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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
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Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

998.0. "breastfeeding jaundice" by CRONIC::ORTH () Wed Jun 26 1991 20:18

    I tried a dir/title=Jaundice, and got "no such note" so if this belongs
    elsewhere, feel free to move it!
    
    When Jacob got ready to leave the hospital, he developed jaundice. Now,
    this is not new to us, all of our previous three had had it to one
    extent or another (Joshua went under the bili lights for 3 days). But
    they said they felt it was jaundice caused by breastfeeding. So Wendy
    stopped nursing for 36 hrs., and he had a bottle. She pumped during
    that time. His bili count initially still went up, and they did a CBC
    to make sure it wasn't something more serious causing the jaundice,
    which it was not. The next day the bili count dropped 2 points and she
    was given the go ahead to nurse again (apparetnly, it is the cessation
    of nursing that gets them over the problem, and subsequent nursing is
    not *supposed* to bring the problem back). She did, he took to it fine
    again (or so we thought), and we scheduled his 2 week checkup. He
    appeared to us to be nursing well...approx. 20 min. on each side, every
    3-4 hrs. as long as we woke him up. Otherwise he'd go 5-6 hrs., and
    Wendy would get mighty uncomfortable!
    
    Well, at 2 weeks, he weighed less than when he came home from the
    hospital, and appeared jaundiced again. They did another bili count and
    another CBC. Sure enough, his bili level was way up, and his red blood
    count was high. Dr. said this indicated that he was dehydrated (blood
    was actually too thick, casuing a too high concentration of red blood
    cells). He felt it was the breastfeeding jaundice again. So we stopped
    again and gave him a bottle. After one bottle, we were astonished at
    the difference in him! Here was a baby who was almost never awake. He'd
    scream to be fed, then fall asleep nursing, and then sleep till he woke
    up or was woken again...all day long. After the first bottle, he stayed
    awake for nearly 2 hrs., in the quiet alert state, just staring at
    everybody and everything! It was amazing! and he kept it up after
    subsequent feedings, which he began to wake up often and demand on his
    own. The most amazing thing was that in less than 48 hrs., the bili
    level dropped 7 points, which the doctor said was unheard of! And he
    was no longer dehydrated. In those 2 days, Wendy could barely get any
    milk when she pumped...she had literally dried up. Needless to say, she
    was very reluctant to try nursing again! The doctor said it *probably*
    wouldn't happen agian, but then again, it shouldn't have happened the
    second time! We chose to leave him on formula, and he has gained back
    up to a bit over his birthweight (at just about 3.5 weeks), and grown
    1.25 inches.
    
    Has anyone else ever experienced this breastfeeding jaundice? This is
    the third out of four children we've had that's had difficulty nursing
    for one reason or another. This is the first for this reason...we were
    literally starving him! Apparently the jaundice made him extremely
    sleepy, so that he couldn't suck hard enough to get enough milk (even
    though he appeared to be nursing fine). So he was gettign dehydrated
    from not enough milk, which made the jaundice worse, which made him
    sleepier.....you get the picture. It was a vicious circle of events.
    So, has anyone else ever heard of, or gone through this?
    
    --dave--
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998.1Don't give up yet!NEWPRT::WAHL_ROWed Jun 26 1991 21:4234
    
    Dave,
    
    Congratulations to you and your family - #4 right?
    
    I'll preface my advice by saying that I was VERY committed to
    breastfeeding and would have been HEARTBROKEN if I had to give it up.
    
    Don't throw in the towel yet! Your pedi should have the name of a
    lactation specialist, if not try the La Leche league - both options
    were lots of help for us.
    
    Our pedi told us that although jaundice is common, breastmilk jaundice
    is not.  The diagnosis is the most common reasons that new moms give
    up breastfeeding during the first few weeks though. If it is breastmilk
    jaundice, 24 hours of formula/water should take care of it for good. 
    
    Some of my nonprofessional advice:
    
    Have Wendy express some milk into a bottle, if Jacob drinks that as
    readily as he did the formula - you'll know he prefers the bottle, its
    easier to suck.  If Wendy has been engorged, getting the milk out has been 
    tough for him.
    
    After feeding on both sides for 10-15 minutes, offer him a bottle of 
    formula, if he drinks more than 1 or 2 ozs of formula, breastfeed him more
    often. The supply will increase with the demand. Also, pumping
    in between feedings will help increase demand.  
    
    My arms ache to hold a little one again ....Lots of love and blessings
    to your whole family.
    
    Rochelle
    
998.2I've seen itCSSE32::RANDALLBonnie Randall Schutzman, CSSE/DSSThu Jun 27 1991 13:0427
    Dave, 
    
    This happened to the wife of a coworker several years ago.  As
    with your child, the jaundice resumed whenever she resumed
    breastfeeding.  This is rare, but it does happen.  This woman's
    doctor told her that her baby was essentially allergic to its
    mother's milk. . . 
    
    If your wife's milk supply dried up that fast, and the baby is
    flourishing on formula, I'd go ahead and go with it. 
    Breastfeeding is very satisfying for the mother, and worth putting
    some effort into, but the real goal is to feed the baby.  Not
    breastfeeding this one is not going to cause it to grow up into a
    depraved criminal or a psycho case.  I breastfed one baby,
    formula-fed the other two, and they're all equally happy and
    healthy.
    
    Besides, if you bottle-feed this one, *you* can get some of the
    joys of feeding a baby.  That was one of the main reasons we opted
    for bottle-feeding Steven -- he was my second but my husband's
    first, and he admitted he would feel VERY left out if I were the
    only one who got to feed the baby.  Even when I nursed David, we
    had Neil give him a bottle of breastmilk every day.  I don't know
    if you've been doing this in the past but it's definitely a
    benefit to both baby and father.
    
    --bonnie
998.3more infoCRONIC::ORTHThu Jun 27 1991 18:0744
    Thanks, Rochelle and Bonnie,
    
    We have had 3 bad, one good experience with breastfeeding. Our first
    got lots of bottles in the hospital, because he stayed after Wendy came
    home. He did get breastmilk, though, as she pumped. After he came home,
    we nursed for one month, but after one month, and supplemental bottles
    after nursing, he still didn't hit his birth wieght. Dr.s called it
    "failure to thrive", and we went to bottlefeeding at their suggestion.
    Josh grew 2 inches and gained nearly 3 lbs. in 10 days! That sealed it
    for us...we stuck with bottlefeeding for him.
    
    #2, Carrie, nursed perfectly from minute 1, never had a problem, and
    nursed for 9 months when she gave it up on her own.
    
    #3, Daniel, nursed wonderfully in the hospital, and then developed a
    severe yeast infection in his mouth (thrush). He wouldn't eat anything
    well, but would tolerate a bottle somehwat. He wouldn't even attempt
    breastfeeding (at 13 days old went 12 hrs without eating, screaming the
    whole time, rather than breastfeed). Dr. said it was probably too
    painful for him, as it requires much more strenuous mouth movements,
    and thrush to the extent he had it was painful. It took nearly 3 weeks
    for the thrush to fully resove, and he never would nurse again (every
    time we tried, he lost weight rapidly) Wendy did pump and he got mostly
    her breastmilk for the first 6 weeks.
    
    #4, Jacob, went through what I described above. By this time, we know
    that bottle fed children can thrive just as weel as breastfed. Both
    have their easier and more difficult points. In actuality, it is
    somewhat easier on Wendy to bottle feed, with 3 outher children under
    the age of 6 in the house, because someone else can help out with the
    feeding...it doesn't have to be 30-45 of her undivided attention when
    he's hungry. She was also told, by 2 doctors, that since this had
    recurred twice (*very* unusual), that it was farily likely to happen
    again. We just didn't think it worth it to test it out. So he is on
    formula and grtowing and gaining like crazy, making up for what he lost
    in the first several weeks of life. 
    
    I *do* enjoy feeding him, Bonnie, you're right! Except at 2:00
    a.m....................
    
    Still curious just how common this is....seems like we've hit an
    unusual string of breastfeeding problems!
    
    --dave--
998.4rare is rightCSSE32::RANDALLBonnie Randall Schutzman, CSSE/DSSThu Jun 27 1991 18:295
    I think you're right about the rareness, Dave --  I think my
    coworker's wife said that the odds of it happening were something
    like 1 in almost 10,000 births.
    
    --bonnie
998.5What a beautiful tan...NOVA::SPIROMon Jul 01 1991 22:2250
Our first child, Emma, had breast-milk jaundice. It was somewhat disconcerting
especially since Emma was our first child.  However for a variety of reasons,
my wife, April, nursed Emma the entire time and we never had any problems. 

The reasons we stuck with the nursing were: 

We had a liberal pediatrician, and even though Emma's bilirubin was somewhat
high, it never got dangerously high, so our pediatrician recommended April
continue nursing.

April had alot of milk and Emma thrived on the nursing, so no problems there.

Another pediatrician at the clinic had a child with breast-milk jaundice
and had continued nursing, so the our pediatricians was familiar with
the scenario.

All family members, were strongly supportive of nursing, my sister was a 
La Leche League leader at the time.

Anyway the interesting thing was there was this other pediatrician
at the medical school that was doing a study on breast-milk jaundice,
this was in Madison, Wisconsin, and he was all excited to find us
and get some real live data.  So one of the experiments we tried was
to have April express, then we warmed the milk to some temperature, then
fed it to Emma.  The theory was that this was going to breakdown whatever
caused the jaundice. Anyway once I broke the jar the milk was in, April
was 'out' of milk, and Emma wanted some, so we canned that experiment.

Then when this research pediatrician found out I was Greek, he got even
more excited.  It turns out, he had done some studies in Greece, and there
is a higher than normal incidence of breast-milk jaundice in Greece and other
Mediterranean countries.  So he took my bilirubin count, and sure enough
it was higher than normal! So I got classified as having Gilbert's Syndrome
(sp?). Furthermore he then wanted to me to do this experiment where I had
to swallow this 'string-pill'.  It was essentially a piece of string that they
would tape onto my cheek, and I had to swallow the other end so it would sit
in my stomach, and he wanted me to sleep a whole night like that! Then they
would pull it up and be able to test something or other on the end of
the string.  At that we had a good laugh, and called an end to the experiments.
I mean, we were only willing to do so much in the name of science!!!

So the end result was that Emma was nursed until she gave up nursing
voluntarily at 14 months.  This was probably influenced by the fact that
April got pregnant again at that time and it seems the breast milk changes
taste when the mother is pregnant.

Our next two children were also nursed, and neither of them had breast-milk
jaundice.

-peter