| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
|---|
| 10.1 | LET'S FOCUS ON ALL PEOPLE | USFHSL::MORRISON | | Sat Jan 30 1988 20:56 | 12 |
| ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE, MEN, CHILDREN, TEENAGERS, AND WOMEN ARE ALL GOOD
TO LOOK AT AS WELL AS ATTRACTIVE YOUNG WOMEN AND SO I WOULD HOPE
TO SEE THE CwS FOCUS ON ALL AGES AND GENDERS. CERTAINLY TO APPEAL
TO THE PHILOSOPHICAL THRUST (IF THERE IS ANY GENUINE APPEAL) OF
CLOTHING OPTIONAL LIVING, IT IS IMPERATIVE TO FOCUS ON AN EQUAL
EMPHASIS OF PHOTOGRAPHS ON CHILDREN, TEENAGERS AND ADULTS AT ALL
STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND IN VARIOUS POSES AND SETTINGS RATHER THAN
TIGHT MACRO SHOTS OF WOMEN ONLY. THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING OUTSIDE
IN A BEAUTIFUL AND COMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE EMPHASIZED
AND ATTEMPTS NEED TO BE MADE IN THE JOURNALISM TO COMMUNICATE THE
INVIGORATING EXPERIENCE OF BEING OUTSIDE UNCLOTHED, SWIMING, WALKING,
ETC. THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON THE SUBJECT.
|
| 10.2 | re: .1 | TALLIS::DEROSA | I := not(number) | Mon Feb 15 1988 20:32 | 19 |
| >< Note 10.1 by USFHSL::MORRISON >
> -< LET'S FOCUS ON ALL PEOPLE >-
.
.
.
> TO SEE THE CwS FOCUS ON ALL AGES AND GENDERS. CERTAINLY TO APPEAL
> TO THE PHILOSOPHICAL THRUST (IF THERE IS ANY GENUINE APPEAL) OF
> CLOTHING OPTIONAL LIVING, IT IS IMPERATIVE TO FOCUS ON AN EQUAL
> EMPHASIS OF PHOTOGRAPHS ON CHILDREN, TEENAGERS AND ADULTS AT ALL
> STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND IN VARIOUS POSES AND SETTINGS RATHER THAN
> TIGHT MACRO SHOTS OF WOMEN ONLY.
Doesn't this raise all sorts of interesting questions vis a vis
child pornography laws?
jdr
|
| 10.3 | Again: Nude is not lewd | SSDEVO::YOUNGER | Calm down, it's only 1's and 0's | Mon Feb 15 1988 23:16 | 10 |
| Re .2
I think that is a major point of CwS: Nudity is not pornography.
I don't view a small child or infant without cloths being portrayed
having a healthy good time as anything resembling pornographic.
But it is true - it could fall under the child pornography laws.
Elizabeth
|
| 10.4 | eye of beholder and all that | TALLIS::DEROSA | I := not(number) | Tue Feb 16 1988 11:11 | 12 |
| RE: .3:
But one cannot tell the difference. Is a nude person posing in
position xxxx pornographic while a person posing in position yyyy is
OK? There are cases at either end of the spectrum that will be easy to
figure out. The middle 80% is hard.
I could say that a picture of two people having sex is portraying
them having a "healthy good time."
jdr
|
| 10.5 | | SSDEVO::YOUNGER | Calm down, it's only 1's and 0's | Tue Feb 16 1988 17:51 | 39 |
| Re .4:
I agree with you pretty much.
However, in the case of child pornography, a child portrayed having
sex is *not* healthy nor a good time for the child. A child (for
example) building sandcastles on a beach in the nude is having a
"healthy good time".
In the case of adults, I don't think that whether it is pornographic
or not is as much of a problem. Pornography involving consenting
adults is for the most part legal. Pornography involving children
is not legal.
Pictures involving nude bodies and partly nude bodies has already
been shown to not be illegal. These things exist in medical textbooks,
which are obviously not pornographic. These things exist in other
self-help literature helping people (primarily women) discover how
their body works, and what is normal for it. This is not pornography
either. Many people no longer consider the nudes in Playboy to
be pornographic. Therefore, nudity by itself is not sufficient
to be pornographic.
Most people would agree that a picture of two (or more) people having
sex is pornographic. Even if they are not completely undressed.
Thus, nudity is neither necessary nor sufficient for something to
be pornographic. There must be another definition of pornography.
The legal definition of pornography is something that is "without
redeeming social value". Thus, the medical textbooks and self-help
guides are obviously not pornography. Journals such as CWTS have
redeeming social value, so I would say are not pornographic, but
there may be those who disagree about it having redeeming social
value. There are many violent films such as _Texas Chainsaw Massacre_,
which have no redeeming social value (in my opinion), but are not
classified as being pornographic.
Elizabeth
|
| 10.6 | CwS 7.4 Contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | Ontology Recapitulates Philology | Wed May 11 1988 01:07 | 32 |
| _Clothed_with_the_Sun_ issue 7.4 (presumably Spring 88) has just come
out. The contents include:
Trends (regular department) - Miscellaneous items of naturist interest.
Several viewpoints on the nudists who appeared (nude) on the Sally
Jesse Raphael television show to discuss nudism. Some feel that it was
a good opportunity to publicize nudism; others see it as
sensationalized and exploitative.
An article on what the American Indians wore (or, more often, didn't
wear).
Several articles on naturist gatherings, including the 1987 Western
and Eastern Naturist Gatherings (and why you want to attend the 1988
gatherings) and the Rainbow Gathering.
Gay nudism - miscellaneous short articles, including a article on the
1987 Gay Male Naturists gathering.
The 1987 International Naturist Meeting at Delegyhaza, Hungary, and an
extended discussion of the naturist facilities at Delegyhaza. (It
sounds wonderful!)
The 1987 visit of the German Naturist Youths (FKK) to Canada, and the
scheduled exchange visit of North American nudist youths to Europe.
Miscellaneous other items, reviews, viewpoints, personal contributions,
letters, etc.
-Neil
|
| 10.7 | CwS 8.1 Contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | A goblet, a goblet, yea, even a hoop | Tue Jul 05 1988 13:12 | 62 |
| I've just received _Clothed with the Sun_ issue 8.1. The contents
include:
Trends (regular department) - Miscellaneous items of naturist interest.
Growing Naturism:
Getting Started. Short articles on the founding of Northeast
Florida Naturists and the organization of Sandpipers Holiday Park
in Texas.
Bare Backpacking in New Hampshire (Starting a SIG).
Progressive Nudism (Changes in the ESA). How the Eastern region of
the ASA has become more democratic and more "naturist" in the last
few years.
Discard Old Attitudes and Build New Coalitions. Advocates
naturists building coalitions and getting involved with
environmental and social advocacy groups.
The Origin of National Nude Weekend in 1976. What inspired the
original event which the Naturist Society grew out of, and how
things are different today.
Photography Policy for Naturist Activities. There has been concern
about photographic exploitation in naturist circles recently,
particularly about the relationship between the photographer and the
subject, and about sale of "naturist" photos to pornographic
magazines. N.O.P.E. (Naturists Opposing Pornographic Exploitation)
has drawn up a set of proposed contract forms to regulate the relation
between the photographer and the subject (an alternative to the
standard model release form, giving equal ownership rights in the
photograph to the subject) and between the photographer and the
naturist publisher.
Secret Hawaii. Very extensive site listings and other information
about naturism in Hawaii. (Also historical and political
information.)
Body building. Introductory article on physical fitness and training.
Possibly the start of a series.
Cape Code Federal Court Decision Insults Justice. In 1975 the Cape
Code National Seashore imposed a special regulation banning nudity
(the only federal nudity ban anywhere in the country). Every time
someone has been cited and has tried to take the case to court, the
case has been dropped; so it has been impossible to get a court test
of the regulation. Therefore, The Naturist Society joined with a
group of individuals in filing a class action suit, Craft vs Hodel,
against the Interior Department, seeking an injunction against
enforcement of the ordinance. The District Court judge flatly
rejected the suit. This article appears to contain the entire text of
the decision, along with a lengthy commentary and refutation. Very
long; very tedious.
Nudity in the Bible. Continuation of an ongoing exchange about
whether there are Biblical grounds for opposing nudity.
Video, television, and book reviews.
-Neil
|
| 10.8 | CwS 8.2 Contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | A goblet, a goblet, yea, even a hoop | Tue Sep 20 1988 20:28 | 74 |
| 10.9 | Right ON | HPSTEK::SHERMAN | | Wed Nov 02 1988 11:45 | 28 |
| "N" for Naturist,Naturism, etc; "O" for Optionists, Optionism, etc.?
In one of the recent issues of CWS mention was made of utilizing
the UPPER CASE "N" as the symbol of Naturism, Naturist, etc. That
is a good idea.
But how about "O" to refer to those "Other", "Opionated",
"Obstreperous", "OPTIONISTS" who seem contentedly and constantly
complaining about "N" as if we somehow behave like they probably think
they would if they found themselves undressed on a beach! Actually,
they proably would be very surprised how well we (and they) really
behave sans suits.
Combinations:
NO == No Optionists?
ON == Only Naturists?
If ketchup is optional on a menu, I guess they might say "Ketchup
Optional." This seems to imply that going without Ketchup is the
norm. Obviously. Just as obvious "Clothing Optional" means that going
with out cloths is normal. I imagine the "O's" thought up the term
"Clothing Optional" because they disliked the alternatives. I have to
give them faint praise for the term, considering what it seems to
actually mean.
Stan/
|
| 10.10 | CwS 8.3 Contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | light upon the figured leaf | Fri Jan 27 1989 17:42 | 54 |
| Trends (regular department) - random items of naturist interest.
Includes a surprisingly gracious, but totally uninformative,
account of Nikki Craft's departure from The Naturist Society.
Letters.
"The Death of John Ball" - obituary - Ball, under the pseudonym of
Donald Johnson, was a major figure in American nudism for 40 years)
"Western Gathering '88"
Clothing-optional apartment complexes in Las Vegas and Austin, Texas
The toleration of nudity at county parks in the Austin vicinity
Winter vacation sites, updates & information:
South Padre Island, Texas
New Albuquerque, New Mexico naturist group
Palm Springs, California naturist hotels and bed-and-breakfasts
Silver Valley Sun Club, Barstow, California
"Great Spirit of the Hot Spring" - extended article on hot springs
Hawaii
Florida (including toplessness in Miami)
"Ships At Sea" in Florida, the Bahamas, and the Caribbean
Yacht Charters
Belize
Windjammer cruises
Turks & Caicos Islands
Jamaica
Guadeloupe
Club Orient resort, Saint Martin
Dominican Republic
Sorobon resort, Bonaire
Growing Naturism
The International Naturist Federation biannual congress
Progressivism in the ASA
Images in Photography - much more on the controversial issue of
naturism and photography - proposed policies, comments,
philosophical discussions, criticism, etc. Lots of good stuff.
review of the Velez "Skinny Dipping" series of naturist videos
"Humanism and Naturism"
"Spiritualism and Naturism"
Book reviews
etc.
-Neil
|
| 10.11 | How much is TNS membership? | SSDEVO::YOUNGER | GODISNOWHERE | Wed Feb 08 1989 17:13 | 5 |
| Does anyone know how much TNS membership is now? I know it went
up as of the first of the year, but can't seem to find anything
with how *much* it went up.
Elizabeth
|
| 10.12 | $30 a year | GENRAL::KILGORE | Cherokee Woman | Wed Feb 08 1989 17:59 | 6 |
| We just received a renewal notice. It is $30 per year, no discount for 2 years
which would be $60. Two people can be on the same membership providing you
have the same address but if you want two membership cards, each needs to take
out a membership.
Judy
|
| 10.13 | CwS 8.4 Contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | light upon the figured leaf | Tue May 16 1989 16:04 | 69 |
| _Clothed with the Sun_ will be changing its name with the next issue to
_*N* Nude & Natural_. [editorial comment: Yecch! -nf] (The new logo
is a large "N" with "NUDE &" printed within the top point and "NATURAL"
printed within the bottom point.) The theory is that "Clothed with the
Sun" is too obscure -- you don't get it unless you already know what it
means -- while "Nude & Natural" can be comprehended at a glance. [I
wonder if this means that they are finally planning to go to newsstand
distribution, instead of subscription-only?]
Trends - miscellaneous news items. (Includes a photo of a Finnish
presidential election public service billboard featuring a full nude
photo of a pregnant woman!)
Letters
Reports on the 1988 Eastern Naturist Gathering at Camp Akiba in
Pennsylvania
"The Politics of Breastfeeding" - random reflections.
A very positive review of _Growing Up_, a sex education book published
by the (British) Royal Society of Medicine. "The highlights of the
book, what makes it so special, are the color photographs of nude
people of a variety of body types from young childhood to adolescence.
... The photographs in the book were posed by naturist families and
others who are obviously comfortable with their bodies. There is not a
hint of titillation or pornography."
US Site Updates - Hawaii, Indiana, Massachusetts (including a batch of
sites in the Berkshires area), Minnesota, New Jersey, New York,
Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.
"Our Summer Retreat" - account of a couple's week at a secluded rural
cabin, with some "fantasy realization" photography.
"Nudity & the Law" - reports on "the first conference open to all
attorneys with an interest in any aspect of nudity and the law";
comments on the collapse of the Cape Code case; the zoning problems of
a new nudist campground in Virginia.
"Rochester Topfree Equality Actions"
"Piping plover preservation raises questions that Fish & Wildlife
Service should answer" - arguing that an active human presence is in
the best interest of piping plovers, which may, in fact, suffer the
worst predation from other animals when left to themselves.
"Growing Naturism" - the new Club Paradise at Paradise Lakes in
Florida; _Bare With Us_, a naturist video program that will be shown on
cable channels in southern California after midnight ("Due to recent
FCC regulations is is now legal -- whether everywhere is uncertain, but
in many metro cable markets -- to show full frontal nudity after
midnight"); Sunnier Palms, a new member-owned park is southern Florida;
Forest Hills Club in Michigan, which is hosting the 1989 ASA
Convention; update on NE Florida Naturists; Single Unattached
Naturists; development of the Stroking Community (massage network);
fourth annual national gathering of gay nudists this fall; naturists
donating clothing to the Armenian earthquake relief.
Caribbean updates -- the status of the beach at Club Med Caravelle in
Guadeloupe; nudity banned by the government at Prospect of Whitby
Resort in the Turks & Caicos islands; Cayo Largo in Cuba.
International updates - Wreck Beach in Vancouver (Canada); review of _A
Guide to Japanese Hot Springs_; the Kargi Hotel and Schooner
Pen-Y-Draig, Turkey.
Nudist history - "Origins of Sunny Rest Lodge"; "Zelda Suplee"
(obituary).
|
| 10.14 | | EOS::WONG | In search of a better personal name... | Sun Feb 18 1990 00:18 | 4 |
| I haven't read it yet, but I noticed that a member of this
conference was mentioned in the latest issue of Nude & Natural. :-)
B.
|
| 10.15 | Nude and Natural 10.2 contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | light upon the figured leaf | Wed Dec 19 1990 18:31 | 66 |
| Nude & Natural volume 10 number 2 contents:
I still think that "Nude and Natural" is an unbelievably insipid title
by comparison with "Clothed with the Sun", but I suppose that's neither
here nor there.
Information about the new Naturist Action Committee and Naturist
Action Fund (I'll write a separate note on it shortly), with an
insert request for funds.
Miscellaneous new briefs. (One item of interest: "We [The
Naturist Society] are now tracking the notices, library, and chat
of the PeopleLINK On-Line Naturist Club. When we can, we
participate in the Tuesday 10pm EST conferences. Our PLINK user ID
for E-mail is "N". We hope you'll take advantage of this
convenient way to send us site updates, advice, first-timer
anecdotes, lifestyle ruminations, questions, and attacks. We'll
also accept MAC 3.5" disks through the government mail.")
Lots of stuff about cruises and Caribbean island vacations. Cruise
ships, NENA whale watch trip, sailing cruises, "Buff Divers" (nude
scuba diving vacation group), Bahamas, Jamaica ("21 Jamaican
resorts now put it in their brochures that a clothes-optional beach
is available on their properties"), Guadeloupe, Saint Martin.
"The Scare and Thrill of first Skinny-Dipping!", a fictional story
about a teenager's first social nude experience, "compiled from
interviews and the experiences of a number of first-time
naturists".
"Top Free and Clothes-Free" (Rochester, NY Coalition for Topfree
Equality; Madison, WI topfree equality demonstrations; does topfree
equality have a natural connection to naturism, or is it an
independent, unrelated feminist agenda?)
Coverage of the 22nd Congress of the International Naturist
Federation.
Nudist History: Read B. Schuster.
Naturism & Health, an interview with Don Schrader from an
Albuquerque, NM newspaper.
"Clothes R Us", a collection of items on the clothing industry,
marketing, health, etc.
"Growing Naturism", articles on promotion and development of
naturist groups, clubs, and resorts. North Carolina Naturists and
their North Carolina clothing-optional site maps; White Tail Park &
Bob Roche (Virginia); Juniorfest 1990 naturist youth festival at
White Tail Park; Valley View club (Wisconsin); Rock Lodge (New
Jersey); Sandpipers Holiday Park (Texas); Iowa Bareskins (gay
naturist group), their rental of Des Moines city recreation
facilities for nude volleyball, and the media coverage.
Naturist Action Committee.
Updates: Sandy Hook, New Jersey (a federal manager is plotting to
eliminate nudity there); Florida and the Florida Beach Coalition;
Naui, Hawaii; Moonstone, Rhode Island, and the new NENA private
beach.
"The Penis as a Display Organ" and "Exhibitionism vs. Nudism"
(sociological articles).
Letters.
|
| 10.16 | Contents are Pretty Insipid Too | TEMPE::GAFFNEY | | Thu Dec 20 1990 12:55 | 1 |
|
|
| 10.17 | Nude and Natural 10.3 contents | MOIRA::FAIMAN | light upon the figured leaf | Tue Apr 09 1991 16:47 | 41 |
| Nude & Natural volume 10 number 3 contents:
Miscellaneous news briefs.
Report on the 1990 Western Naturist Gathering.
Updates: Florida beaches, Apollo and Playalinda beaches, tourism facts,
Paradise Lakes, Tallahassee Bare-Devils; New Jersey (aggressive
response seems to have cut off incipient plans to harrass and/or
eliminate nude use at Sandy Hook); Avalon Conservation Club (Virginia).
Article on the American Family Association (right-wing anti-pornography
pro-censorship organization run by Donald Wildmon, previously financed
by Charles Keating) and becoming more vocal ourselves.
Black's Beach - Steve Simms, whose mission in life is constructing a safe
path down the cliffs to the beach.
Top Free - at Wesleyan University; at the Boulder, Colorado Reservoir.
["Editors Note: The law in Colorado regards the exposure of breasts of
either sex in public places as legal. Custom, however, is another
matter; and events which tactfully push on the envelope of customs and
expectations will allow what is legal to become customary."]
Sobriety - Naturist Alcoholics Anonymous.
International: Naturism in the United Kingdom (Phil Vallack, Alan McCombe,
Brighton Beach); Calabria, Italy; Wreck Beach, Vancouver; Velky
Amerika, Czechoslovakia; Naturism and the Green movement in Hungary.
Nudity and nature / Avalon Conservation Club.
A long article on the naturist friendship between the Wells and Gerty
families.
Body decoration (what is the place of body decoration and modification in
naturist society? Are pierced nipples politically correct?)
Penises (from the New York Times).
Reviews (photography, art, videos, movies, magazines).
|
| 10.18 | Going home in a few weeks and... | HYEND::SCHILTON | When they said sit down,I stood up | Wed Apr 10 1991 14:51 | 7 |
|
Neil, were there any more details on the situation at Sandy Hook (NJ)?
Is it subject to change or is nude sunbathing ok for the foreseeable
future?
Thanks,
Sue
|
| 10.19 | | MOIRA::FAIMAN | light upon the figured leaf | Wed Apr 10 1991 15:34 | 1 |
| see note 305 for Sandy Hook information.
|
| 10.20 | | ZEKE::STARBRIGHT | Serenity | Tue Mar 29 1994 23:00 | 9 |
| Well, here's a first ...
I am now a genuine, okey-dokey, dues-payin' card-carrying member. (And
I get all those nifty discounts in the catalog.) (grin)
The warmer weather is coming! It won't be long until it's Fun in the
Sun again!
Serenity
|
| 10.21 | | AUSSIE::BELL | Charitas Patiens est | Thu Mar 31 1994 06:50 | 4 |
| And all I have to look forward to is six months of cooler/cold/dark winter (or
what passes for winter here).
Peter.
|
| 10.22 | | GENRAL::KILGORE | One Sky, One Earth, One People | Thu Mar 31 1994 18:10 | 14 |
| RE: .21
>And all I have to look forward to is six months of cooler/cold/dark winter (or
>what passes for winter here).
Aw, Peter.....
We sure are envious of you when we learn about your sunbathing at Christmas
time and New Years. ;-) Our daffodils and crocus are up. Our neighbor has
tulips blooming. The weather isn't warm enough for sunbathing. Last week
we were in Utah and it was t-shirt, flannel shirt and many layers type
weather for us. All I got tanned was my face and backs of my hands. :-(
Judy
|