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| 404.1 | pointer and clarification | TNPUBS::STEINHART | Laura | Tue Dec 08 1992 16:07 | 10 |
| Please see a general discussion about children with school attention
problems in note 368. This includes children who are not hyperactive
and do not have ADD. It includes strategies for dealing with
educators.
Please use this note to discuss clinical hyperactivity and ADD.
Thanks,
L
co-mod
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| 404.2 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Tue Dec 08 1992 16:13 | 1 |
| See note 9.5 for a pointer to the Learning Disabilities conference.
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| 404.3 | Long note | FDCV06::WILSON | Charlene | Tue Dec 08 1992 18:43 | 35 |
| Maybe I should clarify myself more now that I have seen what is in
those notes.
I am referring to a 5 month old baby. Hyperactivness in babies, that
are so overactive that you can just imagine what they may be like as
a toddler. I have a child already besides this one, so I know what I
am seeing is quite different from any child I have seen.
He is like a fish out of water and it is really getting more and more
with each week he gets older. Up until he was 3 months old, he was
very colicky so I am thinking that this type of personality was always
there but was just communicated that way. He is happy now but is so
active he can creep across the entire living room floor in 1 minute
and whenever you hold him to burp him he thinks he is on an excersize
machine and climbs right up you so fast that you cannot even hold on
to him. Terribly strong, his legs are like daggers, he never relaxes
and breaths very heavy like he is just so determined. I cannot even
give him a bath in the little tub anymore, he arches forward so much
that before I can even catch him, he dives himself underwater.
Even feeding him his food on spoon he has to vigorously help me with
putting the spoon in his mouth and grabs it every time, and grabs the
bottle with both hands and fondles it hard every minute. He even takes
a bite out of our shoulders so hard that even with no teeth he makes
a mark. I feel like it is beyond being a strong baby. He is a blast
but I would like to hear other people who have had hyper children tell
what their babies were like. I feel like he is going to stand up and
jump out of the crib he is so strong. He rolls over so much all night
that he is awake at all hours and he has not eaten at night since 2
months.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Charlene
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| 404.4 | | CNTROL::JENNISON | Walk softly & Carry a big Sword! | Tue Dec 08 1992 19:23 | 22 |
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Charlene,
Please consider that you may just have an active baby. I
have a book by Dr. Brazleton that compares a quiet baby,
an average baby, and an active baby, and have noticed that
Emily most closely resembles the "active" baby.
She too wakes frequently at night (rolling over), creeps across
a room in a minute, moves quickly, is very strong (has to hold
EVERYTHING that comes into sight, and has been holding her own
bottle since she was 3 months old). I took her out of the
baby tub at 5 months for the same reasons you described. She
likes the big tub better, anyway!
I'm certainly not qualified to make a judgement, but wanted
you to know that your description of your son sounds just like
my daughter, and her pedi thinks she's doing great.
Emily is 6 months old, btw.
Karen
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| 404.5 | another active baby | SHARE::HOUGHTON | | Wed Dec 09 1992 16:16 | 18 |
| sounds alot like my son. He thrashed around so much when he slept that at
2.5 months we had to put him in a crib because we thought he would knock
over the bassinet. He was always extremely active and still is. If you
take your eyes off him for one minute he is off and up the stairs in no time
flat. We put two pairs of pajamas on him at night because he will never
keep a blanket over himself. He just turned 19 months and I have
noticed that he has started to sleep with a little less thrashing. He
actually woke up this morning with a blanket on.
I guess I would just lump him in the active baby catagory. He certainly
is a lot of work and a monster baby in terms of activeness, but I still
consider it normal child development as does my doctor.
Good luck. I know at feeding time I could never tell how much actually
got in him vs on him (just wait until they insist upon feeding
themselves ;) ) I'm sure you will be kept on your toes!
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| 404.6 | COmments | FDCV06::WILSON | Charlene | Wed Dec 09 1992 18:35 | 10 |
| Thanks for all the input, I too had to get him outta that bassinet for
fear he would knock it over and he never stays covered at night. I
have to laugh at how different he is than my daughter, she was the
best natured baby and took to changes with no problem and has not
really had a LOT of tantrums, he however I feel like will be a
handful. Hubby has his hands full all day with him.
Thanks again.
Charlene
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| 404.7 | Sounds too familiar! | POWDML::CORMIER | | Thu Dec 10 1992 12:59 | 6 |
| Yup, sounds exactly like my son David. He just turned 3 yesterday, and
still hasn't stopped! He, too, was colicky (worst case the doctor ever
saw - 24 hours a day for 2.5 months!). He's a real climber, will jump
off anything, used to bruise my ribs when he was an infant with those
strong little toes trying to get a foothold and climb over my shoulder!
Sarah
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| 404.8 | HELP - ADD CHILDREN | NUTS::KANE | | Wed Feb 10 1993 11:16 | 43 |
| I hope someone can help me with a problem I am having with my seven year
old son and his school.
Last year my son was having difficulty in school (K), and I had requested a
complete core evaluation on him. They ruled out any physical problems,
but it was apparent that he has ADD (Attention Deficit Deficiency). This
means that he needs a structured environment. Academically he doing fine.
Socially he is not.
It was recommended that my son see a counselor a least once per week,
because he is showing a lot anger in him and he has a hard time controlling
his temper. I have seen a counselor and she keeps insisting that ADD
children do not need to be seen by counselor, and what really needs to be
down is to keep his life in a more structured fashion.
Another problem for my son, is that his father and I have divorced for
over four years now, and I had re-married last April. So there is a lot of
changes in his life.
Has anyone been in this same situation? If so how do you deal with it.
I usually get a phone call or a note home once per week, telling me about
my sons bad day. This week is especially rough for him I think because he
will be going with his father on Friday and they are DRIVING to Florida and
my son would like to go, but does want to drive.
My mind is so messed up with this whole situation that I am not sure what
the best thing for me to do.
I have one fault, since I have remarried, I have noticed that when my son
is in trouble, I don't talk to him, I actually yell and scream. I think
this is one problem that he can't deal with.
So
If anyone has been in my shoes, PLEASE write to me and let me know if you
have any tips or suggestion that I can have.
Waiting to hear from someone,
Terri
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| 404.9 | See Learning Disabilities notesfile | GAVEL::SATOW | | Wed Feb 10 1993 12:31 | 11 |
| Terri,
See note 9.5 of this conference for a pointer to the learning disabilities
conference. There is a wealth of information in there.
Also, where are you located? I know of resources in the greater Maynard area,
but that doesn't do you much good if you are located elsewhere.
I'll try to respond here or by mail when I have more time.
Clay
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| 404.10 | | NUTS::KANE | | Wed Feb 10 1993 12:49 | 7 |
| I Live and work in Hudson, MA.
I will also check out the other notes file.
Thanks for letting me know.
Terri
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| 404.11 | Get another counselor | GAVEL::SATOW | | Wed Feb 10 1993 15:29 | 49 |
| >Academically he doing fine.
Not uncommon for ADD kids in the early years of school. Long attention spans
aren't generally needed the first few years in school. Our daughter's
problems did not become apparent until fourth grade.
>Socially he is not [doing fine].
>It was recommended that my son see a counselor a least once per week,
>because he is showing a lot anger in him and he has a hard time controlling
>his temper. I have seen a counselor and she keeps insisting that ADD
>children do not need to be seen by counselor, and what really needs to be
>down is to keep his life in a more structured fashion.
Is it the school counselor? If the counselor is associated with the school
system, her opinions may be clouded by the possibility that the school may be
obligated to provide your child with resources that they don't want to
provide.
If it not a school counselor, get another counselor. A counselor who is not
convinced that a child (or adult, for that matter) should be seeing her/him
won't do the child any good, and in fact may be harmful. In getting a
counselor, make sure that you get one that is experienced (preferably one who
specializes) in dealing with ADD kids.
<Flame on>
We obviously don't have the full story here, especially about what your son's
social problems are. But based on what I see here, the counselor is
abysmally ignorant to the point of incompetence. A child who is having
social problems for reasons that he doesn't understand, and even if he does
understand is not capable of correcting DOESN'T NEED A COUNSELOR? How do you
create a "structured" environment on a school playground? I might buy an
argument that not all ADD kids need a counselor; I might even buy the
school's concentrating on the educational, as opposed to the social, aspect
of your son's condition. But if the ADD is causing social problems (very
common in ADD kids due to the inability to control impulses, and for other
reasons) the counselor is WRONG to say you son doesn't need a counselor.
<Flame off>
In fact a counselor may not be enough. A psychiatrist may be needed, since
the treatment for moderate to severe cases of ADD frequently includes
medication, which can only be prescribed by a doctor. (See the learning
disabilities conference for more on this).
Additionally, get help for yourself. There may be a support group near you.
Clay
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| 404.12 | Hyperactive? ADD? Symptoms? | POWDML::CORMIER | | Wed Jun 30 1993 18:31 | 16 |
| Is hyperactivity a description, or a condition? I had the opportunity
to meet a friend's 4-year old son over the weekend, and I've never seen
behavior like this! The child literally cannot control himself!
Running up to other kids, knocking them down. Running up to a pile of
toys, kicking them all over the floor. His parents simply scream at
him, which has little to no effect. He didn't appear to me to be
malicious in his behavior, but just seemed unable to keep from wrecking
things. All the other parents were furious with him, but I have a
nagging feeling of pity for him, that he needs some professional help,
and that his parents are denying his behavior is anything out of the
ordinary. His aunt, who is a very good friend of mine, said she has to
hold him by the shoulders and make deliberate eye contact to get him to
listen. Does this description set off any bells for anyone? I kept
thinking if I was armed with some good information, I could pass it
along to the aunt, who could influence the parents. Ideas?
Sarah
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| 404.13 | | GAVEL::PCLX31::satow | gavel::satow, dtn 223-2584 | Wed Jun 30 1993 18:48 | 11 |
| My take on this is that hyperactivity is a description of behavior that can
be caused by a number of conditions, one of which is ADD; other possible
causes are dietary (e.g. sugar shock, food dyes, antihistamines in some
children) and emotional. ADD itself is based on a description of behavior as
it pertains to age; that is what is hyperactive in an six year old may be a
normal activity level for three.
You can find a lot of information in the Learning Disabilities notesfile (see
note 9.5).
Clay
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| 404.14 | Looking for information regarding attention defici | ETPAC::DESOUSA | | Wed May 04 1994 16:37 | 32 |
|
This note is from a friend, any help would be appreciate.
Thanks in advance,
Jose' DeSousa
Looking for information regarding attention deficit/hyperactivity.
My son - 7 year old - 1st grade - having difficult in school, not able
to sit for too long and focus on lessons. Sometimes he claims it's
boring or does not understand.
School evaluation not definite that it is attention deficit but neurologist
says it is and put him on "Cylert" which at times makes him very talking -
even non-stop - and although he is doing better he still does not focus well
on lessons. With family and friends he is very friendly, can talk very
intelligent about anything from news to hobbies. Teachers and everyone admits
his long-range memory is excellent even though at certain moments he cannot
remember what he was just taught.
At times he is very unsure of himself and sensitive to some things and requires
more attention. At times he acts wild and crazy. Having difficulty with HMO
Blue paying for full evaluation, they think school should pay for it - not able
to get referral to a good hospital. STUCK IN THE MIDDDLE!
Would like to transfer pediatricians and go to someone at Children's Hospital
and start all over but do not know anyone there or where to start.
School also thinks Children's would be the best place to get a full evaluation
and also a nutritional work-up as he is very picky and sometimes will not eat.
Could his not eating be attributing to attention deficit. his food choices
are limited, will not eat fruit, chicken, pork, hamburgers, hot dogs. Will
eat pizza and occasionally peanut butter and a stack but the minute anything
tastes different or if there is fat in steak, he will not eat at all.
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| 404.15 | Check Learning Disabilities notes | LEDS::TRIPP | | Thu May 05 1994 16:16 | 8 |
| Look in the Learning Disabilities notes file. There is lots of
discussion around this subject. Including a multipoint checklist of
the symptoms.
(Mike G., where are you? You've probably got a ton more info on this
than I do.)
Lyn
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| 404.16 | | WWDST1::MGILBERT | Education Reform starts at home.... | Wed May 11 1994 17:31 | 8 |
| I'm here, been busy. I need to know whether this is
Mass. or not. If Mass. you need to understand your
rights under 766. If you wish the child COREd then
the school has to pay for it. While the school and
your HMO should be working together the issue here
is what is being done EDUCATIONALLY for your child.
If you would like more info read through the LD
notesfile and/or contact me offline.
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| 404.17 | if anyone knows of this, pls post... | EVER::LALIBERTE | GT&NS Tech Services | Tue Oct 17 1995 12:48 | 18 |
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Note 175.17 ADD Information wanted 17 of 17
DPE1::ARMSTRONG 11 lines 17-OCT-1995 08:52
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I've heard there will be an intersting show on PBS
about ADD. I think it will be very controversial.
It did not seem to be in this week's TV GUIDE, so
it may be on next week. I thought it would be shown
sometime between Friday and next Friday, or some
range like that.
Has anyone heard more? I dont want to miss it.
thanks
bob
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| 404.18 | here's the information | MKOTS3::ISBELL | | Tue Oct 17 1995 15:28 | 103 |
| I really hesitate to post this info. Based on the description of the
program I feel it will have a very negative impact on the way children
with ADD, AD/HD are looked at and treated within the educational
environment. If you consider how long it has taken most schools to
acknowldge the fact that ADD exists, and in most situations it still
takes just shy of an act from God to provide the classroom
modifications and support that these kids need.
But in the interest of the parenting community here goes.
PBS DOCUMENTARY INVESTIGATES A.D.D. EPIDEMIC.
Beginning Friday, October 20, at 10pm PBS will present a special report
about
A.D.D. "ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER: A DUBIOUS DIAGNOSIS?", examines
the
hidden factors that have created the current A.D.D. epidemic among
children
and teenagers.
The factors include misinformation about the disorder, pressure on
parents,
doctors, teachers, and children to diagnose and medicate, and the role
of
Ciba-Geigy, the pharmaceutical giant that manufacturers Ritalin, in
promoting "A.D.D. awareness". That role may come as a surprise to
thousands
of parents of children with A.D.D.
Are tens of thousands of children being incorrectly diagnosed and
improperly
medicated? How do young people feel about drugs like Ritalin? And
who
benefits when more than 2 million children and teenagers take
prescription
drugs to help them pay attention? These are among the questions
addressed
in
"ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER: A DUBIOUS DIAGNOSIS?". The answers may
surprise
you.
The program has been strongly endorsed by the National PTA, the
American
Federation of Teachers, the National Education Association, and the
National
Committee to Prevent child Abuse. PTA President Joan Dykstra described
the
documentary as "A wake up call for all parents and educators".
What follows is a partial list of upcoming air dates for "ATTENTION
DEFICIT
DISORDER: A DUBIOUS DIAGNOSIS?" If you don't see your city here, then
please
contact the programming office at your local PBS station for further
information or contact the producers at the address below.
New York, NY... WNET... Oct. 20th at 10pm.
Los Angeles, CA... KCET...Nov. 10th at 10pm and Nov. 12th at 5pm.
Chicago, IL... WTTW...Oct. 24th at 11pm
San Francisco, CA... KQED... Oct. 23rd at 11pm
Boston, MA...WGBX...Nov. 5th at 10pm and WGBH Nov. 28th at 10pm.
Washington, DC...WETA... Oct. 22nd at 6pm
Dallas, TX... KDTN...Oct. 22nd at 8pm.
Detroit, MI...WTVS... Nov. 12th at 5pm.
Atlanta, GA...WPBA... Nov. 14th at 11:30pm
Georgia (state wide) on Public TV stations-- Nov. 14th at 11:30pm
Seattle, WA... KCTS...Oct. 22nd at 10:30am.
Minneapolis, MN... KTCI... Oct. 23rd at 8pm
Tampa, FL...WEDU... Oct. 22nd at 3pm
Miami, FL... WPBT... Oct. 20th at 3pm.
Pheonix, AZ...KAET... Nov. 17th at 9pm
Sacramento, CA... KVIE... Oct. 20th at 10pm
All PBS stations in Maryland...Oct. 26th at 11pm.
San Diego, CA...KPBS... Oct. 22nd @ 2pm
Cincinnati, OH... WCET...Oct. 21st at 4pm
Milwaukee, WI... WMVS...Oct. 29th at 7pm.
Kansas City, MO...KCPT...Oct. 24th at 9pm
Columbus, OH...WOSU... Oct. 20th at 10pm
All PBS station in South Carolina... Oct. 20th at 10pm
All PBS stations in Oklahoma... Oct. 25th at 10pm
West Palm Beach...WXEL... Oct. 20th at 10pm
Scranton, PA...WVIA... Oct. 20th at 10pm
All PBS stations in Alabama... Oct. 20th at 10pm
Albuquerque, NM... KNME... Oct. 21st at 1pm
Schenectady, NY... WMHT...Oct. 20th at 10pm
Richmond, VA...WCVW... Oct. 29th at 10pm
Athens, OH... WOUB... Oct. 24th at 10pm
Knoxville, TN...WSJK... Oct. 20th at 10pm
Austin, TX...KLRU... Oct. 23rd at 11pm
Roanoke, VA... WBRA... Oct. 20th at 10pm
Rochester, NY...WXXI... Oct. 20th at 12:30am
Spokane, WA... KSPS...Oct. 22nd at 2pm.
Urbana, IL...WILL...Oct. 20th at 10pm
Springfield, MO... KOZK...Oct. 20th at 10pm
Pheonix, AZ...KUAT...Oct. 20th at 10:30pm
Chattanooga, TN...WTCI... Oct. 20th at 10pm and Oct. 24th at 2pm.
Fort Meyers, FL....WSFP.... Oct. 22nd at 11pm
All PBS stations in Mississippi... Oct. 20th at 10pm
All PBS stations in Vermont... Oct. 20th at 10pm
Alliance, OH... WNEO...Nov. 5th at 3pm
Evansville, OH... WNIN... Oct. 20th at 9pm.
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| 404.19 | thanks! | DPE1::ARMSTRONG | | Tue Oct 17 1995 15:38 | 7 |
| Thanks.
Better to see the show and know what is being put out there
than just to ignore it.
I suspect there will be a lot of truth as well as a lot of exageration.
bob
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| 404.20 | did anyone see Attention Deficit Disorder: A dubious diagnosis | SSDEVO::PHERSON | | Wed Dec 06 1995 16:13 | 7 |
| Well??? Did anyone see the program, was it worth while?
I missed it, but am thinking about calling our public television station
to see if it will be re-broadcast.
/jim
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| 404.21 | | PERFOM::WIBECAN | Harpoon a tomata | Wed Dec 06 1995 16:20 | 6 |
| I saw part of it, and felt it was mostly a discussion about unethical behavior
on the part of the Ritalin manufacturer and various doctors than a show about
whether ADD exists at all. Of course, any amount of fraud makes people suspect
all the legitimate cases, as is true with pretty much anything these days.
Brian
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| 404.22 | | CSC32::BROOK | | Wed Dec 06 1995 17:12 | 43 |
| >I saw part of it, and felt it was mostly a discussion about unethical behavior
>on the part of the Ritalin manufacturer and various doctors than a show about
>whether ADD exists at all. Of course, any amount of fraud makes people suspect
>all the legitimate cases, as is true with pretty much anything these days.
The trouble with ADD as I see it is that like so many things, it can be
a convenient label to get special consideration for a child ... there
can be little doubt that Ritalin HELPS a lot of children ... and so the
question then arises "Do all these children have ADD?" as if ADD were some
black or white / true or false thing.
ADD, like many other mental and physical ailments, is diagnosed on the basis
of a certain combination and number of non-specific symptoms, so as a result
diagnoses CANNOT be conclusive. (A non-specific symptom is one which is
not specific to any one ailment ... like a runny nose ... a specific symptom
is one like white spots on swollen tonsils!)
To complicate matters, many of these non-specific symptoms for ADD are some-
what subjective ... for example ... "Is the child distracted easily ?" Of
course he is if other children are doing something that interests him! They
TRY to eliminate subjectivity, but it's not completely possible.
Then of course, some symptoms may exist some times and not others, some
may be mild, others may be strong.
So, is it possible for ADD to be a "graduated" illness with differing degrees
of severity ? Of course it is ... but it's just one label. ADD or not ADD.
Is it possible for a child to suffer ADD today and not tomorrow ... ? Probably.
So, is it any wonder that children with behavioural problems end up being
tested ADD, and maybe found positive ? Whether they have true ADD or not ?
Then is it not possible that there are other behavioural traits that may be
impacted by Ritalin use ? Sounds plausible to me.
Then people like to have names for things they are dealing with. Their child
goes bananas in a store ... they get sympathy if the parent says "oh ... he
suffers from ADD" ... but scorn otherwise for having a disruptive kid.
What can you do ?
Stuart
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