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Conference mr1pst::music

Title:MUSIC V4
Notice:New Noters please read Note 1.*, Mod = someone else
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Wed Oct 09 1991
Last Modified:Tue Mar 12 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:762
Total number of notes:18706

87.0. "The Judds" by CIVIC::FAHEL (Amalthea Celebras/Silver Unicorn) Fri Dec 06 1991 11:36

    The end of an era.  The Judds are no more, musically.  Hopefully
    Wynnona will be able to hold her own going solo, but I think that
    without Naomi, the charm will be gone.
    
    Did anyone tape the Pay-per-view last concert, or does anyone know if
    it will be released on videotape?
    
    K.C.
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87.1see it for freeEZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedFri Dec 06 1991 15:424
I saw an ad on NBC last night stating that the show (probably an edited
version) would be on this weekend.  Not sure of the date.

adam
87.2Naomi's 'disease' is a publicity stuntCARTUN::BDONOVANMark Farner's guitar techFri Dec 06 1991 17:1743
    
    
    *Sigh*  Does anyone *really* believe this is the end?
    
    Naomi went public about one year ago with an emotional tale about
    how her virile hepatitis was forcing her out of the music business.
    
    Then, she and daughter Wynonna (not their real names, by the way)
    went off on a one-year tour.
    
    Does anybody see the problem with that?  If you have ever had
    diseases of this type and severity, you simply couldn't mount
    the energy for a year long tour.
    
    Sure, they cried on Barbara Walters. And there have been zillions
    of magazine articles, and roses, and, etc., etc.  But isn't this
    really just an elaborate publicity scheme for a band that was
    in the Top Ten Concert Gross LOSERS in 1991!
    
    Personally, I think Naomi may or may not be sick, but she isn't
    as ill as the publicity machine would like you to believe.  In
    fact, if you read the story in PEOPLE magazine that was out last
    week, there is a very significant line buried deep in the text that
    says, "Naomi disease, which is said to be in remission.."
    
    In remission!  Yeah, I'll bet.  You can be sure it will clear up
    completely within a year or two, just in time to reviv Wynonna's
    stalled career.  It will be described as a miracle from God, and
    all sorts of other "hallelujah-style baloney" that will appeal to 
    the conservative, Bible-thumping country music fans.
    
    The new album will hit the streets, and a fabulous reunion tour
    will be mounted.
    
    Call me a cynic, if you want.  But this has got to be the boldest,
    most successful manipulation of the press and media I have ever seen
    
    People with virile hepatitis DO NOT perform for two hours every night
    for the better part of a year on a world tour!
    
    JMHO
    
    Brian
87.3SAHQ::LUBERHOME OF 1991 NL CHAMP ATLANTA BRAVES!!Fri Dec 06 1991 17:265
    Re .2:
    
    I agree.  It seems to me that the Judds have been doing their teary
    farewell shtick for a decade.  Can't wait for Jimmy Swaggart to heal
    Naomi so they can go on tour again.  Uggghhh!
87.4OCTAVE::VIGNEAULTFri Dec 06 1991 17:306
    
    Yes, I also agree with .2
    
    .. and Jimmy Swaggart will heal her on pay-per-view !
    
    Larry
87.5XCUSME::KENDRICKFri Dec 06 1991 17:358
    Gee, I feel better after reading the last few replies.  I thought I was
    a horrible person because I thought it was a crock of bull, too.
    
    Did anyone read the TV guide interviews this week?  They sound like
    they're emotionally joined at the hip.
    
    T
    
87.6VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKF.D.D.Fri Dec 06 1991 17:513
    
    I have the guide but haven't read it yet. I agree with others, it's
    a scam. We Heavy Metaler's do it all the time. 8-)
87.7RAVEN1::B_ADAMSTime for F.A.R.T. again!Fri Dec 06 1991 18:3817
    
    	I don't know if it's a scam or not, but I don't care to listen to
    them anymore anyways. I've never like their stage presence for some
    reason or another. Too cute maybe?
    
    	Anyways, If she is sick, hope she gets better. If not, too Hell
    with them both. :*)
    
    B.A.
    
    BTW, Did you guys hear that the dude from Milli Vannili tried to kill
    himself? He was on a window ledge and had a cut wrist.
    
    	Some say he was faking it! :*)
    
    B.A.
    
87.8Give Me A BreakRGB::ROSTFelix Pappalardi in a previous lifeMon Dec 09 1991 13:279
    <set flame on>
    
    Well, OK guys, you all go out and get virile hepatitis and see what
    kind of a picnic it is....sheesh, this is the same bunch of people
    crying in their beer over Freddie Mercury?  !!!!!!
    
    <set flame off>
    
    						Brian
87.9ASABET::MCLAUGHLINMon Dec 09 1991 14:0918
    I agree with .2, and am already anticipating Naomi's endless teary 
    tabloid TV show appearances, as well as the Pay-Per-View reunion concert.
    
    The TV Guide article had a couple of funny comments.  According to Naomi,
    she was against doing the PPV concert, but when her manager told her how
    much money The Judds would earn FOR CHARITY!!! (a small percentage
    of the proceeds were earmarked for charity), she was very much in favor 
    of the gig.  Naomi also commented that the year-long tour was a chance
    for her fans to say good-bye.  What a martyr, always putting charity
    and the needs of her fans before her own personal interests!
    
    I've always felt that Wynonna carried Naomi, and that Naomi would
    not be able to make it as a soloist.  Should Wynonna have chosen
    to go solo at any time, Naomi would have been forced to retire.  
    Using hepatitis as an excuse for early retirement, Naomi will never 
    have to attempt song on her own in public.
    
    Shawn
87.10There's a big difference between Naomi and FreddieCARTUN::BDONOVANMon Dec 09 1991 15:2252
    re. .8
    
    >Well, OK guys, you all go out and get virile hepatitis and see what
    >kind of picnic it is....sheesh, this is the same bunch of people 
    >crying in their beer over Freddie Mercury !!!!
    
    
    You're damn right we are.  Freddie DIED for crying out loud, and from
    a disease that he tried to hide from the public.  There sure as hell
    weren't any "FINAL CORONATION PAY-FOR-VIEW QUEEN CONCERTS"  put
    on to capitalize on his situation. And the fact that the Judd's
    thing is such an obvious publicity ploy totally nauseates me.
    
    What was the big quote on people magazine?  Wynonna said, of
    mother Naomi, "She is a broken doll and an absolute walking
    miracle."
    
    Nice press.  But let me tell you this, if my *mother* was dying of
    virile hepatitis, I would not refer to her as a "broken doll."
    If you have ever been around a person suffering with a terminal
    disease....like virile hepatitis....you don't think of cute little
    quotes to say about them.
    
    You are right:  virile hepatitis is no picnic.  In fact, it is very
    near debilitating.  Which is why the whole thing is one giant lie.
    
    You cannot perform for two hours every night on a year-long tour
    with virile hepatitis.  Period.  I love this crap Naomi says about
    "the adrenalin from our concerts, and the love of my fans carries
    me through."
    
    The Judds were in the Top 10 money-losers (according to an AP article
    in last week's Boston Globe) on last year's concert trail.  Hmmmm,
    that's pretty interesting.  How else do you pump up an declining
    artist?  How about a rumor?  I wish I had a buck for every time
    someone told me that A.) Bob Seger  B.) Stephen Tyler  C.) Insert
    your favorite perfomer had throat cancer. 
    
    Naomi's feigned illness is an insult to guys like Freddie, who, despite
    his campiness and outrageous style, had the class to not try to
    *cash in* on a gullible public.  How do you think Ronnie Lane will
    feel when he watches this special? One thing's for sure:  You
    won't be reading about any miraculous healing or remission of his
    disease.
    
    I should close by saying I actually like their music.  If I didn't
    care for it one way or another, I probably wouldn't feel this
    angry at their blatant media manipulation.
    
    FWIW,
    
    Brian
87.11Whats next? (Axel Rose Kidnaped)ELWOOD::CAPOZZOHe who hits first winsTue Dec 10 1991 10:025
    I not in a habbit of replying to these type of notes, but I agree 100%
    with the coments of the public being had on this one. I think that
    reply .8 is all wet. Lets face it even if she was sick, you don't go 
    around using it to make money for yourself period.  I also read that a 
    very small amount of money went to charity.
87.12REGENT::WOODWARDI'll put this moment...hereTue Dec 10 1991 10:3410
    I just heard that the Judd's Pay Per View Concert was the most
    successful PPV concert to date. 
    
    I heard about the final farewell concert a long time ago, from a friend
    who was a fan. She said it had been going on for years.  It made
    me a little cynical. Then, when I heard people had to pay $25.00
    to see the final concert on tv, I was a bit more cynical.  It looks
    like the Judds know a money-making opportunity when they see one.  
    
    Kathy
87.13>:^(SELL3::FAHELAmalthea Celebras/Silver UnicornTue Dec 10 1991 10:4911
    Re: .12
    
    Your friend is full of what makes the grass grow full and green.  It
    has NOT been going on "for years" - but only one year.
    
    I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up.  I don't think it is a rip-off
    or a scam.
    
    I'm outta here.
    
    K.C.
87.14Be careful: This note contains sarcasm!SHALOT::WELTONI'm gyno-impairedTue Dec 10 1991 11:2418
    Re: last several
    
    Wait a minute... Isn't this a capitalist country?  Doesn't that mean
    that people can make money if they want to? I'm pretty sure all those
    folks that went to see the Judds on their tour or paid for the PPV
    concert didn't give the Judds their money at gun point.  Or maybe they
    did...
    
    Maybe it's scam, maybe not (I don't think it is, but that's my own
    opinion), but the point is that the  Judds aren't the people with the
    final choice about where those concert-goer spend their money. It may
    be foolish to spend your money on a scam... but it your choice.
    
    later,
    
    douglas
    
    
87.15XCUSME::KENDRICKTue Dec 10 1991 11:5117
    I think Brian in note .10 brought out a very good point concerning
    Wynnona's behavior towards her mother's alleged illness.  Speaking from
    personal experience, my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer this
    summer.  I was absolutely devastated.  My immediate response was to do
    everything in my power to make sure she beats it.  It's a natural
    response - you become the parent and the parent becomes the child. 
    That's why I can't understand Wynonna's behavior.  If she is as close
    to her mother as she makes us believe, why did she allow her to go on a
    grueling, year-long city to city tour.  One thing you don't do with a
    disease like viral hepatitis is allow yourself to get worn out.  I
    believe any woman's daughter would have put their foot down and said no
    tour - you and your health comes first.
    
    It's a scam.
    
    
    
87.16exCOMET::MESSAGEYou can't dust for vomitTue Dec 10 1991 12:2811
    I just read that viral hepatitus is actually three, different diseases,
    with different levels of severity. Levels are A, B and C, with A being
    the least severe and C the most. In the very limited text, it appeared
    that the type C was a fearsome killer, while type B was fatal *some*
    times, and type A *could* kill someone, but usually just is a nuisance
    that occasionally flares up. 
    
    So, maybe there is a medical reason that the Judds could tour for a
    year after the discovery of a "life-threatening" disease. I dunno....
    
    Bill
87.17Judds Stuff (new)EPS::BAUERBOGEY AND STAR TREK LOVERThu Feb 06 1992 14:2539
Having seen the Judds on their farewell tour (drove from
Nashua to Warwick RI) I am keenly interested in this
note.

I shook both Naomi and Wynonna's hand, urging the mother
to continue writing for her daughter (she does you know)
and bolstered Wynonna who admitted she "would need
a lot of support" for her solo efforts.

They were both beautiful and worth climbing over people
to see.  They shook a lot of hands let me tell you.

Wynonna's new song (premiered on American Music Awards)
is wonderful. It's called SHE IS HIS ONLY NEED.  

The folks I watched it with were spellbound.  Very moving
performance especially as the "sick" mom cried during
the whole thing, often mouthing the words when the
camera was on her.

It was a moment in country music (american music) I
won't seen forget.

Bye the way, The Judds tour was the biggest sellout
last year, breakign many records according to all
news flashes I heard this week.

I thought these two were pure camp, but love them now.
Mom meant to be famous and was urged to join forces
with her daughter.  How saw her career as singer
is finished.

Wynonna, well,she is great - even without momma Judd.

Still can't believe I actually touched and conversed
with the two of them - within a few feet of their bus.

God bless both of them....they can take my money and
run.... 
87.18Farewell concert tape??VIRGO::BURGOSFri Feb 21 1992 12:5211
    Living out in the Country Cable is still new technology.
    
    I've been looking for the Pay-per-View concert in video stores and
    haven't seen it yet.
    
    Does anybody either know if it will be released, or want to offer a
    copy of the tape they have?
    
    Thanks
    
    Louie
87.19very interestingSWAM2::MASSEY_VIMon Jul 20 1992 21:3716
    I just added this conference today and finaly had time to look through
    the notes.  I do have some feeling on the way they finished out the
    year touring when mom was supposed to be so sick.
    	I don't think it is a scam though.  All illnesses affect people
    differently.  I just hope you people who are so critical can take it
    when she dies ( or recovers ).  Take it as you will.
    
    Let country live
    
    
    virginia
    
    
    
    
    
87.20<I think shes gonna make itSWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueTue Sep 15 1992 18:2310
    I just wanted to open this thing up again.
    
    What does every body think about Wynona now.  I have heard her latest
    new songs and want to get the CD.  I think she is doing beter music now
    than before.  I feel she will go far now that she has some freedom with
    her music.  I do hope her mother is doing better but don't want to see
    her on the scene again.  Just me .02 worth.
    
    
    Virginia
87.21She's made it!LUNER::KELLYJDon't that sunrise look so prettyTue Sep 15 1992 19:042
    Yup, agree that Wynona (man, where did that name come from?) is one
    talented lady.  
87.22REGENT::WOODWARDI'll put this moment...hereTue Sep 15 1992 23:2913
    Her two latest songs from her Album "Wynona" are:
    
    His only need
    I saw the light
    
    I didn't like "I saw the light" at first, but it grew on me.  I love
    signing along now! 
    
    She's still talking about how she feels so unconfident without Mom.
    I wish she'd get clue.  What will it take for her to realize
    she's a success on her own????
    
    Kathy 
87.23one moreSWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueWed Sep 16 1992 16:146
    Maybe we need to get her fan club to tell her.  I am realy happy about
    her new music.
    
    Has anyone heard about the condition of her mother?
    
    Virginia
87.24?WBC::DEADY&quot;...that's as green as it gets...&quot;Wed Sep 16 1992 19:078
    re. 22
    
    	Is Wynona's "I saw The Light" her own, or is it a cover of
    Todd Rundgren's?
    
    
    		fred deady
    		wbc::deady
87.25VERGA::CLARKWed Sep 16 1992 20:204
>    	Is Wynona's "I saw The Light" her own, or is it a cover of
>    Todd Rundgren's?

   Or Hank Williams Sr.'s, or...    
87.26sounds good to meSWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueThu Sep 17 1992 16:4510
    
    
    What's your point???  Alot of old songs are re-made and surpass the
    original.  Her song sounds good when she sings it, who cares where she
    got it from.  I'm sure they are getting their cut.  Enjoy, not destroy.  
    
    
    Many smiles ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    
    Virginia
87.27VERGA::CLARKThu Sep 17 1992 17:514
>    What's your point???

  No point, just curious.  Fans of <original-songwriter> get interested when
  they find someone's done a new version...    - Jay
87.28ouch sorrySWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueThu Sep 17 1992 20:038
    Ok  my Burst.  I have just gotten used to people ragging on new
    artist's renditions of old songs.  I guess I am getting a little closed
    minded myself.
    
    my humble bumble
    
    
    
87.29I'd like to see todd try this song! 8)REGENT::WOODWARDI'll put this moment...hereThu Sep 17 1992 23:1812
    I doubt that Wynona's "I saw the Light" is the same as Todd's.  
    The lyrics for her song include:
    
    So take your cheating hands
    Off my red dress
    Cuz I ain't wearing
    This thing for you
    
    I can't picture Todd R (as much as I like him) in a red dress.  8)
    
    
    Kathy
87.30VERGA::CLARKFri Sep 18 1992 08:453
   And it clearly isn't Hank's (gospel) number either ("And like the blind
   man God gave his sight, praise the lord, I saw the light...").
   Well, that answers those questions.   8)    - Jay
87.31concert infoSWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueMon Sep 21 1992 21:497
    thanks Jay,
    
    Does anyone have some concert info on Wynona??  I haven't heard
    anything on where she has been lately.
    
    
    Virginia
87.32Comeback?SWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueFri Oct 23 1992 14:0611
    Ok, who was the one that said Naomi would be fine in a few months?
    
    I heard on the radio this morning about an interview done with Naomi. 
    She will talk about her relationship with Wynona and things like that. 
    The last line I heard was, "Naomi diseas is in remision and she is
    feeling great!"  Now that doesn't mean that she is going to start
    singing again but it was along the lines that someone in here predicted
    happening.
    
    Virginia
    
87.33SAHQ::LUBERHome of 1992 Western Division ChampsFri Oct 23 1992 16:062
    I believe it was me in reply .3
    
87.34Too soon to tellSWAM2::MASSEY_VIIt's all in the cueFri Oct 23 1992 21:277
    So what is your reaction to this news?  I find it strange but untill
    she begins singing again, I don't want to make any fast judgements. 
    Now all we need is Garth to change his mind.
    
    How's it going Brian?
    
    Vriginia