .... in the past he has been less than
    kind in some of his  reviews...anyway he did bring up a point regarding
    planning of the sets, stating they do plan the first song and the 
    first songs or half of the second set...that was news..
    
    rich

	Don't remember whether it was thursday night of Friday night, but the
Dead made National News. 

	It was the endpiece human interest-type segment on the CBS evening
news. Dan Rather talked about the MSG run, deadheads, and had two short
innerviews; first with Billy and then again with Bobby.	They also interviewed a
deadhead who was a trial lawyer by day and a deadhead by night. 

	The segment was extremely positive about the band in general, and the
the ending credits to the newscast showed the band playing Promised Land.

	Why is it that national media-wise, the Dead are o.k., but in almost
every localized media report (barring those from the bay area and NYC), the
dead are demonized??? 

>	Why is it that national media-wise, the Dead are o.k., but in almost
>every localized media report (barring those from the bay area and NYC), the
>dead are demonized??? 

Maybe the national media see a broader picture of the Dead, and locally someone 
may see only a piece of the picture and has the power to write whatever s/he 
sees in that picture.  Just a guess....

Scott

    re .247
    
    I've always liked Steve Morse's reviewing style, and he's been fair to
    complimentary to the Dead since I've been reading his stuff (3-4 yrs.). 
    Maybe he's mellowed and realized that reviewing the Dead is, IMHO,
    pretty pointless.
    
    re .248
    
    I wuz at Lechmere looking for a VCR when that segment came on.  I was
    surrounded by 10000 TVs all playing the Dead!!  High weirdness.
    
    I've now entered the 90s and bought my first VCR.  Hi-Fi is the only
    way to go, IMO -- the sound on the Allman Bros. video "Brothers of the
    Road" was excellent.  Tonight I'll try recording the GDH from WBCN if I
    can master the web of cables in the living room.
    
    Jamie

    Scott that is a good guess...I kinda feel that locals also feel
    overwhelmed by it all and on the national side they look at the broader
    side (as you stated)
    
    rich

My take was more like this...

	In cosmopolitan places, the people and media have a more liberal, 
accepting attitude towards the somewhat unusual, whereas in the boonies (like, 
say Worcester), people and media are more close-minded about that which they do 
not understand.

    
    >      In cosmopolitan places, the people and media have a more liberal,
    >accepting attitude towards the somewhat unusual, whereas in the boonies
    >(like, say Worcester), people and media are more close-minded about that 
    >which they do not understand.
    
    This was pretty much my first thought as well.  Besides, you have to
    pretty darn weird to get noticed in NYC. :-)
    
    

RE: dead in the nat'l media vs. local media

Perhaps this will all change with the times.  Economically, the Dead are
thriving while others are sinking.  Perhaps the local press won't be so
hard on them in the future, as the local city will want them to come
back so more dough gets pumped into the local economy.  Maybe not though.

RE: the Boston Globe

Today I spoke w/ someone who does some writing and research for the Globe
(matter of fact, he was asking me a dead-type question for Friday's edition).
He said that he is working hard to keep the negative things out of the paper
about the boyz.  He said that they will be reviewing the Friday show;  the
guy doing the review was described to me as the "punk rocker" reviewer (a
Globe regular who's name escapes me at this moment).  So, who knows how the
review will turn out (Morse is not doing it because he wrote Sunday's
article).

    re .-1
    
    Sounds like Jim Sullivan to me.
    
    All the hype surrounding the Dead's return to Boston (which will be
    hyped up much more than if they returned to Worcester) will be fun and
    annoying (which radio station will be "Boston's home of the Dead"?). 
    Almost as much fun as going to a show.  :^)  :^)
    
    Jamie

    yep and Charles and his side kicks will start getting sickening sweet 
    and oh so cute.......patuweeeeeeeee
    
    rich

	Yah, Jamie, I think that is the name (Jim Sullivan).  As for the radio
hype, it'll make me throw up.  I wonder how many times ZLX will play Sugar
Magnolia and Uncle Johns band during the day?  I wonder if they realize that
the boyz do have other songs and other albums ?  I'll avoid the radio and 
listen to tapes.

    yep the stations sure do realize there are other songs.....Truckin
    thats when they really go out on a limb.....howver I do remember 
    MDK playing (prior to 9/9) Blues for Allah one Sunday Morning
    (the song )
    
    rich

    
    
    
      Jerry made the front page of the Boston Globe this morning....
    
    
    - bob -

    I didn't know Jerry worked at the Globe as a printer ! :')

    
    ....and the top of the front page of the Herald
    
    ...and the WHOLE page for the pull-out section "SCENE." (Herald)
    
    ...and the front page of the Herald's business section.
    
    ...one article is titled "The Deadheads are coming!"
    
    
    
    Steve-O
    

    yeah, but is he on the same page as Kermit the Frog????  :^)
    
    				da ve_who_was

I read the Hearald articles at lunch - nothing hit me as neagtive, except that 
whenever they talk about Brent they say "after his drug-related death", why 
can't they just say "after his death".  Anyway, Jerry does do a grate job of 
standing up for the fans!

Check it out if you can...

Scott

    The Globe article was great!  They talked about The Dead as American
    Shamain... a unique American phenominon. :-)
    
    Mary

    
    So, isn't anyone gonna type it in??
    
    

	
RE: phyllis

	ah, it is quite long!  no time to type it in...

	i read the NY Times article on the boyz;  pretty much the
	same stuff here.

RE:                  <<< Note 33.267 by XCUSME::MACINTYRE >>>
>                              -< From the Globe >-

>    GARCIA FOR PRESIDENT?
>    By Alex Beam
    

	Wow, That was a lot kinder than I would have expected from Mr. Beam.

Really,

Fog

    re .-1
    
    I thought that would surprise you.  Beam moved from the business
    section to the op-ed pages a couple months ago and he seems to be free
    to write about any subject he chooses.  "Garcia For President" appeared
    above an editorial on "US Angola Policy has Nicaragua Overtones."
    
    Today's Globe has a short interview with Jerry in it.  It made me feel
    kind of sad about Jerry even though he says he's having fun.  Spending
    that much time in the bowels of Madison Square and Boston Gardens is
    enough to depress anyone, I suppose.
    
    Jamie

Today's Dead interview in the Globe (by Steve Morse) mentioned the boyz taking
6 months off next year.  Sounds like Jerry is psyched for this tour to be over,
for reasons Jamie mentioned...

yeah they mentioned the time off in the ?Friday's? Globe where they
interviewd Hunter - the band member who gets to stay home (their words).

Actually Hunter mentioned the time off, using it to write a lot of new
tunes and how he's about to get excited cause it's been quite a while...
he mentions in that interview that after he pens the tune he has nothing
else to do.  The band can play the tune and get off/excited about
doing it but he writes it and that's it....

bob

    
    So "this could be the last time" for the Boston Garden as it now
    stands.   I wonder if they will take off right after new years show and
    be back in time for a fall tour.
    
    Carol_greedy

    Did sumbuddy say NEW TUNES?  YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
    
    tim
    
    

    
    I read for the first time about "Infrared Roses" and album being put
    together  by some dead_soundguy.  It will be comprised of drumz/space
    from forever .. patched together in an hour long CD !!!!!! or so
    reported by Dupree Diamond News. 
    
    Is this old news to you all?  
    Carol

	a friend of mine stopped by today, and brought me a bunch
	of articles she cut out of the Globe last week...

	I thought I'd enter the most interesting one, Steve Morse's interview
	of Jerry...

	Debess

	general setup stuff...

	Q: What's it like returning to the Garden?   It's been 10 years.
	JG: To tell you the truth, I don't remember what it used to be like,
	so I can't compare it.  It's smaller than Madison Square Garden, where
	we just played, so it's a little like going into a nice cozy little
	room after that.

	Q: How do you rate the shows here so far?
	JG: I can't do that.  To me, it's too much of a personal thing.
	I get hung up in my own little world and I'm not competent to
	call 'em.  If I look from a judging perspective, I judge really
	harshly.  So for me, I've got to escape that perspective.

	Q:  Is it more comfortable playing these long runs?  You just did
	nine nights in NY and now six in Boston.
	JG: There are some things about it that are more comfortable.  You
	don't have to travel alot, so you take that anxiety completely out
	of the experience.  On the other hand, there's something about
	playing to an audience in the same place over and over that gets me a
	little funny.  If those runs go too long, I get to feeling really
	stale.

	Q: What about working in the new musicians?
	JG: It's a very different band now - and it will be another two or
	three years before this band becomes something specific.  Right now,
	it's a makeup game.  The new guys are trying to learn what the rest
	of us have learned together;  and the rest of us are trying to 
	_unlearn_ what we've learned so we can see what the new guys can
	offer...I'm not looking for real serious musical experiences now.
	These are like exploratories.  You just have to take the long view.
	Sometimes we have a good night anyway, but we're still groping.
	We're still feeling around for the right form.  Some things work
	better than others, but we're making progress.

	Q: What things are working better than others?
	JG: It varies from show to show.  It's too early to say, "Well, 
	this song definately doesn't work; or does work."  It hasn't gotten
	to that level and hopefully it won't.  We're not into accepting 
	limitations at this point.

	Q: Is it a style thing, like the rock 'n' roll elements work better
	than, say, the country blues?
	JG: No, it hasn't fallen along any lines so far.  It mostly has to do
	with a Grateful Dead _feel_ that's rhythmic in nature and tough to
	teach.  It isn't exactly a shuffle beat and isn't exactly a straight
	rhythm.  It's an inbetween thing, something we invented amongst
	ourselves early on.

	Q: Regarding the tragedy with Brent, how were you struck by what
	happened?
	JG: It's always a blow to lose a friend and I find myself losing them
	more and more frequently now.  And for that part of it, nothing helps.
	It's just pain.  You share the pain with everyone else who's 
	experiencing it; and that's about as much as you can do.  Then you 
	have to just push on.  With us, it was tough, because Brent never
	really was totally comfortable.  I don't think he ever felt
	completely a part of the band...That may be partly our fault, I don't
	know.  We made a lot of effort to reach out to him; and he was with
	the band for 10 years.  That's a long time...But the big thing is we
	miss him and there's no replacing him.

	Q: Was the whole audition process a strain for you?
	JG: Yes, very much.  Trying to teach somebody new so much music so
	quickly, that's a grind.  And for me, going over all that material
	that I'm already pretty burned out on added to my fatigue.  We're
	now talking about taking some serious time off.

	Q: I've been hearing about a 6 month hiatus next year.
	JG: Yeah, we're ready for it.  We really are.  We've been working real
	hard for a long time and haven't stopped to take the temperature of
	the water or anything.  We've just been blasting along.  So it looks
	like a hiatus is going to happen.

	Q: You stay busy outside of the Dead, too.  Do you need time off from
	that as well?  I hear you're coming to the Centrum in November with
	your solo band.
	JG: Some things are harder work than others.  The Grateful Dead
	tends to be harder work than the other stuff.  The other things are
	more fun than they are work.

	Q: About the whole phenomenon of the Dead, it seems like it's never
	been more popular.  Is there a big responsibility to that?
	JG: No, I can't honestly accept that as a responsibiliity.  I can't
	say, "Well, these are my people and I feel this way or that."
	I just do what I do - and I'm always amazed there are people that
	like it.  Why do people like it?  I don't know.  I just do it -
	and try to enjoy it if possible.  I don't go on stage with some kind
	of messianic vision or anything.  I'm basically going out there
	hoping my guitar is in tune.

	Q: Ever since the diabetic coma, it seems you've played with a 
	renewed sense of life.  It seems you've had more good nights than
	ever before.
	JG: Well, that's flattering.  But to tell you the truth, I n't
	remember what it _used_ to be like.  Not really.  Not in the
	sense of the quality.  But I will say there's something about 
	having a near-death experience that helps you cut through the
	B.S....A lot falls by the wayside.  And how much of that spills over
	to your playing stylisticallly is something I'm not able to figure
	out.  But certainly it changed me and must have changed my
	playing.  Most of my energy in life has been to make the line 
	between myself and my playing as invisible as possible.

	Q: Are there any more musicians you want to play with?  I notice
	you just made an album with David Grisman.
	JG: David and I work really well together.  I'll play with him
	again.  And I'm going to keep my own band going because it's a really
	happy combination of musicians.  And I love playing with Bruce.	
	I'll keep playing with him in the Grateful Dead or whatever.
	Otherwise I'm pretty wide open.

	Q: You must get so many requests to do outside things.  You also
	dis a session with Warren Zevon last year.  What is your criteria
	for choosing at this point?
	JG: Only one - is it going to be fun?  That's the only criteria
	I ever have.

Got this in the mail from New Hampshire Public Television...


A new series called "Edge" which will explore arts and entertainment issues
debuts Wed Oct 11 at 9PM.  It includes a segment which looks at the phenomenon
of Deadheads and includes appearances by Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir and other
band members.  Repeat dates are Friday 10/4 at midnight and Monday 10/7 at 11PM.

This is on Ch 11 in New Hampshire.  Not sure if its on other PBS stations.
Check your local listings.






Jim

    Did anyone happen to videotape a news segment that featured an 
    interview with the tapers at Boston Garden? I'm looking for a 
    copy since I think I'm in it.

    Next Sunday, WBCN will hgave a 30-minute interview with Dan Healey.
    Don't know the exact time, but it's on their morning talk show.
    
    Anyone catch the 7:30 report last Thursday on channel 4? (Those who
    didn't go to the show) They did 5 or 10 minutes on the Dead at the
    garden, interviewed Bob and Mickey, and showed cuts of Little Red
    Rooster and Touch of Grey. Also talked with a bunch of heads, like one
    guy who figures he's seen at least 1000 shows. Not a bad little piece.
    
    That may have been the show Gerry asked about, they talked with some
    tapers but I didn't notice you. I can't videotape yet since I don't
    have an antenna attached to my (borrowed) vcr.
    
    Scott
    

From the net, reposted here with permission...

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From: David Gans <well!tnf@apple.com>
Subject: _Unbroken Chain_ interview
Reply-To: well!tnf@apple.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1991 00:45:15 GMT


Ihor asked me to post this:

Topic 126 - Unbroken Chain interview topic
by David Gans (tnf)  Thu, Apr 18, 1991 (09:48)
 
126, 1 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Thu, Apr 18, 1991 (20:36)
  You wrote that you were more  or less dragged to your first show in 1972 and
19 years later, you are involved with the band on so many levels and projects,
specifically the Deadhead hour and your books, and now the well.  It has
obviously been a large part of your life.  What is it that keeps the fire
burning, so to speak?
  And how did you come to establish this relationship with the band, its music,
and Deadheads worldwide?

126, 2 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Thu, Apr 18, 1991 (22:22) 41
  The music is what keeps the fire burning.  The first thing I latched on to in
1972 was the songwriting, because that's what I was into at the time.  What the
Dead were doing was so much more interesting - or, I should say, interesting on
so many more levels - than what I'd been listening to before.  You could hear a
lot of music in their music.  I had had my mind opened by Commander Cody and
his Lost Planet Airmen, possibly the best live band I ever saw - country, R&B,
Western Swing, etc - and the Dead encompassed a lot of those influences and
then some.  I wasn't as brainy as the Dead, but I started to become aware of
many different kinds of music through what I heard from the Dead.
  My relationship with the band was purely as a spectator from 1972 to 1977.
In 1976 I started writing for BAM (Bay Area Music) Magazine.  At the same time
I got a job at BASS (now Ticketmaster), which gave me access to tickets for
shows!  (Incidentally, GD Ticket Manager Steve Marcus was working there at the
same time, so we've been friends for almost 15 years.)  I started trying to get
interviews with my favorite musicians, and of course the Grateful Dead was at
the top of that list.  There was a "Dead Ahead" column in BAM, and that became
my responsibility for a while.  When Mickey Hart broke his collarbone in a car
crash, I did a phone interview with him.  I reported on the opening of the
Grateful Dead Movie - stuff like that.  (Blair Jackson of _Golden Road_  fame
was on the staff of BAM and eventually became managing editor; to his credit,
he didn't hog all the Dead assignments for himself - he was very generous about
that).
  My first full-length interview with a Dead guy was with Bob Weir, while he
was working on _Heaven Help the Fool_ in LA in August 1977.  In November of
that year I interviewed Robert Hunter, and that was a major thrill because he
was just beginning to emerge from his self-imposed invisible period.
 I went to LA again for Weir's first gig w/ the Bob Weir Band in February 1978.
Brent Mydland was the keyboardist in that group, by the way - that's how he got
on the path that led to membership in the GD.  So before long Bob knew who I
was and I felt comfortable calling him up to see what was going on.
  By the way, all these interviews I'm talking about are about to be published
in book form (Conversations with the Dead) by Citadel Underground.

126, 3 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Fri, Apr 19, 1991 (14:45) 4
  David, tell us more about _Conversations with the Dead_.  What inspired you
to collect your interviews and put them into book form? There must be some
great stories arising from these interviews.  Would you care to share one or
two with us?

126, 4 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Fri, Apr 19, 1991 (14:59) 21
  My friend Dan Levy created the Citadel Underground series, planning to put
important counterculture documents back into print.  Stuff like Emmett Grogan's
"Ringolevio" and Don McNeill's "Moving Through Here" that dealt with a specific
time that is now suffering from revisionism and the paving over of the '60s
dream.  Books about drugs, books about music, other material pertaining to that
zeitgeist that sprouted in the postwar years, took root in the Beat Generation,
and flowered in the Haight.  It's still there if you know where to look for it,
and Dan and I agreed that the Grateful Dead scene was a significant outpost.
  There's a bootleg edition of the 1981 Jerry Garcia interview I did with Blair
Jackson - a fellow we know made copies of the transcript.  Levy saw that and,
realizing that huge fascinating chunks of it had never been published (even
though I did a second cut of it for _Record_ magazine in '82), suggested that a
collection of my magazine pieces might make a good book.  I was thrilled,
because I've always been kinda bummed that magazine articles tend to disappear
after a month.
  It is truly an honor to be included in the Citadel Underground line.
 
126, 7 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Sat, Apr 20, 1991 (16:17) 4
  You [mentioned] that the GD scene was a significant outpost for the idealism
of the 60's.  Many people feel that in 1991, it is the only one which remains.
How has the scene and what it represents changed and/or evolved in your
estimation?

126, 8 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Sun, Apr 21, 1991 (12:19) 28
  Big question.
  I think what happened to the Haight has been happening to the Dead scene in
the last few years.  What started out as a small group of like-minded and
cooperative people with a good idea has attracted a larger number of people who
see the pleasant surface but may not be aware of the amount of energy required
to maintain it.  I was a kid on the San Francisco peninsula during the Summer
of Love, and my visits to the Haight were few and brief, but I have learned a
great deal about what went on there by reading about it and talking with people
who lived it.
  The people who enjoyed the "freedom" of the original hippie community were
also committed to taking _responsibility_ for themselves and helping each
other.  When the big world caught wind of that, the neighborhood was inundated
with people who came for the freedom but had no intention of taking
responsibility for themselves, let alone contributing to the welfare of their
neighbors.  It wasn't really anybody's fault - although I've heard people say
in retrospect that they may have been a little too proud of it - it's what
happens when a good thing draws attention to itself.
  Not only was the Haight invaded by well-intentioned kids who threw the
consumer/provider balance out of whack, but there was also a major influx of
exploiters who saw only a market and had no sympathy for the original
experiment.  To them, all these kids were CUSTOMERS and nothing more. 
  The parallels are clear.
  The RESPONSIBILITY thing went without saying, and now it's probably too late
to do much good by making it explicit.

126, 10 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Tue, Apr 23, 1991 (08:32) 6
  You produce a nationally syndicated radio program, _The Grateful Dead Hour_.
It features "concert tapes from recent radio shows and classic performances
from the Dead's tape vault."  Although it is broadcast by over 40 stations
nationwide, many deadheads do not have access to this excellent program.  Tell
us about it.

126, 11 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Tue, Apr 23, 1991 (11:37) 1
  What do you want to know?  How to get it on the air in your town?

126, 12 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Tue, Apr 23, 1991 (15:01) 5
   That sounds like an excellant place to start!  (I was assuming that although
many people had heard of your show they may not have actually heard it
...living in Richmond, I only hear it on rare occasions when I'm traveling
through D.C. on Sunday nites at just the right time. And what a welcome respite
it is.)

126, 13 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Tue, Apr 23, 1991 (20:08) 20
  Grassroots is the way to go.  The program is distributed to public radio as
well as to commercial stations, and I prefer the public (or community or
college) stations because they can get the program via the National Public
Radio satellite.
  Find the NPR affiliate in your area.  Listen to it and see if they play
anything remotely resembling popular music - jazz, folk, country, anything
except all-classical or all-news.  Then get all your friends to write letters
asking for the Grateful Dead Hour.  It helps if you promise to become a
subscriber to the station (and that means giving them money).  If you know of a
business in the area that might be willing to underwrite the program (give the
station money in exchange for a mention on the air when the show comes on),
that would be helpful too.
  When you write to the station, give them my name and number (510-465-9675).
And write to me (or email me) and tell me what stations you're campaigning for
so I can send them some information too.
  Check out the gdh conference in the Well. if there isn't a topic for your
town, open one.  This is a great community building tool!
  It doesn't have to be an NPR affiliate.  The GD Hour is on a lot of
commercial stations, too.  To make that happen, you need a sponsor willing to
buy advertising, which can be expensive.

126, 15 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Fri, Apr 26, 1991 (05:50) 2
  How did the Deadhead Hour evolve from initial concept to national
syndication?

126, 16 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Sun, Apr 28, 1991 (14:39) 57
  The Deadhead Hour was started by KFOG in November 1984.  I got in touch with
them as a guest on February 1985 because my book, Playing in the Band, was
about to come out.  I did a feature about "Greatest Story Ever Told," with Robt
Hunter, Mickey Hart and Bob Weir talking about how the song evolved from a
recording of a pump at Mickey's, and I played some rarely-performed songs from
somewhere.  I had so much fun doing it that I asked if I could come back and do
more programs.
  The guy who was doing it, M. Dung, was already working six days a week
(including the morning show every weekday, the most punishing gig in the radio
bidness), so he was happy to have me helping out.  Within a few months it was
my gig, and they even started playing me a tiny bit of money each week.  I was
hooked, and my paying work started to suffer, so I went to the band and asked
for permission to sell the program to other stations.
  In mid-'87 I started sending tapes to Philadelphia, San Diego, New York City
and Hartford, and over the next few months I got the list up to 16 stations.
Then I started talking to syndication companies about taking over distribution.
I made a deal with one company, bought a bunch of equipment and started putting
my energy into the program itself while they took care of getting it onto radio
stations and selling the ads.
  It was not the most satisfying year of my life.  The syndicator didn't seem
to know how to sell the program to advertisers, and as is always the case with
mass-market stuff like this they tended not to want much adventure in the
content of the show.  We had arguments about stuff like Phil Lesh playing his
favorite jazz records, and they flat-out rejected my program on David Crosby
even though it had a studio tape that had never been heard by anyone (Crosby
and Nash w/ Garcia, Lesh and Kreutzmann, the original recording of "The Wall
Song" with a five-minute jam that was left out of the released version) and
other neat stuff.
  So at the end of the first year the syndicator did me a huge favor: he gave
up the Grateful Dead Hour and he paid off the balance of the money he had
guaranteed us.  This left me with 64 stations to talk to and enough money in
the bank to survive while I rebuilt my network.  
  This time I started aiming at public radio stations, for a number of reasons.
First is satellite distribution: the GD Hour is uplinked to the NPR satellite
every week, so it's easy to add new station.  The other reason has to do with
"creative freedom": while mainstream rock stations (with several notable
exceptions) tend to hate interviews and long, spacy jams and music by musicians
other than the Dead themselves, public radio tends to accept and even encourage
the more thoughtful and diverse aspects of the Grateful Dead Hour. 
  There are several major commercial stations carrying the Grateful Dead Hour,
and for the most part they do not interfere with the content of the Hour.  Once
in a while a station will refuse to air a show (e.g. the Dan Healy interview a
few weeks ago - "too much talk," said WNEW. I sent the show to WBAI and they
put it on the air.  What the hell?), and I really appreciate the fact that they
respect the program and its audience - but in general, public radio seems a
more appropriate home for the Grateful Dead Hour.
 
126, 17 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Sun, Apr 28, 1991 (16:18) 6
  The show about the origins of the Pump Song was great!!! I remember hearing a
fascinating rap version of "Fire on the Mountain" on the same broadcast.
Another broadcast featured Jerry Garcia and Sara playing at the Tangent in Palo
Alto in 1963.  The actual tape quality was superb. How far back do the taped
archives go? How do you ferret out these diamonds from amongst the endless
hours of tapes?

126, 18 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Sun, Apr 28, 1991 (20:12) 17
  The Dead's archive is pretty full, but there are plenty of gaps.  The Jerry
and Sara show was not one of mine.  At first there were a couple of people
helping out with the Deadhead Hour.  That one was dome by Dr. Richard Raffel,
who sometimes pops up here in the Well as (rif).
  How do I "ferret out these diamonds"?  I have plenty of favorite tapes from
my own years of collecting, but I also get lots of ideas from the Well and in
the mail from listeners.  The guy who's in charge of the vault, Dick Latvala,
knows that stuff inside and out.  He's never turned me on to a bad tape, ever.
Last time I was there I said, "Show me a great tape from 1974" and he pulled
out 6/28/74 Boston Music Hall.  The set list looked great, and the recording
quality is superb; the performance was wild, ragged in spots but extremely high
energy.
 
126, 19 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Mon, May  6, 1991 (06:09) 4
  Even by todays standards the tapes from the vault sound fantastic. Who had
the foresight to record and archive all this classic music and what type of
equipment was utilized.

126, 20 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Mon, May  6, 1991 (10:36) 4
  I think it started with Bear.  He wanted to hear his mixes to see how he's
doing from show to show, and the musicians liked to hear the jams to see what
they could learn.  I know about that because I listen to most of my
performances the next day to see what we did right and wrong.

126, 21 of 35: kriss m wilson (kwilson) Mon, May  6, 1991 (13:01) 1
  It must be exciting to perform live. Would you please fill us in on your
band.

126, 24 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Tue, May  7, 1991 (16:43) 26
  This version of the band - Crazy Fingers - has been playing together for
seven or eight years.  We've been playing regular gigs in clubs for the last
two or three years.  Bob Nakamine, the other guitarist, and I have been playing
together since 1973, first on acoustic guitars in our living rooms and later in
backyard parties, etc.  I've been a semi-pro musician since 1970.  After I got
into the Dead (1972) I got interested in being in a band (I played solo before
that), and I've been in groups of various sizes, shapes and styles off and on
since 1974.  The band I'm in now has four permanent members (me on guitar and
vocal; Bob on guitar; Mike Shaw on drums; Van Solkov on bass, and we have a
keybopard player (MItchell Stein) who sits in from time to time and several
other people who have been jamming with us recently and may become regulars.
  Our style is very obviously Dead-inspired - continuous sets of songs linked
by jams and dance grooves - but our repertoire is very different from the
Dead's and much less Dead-oriented than most "clone" bands.  We do a few GD
songs the way they do them - Playing in the Band and Scarlet Begonias, for
example - and we do songs they don't do any more, e.g. Mason's Children and New
Speedway Boogie (dammit!).  But we try to avoid GD cliches and put things
together in way that are uniquely our own.  Our performances usually include
songs like Sultans of Swing, Rocket Man, Things We Said Today, Cinnamon Girl,
Let It Rock, Taxman, and an increasing number of original compositions.  Recent
additions to the list include One Time One Night (Los Lobos), Wheels (Gram
Parsons), This Wheel's On Fire (The Band), and Bluebird (Buffalo Springfield).
And we occasionally do Psycho Killer, often in a medley with our thrash version
of Dark Star.

126, 29 of 35: wake me up in the mornin dewd (kwilson) Fri, May 17, 1991
  Does your upcoming book _Conversations with the Dead_ include interviews
with persons who affected and/or influenced the GD and its scene such as Mr.
Owsley?

126, 31 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Mon, Jun 17, 1991 (14:39) 6
  Conversations with the Dead includes interviews with Bob Weir ('77, '81,
'83); Jerry Garcia ('81); Phil Lesh ('81, '82, '84); John Barlow ('82, '86);
Robert Hunter ('77, '88); Dan Healy ('82); Steve Parish ('83, with Jerry and
Phil), Owsley (aka Bear)('91), and I know I'm leaving someone out.
 
126, 30 of 35: wake me up in the mornin dewd (kwilson) Mon, Jun 17, 1991 
  Tell us a little bit about the WELL and how you came to be involved.

126, 32 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Mon, Jun 17, 1991 (15:09) 23
  My involvement with the Well started when Mary Eisenhart, Bennett Falk and I
got the idea to create an electronic meeting place for Deadheads.  I had worked
with computers in the late '70s and early '80s but while I was away   personal
computers and modems became available to individuals and the online revolution
was beginning to take place.
  We decided to try our idea out in the Well, since it was already in existence
and we didn't have any money to buy a computer of our own.  It turned out to be
a natural combination, this community and this medium. As my friend Alan Mande
put it, when you're at the show you don't necessarily want to talk about it,
but it's still on your mind when you're back in "real life."  John Barlow
explained to me that the Deadhead community is a community without a
geographical location, but a strong community "as much as any mining town."  So
despite the limitations of this medium, which aren't many but are considerable
- you have to have access to a computer and a modem and a phone line and you
have to be willing to read and type - we have a place where people all over the
planet can meet virtually whenever they want to and share information and
feelings with others who share this interest.
  The Well Deahead experiment is a total success, in my opinion.  It is not
what we imagined when we started out planning our computer network, but it is
what it is and that's fine with most of the people who participate.

126, 33 of 35: asap (kwilson) Mon, Jun 17, 1991 (16:42) 2
  What DID y'all imagine would happen here and how does the reality differ the
original scheme of things?

126, 34 of 35: David Gans (tnf) Mon, Jun 17, 1991 (18:31) 21
  What we originally had in mind was more scholarly and less noisy than what
has evolved.  Mary, in particular, had a vision of a resource - a library where
people could read interviews and criticism and news reports - for scholarly
pursuits and individual study. 
  People just showed up and started talking!  What has evolved instead is a
"virtual village green," which is what I called it when we printed up leaflets
and handed them out at BCT in 1986.  Things got so big and busy that we started
spinning off specialized conferences - tickets, to make ordering info easier to
find; tours, to make set lists and show reports easier to find; deadlit, for
more "serious" discussions without the chatter that sometimes derails
discussions in the main conference - until now the Grateful Dead section of the
Well consists of seven or eight conferences frequented by literally hundreds of
users from coast to coast.

Did anybody see the thing on PBS last night?  The program was called Edge and
had a few interesting little reports on stuff..the last report was on the Dead
and showed some footage from shows (looked like Shoreline) and chats with some
vendors, tapers, and Garcia...well done, from what I can remember :^/.  Buck
Henry was the "correspondant" in the segment.






Jim

    RE: rdfofms (responsible drug crazed followers of flower child music
    scene)
    WHAT A GRATE T SHIRT!!!!!!!!!
                                 rfb

    RE .283
    I crazedly agree!!!  That's sounds just about right.
    
    I saw the show too.  It was a bit too short.  If I were a non-deadhead,
    I wouldn't know what to make of it with the information presented. 
    But, isn't that usually the case.  "If I don't get it, I don't like
    it."
    
    dave

They had a good "Help on the Way" clip, and some of Saturday night.

I wish Bucko wou;ld have said more, he's pretty funny at times.

In the Boston area, it's being replayed tonight and Friday.  I forget what
times, though.

adam

gonna see my smilin face on the cover of the rolling stone....

actually I don't know about the cover BUT:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LONG STALE TRIP:
The Grateful Dead has "been running on interia for quite a long time,"
says Jerry Garcia in a candid Rolling Stone interview, on newsstands
Oct. 15.  The band keeps touring to support a "huge" overhead and a
payroll, he says.  "So we have to figure out how we are going to make
this fun for ourselves."  A six month hiatus is on possibility, says 
Garcia, who is a bit mystified by the band's teen-age fans.  "What do 
they find facinating about these middle-aged bastards playing basically
the same thing we've always played?"

reprinted without permission from today's USA TODAY.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My comment on his teen-age fan comment - 
I dunno Jerry but I'll bet it helps pay the bills....

:)
bob

>Oct. 15.  The band keeps touring to support a "huge" overhead and a
>payroll, he says.  "So we have to figure out how we are going to make
>this fun for ourselves."  A six month hiatus is on possibility, says 
    
    
    Wait a minute!  I thought they were having fun?
    
    dave

>Oct. 15.  The band keeps touring to support a "huge" overhead and a

Yeah, come to think of it, that big steel girder over the stage with the 
lights and speakers and everything on it pretty big!  Must cost a lot!   ;-)

    to answer you Jerry...
    it's not that ya'll do it so good, ya'll are the only ones that do it
    
    plus I think that's a stupid question...esp. coming from you Jerry!
    
    unless you are just trying to piss off some o dem youngsters so
    they'll stop comin to the shows! 
                                    rfb

    .....not to branch over from the rumors note but I still think a break
    in the action is just what they need right now...unless they HAVE to
    tour to support the "habbit"/payroll....one of the comments that stick
    out from his globe interview was that "playing songs that he was
    already burnt out on"...this worries me....sure they will keep playing
    if the payroll needs it but what the hay if they aren't havin that much
    fun...take a break.  Plus some new material would be nice..or old/new.
    
    
    fwiw
    ric
       h

    FWIW, in the Well, someone said that "they just got off the phone with
    Mickey, and that he should 'get into the Well right away' and post that
    the band is presently booking a full schedule for 1992."
    
    

    I looked to see if a note was created for articals and couldn't 
    find one.  
    
    This month Jerry Garica is on the front cover of The Rolling Stones.
    He talks about Brents death, and the band, and his family.  He
    really gets involved deep.
    
    He talks about his daughters Heather. Keelin, Trixy and Annabel.
    He also talks about his father.  Very interesting.
    
    Tracy

    From a 1971 interview with Duane Allman in Good Times Magazine,
    reprinted in the Nov. '91 Guitar World:
    
    Who's the most exciting person that you've ever jammed with?
    
    I'd rather jam with my own band than anybody alive!  I've got the best
    players that there are.  But I'd like to jam with anyone who likes to
    play, and anybody who likes to can come around our set anytime.  Now,
    Jerry Garcia -- there's one I love to play with.
    
    Have you played with the Dead?
    
    I played with them in a boxing arena in Atlanta once.  Boy, there was a
    stink in that place!  It was great, though.  It was fun!  We also
    [joined them] on their set at the Fillmore one night.  And Peter
    Green's real good . . . 
    
    
    I know that Duane played with the Dead on 2-11-70 and 4-26-71, both at
    the Fillmore East, but I've never heard of a jam in Georgia.  Any
    ideas?  What boxing arena did the Dead play in Atlanta prior to
    10-29-71?  Maybe DeadBase V can clear this up.  Maybe Duane's memory was
    a bit fried.
    
    Jamie
    
    
    
    

    
    >>             <<< Note 33.294 by FRAGLE::IDE "now it can be told" >>>
    
    I don't know Jamie......I think this happened after Frosty melted....
    
    :^)
    
    Hogan

    
			:-) :-) :-)

    There was a show in Atlanta, at the Sports Pavilion(?), on 5-10-70.  My
    DB II doesn't have a set list for it, howzabout DB V?
    
    Jamie

From the Boston Globe sports section:

Headline: "Patriots Have the Final Say"

The article starts off:

"FOXBOROUGH - Twenty minutes after perhaps the most stirring moment in 
 Foxborough Stadium since the Grateful Dead were last here, Hugh Millen
 was facing the questions of the press..."


WE ARE EVERYWHERE!  8^)

    Jerry is on the cover of Rolling Stone this week, the October16 issue. 
    I recommend that you go out and buy it ASAP, because I think that the
    new issue might be coming out soon.  The article is an interview with
    Jerry that was done while he was in NY for the MSG shows.  I have not
    finished reading it yet, but I think that it is very good, giving me
    some added insight into the band and where they are at right now in
    their career.  There is talk of a 6 month layoff from touring, so that
    they can write a whole bunch more tunes.  
    
    It also sounds like Jerry is very psyched for this JGB tour, and that
    the shows will be pretty hot.  I think I might now work it out to be at
    more shows.
    
    Mike
    
    

    
    Channel 4 in Boston showed a clip of some of the Bill Graham tribute
    which was held Sunday in SanFran.  The announcer was amazed at the
    number of people (over 300,000) and that fact that the concert was
    free.  At the end of the news broadcast, the guy talked about the Dead
    and then they showed a clip of the boyz doing "Hellna...".  Camera
    stayed on Bobby's fact a lot - also showed Jerry looking very serious.
    
    Globe today mentioned that when the Dead came on the stage, a plane
    dropped a load of carnations on the crowd.
    
    carol

Garcia: Live Without the Dead

by Steve Morse

Boston Globe 11/7/91 Calendar Section p12

	When Jerry Garcia was in town for six Grateful Dead shows at Boston
Garden in September, he said that playing with his solo band was "more fun" 
than playing with the Dead., whose personnel changes have caused a strain that 
has the Dead mulling a six-month break. "When the Grateful Dead is fun, it's 
really fun, but lately its been more work than fun," Garcia told the Globe. Just
how committed is he to the solo band? "I'm going to keep it going, because it's
a happy combination of musicians. We have really good chemistry the way it is,"
he said prior to Jerry Garcia Band dates at the Providence Civic Center this 
Monday and the Worcester Centrum this Wednesday.
	The proof of the chemistry is clearly in his new double live album, 
"The Jerry Garcia Band." It's a festive, extended romp through many cover songs,
such as the Beatles' "Dear Prudence", Bruce Cockburn's "Waiting for a Miracle",
Peter Tosh's "Stop that Train" and four Bob Dylan tunes - "I Shall Be Released",
"Simple Twist of Fate", "Senor (Tales of Yankee Power" and "Tangled Up in Blue".
	Garcia's band has more of a gospel flair than the Grateful Dead, due
mostly to organist-keyboardist Melvin Seals, a fixture in San Francisco's gospel
scene.
	"Melvin Seals produces probably 50-60 percent of the gospel music in 
the Bay area," said Garcia. "He has a studio in his house and he's a choir 
director for I don't know how many churches. He's got a big hand in the gospel 
world. Plus, I love his playing. He plays exactly what I want to hear."
	A gospel feel is notably apparent for instance, on the Dylan tunes. 
Which begs the question: Why so many Dylan tunes on the double album?
	"Dylan's a great writer - certainly the greatest of our generation," 
said Garcia. "You can sing his songs and the feel (italics) right. There's an 
authenticity to them, an emotional reality that works. You can sing them over
and over again and they still work. That's the main thing I like about his 
songs. The other thing is that they're beautiful songs. They have beautiful 
melodies much of the time."
	Garcia backed Dylan four years ago during a joint Dylan/Dead tour that
hit Foxboro Stadium. But Garcia has a hard time explaining how it is to work 
with him. "As far as working with Dylan is concerned, he's a difficult guy to 
pin down. You can't characterize him very easily. He doesn't fall easily into
any definitions. He's his own guy entirely."
	The abundance of cover songs on the new album, whether Dylan or not,
suggests Garcia is having trouble writing new songs. This is indeed the case,
he confessed, in both his solo career and with the Grateful Dead.
	"For me, songwriting is like pulling teeth," he said. " I would 
personally rather do almost anything than write songs. But I feel I probably 
going to have to pretty soon. I'm pretty burned out on my old ones. So I guess 
it's going to be songwriting time at the old corral. But it's one of those 
things I look forward to about as much as a trip to the dentist."
	"Also, now I've written enough songs so that I have to worry: Am I 
plagiarizing myself? Am I a cartoon of one of my own songs? I mean, for me it's
tough to write a song that's a satisfying combination of ingredients - a good
melody, good chord changes, interesting rhythm, all those things."
	"I can write a lot of medium tunes that aren't particularly anything,"
he added. " I have to fight that tendency in myself. And sometimes I have a 
tendency to make songs simper than they need to be. I'm sort of neoclassicist
in an architectural sense. I like lines nice and clean. I like as few chords as
possible. But sometimes that gets a little tedious, you know? So I fight that 
conservative streak in me as a songwriter."
	"Sometimes I feel I'm a completely talentless songwriter. I'm a default 
songwriter. It's like one of those things that 'Hey, somebody in the band has 
to write.' Well, who's gonna do it? I guess it's going to be me. But I'm not
particularly gifted."
	When pressed, Garcia would much rather talk about his latest love - 
scuba diving. Before and after the Grateful Dead's last tour, he went scuba 
diving in Hawaii, where he can often be found when he's off the road.
	"Scuba diving is like another drug for me. It's something that's really 
fun to do. It's like a whole other world. It's just right for me. It's physical
without being strenuous. So after a month of that, I'm in great shape. It's
also like a psychedelic experience. It's extremely (italics) psychedelic - the
colors and so on. And it's like flying. It's just a special experience. I can't
compare it to anything else, but it changes your whole consciousness. When 
you're diving for a few days, even your dreams get different. You start 
adopting an underwater perspective, which is very beautiful."

         <<< Note 33.301 by SSGV02::STROBEL "Sssh - new dad asleep" >>>
>Garcia: Live Without the Dead

thanks for typing that in Jeff.....

>he said prior to Jerry Garcia Band dates at the Providence Civic Center this 
>Monday and the Worcester Centrum this Wednesday.

Prov Civic Center is on 11/19 which is a tuesday.  That's right isn't it?
:)
bob

    you're welcome. The Globe had the dates wrong and, with the 3 words/min
    I can type, I didn't double check.
    
    jeff

RE:      <<< Note 33.301 by SSGV02::STROBEL "Sssh - new dad asleep" >>>
                     -< Jerry article from today's Globe >-

>"I'm going to keep it going, because it's
>a happy combination of musicians. 

	Ha! This quote drummed up an image of Bob Ross, the Public TV Hotel 
Painting show guy. I can just see Jerry in Bob's place!  "And now here were 
painting a happy little boat, yehuh, and doesn't it look so special! You can 
create your own special little world all your own, yahuh, sure, jus like kyat."

:-)

    and let's drop this happy little tree in here...  go ahead!  you can do
    anything you want cuz, after all, it's your happy little world!  now,
    just a touch of this cadmium white to create the illusion of light...
    
    				da ve :^) :^) :^)

    thumbing through the "year in review", or whatever they call it, issue
    of rolling stone this morning i caught a few references to our favorite
    band...  also a good size article on Bill Graham...  didn't have the
    chance to read through it all, much less type it in...  but it's there
    for those who want to go look at it...
    
    						da ve

    
    	I found this info on the WELL.  I didn't edit it too much, and
    I don't have any connection with the  author, or the book. But anyways,
    here's yet antoher new book on the Dead,  Aesthetics of the Grateful 
    Dead: A Critical Analysis_
     
   This new book by David Womack covers territory not included in other
   books about the Dead. 
   
   This book is not yet widely known because it was self-published,
     and apparently not being sold through bookstores,
     but only by mail ($12.95 from Flying Public Press,
   P.O. Box 112, Palo Alto, CA 94301). 
   
   _Aesthetics_ appears to have been self-produced by Macintosh DTP, has
   no pictures or interviews, just 188 pages of text. The Chapters are:
   1. The Dead and Their Critics Part One
   2. The Dead and Their Critics Part Two
   3. The Grateful Dead Ethos
   4. The Grateful Dead's Music
   5. Record Reviews [about 50% of the book]
  

    Don't know where this goes but it was in the media...
    
    The Grammy nominations were announced the other day and Garcia-Grisman 
    was nominated as best Contemporary Folk album and Planet Drum was nominated 
    as best World Music album. Both are very good albums and could walk away 
    with Grammys. I wonder what the competition is like?
   
    Gerry

re:                      <<< Note 33.308 by SCOONR::GLADU >>>

> I wonder what the competition is like?
   
	I think I saw that Country Joe McDonald's "Superstitious Blues"
	is in the running for best contemporary folk.  I'd love to see
	it win.

	Ken

    Bonnie Raitt is up for song of the year.  IMHO she's gotten too
    mainstream and boring on her last 2 albums.  I have a great tape of her
    from '73 when she was young and hot, what a world of difference.  But
    at least she rented Richard Thompson for a few tracks.  Suppose it's
    better than yet another version of "From a Distance".
    
    I'd really like to see Country Joe win.  When I saw him a couple of
    months ago I asked him if he was going to record again, and he said the
    sales of Superstitious Blues were so good he's going to record another
    album.  Previously he had said this would be his last album.
    
    Scott
    

Someone mentioned that Golden Road was going to put out a new issue. IF that 
someone reads this could they point me to that note or repost the information.

Thanks,

Geoff

Geoff:

This is from memory, although I seem to recall that Phyllis (???) posted 
something in here earlier about The Golden Road.

The Golden Road will be publishing a single issue for 1992. The cost of this
single issue is $8.00. For this your satifaction with this mega-issue is
guaranteed or your oney will be refunded. The address is the same as always

	The Golden Road

	484 Lake Park Avenue #82
	Oakland, CA  94610

As I recall they will be mailing this issue out sometime around February 1st.

Hope this helps.

Jack

            <<< NECSC::SYS_CLUSTER:[NOTES$LIBRARY]GRATEFUL.NOTE;1 >>>
                 -< Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD >-
================================================================================
Note 34.25                         Dead Stuff                           25 of 39
TERAPN::PHYLLIS "Wake, now discover.."               34 lines  26-DEC-1991 08:38
                         -< The Golden Road is back!! >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Yes, the rumors are true...
   
           The Golden Road is coming Back!
   
   Blair and Regan are planning to put out a big "double issue" in
   late February/early March.  This will be the only issue for '92;
   maybe they'll do more in '93...
   
   They are seeking letters for their letters column: true stories,
   views on how the band sounds, what you think of Bruce and Vince,
   JGB, OFTV, Infrared Roses, Bob n Rob, Garcia-Grisman, Deadicated,
   the scene outside the shows, and so on...  
   
   For the "Funstuff" column, newspaper clips, GD TV & film sightings
   are needed.  Photos and Dead-related artwork are also needed.
   
   A free tape trader ad comes with each order; limited to ten words
   plus your name and address (no phone #'s pleez).  Personal messages
   are still $3 for 25 words or less; 10 cents for each word more.
   Product classified and ads also can also be purchased.
   
   Rush your check or money order for $8 ($10 outside US) payable to
   
           The Golden Road
           484 Lake Park Ave #82
           Oakland CA 94610
   
   Have your order in by Feb 1 to guarantee you'll be in the first mailing.
   
   Disclaimer:  Sorry for the slightly commercial bent of this posting.
   I am in no way affiliated with the Golden Road, besides being a 
   subscriber.

Thanks everyone,

I sent them a letter yesterday afternoon.

Geoff

Hey ... Saturday morning I was practicing my usual ritual of watching
looneytunes in my tweetybird night shirt drinking coffee from my tasmanian
devil mug when all of a sudden I lost the reception for ABC.  Bummer! Being
deprived of looneytunes is a big thing but better than being TEASED!! So
anyway, I flip around to find that only that ONE station (the ONE station with
looneytunes dammit!) was out.  But in addition to finding that channel 5 is the
only station to carry looneytunes I found Bob Weir talking about his book on
some sort of childrens talk show.  :-) 

Imagine the mood swings I went through!!  ;^)

I only saw the end of his talk so I can only gather he was there to talk about
his book.  What I did hear him say was how he hates being called an "aging
hippie" [sic] .. that aging hippies don't exist because they all died in the
60's.  And also that he finds tye-dyes, "trashy".

    re tye dyes "trashy"
    
    	Moderators,.. please delete this before Andy reads it.
    
    	Imagine the nerve of that Bob Weid dood,.. who does
    he think he is anyway?
    
    						/Bill_dyed_in_the_wool
    

re tie-dyes being "trashy"

Quite a strange comment.

Hmm ... I remember Bob W. making comments on TV last year about how he 
doesn't understand deadheads or the subculture (something to the effect).  Is
the man a little out of touch?

- DC

re:  tie dyes being trashy

what do you expect from a man who's wardrobe consists of IZOD shirts?

:)
many smiles!
bob

    
    > what do you expect from a man who's wardrobe consists of IZOD shirts?
    
    not to mention a Madonna t-shirt!  I don't think I'll adjust my
    wardrobe just yet. ;-)
    
    

re: <<< Note 33.317 by VMPIRE::CLARK "sleep in the stars" >>>

>>re tie-dyes being "trashy"

>Quite a strange comment.

    Not really.
    
>Hmm ... I remember Bob W. making comments on TV last year about how he 
>doesn't understand deadheads or the subculture (something to the effect).  Is
>the man a little out of touch?

    IMHO, the current version of Deadheads has very little in common with
    the scene 20+ years ago and is quite an entity unto itself.
    
    Old_FartG

    not to mention that Mr. Wier changes with the wind....I've not heard
    too many interviews but enough to know that bob contradicts himself
    quite often throughout the years...guess it's called growing up..
    
        ageing_hippy_rfb

re                      <<< Note 33.320 by SCOONR::GLADU >>>

>    IMHO, the current version of Deadheads has very little in common with
>    the scene 20+ years ago and is quite an entity unto itself.
    
How so?  I think there's a lot in common, and I'm glad there is.

    Well, for one thing, they're all KIDS nowadays...;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    hee hee hee
    
    tim
    

And what's wrong with IZOD's anyway??  I've got one.  I cut the arms off, cut
the neck out and made a prenty handy tank top!  

:^)

    I have a few reptile shirts, I wear them golfing (you must wear that
    kinda style !) now I've got a few white golf shirts I'd like to 
    tie-die ! Hell if some pro golfers can wear those stupid looking
    knickers then it should be ok for me to wear a tie-die golf shirt !
    
    Chris

re: <<< Note 33.322 by VMPIRE::CLARK "sleep in the stars" >>>

>How so?  I think there's a lot in common, and I'm glad there is.
    
    Well, today there's a micro-society that leeches off of concertgoers,
    the band (and itself) that is only out for it's own self-preservation
    and to keep itself supplied with concert tickets. People just weren't 
    as pre-occupied with ways to scam money off of others back then. Sure
    it existed on a small scale, but we're talking bigtime nowadays.
    
    Tie dyes weren't the norm and concert fans didn't have to succumb to 
    micro-social peer pressure in order to be accepted by others who frequent 
    shows. People were more just themselves rather than trying to look and
    act like stereotypical deadheads. I dunno, it all just seems so phony now.
    
    Then again, I'm generalizing here. I know very many people who don't
    fit the mold and those are the one's I can respect. 
    
    Gerry

re                      <<< Note 33.326 by SCOONR::GLADU >>>

>    Tie dyes weren't the norm and concert fans didn't have to succumb to 
>    micro-social peer pressure in order to be accepted by others who frequent 
>    shows. People were more just themselves rather than trying to look and
>    act like stereotypical deadheads. I dunno, it all just seems so phony now.
    
I think I understand what you mean, GerG.  Sometimes I feel like the 
deadhead scene is a little "forced" myself ... I guess you just can't tell
what the person in the tie-dye is thinking.  Myself, I wear them sometimes
because I like the color.  I think that's what attracted people to them in
the first place ... so I guess I was had some trouble hearing them called
"trashy," especially by one of the people so intimately connected with the
whole Dead psychedelic, sense-oriented experience.  Then again, I guess the
current-day existence of the whole psychedelic component could be debated, as
well ....

- Dave

    I guess what I meant to say is that deadheads are the current
    acceptable social norm at dead shows today - ie, the "establishment".
    They never would have been allowed to exist in the 60/70's. :-)
    
    - Gerry

    
    ....a conforming non-conformity....
    
    Hogan

>                      <<< Note 33.328 by SCOONR::GLADU >>>
>                           -< Down with deadheads! >-
>
    Sorry, Ger, but I take issue with this.  I've thought of myself as a
    'deadhead' for 98% of the almost 20 years that I've followed the band.  
    I've never been 'on tour', I bathe everyday, I almost always wear shoes,
    and yet most of that 19.5 or so years I've had an intense emotional
    commitment to the music and art that surrounds the Dead.  I mean, I
    don't fit the stereotypical social definition of a Deadhead, but I've 
    BEEN one since 1972.  I don't know how long you've followed the band, 
    and perhaps your experience was different than mine, but the acceptable
    social norm at dead shows, the 'establishment', was never prohibited in 
    the 60/70's.  To me, there wasn't such a distinct caste system in
    place.  On the contrary.
    
    I don't mean that we should embark on yet another round of defining
    what is a Deadhead.  I just don't recall there ever being that much of
    a stigma associated with the way a Deadhead acts or looks or lives.  To
    me, the 'establishment' was never an issue.  Being a Deadhead and 
    membership in the establishment were never mutually exclusive.
    
    I agree it's pretty commercialized.  That has two sides to it too. 
    (Hey, I used all three spellings of the word 'to' at once!!) 
    It's a drag seeing all the hucksters and vendor druids at shows and
    elsewhere, but there's a lot more neat stuff out there to pick up if
    you're interested.  I often am.  And for that, after all these years,
    I'm most Grateful. ;-)
    
    Peace,
    
    tim

re            <<< Note 33.327 by VMPIRE::CLARK "sleep in the stars" >>>
                              -< to each his own >-

>.................... so I guess I was had some trouble hearing them called
>"trashy," especially by one of the people so intimately connected with the
>whole Dead psychedelic, sense-oriented experience.  Then again, I guess the
>current-day existence of the whole psychedelic component could be debated, as
>well ....


     Maybe it's because Bobby has to stand next to Phil, who seems to have worn
quite a few of them on stage :-)


Bruce (who can never quite take Bob seriously - when he talks, that is!)

I think we have tried to define Deadhead in the past.  I don't think it can
be done, there are lots of reasons

	- we are not Websters

	- Websters doesn't define deadhead (in our sense)

	- the word connotes different things to different people.  It
	  represents a feeling, a value, an idea ... and maybe to some
	  smelly people with no shoes.  The point is that is subjective
	  and subjective ideals can not be defined.

remember the note "what is a deadhead"?  Well, like the many different people
we are, there were many different responces.  I say, live up to your own
definition .... and BE ALL that YOU can be.

Lisa

	I think Ger makes a distinction between "deadheads" and "tourheads".

	There's a difference to me, too.

	Well, its all pretty silly to argue about it since the dead wont be 
	touring much anymore after this year.

Its kinda hard for a head not to get into the tourhead trap when on tour, tho.

I mean, you do tend to loose your shoes, beg for tickets, and get a bit dirty.

:-)

re: Note 33.330 by SMURF::GRADY 
    
>Sorry, Ger, but I take issue with this.  
    
    Sorry tim, but you're taking it personal when I'm not making a personal
    attack. It's the stereotypes I don't respect, not those who remain
    individuals - Note 33.326 by SCOONR::GLADU... "Then again, I'm generalizing 
    here. I know very many people who don't fit the mold and those are the 
    one's I can respect".
    
    FWIW, I for one, do not identify myself as a deadhead except when 
    generalization simplifies matters. That is, at times it's much easier 
    for me to say I'm a deadhead than to explain why I'm not (like here,
    for instance :-). Too bad old, old Grateful isn't still around where 
    I discussed this at length. I may go to a few shows (20 last year
    in 5 different states), tape them live, and have 1500 hours of Dead 
    tapes but I'm certainly not a deadhead.
    
    Gerry

    It's probably just a difference in perspective, or our personal
    definition of the word Deadhead.  I don't get to nearly as many shows,
    I've only taped once (as you may recall ;-), and I have only a couple
    dozen tapes. 
    
    It isn't that I took your comments personally, I guess I just use the
    word differently.  To me, anyone with a passion for the music and art
    and general attitude (I hesitate to call it 'culture', but I suppose it 
    is one) of the Dead is a Deadhead.  I know Deadheads, by that
    definition, who have never seen the band.  I think I have a different,
    more generic word for the people you're thinking of: *ssholes.
    That's ok, though.  They're welcome to the shows too - so long as they
    don't hassle me. :-)
    
    tim
    

    I don't think we need labels.  We're all individuals; you can't put a
    general label on a group of people if that label makes so many
    generalizations or assumptions about that person's behavior or
    lifestyle.  There's enough labels in this world already - ever go to a
    big record store and try to find out if the album you're looking for is
    filed under rock, new age, world beat, international, ethnopop, ...?
    
    I don't consider myself a deadhead.  I don't think of anyone in here as
    a deadhead.  The Dead may be the main focus of why we're here
    originally, but it's our common interests in many things that makes us
    friends.
    
    If anyone else thinks of me as a deadhead, I don't know and I don't
    care, as long as they don't think I do all of the things the
    stereotyped hypothetical deadhead does.  Yeah, I've got some
    Dead-related things hanging in my office, but I've also got Richard
    Thompson, Zippy, Sitting Bull, R. Crumb, my cat, and even some work
    related stuff.
    
    Scott
    

re           <<< Note 33.336 by TLE::ABBOT "J. R. "Bob" Dobbs in 92" >>>

>    I don't think we need labels.  We're all individuals; you can't put a

"YES, WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS."

;^)  Sorry, I couldn't resist.

> "J. R. "Bob" Dobbs in 92" >>>

Yeah!  The UberSalesman as President!  Perfect!  Mondo Bizzarro!  Mars Needs
Women!

- Dave

    re: .336
    
    Scott understands the point I'm trying to make. Down with deadheads! ;-)
    
    - gerry

    Geez, sorry I've been bad-mouthing you all this time Ger by calling you
    a deadhead %^) I'll change my ways!!!
                           rfb (proud to be a deadhead) again--->%^)

    FYI, there are two references to the Boys in magazines that one would
    not necessarily associate with the Grateful Dead.  They are too
    mainstream!
    
    1.) Current (March) issue of Car and Driver
    	Article on the VW microbus and the Deadheads that drive them.  Even
    mentioned as one of the cover stories.  The Dodge Viper is the cover
    picture.
    
    2.) February 3 issue of The New Yorker
    	There is a cartoon in there that again illustrates how mainstream
    the boys have become.
    
    
    Have Fun!

    The Car and Driver article. Reprinted w/o permission of C&D or 
    that of the original poster...

       
A palpable buzz of electricity was in the air of the pretty, clapboard
towns surrounding Richfield Coliseum south of Cleveland, even though the
excitement- a three-night stand by the cosmic old fogeys, the Grateful Dead -
was still two days away.
    
The buzz began with the first wave of wiggy old Volkswagen buses that began
appearing on the suburban landscape.  Soon the local folks could be seen leaning
forward over the steering wheels of their cars, squinting out at all the strange
messages decorating the buses.  Look at that bumper sticker, Glenda!
			"WE ALL LIVE DOWNSTREAM."
			"I NEED A MIRACLE."
			"MEAT STINKS."
    
The "Deadheads" had arrived, the camp followers of the middle-aged rock
group who will travel any distance to attend these mini-Woodstock gatherings of
thier musical tribe.  They pulled their buses and vans off roads near busy
intersections and set up shop, hanging up tie-dyes -- sheets, shirts,
hippie-style dressed, T-shirts, Grateful Dead posters and paraphernalia,
rastafarian hair-wraps -- on clotheslines.  Overnight, the landscape was
transformed.  It was as if a traveling sixties roadshow of gypsy hippies had
come to town.
    
One supposes the locals appreciated the atmosphere of festival.  There was
a lot of grinning and shaking of their heads in local coffeeshops, but it was
all good-natured.  (in the sixties, there would have been a local brick-throwing
contingent, for those gypsies brought with them strange ideas and mind-expanding
chemicals.)
    
The night before the Cleveland concert, some Deadheads, suited up in their
tie-dyed finery and sporting serious big hair and T-shirts with messages like
"Eat, Drink and See Jerry," appeared to drink beer and eat among the locals at
the nearby winking Lizard Tavern, one of those places that employ clean-cut
college kids who have the exuberant look of having experienced farm work.  You
could feel the excitement, you could even smell the perfume of patchoule in the
barroom.
    
The bartender, a strapping college-age youth, was asked if he was going to
the concert.  He grinned widely.  "I was thinking of going," he said, "but I'm
kind of afraid it'd change my life."  A waitress his age heard that, and laughed
somewhat uneasily.  She understood what he meant; strange ideas still have their
allure, and there was always the possibility of moral defection, the temptation
to dump tired old values.  Who among these nineties kinds had not geard stories
of the wicked sixties, the sexual revolution, the Age of Aquarius?
    
So while the bartender laughed if off, maybe he considered the vague
possibility of being overcome by a strange emotion to drop out, to buy a beat-up
VW bus for $500, to toss in a mattress, a hot plate, and a portable fridge, and
to head off after the Grateful Dead.  What a trip!  Thousands of Deadheads do
just that, and they manage to make a living in the process.
    
VW buses and other provocative forms of weird transport were everywhere:
lined up behind filling stations, parked in vacant lots and behind motels, and,
most of all, jammed into a nearby state-park campground.  Down in that park, the
Age of Aquarius had returned.
    
The VW bus has gone by many names -- Microbus, Panel Van, Kombi, Crew Cab,
Camper, Station Wagon, Vanagon -- but it is the simplest van, the bus, built
between 1949 and '79, that has been the vehicle of choice for those who have
turned their backs on convention, or those who have wished to make personal
statements about their values via their mode of transport.
The VW bus, like the Beetle, has been "a negative status symbol" for most
of its 42 years -- plain as a brick, simple as a lawnmower, slow as glue, cheap
to buy, cheap to run, and cheap to fix, it has hauled a lot of people (and
surfboards) around in a style that Disdains style.  If you're a Deadhead, it's
not just a vehicle--it's home.
    
Something on the order of 6.7 million VW buses have been built since 1949.
Oddly enough, the idea for this simple "hauler" was not hatched in VW's
Wolfsburg plant in Germany, but in the head of an ambitious Douchman named Ben
Pon, who saw the potential of VW after the war and was to become an early
exporter of its products (he personally brought the first Beetle to America).
Pon thought VW needed to offer more than just the Beetle, and with a simple
sketch in a spiral notebook that is now a museum artifact at Wolfsburg, he drew
a rendering of what he had in mind.
    
Pon's idea so captivated Heinz Nordfoff, the late head man at VW, that to
launch the bus in 1950 he had to cut back on production of the Beetle at a time
when Volkswagen could not keep up with orders for its inexpensive car.  It was
called the "Type 2" (Type 1 being the Beetle).  Nordhoff and Pon had guessed
correctly -- by the mid-fifties, VW had to build the Type 2s.  Eventually the
homely hauler would be sold in 140 countries.
    
Imagine a 2300-pound van that promised to carry as many as nine people but
was propelled--hardly the right word--by a 25-horsepower engine!  By 1962, when
the one-millionth "Bully" (named for its bulldog, workhorse stance) came off the
line, its output had been increased to 34 hp and it finally got a synchronized
transmission.
    
VW offered its bus in countless configurations, with varying interior
heights and bed plans and door arrangements.  American buyers, who had to get up
to speed on freeways, soon got a model with a 1.5-liter, 42-horsepower engine.
(Still, it was an adventure to be hit by a gust of wind in a VW bus while
crossing the Golden Gate Bridge.)  The first major facelift came in 1967; the
two-piece windshield was replaced by a single pane, its nose was flattened, and
the doors, which had opened like those on a barn, were now sliding.  The VW bus
craze in this country reached its peak in 1969, with a record 65,069 sold that
year.  More minor facelifts continued, and in 1972, a bus arived with a Porsche
914 engine.  The following year, an automatic transmission was offered.  In
1974, the Hanover plant was able to build an astounding 1200 buses in a single
day, and sales went over the four-million mark.
    
The modern-day bus, the Vanagon, appeared in 1979. It now has an
all-wheel-drive model and a squared-off, all-business front. It was the best bus
ever made, but it had lost its goofy charm. Sales that had begun to slide in the
seventies slipped even further in the eighties (5147 in 1989). The heyday of the
VW bus was over.
    
John Hollander, who goes by the name Emmett and is just 23, had parked his
'77 VW bus behind a truck stop among a crazy quilt of Deadhead vehicles,
including a couple of converted yellow school buses reminiscent of Ken Kesey's
Merry Prandsters' bus of sixties psychedelic fame ("Positive Vibrations," it
announced).  Kids roamed though the area, girls in muslin tie-dyes, and Jerry
Garcia's voice boomed forth from the open doors of cars.  Hollander had driven
all the way from Seattle, and he was digging around inside looking for
something; the inside of his bus looked like a twister had visited it recently.
His hair was wild in rastafarian fashion, and he was slight of build, looking as
if he hadn't spent much time eating.
    
The bus was painted a flat white, as if he'd dine it with a paintbrush.
The entire bus was covered with hand prints in various bright colors.
Emmett is a budding entrepreneur learning the tie-dye ropes.  It has not
been all gravy.  At a Denver concert of the Dead, "the cops busted me for
vending without a license.  They took twenty shirts off me.  I went home with
$4."  It's not easy being a Deadhead, although Emmett did not want to be
described as one.
    
"What's the deal with the hand prints?" he was asked.
"Well, I had a stencil of a hand, so..." He thinks for a moment.  What was
his purpose? "...so, I figured I'd put a black hand on one side, and, well, it
just went from there."
    
Like a lot of the independent thinking Deadheads, he gave me an answer that
had the ring of Zen when I ask what it is the likes about his bus, which has a
rebuilt engine and cost him $2000.
    
"Uh, I kind of liked the idea of an air-cooled engine, you know?"
We wished him luck, and headed off for the park campground.  A long gravel
road led finally to a gated checkpoint, where we paid a $10 fee to get in.  "Are
there any Deadheads down there?" we asked a young woman wearing a khaki uniform
and a Smokey the Bear hat.  She rolled her eyes around in her head, like it was
    a question not worth answering.
    
Coming down the hill's incline to a meadow where the tribe of Deadheads
suddenly came into view, where Grateful Dead music filled the air, I was somehow
reminded of Custer, and how he must have felt so momentarily strange coming upon
the sighty of an entire nation of Sioux camped at the Little Big Horn.  It is
reflexive upon seeing a sight like this to utter Christ's first name, though not
in vain. "Jesus."
    
The first VW bus that cought my eye belonged to Anthony Vanderford of
Casper, Wyoming.  Vanderford, who was 20, had been following the Dead since
high-school graduation two and a half years ago.  He had set up a table with all
sorts of things for sale, and tie-dyed sheets were pinned to trees forming a
canopy above his bus.
    
The cheerful Vanderford invited me to look inside the bus.  Poking out from
under a pile of bedding and clothing was a sleeping woman's head.  There was a
sink and a stove and a refrigerator and running water, and a series of bunk
beds.
    
"It's a little home.  It's got everything you need," he said proudly.
Meanwhile, some potential customers poked over his goods.  But these were
Deadhead camp followers like himself, and I wondered out loud if it was possible
to sell stuff to other Deadheads, who were in the same business.
    
He gave me a cosmic grin, like the whole thing was a mystery to him."I
know what you're saying, but I've only been here a couple of hours and I've
already made two hundred dollars!"
    
I came upon Conrad and Dan Neil, brothers from Manitoba, Canada.  Conrad
was selling exotic posters for $10 each.  This was Dan's third concert, but his
brother has traveled to 30 of them.
    
Asked what it is about the Dead's music that he found so alluring, Conrad
had to think a moment.  Finally he said, "The feel, man.  It talks to you.  It's
a natural high, and everybody's calm.  I like the calmness of it."
    
An upholstered by trade, Conrad had a fine '78 bus loaded with amenities.
He summed up his affection for it:  "It can sleep six and it's great on gas.
What else can I say?  the guy I bought it from wanted $5000, but I got it for
$3600.  You can't beat that."
    
But in fact Jeff Johns of Pottstown, Pennsylvania, who was parked fifty
feet away, beat that.  His '73 bus cost him $475 just five months earlier.
Okay, it wasn't as nice as Conrad's.  Johns, 20, a cycle mechanic "on and off,"
said he bought the bus from a Czech who "buys them, fixes them up and sells
them."  The Czech, it turned out, wasn't setting any entrepreneurial records.
"He bought this van for $400, and he was asking $550 for it.  we told him our
situation, which basically was we don't have any money.  So he sold it to us for
$475."
    
Intrigued by an old '72 bus with a humorous protective vinyl bra strapped
over its nose, I came around the back and ran into Angie Padgett, who would be,
hands down, The Prettiest Freckled Girl in the World were there such a contest.
She was posing for a picture when her boyfriend, Stave Yatson, showed up.  They
are both in their early twenties, and he'd given up the yuppie lifestyle to
follow the Dead for awhile, learnig tie-dying.
    
"I went from a Porsche 944 to this," he said laughing, amused by his own
change of lifestyle.  "I paid $400 for this bus, but I did tons of work on it."
Angie said, "At some places, if you've got problems with your bus, there
are mechanics around who will work for beer."
    
Yatson said, "I used to sell construction materials, and did very well.
But you can make money here, too."  Pointing to a tie-dyed sheet he'd made that
was draped over his van, he said, "That sheet cost about $2 to make, and we sell
it for $35."  It was clear that for Angie and Steve, this was a temporary lark.
"I'm going to have to do the  real-life thing again pretty soon."  Sometime soon
he will be headed for college in San Jose, California.
    
we wandered around, and I was reminded of a conversation I had with Blair
Jackson, a Dead historian from Berkeley, California, who puts out a periodical
of Grateful Dead lore called The Golden Road.  "The Volkswagen bus is the cheap
warhorse vehicle of the seventies.
    
"There's a whole iconography of the Dead and the VW."  I had to look that
up.  It means the images and pictures that become the symbols that describe a
culture.
    
"The Dead has a tradition of taking traditional items from the culture and
then twisting them--in a friendly way.  Like [a depiction of] Calvin and Hobbes,
only they're smoking a bong or doing nitrous oxide."  Just then I saw a Charlie
Brown T-shirt, with Charlie's head ballooned to watermelon size, making him
"Cosmic Charlie."  Another shirt declared, "Bo Knows Jerry."  A Disney-like
theme park reads, "Deadheadland."
    
No one, including the Grateful Dead, now in their 26th year, can quite
explain their popularity.  says leader Jerry Garcia:  "Here we are, we're
getting into our fifties, and where are these people who keep coming to our
shows coming from?  What do they find fascinating about these middle-aged
bastards playing basically the same thing we've always played?  I mean, what do
17-year-olds find fascinating about this?...So what is it about the 1990s in
America? There must be a dearth of fun out there in America.  Or adventure.
Maybe that's it:  maybe we're just one of the last adventures in America.  I
don't know."
    
Blair Jackson says there's a "sense of adventure" to it.  "It's rock 'n'
roll with a bit of country-western.  And blues.  Actually, it's like a jazz band
-- they never play the same set twice.  They have such a large body of music --
probably 110 to 120 songs at any given time.  They played six shows in the Bay
Area, and during all that, thay repeated just one song -- 'Promised Land.'"
    
Whatever the case, in the first half of 1991, Dead concerts grossed $20
million.  Their average take per show, according to Pollstar, a firm that
reports on the music industry, was more than $1.1 million, or nearly twice that
of the summer's second biggest touring act, Guns n' Roses.  The Dead played nine
nights in New York's Madison Square Garden, three in Cleveland, and six at
Boston Garden -- and all of them were sold-out performances.
    
"We didn't invent the Grateful Dead," says Garcia.  "The crowd invented the
Grateful Dead.  we were just in line to see what was going to happen."
Like the popularity of the VW bus, it defies explanation.
    
This came from:
     "The Van of Aquarius" by Steve Spence
      Vol.37,No.9

from: SCOTH%WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU@vtvm2.cc.vt.edu
   
Ray McAllister's column, Richmond, VA Times-Dispatch, Monday, February
10, 1992, page C-1 (reprinted without permission):
   
WHO ARE THESE DEADHEADS?
   
"Out on the road today,
I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac"
            - Don Henley "The Boys of Summer"
   
I'm no Grateful Dead fan.  You put a Dead song on the air, and I'm switching
stations.  Play a double-shot, and you lose your spot on the pre-set buttons.
   
But it's odd, some of the reaction since WVGO-FM disc jockey Nick Perry helped
persuade Richmond to lift its anti-Dead concert ban.  Everybody still seems to
hate those fans.  The Deadheads.  Like they're going to murder us in our sleep.
Aging hippie dopers.  We know it.
   
Except...chances are we only think we know the Deadheads.
   
Laura Smith is the editor of Unbroken Chain, a Richmond-based fan magazine, one
of three or four across the country. (Six issues a year for $10, to PO Box 8726
Richmond, VA 23226, if you're interested.)  She'd like a local concert, of
course.  But some opponents "promote it as being some horrible thing.  We don't
need any bad press.  It's not worth it to me.  So my inclination is to say,
no, let the band play Hampton, let the band play [Washington's] Cap Center.  We
don't need the trouble.
   
And Mrs. Smith, who's a housewife and mother, says we're probably wrong about
the Deadheads, anyway.  "The whole thing about the Grateful Dead is in-
truiging," she says.  "The people who want to pigeonhole us into drug addicts
are wrong."  Of those she knows, she says, "These people are serious Dead
followers.  They don't do drugs."  Those who do deserve what they get.
   
So who are the Deadheads?
   
Dr. Rebecca G. Adams, an associate professor of sociology at the University of
North Carolina-Greensboro, is at work on a study of Deadheads, based on survey
data from 70 concerts.
   
She has a fascinating, data-driven explanation of the Deadhead phenomenon that
I don't have room for.  Oversimplified version: The Dead and their Deadheads
are part of a constant interaction with one another, feeding on a sense of
community and spiritual music.  The data point to more men than women.  And
most Deadheads, Dr. Adams says, are upper-middle-class Caucasians.
   
Aging hippie dopesters?
   
Lots of drug arrests could be made at any concert, she says, but you'd find
more non-druggies.  And security guards tell her they'd far rather work Dead
concerts than deal with drunks at sporting events.  "In my mind," she says,
"[music and drugs] figure into the spiritual part of the equation.  Sometimes
the music alone and sometimes the psychedelic drugs figure into it.  I want to
emphasize that the music alone can do this.  Their music is intentionally
transformational.  It's not supposed to be entertainment alone."  So, she says,
"I would say the common perception of Deadheads is not necessarily inaccurate,
but it's an exaggeration and not complete.  There's a lot more heterogeneity."
   
Deadheads actually come in three types, she says.  The first are professionals-
-computer programmers, bankers, lawyers, doctors, that crowd. (So start check-
ing those Beamers for Deadhead stickers, too.)
   
Then there are what she calls "professional Deadheads," those who may follow
the concert trail all year long or, more likely, only when it's convenient,
like students in the summer.
   
And finally, there are "hard-core 'tourheads.' people who have been on the road
for a long time and will be indefinitely."  These are legendary fans, but she
estimates there are fewers than 3,000.
   
On the East Coast, the Dead play large arenas with maybe 40,000 fans, many of
them college kids.  At home on the West Coast, they play smaller concerts
scattered about.  Yuppies can drop in on their way home.
   
"A much higher percentage of Deadheads on the West Coast are professionals.
The audiences are almost middle-aged," Dr. Adams says, "It's not only less
geographic distance [for them], there's less social distance, too.  It's less
of a stigma to be a Deadhead."
   
How many total Deadheads are there?  Her estimate, base on who buys tickets:
"There are huge numbers.  Possibly even a million."  Oh, by the way, Dr. Adams
largely serious claim: "Everybody in the United States, at least every white
person, knows a Deadhead."  She pauses.  "Whether they know it or not."
   
Sweet dreams, everybody.
   
*** Column Ends ***
   

fwiw I believe Hornsby penned "The Boys of Summer"

now back to our regular program, already in progress

    nope wrong album, Bruce shows up on "End of the Innocence"
    
    

	Sweeeeeeet Dreams!!!  Thanks for posting that ger!!

    I was just in Barnes and Noble Bookstore in Nashua, they are
    re-organizing the layout for a sale. I noticed a stack of about 20-30
    "Grateful Dead Family Album" hardcover books, marked down from approx
    $30 to $9.95. They were in one of the stacks directly opposite the cash
    registers.
    
    enjoy
    
    q
    

    wow...  9.95???   that's a grate price on a way-cool publication...
    
    if you haven't picked one up yet i would snatch one now...  Jerilyn
    did a fantastic job putting that book together...  imho, a must for
    members of the "extended family"...  
    
    					da ve

	I knew I shouldda waited.  :-/

Fog_who_paid_$16.98_for_the_soft_cover_edition...

	Blair Jackson just called me to tell me that I'll be receiving
	my issue of The Golden Road shortly via first class.  I had
	sent him a letter because I didn't get the latest copy (3rd copy
	in a row that didn't arrive(!)).  I sure was surprised to pick
	up the phone and hear "Hi, Blair Jackson". ;-)  I was expecting
	a customer or something...

	Anyway, he wanted me to announce that all issues have been mailed,
	but some people are getting them much later than others.  He said
	they used 3rd class mail to save some bucks, and it isn't worth it.
	Next issue will be 1st class all the way.
	
	Ken

    
    	In case you were thinking about those new skis for next year, 
    you better read this first !
    
    TL
    
    reprinted without permission from Rocky Mountain News, April 11, 1992
    
		Selling the Dead to get ahead

by Greg Kail
  VAIL -- A major ski manufacturer hopes to bring sales to life with some
help from the dead.
  the Grateful Dead, that is.
  Anthony Industries, the Los Angels based parent company of Olin, K2, and Pre
skis, is starting a subsidiary that makes alpine skies bearing trade-marked
Grateful Dead icons.
  The company, the Lunatic Fringe Inc. plans to eventually sell Grateful Dead
telemark skis, snowboards, surfboards, and in-line skates.
  "In terms of target audience, you have to get away from the stereotype of
people in tie-dyes and microbuses," said Tim Petrick, vice president and
general manager of Lunatic Fringe.
  "There's an awful lot of normal people who listen to this band."
  The Grateful Dead has been delivering tunes for mores than 25 years and have
developed a legion of followers.
  Lunatic Fringe's first item is the Dark Star alpine ski, an Olin RTS slalom
ski beneath Grateful Dead graphics.
  Only 195, 200, and 207 centimeter dead skies will be sold initially,
retailing at $499 a pair.
  The Dark Star is expected to be in U.S. shops by August.
  Vail resident and dead follower Kyle Dulac, 25, liked the idea.
  "If it's a good ski, it will save me alot of stickers," Dulac said.
  "people who like to ski like rock and roll," said Martin Leffer, president 
of Not Fade Away. "I think it's going to be a monster."
  Leffer said he's pitched the Grateful Dead idea to major ski manufacturers 
in the past, but it's been rejected.
  "The big wigs didn't want to deal with it because they thought it was to 
much of a cult thing and didn't have wide enough appeal," Leffer said.
  "That's what happens when your in the office too much and you don't get out
and ski."
  Each Lunatic Fringe product will be named after a Grateful Dead son. The
company tentatively plans to call it's first snowboard "Bertha," it's first
telemark ski "The Other One," and it's first in-line skate "Wharf Rat."
  Most of the U.S. ski industry has suffered from poor snow and economic
conditions in recent years, and sales have felt the impacts.
  "To sell skis with all the really good graphics that area on skis these
days, you have to do something that no one else can copy." Leffer said.

    More merchandise... Garcia's artwork is going to be available on
    neckties at $30.00 apiece.

...soon to be followed by "Goin' Down the Road" bicycles 

... Stella Blue toilet bowl cleaner

...Jack A Roe boats   

...Crazy Fingers Massage franchises




Jum

    ....gee I always thought if I were to leave this place I would start up
    a lawn care service and call it GRATEFUL LAWNS.....maybe I should get
    it started now ! of course I'd use only natural stuff to keep the lawns
    nice and GREEN ! but I couldn't hire deadheads, they would all want to
    take vacation at the same time :')
    
    Chris

there is a place called Jack Straw in westboro .....  I think it is a florist
of some sort (Chris?) 

    
    And...
    
    American Beauty Landscaping in our town (Westford)
    
    Tree

    
    And Grateful Bread in Franconia, NH
    
    They give out recipes, too  (for the bread, that is)
    
    c

    RE:
    "there's a lot of normal people who listen to this band..."
    
    
    
    
                         NOT!!!!!!!
    
    Grateful Ties is a headshop/tyedye place in Denver...and I KNOW that
    guy ain't normal....
                                          rfb

    God... what's happening to us... they're merchandising us ... time
    to recover our outlaw image... anyone got a few babies to sacrifice to
    a volcanoe or something? :-)
    
    mary

    awww c'mon Mary!  it's the 90's...  no one sacrifices babies any more!
    
    we burn cabbage patch kids at the stake now...  :^)   
    
    					da ve

    
    >God... what's happening to us... they're merchandising us ... time
    >to recover our outlaw image... anyone got a few babies to sacrifice to
    >a volcanoe or something? :-)
    
    Exactly.  IMO, this is the Bruce Hornsby factor.  He's mainstream..
    we're mainstream.  He's boarderline-pop..  We're.. yuck I can't even
    type it. ;-)
    
    I think there should be a law that you can't play with the Grateful
    Dead unless you've been arrested at least once. ;-)
    
    

    Phyllis,.. I know (think?) you're only kidding,.. the commercialization
    began with ITD and is now running pretty rampant,... it does start
    to feel uncomfortable. When the Grateful Dead bubble gum trading cards
    hit the shelves,.. I'm checking out...
    
    Picture it,. two kids on a corner haggling over trading a 68 Pigpen
    for a 73 (?) bald headed Micky,.. 
    
    ARGH!
    
    						/
    

    
    I am kidding.. sort of.  The commercialization started long-before
    Hornsby, but he did take away the outlaw factor.. at least for me.  I
    need some blues in my grateful dead!!
    
    Can't he at least grow his hair??? ;-)
    
    

re:  <<< Note 33.360 by ESKIMO::DWEST "Dont Overlook Something Extraordinary" >>>
       
   > we burn cabbage patch kids at the stake now...  :^)   
    
    We discovered a box of stuffed animals in our loft. Lately, when things
    get dull, we toss a couple in the fireplace. They kinda burst into
    flame bigtime before they hit meltdown. Nearly burnt the mantle down
    once. But I digress...
    
    Gerry

    
    I guess getting arrested just doesn't carry the same mystique as it
    used to in the old days, Phyllis... probably because they arrest
    so many people these days. ;-) 
    
    What do you think will happen when there are more people on the inside
    than on the outside?  Think they'll just put some chicken wire around
    the borders of the country and call it a day? :-)        

    We're already having problems housing thems whats already convicted..
    
    Strange the way criminals are put through the process, at our expense,
    convicted, and then basically set free (probation!) because of a lack
    of room in the prisons for such minor infractions like rape...
    
    :-/
    
    				what a wonderful wonderful world
    
    								/
    

Where do you draw the line on acceptable merchadising? Decals & bumper stickers?
T-shirts? Jerry ties? Trading cards? 

Don't get me wrong, the boyz being merch'd like the New Kids on the (cell) Block
doesn't do much for me either. I s'pose it's their choice of anything for a buck
vs. enough's enough. Of course, if Deadheads (tm) don't buy the stuff, they'll
pull it from the market.


jeff

    Good point Jeff ... they've been "merchandising" us for years.  It's
    just that lately they're discovering there's more folks out there
    who'll buy 'Dead paraphanelia than there used to be, so now they're
    "commercializing" us too ... :^(
    
    About burining things ... at our ski house we used to have this little
    plastic wind-up bird (named Larry).  For entertainment, we'd sit in the
    kitchen, wind him up, and point him towards the wood stove in the
    living room.  One day he flew right in and *poof* ... no more Larry.
    
    ... Bobbb (sic)

    Jack Straw of Westboro is a real person, he was the Indian servent of 
    Sir Walter Rayleigh (sp?) I've been meaning to look into this but 
    forget to. Also there is a very nice brook named after Jack Straw.
    
    
    Chris

I think the Dead should quadruple the length of Drumz->Space.  That'd
probably cool things off a bit.  ;^)

    .367
    
    I don't really care about the merchandising... I'm just being a wise
    guy. :-)

    Re: .370
    
    >I think the Dead should quadruple the length of Drumz->Space.  That'd
    yeah - me too.  and just think of all those folks who say - 'gee, if
    the boyz would only play a longer DRumz->space, the show would be worth
    it!'    :-)
    
    

re     <<< Note 33.362 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
                            -< How long before... >-

>    Picture it,. two kids on a corner haggling over trading a 68 Pigpen
>    for a 73 (?) bald headed Micky,.. 
 

	then, one kid says "you can't have my 68 Pigpen picture" to the
	other kid and the other kid pulls a .45 magnum out of his belt and
	blows the dude away to get the 69 pigpen picture.  later, he
	claims "that is the way they do it on TV Officer!"


sad sad sad

re: merchandising

The difference now is that many tour-heads were allowed to set up and sell all
kinds of merchandise at shows -- now only "commercial" Grateful Dead (tm)
material is available...  Not having the creativity and freedom of the "outlaw"
vending scene at the shows really detracts a lot from the experience for me... 
Used to love to shop at shows...

Glenn

 They let me collect tapes, I don't mind if they sell their stuff.





 Jum

>> They let me collect tapes, I don't mind if they sell their stuff.

Yeah, Jum - I do agree with that, I guess I should clarify...

I think it's okay for them to sell their own stuff, meaning their (tm) stuff,
(although I don't really see the big deal) -- but what I miss the most though
is the stuff like guatamalan-type shorts, shirts, ponchos, belts, bracelets,
hats, stickers, crystals, jewelry, etc..  -- I used to get all kinds of
clothing for myself and presents for friends at shows and I don't think any of
it was ever Grateful Dead (tm) stuff (except for stickers). There's just no
stores that I know of that can replace the vending scene of old, ya can't just
get this stuff anywhere -- I'm not making any judgment on the Dead's decision
to stop the vending scene, just saying that I really miss it when I am able to
make it to a show... 


Glenn

     
     The last shows I went to (Nassau & Hamilton), GDM were selling
    some of their t-shirts for $ 40.00....I couldn't believe it.
    
     Ten to fifteen bucks is okay for a shirt, but I still try to talk
    em' down.....another good thing about the outside vending scene.
    
    
    Sean

 I like the stuff that folks sell at shows too, and I'm not about to spend
the $40 they want for their T shirts, and other GDM stuff.  I just meant thats
its OK with me if they want to market their stuff.  Whether I buy it or not is
another story. 



Jum who's never spent more than $10 for a T shirt at a Dead show.

    re:  vendors at the shows...
    
    I would guess that it's not GDM that's leaning on the vendors
    (except for proprietary stuff)...  more likely it's local
    merchants who can't compete because of their overhead...
    vendors in the streets keep people from going inside the stores...
    If concertgoers don't go into the stores to buy stuff, why should
    local merchants and residents put up with the traffic, and hassels 
    of the crowds, and the peeing in the streets and backyards?
    
    And then, if you have to discourage vending at some venues
    because of the merchants, then you've gotta do it everywhere
    for consistency, 'cause it's too hard to have different rules
    in different places...  
    
    /bruce

		LORD'S WILL EXPELS LIAN FROM 'EDEN'

	Eighteen months ago a group of gypsying "Deadheads" - followers of the
Grateful Dead, a rock-n-roll band - bought a piece of land in Mendocino County
California, and settled down to create their own version of Utopia.

	They called themselves The Church of Unlimited Devotion, a reference 
both to their eclectic beliefs, which take in Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism,
Krishna Consciousness, Judaism and Sufism, and to their adulation of the 
Grateful Dead, one of whose songs is "The Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion."

	The group is well-known among Grateful Dead fans. Unlimited Devotion
sells clothes at the informal bazaars that follow the band's tours, and members
are known as "the Spinners" for the whirling dance they perform to the music.
The dance is also part of the church's devotions, and when not following Dead
tours the 40-odd members of the church spin on "The Land" - the Mendocino farm
formerly owned by a Hare Kirshna sect - every Wednesday and Sunday.

	The church had no official leader, and members called one other 
"Brother" or "Sister." However, people tended to coalesce around one person, 
Joseph Lain III of Worcester, Ma.. When the church incorporated, Lian became 
the chief financial officer.

CHASTITY PRACTICED

	A board theology was put together, encompassing all the major world
religions, The Brothers and Sisters worked on The Land, sewed cloths, and
followed the precepts of chastity, poverty, and obedience.

	They say that every Eden has its serpent, and Unlimited Devotion soon
found that the outside world can upset the most carefully planned Utopia. 
Parents objected to their children joining the church. They were shocked by what
they saw as a cult, and by the Bohemian conditions of hygiene, where young 
people went barefoot in even the muddiest conditions and slept on the floor,
women in one room, men in another.

	These parents were led by Boris Ruchkan of Milwaukee, whose 19 year old
daughter Vicky joined the church last spring. Ruchkan conducted a furious 
campaign against the church and particularly against Lian, turning up a Grateful
Dead concerts to confront Lian, having the group followed by private detectives,
and once trying to kidnap his own daughter.

	Ruchkan was joined by Luther Dulaney, a disgruntled former member who
had loaned the church money to buy the remote Mendocino property. Lian says that
Dulaney to leave the church because of making threats after his advances to a
female novice were rejected. Dulaney says he simply came to see the church for
what it is, a cult.

	Now its Lian's turn, last month, the following a day-long meeting, Lian
was expelled. He was accused of hypocrisy, adultery and abuse of members, and 
given a one-way bus ticket back to Worcester.

	Michael Tippet, speaking for the church, said that Lian's "strong,
convincing personality" too easily swayed younger members. "He exercised too
much influence over people's lives, relationships and beliefs," Tippet said.
"He wasn't practicing what he preached, and that was a big downfall for him."
Tippet said the members would meet next week to re-evaluate the church's 
theology.

	Even with Lian gone, neither Dulaney nor Ruchkan plan to take the 
pressure off the church. Dulaney says he wants to renegotiate the low-interest
loan he made to the church when he was more starry-eyed. As for Ruchkan, whose
daughter is no longer with the church, the fight has become a personal crusade.
He suspects that Lian's "Impeachment" was staged. "Its difficult to imagine that
in one meeting a guy is transformed from pope to creep," he said.

	I met Lian yesterday at the concert stand at Institute Park (Worcester).
He was wearing the brown smock of the men of Unlimited Devotion (women wear long
dresses and vails). A set of rosary beads was just visible inside his collar.

	He denied being abusive but admitted to one extramarital affair, years
ago and before the church was incorporated. He said his wife, Anne Laughin, knew
of that relationship and showed no anger about it until recently, when church
member Tippett learned of it. When the affair took place, he said, he and his
wife no longer lived as a married couple.

	I wondered how Lian felt about his expulsion from the church and
community he had done so much to build, but he spoke only about it being the
Lord's will. Tippett said much the same thing - it was the Lord's will.

	Lian said his problems started with the disaffection of Luther Dulaney,
and were compounded when Dulaney was introduced to Ruchkan through the Clut
Awareness Network. Separately, Dulaney and Ruchkan were tough; together, they
were relentless. Then a former member came forward to accuse Lian of adultery,
the members held a general meeting, and soon Lian found himself on the bus to
Worcester.

	So maybe it was all the Lord's will, but the machinations through which 
providence played out were all to human.

	After our interview Lian walked off toward his parent's home, a lonely 
figure in a brown, monkish smock, exiled from Eden.

    oppsss,
    
    	note 33.380 was from the Worcester T&G Wednesday April 15, 1992
    (without premission)
    
    it was written by James Dempsey
    
    
    Chris

From the May 8th issue of the Kiplinger Washington News Letter

Talking about changes taking place in the economy

"A pickup in entertainment business...circusses, rodeos, ice shows, country 
music concert.  But not rock concerts,  except the Grateful Dead."

Gee Austin Kiplinger (the author) must have gotten closed out of mail order
for Albany....


Jack

     The Dead were on MTV music news today.  The piece started out about
    how it was summer tour time again and that means sold out Grateful
    Dead shows.  Then they mentioned the rumor about the band calling it
    quits and they flashed one word on the screen :
    
                          WRONG !
    
     While showing some clips from Cal Expo, Mickey said that they'll keep
    going indefinitely as long as they're still having fun and they are.
    He also said he still gets so nervous before a tour that he can't sleep
    for a few days before the tour starts cause he's so hyped up...
       Yea....nine days til Buffalo !!!..........
    
                      :-) DaveB

    My daughter said she saw Patty (her mom) on MTV news June 1....does
    anyone know if any Vegas clips were shown on MTV?
                                       rfb

don't know about mtv but I heard some news off a Providence radio station
this morning.  Apparently the owner, or someone affiliated with CircusCircus
did not enjoy the heads' visit at all and is trying future shows banned.  No
other hotel etc. complained however.  The DJ speculated that the heads
probably didn't have as much money to gamble as he would have liked.....

Lisa

    not to mention that Circus is a ZOO anyway which I'm sure helped the
    heads to become a little more disoriented....glad we didn't make it
    there and glad I didn't give them any of MY quarters!!
                                                          rfb

    
    re-.384
    
     I saw a little blurb on MTV about the Dead at Cal Expo,
    they showed em' playing "Bertha"
    
    Sean

    ya, from what I've heard NO Vegas clips were shown...so that couldn't
    have been Patty my daughter saw.....
                                        rfb

(Closest note I could find in a quick search of the keywords.. sorry
for not putting this in earlier today so more of you could see this to
catch this program.. had network problems reaching GRATEFUL from here
(and its only across the street!) )

There's a very good documentary on (Boston) PBS tonight, Ch. 44 @ 8 PM.

Its an hour long montage of film clips of most of the major 'youth'/
demonstrations/civil rights/protest events of the 60's, set to a ***VERY***
evocative soundtrack of rock/blues/acid rock of the era.

I saw Sat. night at midnight, and it was a very powerful reminder of all the 
shit that went down (and came up!) in the 60's.  I highly recommend this if 
you want to get a feel what was going on back then, and how the music of the
era was reflecting the events.

Some of the music and images included:

The Thrill is Gone - BB King : the equal rights protests/riots, Watts,
	police beating up black people.

Summertime - Janice: more protests, anti-Vietnam, draft-card burning, Abbie
	Hoffman speaking at rallies, that Buddist Monk who emoliated himself
	to protest the war.  

Gimme Shelter - Stones:
	The killing at Altamont, other protests in streets.

Wild Thing - Jimi at Monterey Pop:
	Some more 'upbeat' (!) images for a change, Jimi sacrificing something
	he loved and was very near and dear to him - his guitar - burning it
	with Zippo lighter fluid!

DARK STAR - THE GRATEFUL DEAD - LIVE DEAD - very craftily edited down from
	22 1/2 min to about 6 min., but still keeping all the (you know!)
	essence of the music - set to scenes of San Fran during that summer,
	the free music fests, Haigh, etc.

Ohio - CSNY: (this one HAD to be here!), Kent State of course. Real chilling.
	Nixon campaiging for office, anti-Nixon protesters with Nixon signs 
	with a  swastika for the "x"...	"tin soldiers and Nixon's comin", 
	"Gotta get down to it"

Goin' Up to the Country, Canned Heat, & Freedom - Richie Havens, at Woodstock:
	Woodstock of course.  Richie blowing 1/2 million people's minds, and
	your's too, with his intensity.


A good reason to watch the tube.  

Josh

 I saw most of it myself though I didn't get much of it on tape, much to the
chagrin of a dechead who's name I'll not mention who left a nasty message on 
my answering machine last night :-)


At any rate, it looked/sounded pretty good...it will be repeated on Thurs night
the 18th at 11:30PM on Channel 2 (Boston) at which time I assure the above 
mentioned dechead that I'll get it on tape.





Jum

Geez, I can *get* channel 2.  ;^)

- afore-mentioned DC

    Is dc leaving nasty messages on Jum's machine again?
    
    Is Jum screwing up again?
    
    Sheeeesh!
    
    :-)
    
    						/casual_observer
    

    Yes.  Saw the hole thing.  Quite interesting.  I liked it because there
    was no talking, just music.  The points were well made.
    
    They played Dark Star for quite a while.  Thought they would've played
    it during the Haight seen.  It did fit the Washington march(es),
    however.
    
    I just realized something whilst watching that show: now I know why
    our generation (baby-boom on up) has such a distrust and/or hatred
    towards government.  I basically bred in us, now.
    
    Now I can understand why my father used to be afraid of Blacks. 
    Perhaps it was too much white tv hype on the Black Panthers plus the
    usual discrimination of his generation.
    
    I'm glad I was a child then. Children don't know prejudism.  Luckily I
    still feel the same, thanks to my hippy brothers & sister to set me
    straight.  I also feel lucky that at the time of all this revolution, I
    had views from both sides of the fence.
    
    Well, just some thoughts....
    
    Should I go to the caf and get a cookie now....hmmm??
    
    dave

I found the following quite unbelievable. Could someone who was at Giants 
stadium either confirm or deny this.

THanks,

Geoff




Article: 70528
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: roberg@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Ross Perot plays with the Grateful Dead!
Sender: mmdf@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU (Mail System)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 14:09:20 GMT
 
 
In response to Bill Clinton's recent appearance on the Arsenio Show, H. Ross
Perot, undeclared presidential candidate from the state of Texas sat in with 
the Grateful Dead at a recent perfomance of the band at Giant's stadium in
NEw JErsey.  In sharp contrast to Clinton's saxophone version of Heartbreak
Hotel, Perot played mandolin on several of the Dead's songs without having
previously practiced with the group.  "When you've been mandolin for as long as
I have you can pretty much pick up any tune and then go with it." Perot stated
in an after the show interview.  Perot had contacted the band days before after
having heard a albumn of the group.  He would not tell reporters which albumn 
had inspired the call but went on to say, "I prefer the more country based
tunes.  The weirder stuff is OK I guess but for me I like the straight out down
home songs like Truckin'.  The group did not play Trucking with Perot although
it has several allusions to his home state.  Perot sat in on Dire Wolf, Candy
MAn and Bird Song returning with the band for the encore Ripple, a song which
the band had not played for several years.  Critics have suggested that Perot's
decision to play with The Dead, who are well known for their free form playing 
style, was to demonstrate that he will be able to work with congress if
elected.  In response to such theories Perot responded, "Look when you have a
million dollars a day rolling in you can do what you feel like doing.  So I
thought it would be fun to play with these gentlemen and that is that."  On a 
lighter note when asked what his favorite song by the group was, PErot claimed
to have a set up a comittee composed of several Bay area Dead experts to give 
him advice on the issue. In recnet days in the Dead HEad comunity rumors have 
been circulating that Perot may become a  member of the band.  Perot said in
reference to these rumors, " Ihave no plans at this time to join the Grateful
Dead however if the Dead HEads of this country indicate that they desire to see
me play with this band on a regular basis I see no option but to do so ... 
even if I am elected president.
 
*******************************************************************************
Now to all of htose who have been dribblling on about Ross Perot:::you have
something you can talk about on this NET!!!!  This ain't no 
HRP.dull.evil take it elsewhere eh???????
 
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    I'll bet Hogan's entire wedding take against there being even one shred
    of truth in that,..
    
    First of all,.. Ripple wasn't even in the set list...
    
    							/
    

    
    >> I'll bet Hogan's entire wedding take against there being even one
    >> shred of truth in that,..
    
    HEY!!!!  It ain't yours to bet!!! :^)  But I agree.....so does that
    mean I'll get it two-fold?!?!?
    
    I'll bet /bill's house and his guitars that it ain't true %^)
    
    Greedy Hogan  

    Hey watch it!!!
    
    Those guitars are worth something ya know!!!!
    
    :-)
    
    You can have the house,.. as a matyter of fact,.. after tomorrow
    you probably will be able to lay claim to part of it (and its
    history) anyway :-) :-) :-)
    
    							/
    
    

    Yup, he was there ... disguised as Steve Miller.
    
    His mandolin was disguised as a guitar.
    
    And Ripple was disguised as Baba O'Reilly ...
    
    							... Bobbb
    

Wow, I wonder how I could have spaced Perot on stage AND a Ripple encore?
Not to mention that I swear Dire Wolf was played in Albany and not Giants.

Are you sure it isn't April Fools Day?

RE:   <<< Note 33.401 by LEDS::MRNGDU::YETTO "discover the wonders of nature" >>>
               -< I wouldn't believe it even if I wasn't there! >-




>Are you sure it isn't April Fools Day?



 Well, I just heard that tix for Foxboro go on sale at Ticketbastard at 10
tomorrow AM :-)




Jum

Yeah, he was there.  No pictures, though.  He was always directly behind Jerry
(sorta like a Jerry eclipse).

ps. :-)

adam

>Now to all of htose who have been dribblling on about Ross Perot:::you have
>something you can talk about on this NET!!!!
>This ain't no HRP.dull.evil take it elsewhere eh???????
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's a joke, son.  You don't want to believe everything you read,
especially on rec.music.gdead ;-).

peace,
t!ng

    a bad joke,.. at the expense of my favorite band no less...
    
    							/
    

Well, it would seem that Phil Jackson is not only the coach of the 2-time NBA 
Champ Chicago Bulls, he's also a fan of our favorite band!!  And he is buddies 
with Jerry, who I guess likes to give him coaching tips!  8^)

The is from page 17 of this weeks Sports Illustrated (article on the Bulls 
NBA title):

	It was difficult to discern if [coach Phil] Jackson was playing 
	mindgames [with his players], for he is not easily read.  After all,
	this is a coach who registered in his Portland hotel under the name of 
	his favorite Sioux warrior.  (He did not want the name revealed).  This 
	is a coach who spent the evening before game 5 visiting a store for 
	outdoorsmen and strolling through downtown Portland with his family, 
	rather than staring bleary-eyed at game films.  And this is a coach who 
	wore ties to Games 1 and 2 hand-painted by Grateful Dead guitarist 
	Jerry Garcia and who even exchanged notes with Garcia before the 
	series started.  (In the world-gets-curiouser-and-curiouser department,
	da Bulls and da Dead fly the same MGM charter plane from time to time.)

And there is a picture of coach Jackson, sitting in the locker room, soaked 
with champagne and what not, in front of a card table which has on it empty 
cups, soda cans, beer cans, a champagne bottle, and the NBA Championship Trophy
that is captioned

	Jackson was one spent Deadhead by the time he finally got to turn his 
	eyes on the prize.


Geee, I wonder if he hangs with Bill Walton???  8^)

Scott

    from the Colo Springs Gazette Telegraph...
    ________________________________________________________________________
    
    Mobile Court
    
    A courtroom was set up in a van outside an ampitheater in 
    Noblesville Ind. to process Grateful Dead fans arrested at the rock
    group's shows Sunday and Monday. "It's almost a courtesy to them" said
    Judge William Hughes, one of two judges who agreed to hold hearings
    outside the Deer Creek Music Center. "And it's a matter of courtesy to
    my staff. We'd rather do the two hours work there instaed of 14 hours
    the next day." About 100 Deadheads were arrestred in 1990 and last
    year, most for drug offenses.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    Don't know WHAT the ref to 1990 means, maybe a misprint and should say
    "last year and this year" ? typical of the Gazette. The courtesy part
    struck me as sorta funny.. 
                              rfb
    
    ALso more Rainbow People are showing up in Gunnison/Paonia
     all the time...some
    traffic tixs being passed out, but only one bust for small amounts of doses
    Also the local COPS and Forest Service personnel have jumped on the
    vending bandwagon...cops have peacesign tees witha  sherrif star in the
    middle, the forest serv opted for tye-dyes.....no wonder it's so hard
    to kill the vending scene! (No prices in the paper on cop and FS tees) %^) 
    
rfb

Two weeks in a row in Sports Illustrated!

I don't have it in front of me but there is an article about Lithuania's (I 
think) basketball team and how they have gotten sponsorship from lost of 
companies to finance their training/travel.  The "most off-the-wall" of which 
is the Grateful Dead, which dropped in $5 grand and some tie-dye 
uniforms/sweats!!  There is a great pitcure of them all wearing these sharp 
looking tie-dye shorts and tees!  So which of the boys is Lithuanian??

Scott

    I'm not sure but I think someone from the Golden State Warriors
    plays on the Lithuanian team. That might have something to do
    with it.

    
     Sarenoius Marcelonos (REAL bad spelling) is on the Warriors. Good
    ball player. Those warm-ups are COOL!! Tye dye in the flag colors of
    Lithuania with a skeleton doing a two hand dunk!!! :-) I want one!!!
    
    
    Steve-O

    >> with a skeleton doing a two hand dunk!!! :-) 
    
    Fergit the warm-ups ... I just want a window sticker of this, to go
    with the skeleton skier and skeleton kayaker I already have ... ;^)
    
    ... Bobbb
    

In this mornings SF Cronical there was a syndicated story
on a new line of silk ties featuring Jerry's art.  Mr. Garcia
was quoted as saying that he did not think he ever actually
wore a tie.  They are going to be marketed in the upscale 
department stores (and probably outside a venue near you :-)

    There's a picture of Jerry in a white shirt and tie in a recent Relix. 
    It's a photo of him circa '63 with the Good Ol Black Mountain Wildwood
    Boys or whatever they called themselves.
    
    Scott
    

>In this mornings SF Cronical there was a syndicated story
>on a new line of silk ties featuring Jerry's art.  Mr. Garcia
>was quoted as saying that he did not think he ever actually
>wore a tie.  They are going to be marketed in the upscale 
>department stores (and probably outside a venue near you :-)

This must be what da Bulls coach was wearing.  I heard about these on the radio 
this morning, they were the prize in some kind of contest.

Scott

    re .413
    ya but that was Beatnik Jerry...%^)

    On last night's D E N
    		    N I S
    		    M I L
    		    L E R show Dennis was reading his viewer mail. One
    letter asked what his favorite GD song was. He answered "The short
    one." I guess we know wheұZwhere Denands on the Dead.
    
    Come to think of it, I don't ever recall hearing any Dead tunes at the
    beginning of Weekend Update on SNL. Guess we know why, huh.
    
    
    Wonder if he,ll ever have one of the band members on.
    
    Oso

    I don't know, Dennis Miller seems to throw references to the Dead out
    quite often.  Hard to say what his real opinion of them is.  I tend 
    to enjoy it because his humor is a little more obscure (and possibly
    close to my own sense of).  He will often throw out lines that assume
    some background knowledge which I find funny, but his audience seems to 
    not pick up on.
    Don't know if we'll ever see the Dead or any members on (though I 
    wouldn't be surprised if he did have them) but it seems a good bet some
    might show up on the Tonight show with Leno and Brandford Marsalis.
    An NPR interview with Brandford (which I didn't hear, but was reported
    perhaps here and definitely on r.m.gdead) had Branford mentioning the
    boyz favorably and saying he'd like to try to get them on.
    
                                               PeterT
    

A couple more dead media sightings I pulled from the net...

From: wfolsom@star-trek.bbn.com (Wayne Folsom)
Subject: Re: Dead sightings
Date: 8 Jul 92 16:25:40 GMT
Reply-To: wfolsom@BBN.COM (Wayne Folsom)

Nobody mentioned this one also from the Dennis Miller show.  From memory but
I'll do my best.

Miller: Scientists have recently discovered a new form of organism that lives
deep below the Earths crust.  Thay need no sunlight to survive.  It is reported
that they get their energy completely from chemicals.  Scientists are calling
the new organisms deadheads.

(audience laughs)

Miller: I thank you and Pigpen thanks you.

Wayne

------------------------------

From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: dead sighting
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1992 17:24:57 GMT

While flipping channels on the TV last night, I landed on 'Full House' (ok, so
I was really board).  One of the lead characters, Danny, is this increadably
anal neat-freak.  He rides a burro up a mountain, gets in touch w/nature, &
returns to his home a complete slob.  While the rest of his family is
freaking out over his remarkable change, one them says "What happened to you?
Did you get kidnapped by the Gratefull Dead? " :-) :-)

Latter,
mike

    I moved all the TV talk to note 107.* 
    
    Chris_O_MOD

    This is from the NY Times Sunday 7/12/92 Week In Review section:
    
    Dead Threads
    ------------
    
    Who would have thought back then in the Summer of Love, sitting
    on the grass in Golden Gate Park and grooving to the Grateful
    Dead, that 25 years later the lead guitarist, Jerry Garcia,
    would be peddling a collection of men's ties at Bloomingdales?
    It's heavy, man.
    
    The J. Garcia Neckwear Collection, based on paintings and drawings
    by Mr. Garcia, debuted last week. The psychedelic silk crepes cost
    $28.50. They are probably just the thing for the new generation
    of baby-boom politicians, like Gov. Bill Clinton and his running
    mate Senator Al Gore, guys who are young enough to have breathed
    the spirit of the 60's, even if they didn't inhale.
    
    Mr. Garcia, who turns 50 next month, "probably never wore a tie
    in his life," according to the manufacturer. But, no matter.
    Wear in good health, and don't trust anyone under 40.


    ============================================================================
    
    Marc

    hey, that's only the price of one ticket! Not too bad I guess.
    rfb (who just says NO to Ties)

>    $28.50. They are probably just the thing for the new generation
>    of baby-boom politicians, like Gov. Bill Clinton and his running
>    mate Senator Al Gore, guys who are young enough to have breathed
>    the spirit of the 60's, even if they didn't inhale.

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!  8-)

Ah, c'mon rfb.  You can always use another headband. ;-)

tim

    that would be a good cover for the Rolling Stone, wouldn't it Tim?
    Jerry with one of his ties around his head!..or maybe the cover of
    GQ!?!
         %^)rfb

    In the _Style_ section of The SundayNYTimes yesterday (7/19/92),
    it was stated that Tipper Gore had recently bought Europe '72.
    
    It was also empahsized that she was not in favor of censorship,
    and was not in favor of legislation to regulate record contents.
    
    /bruce

    re: Tipper and Europe 72....It's about time!!!!! %^)
                                                        rfb

    
    yeah but has she bought one of Jerry's ties yet?
    
    ;-)
    
    

I also heard on the radio that Tipper was the drummer in a high school rock
band circa 1964.  I'm serious.

adam

    don't know where this goes, but since i heard it in the radio today and
    this is the MEDIA note....
    
    Keith Godchaux died this week in a car wreck in 1979
    
    
    
                                     

The Boston Globe ran a report today that claims that the DEA denies targeting
fans of the Grateful Dead for LSD busts.  Cheif DEA dude is quoted as saying
"We recognize that LSD is a potential problem drug of the future" and the DEA
has increased the # of people used to bust LSD users.  the article claims that
DEA agents are even inserted into Grateful dead crowds.  the DEA denies that
it is targeting the Dead....

complete article is in the front page section.  i don't feel like carpalling,
er, I mean typing, the whole thing in.

    In an effort to freak people out at the dead's Giants Stadium show
    this summer some guy was walking around with a hat that said:
    
                            DEAd!!!
    
    The second d was very small and the other letters were huge!!! He
    got some grate reactions, believe me!!!
    
    Marc

I like it!  Kinda sends a cool message: "it's o.k to be paranoid about drug 
usage at a deadshow."

What ever happended to the "Only you can prevent deadshows" campaign??? Hmm?

re  <<< Note 33.486 by ZENDIA::FERGUSON "Prez term: 4 yrs; Sup. Court: LIFE" >>>
                              -< DEA & The Dead >-

Here's the article, reprinted w/o permission from the Boston Globe ...

"DEA denies targeting fans of Grateful Dead"

  LOS ANGELES - Federal arrests in LSD cases have increased substantially during
the past two years as drug enforcement agents aggressively attempt to thwart the
drug's apparent resurgence in popularity.

  During the late 1980s, the Drug Enforcement Administration typically arrested
about 100 LSD offenders a year.  Last year, that number shot up to 243.  This
year, it is on track to hit 300.

  "My objective is to try to get ahead of the curve on this," said Robert C.
Bonner, DEA administrator, citing studies that show modestly increasing LSD use
at a time when most illegal drugs appear to be on the decline.  "We recognize
that LSD is a potential problem drug of the future."

  As the DEA steps up its enforcement efforts against LSD users, one group
in particular is on the spot: fans of the Grateful Dead, a popular rock band
whose history is intertwined with that of LSD.  Grateful Dead concerts have
created fertile harvesting areas for agents looking to make LSD arrests, and
the increasing number of arrests has convinced many members of the band's
entourage that the federal government has routinely inserted agents into concert
crowds.

  Rumors of DEA surveillance are so detailed that many fans of the Grateful
Dead even insist that the code name is Operation Dead End.

  In an interview last week, Bonner denied that such an operation exists, and
others inside the administration backed him up.  The actual code name of the
attack on LSD is Operation Looking Glass, agents said, and its mission does
not specifically target the band or its fans, known as Deadheads.

  "We don't have any specific intent or operation that is targeted at the
followers of the Grateful Dead," Bonner said.  "It is true that we have had 
some investigations that have led us to some Grateful Dead concerts."

  "It's very troubling," said Dennis McNally, the group's publicists.  "The
notion of serving as a lure for the DEA to arrest members of our audience is
awful."

  McNally said the Grateful Dead has tried to remind its fans that "the scene
around our shows is part of the real world, and the laws apply."

  For its part, the Grateful Dead - through the Rex Foundation, a philanthropic
organization that it funds and whose board includes members of the band - has
quietly fought back.

    from the August 3 issue of TIME magazine:
    (article by Janice C. Simpson, excerpt reprinted without permission)
    
    there's an article entitled "The Bands of Summer"; the page on the left
    has pictures from numerous bands, and in bold lettering is the
    sentence: "Touring shows are booming again, as superstars hit the road
    with performances in which the sounds are enhanced - and sometimes
    swamped - by high-tech, multimillion-dollar special effects and
    gimmicks, from floating autos to body piercing."  The page on the right
    has an article which mentions a whole host of bands that are out
    touring.  In the center of the right page is a picture of some familiar
    faces, with the caption: "THE DEAD: Three decades of touring."  Printed
    in boldface around this picture is the title: "Still the favorite after
    all these years."  And the article, which descibes a lot of the high
    tech wizardry employed by many bands on tour, ends with this paragraph:
    
    	"And yet, after all the hype and hoopla, what is the most popular
    act on tour so far this year?  It is - yes - the Grateful Dead, who
    have been touring virtually nonstop since the 1960s and whose legions
    of devoted fans (known as Dead Heads) continue to turn out year after
    year.  The group takes a decidedly low-tech, no-fuss approach to
    performing, and maybe there's a lesson here.  In any case, it certainly
    seems to exemplify a novel concept: just play good music."

    This from today's Wooster Telegram (reprinted w/o permission)
    
    Garcia under the weather
    
    Five Grateful Dead shows have been cancelled because band
    leader Jerry Garcia is suffering from exhaustion, a 
    spokesman said.
    
    Doctors who examined Garcia, 50, found no specific medical
    problem but said the performer needed at least a month's 
    rest, band spokesman Dennis McNally said.  After a 17 show
    summer tour with the Dead, the guitarist and singer had
    toured with the Jerry Garcia Band.
    
    "He's exhausted," McNally said.  "He needs rest and a good
    healthy regime, which he's getting.  He's at home.  He's 
    not in the hospital."
    
    Two shows in Veneta, Ore., and three shows in Mountain View
    Calif. later this month have been cancelled.  Also, dates 
    when non-mail-order tickets were to go on sale for the Dead's
    East Coast tour next month have been postponed until further
    notice, according to a recording yesterday on the band's 
    telephone hotline.  Tickets for the shows - three each in
    Landover, MD, and Philadelphia and six each in New York and
    Boston - went on sale through the band's mail-order operation
    last month.

A Review of TFTV in BAM (Bay Area Music) Magazine
Reprinted without permission

Please forgive any typos, it's late, and I typed this in while waiting for
a build to finish...

5 notes (like 5 stars)

Sound Summary:  Dead circa 1968; weak vocally, but instrumentally "raging
                and storming like a twelve-legged dervish"

The material on Two From the Vault, recorded at the Shrine Auditorium in LA
August 23-24, 1968, was considered unlistenable until it was electronically
reconstucted by Don Pearson.  It's kind of weird to put that much effort into
a two-disc set that reiterates every song of consequence from Live/Dead,
which was recorded at about the same time; the only tunes missing are
"Feedback" (which the group liked so much they credited authorship to
"Mcgannahon Skyjellyfetti") and the 36-second "And We Bid You Goodnight."
It makes you wonder if Two From the Vault was released just so the Dead could
sell songs on their own label.

However, the superiority of the new release not only justifies Two, it sets a
new standard for archival reclamation.  Live/Dead's fidelity is sludgy and
the songs meander in a druggy haze.  Two From The Vault crackles with
excitement; each instrument and voice is crisply defined to reveal the
arrangements' complexities and the musicians' placement on stage.  Jerry
Garcia's guitar is razor sharp, Bob Weir's coloring is clear (for a change),
and Bill Kreutzmann and Mickey Hart's drums are precise and distinct.

The performance is tight when the Dead play verses and definitive hooks, but
Two From the Vault also contains some out-on-a-limb improvisation -
most notably in "Dark Star" and "New Potato Caboose" - that is daring and
inspired.  The band locks into high energy grooves in "The Eleven" and "The
Other One", raging and storming like a twelve-legged dervish.  The surprising
rawness of "(Walk Me Out in the) Morning Dew" is a firey exclamation point at
the end of the albem.

Other than Pigpen's irresistible singing in "Good Morning, Little Schoolgirl"
and "Turn on Your Love Light", the vocals are no better than on any other
Grateful Dead record.  Awful psuedo-Jefferson Airplane harmonies
render the lyrics unintelligible in "New Potato Caboose" and Garcia's singing
in "Death Don't Have No Mercy" is completely unconvincing. But they've never
been known for vocal prowess, and even tieir worst singing is forgotten
as soon as they launch into the next riff.

Simply put, Two From the Vault is a treasure.  If you want to own one
antediluvian Grateful Dead recording, you'd do well to make it this one.

                                - Richard Price
    

    Last night I was reading FORTUNE magazine on a flight between Chicago
    and Boston (after finishing the copy of Keyboard Player that I had
    brought along).  There was an article on all the over-done commercial
    sponsorships that were part of the Summer Olympics.  Lo and beyold, I
    see a photograph of the Lithuanian Basketball team all in tie-dyes, and
    the caption reads that yes, the Lithuanian Basketball team was
    sponsored by the Dead!
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    

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^AM-OLY--LithuMania, Bjt,0611{ }

^Eds: A version also moving on some business wires{ }
^By LARRY McSHANE=
^Associated Press Writer=
           NEW YORK (AP) - Reebok dropped $25 million on Dan and Dave. Nike
paid muchas pesetas to promote Sir Charles and Air Jordan. So who
came away with the greatest return on their Barcelona investment?
           The Lithuanian basketball team, which didn't spend a penny.
           The tie-dyed Lithuanian basketball warm-up shirts - donated by
the Grateful Dead, detailed with a slam-dunking skeleton - are the
hottest selling item to emerge from this month's Summer Games.
           Thousands of Americans are scarfing up T-shirts like those worn
at the Olympic medal ceremonies by household names (in Vilnius,
anyway) Rimas Kurtinaitis and Valdemaras Khomicus.
           ``Everybody wanted one. They were the coolest shirt. ... A
small-time little thing, a small gesture from the heart, has become
a fad,'' Dead spokesman Dennis McNally said.
           The band's merchandising arm received 20,000 orders since the
shirts went on sale last week, he said.
           While the Dream Team was busy obscuring its warm-up logo with
origami and American flags, the Lithuanians proudly accepted their
bronze medals in multi-colored outfits more suited to Jerry
(Garcia) than Larry (Bird).
           ``All those American millionaires covering up their logos, and
then these guys ... We felt great,'' McNally said. ``Obviously, it
was a gas.''
           So were the outfits, funded by the Dead and created by Phoenix
entrepreneur Mike Fitzgerald and the Poughkeepsie, N.Y.-based Not
Fade Away Tie-Dye Co.
           The shirts were perfect for the Haight and the hoop. Journalists
in Barcelona paid $50 to get extras, while Lithuanian team members
received offers of up to $150 for the shirts off their backs.
           A flood of callers to the NBA's Golden State Warriors, where
Lithuanian leader Sarunas Marciulionis plays, knocked out the
switchboard last week. Ticketmaster, which is also selling the
T-shirts, reported more than 5,000 orders in 48 hours.
           The outcry, coupled with the Lithuanian taam's need for money to
fund its nation's Olympic program, prompted the shirt sale. The
Dead are selling them nationally via a toll-free number and fax
orders.
           What attracted the Dead to a tiny ex-Soviet republic with a
teamful of players they've never met? (Marciulionis was introduced
to the Dead at a Detroit concert; none of the other players would
know Bob Weir from Bob Dole).
           ``The Grateful Dead are about celebration and freedom. It was
utterly appropriate - this small country, emerging from the shadows
after 54 years. What could be better than connecting with us?''
McNally said.
           The shirts are selling here for $30, of which $8 to $10 will go
to the Lithuanian Olympic Committee. It desperately needs the money
to make up for the loss of funds once generated by the powerful
Soviet sports machine.



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           The shirts are 100 percent pre-shrunk cotton and come in large
and extra-large only, which is no surprise to anyone who's seen
Garcia lately.
           It's just another bit of good news for the Lithuanian hoopsters,
who returned to the Games as an independent country after the
breakup of the Soviet Union.
           They won a medal by defeating the Soviet remnants, the Unified
Team, in one of the Games' most emotional moments. Each team had
four members from the Soviet's 1988 gold medal team - a group which
favored hammers and sickles over slam-dunking skeletons.
           ``There's just something very loose and fun-loving with the
Lithuanian basketball team,'' McNally said. ``There's an affinity
there.''
^---=
           Readers interested in ordering a shirt can call 1-800-225-3323;
orders also can be faxed to 415-898-9695.

    I'd love one of those shirts. :-)

    t-shirt orders are killin my budget right now!!!
                                         rfb

    In a very short interview on WNEW in NY this morning Bobby said
    that Jerry is doing much better, that he's lost so much weight people
    won't recognize him, and that it looks like December is on. He
    mentioned that NYE was almost assured and that there might be
    tune-ups in Arizona and Denver...FWIW.
    
    Marc

That's great news!  But why go to Denver and Arizona just to tune up, I mean I 
know how much they hate to be out of tune and all but....what's that you 
say?...ohh, never mind...

8^)

re  thinner Jerry  

:^)  This AM I was imagining a grey but thinner, healthy Jerry beltin' out the
tunes on NYE .... !

- dc

 Yeah, I heard on BCN last night that he'd lost 30lbs and has quit smoking..






Jum

    YAY!!!!  :) :) :)
    
    	No more butts for him either!
    
    
    :) sparky

    
    30 lbs in a little over a month?  Wow, sounds drastic, I hope
    he's healthy.
    
    MJ_hungry_as_usual!

re: thinner jerry

does this mean that he's going to have to order a whole new wardrobe of black
t-shirts?

/rich

    
    
     GRATE news that he's feeling better, and a tune up in DENVER would make
    me feel better also..........
    
      Divide Dave
    

    
    re .503
    
    No, over the years Jerry has fit into black t-shirts of many sizes!!
    :^)
    
    Hogan

    On a lighter note, one of last week's episodes of Mystery Science
    Theater 3000 was was giving the treatment to "The Phantom Creeps"
    (starring Bela Lugosi). If you haven't seen it, Joel and the 'bots
    (robots) are forced to watch bad movies and sit there wisecracking
    throughout.
    
    Bela's car stops to pick up a hobo, and we hear:
    
    'Hey, thanks man. Are you guys going to the Dead concert too? Wow!
    Cool!. Say, did you hear Pigpen died?'
    
    At this point the 'bots turn away from the movie demanding to know if
    its really true, how did it happen etc. They keep coming back to the
    topic during the rest of the show.
    
    Well, I thought it was funny. I guess you have to be in the right state
    of mind.
    
    gary

Heh heh heh ...

Wish I got the Comedy Channel.  Then again, I'd probably wind up tripling
my TV viewing time ....

- dc comedy fan

    > 'Hey, thanks man. Are you guys going to the Dead concert too? Wow!
    >  Cool!. Say, did you hear Pigpen died?'
    
    But Gary, was this an actual line from the movie, or one of Joel's 
    thrown in lines (as I would expect)?  I stumble across this every
    now and then, but I'm usually reading something too, so I don't
    catch much of what's going on.  Why do I bother ;-)
    
    Sigh....
    PeterT
    

    Nearly all Bela Lugosi movies have references to the dead :-)
    
    Since the movie dates from the late 40s or early 50s, it was was a
    comment from the 'audience'.
    
    >now and then, but I'm usually reading something too, so I don't
    >catch much of what's going on.  Why do I bother ;-)
    
    If you don't pay attention, you miss the connecting flights. I always
    tape them if they look vaguely interesting as I never get to watch them
    without distractions during the day. Watching them late at night kind
    of takes me back to the student union cinema at my old University (but
    MST3k usually plays the reels in the right order).
    
    gary

    
   From: berger@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (Daniel Berger)
   Subject: Bob sings the Star Spangled Banner
   Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:10:14 GMT
   
   FYI...
   
   At Saturday night's Warriors game vrs Portland, Bob Weir sang the Star
   Spangled Banner!  This was preceeded by Donn Nelson, Sarunas Marciulionus,
   and Bob performing the Lithuania national anthem.  
   
   Bob had his acoustic guitar, and began the the Star Spangled Banner by
   saying, "Y'all should know the words to this next one..."
   
   Satorially, he was dressed in a grey sports coat, with a tye-dye
   ("Lithunian"?) underneath.
   
   Daniel
   
   (tapes are being pursued - it was not on TV - do not know if it was on the
   radio.  but there are always ways....)
   

    Saw a blurb on CNN the other day with Mickey Hart.  He's recording the
    San Quentin Choir for CD release.
    
    Scott
    

    >>            <<< Note 33.511 by TLE::ABBOT "No more years" >>>

    >> Saw a blurb on CNN the other day with Mickey Hart.  He's recording the
    >> San Quentin Choir for CD release.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    As in the prison?
    
    sparky_goin'_wowza

 I'm sure they're all captivated by the project :-)

	They can all hum a few bars too, 'specially Cell-tic rhythms ;-)

    Yeah, the prison.  They showed a bit of them playing.  Reminded me of
    the final scene in the Blues Brothers.  Kinda bluesy electric gospel.
    Mickey said their music was too good to keep behind bars.
    
    Scott
    

Reminds me of a joke (I'll try to make it short)...


	Once upon a time, Tarzan was sent up the river for exposing himself at
a Dead concert. It was San Quinton, as a matter of fact (they knew no mere
medium security prison would hold this jungle guy). After a time, Tarzan, being
bored, took up a job in the stable caring for the horses which the mounted
guardsmen used to patrol the perimeter. 

	The work kept Tarzan distracted so that he could cope with being out of 
his jungle element, but all the prisoners knew it wouldn't last, and sooner or 
later, Tarzan's longing for his deepest darkest Africa would drive him mad.

	Sure enough, one fine Forth of July a guard came upon Tarzan in the
stable. His jaw dropped in astonishment when he saw that tarzan was painting
black stripes on white horses, white stripes on black horses, and black and
white stripes on grey horses. "What the #@$%@&*! are you doing??" he asked
Tarzan. Tarzan replied: "Tarzan paint black stripes on white horses, white
stripes on black horses, and black and white stripes on grey horses".  Well,
Tarzan was sent to the Warden's office and warned not to paint black stripes on
white horses, white stripes on black horses, and black and white stripes on
grey horses ever again, lest he be put in solitary confinement. The Warden
assumed that Tarzan missed his homeland and wanted to have some zebras around,
so he went easy on him and let him return to this work at the stables. 

	All went well for a year. Until July forth, when Tarzan was again
caught painting black stripes on white horses, white stripes on black horses,
and black and white stripes on grey horses. Again, he was hauled into the
Warden's office. "I went easy on you the first time, but this time, I'm putting
you in solitaire for one month. Do you know how stupid the guardsmen look
riding around on animals painted with black stripes on white horses, white
stripes on black horses, and black and white stripes on grey horses??" 

	Tarzan served his solitary and eventually was allowed to care for the
stables again. Another year passed, and sure enough come July forth, Tarzan was
caught painting black stripes on white horses, white stripes on black horses,
and black and white stripes on grey horses and was hauled into the Warden's
office. This time, the Warden noticed as he looked at Tarzan's rap sheet that
Tarzan only painted black stripes on white horses, white stripes on black
horses, and black and white stripes on grey horses on the forth of July. The
Warden looked up at the shackled Tarzan in wonder. He had always assumed that
Tarzan just missed his homeland and wanted to make the prison a bit more like
home. Finally, the Warden looked Tarzan right in the eye and asked "Why? Why,
Tarzan, do you insist on painting black stripes on white horses, white stripes
on black horses, and black and white stripes on grey horses? Why??? And Why on
the forth of July??? Tell me!" 

Tarzan raised a fist and replied: "Tarzan stripes forever!"

    I humbly apologize to everyone for reminding Fog of that joke.
    

    
    Excuse me while I jump out the window.
    
    aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!
    
    

    gee Phyllis, you keep jumping out that window and you come back for
    more....what floor are you on anyway ?
    
    I can't do that here cuz the windows don't open and well Im on the 1st
    floor....;-o

    
    9th  {ouch}
    
    

    
>    9th  {ouch}
    
 

   But that's another story :-)



   

>    I can't do that here cuz the windows don't open and well Im on the 1st
>    floor....;-o

	and besides, considering the windows are 5' high you'd have to jump
	up to jump out anyway.......

    >>	and besides, considering the windows are 5' high you'd have to jump
    >>	up to jump out anyway.......
      
    
    Unless of course someone THREW him out.
    
    No wait, you can't do that until after next October!  ;-)
    
    JUST KIDDING HONEY!
    
    

Jerry is in the Dec 1 issue of Life Magazine (Special Issue on 40 Years of Rock 
and Roll) in a story called "Best on Guitar."  Picture of him sittin' on a 
couch with his guitar in hand and a big ole smile on his face.

Also pictured: Clapton, BB King, Robbie Robertson, Eddie Van Halen, Carlos 
Santana, Buddy Guy, Bonnie Raitt ("one of the finest slide players in rock"), 
Chuck Berry, and Les Paul.  Article talks about a lot of others.

Scott

     Huh?  No Neil Young?
    
     Haven't they heard Cortez the Killer?

    And Stevie Ray vaughn and Robert Cray and . . . .

    And Duane Allman...and Jimi Hendrix...and Mark Knopfler...

    do they mention me????   :^)  :^)  :^)

    Rolling Stone finally has a new edition of their record guide out.  The
    reviewers are different and . . . the Dead now have a couple of five
    star albums (Workingman's and AB)!  Dave Marsh didn't have a hand in
    this, obviously.  It looked up-to-date; "Without A Net" was in there.
    
    Oddly, I didn't see a new crop of "I once saw Jerry take a leak
    backstage at the Fillmore, so I ghostwrote this book" books that make
    their annual appearance just in time for the gift-giving holidays.  Can
    it be that there's nothing left to say?
    
    Jamie

The Globe this past sunday has a "pop" quiz (quiz on the pop culture) and
there was one question I thought they had the incorrect answer to.

The question was to relate/thing a phrase to fact.

They had this one:

Q)  Mother McRee's Uptown Jug Campions

and the answer was:

The original name of the grateful dead.

Now, I think this is wrong.  The way I remember reading is that Mother McRee's
was a band that Jerry played the banjo in.  I don't even recall if any G.D.
members were in that band (maybe Billy)...  anyways, Jerry then moved to the
Warlocks, which included Phil and bobby ... i always thought that the
Warlocks was the original G.D. name, not mother mcree's ...

anyone know this for sure?

    re: Mother Mcree's...  I saw that one too and thought it amusing.
    As for who was in MMUJC, I think at least Pig might have been in 
    that one, maybe Bobby as well.  I've got a few books at home
    (and I'd suspect some others here might as well) that would give a 
    more definitive line up.  If the answer's not here after Turkey
    daze, I'll fill it in.
    
    PeterT
    

Yep I saw that too.  I thought that the point-scale at the end of the answers
was even funnier that the article:

(paraphrased but I remember the first and last ones :-)

0-10 pts. - Recent arrival from Boznia-Herzegovia
10-20 pts. - <something-or-other>
20-30 pts. - Cultural maven 
30-60 pts. - Head of CIA during Bush adminstation


Josh

    
    I got "Backstage Pass" as a gift for my B-day and 
    after watching it (only once so far) I think I really
    like it.  Then again, I think I would like any type of
    footage of the dead so maybe I'm not a good critic! 
    
    Some little picky complaints:
    
    Too short....  I could watch that stuff for hours!!!
    
    Not enuff pigpen......  I wished they had shot at least
    one entire song featuring pig.  
    
    I also would have liked to hear some dialog....  like
    when they are goofing around...  
    
    
    but....  I like it in any case, and I'm sure I will watch
    it many many many more times!!!!
    
    MJ

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From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Compton Busts
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1992 02:03:02 GMT

        This just on the news - there were 60 arrests for drugs
        at the Compton Terrace concerts today.  Apparently, nine
        different law enforcement agencies cooperated on the
        sweep, targeting the Dead show.

        Those arrested will be charged with a felony, but can
        choose to go into some sort of Drug Treatment program,
        according to the news.  From what I've heard, AZ is _not_
        a good place to get busted in...

        Be careful out there...

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    possision of any amount of greenstuff is an automatic felony in Az.....
    the previous note does not suprise me at all.
    
    rfb

	I tell ya!

	It's great to read Dead-Show bust reports again.... ;-|

 Wonder how many people got arrested during the football game out there on 
 Sunday?  Probably won't hear about that.





 Jum

Heck, they're just good ol' boys having a good ol' time.  :^/

- DC

 Well, folks, the boys are now on those ads one sees on cable channels..they
are advertising 2 videos and 2 CDs for $49.95...call now..operators are
standing by..






Jum

	or send a check or money order to ...

		Grateful Dead
		Box whatever
		Grand Central Station
		New York, NY 100XX

   From the Boston Globe "Quotes of Note" 12/12/92:  
   
   "Tipper and Al came to a show the last time we played in Washington.
   They're nice people, a nice family.  We made every effort not to
   frighten them."
                           - Jerry Garcia, on rumors the Grateful Dead
                                            may play at the Inaugural.

 I saw that Saturday....Heck, wonder if they would have played at my inaugural?






 Jum

    I love the comment from Jerry about trying not to frighten Al and
    Tipper.  
    
    

    :-) I know.. he cracks me up..

    re the woman with the white scarves.....the one with the REALLY long
    blonde hair dancin side stage????
    
    rfb

    
    We were wondering who she was.  She stood on Phil's side of the stage
    for both shows.  What was with those scarves?  
    
    Mar

    I think he said her name was "Manaja" (sp?) ...
    
    :), danielle
    

Sorry about all the typos, Blame Jim McKay, not me...

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From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: USA Today Article: Deadheads in Court
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:57:28 GMT

From Page 1:

DEAD END:  Arrests for LSD are high, the penalty is heavy and many fans 
of the band Grateful Dead find that being "Deadheads" works against them in
court.

From Page 11A:

"Grateful Dead Followers"

ATTACK ON DEADHEADS IS NO HALLUCINATION

"Band's followers handed stiff LSD sentences"
by Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

David Chevrette was a yound free-spirited hippie.

His only possessions were his clothes, a dog, and a 1970 VW bus painted 
with peace signs.  For fun, he followed the Grateful Dead rock group on 
concert tours.

Then the 20-year old got busted for sellin g LSD in 1990 to a guy he met on 
the beach.

Now he's doing 10 years in federal prison with no parole  -- a longer
sentence than those given in federal court to rapists, armed robbers and
some big drug dealers.

Chevrette is the victim of a concerted crackdown on Garetful Dead fans
-- called Deadheads -- and a quirk in the federal drug law.

That quirk -- involving whether to weigh the paper or sugar cube the drug is
stored on  -- has resulted in what Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., calls an 
"unintended inequity".

In short:  LSD sentences are out of proportion -- by a factor of 50 or
more  -- with other drug sentences.

Chevrette's term for $1,500 worth of LSD is more severe than if he smuggled 
$100,000 worth of heroin.

That quirk buried deep and unnoticed in a large drug law -- has been turned
into a bludgeon in teh battle against Deadheads.

Today 1,500 to 2,000 Deadheads are in prison, up from fewer than 100 four 
years ago.  Most are young middle-class whites or old hippies.  Many are 
serving mandatory no-parole prison terms of 10 or 20 years.

"We've opened up a vein here," says Gene Haislip, head of LSD enforcement
at the DEA.  "We're going to mine it until this whole thing turns around."

The DEA has tripled spending, personnel and arrests for LSD since January 1990.
"We've seen a marked pattern of LSD distribution at Grateful Dead concerts,"
says Haislip.  "That has something to do with why so many Deadheads are 
arrested."

The Grateful Dead -- top grossing concert act last year ($34,000,000) --
has been around since the 1960s.

Some people are weekend fans, such as U.S. Vice President-elect Gore and his
wife, Tipper, who took their daughter to a June Dead show.

Others are more devoted.  They wear tie-dyed shirts and catch five or ten 
shows a year.

The most dedicated fans follow the band from show to show, cretaing a traveling
village of 3,000 to 6,000 sometimes called "Deadland".

The values are pure '60s:  peace, love, vegitarianism, communal living and
partying.  To many, mind expansion is also part of the Deadhead experience
-- and that means LSD.

"Yes, LSD is my sacrament," says Franklin Martz, a Haigh-Ashbury born hippie
who saw his first Dead show in 1967.  He's now serving a 40-year LSD 
sentence.  

This brazen advocacy angers many police and parents.

A USA Today review of more than 30 Deadhead cases found thay routinely have
their musical tastes, dress and lifestyle used against them in the
criminal justice system:

*  More Police Searches:  A U. of N.H. police officier acknowledged that 
he pulled over cars with Garteful Dead bumper stickers.

*  Bond Denial:  Deadhead Janet Godwin's license plate was presented at her 
N.C. bond hearing to prove that she was a flight risk.  The plate read
RAMBROSE, after the Grateful Dead song "Ramble On Rose".

*  Negative Portrayal To Jury And News Media:  Police told the media that
Michael Thrasher's 1.984 doese of LSD has a satanic symbol, an upside down 
pentagram.  No mention was made of the word "LOVE" stamped across the
LSD paper.

The jury learned that Thrasher, 19, a college student from Portland 
was in a band named Ethel & Jake's Psychadelic Jug Band, Jamboree, and Wino 
Wrestling Team.  "A big issue at my trial was my 'alternative lifestyle',"
says Thrasher.

(The article and supplementary articles which fill the page also talk 
about courts associating Deadheads with "cults"; Deadheads being classified
as "gang oriented" in prison, an ACLU comment, problems with other 
wise routine plea talks; "justidiction shopping", as well as auxiulliary
USA Today type articles talking about quirks in the law and the Dead's
spokesman Dennie McNally's comments.)

As someone who has been a major fan of the Dead for eight years but not
an illegal substance user, I find it ridiculously discrimanatory to pre-judge 
everyone like this, to say the least.  But that's life.  Maybe the 
DEA is probably watching Gore and Phil Jackson too.


------------------------------

Ah, justice in America ...

That makes me sick.
Thanks to Bush and Reagan.

/ready_to_throwup/jc

    print that and send to Bill and Al...!!!
    
    rfb

I heard a piece on NPR this morning...

It seems that the San Quentin (sp?) Prison gospel chorus is releasing
an album...titled something like "He Is All I Need" or some such.  It
sounded pretty cool...all gospel numbers sung by the prison chorus, which
is made up of both prisoners and guards and other prison employees.

OK...so what's this got to do with "Dead in the Media"?  Well, the album
is produced by Mickey Hart and is put out on the Ice 9 label!  Yes...it
*is* available through Grateful Dead Mechandising!

tms_who_thinks_Mickey_does_some_pretty_nifty_stuff

	I caught a great shot of Bob and Jerry in what was a strange
	circumstance last night:

	I was watching "what we eat", a pbs special which talked about
	diet, the basic-four-food group and other myths like that.  Then
	they showed newclippings with newspaper hype, and so on.  One
	of the newpapers which was used as a background to the host for
	a couple of minutes was from Colorado, with a headline of "Low-fat 
	diet key to health" or something, but below that on the paper was 
	another headline, "Fans behavior hypes Dead music" or thereabouts,
	subheading "band to play Mile High stadium".   To the left of this 
	headline was a *huge* picture of Bob+Jerry on stage ;-)    Bob has 
	both hands upin the air (must've been lovelight or estimated ;-) and 
	peaking directly to the side is jerry with this huge grin. ;-)

	Anyone else notice that ?

	Ken

    no, but i remember the show! %^)
    
    rfb

I noticed a new copy of Musician magazine on the rack this morning with an
article entitled something like "Bob Weir on the future of the Dead".

Didn't pick up the mag, though.

	~dave

    
        Jerry was on mtv this past weekend for a short interview. didn't
     catch the whole thing as i was cooking at the time but here are some
     jerry quotes i did catch (paraphrasing):
    
           Jerry on his health:
           "the threat of death can be a powerful incentive"
    
           Jerry on not playing new years:
           "we did it for bill graham. he would start on us in april...
            and by october he wouild have coherced us into it. we did
            it for him"
    
            Jerry on touring:
            "we'll probally tour more now than before. we're not about to
             quit. this is what we do." 
                                        
            

>          <<< Note 33.557 by 21793::HANNAN "Beyond description..." >>>
>
>	I caught a great shot of Bob and Jerry in what was a strange
>	circumstance last night:
>
>	I was watching "what we eat", a pbs special which talked about
>	diet, the basic-four-food group and other myths like that.  Then
>	they showed newclippings with newspaper hype, and so on.  One
>	of the newpapers which was used as a background to the host for
>	a couple of minutes was from Colorado, with a headline of "Low-fat 
>	diet key to health" or something, but below that on the paper was 
>	another headline, "Fans behavior hypes Dead music" or thereabouts,
>	subheading "band to play Mile High stadium".   To the left of this 
	headline was a *huge* picture of Bob+Jerry on stage ;-)    Bob has 
>	both hands upin the air (must've been lovelight or estimated ;-) and 
>	peaking directly to the side is jerry with this huge grin. ;-)
>
>	Anyone else notice that ?
>
>	Ken

    
    
    YUP!!  Saw it all.  I was going to write something in but I was home on
    vacation and just couldn't get myself to dial in to a computer.  
    
    They really kept the picture of B&J up there on the screen for a while,
    didn't they!  The thing is, they didn't have to keep it there in whole,
    they could've centered the nutriotion article a bit more, hiding the
    photograph.
    
    My conclusion: deadhead director!
    
    dave

      On MTV music news yesterday, they talked about this guy from
    New York named Concert Joe...he claims to have seen over 1000
    concerts last year and he wants the Guiness Book to create a
    new category for him....anyway...they said his favorite concerts
    of the year were the Dead, the Allman Bros., Pavirotti, and some
    other folks I can't recall off-hand...oh, yeah...they said C.J.
    spent $14,000 going to all the concerts...imagine averaging 3
    shows a night, every day of the year... ;-)
    
                     DaveB

    Looks like there's saving in quantity, fourteen bucks a show, that's
    about half price.
    
    Bahgin deal!

    
    
    Did they say how Concert Joe got the money to do that?
    
    - Rich Family who supports his "avocation"
    
    - Publisher's clearing house winner
    
    - Sponsored by Ticket Shafter
    
    Tree

>    spent $14,000 going to all the concerts...imagine averaging 3
>    shows a night, every day of the year... ;-)

Um, call me skeptical but how does one go to three concerts a night?
Or does he just show up for a song or two and then leave for the next
concert?

tms_who_would_rather_stress_quality_than_quantity

    
    If they're talking about the guy I know, we call him Joe Pipe.  He does
    go to more than 1 show a night.  He'll catch a set here, a set there,
    etc.  Or a whole show one place and then catch the closing set
    somewhere else.  An opening band one place, lead band somewhere else,
    etc.  I know he gets in to a lot of places for free since he goes
    everywhere so often and knows all the door folks, etc.
    
    Takes all kinds.
    
    

In the Feb. '93 issue of Esquire, George Plimpton has an article entitled, 
"Bonding with the Grateful Dead". It's a pretty good article of him going to 
a show (backstage talking with Jerry, Paul Newman, etc) at the Meadowlands 
with his son. 

Also in the issue is an oral history (i.e. quotes from a number of folks) of 
how Hunter Thompson got to be Hunter Thompson.

> (SSGV02::GPEACE::Strobel)  In the Feb. '93 issue of Esquire

Well, that figger's...freekin' finance guy reading esquire! :-) :-) :-)

And many more smileys... :-)

Dave

>Well, that figger's...freekin' finance guy reading esquire! :-) :-) :-)

Aw, c'mon Dave,  maybe the poor guy got stuck in the Dentist's waiting room
for several hours or somethin'....;-)


tim

actually, it's a subscription. A friend of mine gave it to me for Christmas a 
number of years ago and has been renewing it annually ever since. They 
usually have some good articles and some contributing authors. 

    
    >They
    >usually have some good articles and some contributing authors.
    
    sounds like someone explaining a Playboy subscription.
    
    ;-) ;-)
    
    

    >usually have some good articles and some contributing authors.
    just as long as you don't look at the pictures
    
    c
    

------------------------------

From: deannab@sr.hp.com (Deanna Bergstrom)
Subject: Santa Rosa Dead Citing
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 23:19:36 GMT



From the Santa Rosa (CA) Press Democrat
Monday, Feb. 1, 1993

(Copied without permission)

BEACH EVICTIONS APPALL GRATEFUL DEAD MEMBER
Drummer plans protest to delay state action

by Tobias Young

Navarro Beach-- Grateful Dead drummer Bill Kreutzmann said he will chain 
himself to a blockade and risk arrest rather than allow the state to
evict an encampment of homeless squatters.

"I am going to protest", said Kreutzmann, who has lived on the Mendocino
coast 20 years.  "I am going to chain myself to something and I'm willing
to get arrested.  I find it incomprehensible and morally bankrupt to treat
human beings like this."

The State Department of Parks is evicting about 20 adults and nine children
who have lived in trailers and makeshift shelters on the beach for the past
18 months, the largest encampment of homeless in the county.

After neighbors complained the homeless community was unsightly and were
scaring visitors off, the state decided to put in campsite and parking
facilities and begin to charge for overnight camping.

Rangers today are expected to start daily patrols and warn those living
on the beach to leave within three to four weeks.

Kreutzmann, 46, befriended some of the beach dwellers weeks ago when he
started bringing them clothing, food, sleeping bags and flashlights. 
"They won my heart right away", he said.

He said the eviction is inevitable, but he is asking the state to allow
three months for the people to find alternatives.  He said the delay would
also "diffuse the possibility of a big showdown."

On Friday, Kreutzmann walked along the windswept Mendocino bluffs a few
miles from home and talked about his life and why he going to bat for the
Navarro Beach community.

His once-dark hair now graying, the longtime drummer of the legendary
Grateful Dead and soon-to-be grandfather, still spends time surfing and
diving in the North Coast waters.  And the band continues to pack concerts.

Wearing faded jeans and a sweat shirt, Kreutzmann talked about a time 25  
years ago when the band was undiscovered, and he lived, cashless, with
his wife in a ramshackle, dirt-floor barn with one wall missing.

"Those were our pretty outlandish days," he said.  "We had no money at all,
but we got by.  I was at a young enough age so that it seemed romantic,
but I have the feeling I would get tired of it."

He empathizes with the people at Navarro Beach, he said.

"It would be a gift if I could get them 3 months," said Kreutzmann.  "I
don't think that's asking too much.  They've been here two years, why do   
they have to be out in two weeks?"

Dave Bartlett, state parks district superintendent, said he hopes  
Kreutzmann and others will focus on finding alternative shelter rather
than protesting.

State parks must comply with certain rules, Bartlett said, including, in
this case, a seven-day limit and a $5 overnight fee.  The campers and
hillside neighbors were barred last week from driving on the beach or
using chainsaws to cut driftwood for fires.

Kreutzmann said he is looking for land where the families can temporarily
set up camp and continue to live as a community.  In the long run, he said,
he wants to help the families find stable housing.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Reproduced without permission...all typos mine.


------------------------------

finding a suitable compromise - what an impressive idea!  Bill should run
for office!!!

    
    The Discovery Channel had a rerun of the special with a short portion
    deadicated to Mickey Hart's digitizing of old records for posterity's
    sake.  Had a few brief shots of the Dead playing during the intro. 
    Nice bit on saving ooold music
    
    -Mark

In todays Boston Globe sports section an article entitled "WALTON, ERVING 
AMONG HALL ENTRANTS" starts off with the paragraph:

	"The Basketball Hall of Fame has accepted its first 
	 officiial Deadhead. Bill Walton, whose interest in
	 the Grateful Dead musical group has symbolized his 
	 life nearly as much as his involvement in basketball,
	 was selected yesterday along with Julius Erving and
	 six other former players".

Congratulations Bill & Dr. J!

    in todays Boston Globe
    
    	More Mickey: Grateful Dead Drummer Micky Hart kicks off his next
    ethno-musicological album with a party at the Library of Congress March
    15. Vice president Albert Gore - and all members of the Grateful Dead -
    are expected to attend. Titled "The Spirit Cries," the album is
    compiled from Library of Congress tapes of tribal music from Central
    America and the Caribbean.
    
    

    Also in today's Globe (right above the Micky blurb) was a bit about
    St!ng touring with the Dead on stadium shows this summer.  They
    mentioned Meadowlands and Buffalo.  They share the same agent and St!ng
    said he's interested in finding out what the Deadhead scene is all
    about.
    
    Marv_the_!_is_in_honor_of_our_NTTH_ex_Deccie
    
    

I just got this flash of Jerry and Al Gore hangin' out at the Library of
Congress.  What do you suppose they'd be talkin' about?  Who inhales?

;-)

tim

    
    Entertainment Weekly issue #161 has a cover story on the Dead. 
    There's a big picture of Jerry with the band superimposed on his
    t-shirt.  Big title - IS DEAD GOD? The near death & rebirth of rock's
    most worshiped band
    
    Too long to type, sorry..
    
    

    I was looking through an older copy of Downbeat magazine (September
    '92?), and came across a capsule review of TFTV.  Four stars out of a
    possible five.  Not bad for a jazz magazine!!
    
    	~dave

From:	NECSC::PECKAR "Rachel Peckar / US MultiVendor Software Services  22-Mar-1993 0932" 22-MAR-1993 09:33:23.67
To:	levy,mikey
CC:	
Subj:	FWD: What a long strange trip

From:	CONTRA::PMCVAY "Pete McVay, LKG2-2/P09 226-7646  20-Mar-1993 1731"   20-MAR-1993 17:36:07.85
To:	NECSC::PECKAR
CC:	
Subj:	What a long strange trip

From:	DELNI::ERIS::CALLAS "What else did we do together?  20-Mar-1993 1637" 20-MAR-1993 16:39:35.90
To:	ERISTOCRACY
CC:	
Subj:	"...what a long strange trip it's been."

From:	US2RMC::"patty.hardy@lia.com" "Patty A. Hardy" 19 March '93 11:09 pm
To:	eris::callas
CC:	
Subj:	"...what a long strange trip it's been."

Taken w/o permission:

Credit:   THE WASHINGTON POST   (WP)
          Edition:  FINAL
          Section:  STYLE
          Page:     e08
          Category: REVIEW
          (Copyright 1993)

Up on the second level of the Thomas Jefferson Building of the
Library of Congress last night, right above one of the stern-looking
marble eagles, sat Jerry Garcia. Perched on the thick railing, feet
propped up and head swaying to the sounds of two traditional Aluku
vocalists down below, the Grateful Dead kingpin looked to be having
a swell time.

He wasn't the only one. Several hundred people, including
members of Congress, more of the Dead and some environmental
activists, had come to celebrate the unveiling of a CD titled "The
Spirit Cries: Music From the Rainforests of South America and the
Caribbean" and the launching of the Endangered Music Project. The
project is the product of a disparate group of collaborators: Dead
drummer Mickey Hart, the library's American Folklife Center and
Rykodisc - a label known for its David Bowie and Frank Zappa
releases. The album calls attention to the traditional music as an
endangered resource - like the rain forests themselves - and
features songs culled from the library's vast reservoir.
The Dead mingled among Hill types young and not so young - at
one time perhaps an odd mix in the conservative world of Washington,
but just remember: Band leader Jerry Garcia is just four years older
than Bill Clinton.

"I've been a Dead fan for years," said a grinning Sen. Patrick
Leahy (D-Vt.), a sponsor of the event who even had his picture taken
with the group. His favorite tune? The response was instantaneous.
"Black Muddy River." 

Also enjoying herself was Shellie Holvbek. "I came to see Jerry
and eat," she said.

While a newly svelte Garcia - his recent ailments took the Dead
off the road for the past eight months - signed autographs and
sipped red wine, guitarist Bob Weir stood near the bar. For him,
getting involved with the issues is "a personal thing. I don't see
it in terms of politics; I don't relate to the political system, as
such. I have my own methods," said Weir. As to Garcia's health, "I
think he's feeling great. The playing is fun, it's what we do."
The significance of the evening wasn't lost on traditional
Aluku singer Sephiro Mais, who along with Aleina Apalobi entertained
the assemblage with music from their native French Guiana. "I never
dreamed a thing like this would happen," he said through
ethnomusicologist Ken Bilby. "Everything is left to God. Perhaps
it's God's doing that we're here."

God may have had a little assistance on this one.
About a dozen years ago, when Mickey Hart began research for
his book "Planet Drum: A Celebration of Percussion and Rhythm"
(published in 1991), he started spending time at the Library of
Congress; with the Grateful Dead playing here at least twice a year,
that wasn't difficult.

"I'm sure when Mickey first came, he wondered, `Can I work with
a library?' and people over here wondered, `Can we work with a rock
star?' " said Alan Jabbour, director of the Library's American
Folklife Center, which houses the Archive of Folk Culture, the
world's largest repository of recorded sound.

"We've discovered we make a good fit, spiritually and in other
ways," said Jabbour.

The Archive of Folk Culture contains some 50,000 recordings;
it has been collecting material since its founding in 1928. The
recordings range from early wax cylinders to digital tapes. It has
collected music through donations, from its own field workers and by
lending tape recorders to researchers around the world.
"I spent a lot of time in the Archive's back rooms," Hart
recalled. "And I'd hear the legends about the great treasures that
were stored in the building. I knew it was Alexandria and the
Vatican Library all rolled into one, the Oz of archives - the
ultimate wine cellar. I couldn't wait to get in there and start
sampling the vintage."

In 1990, Hart approached Jabbour with a simple question: "What
do you have from the rain forests of the Americas?"

"We did a census of the collection and found about 100 hours
recorded between the '40s and '80s," Jabbour said. Of that, 10 hours
were sent to Hart, who culled an hour of music drawn from rain
forest peoples ranging from the Ashaninka and Shipibo of Peru to the
Moore Town Maroons of Jamaica and the Garifuna of Belize.
According to Jabbour, "Nobody had ever pulled together an
anthology of different cultural traditions and then asked themselves
the question: What does it mean? It turned out that there are
threads that connect up all of these recordings, particularly in the
way {the music} is used in healing, which in these tribal groups
involves using the herbs and the animals of the rain forest.

"The music turns out to be intimately interconnected not only
with the people but with the rain forest itself," Jabbour adds. "The
larger moral was these aren't just the people who live in the rain
forest, they're people whose way of live is intertwined with the
rain forest."

Hart's challenge was to make the recordings both accessible
and enjoyable. The sources were at times rough. After all, few of
the field recorders are as experienced at taping as the average
Deadhead.

"Some of these recordings are swill," Hart concedes. "And no
one wants to listen to a CD of horrible scratchy field recordings -
you want good earplay. I'm more interested in people spending some
time listening to this music than just the purity of the recording."
Hart's re'sume' included his "World" series on Rykodisc: dozens
of newly recorded albums from different cultures around the globe.

"I showed Alan my idea of presenting {the music} first rate - taking
as much time and energy as I would on a commercial release that
would sell a million records."

Hart proposed taking the recordings - many on acetates and
cylinders - and preserving them forever in the digital domain. "I
think I made them an offer they couldn't refuse."

Don Rose, head of Ryko, had been through this already on the
"World" series.

"We've learned with Mickey Hart never to have limited
expectations anymore," says Rose. "A number of things we've done
with him which we thought were solidly obscure - the `Wisconsin Pow
Wow' or `Voices of the Rain Forest' - have exceeded any expectations
we had by such a long margin that they sell better than some of our
rock releases. There's a solid audience of people who are interested
in this stuff but don't have access to it."

"It's the world's music," says Hart. "What we sound like as a
people is right there. All the sounds the anthropologists and
ethnomusicologists gathered in their nets is in that building. I've
tasted a few other musics that are in there and it's exciting beyond
belief, makes my hair tingle just thinking about it."

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>Also enjoying herself was Shellie Holvbek. "I came to see Jerry
>and eat," she said.
    
    Looks like the editorial quality of the Post is slipping -- how did
    they miss that errant "and"?
    
    Jamie

Thanks Fog,

That was grate.

tim

    
    well, it happened - Jerry, Bob, and Vince just sang the Star Spangled
    Banner.  According to my friend, Lee, they remembered all the words and
    sounded just fine. :-)
    
    

    I listened to it on my tinny little clock radio and it didn't sound
    half bad!  Lots of harmony and they did get the words right.  The crowd
    noise was intense, though, so it was a little hard to hear.  My young
    one called after seeing it on the Sports Channel and said that it came
    across better there.
    
    
    -jer
    

    
    
    All the local news stations in the Boston area had a short clip...Jerry
    was wearing a Giants coat, Bobby had on his traditional Purple shirt.
    and yes, they did sound fine..!
    
    Don

    I saw it a few times now and the boys had on their monitor ear thingys,
    listening to BCN this morning they stated this....I went to a Ball game
    and a concert broke out ! :')
    
    yes they sounded very good, now whos got the tape ?

    CNN Headline played some of it this morning, in the end of program
    'kicker'. They may still be playing it. They often rotate through 2 or
    3 of these throughout the day. You could check at xx:25 and xx:55.
    
    gary

    
    MENDOCINO, Calif. (AP) _ Grateful Dead drummer Bill Kreutzmann came to
    the rescue of a surfer and got caught in a riptide. The 46-year-old
    musician was kayaking on Wednesday when he noticed the 17-year-old
    struggling in the turbulent ocean. He paddled over to John Paid and let
    him grab hold. But Paid had to swim to shore on his own as the rough
    waters tossed the kayak into the rocks. Onlookers at a hotel called
    fire department rescuers, who lowered ropes down the 50-foot cliff to
    the stranded pair. Neither man was hurt.
    

    
    The Grateful Dead is helping pay for a liver transplant for poster
    artist Mouse,creator of the band's skull-and-roses logo.
     Mouse,whose real name is Stanley Miller,underwent surgery on Sunday
    at California Pacific Medical Center,band spokesman Dennis McNally
    said Wednesday.The Hospital said he is expected to make a full
    recovery. 
     Mouse,52 had no money or insurance,so the band decided to pay half
    the estimated $350,000 cost of the transplant,McNally said.
     Other individuals have pledged a total of $15,000,the San Francisco
    Chronicle reported Wednesday.

    Hey! I know this guy! I wear his belt buckles :^)

    Belt buckles?  Sure you're not thinking of Owlsey?  He sells these at
    dead shows.  Haven't heard about Mouse doing the, but I suppose it's
    possible.
    
    PeterT
    

    ...a skull & roses of pewter (my fav type of metal {it seems so soft &
    chewwwy {^:
    
    TM GD productions, copyright Kelly & Mouse GDP 1978. serial #L-200.
    
    made in USA (pronounced ooosa :^)
    
    Andy

This puts the topic title in a whole new light...  :-)

   Los Angeles Times, April 28, 1993:

   A Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled Monday that 25 anatomically
   precise statues of rock star penises are the property of Cynthia
   Plaster Caster, the legendary Chicago groupie artist who created the
   works in the late 1960s and early '70s.  Plaster Caster filed a lawsuit
   19 months ago to recover the two dozen casts--which include phallic
   replicas of guitar hero Jimi Hendrix and Broadway singer and songwriter
   Anthony Newly--from Los Angeles entrepreneur Herb Cohen, who had
   refused to return them for more than 20 years.

    i think Mouse lived in Telluride when the dead played there...remember
    seeing his stuff in a shop there and reading an article in the local
    rag around that timeframe
    
    rfb

> from Los Angeles entrepreneur Herb Cohen, who had
>  refused to return them for more than 20 years.

Geez, what a dick-head...

:-)

Dave (couldn't resist!)

HAH!!!

   From the 10 June 93 Tempo section of the Chicago Tribune....

I don't have the whole article, here's some highlights:

   [Garcia on success]:  I feel like we've been getting away with something
   ever since there were more people in the audience than there were on
   stage.  The first time people didn't leave after the first three tunes, I
   felt like we were getting away with something. We've been falling uphill
   for 27 years. I don't know why. I have no idea.  All I know is it's
   endlessly fascinating and incredible luck probably has a lot to [do]
   with it."

   [Garcia on Drums/Space]: "That's something we do for fun.  We're going
   to keep on doing it to have a part of the show absolutely unstructured
   and not attached to anything. If people don't like it, so what? There
   are times I hate it, too. There are times when it goes nowehere.  But I
   don't care. That's not the point. The point is that is doesn't have a
   point."

Luck?

I don't think so, Jer ....

    From the June 20 93 Joel Selvin column in the S.F. Chronicle:
    
    ...curently in production is the second joint venture by mandolin
    maestro David Grisman and his longtime musical associate, guitarist
    Jerry Garcia, who are cutting an album of children's songs to be titled
    'Not for Kids Only,' slated for September release on Grisman's Acoustic
    Disk label.  "You haven't lived," Grisman said, "until you've heard
    Jerry sing 'Teddy Bears's Picnic., '".
    
    -jer
    

    from the Washington Post Style section under the headline: "The Dead
    Mystique, Alive & Pulsing". One is sort of a JG profile, but done in an
    interesting, sometimes funny and perhaps even informed style  which
    gave me some new insights into the man:
   
    "...he walks around the P&C Art gallery in Georgetown with the aimless
    urgency of a man who has gotten separated from his wife in a department
    store. He sends out smiles and wisecracks as if he's testing a sound
    system, seeing what bounces back. Friendly? Not friendly? Cool? Not
    cool? He walks past the 40 or so prints, drawings and paintings of his
    that are on sale. It's hard to tell if he sees them or if he's just
    going through the motions of checking them out."
   
    "...He looks like he grew up in the kind of tough San Francisco
    neighborhood where it's hard if you're smart. He looks like the
    landlord you always swore you'd be if you owned the place. He looks
    gentle. He looks like he has the ability to take infinite risks, the
    sort of knack that comes from spending a lot of your youth with nothing
    to lose."
   
    The story ends with the (could it be?) almost-positive-on-drug-use
    phrase:
   
    "...Meanwhile, the sun is setting on Happy Valley, the band is running
    sound checks that echo off the mountains. Test. Test. The people
    gather. The people get high. It all has a sense of possibility."
   
    The companion story is about deaf Deadheads attending the RFK shows and
    their ability to experience the music and dance via the vibrations as
    well as by watching the pulsing of the crowd. It's a powerfully written
    piece:
   
    "...A friend had suggested she go to a Dead concert. 'But I'm deaf!'
    Cooke said. The friend told her, 'The Grateful Dead is different. It
    gets into your bones.' Cook, barefoot, sways in a gauze skirt and
    signs, 'The music is through my feet, up my body, to the sky."
   
    "...the music melts into guitar-tripping and a cosmic drum interlude,
    dense reverberating rhythms that play your rib cage like a xylophone.
    The audience is stiller now. In the deaf zone, there's less signing,
    more staring at kaleidoscopic patterns on the huge stage screens.
    Raindrops touch their arms and brows. They lie down on the grass, soft
    and cool, and feel the earth shake."
   
    There is a third, tiny story mostly about Sting, which is notable only
    for  a classic song-name-screwup in the paragraph about the GD sets: 
    "Stolen Rain".  All I can figure is that the poor guy means Bird Song
    ;-)

    $13K over five years is assinine.  That's less than $3K/year, or a few
    large business dinners (or just one corporate visit) per year.  Talk about 
    blowing things out of proportion.
    
    What a stupid thing to make such a big deal about.
    
    tim
    

    Tim,
    
      What price do you put on ethics?  
    
    Marv
    

And if it was a congressmen or a senator what would you say?

Lighten up, guys.  Entertaining potential customers is standard
procedure for sales.  $13K over five years for a major customer
is trivial.  I would expect that the state of New York (or any
state government) would count as a major customer.

There was a major thrust in the late 80's to capture the State,
Municipal and local government - or at least there was in Florida.

I don't believe that the simple expenditure of $13K over five
years for entertaining state decision makers is, in and of 
itself, a question of ethics, except perhaps for the individual
who takes that information, out of context, and releases it to
the media to attract attention.  That's more questionable to me
than spending a few grand on entertainment.

Assume three or four sales reps handling up to a dozen state
officials.  Half of them go to Maynard for a three day corporate
visit, because they're thinking of buying, say, a VAX 9000.
That's a $2-$3 MILLION sale.

Airfare, hotel rooms, meals and entertainment for eight people
over three days is several grand.  Hell, it's $1K per night
for eight people, for the Westford Regency alone.

See what I mean?

tim

	What a grate way to get a contract...must've been a hot show!

	I'd gladly give 13k today, for a 10 million tomorrow!

...so can you tell I just did my DECUS expense report? 

:-)

tim

    
    Hey folks,
      didn't enter the note to start a debate regarding business practices
    governing ethics.  I just thought it was different to be springing for
    Dead tickets.  Actually,  i tried to set it hidden pending the original
    noters approval for cross-posting.  Don't know what I did wrong. 
    
    	Peace,
    	Mark

Sorry, Mark.

My fault for being grumpy....

tim

    so THATS how the note got set hidden!!!  :^)
    
    your friendly neighborhood moderators have been wondering about that
    one all afternoon! :^) :^) :^)
    
    in a situation like that, the best thing to do is NOT post until you
    have required permission...  posting, setting hidden, and then getting
    permission just arouses lots of curiosity...  the mods set un unhidden 
    after looking it over and seeing nothing that was contrary to DEC
    policy...  since the original source was a new article it was deeemed
    "ok"...
    
    kudos to you for going after the original posters permission...  that's
    more than what most folks do!  
    
    					da ve_yer_freindly_neighborhood_mod

    fwiw, i agree with the sentiments Tim expressed...  sounds more like 
    normal business practices...  a little entertainment is no biggie...
    hard to get upset about it without seeing a detailed list of the
    "questionable" stuff...
    
    					da ve

Mark, Ya didn't do anything wrong. Only setting the note hidden made all
the moderators think that another moderator set the note hidden, so,
barring any fess-up from this alleged non-existant moderator, the note was
set unhidden by the moderators, since the moderators couldn't find anything
wrong with it (AP is a legitimate enough source that you don't need the
authors permisson to repost). Logical, flawlessly loigical, Jim.  :-0

I guess what we can learn from this (if we can understand it) is that you 
shouldn't set your own notes hidden, since it confuses the hell out of the 
moderators. :-)  I reccomend deleting your note and then reposting rather 
than using the set hidden command if you aren't sure. Most of the most 
active members here are moderators anyway. We now return you to your 
regularly scheduled digression...

    
    I probably should've deleted the note, but didn't figuring I get
    permission sooner, then I got pretty busy.   Thanks for the info
    on the type of source not requiring permission.
    
    	Mark

Hey Tim,

I just wanted to add some food for thought as did Marv I would bet.

bob

ps.  I do believe when you add in the word FED you *will* get a different
set of "proper behaviour". 

While this is certainly within the norms for entertaining accounts in
private industry, the federal government and most states have laws that
forbid accepting anything like that.  When I was in the Air Force I wasn't
even allowed to let my DEC rep take us to lunch.  He never offered Dead
tickets, though ;-); that would have been a lot harder to turn down!

DougO

    There is a story out of Long Island about a guy who could be a serial
    killer, and the cops stopped him and found a body in a pick up truck,
    as they were showing the crime scene in New York, the truck had 
    a Grateful Dead sticker on the windshield. Did anyone else catch that?
    Did it make the news?

    
    It's all over the news down here.  He's confessed to killing something
    like 17 women, all supposedly prostitutes.
    
    

    Completely unrelated, but yesterday I saw something on the toob about
    Lyle Lovett marrying Julia Roberts.  Some anonymous person was quoted
    as saying that this gives hope to all the ugly men in America.
    
    It cracked me up.
    
    tim
    

What about Billy Joel and Christie Brinkley?  ;^)

- dc

Just goes to show, alls ya really need to snag yourself a nice lookin' 
babe is a guitar and the chords to Friend of The Devil... 

:-)   :-)   :-)

    DC.  Good point.  Hadn't thought about those two...;-)
    
    tim
    

	
	re- Lyle Lovett

	hummmm, maybe there is hope afterall!

    Just don't let it go to yer head! ;-)
    
    tim
    

>    as they were showing the crime scene in New York, the truck had 
>    a Grateful Dead sticker on the windshield. Did anyone else catch that?
    
    That means we're all murderers, right?
    
    dave

The new Best of Guitar Player magazine is completely DEADicated to the
Grateful Dead.

A nice long interview with Bob & Jerry.  One with Mickey.  An old Phil
Lesh number.  Lots of interesting techno-weenie stuff about the instruments
and sound system.

Very good issue...check it out!

	dave

    Jerry is on the cover of the Rolling Stone (so how many sang the
    melody ?) :')
    
    also a very good interview with Jerry in this issue (Sept 2nd)
    
    Chris
    
    (came in the mail yesterday, so its not on the newsstands yet I'd
    guess)

> Jerry is on the cover of the Rolling Stone 

Twice in 12 months:  He must be famous! 

;-)

    There is a relatively long article in today's Boston Herald about the
    Dead being in town and Jerry's line of neckties.  There is also a photo
    of Jerry with Whoppie Goldberg leaning on his shoulder.  Whoppie is
    wearing a *gasp* colorful jersey from the new JERRY GARCIA WOMEN's WEAR
    line of clothing!  Jerry is wearing a black shirt and *gasp*, *gasp*,
    one of his ties!
    
    Marv
     

Anyone know where they're selling Garcia Women's Wear?  With my wife's 
birthday coming up and me being as usual, unable to think of anything
(and she's no help with suggestions usually!) this might be an
idea.

Thanks,
PeterT

    Please see Note 65.13
    
    Thanks
    Donato

    
    
    Jerry Garcia Women's Wear!!!!!??????   
    
    is this true?  Black Tee's and sweats for everyone?
    
      

    yabut..
     where do they put the steal-yer-face on the crotchless panties????
    
    
    %^)
    
    mods---delete if this offends anyone

    
    Yabut
    
    
     Randy would you really be looking for a steal-yer-face on crotchless
    panties? Or are these for you, if so  I'll let Patty know what you
    want for chirstmas!
    
     . .
      ,
    \___/
    
    Divide Dave
    again mods---delete if this offends anyone