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289.0. "Who is involved" by SUBSYS::NEUMYER (sun your buns) Thu Jan 24 1991 13:11

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Note 294.0   Busted for Nudity XI: No Joy from Supervisor Candidates  No replies
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From: djwalden@isi.edu (Dave Walden)
Subject: Re: Busted for Nudity XI: No Joy from Supervisor Candidates
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute
 
 
 brahm@nntp-server.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm) writes:
>The 1st District of L.A. County is holding an election for Supervisor
>tomorrow (1/22), due to court-ordered redistricting.  Many people hope
>that the new Supervisor will reduce the conservative bent of the
>current Board.  I took an informal survey of the top 4 candidates'
>views on allowing clothing-optional beaches in L.A. (attempting to be
>neutral in the phrasing of my question).  The results:
>
>  Sen. Charles Calderon:      Opposed
>  Sarah Flores:               Opposed
>  Councilwoman Gloria Molina: Opposed
>  Sen. Art Torres:            No response
>
>L.A. -- where even the liberals are conservative.  Oh well.
 
 
	   Asking a politician to go on record favoring public nudity,
	even if restricted to designated beaches, is expecting a bit
	much, even if he does favor it.  Given that most of American
	society considers public nudity to be a bit bizarre (at best),
	how could he/she possibly benefit from such a proclaimation?
	As I see it, with the definite trend toward urbanization of
	our coastline and the accompanying closing of traditional CO
	beaches to nudity, the only successful opposing force can be
	economic.  If the French West Indies is willing to tolerate
	partial and total nudity due to the importance of French and
	European tourists, if Greece, Spain and parts of Portugal are
	willing to do the same for Northern European tourists, then
	our task is laid out for us:  Encourage dependence on European
	tourism.
 
*	    Ahem...  But if you want to be realistic, I think the only
*	force in our favor is a very gradual relaxation of what the "eye"
*	perceives as "undressed".  The only trend that I can see in that
*	direction now is the thong.  If more and more females begin to
*	wear thong bikinis, female toplessness would gradually ease in
*	on the heals of its acceptance.  And alarm at "nudity" would
*	gradually give way to acceptance of nudity at certain beaches.
*	But politicians won't lead the way.  They generally only follow.
 
 
				Dave Walden
				djwalden@isi.edu

	RE: The last paragraph.

	What do you feel about this statement? I find it to be only half 
	the solution. Males need to be involved in this effort also!!

    Americans are so incredibly puritanical when it comes to nudity that
    this is no surprise to me. This country publishes some of the
    raunchiest magazines, has the most gross comedians I've ever seen but
    it's still intent in prolonguing the "innocence" of children all the
    way into their twenties!
    And anglosaxons think that nudity is sinful and would corrupt their
    young! Add to that the number of self-appointed morality guardians who
    are overweight matrons who couldn't possible accept their husbands or
    friends viewing well shaped young females and you get the picture. Or
    rather, you don't. Whatever!
     

    I think that he should have avoided wording his questions in a
    neutral manner.  Persons running for office are trying to
    please as many voters as possible.

    The campaign offices probably assumed that anyone who bothered
    to write was on a morality crusade, since the "live and let live"
    crowd doesn't ask these questions.

    If the question had been worded along the lines of "Do you think
    that it would be important to prosecute me?", he might have
    gotten different answers from some of the candidates.

    -Jeff

    
    
    	My comment was more refering to the last paragraph about the issue
    of female beach goers. It isn't only females who should be pushing the
    issue. Men can help by wearing thongs or g's to the beach also.
    
    ed 

Some of us do...:-)

B.

    I agree.  Don't expect women to carry the burden alone.  If we do,
    then it will become acceptable for women to wear thongs and perhaps
    even go topless, but men will still have to wear full trunks.  Besides,
    I like to see men in thongs.  So I'm counting on you guys to work with 
    me to push society into accepting partial nudity.
    
    Just don't try it in Ft Lauderdale, FL.  There's a town law forbidding
    thongs on the beach.
    
    Anne

    
    
    Count me in.
    
    PS
    
    	Don't they always show 'spring break' from that area? I could swear
    that I've seen a lot of 'rear nudity' involved.
    
    ed

    You're probably thinking of Daytona.  Certain sections of Florida are
    really clamping down on "obscenity":  2 Live Crew, Brazilian tongas,
    etc.