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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
Notice:READ 1.27 BEFORE WRITING
Moderator:CSC32::DUBOIS
Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

481.0. "Involuntary Head-Shaking?" by SCAACT::RESENDE (Digital, thriving on chaos?) Sun Nov 04 1990 15:30

    Well, this has us baffled.

    Michael, 9+ months, has developed a new 'behavior' within the past
    week or so.  It seems to be getting more pronounced as time goes by.

    He rocks his head back and forth, from side to side, reminiscent of
    shaking his head "no".  Now, he's done "yes" before (up and down) when
    'talking' to us, and it appears quite deliberate.  This back and forth
    movement, though, to me appears not to be as deliberate.  He does it
    while seemly not focused on anything or when preoccupied by something
    else.  Maybe I'm reading something into it, but it does strike me as
    almost palsy-like.  The frequency is quite common -- I'd say if he sat
    still for two minutes (rare!), you'd see it.

    Note, he can do it deliberately.  He's beginning to imitate us, and if
    we shake our heads 'no', he'll do it with a big grin, so it's obviously
    a game then.  
    
    Also, when he's doing his (possibly) involuntary head-shaking, I can
    get him to consciously stop it by having him focus on something.  So he
    can control it.

    Perhaps I'm worrying about nothing.  But we see him all the time, and
    this behavior strikes me as 'unusual.'
    
    We could feel like fools taking him to the pedi because he shakes his
    head without smiling sometimes.  But if it is involuntary, we'd
    certainly want to know it.  Any ideas?
    
    Steve
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481.1QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centSun Nov 04 1990 15:404
    I would have the pediatrician examine Michael - he may have some inner
    ear problems.
    
    				Steve
481.2concentration??MAJORS::MANDALINCIMon Nov 05 1990 08:5113
    If it isn't the result of a "physical" ailment (like ears, etc), it
    might be behavioral. I have a nephew who used to make a motor sound
    anytime he was concentrating. He did start quite young. My sister was
    more concerned that he would get to school and there would be this
    motor sound coming from the back of the room. Her pedi said it is quite
    common for kids to pick up there own "quirk" to help them concentrate.
    
    Pay attention to see if there is a pattern to the movements. This will
    help the pedi determine if it is "habit" or a physical condition.
    
    For what it's worth...
    
    Andrea
481.3"No" is definately used more often than "Yes".CSDPIE::JENSENMon Nov 05 1990 12:2920
    
    Steve:
    
    Can't remember when JA started the head shaking "show" ... maybe around
    11-12 months.  Now she doesn't do it as frequently as your little tyke,
    however, she does do it for no reason at all ... or ... attention. 
    Some where along the line someone must have given her some feedback on
    "how cute it was", so now it's a "trick".
    
    She will stand up and shake her head "no" so violently that she'll get
    dizzy, lose her bearings and fall over!
    
    At 14 months, she's now put "value" to this ... so just in case you
    didn't get the message that she doesn't want any more dinner, she'll
    shake her head violently, say no-noooo-no! and then spit out dinner!
    
    So my vote is that your tyke will be expressing himself REAL SOON! ...
    and "no" is utilized about 10-12X more often than "yes"!!!
    
    Dottie
481.4BoppingDELNI::SCORMIERTue Nov 06 1990 16:3015
    Steve,
    My 11 month old son has been doing this for about 1 month.  We call it
    "the bop", sometimes he does it up and down, sometimes shoulder to
    shoulder, almost like he is bobbing his head to music only he can hear.
    He also adds the razzberry when concentrating on something small he is
    holding in his hands...bop, buzz, bop, buzz! 
    Last week he added the shoulder movements, forward and back, and he does
    it almost all the time when we are watching MTV (music videos).  Guess
    he's establishing his rhythm.   It never occurred to me that something
    might be wrong, I just assumed he was learning more articulated
    movements with his body, like clapping and walking (just learned last
    weekend!).  Definitely speak to your pedi to reassure yourself, maybe
    I'll call mine too???
    Sarah
    
481.5Dance To The Music!HYSTER::DELISLETue Nov 06 1990 18:367
    Re. -1   My 14 month old son does what you describe also.  I know for a
    fact that he's "dancing".  I've seen them all do it in the daycare
    center - eight little one year olds standing around bobbing up and
    down, and kind of swinging their shoulders back and forth.  Their
    teacher taught them to dance, and it's the closest they can come to
    imitating her movements.  It's quite funny to watch.
    
481.6...it worried me too...CSOA1::GOOSBYTue Nov 06 1990 19:0213
    
    My son did this too...it was also between the age of 12 and 24
    months.  It drove me crazy because it seemed like some sort of twitch
    or involuntary movement. He has out grown it since...
    
    Also, check his ears like .1 said and it may be related to the ears
    also if his balance is off. I could tell sometimes that my son had an
    ear infection by his balance (which was precarious anyway by nature).
    
    Good luck. It's probably nothing, but you're right to follow your first
    mind and check it out.
    
    Jeri-Elayne
481.7another one...TPS::JOHNSONWed Nov 07 1990 12:186
    Count us in too...Steven, who just turned 1, started doing
    this a few weeks ago...finally we realized that he's dancing,
    he often does it when commercials are on (especially KAY-BEE
    stores commercial!).
    
    Linda
481.8teething possibly?DELNI::KEEFEWed Nov 07 1990 15:225
    My daughter is 11 months and has been doing that for several months
    now..I've always contribute it to her teething......  I assumed with
    her shaking her head no it was relieve some pain for her instead of
    tugging on her ears to relieve the pain....  now that she is 11 months
    whenever we say no that's what she does....
481.9< I HAVE A SHAKER TOO !! >CSS::POULINWed Nov 07 1990 16:1612
    My son will be one on Saturday, and about three weeks ago he started
    the head shaking show.  I've asked myself the same questions you have,
    but have come to the conclusion from reading these notes that it
    appears to be common. 
    
    I wrote it off as Brandon trying to be funny, since his brother and
    sister laugh at him everytime he does it.  He always has this huge
    smile on his face and I think he likes the breeze it creates.  I might
    add that he likes to bite on the end of his spoon and shake, now I must
    admitt when he does it I laugh at him too.
    
    Carole
481.10Are these replies helpful?NOVA::WASSERMANDeb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863Wed Nov 07 1990 17:027
    A lot of people have been saying my kid does this too, etc.  The
    basenoter mentioned that his son does it very frequently, every 2
    minutes he said.  Is that what other people are noticing too?  My son
    likes to shake his head back and forth a lot also.  I guess he likes to
    see things fly back and forth in front of his eyes.  But doesn't sound
    like this is what the basenoter was describing.  Basenoter?
    
481.11AIMHI::MAZIALNIKWed Nov 07 1990 18:077
    Yea, -1, I also felt like what is happening with .0 is more like
    the head shaking of a person with Parkinson's, not shaking no
    real fast (which my little boy used to do at around 13 months).
    Not that I'm saying I think .0's child has a disease, just that that
    is the type of shaking it is.              
    
    Donna
481.12Voluntary vs. InvoluntaryEXIT26::MACDONALD_KWed Nov 07 1990 18:169
    re: last two
    
    I tend to agree with you.  I believe that what others have described
    (and yes, mine does it too) is *voluntary* head-shaking and not
    involuntary as this note's title suggests.  Steve, maybe it *is*
    voluntary, but he just likes to do it a lot???
    
    - Kathryn
    
481.13De basenoter speaksSCAACT::RESENDEDigital, thriving on chaos?Thu Nov 08 1990 01:2116
    Y'all are correct.  Michael's shaking, for the most part, doesn't
    appear to be voluntary, or fast.  I can tell when he's deliberately
    doing it (I think).  
    
    This is more of a gentle, slow shudder where the head turns back and
    forth perhaps an inch to the right and left.  
    
    If we play the 'shake your head' game with him, it's obviously
    deliberate, faster shaking, and very even in rhythm.  The involuntary
    thing is not nearly as even.  
    
    I guess the key thing here is my perception of this as not appearing to
    be *deliberate*.  He's not in any pain or anything -- it's just curious
    behaviour that I'm trying to understand.
    
    Steve
481.14It can't hurt to ask the pediNOVA::WASSERMANDeb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863Thu Nov 08 1990 12:439
    This is going to sound goofy, but it sounds like Michael is doing the
    same thing that my *mother-in-law* does (!).  Whenever she's reading
    something, or looking straight at something for a time, her head moves
    back and forth a little, as if she can't keep it still.  My husband
    once mentioned that it was something neurological (can't remember any
    details), but it wasn't a problem. 
    
    Maybe just mention it to your pedi and see what he/she says.