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Title:Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected
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Moderator:JULIET::CORDES_JA
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1079
Total number of notes:28858

810.0. "Tigger may have heart problems" by ANGLIN::PEREZ (Trust, but ALWAYS verify!) Thu Oct 06 1994 10:12

    I normally just read in here, but I wrote in 198.7 about traveling with
    our 3 cats because I was proud they did so well on the 3-week vacation. 
    Unfortunately, things haven't turned out as well as I'd hoped (although
    not related to traveling).
    
    Tigger, our 12 yr old, orange, tabby, male - normally 16 or so pounds,
    has been losing weight.  At his last checkup shortly before vacation,
    the vet was happy because he'd (Tigger, not the vet) slimmed down to 12
    pounds.  On vacation, I got to see all the cats in a more confined
    area, and watch them more closely than when they have a whole house to
    run around in.  Tigger appeared to be VERY gaunt to me.  But, his
    energy and appetite and litter box visits all appeared normal, and he
    was his normal silly, affectionate, self.  
    
    When we got home I had my wife take him in, just to get him checked
    again and to ask about his weight.  I was right.  He's down to 9 pounds
    and his heart rate is sky-high!  The vet said the maximum she'd ever
    seen for a terrified cat was around 225 and Tigger's heart rate was
    over 290!  And she heard a heart murmur, which she's never reported
    hearing before (including just 2 months ago when he was there).  The
    vet thought diabetes or thyroid problems and tested for both. Negative.  
    Now they think it may be heart disease and want to do 2 different forms
    of cardiograms.  So, it looks like he'll be going up to the University
    of Minnesota for some tests today or tomorrow.  
    
    Fortunately, my wife is home right now so she can take him -
    unfortunately, its because she lost her job in May so the expense of
    tests is a problem (test costs are adding up fast - so far we're
    looking at about $350 with the heart tests) but we both feel that if
    you bring a pet into your home you accept the responsibility and
    expense of taking care of them when they're sick as well as enjoying
    them when they're healthy...  
    
    Tigger SEEMS fine.  He is active, eats, sleeps (just like the other 2),
    plays, visits in the evening, stands on your head in the morning and
    demands breakfast, etc.  He doesn't appear to be in any pain, so I'm
    hopeful that if it is a heart problem, he can be medicated and go on
    for years to come!  If I have to, I'll shove a pill in his furry face
    every day for the next 10 years if it'll keep him healthy!  I miss
    feeling his big, warm, furry, body, purring like a deisel idling -
    right now its like holding a gaunt, bony, undernourished, survivor...
    
    Anyhow, thanks for letting me ramble on and get our fears (which I
    notice I haven't even stated, but all you with pets that your care
    about know what they are) off my chest.
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810.1Paws crossed for Tigger...SALEM::SHAWThu Oct 06 1994 10:2812
    
    
    Dave,  sorry to hear about Tigger's possible heart problem. I had 
    a dog with an enlarged heart and to the vets surprised she sorvived
    quite a bit longer than was expected. It is probable that Tigger
    with proper care and medication and have a pretty normal long life. 
    From experience, my recommendation would be to not to encourage 
    much high activity for him. 
    
    Best regards, 
    
    Shaw
810.2ANGLIN::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Fri Oct 07 1994 09:3010
    Hi Shaw!  (its getting close to ski time again!)
    
    He seems fine, frisky, and absolutely normal to me, but I'm not a vet. 
    We're waiting for word from the U of M to see when he can go in for
    tests, but I'm hopeful that whatever he has can be controlled.
    
    Anyhow, we're hopeful.  He's such a great guy, I'd sure hate to have
    him sick.  As far as activity, Mimi, the insane cat, pretty much
    controls that - she figures everybody should be willing to listen to
    her whenever she wants.  Including at play time.  
810.3TOOK::GASKELLWed Oct 12 1994 11:4523
    It could be thyroid, an over active thyroid elevates the heart, also
    weight loss.  Does Tigger crave fatty foods, tend to eat like a horse?  
    Does he leave a larger than ususal deposit in the kitty litter box and 
    does it SMELL!!!  All indications of thyroid problems.
    
    I have had two cats with thyroid problems and probably a third as they
    all came from the same stray cat gene pool.  Spring seemed the worst
    time for them, why I don't know.  We couldn't treat either of the cats
    with thyroid medication for various health reasons, we just took care
    of them and let them live their lives to an end, which was a peaceful
    one.  
    
    I also had a little rag-doll cat with heart problems.  She came to a
    peaceful end as well.  As she tended to be  hysterical we didn't take 
    her any further than we had to. I am sure we could have prolonged her
    life by a couple of years by taking her to Tufts or Angle Memorial, but
    I was afraid the trip would kill her.  She sat out the summer in the
    yard enjoying the warmth and sitting in the dead leaves under the trees.
            
    Best of luck and I hope there is something can be done, that won't
    take the bottom out of your pockets.
    
    One quick test will show if it's thyroid.  
810.4USCTR1::MERRITT_SKitty CityWed Oct 12 1994 12:0519
    I do agree it could possibly thyroid problems because my sisters
    cat Mitzi. who has thyroid problems for years, had alot of the
    same symptoms.   With Mitzi she lived on daily pills for over 2
    years and the thyroid was controlled.  Because of another illness
    Mitzi needed to be operated on so the vet decided to remove the
    Thyroid too!!  All was well...until a few weeks ago and Mitzi
    started displaying the same symptoms...Mitzi's thyroid problem
    is back and she is now taking daily pills again.  1 in a million
    cats have a reoccurance of thyroid problems once it is surgically
    removed.....and leave it to Mitzi to be the ONE!!!
    
    Even if it is heart problems...many kitties can live a happy normal
    life with daily heart medicine.  Good luck and you and your
    family are in our thoughts!!!  Please keep us posted.
    
    Sandy
    
    
    
810.5The Tigger (like "the Donald") has The Pills!ANGLIN::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Sun Oct 16 1994 16:0033
    Well, Tigger got his test results the other day!  They don't absolutely
    rule out thyroid, but according to the cardiologist it appears to be an
    early case of mild heart disease.  They did an ultrasound, EKG, and an
    echo cardiogram.  He was UNBELIEVABLY cooperative.  Even when they had
    to shave the patches for the electrodes he let us hold him and didn't
    fight.  The vet was very happy not to have to sedate him (she said she
    typically has to sedate the cats for the tests).  
    
    We now have heart medication to give him every day, and they want to
    re-check him in 3 weeks.  If it works they don't see any reason why he
    shouldn't live a long time.  If not, they'll try some other medication.
    
    He doesn't SEEM to have any of the symptoms in .3 or .4 - doesn't
    appear to crave fatty foods (that's ME) or eat a lot (he doesn't push
    the other two away to get at every last scrap of food).  His BIGGEST
    craving seems to be for angelfood cake - which we have to wrap and hide
    in a closed cupboard - otherwise he eats through the wrapping to help
    himself no matter where we put it!
    
    Anyhow, now we have the problem of trying to get him to eat this little
    tiny half pill!  So far we've tried wrapping it in his cat food,
    cheese, even a little ham.  He doesn't want it.  I think he's confused
    - we've never fed ANY of the cats at the table, and never given them
    "people food", and now we're suddenly catching him in the morning and
    trying to make him eat this bite of food...  He does his "passive
    resistance" act - becomes totally dead weight, closes eyes and mouth,
    and just refuses to even acknowledge our existence - its like trying to
    get a little kid to take medicine!  We're going to see if we can find
    some kind of cat treat that is soft so we can form it around the pill,
    and has a taste that he finds unresistable...  
    
    We're both relieved if this is all we have to do - I'm not sure Tigger
    is particularly thrilled at all the attention!  
810.6suggestionASABET::COHENMon Oct 17 1994 08:343
    How about putting Tigger's pill in angel food cake?
    
    Lynn
810.7HELIX::SKALTSISDebMon Oct 17 1994 09:263
    or just butter the pill?
    
    Deb
810.8Little triangles of kitty liver?ANGLIN::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Mon Oct 17 1994 10:5515
    re .6:  the angelfood cake!
    
    I think he'd be happiest if I just buried the pill in the middle of a
    BIG angelfood cake and just let him eat his way to it!  We also have to
    keep the sugar in covered container because he's had a sweet tooth ever
    since he was a kitten.  Although, I don't want to make it sound like
    he's the only problem - the OTHER 2 have their own "endearing"
    characteristics!  
    
    Yesterday at the store we bought a little container of soft cat treats
    that taste like liver (at least the container says so, I haven't tried
    them YET).  This morning I buried the pill in one of them, set it down
    in front of him and he lapped it up...  now I just have to catch him
    each morning and make sure HE eats it and not the other ones!  Oh well,
    its a small price to pay for keeping him healthy.
810.9ROMEOS::BALZERMAMon Oct 24 1994 18:5911
    
    I suggest just getting one of those "pill poppers" with the flexible
    tips.  Coat the pill with butter, etc. and it just flies right down.
    Bailey was on 1/2 cardizem twice daily, Lasix x1 and 1/2 baby aspirin
    x1. It was the medication that would ultimately extend his life, so
    I could not take the chance of mixing it with the food and him not 
    ingesting it.  As it was, he got pretty good at getting it up and 
    spitting it out (i found i or 2 under the rim of the tray his food 
    was on), but the majority of the time it went down and stayed down.
    
    
810.10The elder statesman appears to be doing well!ANGLIN::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Wed Oct 26 1994 11:4137
    re -.1:
    
    We thought we might have to do something like this but Tigger the
    CHOWHOUND (chowcat?) is living up to his former reputation!
    
    He's gotten into the routine of waiting at my feet while I put the
    little pill into a treat, put the treat on his food plate and set it in
    front of him.  He gobbles it up and then I feed everybody.  By putting
    it on the plate I can make sure he's eating the pill.
    
    My (our/their/Tiggers?) vet did something unexpected...  She called the
    other day and left a message asking how Tigger was doing!  I thought
    that was really nice of her.  When I called her back she said she just
    wanted to make sure he was taking the pills, wasn't having any side
    effects, and was starting to gain weight!  She wants me to bring him in
    to get weighed and give his heart a quick listen!  I've not had a
    veterinarian before that was concerned enough to call an check.
    
    One thing I found very amusing...  the medication came with a big sheet
    of possible side effects to watch for - things like possible
    drowsiness, possible hyperactivity, tingling in the extremeties, etc.,
    and the usual warnings about operating heavy machinery if experiencing
    side effects etc...  We laughed because HOW DO YOU TELL IF A CAT IS
    FEELING DROWSY?  They're just big fur covered, snoring, meatloaves now!
    What, if feeling sleepy they'd sleep 23 hours/day instead of 22?  
    Actually, of late he's been quite active, chasing the moths we've
    managed to get infested with (his aim is DREADFUL, but he tries) - but
    that's another story!
    
    Anyhow, when I was on the phone with the vet I told her we'd explained
    all the cautions to Tigger and especially told him to inform us should
    he experience any tingling in his extremities!  She was amused too!
    
    Anyhow, he's not as gaunt and bony as he was, and he appears to be
    doing well on the medication, and he REALLY seems to like the cat
    treats.  In fact, I'm having to give each cat at treat in the morning
    so noone feels slighted!
810.11How do you tell if your cat is drowsy?ISLNDS::WHITMOREWed Oct 26 1994 14:115
    ....if he knocks your house down while driving that bulldozer....
    
    
    
    ;^)
810.12Besides, his legs are too short to reach the pedals!ANGLIN::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Thu Oct 27 1994 14:313
    ...Thats no bulldozer, he just sounds like an idling diesel when
    purring...  Of course, the whole couch and everyone on it vibrates
    along!
810.13Tigger appears to be doing well!ANGLIN::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Fri Nov 11 1994 13:2712
    Well, updating his royal orangeness!
    
    Tigger had a checkup and his heart rate is still a little high - but
    the vet admitted that since Tigger dislikes going there so much that
    the cause could be nerves rather than a problem...
    
    In the last 3 weeks, he's GAINED A POUND!  So, I think he's on the road
    to being his normal self instead of a skeleton!
    
    I brought home some fresh catnip the other night...  2 of them loved
    it, one ignored it!  Tigger was a HAPPY cat - he ate the stuff, but
    I've NEVER heard him purr so loud!