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Title:Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected
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Moderator:JULIET::CORDES_JA
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1079
Total number of notes:28858

496.0. "advice/support needed" by FSOA::DJANCAITIS (New Year, NEW ME !!) Tue Feb 09 1993 10:53

  Need some advice from this compassionate group.

  My housemate's cat, Neely, is a 15-1/2 years old burmese.  Over the 
  last few months, even though she seems to be eating fine, she's been
  getting thinner and thinner.  A few months ago (can't remember exactly 
  when), we took her to the vet to be checked out - vet said that, for a 
  15 year old cat, she was doing well, her teeth looked fine, she was a 
  little underweight but not much, and gave us some vitamin supplements
  for her.

  Yesterday afternoon, when my housemate got home, she found that Neely had
  peed on "her" chair, had pooped on a pillow, and had thrown up Meow Mix
  (which is the only kind of dry food she'll consistently eat) on the rug
  in two different places.  We had moved the litter box over the weekend,
  but that was on Saturday and she did use it on Sunday, so she knew where
  it was.

  When Ginny (my housemate) picks Neely up lately, she (N) cries like it 
  hurts to be picked up; when you stroke her (she let me last night), you 
  can FEEL her spinal column and she's **REALLY** thin down her body - it's 
  at the point that Ginny says she weighs LESS than my Toy Poodle, who's 
  only 6-1/2 pounds.

  We're going to be making an appt for the vet's sometime this week, but 
  in the meantime, I thought I'd drop this note in here.  If anyone has any
  suspicions about what might be wrong, what we should be sure to have the
  vet check, or even just some words of support (Ginny really thinks she may
  have to make "the" decision soon), it would be appreciated.

  Debbi

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496.1DELNI::MANDILEToepick!Tue Feb 09 1993 11:3215
    My mom's Burmese is about the same age.  He also has gone
    the thin route.  My mom's other Burmese did the same thing.
    He hit 13-14, and got really thin.  He was 16 when he had to
    be put to sleep..... 
    
    I think it is safe to say this may be a trait of the aging
    process for Burmese.  He eats well, and other than the seeking
    out of warm places, is fine.  No fat makes him seek out heat.
    When you have no padding, being picked up could cause discomfort.
    Same with petting along the spine.  Just be extra gentle when picking
    her up....  
    
    Since she is going to the vet, mention the vomiting and etc.  This
    could be signs of an illness, or that she was just unhappy that the
    litterbox was moved....
496.2THYROID CONDITION?MKOTS1::PASKALEYTue Feb 09 1993 11:3320
    From your description and the age of Neely it sounds like she might
    have an over active thyroid.  It is very common in older cats and very
    easily treatable with daily thyroid medication.  When you take her to
    the vets (and I do it sooner than later) have the vet do a "geriatric"
    workup which should include a kidney profile as well.
    
    As far as her litter habits, as cats get older they take less and less
    to change in their environment.  You might want to put the box back in
    its original place and see what happens.  I would also be concerned
    about her litter habits combined with her throwing up.  It could just
    be a virus or it could be something a bit more serious.  Again, I think
    a trip to the vet is warranted.
    
    My cat is 18 yesrs old and had kidney problems as well as a thyroid
    condition.  Maintaining her on a low protein (8% or less) wet food (no
    dry at all - vet's advice) and daily thyroid medication and she's fine.
    
    Good luck and let us know what the vet says.
    
    
496.3CHEEKO::BARLOWi THINK i can, i THINK i can...Thu Feb 11 1993 15:2633
    
    
    A couple of ideas.  Did the vet check her stool for parasites?
    That could really mess up her weight.  And if she's dangerously
    thin, then maybe moving a distance to go to the bathroom was too
    much for her thin body to take.  I think you made a wise choice
    moving the litter box after she urinated on the pillow.
    
    My first cat lived to be 20 years old.  Neely is not that old
    so I wouldn't give up hope yet.  On the other hand, if she
    is incontinent then your friend will have some hard decisions to
    make.  If Neely is in constant pain, then your friend will also have
    a hard decision to make but in a sense, she shouldn't feel guilt
    about it.  It's hard to part with a loved one but death is not
    always a bad thing for the one dying.  I have heard of many people
    who decide that it's time to die and then they go.  I am quite
    sure that animals do the same.  I'm sure if Neely has decided that
    she is not happy living and she needs a rest, your friend will only
    be aiding Neely towards Neely's own choice.  I haven't said this
    very well.  I guess what I'm getting at is that it could be that
    Neely's urinating on the pillow was a way to impress her condition on
    her owner; or a way to make your friend aware that Neely is unhappy.
    
    Hopefully, the vet will find an easily solvable problem and all this
    death-stuff will be irrelevant.
    
    Rachael
    
    PS: I hope I stated things kindly.  I don't mean to upset you.
    I'm just trying to give you and your friend a different paradigm
    to view the situation through, should you need to.
    
    
496.4NEELYDELNI::PIERCETue Mar 02 1993 17:0523
    THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO MY 12 YEAR OLD LAST SUMMER - AT HER
    YEARLY CHECK-UP THE VET NOTICED A DRAMATIC WEIGHT LOSS.  ENDED UP
    IT WAS A HYPERACTIVE THROID.  THEY DREW BLOOD AND DID TESTS TO CONFIRM
    IT (BLOOD WAS SEND TO TUF).
    
    THEY TRIED MEDICATION BUT IT DIDN'T WORK - THE LEVELS THEY CHECK
    DIDN'T IMPROVE AS THEY HAD HOPED.  SO SHE HAD ONE THYROID REMOVED.
    SHE IS IN GREAT SHAPE NOW - STILL A LITTLE THIN BUT GREATLY IMPROVED
    FROM BEFORE THE OPERATION.  THE VET SAYS SHE IS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE
    FOR AN OLDER CAT.
    
    THE THYROID PROBLEM IS QUITE COMMON IN OLDER CATS.  HAVE THE VET CHECK
    FOR IT - IF THIS IS THE PROBLEM AND YOU'RE LUCKY - IT WILL BE TREATABLE
    WITH DAILY MEDICATION (TINY LITTLE PILLS WHICH ARE EASY TO GET DOWN
    THE THROAT).  THE PILLS DIDN'T WORK ON GLORIA SO MY "ONLY" OPTION
    WAS TO HAVE THE OPERATION.  SHE CAME THROUGH IT WITH FLYING COLORS
    (ALTHOUGH SHE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME FOR ABOUT
    A MONTH AFTERWARDS!).
    
    PLEASE TELL YOUR HOUSEMATE TO HAVE THIS CHECKED ASAP.  IF IT'S
    THE THYROID, IT'S EASILY REMEDIED!
    
    PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED!
496.5updateFSOA::DJANCAITISNew Year, NEW ME !!Mon Mar 22 1993 11:5825
  Finally have a chance to put in a brief update on Neely......

  Visit to the vet was helpful......basically, his opinion is that
  she does not have a thyroid condition, mainly because she isn't
  exhibiting some of the other "key" symptoms...however, she does have
  very small kidneys and he said that she may be starting to have problems
  in that area.  

  What was decided was to first, try to build her up by changing food to
  the vet's K/D canned & dry - he also said to feed her the dry in smaller
  allotments, that part of the vomitting might just be eating too much too
  fast.  After awhile on the K/D, we'll have her re-evaluated and, at that
  time, if she's still not putting on weight or losing more, the vet will
  draw blood for both kidney & thyroid tests.  He didn't want to do it
  at this visit because she is so underweight - the vet said she should
  weight 8 pounds +/- and she weighed in at **just about 6 pounds ** !

  The good news is that, so far, she seems to *like* the new food (she
  can be a really picky eater), so we're in the wait&see routine for now.
  We're also being really careful to keep the other kitty OUT of the food
  and water so we can more closely monitor what she's eating & drinking.....

  Keep your fingers crossed and thanks for the support so far !
  Debbi, Ginny & the gang

496.6update on Neely - news is not goodFSOA::DJANCAITISstressful waitingWed Jul 28 1993 10:4635
     Update on Neely - the news isn't good - we brought her back to the vet
     last week - I had to take Peanut in for his yearly shots, Missy to be
     checked so we asked if we could get Neely in at the same time....

     She's down to 5-1/2 pounds, another 1/2 pound down from the last visit.
     The vet checked her over throughly and suggested drawing blood for
     a complete profile - Neely never even moved while they tried to draw 
     the blood and it took quite a while, coming *very* slowly.........

     Ginny, Neely's mom, called the vet's yesterday for the results - Neely
     has the beginnings of KIDNEY DISEASE - we're putting her back on the 
     K/D food but in order to do this, have to move her into Ginny's bedroom
     during the day so the other cats can be prevented from getting into her
     food - the two little girls (Missy & Patches) LOVE the K/D but the vet
     said it's very *bad* for them to be eating it (still too young and need
     higher protein).........Neely HATES being moved, seems to hurt her when
     she's picked up so it's not a fun routine but a necessary one............

     Ginny's going to try to get her to eat more of the K/D and have her 
     rechecked in a month - the vet says if things don't improve by then, if
     she continues with the vomiting, etc., they could try an IV-Flush (?)
     but Ginny doesn't want to put Neely through any more pain.............

     It's really hard to watch Ginny going through this, it's hard for her
     knowing that the end may be near, so any words of support, advice,
     comfort you could provide would be most welcome....for me, what can I
     do to make it easier for her, what can I say/do to support her thru 
     this ?  For both of us, if things don't improve, what should we expect,
     how long can Neely go on ?  and .....if you want to write to Ginny 
     directly (she's not a noter in this file usually), you can send to 
     WMOIS::CHAMBERLAINV.

     Sadly,
     Debbi J