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Conference moira::parenting

Title:Parenting
Notice:Previous PARENTING version at MOIRA::PARENTING_V3
Moderator:GEMEVN::FAIMANY
Created:Thu Apr 09 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1292
Total number of notes:34837

1108.0. "He just dug in his heels & wouldn't go to school" by AKOCOA::NELSON () Mon Mar 18 1996 13:33

    This morning, our almost-8-year-old had a hard time getting started --
    nothing unusual there -- but when it came time to leave for school, he
    got really angry and stubborn.  "I'm not going to go...I'm going to run
    away to Chicago...If you touch me, I'll punch you..."  He had run into
    a neighbor's yard because he didn't want to go to school, I was going
    to drive him, since he refused to walk with my neighbor and her son,
    who is in the same class.  Let me stop right here and say that this
    literally NEVER has happened before!!!
    
    Thankfully my sitter, who lives only a few doors away, came down
    because she thought my neighbor was going to pick him up at her house,
    and here James had gone back down to our house with me.  So she came
    down, and between the two of us, James eventually calmed down enough to
    go to her house, have some breakfast and she took him to school.
    
    I called her when I got to work to find out how he was doing, and she
    said he told her that "Mom doesn't care about me at all.  SHe's always
    doing stuff with Holly [his sister].  I'm going to run away.  Mom never
    does anything with me, she never plays with me," etc.  
    
    I know he's having a less-than-great year in school -- we've talked
    about it openly and I've tried to be as supportive as I can.  His
    academic work is excellent, and I told him I think it's terrific he's
    putting forth this kind of effort.  The reason I've been "always doing
    stuff with Holly" is because Holly is currently in speech therapy and
    seeing a child psychologist to help her adjust to school, and she's
    going to go to a special language-based kindergarten next fall.  James
    knows some of this.  I do not know how much to share with the kids,
    because I don't want to worry them.  In fact, another child
    psychologist I consulted said to tell the kids the truth, but try to
    protect them from too much information.  And oh yes, James told the
    sitter that "she's always yelling at us."  Short of personality
    transplant surgery, what's a mom to do?
    
    Obviously I'm very upset about this.  I never know what is a phase with
    a kid and what is something I should worry about.
    
    Kate  
    
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1108.1WRKSYS::MACKAY_EMon Mar 18 1996 14:2816
    
    re .0
    
    First, hugs!
    
    IMO, an almost 8 year old can appreciate more details about
    Holly's problems and may be able to become more sympathic 
    about the situation. I don't think your son would be "burdened"
    by your feelings and concerns about his sister; afterall Holly
    is his sister and you are his mom. The misunderstanding or
    lack of understanding of the situation may be eating him up
    inside. Get him involved, bring him with you to Holly's
    appointment, etc.
    
    
    Eva
1108.2CSC32::P_SOGet those shoes off your head!Mon Mar 18 1996 14:327
    
    Another suggestions would be to set aside some time for
    just the two of you.  It might help him if he had you all
    to himself for a while, since it seems that he is jealous
    of the time that you are spending with Holly.
    
    Pam
1108.315 minutes a day works for us.....MROA::DUPUISMon Mar 18 1996 15:0216
    I agree with .2, my 9 year old and I just went through a similar
    experience and SHE told me that I am ALWAYS too busy for her.  So we
    agreed that each day I would give her 15 minutes of my UNDIVIDED
    attention (No phone, no tv (unless it's something she wants me to watch
    with her), no little sister, no SO).  Of course, her little sister
    wants the same so I switch days of who gets me first, we set the timer
    and go off together.  It has been about 2 months now and it works
    wonders.  We have also set up 1 day each month where I will give the
    two of them 1 hour to do whatever they choose (Barbies, puzzles, video
    games, etc).
    
    I know it is very hard to set time aside, but once you start it becomes
    easier to make a part of your daily routine.
    
    Good luck,
    Roberta
1108.4I thought it was the phase of the moon ....OOYES::WEIERPatty, DTN 381-0877Mon Mar 18 1996 19:1614
    
    Hmmmm - I was hoping to hear it was just 8 yr olds!!  Jason (who's 8)
    has just turned into another, MUCH less desireable child, over the past
    several weeks.  I keep saying "this will pass", and doubt myself more
    each time .... often he's rude and beligerant, and if I put my foot
    down he goes into the temper-tantrum, stomp-my-feet-up-the-stairs,
    punch-the-pillow, yell-mean-things mode.  And then the rest of the
    time, he's real cuddly and huggy and is "on" me more than the 2 year
    old.  This is *NOT* my Jason!! (who normally LOVES to laugh, and let's
    everything slide off his back!). 
    
    Seems like PMS to me!! (-:
    
    Kids!!  (-:
1108.5CSC32::P_SOGet those shoes off your head!Tue Mar 19 1996 10:4914
    
    Patty,
    
    I do think it is an 8-9 year old thing, though.  You just
    described my son to a "T".  He's like Dr. Jeckyll and 
    Mr. Hyde lately.  
    
    We laid down the law last week and he is doing much better.
    He knows that his dad and I are not going to stand for it
    and I have planned time to spend with him to talk about his
    feelings.  I think this will help him clear the air before
    he blows his top and resorts to becoming a monster!
    
    Pam
1108.6MROA::DUPUISTue Mar 19 1996 12:0124
    Patti,
    
    Everyone I talk to tells me that it's a age thing too, maybe hormones
    are kicking in early.  I can tell you the EXACT day Lauren became
    "possessed" - it was the evening of her 9th birthday party.  The party
    went great, most of her friends went home and she started becoming
    "show offy" in front of her remaining friends and I told her to watch
    how she was behaving and then it all hit the fan, she started screaming
    out of control, she hated me and where we live, she wants to go live
    with her father and on and on.  I was so shocked it took me a couple of
    minutes to recover.  I had her go in her room to calm down so that I
    could calm down too.  It took three different attempts to go in and
    talk to her without both of us screaming and not listening.  Once we
    were able to communicate she did share with me somethings that have
    been bothering her.  Unfortunately, she's a lot like me, she takes
    things that bother her and stuffs them away in a bag until the bag
    explodes.  Things have been a lot better since her party and we do have
    our time every day.  I still see some attitude and don't always care
    for how she treats her little sister, but she is working on it and I am
    trying to be there for her.
    
    I keep clinging to "this too shall pass"
    
    Roberta
1108.7can he help her?SWAM1::GOLDMAN_MAI'm getting verklempt!Tue Mar 19 1996 14:4040
    re: .0...
    
    My almost-8 year old (6/20) is also having a rough year -- it's his
    first year in a new school/state, I had a 2nd child last fall, and he's
    just very 7 right now.  He also complains that I don't spend any time
    with him, nobody cares, everyone spends all their time working or with
    Jake (baby), etc., etc.  Whenever he makes that statement or starts
    acting up, I make it a point to "drop everything" at my earliest oppty
    and spend some special time with him.  I took last Friday off from
    work, and spent the entire day with Joe.  Lots of the time was spent
    running bill payments around or other errands, but it was just us, we
    had a bite to eat together, and lots of chatting.  Later in the day we
    went to one of those pizza places with the huge arcade area and I let
    him run rampant with a $20 bill.  I thought we were going to do this
    alone, but he asked to invite his best buddy, so we took him along.  
    
    When Joe later complained that he didn't have any fun with *me*, I let
    him know that I had made myself available, but he chose to spend the
    time with Mike instead of me.  
    
    As for facts about Holly, as long as you present the information in a
    light that doesn't leave your boy a lot of room to tease his sister,
    I'd give him as much info as he can understand.  My baby has feeding
    and breathing problems which tend to take up a lot of my time and limit
    our ability to run off and do fun things (baby has to be nebulized
    three times daily, fed four times, etc., etc.).  I let him help me
    nebulize the baby or bathe him or help with the dishes, etc.
    
    Is there any kind of exercise that your boy can help your daughter
    with?  If, for instance, she needs to do flash card exercises to work
    on pronouncing words properly, your boy can do that as easily as you can,
    which would free you up to wash the dishes sooner (or whatever), and
    then you could spend the 15 minutes you saved with him...
    
    Just a thought, but I agree with prior replies that you need to make
    him feel included in what you are doing.  
    
    M.