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Conference mr1pst::music

Title:MUSIC V4
Notice:New Noters please read Note 1.*, Mod = someone else
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Wed Oct 09 1991
Last Modified:Tue Mar 12 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:762
Total number of notes:18706

600.0. "MUSIC - Legal/Tax/Business topics" by TPSYS::LAING (Soft-Core Cuddler * TAY1-2/H9 * 227-4472) Mon Jan 24 1994 18:59

    While I'm at it (note 599), I thought it might be interesting to have a
    discussion of the "legal/tax/business" aspects of music.  I believe
    there is already a note on copyright issues.... so maybe this note
    could be about things like
    	claiming music as your 2nd or "part time" business
    	what can be written off / dedicted on taxes (I realize that
    		strictly tax advice is probably not a good idea in NOTES)
    	ideas on how people have managed this second business successfully
    	"watch-outs" 
    	etc.
    
    How 'bout it?
    
    	Jim
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600.1See A ProfessionalTECRUS::ROSTFuzzbox VoodooTue Jan 25 1994 11:2147
    The best idea is to find a professional to do your taxes!  
    
    Some of the things I was told by my tax preparer that I could do:
    
    1. Depreciation of equipment over five or ten years.  This assumes that
    the value is zero at the end of that period.  But: if you sell it at
    any time for *more* than the depreciated value, you are expected to pay
    tax on that "profit".  Make sure when you get rid of stuff you give it
    away for free! 8^)  8^)  BTW, the gear need not have been bought that
    year.  The first year I filed I started depreciating *every* pice of
    gear I owned based on the current appraised value. 
    
    2. You can deduct mileage on your car for traveling to gigs,
    rehearsals, etc.  You need to keep a mileage log.  You can also claim
    tolls and do not need receipts for them.
    
    3. All expenses like guitar strings, cords, maintenance, etc. are
    deductible.  Also things like tapes, CDs are deductible although this
    is an area ripe for some stretching  8^)  (i.e. you claim every CD you
    buy is so you can learn a song off it).  If you take music lessons, you
    can claim the cost of them, too.
    
    For part-timers (like most of us in here), the issue is whether this is
    a "business" (makes money) or "hobby" (loses money).  The "rule of
    thumb" is that if you can't show a profit in a certain period of time,
    it's not a business.  My tax person says this is almost impossible for
    the IRS to prove for musicians because we never make any money anyway 
    8^), but it is something to think about.
    
    So far I've been losing money as far as the IRS is concerned (good
    thing I have my day job!), but it actually has saved me money on my
    taxes by claiming my music income because it allowed me to take massive
    deductions.  Of course, once you depreciate all your gear, a major
    deduction goes away.  The answer: buy more gear!  Yep, Uncle Sam will
    subsidize your purchase.  
    
    One down side: if you are worried about insuring your stuff as a
    non-professional, filing with the IRS is not gonna be ignored by your
    insurance company when you have to make a claim!
    
    The person who does my taxes was recommended by another musician who
    had heard of her from another musician, etc.  The advantage is
    that she is used to the sort of deductions available, and she saved me
    a lot of money by suggesting some things I would never have thought
    about.  
    
    							Brian
600.2A word (OK, two) of caution...MSBCS::ASHFORTHTue Jan 25 1994 11:4925
Brian's advice to see a professional is good, but be aware that most professional
tax preparers will not have any experience with tax law as it pertains to the
arts as business. I'd suggest that you try to find someone *with* this
experience before proceeding.

There are whole sections of the tax law which deal entirely with art as business,
though I've not delved into them greatly. For instance, it looks to me as if
writers can write off (sorry!) what seems like most of their living expenses
when they're "researching" a new novel. Also, there are aspects of the law
which deal with the valuation and capital gains tax on artistic works in
progress. If you're serious about treating your music as a business, looking into
the relevant tax code *carefully* with professional advice might pay off
handsomely.

FWIW:
The standard rule for profitability is that a business must show an operating
profit in three out of five years. While this is only a guide, not a
hard-and-fast rule, be prepared to make a case for why you expect to make money
if you're not doing so. I've been through an audit for another business which
can be viewed as hobby or business, and while the auditor was pleasant and
professional, recall that they *are* there to ensure that what you put on your
tax return is a fair representation of the truth. (Read: they will *not* grin
and wink if you're obviously cheating, nor should they.)

Bob
600.3USPMLO::DESROCHERSTue Jan 25 1994 12:268
    
    	I agree with Brian's note 100%.  I've done the same over the
    	last several years.  If anyone's interested, call Virginia
    	at Everett Associates in Marlboro at (508) 481-7587.  They're
    	on Hosmer St. right off Rt 20.  
    
    	Tom
    
600.4deduct for practice space...ROCKER::KNOXRock'n'Roll RefugeeMon Jan 31 1994 19:587
Don't forget about deducting for practice space ....

If you hold rehearsal on your premises, you can deduct the floor-space used.
If you rent rehearsal space, you can deduct the rental amount.

/Billy_K
600.5Careful with that Tax Eugene!DREGS::BLICKSTEINdbMon Jan 31 1994 21:399
    > If you hold rehearsal on your premises, you can deduct the floor-space
    > used.
    
    Ummm... be careful about this one.
    
    I suspect it was done away this year by the same act that eliminated
    the home-office deduction.
    
    	db
600.6I hope not... butROCKER::KNOXRock'n'Roll RefugeeTue Feb 01 1994 15:597
db,

I'll find out for sure when I see my accountant this week. I sure hope that 
practice space is still deductable (between this, mileage and depreciating
equipment, I can write off most of my reported gigs)...

/Billy_K
600.7DREGS::BLICKSTEINdbTue Feb 01 1994 16:014
    He might say "no changes" without considering whether or not the "home
    office" changes apply.   Thus, I'd mention that to him.
    
    	db