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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
Notice:READ 1.27 BEFORE WRITING
Moderator:CSC32::DUBOIS
Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

530.0. "What about wine in foods????" by DPDMAI::RESENDE (Digital, thriving on chaos?) Thu Nov 29 1990 02:00

    We're just starting to get Michael into table foods.  He's been doing
    Cheerios, banana slices, etc. for some time, but now we're giving him
    *real* food like chicken, vegetables, etc. from the table.
    
    My question is about the preparation.  Pat uses wine in her cooking
    very often - a little red wine in beef stew or spaghetti sauce, sherry
    in the turkey tetrazini we had the other night, rice wine in stir-fry
    meals, etc.  A large number of the meals she fixes contain some form of
    alcohol in a small quantity.
    
    Can we give such dishes to our 10-month old son safely?
    
    Steve
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530.1TLE::STOCKSPDSCheryl StocksThu Nov 29 1990 10:307
    My understanding is that the alcohol mostly (all?) evaporates during
    cooking.  But I would suggest checking with your doctor.  What we do is
    just leave out the alcohol from those recipes that normally have
    cooking wine, substituting plain water or chicken broth or some other
    liquid to make up the difference.  Still tastes fine to me!

							cheryl
530.2FDCV06::HSCOTTLynn Hanley-ScottThu Nov 29 1990 11:294
    Actually the evaporation is true. I have a close friend who is AA and
    has told me that wine in cooking is fine, but please don't use wine
    vinegar as the alcohol is retained. 
    
530.3Questions...CECV01::PONDThu Nov 29 1990 12:1810
    If the alcohol evaporates, what remains to give flavor to the food?
    
    Also, I use wines in beef and chicken (crock-pot) stews.  There's alot
    of liquid to contend with in the finished meal.  This is all
    non-alcoholic?
    
    I've been thinking about this same issue; glad you brought it up!
    
    LZP
    
530.4NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Nov 29 1990 13:145
Alcohol is flavorless.  Think vodka, which is alcohol and water  -- any flavor
that vodka has comes from impurities.  Since alcohol is much more volatile
than water, I think that even in a liquidy dish, all the alcohol will have
evaporated.  This would be particularly true of crock pots, with their
loose-fitting lids and long cooking times.
530.5Wine Adds FlavorSUCCES::JORDANThu Nov 29 1990 15:093
    I believe what's left after cooking with wine, once the
    alcohol evaporates, is the sugar.
    
530.6If you care about such thingsWINDY::SHARONSharon StarkstonThu Nov 29 1990 15:259
Many wines have added sulfites and have urethane contamination from processing.
Grapes are also one of the crops often cultivated with a lot of pesticides
and fungicides.

I realize the contamination is in line with what people get from mainstream
food production methods.  Just worth deciding if you want an additional burden
to a small person's immature system.

=ss
530.7The label will say, for example "12%"MINAR::BISHOPThu Nov 29 1990 19:4512
    Wine is about ten percent alcohol--the other ninety-or-so
    is water and flavorings.  When you cook, the alcohol
    evaporates, as does some of the water, leaving the flavors.
    
    Flambe'ed items, if left to burn out, are also largely
    free of alcohol--what doesn't burn is evaporated by the 
    heat of the flame.  
    
    Only if the alcoholic beverage is added after cooking will
    significant amounts of alcohol remain in the food.
    
    			-John Bishop
530.8No problem hereMAJORS::MANDALINCIFri Nov 30 1990 13:1411
    My son loves my beef stew and the recipe contains 1/2 a bottle of wine
    and black coffee. He never had any reactions to it and the alcohol
    evaporation theory is correct. I guess he just likes the flavoring that
    wine adds!! As for the caffine, who knows if he had any reaction to it
    (but it was only about 6 ounces).
    
    I personally would worry about the "alcohol" but as a previous note
    mentions there is alot of other stuff in wines that you personally
    might be concerned about.
    
    Andrea.                  
530.9substitutesTLE::RANDALLBonnie Randall SchutzmanMon Dec 03 1990 12:3910
    When I'm substituting for wine or other alcohols when I'm cooking,
    I find I sometimes need to add about a quarter cup of vinegar or
    lemon juice to make up for the acid in the wine.  In dishes like
    stews the acid helps break down the tough fibers in the meat.  It
    also adds a bit of flavor. 
    
    There are about a million things you can substitute.  Try V-8 in
    spaghetti sauce, or save the liquids you cook vegetables in.  
    
    --bonnie
530.10RDVAX::COLLIERBruce CollierFri Dec 07 1990 19:2417
    .9 > There are about a million things you can substitute. 
    
    My standby is Apple Cider, supplemented as appropriate by vinegar,
    lemon juice, or the like.  And any true cook knows that using enough
    cumin is more important than what liquids you use, anyway (I buy it by
    the pound).  V-8, on the other hand, is close to pure sodium; most
    definitely NOT a health food.
    
    I try to freeze enough gallons of apple cider over winter and spring to
    tide us over that horrifying period from about June through September
    when one can't get unadulterated (i.e. unfiltered and unpreservified)
    fresh cider around here.  Midwesterners (bless our little hearts) are
    smart enough that some Vendors take care of this problem (I pig out
    when I visit there in August).  I don't know why my dear adopted New
    England Yankees (only a Yankee can sell true apple cider) are still too
    dumb.
    			- Bruce
530.11but it tastes goodTLE::RANDALLBonnie Randall SchutzmanMon Dec 10 1990 12:357
    >V-8, on the other hand, is close to pure sodium; most
>    definitely NOT a health food.
    
    Good point, Bruce -- when I substitute V-8, I cut out the other
    salt in the recipe.
    
    --bonnie
530.12Europeans drink wineNRADM::TRIPPLTue Dec 18 1990 16:0219
    I remember my high school French teacher saying that in many European
    countries the water is so poluted that everyone, including children,
    routinely drink wine with meals.  
    
    My mother told a story often, of having company at the house for
    dinner,including wine when I was about 2.5, and they retired to the 
    living room for coffee, and I proceeded to polish off the rest of the wine
    bottle!  Me drain-bamaged??? of course not!  The other joke after that was a
    favorite uncle who annually gave me a nip size bottle of wine for
    Christmas, he made it clear that was *my* wine!
    
    I still prefer a glass of wine now and then over other alcholic
    beverages.
    
    As others have stated, the alcohol does cook out.  If you're *that*
    concerned about the alcohol content, the why not cook with St. Regis or
    some other alcohol-free wine?
    
    Lyn