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NOTE: I know the person I am responding to, but I wrote this
note as if I did not know the author. I felt as if I needed
to stick up for the domestic owners the auther was politly
bashing. Karen, please don't take it as a personnal response.
>I feel I need to defend myself and breeders in general. Let's first
>assume that there is always good and bad in every aspect of creation.
>That should cover that!
I just dont get who are feel you need to defend your self from?
>Now, breeders seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick and I am
>tired of hearing it, as well as are others.
Again, I have not seen anyone in this file give you greif
>Breeders who support organizations such as CFA, TICA, CFF,ACFA and
>on and on are a major group force. They play THE most important part
>when it comes to donations to cure, make vaccines, research all the
>diseases and physical problems that cats are plagued by.
Agreed! Alot of other clubs do the same for dogs & horses
Breed and group clubs are very important and contribute
alot - I don't think anyone in file will disagree w/that.
>We do it for all cats, not just the 2% of pedigreed animals. So I
>would think long and hard all of you, who have domestics, whom you bash.
I have not seen any pedigree bashing in this file. The only
pedigree/non-pedigree issue that keeps comming up, is the
dredded topic of "should I keep my cat in or out"
Ask your vets, why don't they know more about feline health? Isn't
the cat one of the most popular pets today? Why do they know so little
and where has the majority of the new information come from? CFA has
established the Robert H. Winn Foundation for Feline Research.
Many thousands of dollars are given out every year to fund projects
that would otherwise not exist. Pick a topic: kidney disease,
cardiomyopathy, fip, felv, patellar luxation. The topics are more than
I can remember now. The funds are closing in on over a million
dollars. Guess who donates this money? Breeders and pedigreed cat
enthusiasts. This benefits all cats. My club alone has donated
over $2,500.00 to this fund in just the past couple of years.
The money we took in at the door helped
to pay for this and also went to shelters. None of this money goes
into our pockets but into helping others. Mainly domestics.
>Many pedigreed organizations give money away and set up free
>spay/neuter clinics (not for our cats but to help you and yours).
Why do you keep seperating up Pedigree and domestics?
A cat is a cat no matter if it is papered or not! A
cat is a cat weather it is a show cat or house cat, a
cat is a cat weather it is a indoor or outdor - all cats
and all kinds of people need this type of help. I know
there are alot of pedigree cats out there (not show cats
but papperd cats) who do go to spay/neurter clinics etc.
don't start to seperate them "yours & ours" - we need to
love all cats, once we start to micro manage them "yours
& ours" we will have some serious troulbe.
>You mislead the general public by saying something similiar to
>example:" I have a maine coon at home", when it's not. People
>tend to think there are maine coons flooding the market, wrong.
>(you can fill in any breed here, but popular ones are russian blue,
>maine coon, persian and siamese).
what does this have to do w/you feeling like you
have to defend yourself and other breeders? Now your not
only going to seperate pedigree from domestics, but now
you want EVERYONE to be politically correct when talking
about there cat????
>I also take offense to shelters advertising a "pedigreed" look-alike.
>This continues to downgrade those that work very hard for pedigreed cats
>as well as adding to the thought that there are pedigreed animals in
>shelters. (I use the term pedigreed instead of purebred because purebred
>is a misnomer)
I dont not think this in any way puts down the
importance of breeders. I know of meny folks who got
a paperd cat from Buddy Dog aminmal shelter.. not all pedigree
cats go to shows - some people just want a pure siamese then they
can't keep them so they give them to shelters.
I bet you gonna tell me I can't get a pure breed dog at a
shelter to??? Where do you think I got my paperd dalmatian?
I always tell my friends to check the shelter first not matter
what they are looking for cat or dog. 5 out of 10 then find
what they wanted.
>I hope you can see why I feel the way I do. Your stories are all fun
>to read, but for now, that's all it is. Why don't you all stand
>together and start making some noticable differences in the well being
>of felines, all of them?
All I can see is someone who only wants pedigrees and inhouse
pets kept in a plastic bubble away from harm and away from
a real life. If you dont take our stories seriously then
may I sugguest you dont respond to the ones you dislike and
only deal w/the ones you agree with.
>Make yourselves a power. But please, don't forget the breeders. They
>have been working at it for a very long time with little support from
>you as domestic owners. They deserve a little more respect. Bear in
>mind too, that we are a large network that runs worldwide. We see and
>hear a lot more than this file could ever hope for. We work hard at
>keeping abreast of the latest only to pass this on to you.
The breeders are important, again no one can denie that. but
dont say domestic owners don't contribute. I know I do, and
I know alot of other cat lovers in this file do - it may not
be w/ money - but it's w/love! They take in lots of strays
and lend a hand at shelters etc.. I think you owe alot of
domestic owners in this file an appoligy. Again, you are
seperating YOURs and OURs - we are all on the same team
hear - we want the best for our cats!!!!!
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Ditto, same here.
I think there may be a mixing up of issues here, maybe the
indoor vs outdoor thing has split over. IMO, nobody bashed
any breeders here. I don't see why Karen felt she needed to
defend the breeders. There is not a whole lot of difference
between a pure breed and a mixed breed - appearance and
personality sum it up, but then aren't all kitties (just like
people) unique? Is a pure breed's life more important? Is a
pure breed definitely a better kitty? Is a pure breed definitely
more affectionate? I don't think so.
Karen feels a certain way about her cats and she is entitled
to it. If she has certain expectations about her human clients,
she is entitled to it. If I don't agree with her philosophy,
I don't buy from her and she does not sell to me, that's fine.
There are plenty of breeders around to choose from and that is
a fact, not a sly remark. I think she is doing the breeders in
general a disfavor though, by suggesting that pure breeds should
be treated a certain way, eg. kept indoors. We bought my Abyssinian
from a breeder, he does not let his cats out since he lives in the
city, but he did not impose his circumstances on us - if he made us
sign anything about keeping the kitty indoors for life, we would
simply not do business with him.
Do I love my papered pure breed kitty more than my non-papered
supposedly pure breed cats? No. Do I love mixed breed cats? Yes,
I'll talk to any kitty and I'll make any kitty purr, if kitty lets
me. Why do I have certain breeds? Because there are certain quality
that I adore about them - Siameses are dog-like and are great hunters,
Abyssinians are sweet and are atheletic (expert tree climbers) - they
are both very intelligent and love the outdoors. Do I think I'm
better because I have pure breed cats? No! Do I like people who treat
me differently because my cats are pure bred? Absolutely not!
Eva
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But I must. :)
I have nothing against breeders as such. And nothing against
'domestians (?)' as such. And nothing against bycyclers as such...
There are good breeders and bad breeders, as good bycyclers and bad
ones. There are breeders who 'create' animal forms (not only cats, dogs
too or any other animals) which are lifehandicapped or unable, the poor
thingies - that may fire up someone against them. But not against all
breeders!
The breeder is needed for keeping beautiful forms and genes, as well as
to help mother nature a bit with careful 'what if...' questions. And,
it is, like all else, also a way of making money. If one breeds for
making money forgetting the cats, I hate him. If one breeds his loved
cats and sells the offspring, I vote for him.
No, folks, not the breeders against nonbreeders... vice people against
versa people, or how should I say. And in every group of people, be it
breeder or bycycler, there are some bad, who make an uneven weight for
the outsiders. Allow me an analogy: if you are well, and everything
works fine, you never know, that you, for instance, have a liver. If it
aches - then you notice it.
All the fantastic good breeders out there - they work normal. Do not
blame every liver for one who is aching! And yes, do everything against
soulless and wicked breeders: but not against BREEDERS, against
SOULLESS and WICKED...
Just my two cents of murmuring.
Nat
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