Conference misery::feline

    Sounds wonderful!!  Count me in.  How did they do it in the bikes
    conference?  I guess there would have to be a central person to
    organize it, and everyone would send pictures to her/him who would
    assemble the album.  If that's how to do it, I volunteer, although
    there are probably others more qualified than me.
    
    Carl

    
    Yes, there is a central person that everyone can send pics too. 
    with a mailing list. The album can get circulated and also updated
    as it goes around.  
    
    Shaw

    I'll volunteer to do the album if you want.  I've helped with the past
    album for the FRIENDS file (a few years ago).  I also have some
    pictures from past feliners (Karen Kolling's Sweetie and Holly, Karen
    Luby's (healey) T.K. and Bandit, etc.).
    
    I have an album I can use.  You can send the pictures directly to my
    home address (I don't trust I-mail).  Send mail for the address to send
    it to.  Also, send mail if you'd like to see the album once it's
    finished.  We can possibly try and arrange it so that people who are in
    the same site might be able to get together to view the album.
    
    First things first .. getting the pictures together.  Send me mail for
    an address to send them to.  On each of the pictures, be sure to put
    your name, nodename, and the name of the cats.
    
    Holly
    

    If someone has access to a image scanner this could become really cool. 
    You would send your pictures to person with the scanner, they scan them 
    in. They are made available electronically, so some of us poor saps in
    the field (Minnesota) could also have access. I know not everyone has
    access to a PC or workstation (to view the images) but I bet a lot do.
    
    What do you think?
    
    Greg

    Greg, just because you're out in Minnesota, that doesn't mean that you
    wouldn't be able to see the album.  In FRIENDS, our album went all over
    the world, including England, Holland, and Australia.
    
    Holly
    

    
    	Holly et al,
    
    	Just another suggestion ..... don't send an original, one-of-a-kind
    	photo - during one the [many] downsizing exercises the FRIENDS
    	album was lost.
    
    	Maybe two books would be helpful. It would be easier/faster to
    	circulate, and then maybe Carl and Holly could each create one?
    
    	Just my $ .02.........
    
    		Heidi 

    I'd be interested in taking part too...and yes your right Shaw
    you will need atleast 5 pages to cover my crew!!!!
    
    Sandy

    
    re: loosing the album,  Well I have the negatives, I am on my way this
    evening to make extra copies to send to Holly. Just hang on to your
    negatives and you won't have to worry about loosing photos. I think
    once the photos are submitted for the album they should stay there, 
    I won't expect to see mine returned. 
    I am already looking forward to this, I imagine it will take a little
    while to gather photos from everyone. But it will be well worth it. 
    It is nice to be able to imagine the real character when you read 
    about them, eg, Len's kids or the honorable colonel and so on. 
    
    Shaw

    I'd like to join in. I live in the UK, so I don't expect to see the
    finished product, but I'd love to show off the kitties! Rosie is
    particularly good at "posing".

    
    For those friends that are outside of the U.S. like Julie and Nat 
    maybe we can make color photo copies. they can be posted in a manila
    envelope. 
    
    Shaw - (pictures will be sent this weekend.) 

    That's a good idea, Shaw.  However, those will cost us some money.  We
    may have to work out something for postage anyway for people outside of
    the new england area.  Maybe we can work out something where if someone
    wants color copies of the poster, they can send a certain amount of
    money for me (or whomever) to make the copies.
    
    Holly
    

    I'd like to take part in the photo album, too. One question -- how do 
    you know when it's "done"? I bet there would always be someone new who 
    would want to jump in with their pictures, which is fine. Would the 
    album just be circulating forever? How would you keep track of who 
    had seen what?

    The scanner is a neat idea. I don't know anyone who has one, though.

    Would anyone be interested in swapping kitty photos? I'd love to have 
    pictures to look at from time to time. Also, it would be nice to have 
    pictures of the kitty ownees. When I had the first roll of JJ/kitten 
    pictures developed, I happened to catch a special on developing and 
    reprints at Walmart. The reprints were 10 for $1.99, very reasonable. 
    They came out darker than the originals, but they were acceptable, and 
    considering the price I couldn't complain. 

    Linda

    >>I'd like to take part in the photo album, too. One question -- how do
    >>you know when it's "done"? I bet there would always be someone new
    >>who would want to jump in with their pictures, which is fine.
    
    As soon as I think of one .. I'll declare a "cut-off" date.  Probably
    the middle of June ... that will give people plenty of time to get
    their pictures to me so we can get this going.  
    
    >>Would the album just be circulating forever? 
    
    After it's gone to everyone who wants to see it, I'll have it sent 
    back to me.  Maybe I can just hold it for a while, and then when we 
    get some new feliners (or additions to present FELINERS families), 
    we can have them send in photos and we can circulate the album again.
    
    
    >>How would you keep track of who had seen what?
    
    I'll just keep a list of people who want to see the album .. and
    basically keep track of who has it when.  If someone gives it to
    someone else to see, they'll have to send me mail telling me.  Then
    I'll just "check them off" on my list.
    
    For example.  You're in ZKO, right?  Well, if I sent it to you, and
    then you gave it to someone else in ZKO, or had lunch with someone and
    looked at it together, I'd like you to send me mail telling me where
    the album is.  I'll keep track of it that way.  Then, I'll either have
    the person send it back to me, or to the next person on the list.  
    
    Holly
    

    
    I think this is a great idea.
    
    Since I have literally hundreds of wonderful cat pictures, how are you
    going to keep me under control...
    
    len.
    

    
    If Holly keeps updated as to who has it and who is next in line, 
    then I quess the person that has it will just send it to the next
    one in line. 
    There are a few feliners at my site, so I can share it with them 
    and then kick it off. Since an album can hold many pictures; Len, 
    don't hold back ;-)
    For whatever it's worth for those of you sharp shooters in the area, 
    WallMart's one hour service is only $7.58 or something like that for 
    a 24 exposure and around $9.00 for 36 exposures. 
    
    Shaw

    I just got a suggestion ... I'm going to put extra blank pages in the
    back of the photo album.  For those of you who don't hit the cut-off
    date .. when  you get the album, you can add in your pictures.
    
    Now let's see... that's three pages for sandy .. three pages for Len
    ... four pages for Karen F. ...  
    
    Ugh .. this is going to be a BIG album!! (-:
    
    Holly
    

    Hey Holly!
    
    I'll bet ya Len has more pictures than me!! Ha ha!
    It sounds like a nice idea.  Just if someone gets tfso'd, don't get
    depressed and forget to send it on!!!!  
    Maybe we should start to take some great practice pictures!
    Karen

    Karen ..
    
    Len may have more pictures than you, but you've got more CATS than he
    does! (-:  That's why you need so many pages! (-:
    
    H

    
    Heh heh heh - I was including *all* of the cats I have pictures of, not
    just the ones I'm currently enslaved by...
    
    len.
    

    You don't need a book, sir... you need a mobile library!!!

    
    It is so hard to limit myself to one picture per cat ;-) I keep setting
    one of each aside and then look at another and well you know how it is
    we are all so proud of our babies....
    
    I will however make a decision soon. ;-)
    
    Shaw

    Thanks for .10. Feel well to be thought of!
    
    Count me in. I sent pix already to Karen, I have more. Where to?
    
    And the idea with the color copy is great, too. And I would suggest a
    whole electronically published version, which can be kept and updated
    on a node, downloadable to anyone who has a PC (I have one) in .GIF
    format. Even single catpix.gif files would be great in a [...CATS...]
    library somewhere. The two versions could be managed also separately.
    The one on paper as decided, the one as a gifs lib somewhere. Just my 2
    cents, and count me full in!
    
    Nat, eagerly waiting.

	I 4th (after .4, .12, .22) the motion for an electronic version.
	This allows everyone to view new photos at electronic speed
	simultaneously.  Of course a physical version can still be
	circulated.

	Now who has the scanner(s)?  I've got a picture of Mittens still
	(from before her accident).  Will glossy pictures scan or do they
	need to be non-glossies?

    re -1 glossiesm depends on the scanner...
    

    
    >I've got a picture of Mittens still (from before her accident).
    
    Did I miss something?  Is Mittens still with us?  Did she have another
    accident?  Haven't heard anything about her in a while.
    
    len.
    

>> I've got a picture of Mittens still (from before her accident).
> Did I miss something?  Is Mittens still with us?  Did she have another
> accident?  Haven't heard anything about her in a while.

	Opps, sorry to confuse.  She only had the one accident that
	brought her to our attention.  The picture is one that my
	brother took of her when she was just a stray that visited
	him periodically.

	Mittens herself is doing great and only has a very slight limp
	when she walks (what's very noticable is that when she sits she
	usually leaves that leg hanging over the edge of the sofa, etc).
	She was also spayed about a month ago.  I believe she now weighs
	about 8 pounds and has retained her baby face.

    
    Ah, that's good to hear.
    
    len.
    

    Well, I've received three sets of pictures so far:
    
    
    Sandy LaLorti
    Marilyn Holmes
    Shaw Entekhabi
    
    One interesting thing I realized.  It would be best if you put your
    name and that cat's name on the back of the photo.  That will help me
    when I put the album together.
    
    Does anyone have Karen Kolling's internet address so I can possibly
    post this in the next newsletter that she puts out?
    
    Thanks.
    
    Holly
    

    Holly, the way to reach Karen is: DECPA::"Kolling@ADOBE.com".
    
    I have to sent you pictures.  I assume you want just one of each cat?
    ;)
    
    Steffi
     

    
    Where should we send pictures?  Also, I'll need a little time to get
    some prints made, as most of my cat pictures are slides...  And I
    promise, only one picture of each distinct cat.
    
    len.
    

    Steffi and Len .. See mail.
    
    H

    I need TIME!!!!!

    Well Sandy, you'll actually have until the end of July, probably.  I'm
    going to send a message to Karen to put into the "Meower Power"
    newsletter.
    
    So, you've got a bit of time.  
    
    Holly
    

    Thanks...when you have 13 cats....and about 5,000 pictures...I
    need to find the best picture of each one!!!   I can even hand
    carry them to your house!!!!
    
    Sandy

    It'll take time for my pix to come over the Big Water to you...
    
    Nat

    It was a Bank holiday in the UK yesterday, so we took the opportunity
    to photograph the cats. The pictures are currently being developed.
    
    Rosie was in one of her unco-operative moods, though. We wanted her to
    lie on her back - she obligingly rolled around in the biggest pile of
    dirt she could find, then lay with her back to the camera (we were in
    the garden). We have some very good shots of her tail, too... 
    
    I even managed to catch Napoleon, but I think it might be a bit
    blurred.

    My six pix are sent out to you vial snai airmail last week.
    Hope they arrive!
    
    Nat & the furries

    Just to put in an update on this album.  I've received a number of
    pictures so far, but not enough to justify an album (I think 5-6
    people's pictures).  I've put a note into the OFFLINE FELINERS
    NEWSLETTER that Karen puts out.  Hopefully I'll get some response
    there.  
    
    If there's anyone else in here who would still like their pictures in
    the album, please get them to me soon.  As soon as the newsletter goes
    out, I'll put a deadline on this.
    
    Holly
    

    I'm still working on gathering the pic's!!!!   Once you receive
    pic's of my crew...you'll have enough for an album!!!
    
    Sandy

    BTW, what about the publishing in a KODAK PHOTOCD format as well? It
    could be distributed then via net and viewed better than GIF or the
    like...
    
    Nat, PhotoCD-fan

    
    A fully populated PhotoCD (i.e., one with about 100 pictures on it)
    costs about $125 to produce.
    
    len.
    

Re: .40, .41

	..... not to mention most of us don't have hardware/software
	to read/display those CD's.  On the other hand, most of us
	have something to display .gif files on ....

    Okay, I give up... (btw, do it here, here it costs about half! I make
    my CD-s for about 60$/piece, that's the official price in Hungary.
    Nevertheless my ins lie at about 500$, so no problem, expensive
    enough... HIHI :))
    
    HW is about 300$ here (the 860 series), and a dozen SWs (lot of them
    shareware) produce good images on PC's. Sorry for bringing this up at
    all, I just thought that PCD is something everydayuse out there, as for
    we have it about a year.
    
    
    Forget my two cents, happy meow, Nat
    I am happy also with gifs of course! (to look at at home only, for here
    I have a VT420 which does funny things of a gif file... :))

    
    PhotoCD is pretty much limited to professional use in the USA.  I have
    a PhotoCD player, but I'm a photography nut and I expect to put most of
    my "good stuff" on photoCD for archival purposes, and use a portable
    player for showing images to others.
    
    len.
    

    Okay, just for closing this subtopic (we might go over to the photonote
    HI) I did not know that over there it is for pro use... PhotoCD is
    quite popular in Hungary among the amateur and family snapshooters, for
    it is only twice so expensive as slides and much more comfortable. BTW,
    I am also a nut, with some 6x6 and Minolta's 7000 (I think they are
    called Maxxum in the States) and 9000 series, and have a ton of diverse
    cat pictures I naturally did *not* send all in, for I needed a cargo
    plane then....  :^)
    
    Nat

    I've finally got my photos! I'll be sending them this weekend.

    Incidently, the photo I took of Napoleon (the stray) was done with a
    flash. It's amazing the way it made his fur look whiter and cleaner. He
    looks more like a show cat than a battered old moggie. I'm quite proud
    of it. No bite marks showing, either!

    
    
    Looking forward to the photo album, it would be great to be able to
    actualy get to see all the furry freinds everyones been talking about. 
    
    Shaw

    Well, I've gotten some pictures in, but not a whole lot.  At least
    enough to START the album.  I'll buy an album this weekend and put the
    pictures in.  Then we'llmake arrangements for it to be sent out to the
    first person.  Please either respond here or send me mail and I'll put
    you on the distribution list.
    
    Holly
    

    
    
    Holly , that's great. I wondered how many would respond. Well 
         between Sandy and Len we should have a full album anyways ;-)
    
    Shaw

    
    Jeez, Holly, I thought I was being excessive, but if you need more ...
    If Sandy M. can identify them I have a whole bunch of pictures of
    Brody Shelter cats, and there are still big cats and friends' and
    family cats that I haven't had printed yet.
    
    And if that's not enough, just relax the one picture per cat rule...
    
    len.
    

	Procrastinator checking in...I have a picture of Gypsy to send, and
	will dig up one of Kabuki and Sabrina.  I looked through here, but
	don't see where to send it, sorry if I missed it.  Could you please
	post it again Holly?

	Thanks,

	Laura    

    Holly,

   I want to take some up-to-date shots of the menagerie, which is why I haven't
   sent you any pix yet !!!  Will try to get some film this week and send off.
   If not, will add to the album when it gets to me, so put me on the 
   circulation list !

   debbi

    Hi,
    
    I wonder what the status of the felines photo collection is at this
    moment. Although I realize that the album most probally will never
    reach Holland, I like to show around with Leeroy, my British Blue cat.
    
    Can anyone let me know it there is a possbility to sent in a picture of
    him? 
    
    BTW. It would have been nice idea to set up a Feline Web Server
    (Digital only ofcourse), with the scanned pictures of the cats.
    
    Donald 

    Great Idea, Donald! And if it is done, please please give some hints
    how to use such a resource for those people who never used Web before!
    Exactly how and what to have, and what to do.
    
    Nat

Re: .-1

	Before you setup a Web server for the photo's, someone needs to
	implement the previous suggestions about digitizing (ie. scanning)
	in the photo's.

	Once the photo's are on line, in GIF format, then to setup a
	Web page for them you'd simply have to copy the GIF files to
	an anonymous ftp server somewhere, then setup a Web page to
	link to them.

	However no one ever scanned the pictures in .... (because like
	me, no one here has access to a scanner and/or software)

    FYI, the feline album is almost completed.  I've printed the little
    labels identifying each cat, and I just have to put them in place.  It
    should be done this weekend (sorry it took so long folks, I've been
    aufully busy and have had a very sick husband on top of it all).  But
    never fear, it's finally done.  Please, anyone who's interested in
    seeing the album, send me mail so I can add you to the list.  If you
    haven't gotten your pictures in, you can still send them to me until
    this friday and I'll put them in.  Send me mail to let me know that
    they're on the way.  Or, when you get the album, you can just add in
    your pictures.
    
    Holly
    

        If anyone wants to see  a .gif of the Fraser cats, see the file
        at smurf::gifs:3cats.gif.  C.C., who died  last February, is on
        the left, Jenny in the center and  Tas  on  the right.  I think
        bruno.gif and penny.gif are still there - another noter's cats.
        
        S. . .er, Andy
        
        
  

    Where is the album at this point?  Is it finished? Is it making the
    rounds?  If so, I am looking forward to seeing it when it gets to me.
    
    Marilyn

    I am wondering where the feline alburm is at this point?  I tried
    leaving a couple of messages in the appropriate file and also sent a
    note offline, but have not received an answer.  The last note in the
    original file was in 1994 and it said it was almost complete.  Does
    anyone have any info?
    
    Thanks,
    Marilyn

    
    And with two years gone by, it probably needs to be updated - I don't
    think it includes (Pretty Boy) Floyd (with the magic tail).
    
    len.
    

    Is Holly still with Digital???   I do know she pops into
    this notesfile on occasion...
    
    Sandy 

    yes, in fact, she is one of the moderators. She is still listed in ELF;
    I suspect that she might be up to her eyebrows at her job.
    
    Deb

    
    Holly and I are in the same group - yep, she's still at Digital; yep,
    she's up to her eyebrows; and not only that...
    
    she went out on Maternity Leave this past Friday!
    
    I'll post the results when the big day comes.
    

    Ahh..a human litter!!!   Please tell Holly we said hello and
    best of luck!!
    
    Sandy