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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
Notice:READ 1.27 BEFORE WRITING
Moderator:CSC32::DUBOIS
Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

341.0. "Educational integration" by ISLNDS::AMANN () Tue Sep 18 1990 13:42

I'd like to hear your views on the latest educational approach - integration of
physically challenged and learning disabled children with those who are not 
physically challenged or learning disabled, from the earliest grades.

My wife is an elementary school teacher who is taking a graduate 
course on special education with other teachers at Lesley college.  
In her course they discussed this integration approach, 
which essentially eliminates resource rooms and learning centers and, therefore,
goes beyond the concept of mainstreaming.  (In mainstreaming a physically
    challenged and/or learning disabled child gets
help with his or her specific need in a one-on-one or small group
setting, but is mainstreamed with non-learning disabled and non-physically
challenged children as often as appropriate, as agreed to by the parents 
and school authorities.) 

The instructor said that many school committees, school authorities and 
taxpayers were so concerned about special education budgets that this
type of approach was becoming a necessity, and was already being tried out
in a few places.

A videotape was shown of the approach.  In the videotape there was a
blind child doing work in one corner, another child in another
work area saying "I can't do this," and being consoled by one of his
peers ... "sure you can, I'll help you."  In another corner of the
room a child was constantly slamming a chair down on the floor, and 
the teacher went to the child and explained that such behavior
was inappropriate.

Most of the teachers at this course thought this approach was wonderful.
The instructor clearly saw it as the wave of the future.  What are your
thoughts about this integration approach at the elementary school level?
                                        
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341.1NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Sep 18 1990 14:176
It may work with physical handicaps, but I think it would be disaster with ADD.
People with ADD need minimal distraction and background noise to function
on a normal level.  If they're talking about putting ADD kids in a class
with 25 other kids, they're clearly not going to get this.  It might work
if the class size is small enough, but since the purpose seems to be to
cut costs, this is unlikely to happen.
341.2My opinionMAJORS::MANDALINCITue Sep 18 1990 15:1337
    I also feel that this approach would work fine with physically
    challenged students but could have some big drawbacks for the learning
    disabled child. I cannot imagine one teacher and and aide trying to
    find the balance of things to teach both types of students in the same
    classroom. I would be very upset as a parent if I found my child was
    not being taught the things a non-learning disabled child is expected
    to learn during those elementary years because they had to slow down
    for learning disabled children. It would be a great dis-service to both
    types of students - one wouldn't learn what they could and one wouldn't
    learn at all because the teaching was not tailored to their needs. 
    
    If the program is talking about having learning disabled and physically
    challenged students in the same environent with the appropriate
    teaching staff for each type of student, then fine. I would not want my
    child held back so the pace could be slower for those who need it (I'm
    also of the same philosophy with traditional classrooms - within reason).
    
    The integration sounds wonderful on paper but I cannot imagine every
    school suddenly making the switch. If 1 teacher could handle 20
    (approx) non-disabled students and 1 teacher could handle
    5 (approx) disabled children, and you now try to have 2 sets of 10 
    non-disabled and 3 disabled students with one teacher each, the value
    of the education will have to go down or you have to higher more staff.
    We cannot afford for the value of the American education to go down any
    lower nor can many school systems afford more staff. 
    
    I would love to see my children in an educational environment where
    they are exposed to disabilities. I think alot more headway has to be
    made with that integration, but not at the expense of the education
    that can and should be offered to ALL children. Just because a child is
    learning disabled or physically challenged doesn't mean that they are
    not still a child that likes to be with other children. I can see more
    of a mainstreaming approach taken with this suggested program.
    
    Just my opinion (for now)...
    
    Andrea                                                        
341.3RADIA::PERLMANTue Sep 18 1990 21:2426
I never understood why anyone would consider segregating physically
challenged.  Is it true?  If a kid were in a wheelchair would they not
be mainstreamed?  If that's true, why would that be?  Is it because the
other kids would be jealous because that kid got out of phys ed class?

Certain things I wish they would mainstream.
My daughter's 4th grade class learned sign language.  It would
have been ever so much more fun if they could have had an excuse to use it
regularly.  (Likewise with any foreign language -- it would be nice to
have someone fluent in it to practice with.)

On the other hand, I also think it's important to segregate based on
skill levels in all subjects.  I know my son, who was very behind on fine
motor skills felt overwhelmed with trying to keep up.  Having him struggling on
the bottom of the class was terrible for his self esteem.  And for a kid
ahead of the class in a subject, it is a disservice to them and the rest
of the kids to keep them in the class.  If you want cooperative learning
where the more advanced kids help the less advanced, then fine.  When the
more advanced kids aren't busy learning things on their own level, they
can act as tutors.  I think it would be great for a kid that really struggled
to learn something to act as a tutor to someone else (maybe a younger
child).  Great for his self
esteem.  Great for really cementing the skills.  But having something like
a math class where kids are all at different levels, and where presumably
the teacher aims somewhere in the middle seems crazy for anyone not in
the middle.