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Conference mr1pst::music

Title:MUSIC V4
Notice:New Noters please read Note 1.*, Mod = someone else
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Wed Oct 09 1991
Last Modified:Tue Mar 12 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:762
Total number of notes:18706

509.0. "" by OTOOA::ESKICIOGLU (one tuck, one no tuck) Mon Oct 04 1993 18:12

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509.1NACAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Mon Oct 04 1993 19:3517
    >>	2. Do not sing a song about Elvis, especially if you have 
    >>	never been in a recording studio before.
    
    Except it was OK for Living Colour to sing about "Elvis is Dead" 
    (see #12).
    
    >>	5. Rock lyrics are not poetry (especially if Sting or Bono 
    >>	writes them).
    
    ... or even if Jim Morrison wrote them.
    	
    >>	8. Rock stars are not actors.
    
    While this is good advice in general, I feel like there are notable 
    exceptions.  David Bowie, Glenn Frey (sp?), even Madonna on occasion 
    has turned in very good acting performances.
    
509.2purely popWBC::DEADYeverything's fine... just fine...Mon Oct 04 1993 19:434
    
    Madonna is NOT a rock star, nor an actor/actress.
    
    fred deady
509.3She's good in some comedy rolesNACAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Mon Oct 04 1993 20:417
    re: -1
    
    I can't cite a particular performance that makes her a rock star to
    _me_, but she is certainly a rock star to lots of people.  As for an
    actress, she was terrific in "Desperately Seeking Susan."
    
    							M
509.4LEDS::BURATIHelter SkelterMon Oct 04 1993 22:067
>5. Rock lyrics are not poetry (especially if Sting or Bono 
>writes them).

    I've always felt that if you're trying to write a lyric and
    it sounds like a poem, THROW IT OUT!

    --Ron
509.5Also that one seen in the otherwise worthless "Tracey"DREGS::BLICKSTEINDOS BootMon Oct 04 1993 22:2910
    Agreed about "Desperately seeking Susan" - she may have ruined the
    movie by making even the liberated Arquette seem boring by comparison!
    
    I also thought that she was brilliant in that one scene from "Dick
    Tracey" with Warren Beatty where she turned everything he said into an
    innuendo.
    
    I think she's very good at the things she does (in particular, sell
    "sex"), I think most of the grousing is that people do not like what
    she does (one of which is promote herself).
509.6WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly CSG/AVS DTN:293-5983Mon Oct 04 1993 23:5177
    
>	member(s) has left the group. Does anybody (even Pete 
>	Townshend) really like anything the Who have recorded since 
>	Keith Moon died in 1978?
    
    Not really.  But I might if they let Simon Phillips sit in on a studio
    album!!!!
	
>	3. Do not record for Arista Records. In the late eighties, 
>	Clive Davis' label was a haven for art-rock has-beens eager 
>	for one last pillage, like GTR and the Kantner-Balin-Casady 
>	Band (both of which broke up after one album) and Anderson, 
>	Bruford, Wakeman, Howe (pending). Arista's flagship "new" 
>	artists of the time, particularly Milli Vanilli, were 
>	cynical exploitation units.
    
    The Kinks put out 2 of their best on Arista - "Misfits" and
    "Sleepwalker" (some might say 3 with the live one).
	
>	4. Rock-and-roll songs with an orchestral choir are bound to 
>	be horrible. (Sole exception: the Rolling Stones' "You Can't 
>	Always Get What You Want.")
    
    The Moody Blues whole "Days Of Future Passed" destroys this rule
    (I think YCAGWYW actually counts as support rather than an exception to
    the rule - bleaaaugh).  Procol Harum's "Conquistador" is cool too.
    
>	5. Rock lyrics are not poetry (especially if Sting or Bono 
>	writes them).
 
    Pete Sinfield did a lot of great poetry for King Crimson.	
    
>	13. Do not go to art school.
    
    Well, *I* liked the Talking Heads, myself.
    
>	16. A list is not a song. (Most blatant recent violation: 
>	Billy Joel's evasive "We Didn't Start the Fire.")
    
    Buzzcocks "A Different Kind of Tension" was sort of neat.
    
> 	18. There is no reason besides greed for an established 
>	performer to accept corporate sponsorship.
    
    How about so's I can see them play.  Or are they supposed to play for
    free for me 'cause they're artists?
  	
>	19. Live records should reflect what a performance actually 
>	sounded like when it occurred. We loved the Talking Heads' 
>	"Stop Making Sense" until we found out how many studios
>	were used for postproduction.
    
    They liked it.  After that, what matters?  I guess they'd feel more
    comfortable with something like Grand Funk's live atrocity...  or the
    Stones' "Got Live If You Want It" scam.
    
>	This rule explains why art rock is always bad.
 
    <Marge Simpson voice> MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmnnnhhhh.....
    	
>	26. Heavy metal should be fast.
    
    That's why I hate today's Heavy Metal.  Heavy Metal should be Black
    Sabbath's "The Warning"  :^)
	
>	27. Punk happened. (Note tense.)
	
    And Rock can thank its lucky stars and $$$$ that it did - gave it the
    kick in the butt it needed.
    
>	28. If you have recorded more than three albums, someone 
>	will some day compile a boxed set dedicated to your oeuvre 
>	and Rolling Stone will give it four stars and call it a 
>	"grand summary, especially valuable on pristine CD."
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha - I actually like that one!!!!!
 	
509.9Not That Palmer-James Was Much BetterTECRUS::ROSTKeef RiffhardTue Oct 05 1993 10:559
>>	5. Rock lyrics are not poetry (especially if Sting or Bono 
>>	writes them).
> 
>    Pete Sinfield did a lot of great poetry for King Crimson.	
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  
    
    							Brian
509.10Good topic!PAVONE::TURNERTue Oct 05 1993 11:5432
    
    Hmm, interesting list. There's quite a lot of truth in there, amongst
    the exagerations and generalizations. Sure, you could probably think up
    an exception to each point, but I still think the author has got
    something.
    
    As an addendum to the list, I've hit upon an additional rule
    (guaranteed to achieve legendary cult success!):
    
    Make sure that your band's discography is as irregular as possible.
    In other words, go wild with limited edition singles, live B-sides, EPs, 
    remixed tracks, alternative covers (better still covers banned by the 
    censors after the first 50 copies have gone to press!), songs included on 
    rare compilations, re-recorded versions, authorized bootlegs, etc. 
    
    Well, it worked for The Smiths (among others), though their musical
    ability was never in doubt either!
    
    re: .6
    >>	16. A list is not a song. (Most blatant recent violation: 
    >>	Billy Joel's evasive "We Didn't Start the Fire.")
    
    > Buzzcocks "A Different Kind of Tension" was sort of neat.
      
    The Buzzcocks' "A Different Kind of Tension" was very much a list...and
    a superb track as well! It's hardly typical of their output but I'd
    recommend it to anyone, dated as it may sound.
    
    Dom
     
    
     
509.11Maybe she wasn't good enough yetCSLALL::NASEAM::READIOA Smith &amp; Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman LocksTue Oct 05 1993 12:2410
>    exceptions.  David Bowie, Glenn Frey (sp?), even Madonna on occasion 
>    has turned in very good acting performances.


Does this mean that John Holmes could have been a rock star?  He was a 
better "actor" than Madonna and he made a whole lot more films than she has
.  I'm surprised they never managed to "act" together .

    

509.12VAXWRK::STHILAIREwith a bible &amp; a gunTue Oct 05 1993 12:5818
    re .5, I was listening to Zooropa on the way to work this morning, and
    I disagree.  I like Bono's lyrics.  Anyway, this list overlooked a
    major rule of rock'n'roll:  Bono can do no wrong.  :-)
    
    Re .13, I like David Byrne, too.  Also, John Lennon went to art school
    and I liked him, too.  It can never hurt to go to art school.
    
    Re .24, I think Annie Lennox did okay by hanging out with Dave Stewart. 
    Her solo album since she was with him is nowhere near as good as the
    stuff she recorded with him.  
    
    Madonna is an adequate actress in certain roles.  She was good in A
    League of Their Own, and Desperately Seeking Susan.  I didn't think she
    did that great of a job in Dick Tracy.  I remember thinking that either
    Kim Basinger or Michelle Pfeiffer could have done that role better.
    
    Lorna
    
509.13TAMRC::LAURENTHal Laurent @ COPTue Oct 05 1993 13:3414
re: .6

    
>    The Moody Blues whole "Days Of Future Passed" destroys this rule
>    (I think YCAGWYW actually counts as support rather than an exception to
>    the rule - bleaaaugh).  Procol Harum's "Conquistador" is cool too.
    
Gackkk!!!!!!  The Moody Blues with orchestra were even worse than the Moody
Blues without Orchestra!  As for "Conquistador", the awfulness of the
arrangement was matched only by the pompousness of the lyrics!

Geez, now I'm foaming at the mouth.  I'd better go take my medicine...

-Hal
509.14Gee - why does that bass player have 2 middle namesPASTA::BENZI'm an idiot, and I voteTue Oct 05 1993 16:056
    My candidate for the 45th rule... borrowed from the movie industry
    (well, actor's guild)
    
    45. Bands AND individual musicians should register names to guarantee
    uniqueness... no more of this Dave Stewart, Squeeze, English Beat and 
    similar confusions.
509.15From Atlanta, but I saw them in LAMSBCS::STEINHARDTWed Oct 06 1993 20:476
    As for Arista, my favorite nobody_has_heard_of_them_but_they're_great
    band (Michelle Malone and Drag The River) recorded their lone album
    on Arista in '91.
    
    Cheers,
    Ken