Conference mr1pst::music

    
    yeah, this "new" trend is everywhere...the group you mentioned is
    PM Dawn..and believe it or not, this is a huge hit, especially in the
    clubs....KLH comes to mind also, and they brag about the fact that
    their music is chock full of sampling....another fad here to stay for a 
    while.....
    
    mac
    

    As a musician , I initially didn't like this trend, after giving it
    some thought, I tend to think "What the H*ll ? why not ? " as long as
    you have the original , why not do variations on a theme ? Its like
    people that don't like colorized films, You don't like the new ones ?
     them stay with the old ones. Variety. There's a market for this music
     so relax and chill out. NO ! It's got to be 100% original ! blah !
     Then why do cover versions of older songs ? Why even play heavy metal
     that uses the same 3 chord tried and true formulas ? Why even play
    music knowing that the musician has subconciously (sp?) borrowed from
     his/her influences ? Your comments remind me of Dana Carvey's old man
     character on Saturday Night Live that say's " When we used to do it ,
     it was hard and painful, AND WE LIKED IT !!! There are plenty of "new"
     groups and songs, granted you have to sift through alot of unique
    stuff to find what you might like, but don't waste time slagging off
     a group/genre'/music style that you don't like. Why don't you take
     that same energy and create something yourself ? At very least the
     style in question attemps to create something unique, not totally
     original, but unique non the less. Variety beats the alternatives.

    Guys,this "new"trend you refer to has been here for awhile during
    '91 and this year was therefore widely known as the re-cycle year.
    That trend(in Europe atleast)is already fading and emerging from 
    that fact because the public is tired of sampling,the big NEW
    trend for '92 will be "Origin",so sampling from others is out.
    
    PM Dawn is a Euro guy who asked Spandau ballet to use the guitar
    riddle from"True"first before he put it on the market.The cut is
    called"Set adrift on memory bliss".It was meant as a homage to 
    the"True" song.The Spandau guys were honnoured because the end
    product was/is a well cared for piece of music and therefore 
    a justifiable hit during the summer of '91.
    
    PM Dawn's new record is called Paperdoll and with this one he too
    is into the new trend called "Origin".(attleast in Europe)
    
    The"Origin"trend started early fall and the bands setting the trend
    are(my view)
    
    Brand new Heavies(new track out called"Stay this way")
    Tyrell Corporation(new track out called"6 O'clock")
    Yo Yo Honey(a Paul Oakenfold remix of(sh** forgot the title)
    and yup,KLF:justified&ancient with county singer Tammy Whynette(how
    about that for band who used to use an overload of samples,typical huh?
    
    Jan. aka the T-BIRD ;^)))))))) 

    That trend is out in Europe ! 
     so what , should we all get into the newest, latest and greatest..?
     naaaaaa
    
     I see the sampling/borrowing as another option for a composer/musician
     to use. Trends come and go but music is eternal.
    
     Oh yeah   set flame/low=JMHO    8*)

    re-1tid-bit
    Hey,I merely pointout that a trend is loosing public's interest thats all.
    I know what ya-mean!!!
    What have U! been eating this morning!? 
    [lock]
    
    
    Another fine example of new music I forgot to note is the one made by
    Prince:Diamonds&Pearls( I wished a longer RE-mix of this cut hit the
    streets)
    
    Jan.
    

    It seems to me that only a fraction of the music we listen to is
    outwardly recycled (i.e. sampled); most artists seem to be more in
    subtle in their recycling. While the possible combinations of music are
    infinite, the practical limitations of "working within the norm"
    dictate that virtually everything "new" is actually derived from
    something "old".
    
    I have nothing against sampling in general, although I think some
    artists who use it do so in a pretty unimaginitive way. As I've said on
    other occassions, I can also think of some true musical pioneers who've
    made heavy use of sampling (Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush come
    immediately to mind).
    
    As far as using sampling to piece together a song from existing song
    pieces, it's not as simple as it looks. I've actually done this on a
    couple of occassions, and it's pretty difficult to keep the quilt
    together rhythmicly. On one piece I wrote, I use the drums from "When
    the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin, sped up and heavily processed, to
    form an African sounding backdrop for an instrumental piece. It took me
    days of work to get it right. By doing this, I learned a certain
    respect for some sampling users. In other words, I don't dismiss the
    use of "quilting" techniques as "unimaginitive". I see sampling as a
    technical skill that stands apart from more traditional instrumental or
    songwriting disciplines.
    
    Brian

    re .3
    
    Are you actually saying that NOT samplingis considered a trend in
    Europe?--kind of a statement in itself!
    
    I've always have a hard time respecting someone who gets a hit mainly
    because the song they sampled was a hit.  I, too long for originality
    and see sampling as just a symptom of the copycat disease that has
    pervaded popular music over the past 5-10 years.  Seems like everyone
    wants to sound like Zepplin or George Clinton or the Stones or James
    Brown or Aretha.  
    
    But some samplers do it well.  I consider PM Dawn one of them.  And
    they make a point of giving credit where credit is due.
    
    

    .8
    <<Are you actually saying that NOT sampling is considered a trend in
    Europe?--kind of a statement in itself!>>
    
    If I'm right what you mean here is that sampling itself would not fit 
    in the trend?? No thats not it,Sampling is HOT and is still going to be
    used within that new"original"concept we have named "Origin".The music
    or lyric which is to be used as a sample is of original make.
    
    For ex(sample) a band we have not heard of in awhile is SNAP(from
    Germany)They have a new one out called "Colour of love".The "Smoove
    mix" version is just an amazing piece of good work,therfore my tune 
    of the year and trend-setter for '92.
    
    Jan.

	In addition to a very small number of truly new phenomena, every
	world and every era contains an incalculably large number of
	repetitions, modifications, and paradoxes.
 

    A Tribe Called Quest did more with their samples from "Walk on the Wild
    Side" (recorded) than Chuck Berry's done with his samples from "Mary
    Had a Little Lamb" (played).
    
    Ray

Just caught a honking sax solo by Jimmy Forrest (author of "Night Train")
which started with a quote from "Greensleeves" sequeued into a quote from 
"Country Gardens" with a little bit of "Yankee Doodle" in the next chorus, 
multiple samples (played) all hot.

How about all those people who stole the Bo Diddley beat and never even
stopped to wonder who Bo stole it from.

    A lost of what I'm finding real intersting as of late is some of the
    modern folk music.  No sampling, no paste-on nipple twisters, or folks
    that file their teeth down, just a real honest approach to music.  I think
    there's something to be said for someone who can sit down with an old 
    flattop and captivate a good size crowd without the smoke, lazers, and
    345 pounds of effects.
    
    FWIW

    I just got a sampler CD last night and upon listening noticed that
    about 75% of the stuff sounded like:
    
    1. U2
    2. Indigo Girls
    3. melodic garage ala Flamin' Groovies
    4. some combination of the above
    
    Re: .13
    
    I've been following the modern "folk" school for awhile and even that
    is getting ridiculous.  Lotsa Suzanne Vega wannabes out there ya know!
    If I hear one more acoustic guitar run through a chorus unit I'm gonna
    scream....
    
    							Brian

    re.-1 here here!!
     
    Niall