Conference misery::feline

    I'd like to thank the moderators for the wonderful job they do w/ this
    conference!! 
    
    On top of all of your other daily chores (Job, homelife, breeding, cat
    clubs, etc), the fact that you take the time to moderate this file
    is AMAZING!!! I've always found that the moderation of this conference
    has been very fair. We've been encouraged by the mods from time to time
    to value differences, which makes everyone feel welcome. You all do a 
    wonderful, busy job, and It's appreciated by this feliner!
    
    Thanks again.....Purrs,
    
    Bonnie

Hi There.

  I have a request.  When you create a very long note, like one that contains
a directory listing, could you post a short "warning next reply contains a
directory listing" note in a reply before the reply containing the long note.
The reason for this is that for those of use who use decwindows notes, the 
*entire* note is loaded before you can read it.  For a long note, this can
take several minutes.  If a warning is posted, one can just hit "next unseen"
and not have to see the directory if he/she doesn't want to.

Thanks much

Dave

    Yes, I don't think we need a new directory every day also, although
    thanks for the work.  the conf isn't so big yet that people can't do a
    dir.

    The directory of the old version of Feline is very long, but it is not
    updated everyday.  Once you have seen that note, it won't show up as a
    next unseen again.  
    
    The other two directory notes are updated every day by a batch stream,
    but as of yet they are not long enough to create problems for most
    users.
    
    Jo

    RE: .8.2
    
    Note 3.0 does mention that the next reply is a listing of the archived V1
    conference, so I consider that a warning. 

    We are updating the DIRECTORY note daily for a couple of reasons.
    First, I should mention that the I/O generated by FELINE on VAXWRK
    was pretty high, especially since so many folks tended to do (and
    recommend to others) DIR/TITLEs. VAXWRK was a cluster of BIG machines,
    but MUTTON is not, and doesn't have the bandwidth to spare (not to
    mention the fact that it is no longer on the Greater Maynard Area) We are
    hoping that by keeping the conference directory updated, folks will
    just extract that locally and search through it when they need to find
    something and can't seem to locate it via keywords. At some point in the
    future we might consider putting in a warning note each day that
    proceeds the daily directories, but for now changing the batch stream
    is just another 5 minute job that none of us have time for (and as Jo
    said, right now the directory listings aren't that long that it will
    create a problem.
    
    Deb


    Deb

re: .5
But note 3.0 is not updated every time the replies are updated, so you only get
one chance to bypass the directory listing.  For those of us who read the
conference frequently, we've probably already seen that note, so we'll only 
see the replies (i.e. the directory listings) and not the base note again.  

I, for one second Dave's request.  If we start the practice now, it won't be an 
issue later (i.e. how big is too big).  I for one don't particularly care to
see a directory of notes within a topic because, as a decwindows user, I have
a directory readily available.


Kathy

>But note 3.0 is not updated every time the replies are updated, so you only get
>one chance to bypass the directory listing.  For those of us who read the
>conference frequently, we've probably already seen that note, so we'll only 
>see the replies (i.e. the directory listings) and not the base note again.  
    
    3.1 is a non-issue; 3.0 says that the next reply is the directory of
    the archived conference. Unfortunatly, when we created the new
    confernece, we put in 3.0 that the next reply would be a dir of the
    old confernce, and forgot to actually put the directory in there. When
    we realized the mistake, we put it in, and yes, if you had already seen
    3.0, it didn't help (especially if you were using the DECwindows
    interface). HOWEVER, if you have now seen it, you don't ever have to
    see it again. What will come up on a next unseen are the daily
    directories of the current conference. And yes, we will put in a
    warning note about them sometime in the future, but right now NONE OF THE
    MODERATORS HAS THE TIME TO CHANGE THE BATCH STREAM AND *TEST OUT* IF THE
    CHANGES WORK. WHEN THINGS SLOW DOWN A LITTLE, we will make this change,
    but again, the daily directory listings are not that big that it
    should impact anyone to dramatically at this time. (We are a bit
    reluctant to say WHEN because things have a tendendcy to go crazy
    whenever we announce we have plans to do something.)
    
>                                   I for one don't particularly care to
>see a directory of notes within a topic because, as a decwindows user, I have
>a directory readily available.

    The DIRECTORY topic will remain for SEVERAL reasons.
    
    1. Not everyone has a workstation.
    2. Most folks *I* know with workstations prefer the character_cell
       interface for VAX Notes
    3. For DECwindows to maintain that directory listing is actually quite
       I/O intensive. If you are trying to find something that is burried
       somewhere in the conference (and the moderators are asked to find
       things quite frequently) the fastest way is usually to get a
       directory listing and SEARCH through it. We are saving you the time
       of doing a DIR/TITLE=something, and in the process, putting a little
       less of a burden on MUTTON (which doesn't have nearly the throughput
       power that VAXWRK had, and I have to tell you, the I/O from FELINE
       brought the VAXWRK cluster to it's knees more than once.)
    
    Deb
        
    
    

>
>    The DIRECTORY topic will remain for SEVERAL reasons.
>    
>    1. Not everyone has a workstation.

	I understand this.  This is why I didn't complain at having the other
directories.  I just don't want to be forced to look at them when they get long.


>    2. Most folks *I* know with workstations prefer the character_cell
>       interface for VAX Notes

	personal opinion - I happen to prefer the windows variety, as do most
of the folks that *I* know. When you have multiple interfaces, you are bound to
have differences of opinion.  Therein lies the challenge - to try to do the best 
for both worlds, without completely alienating one of them.


>    3. For DECwindows to maintain that directory listing is actually quite
>       I/O intensive. If you are trying to find something that is burried
>       somewhere in the conference (and the moderators are asked to find
>       things quite frequently) the fastest way is usually to get a
>       directory listing and SEARCH through it. We are saving you the time
>       of doing a DIR/TITLE=something, and in the process, putting a little
>       less of a burden on MUTTON (which doesn't have nearly the throughput
>       power that VAXWRK had, and I have to tell you, the I/O from FELINE
>       brought the VAXWRK cluster to it's knees more than once.)


	I, for one, and I realize I may be an anomaly, usually try to do 
a keyword directory first if I'm trying to look for a particular topic.

	'nuf discussion.  I think you know my opinion and I yours.  

Moderators,

	thank you for note3.2

Moderators,

Thanks very muchly for note 3.2 (the directory warning note)!!!

Dave

    Can we have our meower power name back?
    

    The mods have discussed this and come up with a new conference title,
    which you have probably noticed already.  Hope you all like it. :')
    
    Jo

    Well, to be honest I don't particularly like it...or understand it.
    What does it mean? I can't see how an an interest in cats has anything
    to do with valuing differences. In any case, this is an international
    conference, and outside the US "valuing differences" is not a very 
    meaningful phrase. 

    I'd rather go back to "Meower power" - short, catchy, amusing and with
    no "PC" connotations. What was the problem with that?

    June.

    Another vote for Meower Power.
    
    Lisa
    

    What does PC mean?  I see it scattered thruout conferences and know in
    this case it does not mean personal computer.
    

    There have been times in the history of this conference when
    participants have not "valued differences."  We wish to remind folks
    that valuing differences will be practiced in this conference.  It was
    my understanding that valuing differences was a company wide attitude,
    not a regional one.
    
    Jo

	Meower Power Means Valuing Differences.

	I have no idea what that means.

	My meower certainly values the difference between her and the
	mouses...

	Is that what this means?

	Delia

    PC stands for "Politically Correct", which in my eyes is a cop-out
    phrase that I am about as sick to death of as "sending a message".
    
    K.C.

    I like plain meower power too.  
    

    "Meower Power" gets my vote!
    
    If I hear "PC" or "VD" just once more....):
    
    L-

    "PC" has definitely been sticking in my throat - I've had enough of it.
    
    "Meower Power" gets my vote as well.
    
    Giudi

If anyone fails to value differences here I think the rest of us can offer
a gentle reminder.  I'd like our conference title to make a statement about
our interest.  It sounds kind of like a policy now.  I liked the simpler
"meower power."

bill

    Mods,
    
    Is there something wrong with the conference today?  I keep having to
    read every note twice before it gets "set seen".  I also can't access
    notes 21.7 & .8 (as if it doesn't know they're there).
    
    Michelle

    I've been experiencing something similar in another conference.  I
    thought it was just me at first but the notes were definitely showing
    up twice.????????????????????????? 
    
    g

    Notes .7 and 8 were moved or deleted but the count got "stuck"
    (an endearing notes bug). Anyhow, I put in a new reply (.9), the
    deleted it (.9), and the reply count went to 6.
    
    Deb
    FELINE co-mod

    RE: .24
    
    MUTTON was having a few problems the other day, and, if you look real
    closely, you will find that notes actually posted on 9-MAR have a date
    of 10-MAR. It turns out the system was brought up with the wrong date,
    and by the time the system manager corrected it, several notes had
    been posted. What this means to you is that your unseen map might be a
    bit messed up, or that you will experience what .24 is experencing.
    
    Deb
    FELINE co-moderator (who got has a mail message from Jo dated 10-MAR
                         that I recieved on 9-MAR)
    
    Deb

    RE: Meower Power and valuing differences
    
    The conference title is a real good example of what this reply is all
    about. It is called a "compromise". We like "Meower Power", too, but
    we are also battle weary of how often differences haven't been valued,
    so we'd like to put in a gentle reminder to folks, and in a place that
    folks have to see it. 
    
    Soooo, "Meower Power" will remain in the title, as will "Valuing
    Differences". If folks don't like "Meower Power Means Valuing
    Differences", here are a few others that we would consider:
    
    	Meower Power is Valuing Differences
    	Meower Power Values Differences
    	Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Valued
    	Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are Respected 
    	Meower Power -  This Conference Values Differences
    
    You are welcome to suggest any similar compromise. Jo will tally the
    votes... :-)
    
    Deb
    FELINE co-moderator

         I like Meower Power too, but if we need to have something about VD
    ....
    
         Of the list you have, I like Meower Power - Where Differing
    Opinions are Respected.  For some reason the word "respected" feels
    better to me than "valued", maybe because (for me) the word "valued"
    implies judging others where "respected" doesn't.
    
    					- Andrea

    My vote goes for "Meower Power - Where Differing Opinions are
    Respected"
    
    K.C.

    This conference title discussion sums up the problem with this file -
    it should be all about felines and not politics. I frequently drop out
    of this file for months on end after a burst of over moderation ... I
    can feel another attack coming on. Why can't we have the old title and
    go back to the moderation policy of about 2 years ago? There is nothing
    wrong with discussion, there is nothiong wrong with being told off for
    going too far. Let's get back to discussing felines and leave being PC
    for another conference. People should remember that there are noters
    from all over the world in this conference with many different views,
    but we don't need it rammed down our throats - afterall, we are all
    adults in here :-)
    
    
    
    Just my opinion,
    
    Lisa.
    
    PS The "PC" reference is tongue in cheek, but I can't remember the face
    for it!

    Re: .30 P.S.:
    
    Try ;^)  <----- a winking smiley.  That's my fave.  :^)
    
    K.C.

    Ditto .28 & .29   --although I really don't see what the big deal is!
    
    IMHO   --Michelle

    Hi folks, I must tell you that I do not think that it is a good idea
    to separate the kitties who need a home from the rest of the notes in
    this file.  The reason is simple, if a person is looking for a kitty 
    then yes they will go to a special file but sometimes a person who is
    not necessarily looking for a kitty will see a note come up describing
    a special kitty that needs a home and perhaps they will in fact 
    consider adoption.  This is how I found homes for kitties in the past
    in this file.  People who at first said "I already have 4 or 3 or 6 or
    whatever, but then, well whats one more.  I put a note in yesterday
    morning and in the past I would hear from at least 3 or 4 folks within
    the 24 hour period.  I have heard nothing yet.  
    
    Anyway, I just wanted to express my opinion.  My concern is for the
    kitties that desperately need homes.   I would want to give them EVERY
    chance possible to be adopted.
    
    Thanks
    Arlene

    Arlene,

    I disagree.  Having "adoptions" in one note helps readers because it's
    *organized*.  If I was looking for a cat, I wouldn't be reading every
    new note entered, I would specifically be focusing on the note for
    adoptions and would read all the replies.  For those of us that are
    regular readers, we come across new entries every day, whether they are
    replies to an existing note or a new note.

    Also, you will find that due to the recession, many people are strapped
    for cash and can't afford the luxury of adding another cat to their
    family.  Shelters are overflowing with animals because people keep
    losing their jobs (and for various other reasons) and they need to cut
    back on spending.  There's also a lot less people at DEC now, so
    perhaps that is why you aren't being "bombarded" with responses.  Hang
    in there and be patient....

    There is also the chance that some kind soul not necessarily looking
    for a new furball to love would come across the new adoption note (IN
    the adoption topic) simply by the "Next Unseen", so its not as if
    people don't have the opportunity to see it.
    
    I agree with the "Adoption" topic! (But then again, I always WAS very
    organized!)
    
    K.C.

    The main reason that this notesfile is set up with an adoption topic is
    to keep the file organized, and to slow the rapid growth of this file.
    
    If you go back into Feline-V1 and look closely at the directory, you
    will find that almost 50% of all new topics created were from people
    advertising cats that needed a new home.  During the spring and summer
    months, sometimes more than 50% of topics were adoption notices.  
    
    When Feline needed a new home, we had to archive it and start it over
    because it was quite simply too big and taking up too much space.  Now
    that Feline has a home on MUTTON, part of my job as moderator is to
    keep it to a manageable size.  It is because of this that we have some
    topics set aside to cover the most often discussed topics, such as
    Adoptions, Lost Cats, Shelters, FUS, etc.
    
    Most noters read notes using the next unseen command.  When using next
    unseen, the reader will see each note chronologically until they have
    seen all notes.  It doesn't make any difference when you read with this
    command whether a note is a reply to an existing topic, or a new
    topic, you will still see it.  For that reason, adoptions get no more
    or less attention as a reply than they would as a new topic.
    
    
    Jo                                                             

    I couldn't find a system status note, so I thought I would ask this
    here.  When reading this file and hitting next unseen, it goes back to
    notes I've already read.  Sometimes it takes me back the same note 2 or
    3 times.  Is there a problem with the system?  This seems to be the
    only conference it's happening in.
    
    Karen

    Occasionally what happens is that someone notices a mistake in a note
    they've posted, does a delete, then a reply or write/last to
    fix it up.  You may see both versions, or even three.....I've been known
    to make two mistakes in a row myself.....
    

    WHat you have observed can happen under a number of circumstances.
    It can happen under the conditions Karen described, it can happen if
    you have read something and shortly after you read it, the moderator
    has moved it (in this case it will have a new note number), it can
    sometimes happen if you are reading the confernece and the link goes
    down to MUTTON (and for some reason your notebook's seen bitmap
    didn't get set). It can also happen if the conference has some form of
    RMS corruption. If this happens to you again, please let the
    moderators know what notes this seems to be happening with, so that if
    it is an RMS corruption problem we can uncorrupt the file.
    
    
    Thanks,
    Deb
    FELINE co-moderator

    Help!
    
    I KNOW there is a note for the number to call for spay/neuter discount
    certificates.  A friend of mine needs it, and I can't find it!  I've
    looked and looked.
    
    K.C.

    K.C.  I have FOA (Friends of the Animals) certificates, if you want
    one.  We've been writing offline, so I'll catch you there about it.
    
    Nan

    I have cross-posted a note that contains the FOA phone number into
    topic 9, the addresses and phone numbers note.
    
    To find the phone number, I did a "show key/full spay_neuter" which
    brought up a list of two topics that are keyed to spay and neuter.  I
    went to the first topic listed, number 73, and the note with the phone
    number was the first reply.
    
    Jo

    In case you are wonder what happened to note 298.0, I moved the note
    4.155 (the adoption topic).  However, there is something strange 
    happening to 298.0 now.  It says there are 2 replies; there was only
    1 and it appears to have been lost in the transfer.  Also, topic 298
    has resisted everything I have tried to delete it.  It tells me it has
    deleted and then I look and it is still there.
    
    Jan

    Not to sure where to put this note...but I'll try here!!
    
    I just want to comment on the "limited" participation in the
    feline file recently...which is really getting me depressed.  I
    feel like a lost kitten who needs to find a new home.  Where did
    all our wonderful, compasionate friends go...where is the support
    which we all have received from this file in the past!!  An example
    of this is if you look back at new notes from folks looking for
    support for a sick cat or a cat that has just passed away...you
    will find limited support. (if any)   I know how wonderful this
    file made me feel when I went through Van Gogh's sickness...you
    guys kept me sane with all your support and I couldn't thank you
    enough.
    
    What's happening......it is my opinion that we lost some of our friends
    after the feline moved to a new node.   I'm not knocking the
    moderators...because believe me I wouldn't want the job...but is it
    because people are afraid to write...are we afraid to add a note for
    fear it will be moved...are we afraid to comment because we fear we
    cannot value differences.  I can't believe in my heart that it is 
    because we no longer love cats or we no longer want to provide support.
    And I do understand we lost some folks to Serp....but there is more 
    to it then that.  
    
    What's happening....I love this file and want to bring back the
    compassion and support.  I don't want to open a can of worms....
    but maybe if we can find out why everyone "bailed out"...we can
    resolve some of the issues.
    
    Sandy (who feels lost!)   
                           

    I don't feel it's anything against our fellow feliners or moderators.
    I'm sure there are alot of outside sources effecting the number of
    notes. Here are my thoughts on what's going on.
    
    Vacation: here it is June already, and people ACTUALLY are taking
    vacations! Man, I'd LOVE to have a vacation about now! So, I'm assuming
    that some of our fellow feliners are taking a well-deserved vacation.
    
    Company: the rumors are spreading again. It's possible that alot of
    people are spending less time in notes, and more time worrying about
    their jobs. Or, it's just the stress of the job that people don't feel
    like writing.
    
    Jo: Since Jo has been home recouperating, she hasn't been as active in
    the feline file. However, when she does log in, she's pretty active!
    Anyhow, I notice daily who the majority of the writers are, and Jo is
    definitely one of them! (Bet she didn't realize what an influence she
    had on the notes file!) 
    
    Cat shows: For those people who show their cats, it's the end of the
    season, and alot of award are being presented at the annual meetings
    (for example, CFA's is this weekend). I've noticed that there are not
    a lot of shows during the summer, so there's not as much activity. 
    
    Weather: I don't know about your part of the country, but in this area
    (Wash, DC/Maryland/Virginia) it's been unseasonably cool, and very,
    very nice! I'd much rather be gazing outside, getting into work early
    and leaving early to enjoy the afternoon! 
    
    Kittens: I, for one, have been so busy with my recent litter (really,
    they're not mine, they're Gracies', and she has to keep reminding me of
    that!) that I don't spend the time in the evenings in feline like I
    used to. I notice alot of people in this file not only have one litter,
    but several to take care of! I can almost understand what they're going
    through!
    
    Moderation: The moderators can feel free to move ANY of my notes into
    another topic if I've messed up. I don't think anyone should be
    offended. I'd much rather those notes are more easily found -- sort of
    like writing a paper. You don't start another paper when you could have
    included it into your initial thesis!
    
    Conclusion: In conclusion, I'm assuming that all of the above factors
    have taken place, and that is why the conference is lacking
    participation! I could write about Charlie, Shanti, Gracie, P.A.,
    Robbie, and all 5 of my kittens, but I think you guys would get a
    little sick about hearing about them all the time!
    
    Okay guys, start writing!!!
    
    Cheryl
    

    I'm a newer Feliner, and hate to have to leave.  But, my contract sez
    that I have to "beat feet" outta here next week.
    
    I DON' WANNA GO!!!!!
    
    I'm hoping for the day that I can get back onto a system, log back in,
    and TYPE, TYPE, TYPE!
    
    I still can't get over the support and responses I got when I wrote
    about my loss of Tiki II...and that was a few months after the fact! 
    You all also allayed my husbands fears...he was afraid that people
    would think him "silly" for STILL missing Tiki so.  He now feels that
    he is "allowed" to miss Tiki as much as he wants, for as long as he
    wants (me too).
    
    This is STILL the fastest moving NOTESfile that I belong to!  :^)
    
    K.C.

    I'm not sure about other folks, but I tend to send replies via Email to
    the people. Sometimes I have things to say that don't seem proper in
    the public forum. 
    
    I agree though, that a lot of the factors already stated probably have
    a great deal to do with the slowness of the conference. It is still the
    most active file I read also!
    
    Y

    As some of you have noticed, Jo hasn't been able to particpate as much
    recently due to her surgery.  Jo Ann is a wealth of information about
    feline diseases, behavior, etc.  I'm doing my best to fill in for her
    as moderator but I just don't have the knowledge base that she has.
    I know I depend on her replies to the topics requesting information
    on specific illnesses, etc.
    
    Another one of our members was not noting as much recently either
    (again due to surgery).  Dian Wilde has been recuperating and I notice
    now that she is popping in here now and again.
    
    As one of the previous replies mentioned, there are vacations, SERP,
    etc.  I believe the support is still there, its just that people's
    time in the file may be more limited.  For myself, I spend so much
    time playing moderator lately that I haven't had much time to spend
    doing other things with my limited noting time.
    
    Jan

      We have lost quite a few people it seems recently.  .46 is another
    example, goodby K.C.!  Maybe you'll be back soon.....
      I think everyone is concerned about their job, how they spend their
    time, etc., waiting for that big announcement to come.  I lot of people
    I talk to spend less time in notes files.
      I think we are much too close and friendly a group to ever become
    cold to one another.  This is the only file I know where the people are
    so close and get together and enjoy cats so much.
      We just have things on our minds I guess.
    
      Denise

    Thanks for sharing your comments and opinions....I do agree with
    most of it but I still feel we have been losing some long time 
    feliners one-by-one over the last few months.        
    
    Maybe everyone needs a break for awhile....but I sure miss reading
    about everyones furry babies!!  
    
    We sure do miss Jo's knowledge in this file...and Jan your doing
    a great job moderating while she is away!!!!! 
    
    Sandy (who could write about her many kids forever!!)
    
    
    
    
    

    re .44 and on:
    
    I fully agree with .45 about the reasons.
    I am user of a lot of notesfiles, and among them all FELINE is the
    most turbulent I assure You! I sometimes had trouble to read the almost
    too many notes and replies...
    I am sure we DO love cats. And each other, too. Keep your head high,
    Sandy, if I am not on field, I am always here for you (and for all the
    other lads an' lasses) with may useless but loving words. And feel free
    to contact me directly on a topic if it is so (I am E-mailing with half
    of the world, after business hours I sit another hour before the screen
    to 'do my mail').
    
    Meow!
    Nat

    I tend to think the JOBS notes file gets a bit more traffic than
    FELINERS at the moment....  Wonder if any of us will be left after the
    magic of July?????
    
    Sandy, don't be depressed.  Many of the replies before this one list a
    number of good reasons why people haven't been noting.  Why, I haven't
    even had it in me lately to pick on you about whole males!  :^) 
    
    My advice to Sandy - plan that gathering at the Pat Brody shelter and
    you'll see all the positive responses.  Just make sure that you tell
    everyone that cancels out at the last minute that we are going to make
    this conference membership only and they won't be allowed in.  That
    will teach em.  :^) :^)  (just kidding folks)

    Hi Sandy.. tis Moi.. well I think that past notes kind of put some
    sanity around the question of the day.. Where is everyone these
    days. I can only speak for myself, when I tell all of you,,
    that just because you do not hear from me, that does not
    mean all of my friends here in feline are not  on my mind.
    Just to bring you all up to date,, the girls and I are fine.
    I will be at the show in Needham this weekend with MS Preschie.
    MAMACIN will be there as well.. so stop on by and visit for
    a bit. I am excited to finally have the time to get to a
    show(the last one I did was in December ,seems like light years
    ago.) Kissy got a POP award from CFF,, for Best Tortie
    Exotic SH Alter,, she was very Blase' about the whole thing,,
    although I have been told that she occasionally takes
    the certificate out and waves it at Preschie.. and
    mutters things like" I would like to thank the Academy, my
    MAMACIN, my parents, THE FIRM..ETC. smirk grin giggle.
    I can also tell you that MS PRESCHIE has been less than
    gracious about Kissy's day in the sun.. that "sweet open
    expression has gone south.. BIGTIME.. she er um has
    some concerns about having an "INGENUE" in the house..
    she wrote Auntie Marlene,, told MAMACIN all about it...
    and I suspect has been in contact with THE FIRM..
    Anyway,, more later.. line forming, phone ringing..
    Kate, Happy, Preschie and Kissy..

    
    Well, this is the first note I trully saw when I got back into the
    file today....I have been in and out on a very limited basis due
    to the amount of work in our department.  With the way the  people
    are leaving DEC, there is more to do on the part of each person in
    our group.  So sorry for not being there for everyone.  I feel
    doubly guilty in that when I picked up Sophie off the street back
    a few months, so many of you came to my aid.  And I haven't been
    in the file in so long that I had to do a set seen/before or I
    would NEVER have gotten through all the new notes.
    
    Sandy, you are right.  A lot of us haven't been there.  Will try
    to get in more often.
    
    Nancy

    Boy this note caught me off guard tonight!  I logged in over an hour
    ago and the date was 22-June-1992, and an hour later I am only up to
    the 26th of June!!  I was thinking that a *LOT* of noting was going on
    here in my absence! ;')
    
    I think that with the current state of the company, the fact that it is
    summer, the fact that me and my big mouth can't log in very often, and
    that some of our heavy hitter noters have lots of things going on in
    their personal lives all comes into play in why the file may seem
    slower.
    
    Even when Feline resided on VAXWRK we had periods where there would be
    reduced noting.  Also, when we moved Feline to MUTTON we did anticipate
    slightly reduced noting since we figured that east coasters who were
    used to the speed of VAXWRK would be turned off by MUTTON.  But, since
    MUTTON was the only available home at the time, that was how it had to
    be.  But, the thing is, I never really felt that moving the file to
    MUTTON affected the number of notes.  This file was off to a fast start
    right from the beginning.  Think about it, even with our repository
    notes, and massive organization, this file has grown quite a bit in the
    8 months it has been on MUTTON.
    
    And please, everyone, do not be offended if a note of yours gets moved
    to another location.  We moderators do not like moving notes, but we do
    like to be able to find important info quickly when someone needs it. 
    Keeping the file organized helps with this effort.  Please don't take
    it personally.  And, if you wish to avoid the note moving thing, you
    can check the keywords before you create a note to see if a note on
    your topic already exists.
    
    For now, I can only afford to log in about once a week or so.  Maybe
    even less once my housekeeper starts working (but I HAVE to have a
    housekeeper).  So, I will add what I can when I can.  Don't get lonely
    Sandy. Lots of us are here, but many of us are read only sometimes.
    
    Jo

    
    
    	For lack of a better place to put this.
    
    	What was up (or down as the case may be =)  ) with FELINE
    	for the past week or so?  Did WRO10C have a major crash
    	or something?
    
    	JJ
    

    Hi Judy,
    
     To save Jan a bit of time and trouble, the machine with WRO10C on it
    was brought down several times because of space constraints in their
    computer room (she called it something else but I forget what) caused
    by plant closings and reorgs. They kept plugging it in, and someone
    else kept taking it back down.
    
     She said it may end up on MISERY, but I haven't heard any more about
    that from her. I'm just glad it's back! I was going through severe
    withdrawal without it! ;-)
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    Yonee
   

    Yonee,

    Severe withdrawals is right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I'm sure glad it's back !!!

    Thanks, Jan, for keeping on top of things to get the machine running
    again - I just hope now we don't have as much downtime if/when they
    do move to another machine !

    HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!11
    Debbi

    Corporate wisdom has elected to use the term "work cell" to describe
    certain office areas like the one where WRO10C has had its recent
    troubles.  This may be an appropriate term, IME.
    
    Thanks to Jan for getting everything up and running again (and for
    keeping me/us informed via the TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES and also
    through Email).  You get my vote for moderator of the year!
    
    Carl-whose-blood-pressure-and-stress-levels-are-getting-back-to-normal

    
    
    	Silly me...I should have thought to check EASYNET ...
    
    	Thanks for the update Yonee and thanks Jan! 
    
    	JJ
    

    Thanks for all the nice things everyone has said.
    
    Part of the problem with WRO10C was that once we got it put
    back where it belonged, the hookup to the network died.  
    Since the system manager had some other pressing priorities
    surrounding the move we weren't able to get in and figure
    out what the actual problem was until last night.
    
    FELINE will be moving to MISERY.  I just have to choose the
    date and time.  The sooner, the better as far as we are
    concerned here.  WRO10C is a MicroVAX.  MISERY is a much 
    larger machine (though I can't remember what kind at the 
    moment).
    
    So, prepare yourselves for a brief outage.  I'll try to
    give you as much notice as possible.
    
    Jan
    

    Great job Jan! I see the conference is migrating tonight! I'll modify
    my account before I leave today.
    
    Thanks again for all your work in getting FELINE back on line for all
    of us!
    
    Love,
    
     Yonee