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Conference vmszoo::flying

Title:General Aviation
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Created:Mon Mar 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5214
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5202.0. "Fighter Pilots USA...any good?" by KANATA::ZUTRAUEN (always lookin' to learn) Tue Feb 25 1997 14:01

    Has anyone heard anything (good or bad) 'bout that flying joyride
    called "Fighter Pilots USA"? The take up the average Joe and hand over
    the stick for some shoot'em'up games and aerobatics (as per their web
    page).
    
    From a pilot's perspective, would it be worth $700 for an hours worth?
    
    Thanks!
    Pete
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5202.1PCBUOA::BAYJJim, PortablesTue Feb 25 1997 14:4721
    There are several of them around.  One in California, one in Atlanta
    (that I prefer, cause they use a tandem aircraft instead of the
    F-111ish Marchetti) and at least for a while there was one located at
    Hanscom here in Mass.  I have heard mixed rumors about whether its
    still operating or not.
    
    I haven't been able to try this, but I definitely can't wait.  A friend
    tried it and really loved it.
    
    In one of Richard Bach's books, he postulated about a post cold war
    future where air combat was taken up as a spectator sport, and I
    couldn't help but be thrilled by the idea.  It makes AT LEAST as much
    sense as football.
    
    Strangely though, I haven't heard of many "real" people who have done
    it, though they talk about group jaunts on Compuserve, and every single
    reporter in the world has done it (I think someone from Chronicle might
    have done it).
    
    jeb
    
5202.2Ever been inverted chasing a bad friend?SMURF::LIUMy Beer? Scudrunner Dark of courseTue Feb 25 1997 16:1424
    
    They are coming to Nashua, NH this summer.  The pilot shop (ASW)
    is hosting them.
    
    The outfit that you are refering to flys Marchetti's.
    
    Most GA folks spend their lives flying straight and level.
    A surprising number (99%?) of GA folks seem to never look
    anywhere but out the front or down to the side.  A bit of
    ACM/DCM might prod them into looking everywhere they have
    windows and maybe even turn occaisionally to check their
    blind spots.  Is an intro to this worth $700?  Well, this
    is an opportunity for joe/jane average pilot to do something
    completely different in an airplane.  And it will give you
    a completely different perspective on seeing and avoiding,
    or seeing and finding, other folks.  Not to mention an appreciation
    for flying the airplane in a manner where the position of
    the horizon is irrelivant.  And I think its the only aviation
    "game" out there where you are one-on-one with another pilot.
    
    $700 is a lot.  There are other ways to try ACM/DCM.  But be
    careful.....
    
    Have fun!
5202.3TUXEDO::BAKERTue Feb 25 1997 16:3916
As to the expense, a number of years ago I plunked down
$400 to get a ride in the Concorde for an hour.  Originally
we were to go supersonic but we couldn't get out US airspace
(another whole story) so we ended up doing maximum performance
takeoffs and landings at an airshow.  To me it was worth the
money to do a max perfomance takeoff, bank 45 degrees to the right,
over 45 degrees to the left back onto the runway and then do it
again.  Closest thing to a jet fighter I have ever been in.
And this is a commercial airliner, and check those faces on the
stewardesses (they were volunteers) and listen to those howls of
delight from the passengers.  Now if I had only brought my passport
so that I could have taken advantage of the $400 roundtrip to 
London, over by Concorde and back by conventional, that they
offered so that they could pay to get the thing back to England.
$700?  Yeh I would do it, once.  Funny, at the time I was 
embarrassed to say how much it cost me.
5202.4Cost justification inputSHARE::LUNDWed Apr 09 1997 15:333
    If you're looking for a fresh benchmark to justify the cost,
    try comparing it to a tandem freefall, which is about $200 for 
    about 5 minutes in the air.
5202.5$$ Is The Last DeterminantSMURF::LIUMy Beer? Scudrunner Dark of courseTue Apr 15 1997 12:1525
    
    $$ is the last comparison I would use actually.
    
    Are you confortable in all flight attitudes.  Are you
    competitive?  Would you like to a taste of what its
    like to go head to head with someone and try your best
    to kill them?
    
    Concern for $$ is probably masking a lack of confidence
    and desire.  If you have to ask, you probably will be
    dissapointed.  None of which has anything to do with
    real general aviation and your enjoyment of it.  You can
    buy about 100 gallons of 100LL for $200.  That might
    get you 20 or more hours of fun flying in your Cessna-Piper-
    Mooney.  Its also about what I spent on my recent BFR in
    a Pitts S-2B.  Aviation will swallow all the $$ you put
    in.  But the fun factor does not neccesarily increase
    equivalent to the $$ you put in.  Looking at the faces
    at Sun 'N Fun, it sure looked like the ultralight guys
    were having a LOT more fun than the heavy iron guys.
    They certainly had the best party.  But you mileage will
    vary.
    
    Have fun!
    
5202.6they moved! bummer :(KANATA::ZUTRAUENalways lookin' to learnTue Apr 15 1997 14:4412
    'tanks for the comments all....
    
    As per their homepage, it appears that their operations change locals
    periodically (I assume the don't get much repeat biz), and none are 
    close enough to drive to for me right now (Ottawa, Canada).
    
    Still really interested tho. Just luv being tossed around - maybe I'll
    have to check out some local spots to see if there are any aerobatic
    passenger seats avail..
    
    Thanks again,
    Pete :)