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Conference mr1pst::music

Title:MUSIC V4
Notice:New Noters please read Note 1.*, Mod = someone else
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Wed Oct 09 1991
Last Modified:Tue Mar 12 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:762
Total number of notes:18706

557.0. "Gentle Giant (on CD?)" by ILLUSN::SORNSON (Are all your pets called 'Eric'?) Thu Nov 18 1993 17:44

    Are there any Gentle Giant fans out there?  I have the following albums
    of theirs on CD  (as well as on vinyl):
    
    			Gentle Giant
    			Acquiring the Taste
    			Three Friends
    			Octopus
    			Power and the Glory
    			Free Hand
    			In a Glass House
    
    Are there any others available?  (In a Glass House was an import I
    stumbled across in a Tower Records in New Jersey.)  I thought a record
    store clerk once told me Playing The Fool was available as an import,
    but a local 'esoteric CD shop' didn't have it listed when I stopped
    by the other day.
    
    							-mark s.
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557.1Was that 13 against 5 ?NWD002::TUTAK_PERickenbackerhackerThu Nov 18 1993 20:3528
    
    Long one of my favorite bands. I've got just about everything from the
    first album (w/I Lost My Head, etc.) through 'The Missing Piece' on
    tape. My faves were about the middle 6 recordings: Glass House,
    Acquiring the Taste, Octopus, Free Hand, Power & Glory, and
    Live-Playing the Fool. 
    
    The live release they put out really brought out the fact that they
    could replicate all the intricacies of their studio work on stage, and 
    crunch it as well (like on 'Just the Same' and a blistering medley 
    of 'Peel the Paint'/'I Lost My Head'). Didn't much care for 'Civilian' 
    and 'Giant for a Day'. 
    
    I saw them twice, once as an opening act for the Mahavishnu Orchestra
    (incredible double bill, that one) at the Felt Forum in NYC around '72,
    and as a headliner at one of the Schaefer open-air shows in Central
    Park (Starcastle opened) in '74. I was immensely pleased both times. Some 
    really fine musicianship. 
    
    I think Playing the Fool, Octopus and Power and the Glory have been
    released on CD. This and some other stuff is in Note 412.* of
    WANLAD::UK_MUSIC is a GG topic as well.
    
    I miss these guys. 
    
    Peter
    
    
557.2STAR::BENSONMusical Weapons ResearchFri Nov 19 1993 16:2110
    One not mentioned yet: "Interview," from around the same time as Free
    Hand.  No idea if it's on CD, which I guess was the real question...
    Glass House, Three Friends, and The Power and the Glory are by
    far my favorites.  I don't have any on CD yet, sigh. I recently read
    a rumor on the net about possible re-mastering by one of the band
    members, and re-release. Who knows.
    
    Long term goal: To get the band I'm in to play a GG tune, eventually...
    
    Tom
557.3NWD002::TUTAK_PERickenbackerhackerFri Nov 19 1993 16:448
    
    I forgot about this one. I had 'Interview' on vinyl, and for some reason, 
    I didn't care for it much. Maybe it merits some re-investigation.
    
    Has anyone ever seen any GG live boots around ?
     
    Peter
    
557.4STAR::BENSONMusical Weapons ResearchFri Nov 19 1993 17:10121
557.5ILLUSN::SORNSONAre all your pets called 'Eric'?Fri Nov 19 1993 17:1318
    re .3 (NWD002::TUTAK_PE)
    
>    I forgot about this one. I had 'Interview' on vinyl, and for some reason, 
>    I didn't care for it much. Maybe it merits some re-investigation.
    
    	I don't much care for Interview (as much as Octopus and the like),
    either; but I'd snap it up nonetheless if I found it.
    
>    Has anyone ever seen any GG live boots around ?
    
    	Someone who used to work in my group (now an ex-DECcie) once loaned
    me a VIDEO TAPE of Gentile Giant (some kind of public television
    program from quite a few years ago -- perhaps a US broadcast of a UK
    program).
    
    	The tape quality was rather poor, but it was enjoyable nontheless.
    Unfortunately I don't remember what was on it.  (This person may be on
    the internet; if he is, I could ask.)
557.6forgotten vinylILLUSN::SORNSONAre all your pets called 'Eric'?Fri Nov 19 1993 17:3021
    Speaking of vinyl ...
    
    I can remember coming across a couple of albums before becoming as 
    gung-ho for GG as I am now, but because I didn't buy them, I don't
    remember them very clearly.
    
    One was a single-LP with a pair of large, red-and-white striped boots
    on the cover.  Was this a "best of" collection.  [I'm pretty sure it
    was in import.  This was in the late 70's.]
    
    Not long before "The Missing Piece" came out [which was one of the
    second or third GG LP I bought], there was a double LP (NOT Playing the
    Fool, which I have) that had a mostly bare cover (orangey-brown, I
    think) with a single, small photograph of one (or more) of the band 
    members on the front cover (or was it the back cover?).  Since I
    thought it might have been a collection, I didn't buy it; but I now
    wonder what it was to this day.  [Any one from NJ remember "Peaches"
    records?  When they first opened, they had everything.]
    
    
    							-mark.
557.7NWD002::TUTAK_PERickenbackerhackerTue Nov 23 1993 15:1614
    
    The single LP with the red-and-white striped boots was a 'Best Of'
    collection, but the red-and-white striped boots were red-and-white
    striped socks over a pair of woman's legs. I know--didn't have your
    glasses on that day, right ? Can't remember the name, though. I've seen
    it recently.
    
    The only 'orangey-brown' double album cover I can think of would be
    'Live-Playing the Fool'. It's kind of orangey-brown, I guess.
    
    Other than that, I'm stumped.
    
    Peter
    
557.8DNEAST::GOULD_RYANThu Dec 02 1993 12:567
    
    
     I saw Gentle Giant live back in '72 (I think). They were the opening
    act (Ten Years After was the "main attraction"). GG was *excellent*
    and for my money was far and away better than TYA.
    
     RG
557.9more GG CDs (plus newsletter info)ILLUSN::SORNSONAre all your pets called 'Eric'?Mon Dec 06 1993 20:3141
557.10p.s.ILLUSN::SORNSONAre all your pets called 'Eric'?Mon Dec 06 1993 20:4224
    re .9 by me
    
>    			David Armas
>    			3730 Stockbridge Avenue
>    			Los Angeles, California  90032
>    			USA
    
    I dialed information for LA and asked for David Armas' phone number,
    and was told there was no listing at this address.  It doesn't mean
    that it isn't valid; but I couldn't call and confirm it.  The copyright
    on the back of the CD is dated 1993, and assigned to Terrapin Trucking
    Co.
    
    	The address for Road Goes On Forever is:
    
    			Unit B. 9d Park Road
    			Crouch End, London N8 8TE
    			Telephone: 081 340 4158
    
    If anyone is interested, I'll type in the liner notes (as time
    permits).
    
    
    								-mark.
557.11liner notes please!SSDEVO::KRAUSETue Dec 07 1993 13:4110
    re .10

>    If anyone is interested, I'll type in the liner notes (as time
>    permits).
    
  I am very interested!

Thanks,

Arthur
557.12Liner notes: "The Missing Piece" CDILLUSN::SORNSONAre all your pets called 'Eric'?Tue Dec 28 1993 19:13100
                 Liner Notes from "The Missing Piece" CD
                 =======================================


        If the years 1974 to 1976 had been a vindication of Gentle Giant's
    dogged determination to be accepted on their own terms, the period
    which followed was to be something of an anti-climax, as the band
    suffered mixed fortunes in a changing marketplace.  For a number of
    reasons, "Playing The Fool", a double album of live material recorded
    on their 1976 European tour and released eight months before "The
    Missing Piece", proved to be a turning point in the band's history.

        Giant acquired a sizeable European following quite early in their
    career, the Italians, Swiss and Germans proving particularly
    enthusiastic.  The breakthrough in the States had come in 1974's "The
    Power And The Glory", and although British listeners remained largely
    unimpressed, by 1976 the band were beginning to enjoy the rewards of
    six years of hard work.  "Playing The Fool" appeared in January 1977,
    when the British music scene was in upheaval with the advent of Punk
    Rock and the so-called New Wave.  What little recognition the group had
    gained at home was cruelly swept aside by fashion, and the musical
    skills which were the cornerstones of Giant's musical philosophy were
    suddenly despised.

      Bassist Ray Shulman remembers taking stock:  "It was a kick in the
    teeth, but also a jolt to stop complacency -- it was a general shake-up
    for everybody, really.  With the pressure to become more commercially
    viable on the one hand, and the fact that we had a very loyal audience
    on the other, we were in a dilemma ..."  Chrysalis, who had seen the
    band do very well, especially in America, over the previous eighteen
    months, now viewed Giant's commerical prospects rather less
    optimistically.  "They could still rely on us to recoup our advances,
    to sell a reasonable number of records in all territories-- we'd
    become a pretty reliable act, but it was getting no bigger."

      The impact of the new music was less marked on the Continent, and in
    the States, at least for a time, its effect was negligible.  Not
    surprisingly, Giant were persuaded to concentrate on the European and
    American markets, and apart from an appearance on the BBC's 'Sight And
    Sound' (a simultaneous broadcast on TV and radio) in January 1978, the
    band never took to a British stage again.  They inclined towards a more
    direct style, making a conscious effort to inject more energy into their
    output, and with an eye on contemporaries like Genesis, adopted a less
    complex, more commercial sound.

        Classically-trained keyboardist Kerry Minnear looks back on this
    period of Giant's developmebnt with mixed feelings:  "At this stage,
    certainly, one or two members of the band were becoming frustrated by
    the straitjacket we'd made for ourselves ... Because of the nature of
    what we were, we felt obligated to play quite experimental music all
    the time.  Ray was getting quite heavily into Punk because it was just
    a total burst of energy and enthusiasm, and I think that appealed to
    him because it was so completely different to what we were.  I confess
    I was a bit nonplussed by some of the things that were going on in the
    band ... Personally, I had much less enthusiasm for breaking free of
    these restrictions we'd placed on ourselves."

        Another factor also influenced this shift to a more straightforward
    style.  Until now, Giant had taken new material out on the road only
    after it had been recorded.  There was a feeling in the group that a
    different approach might bring a new vitality to the music, and several
    of the numbers included here were played live before being taken into
    the studio.  Different arrangements were tried in concert, and those
    which worked best on stage were used when the songs were finally
    recorded, bringing a more concise feel to the end product.

        Although transitional in nature, "The Missing Piece" boasts several
    numbers equal to anything the band released on earlier albums.  "As Old
    As You're Young" is a charming example of Kerry Minnear's medieval
    minstrelsy, and "I'm Turning Around" is a powerful ballad which
    deserved a better reception than it received when issued as the first
    of two singles lifted from the album.  "Memories Of Old Days" is a
    finely-crafted atmospheric song graced by Gary Green's delicate
    acoustic guitar work, and "Two Weeks In Spain", the second of those
    unsuccessful single releases, is an excellent straightforward rocker. 
    Despite the quality of the material, "The Missing Piece" was not a
    commercial success.  It was their last US chart album, and die-hard
    Gentle Giant fans generally seemed reluctant to accept the change of
    dynamic it offered.

        Ray Shulman remains philosophical about the choices that were made:
    "Perhaps we should have carried on being ourselves and resisted advice
    from anyone else, just seen what happened.  Maybe if we'd reconciled
    ourselves to a small, loyal audience we could've stayed more
    experimental, but you can't turn back the clock, and I think that what
    we went on to do was still interesting, still very good ... From the
    outset, all the different changes in Giant happened for a reason, and
    every album reflected the mood of the band at the time."

        "The Missing Piece", available now for the first time on CD along
    with Gentle Giant's four other Chrysalis-period studio albums, remains
    a fine collection.  If anything, the range of music it includes
    emphasises more than ever the versatility of the band.  Its relatively
    poor sales say more about the changes taking place in the music scene
    at the time than they do about the album itself, and all the excitement
    of Gentle Giant's unique chemistry is here to enjoy.

                                                        Alan Kinsman.

    Many thanks for their assistance to Kerry Minnear and Ray Schulman.
557.13ILLUSN::SORNSONAre all your pets called 'Eric'?Tue Dec 28 1993 19:1515
    
>        "The Missing Piece", available now for the first time on CD along
>    with Gentle Giant's four other Chrysalis-period studio albums, remains
>    a fine collection.  If anything, the range of music it includes
>    emphasises more than ever the versatility of the band.  Its relatively
>    poor sales say more about the changes taking place in the music scene
>    at the time than they do about the album itself, and all the excitement
>    of Gentle Giant's unique chemistry is here to enjoy.
    
    	Just a question:  what are the "four other Chrysalis-period studio
    albums"?  I thought there were only 3 altogether:
    
    		The Missing Piece
    		Giant For A Day
    		Citizen
557.14ySTRATA::LUCHTIs it a passion or just a profession?Thu Apr 20 1995 08:0511
    Picked up "Free Hand" and "Octopus" as Strawberries in 
    Leominster, MA last week.  They seem to have some of the
    CD's mentioned in the previous replies if anyone's looking.
    
    "Free Hand" is my absolute favorite out of all GG albums.
    This band was absolutely amazing; the scope of music incorporated
    on most GG albums is facinating.  "Thinking music" to say the
    least.  BTW, I'm loving these two on Compact Disc!!
    
    Kev --