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2916.1 | | OKFINE::KENAH | On the Net, nobody knows you're a dog | Wed Feb 09 1994 16:02 | 3 |
2916.2 | RELATED CONFERENCES | DELNI::DISMUKE | | Wed Feb 09 1994 16:03 | 8 |
2916.3 | | DELNI::DISMUKE | | Wed Feb 09 1994 16:05 | 11 |
2916.4 | oh no! | NPSS::BADGER | One Happy camper ;-) | Wed Feb 09 1994 16:51 | 9 |
2916.5 | What I don't like about these schemes | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Wed Feb 09 1994 17:12 | 6 |
2916.6 | Pyramid | NETRIX::michaud | Jeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Windows NT | Wed Feb 09 1994 17:39 | 3 |
2916.7 | | AIMHI::OBRIEN_J | Yabba Dabba DOO | Wed Feb 09 1994 17:39 | 13 |
2916.8 | | DSSDEV::RUST | | Wed Feb 09 1994 18:01 | 21 |
2916.9 | If it sounds too good to be true... | NUBOAT::HEBERT | Captain Bligh | Wed Feb 09 1994 18:05 | 21 |
2916.10 | | CDROM::HENDRICKS | Hatred is not a family value | Wed Feb 09 1994 19:45 | 17 |
2916.11 | | DELNI::DISMUKE | | Thu Feb 10 1994 13:00 | 20 |
2916.12 | | STAR::FERLAN | DECamds as your cluster mgmt tool | Thu Feb 10 1994 14:20 | 32 |
2916.13 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Thu Feb 10 1994 14:27 | 3 |
2916.14 | | MRKTNG::BROCK | Son of a Beech | Thu Feb 10 1994 14:39 | 13 |
2916.15 | | TOOK::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dog face) | Thu Feb 10 1994 15:51 | 6 |
2916.16 | I've been soured too | VSSTEG::TOWLE | Corky | Thu Feb 10 1994 16:16 | 3 |
2916.17 | | TOOK::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570 | Thu Feb 10 1994 17:53 | 12 |
2916.18 | | CDROM::HENDRICKS | Hatred is not a family value | Fri Feb 11 1994 06:36 | 13 |
2916.19 | | NETRIX::michaud | Jeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Windows NT | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:01 | 10 |
2916.20 | A familiar bell | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:10 | 15 |
2916.21 | sigh | CDROM::HENDRICKS | Hatred is not a family value | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:14 | 5 |
2916.22 | | GERBIL::DUPONT | | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:17 | 14 |
2916.23 | 8) | CUPMK::T_THEO | Look Twice, Save a Life | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:55 | 5 |
2916.24 | HOLD THE ANCHOVIES AND INSULTS | DELNI::DISMUKE | | Fri Feb 11 1994 14:27 | 5 |
2916.25 | so that's what "network marketing" is | WEORG::ROGOFF | Barry Rogoff, IDC, ZKO2-1/R34,381-2957 | Fri Feb 11 1994 14:43 | 15 |
2916.26 | Thank you | WMOIS::LYONS_S | | Fri Feb 11 1994 15:55 | 11 |
2916.27 | How about addressing my point instead of me? | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Fri Feb 11 1994 15:59 | 11 |
2916.28 | | NASZKO::MACDONALD | | Mon Feb 14 1994 11:20 | 11 |
2916.29 | Seemed like a cult to me... | NSTG::CARBAUGH | | Mon Feb 14 1994 12:35 | 34 |
2916.30 | Process without Product? | ABACUS::JANEB | See it happen => Make it happen | Mon Feb 14 1994 12:48 | 7 |
2916.31 | Pyramid? | MRKTNG::PRTZEL::MURRY | Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Liberal! | Mon Feb 14 1994 12:58 | 3 |
2916.32 | That's where the "pyramid" aspect comes in | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Mon Feb 14 1994 13:07 | 18 |
2916.33 | On the subject of Cult | NETRIX::michaud | Jeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Windows NT | Mon Feb 14 1994 13:35 | 4 |
2916.34 | | DELNI::DISMUKE | | Mon Feb 14 1994 15:36 | 25 |
2916.35 | don't drink the kool-aid | TLE::MCCARTHY | Back to BASICs | Mon Feb 14 1994 21:52 | 4 |
2916.36 | | TOOK::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570 | Tue Feb 15 1994 04:31 | 12 |
2916.37 | what I saw of it | HNDYMN::MCCARTHY | Back to BASICs | Tue Feb 15 1994 09:24 | 18 |
2916.38 | | SNELL::ROBERTS | do not feed the Gare! | Tue Feb 15 1994 11:31 | 2 |
2916.39 | Say 'noway' to Amway | TLE::SAVAGE | | Tue Feb 15 1994 14:52 | 1 |
2916.40 | It's not Amway, nor the CPC I object to; it's the method | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Light to dark, dark to light | Fri Jun 17 1994 18:01 | 4 |
2916.41 | Another way Amway solicits | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Light to dark, dark to light | Wed Jul 13 1994 13:57 | 23 |
2916.42 | Just received my copy | GEMEVN::BLICKSTEIN | The moment is a masterpiece | Thu Apr 24 1997 14:20 | 17 |
| > Nancy Glass trying to get some woman (high up in Amway) to give reasons
> why it should not be considered a cult.
> A cult expert drawing similarities between Amway and religious cults
Someone's written a book about that:
Amway : The Cult of Free Enterprise
by Stephen Butterfield
1st Ed.
Hardcover
Published by South End Pr
Publication date: December 1985
ISBN: 0896082547
It can be ordered from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com).
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2916.43 | | NETCAD::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG2-A/R5 226-7570 | Thu Apr 24 1997 19:04 | 5 |
| > Publication date: December 1985
Did you really mean 1985? If so, this is seriously out of date. I don't know
what has happened in Amway in the last 7 years, but I know a lot changed in the
late 80's.
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2916.44 | | GEMEVN::BLICKSTEIN | The moment is a masterpiece | Thu Apr 24 1997 20:22 | 8 |
| I cut and pasted that out of Amazon's database so 1985 is probably
correct.
I'm sure that a lot has changed in Amway. I still think anyone
considering it should do a lot of research into it and don't rely
solely on the information that Amway reps volunteer.
db
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2916.45 | | DEVO::JUDY | That's *Ms. Bitch* to you! | Fri Apr 25 1997 13:21 | 9 |
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While I don't care for the 'pyramid' companies myself, I
don't know that I see anything "cult like" in the reps
I know. One is a couple that are the parents of a good friend
of mine and the other is my aunt and uncle.
- J
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2916.46 | | NETCAD::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG2-A/R5 226-7570 | Fri Apr 25 1997 16:46 | 5 |
| I don't think the "cult" reference is about distributors themselves, but
rather of the regional gatherings that Amway used to hold. I never attended
one of these, but the description sounded like 17-hour days and 6-hour stretches
without food. Sleep and food deprivation are common techniques of cult-like
organizations.
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2916.47 | | EVMS::MORONEY | | Fri Apr 25 1997 17:53 | 7 |
| I knew only one Amway rep, a good friend of mine. I don't know what happened
but he became very obsessed with trying to sell the stuff and recruit us. This
(interest in selling household products) was very unlike him. I would describe
his behavior as somewhat cult-like.
It is quite true that food and (particularly) sleep deprivation are used by
cults and cult-like groups to gain and maintain control over members.
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2916.48 | The odds are very long | TLE::SAVAGE | | Mon Apr 28 1997 16:28 | 16 |
| My son (age 22) is involved with Amway and occasionally goes to some
sort of convention-like meetings in Maine. [He lives in Keene.] Other
than bringing goodies with him when he visits his parents, I've seen no
behavior changes that I could attribute to his association with Amway.
There's some book about personality types that they suggested he read
and he has enjoyed it.
He's acquired the conviction that someday he will make a lot of money
from Amway, but the John Casablanca Modelling School that my daughter
(age 17) is now attending makes similar claims. As parents, we try to
be a sobering influence by pointing out that the world is full of
salesmen bearing messages of 'hype'. That there are many variations on
the familiar carnival midway or the gambling casino themes. The facts
are that you had better enjoy the experience because in no other way
you likely to get your money's worth - except through the 'entertainment'
value.
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2916.49 | Cult may be pushing it, but... | FOUNDR::DODIER | Double Income, Clan'o Kids | Mon Apr 28 1997 20:37 | 18 |
| Networking organizations I've seen tend to have a lot of rah-rah
moral boosting rallies. The realities of the difficulties in selling
product X are over-shadowed by lure of easy money. It is especially true
in ones first exposure to the pyrimid scheme (or multi-level marketing as
it's currently termed).
At the rah-rah ralleys, you listen to all of the success stories of
people that have already made it. They tend to paint a picture of how
well off they are now and how much free time they have, and how all you
have to do is exactly what your told, and you too can reap these
benefits.
I'm not saying that any or all of these companies are bad. The
question someone needs to ask is whether they really think they can
sell whatever product or service is being offered. If it was as easy
as they portray, everyone would be doing it.
Ray
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2916.50 | | APACHE::KEITH | Dr. Deuce | Tue Apr 29 1997 12:30 | 5 |
| Amway is now selling lots of other (name) products besides soap these
days. They 'claim' that mfg's have figured out that it is a win-win
situation as opposed to local retailing/advertising.
Steve
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2916.51 | | BRITE::FYFE | Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. | Tue Apr 29 1997 14:47 | 13 |
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Yes, Amway has many catalogs full of merchandise from other manufactures.
Their prices aren't so good, but not bad either.
I also heard rumor that they are producing catalog CDs for the PC.
And, on a whim, I just hooked up to their web site ....
Now, if only their laundry detergent didn't change the color of my clothes :-/
Doug.
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