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A quick check through my collection revealed the following DDDs...

1. "The Nightfly", Donald Fagan (ex Steely Dan). Great  production
                   and music. Drums seem to be mixed "forward" and
                   closely miked. I prefer this. Invest the $.

2. "Body and Soul", Joe Jackson. Intersting liner notes concerning
                  production techniques. This one can be LOUD.

3. "Like A Virgin", Madonna. I found it disappointing sonically.

4. "In Square Circle", Stevie Wonder. Maybe too bright? Not bad.

Also, I believe "Brothers In Arms" by Dire Straits is DDD but I
don't have the CD to verify.

Good idea for a note. I'm getting eye strain looking for the DDD,
ADD, or AAD labeling on the wrappers. Seems to me most of those
that have it (labeling) are AADs anyhow.

Please, noters, more titles!

Edd

Of course there is TELARC's Calif. Project.  My kids play it non-stop.

-- Dave

I'll confirm that "Brothers In Arms" by Dire Straits is DDD.  On the back
of my copy it says "A Full Digital Recording".

Rich

Jean-Michel Jarre's "Zoolook" id DDD.

Not only is it DDD, but it is really worth listening to as well.  [Opinions
expressed herein are expressed under the sole responsibility of their author.
They do not constitute an endorsement by Digital Equipment Corporation or
any of its subsidiaries.   :-)   ]
                          

Stephane Rousset
Application Development Group
Information Services
EHQ - Geneva, Switzerland.
                                                       

THE JAZZ SINGER soundtrack by Neil Diamond isn't three letter labeled, but the
disk says "digital recording" or "digital mastering", I don't remember which,
and the sound is excellent.

Two of Rickie Lee jones' albums, PIRATES and THE MAGAZINE are digitally
recorded. One assumes (though it's certainly not necessarily true) that any
album that has been recorded digitally has been mixed and mastered digitally
as well.

Since I'm not sure where you draw the line on "pop" music, I'll add Stanley
Jordan's MAGIC TOUCH to the list of DDD discs.

--- jerry

Billy Joel was interviewed in some issue of Digital Audio which I don't
have at hand, and he said that the initial releases of Nylon Curtain on
CD sounded awful.  I don't remember if the problem was fixed.
					Steve

Rather then hunting for the DDD markings you can try to look a the side
of the jewel box. If, in the corner, it reads: "DIGITAL STEREO" and not
just STEREO as most pop CD read then chances are pretty high it'd an DDD.

All DDD cd's i've seen carry the DIGITAL STEREO mark, but the reverse
is not always true. Like "The Alan Parson Project, Piramid".

In my collection I have "Ry cooder, bop till you drop"; "Saga, In Transit"
and debatbly pop: "Shirley Bassey, I am what I am" as DDD pop recordings.

The adverbs here (france) further indicate:

	Spencer davis/Pete York/Collin Hodginkson, Live together, INAK 8410
	Papa Doo Run Run, California Project, Telarc CD 70501
	The Alarm, Declarations, IP25887
	Madonna, Like  a Virgin, WEA 925572
	Ry Cooder, Borderline
	Joe Jackson, Body and Soul, Pol 3950002, cbs aml 65000
	Klaus Schulze, Audentity, IMP
	Dan Fogelberg, Greatest
	James Harvest Barclay, Ring of changes, POL 6116382
	Logic System, Orient Express, RFM TEC 2015
	
                                                              
Hope this helps,

	Hein.

For all you Boss fans out there, the Bruce Springsteen "BORN IN THE U.S.A."
disk is not only DDD but I read that it was the first CD that was ever
manufactured in the U.S.A. for general sale.  I think it was made in the
new CD plant in Muncie (or somewhere), Indiana.

Pretty good sound, also.

JR

In case you didn't know everything on the Telarc label is DDD, even their LP's!
They started as a digital recording outfit making vinyl LP's, thus had a lot of
good quality masters when the CD media rolled along. They seem to understand the
digital recording process better than most, thus the sonic quality of there
disks is usually good. 

RE: .5

The phrases "digital recording" or "digital mastering" on a CD don't mean
anything.  That's why the AAD/ADD/DDD code was developed in the first place.

An important point to keep in mind is that a poor recording engineer can
botch an album just as thoroughly using digital recording and mixing equipment
as he can with analog equipment.  I have AAD CDs with sound that I consider
superb, and I've heard DDD CDs whose sound quality I consider poor.

--PSW

Another DDD recording is Elton John's latest album "Ice on fire".

Svein.

RE .10   How does one get a DDD LP? Doesn't the final D stand for the media?
I believe a digitally recorded/mastered LP would be labeled "DDA".

I believe I read in Stereo Review that, according to it's chief honcho, the
secret to Telarc's sound lies in it's minimalist recording techniques. They
generally use 3 strategicly placed mikes where other outfits use many more.

Edd

When you don't have distortion covering up your mistakes, you have to
be real careful about mic technique.  Too many mics will give you
strange interference and phasing effects.  Telarc does it right.
Von Karajan does it wrong.

Now, how many pop/rock groups record a real stereo image of a live
performance?  Not many.

re .13

Nope, the final D is not the media, but the master. Go back and read note #217.5
or #217.10. Maybe Telarc ought to be D0D, as I don't think they edit/mix the
tape, just record live to master digital tape. I think Shefield CDs would also
be in this category. 

re .13 and .14

Yup. GIGO holds for audio. Too bad, as my wife really likes Von Karajan's
interpretations. Also too bad Telarc can't go back 30 years and record Bruno
Walter! 

The Scorpions 'Love at First Sting' is a full Digital Recording.

\Doug

	One CD that I think is the greatest and demonstrates the full 
potential of CD players is "time Warp".  It has a picture of one those 
Apollo mission views from the earth on the front cover.  The music is so
good that a warning is put on front cover that this CD might actually blow
your speakers out.  I'm not kidding!  You can buy it at Lechmere's or most
CD stores.  It's excellent!

Ron Goodstein

Time Warp is a Telarc disk. The disk and its warning have been discused in this
file before, but I can't find the old note. Search if you wish. 

I don't know if you consider this "pop", but Kiri Te Kanawa's album of
show tunes, "Blue Skies", is DDD.

As mentioned in some other note, Quarterflash's new "Back Into Blue" is all
digital (hence DDD, although I haven't looked for the actual designation).

The "Welcome to the Pleasure Dome" CD, by Frankie Goes To Hollywood, is
DDD.

Pat

The Talking Heads - Little Creatures is DDD.

(includes... little babies... and she was...)

re .22

That's funny, my copy has the following statement on the back
"The music on this Compact Disc was originally recorded on analog equipment.
 We have attempted to preserve as closely as possible, the sound of the original
 recording.  Because of  its high resolution, however, the Compact Disc can
 reveal limitations of the source tape."

To me, this implies AAD (well, maybe at best ADD), not DDD.

Rich

re:.23

That's Warner Brothers for you. That's their standard disclaimer. In
another note, I mentioned that they had the same disclaimer on Rickie
Lee Jones' PIRATES and THE MAGAZINE, though the liner notes on both
say that they were recorded on a 3M multi-track digital recorder.

--- jerry

re:  -1

I disagree.  I have 3 discs from WB, (Dire Straights "Brothers in Arms", and 
Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" and "Little Creatures") and only the "Little 
Creatures" has that disclaimer.

rE:.25

On the other hand, I have a fair number of Warner Bros disks, and BROTHER
IN ARMS is the only one that I didn't notice the disclaimer on. It may
well be that some (most?) of the time, it's only on the outer packaging,
and not on the disk or liner notes themselves.

--- jerry

I have another CD from WB that is DDD (not Brothers In Arms), although I
don't recall the title.  

- M

    Some more DDD's:
    
    - Marillion's Latest album, "Misplaced Childhood" is a real DDD,
      though it is not said on the cover, only on the disk.
    
    - Talking Heads's "Stop Making Sense" is a live recording onto some
      24-track Sony Digital recorder. (This is an answer to .14)
    
    - Joe Jackson's "Big World" is another live one DDD.
    
    - Depeche Mode's "Some Great Reward" seems to be another very good
      sounding DDD-CD, but I do not have it myself (yet).
    
    So, there's loads of DDD's by now, I'd say...
    
    Herman Verkade
    TSC-Utrecht, Holland                            
    
                                         

    Rush's latest, Power Windows, (from Polygram) is DDD, and so
    labeled on the back, and the music is pretty terrific, too.
    
    Dave W.

       Anyone know if the Everly Bros "REUNION IN CONCERT" CD has good
    sonic quality. I spotted it last weekend and almost bought it, but
    at the last minute picked up something else instead. It was a DDD
    disk and had about 20 tracks on one CD. I roughly added up about
    70 minutes of music

    There's a new Frank Zappa DDD disk available in Germany which is
    called: "Does Humor Belong in Music". 
    So come for shopping...
    
    	Stefan

    Re .31:
        The Zappa disc is also released in the US.  Unfortunately, I
    hear it's a waste, even on vinyl.  (This opinion comes from a friend
    who is a Zappa fan - I'm not, and haven't heard the album.)
    					Steve

	Re .32:
	
	I bought  the  disc  a while ago and like it a lot! Good clean
	sound, new interesting arrangements of old songs, and a couple
	of  new  ones as well. Not too many weird guitar solos either.
	Personally  I  think  "Does Humor Belong In Music?" would be a
	nice  disc  to  get  for  someone  who hasn't heard much of FZ
	before, but who would like to get acquainted with his music.
	
	All the songs are recorded live with no overdubs, but one song
	isn't  necessarily  recorded  in  one take. Instead, the first
	part  of  a song may be from one concert, the guitar solo from
	another  performance  etc.  There is not a trace of rhythm- or
	pitch-variations though! I guess that means they really bother
	with getting their instruments tuned before every performance.

	Value for  money  is pretty good with over 60 min. of music on
	the  disc.  The  liner  notes  imply  that  there are more DDD
	recordings in preparation for CD-release!
	
	There is a video with the same name as the CD recorded live at
	the  Pier  in  NYC. The songs on the video (which was shown on
	Swedish TV a couple of weeks back) are not all the same as the
	ones that are on the album. Nice video!

	Speaking of   Zappa,  I  recently  bought  one  of  Rykodisc's
	Zappa-CDs,  the  one with Overnite Sensation and Apostrophe on
	it.  Of  course  this  disk  isn't  DDD, but the sound differs
	significantly  from  that  of  the  albums. This is probably a
	result  of both digital remixing and remastering. Need I say I
	like the result? Unfortunately the lyrics to Apostrophe aren't
	included  with  the  CD  as they are with the vinyl album, but
	what the hey!
	
	Applause to  Rykodisc for caring about the preservation of (in
	my opinion) great music on a great medium!
	
	- GL -
    

    Paul McCartney's "Pipes Of Peace" is a digital recording.
    
    His two more recent ones are not, however. (Broad Street and Press
    To Play).  Why didn't he make them digital?  Certainly expense should
    not be a consideration for McCartney.  Any Ideas?
    

    The new  Tina Turner CD "Break Every Rule" is DDD. A goodsounding
    disc! Ms Turner has had some of the best help available. David
    Bowie has written one track, Mark Knopfler another, Ruper Hine two
    tracks including the title track. Phil Collins plays drums on a
    couple of tracks, Steve Winwood plays synthesizer on on track and
    so on...
    
    Overall a wellproduced album. 50 min. of music.

    Security	- Peter Gabriel 
    		  This disc really displays the Fairlight (digital synth)
    		  sounds well.
    		  Geffen 2011-2
    		  (I believe that `So' is also DDD, but my copy is at
    		   home right now...)
    
    Magic Touch	- Stanley Jordan
    		  Perhaps not quite Pop/Rock but really impressive guitar
    		  playing (one man, no overdubs).  I am sure there are
    		  other references to it in this file somewhere.
    		  Blue Note (!) CDP 7 46092 2
    
    Richard
    

    Billy Joel - "The Bridge" is DDD.  I'm suprised that noone has mentioned
    it; it's very good.  
    
    - M
    
    ps what is the implication of "Billy Joel" being a registered
    trademark?  

    Queen's "The Works" is DDD.  Some good stuff on it, but I do prefer
    their earlier albums.
    
    I believe the Billy Joel trademark ensures that noone can market
    anything with his name on it (T-shirts, souveniers, etc.)

    'Til Tuesday's new disc, Welcome Home, is DDD and a beautiful
    recording.  My favorite songs are "Coming Up Close" and "Will She
    Just Fall Down."

    I just picked up The Church's HEYDAY on CD. It says it is digitally
    recorded, digitally mixed, and digitally mastered, so it must be
    DDD.
    
    Jeff
    

    RE .39
    
    I agree, "Coming Up Close" by 'Til Tuesdays is a great song.  I
    can't resist playing air bass guitar everytime I hear it.  With
    the CD, it sound like I'm really playing it!
    
    I saw 'Til Tuesday last summer on the Boston Commons.  Aime Mann
    explained that "Coming Up Close" was inspired from an "encounter"
    with a backup guitarist for Hall & Oates in an Iowa cornfield.  :^)
    
    
    						-Paul