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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

508.0. "Effects of radiation on a fetus?" by HURON::SHAILA () Fri Apr 30 1993 13:41

    My sister-in-law who is just over 2 months pregnant is in a quandry as
    to what she should do. She line of work is research in the clinical
    biology field (I cannot intelligently explain this). She does a lot of
    testing with DNA which involves the use of radiation. There are no
    regulations as to the level of exposure, etc. So as soon as she found
    out she was pregnant (about 3 weeks ago) she talked to her boss about
    the hazards of working with radiation. Since she does not know how much
    she is being exposed even with all the shields and gear that she has to
    wear she is afraid that her unborn child may be affected by the
    radition. Her boss who is also pregnant does not seem to care about
    this situation. 
    
    She changed groups in the company since the new group assured her that
    they will give her tasks that do not need the use of radiation, atleast
    while she is pregnant. A week later she is being asked to do "DNA
    labeling" which she tells me needs the use of higher levels of
    radiation than other tests that she does. She refused to do them on the
    basis that she was assured that she will not need to do this in this
    new group. Her immediate boss who assured her conveniently faded away
    from the picture. 
    
    She had called the Regulatory Commision, Pregnancy Hotline, etc do get
    some support. But all she is getting is literature on the possible
    hazards of radiation. She has even called a company that sells devices
    that can be carried on a person to measure levels of radiation that the
    person is being exposed to. They will come to her work-site to
    demonstrate the devices. Her lab has a device that signals when the
    area gets contaminated with radition but does not indicate the level
    itself i.e. how many RAMS (I think that is what it is, not sure). The
    company's radition specialist seems to be of no help. Except for one
    person no one is backing her. She even asked her OB to give something
    like a letter to her company simply saying that there are risks
    involved with working with radiation. But I guess it is not easy for
    the OB to give such a letter with any statistical data to back it up.
    
    Anyway, to make a long story short, what can she do? Has anyone worked
    in such an environment or know of someone who does and how they handled
    such a situation. She is worrying herself too much - which in itself is
    not very helpful during pregnancy.
    
    Any suggestions are appreciated, I will pass them along to her.
    
    Shaila
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508.1BCSE::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Fri Apr 30 1993 19:3317
    Wouldn't the "Right to Know" act cover some of this??  Go to the main
    lobby in your facility, and there should be a large poster with details
    explaining your "Right to Know".  I know that this includes what types
    of chemicals you're working with/near, but I think it may also extend
    further than that.  Either way, there's probably some type of reference
    on the poster as to who you could talk to for more information.  
    
    FWIW - I had an x-ray before I knew I was pregnant, of ribs/side.  They
    really didn't seem at all concerned about it, and said that there
    really isn't any possible problem until after you're further along, and
    the baby's "sticking out" more.  Of course this was just 1 x-ray, and
    not something day in, day out.  I would definitely consider finding a
    Dr. who feels a little more strongly about the potential negative
    affects of radiation on the baby.
    
    Good Luck!!
    Patty
508.2I delivered 2 while working at CERNGVA05::BETTELSCheryl, DTN 821-4022, Management Systems ResearchFri Apr 30 1993 19:3638
    Is this in the US?
    
    If so, there are strict legal limits as to how much radiation (the name
    is REMs) that a person can be exposed to depending on age, sex, and
    maternity status.  I know.  I delivered two babies while working at
    CERN, a center for high energy research.  During my pregnancy with
    Dirk I was actually working on a PET scanner (similar to CAT scans but
    using a different physical principle), where we would use radio
    isotopes injected in animals and then scan them.
    
    We all wore radiation badges which were checked once a month for
    unusual doses of radiation.  During the time that I knew I was
    pregnant, I avoided going in the room where the isotopes were kept but
    I didn't worry if I had to go in there or whatever.  After all,
    legally, the dosages in the room could not be above normal background
    and it was only if there had been some accident that I risked any
    exposure.
    
    There are devices which can be worn which monitor constantly the amount
    of radiation, similar to a geiger counter.  I wouldn't recommend them
    for anyone but an expert who really understands physics because there
    is an enormous amount of background radiation in the form of cosmic
    rays passing through our bodies every second.  This thing going
    click....click..click...click  etc, could drive a worrier crazy.  These
    are usually used only for people dealing with radiation in a risky
    situation.  Like having to go into a contaminated area.
    
    However, I am quite certain that if your sister-in-law is in any "civilized"
    country, there are laws which allow her to be exempted from any duty
    dealing with any type of additional radiation.  If it bothers her, she
    should take action.  
    
    If she needs more information, I would suggest contacting the health
    physics department of any university which has any kind of reactor or
    whatever on site.  They will be able to explain all the problems and
    options.
    
    Cheryl
508.3what are the statistics?SALES::LTRIPPFri Apr 30 1993 20:1918
    My assumption here is that your sister is NOT working at DEC.  and my
    first "knee jerk" reaction here is wondering if contacting some agency,
    and OSHA comes to mind, might be of any assistance.  OSHA covers
    hazards in the workplace.  FWIW, I have asked my  husband to contact
    you off-line, he works for EH&S and this is part of his job.
    
    The question I have is, has anyone who works for that department, say
    and does roughly the same job, successfully delivered baby, recently? 
    Was the baby healthy?  Has there been any high incidences of cancer
    among the workers?  If she can answer NO to these questions, then just
    a rough opinion that she will *probably* do OK.  I can't believe she is
    working in an environment with radiation and doesn't wear a dosemeter,
    which would measure radiation exposure.  In a simple way, what do x-ray
    technitians do?  Do they get a 9 month leave of absence from their
    jobs?
    
    Lyn
    
508.4ThanksHURON::SHAILAFri Apr 30 1993 20:339
    Thanks for the replies. I will pass on the information to her. I don't
    understand much about levels of radiation and such so I go by what she
    tells me. I think she is just worried since it is her first and in the
    US she says that there are regulations with respect to levels, etc in
    the workplace as such as hers. 
    
    Thanks again.
    
    Shaila
508.5US-MAHURON::SHAILAFri Apr 30 1993 20:341
    ....Oh yes, she works in the US - in Massachusetts.
508.6Probably no riskGVA05::BETTELSCheryl, DTN 821-4022, Management Systems ResearchSat May 01 1993 09:5021
    If she works in the US and she does not wear a radiation badge then
    that must mean that there is no requirement for it because the
    radiation dose in her work is below any levels requiring one.  The US
    Atomic Energy Agency is very strict on these things.  If you are at
    risk you must wear one.  It is not a matter of choice.  After all, if
    the employers exposed people to radiation without measuring it, they
    would be liable.  As I said, there are federal regulations which MUST
    be observed.
    
    And I would not go too much on what other workers have or have not had or
    done.  You would need the entire case histories of all people who ever
    worked there to provide reliable statistics on this.  If, for some
    reason, your sister-in-law managed to track down the one woman who,
    through no fault of the company, delivered a deformed child or lost a
    baby or whatever, it might terrify her for no justifiable reason.  
    
    The only way, in my opinion, to alleviate the worry is for her to
    inform herself about the law and make sure that the company is adhering
    to it.
    
    Cheryl
508.7Get away from radiationSALEM::GILMANTue May 04 1993 15:5710
    I suggest she do whatever is necessary to make sure the fetus is NOT 
    exposed to the radiation.  Aren't employers REQUIRED to reassign
    individuals who have health concerns regarding work?  This isn't
    even permanent.  The employer sounds off base to me.  They SHOULD
    respect her concerns and if they don't I would be even quicker
    to make sure I got appropriate action to remove the hazard.
    
    One has to watch out for themselves, and the offspring!
    
    Jeff
508.8TxACESMK::GOLIKERITue May 04 1993 17:0012
    Thanks for all the suggestions/comments. I agree with all who said that
    her concerns and her child's are more important than regulations and
    statistics. I have learned to not go by statistics. I tend to fall in
    the (1 - safe_probability).:-)
    
    She is doing everything she can but it is too much stress. The lack of
    cooperation she got made her so agitated that she had to take Friday
    off and stay home to cool off.
    
    Thanks again.
    
    Shaila