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Conference moira::parenting_v3

Title:Parenting
Notice:READ 1.27 BEFORE WRITING
Moderator:CSC32::DUBOIS
Created:Wed May 30 1990
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1364
Total number of notes:23848

317.0. "A Climber's mother needs help!" by MRCSSE::POPIENIUCK () Fri Sep 07 1990 19:50

    As I sit here typing with little toothpicks to keep my eyes open.
    I must ask a question that has been haunting me (literaly).
    
    What do you do when your 18 month old child turns into a monkey?  Not a real
    moneky! But, a child that seems to climb instinctively.  In the
    beginning the climbing of the chairs, tables, etc., was cute, showed
    great coordination, all the cute little baby buzz words.  BUT, now 
    it is a royal pain!  The child has progressed to climbing out of
    his crib, he does it was such ease and grace and within 2 seconds
    flat.   Yesterday morning my dear son came into my bedroom, package
    of pringles potatoe chips in hand and a few in his mouth and then 
    proceeded to jump on my head.  There is nothing worse in the morning than
    being greated with sour cream and onion chip breath! Ooops, wait a
    minute, I take that back.  Getting awakened at 4:30 in the morning
    by a twenty something pound baby jumping on your back is worse. That
    is what happened this morning, almost forgot.  I must be 
    beggining to loose my mind from lack of sleep!   
    
    So the question dear noters, is how do you handle this situation.
    Keep my cool, I'm trying. Babyproof the house,  it is.  Tie the child
    to the crib posts, I've thought of it, but can't do that, can I?
    
    Thanks,
    Chris
    
    
    
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317.1try a gate...MORO::NEWELL_JOJodi Newell - Irvine, Calif.Fri Sep 07 1990 19:5912
    Put a gate up in his doorway.  
    
    Our son climbed out of his crib at 15 months.  We took the crib
    down the next day, put a mattress on the floor and put a gate
    up to insure he wouldn't be making any midnight raids in the
    kitchen.  I didn't like the idea of putting a gate up but after
    several people here in notes suggested it, I decided to give it
    a try.  The gate solution as a way to keep your child safe 
    (if the room is childproof, of course) and instead of feeling 
    like I'm imprisoning him, I look at it as a huge crib.
    
    Jodi-
317.2Mine's a climber tooXCUSME::BARRYFri Sep 07 1990 20:299
    I also have a climber.  He's going to be 1 next week.  Yesterday,
    as I was putting clothes away in the bedroom, he climbed up on
    the childs table/chairs, over the STOVE, and onto the kitchen
    counter.  Talk about me almost having a heart attack!!  He's so
    quick!!  He'll probably start climbing out of the crib soon too.
    
    I agree with the gate suggestion.  Hopefully, mine wont start
    getting out of the crib...  He'll be bopping me on the head with
    whatever toy he can get ahold of... 
317.3hey thereMCIS2::WALTONFri Sep 07 1990 20:466
    No suggestions, dear, I just wanted to say
    
    
    		"HI"
    
    Me
317.4Few ideasMAJORS::MANDALINCIMon Sep 10 1990 11:3135
    My son didn't climb on the counters, tables, etc at that age (although
    he has discovered the fine art of pushing the chair to the counter and
    climbing up that way now at 2.5) but he was determined to get out of
    the crib when he was ready (18 months). The gate in the door didn't
    work for us because he even climbed/flipped over that. Finally, we just
    told him to come to our room first before he went down stairs.
    Our bedroom door is at the top of the stairs so it would be pretty
    difficult for him to get down the stairs without us hearing. Maybe try
    that - he must get you first before he goes anywhere. Tell him to
    gently tap your arm or something, not jump on you. It all starts now.
    
    Whatever you do, don't put a gate at the top of the stairs now because
    if he wants to go downstairs, he'll flip over it and tumble down the
    stairs. 
    
    No solution, just start setting some rules about him getting up by
    himself. We luckily have a little guy who either yells from his room "I
    waked up" or comes into our doorway and stands there until we say
    something. It may also be time to lock up the food but not at the risk
    of him getting into worse things (like a tool chest, the garage, etc). 
    
    Do you still use a monitor? It may be time to start using it again if
    you are a sound sleeper so you wake up as well and can "catch" him
    before he does anything or at least be prepared for a pounce!!!
    
    As for climbing on other things...you probably need rules about that
    now. Try getting him step (we used our 2-step kitchen ladder where he
    could hang on) so he can see what's up there. I used to get dinner
    ready with my "helper" by my side. He was much happier seeing what was
    going on and I was glad because he wasn't attached at the hip and could
    participate. 
    
    Good luck,
    Andrea
    
317.5future gymnastsTLE::RANDALLliving on another planetMon Sep 10 1990 14:4439
    As the mother of a daughter who climbed out of her crib before she
    could even walk well, and even navigated to the top of the
    refrigerator before she was a year old (opened the door and used
    the shelves as a ladder . . . ), there isn't much you can do to
    physically stop your son.  A child who climbs that well won't have
    any trouble climbing over a gate and often looks at any such
    attempts at restraint as a new challenge.

    All I could do was try teach her how to climb safely and to lay
    down some rules about when and where and why.  I taught her to
    climb down things backwards, for instance, and to make sure the
    back of the chair was turned so that if she slipped, she wouldn't
    bump the back and knock the chair out from under her.  That kind
    of stuff.

    A gymnastics/body movement/dance class might help -- it might help
    him vent his urges to climb, it will teach him some safer ways to
    handle his body, and if he's got this ability, he might even be
    good at it.  Kat competed in gymnastics for several years and is
    now a dancer.

    I also imposed the "wake me up before you go anywhere" rule.   If
    it's too early, you can just firmly take him back to his bed and
    put him there and tell him he can't get up until x time (until he
    hears Mom in the shower, until the sun shines in his room, until
    Dad comes to get him, whatever works for your house.)  Have him
    call you if he's not sure.

    I left the side of Kat's crib lowered so she could get out without
    falling.  

    When she was a little bit older, and could be trusted a little
    more, I used to leave her bowl and Cheerios and stuff where she
    could get at them.  She'd get up and give herself breakfast by the
    time she was two or so.  And she ate more when she fed herself
    than when I did it for her . . . but I'm digressing.

    --bonnie

317.6Two gatesHYSTER::DELISLEWed Sep 12 1990 13:474
    Could also try putting up two gates, one above the other, if he starts
    flipping over the one.  Good time to start imposing "rulse", they have
    to learn sometime.  Luck to you.
    
317.7RDVAX::COLLIERBruce CollierThu Sep 13 1990 20:2712
    The early morning problem might be alleviated by keeping him up later
    at night, so he sleeps later in the morning.
    
    The more general problem of unsafe climbing will require (among other
    things) his learning that falls can be painful.  Some kids learn this
    easily and quickly (perhaps too much so!), and some not; almost none
    learn it by being told!  Parental Responsibility actually calls for you
    to allow painful falls; what you're supposed to try to discourage is
    serious injury.  If you don't believe me, look it up in the instruction
    manual.
    
    		- Bruce
317.8State of the Art climbingMSBCS::BEAUREGARDMon Sep 17 1990 18:4962
    All three of mine were/are climbers and 17 month old Seth has taken
    Climbing to state-of-the-art and has proven to be quite a challenge to
    keep him safe. About all I can add to what has been suggested is a
    ditto to
    enforce rules, such as returning the little wanderer back to bed ,
    saying no when he or she pushes a chair up to the kitchen sink (to
    climb into the sink...) and making sure the chair goes back to where it
    belongs.  Also - recheck the childproofing - you need to "upgrade" on
    this because they can reach all kinds of things they couldn't just
    yesterday.  Here are some suggestions: keep your toaster and and other
    countertop appliances unplugged.  Check the inside of your toaster
    before using if you suspect that your Climber was anyway near it. 
    If you have bunk beds you may want to keep them un-bunked. (Keeping the
    ladder under the bottom bunk so the Climber can't climb to the top bunk
    is fine, but the State-of-the-Art Climber will use the headboards or
    footboards anyway.) Keep your countertops cleared of scissors, pens,
    pencils, knives and other sharp objects.  Do Not even leave the room or
    area for a few seconds with these objects in reach 
     - for the Climber also is one
    who is an Opportunist - a very Quick Opportunist - and will climb and
    grab these objects as soon as your back is turned.  "Keeping out of the
    reach of children" when applied to the Climber means *locked up* and
    out of sight.  Something placed merely at unattainable (heh-heh)
    heights or behind a closed and not safety latched cabinet door is of no
    consequence to the Climber.  Also watch for him/her to figure out that
    pulling out drawers can get one to the top of a bureau.  (Have to be
    really careful here because he or she can also topple the bureau or
    whatever on top of him/her!)  The climber is also *Determined* - I've
    learned to keep tempting objects out of sight because the climber will
    try his darndest to get them. They also haven't much fear and think it
    is tremendously funny to have Mom or Dad climb up to the top of a
    playground slide to "rescue" them or pluck them from the slide ladder 
    (prying fingers loose) should said Mom or Dad be quick enough to get
    them before they reach the top of the slide. (Of course if you go up
    the
    ladder you run the risk of having the Climber go down the slide while
    you're trying to save him from killing himself.
    I only open my windows to a max of 7 inches or so because to a
    climber there is something fascinating about watching Mom run wild eyed
    and hearing that My Baby is going to get Hurt screech while sitting on
    a window sill and leaning against the screen.... And also be aware that
    the Climber can figure out things like if I climb that chair I can
    reach the top of the stereo, vcr, etc cabinet from which I can lower
    myself down onto the TV from which I can reach the mantlepiece....or at
    least try to....
     I moved a chair away from the vcr cabinet once Seth was able to reach the
    cabinet from the chair knowing what would have come next.
    Anyways - they help to keep your weight down because behind (literally) 
    every climber there is an exasperated Mom or Dad trying to keep up with
    him to get or keep him down...
    
    Annette B.
    
    p.s. But do I sense a certain amount of pride that seeps out of our
    "complaints" about our climbers?  Well ALL parents have braggin'
    rights....