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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Mar 03 1989
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Number of topics:1517
Total number of notes:13349

54.0. "Pat Metheny, As Falls Wichita" by JACOB::J_MCLEMAN () Thu Dec 06 1984 00:18

Just picked up on Metheny's As falls Wichita, with Lyle Mays. Superb! The
sonics are pretty impressive. My vinyl copy reeks of disgusting distortion
of the low end. But, the CD is very refreshing. Go in the other room, and
it sounds pretty good, too. Just thought I alert people to it being out.
It's on the ECM label,too. Definitly nice.

Jay
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54.1BAGELS::ROSENBAUMThu Dec 06 1984 19:534
My vinyl copy is pretty clean.  I suppose that it being a Japanese pressing
has something to do with it..

__Rich
54.2PYRITE::WEAVERSat Dec 08 1984 23:364
I also have the ECM CD and find it superb.

						-Dave
54.3AKOV68::BOYAJIANThu Jan 24 1985 05:5610
I just picked it up, and I feel the same way. I've also picked up the
Methany Group's 80/81, and that is superb, too. One complaint, though,
is that it leaves off two of the numbers from the LP because of
"limitations in the medium" (or some such nonsense). I understand that
CD's can only hold about 74 minutes of music, but by cutting those two
numbers, 80/81 was brought down to about 58 minutes. They could have
left in *either one* of those two numbers and still come out under the
limit. Oh, well.

--- jerry
54.4BELKER::BLESSLEYTue Aug 13 1985 19:487
Could someone characterize "As Falls...". I loved "American Garage". I hated
"New Chataqua(?)".
                                                                            
Thanks.

-Scott

54.5PBSVAX::HALBERTTue Aug 13 1985 22:049
Side 2 of As Falls is similar to American Garage, Offramp, etc. Side 1 is
much weirder, but enjoyable. I like the beginning somewhat more.

Metheny seems to come in three flavors: rather conventional jazz (80/81,
etc.), American Garage style (used as interludes on All Things Considered),
and far out (I heard a noisy tribute to Ornette Coleman at a concert). Side
1 of As Falls is between the latter two. I have not heard New Chataqua.

--Dan
54.6ELUDOM::CLARKWed Aug 14 1985 03:2114
RE: .4 and .5

My introduction to Pat Metheny and Lyle Mayes was Joni Mitchell's first
LV disc, "Shadows and Light".  Pat has a wonderful solo, backed up some very
melodic synthesizer work by Lyle.

I then set out to find more.  My first stop was "New Chatauqua" and I was
disappointed.  I was much happier with "Off Ramp" and "Travels".  "Falls"
is even better - more of Lyle's lush synthesizer.

My favorite is still Pat and Lyle's backup for Joni!  (She's in fine form
as well.)

-- Ward
54.7RAVEN1::HEFFELFINGERThu Aug 15 1985 01:236
One vote *for* "New Chautauqua".  (My 2 cents.)  It's strange and different  
but it appeals to me more than "American Garage".  "80/81" is spotty.  Mostly
great.  Some of Mr. Brecker's noodling is more than I can handle.  I haven't
heard "Falls" so I can't compare.  Anyone seen "New Chautauqua" on CD?

Gary
54.8GRAFIX::MIDDLETONTue Sep 24 1985 12:193
Another vote for "New Chautauqua."  I like it a lot, especially the way it
drifts around, then coalesces.  It's almost like musical evolution.  It is
my favorite, followed by "Falls" and "American Garage."
54.9ALIEN::MCANULTYThu Oct 17 1985 19:5712
I consider myself a PM official great fan.  

-5: was that the last show he did in Boston at the Orpheum
   (tribute to Ornette).  Great show.  I have 80/81 on disc, and Wichita
   on disc.  Both are superb. I have all the albums, and I was very, very
   dissapointed with Rejoicing. But a great bounce back with Firt Circle.
   If you want to hear a great piece. The soundtrack from Falcon and a Snowman
   is a great album.  Also Pat's Solo, and Joanie's Woodstock made my all
   time Great Jazz Travel Tape.

		miek
		(mike for short)
54.10EAGLE1::KONGThu Dec 26 1985 00:447
I noticed that my Offramp CD sounds very different from the album
in that the CD has a lot more bass and less treble.  I wonder if
it has something to do with the CD player (Technics SLP1) or the
CD itself.

Anyone else noticed CD sounding worse than the LP?

54.11Help!AQUA::MPALMERThu Jan 07 1988 15:3712
    The last note in this file was a couple of years ago, but I've got
    a question for the Pat Metheny fans out there....
    
    Could someone tell me what albums are along the lines of the new
    one, Life Still(talking)?  I really enjoy this one, but I had Song
    X (with Ornette Coleman) and didn't like it at all.  
    
    I need some guidence on this guy!  I'd like to hear some more of
    his stuff like Life Still(talking)
    
    Can anyone help me out????
    
54.12WCSM::ALVIDREZArt for Art's Sake!Thu Jan 07 1988 16:4416
Well, "still Life (talking)" is a bit of a departure from the previous
recordings that the Pat Metheny Group has put out.  This recent CD
contains more of a latin influence (with more percussionists and
vocals -- some of it sounds like "cha-cha") and a bit of a laid back
approach.  But some of Pat Metheny's recordings after As Falls Witchita
are EXCELLENT.

Three of my favorites are "The Pat Metheny Group" (quartet), "American Garage"
(quartet) and "First Circle" (which is the quartet augmented by a very talented
vocalist and percussionist).  I characterize "The Pat Metheny Group" and
"American Garage" as some good straight-ahead jazz with great solos by Metheny
and Lyle Mays.  "First Circle" takes off from there and works in more
synclavier work.  The title track of "First Circle" is a masterpiece -- it 
uses an unorthodox pattern of 22/8 and is just amazing to listen to.

AAA
54.13DittoTSE::LEFEBVREOh you've got green eyesWed Jan 20 1988 14:187
    I second _The Pat Metheny Group_ and _American Garage_, although
    the quality of the recording on each leaves much to be desired.
    
    The latter is mostly acoustic solos, whereas the former features
    my favorite work by Lyle Mays on keyboards.
    
    Mark.
54.14New PatTALLIS::LIUmorgmanTue Jun 07 1988 15:2316
    In regards to Pat Metheny's "New Sound", his last two albums with
    his group (Still Talking and First Circle) are most similar.  The
    project with Ornette Coleman was a Pat-without-group more-jazz-standard
    work.  I think Pat commented he intends to alternate between these
    two areas in his future releases.
    
    What characterizes the "new style"?  Some have mentioned it before:
    heavier reliance on Lyle's synthesizers to create the mood, and
    a fusion of Latin rhythms and melodies.  First Circle and Off Ramp
    are particularly good in incorporating the Brazillian influence.
    
    In a different vein, does anyone have any comments on the recording
    quality of their live album, Travels?  The performance is exhilerating,
    but I don't know abut how it all come out on CD.
    
    Morgan
54.15Lyle MaysPSG::ALVIDREZOverlooking the beautiful 101 ClubMon Nov 14 1988 16:274
    Does anyone have anything to report on Lyle Mays' second CD
    called "Street Dreams"?
    
    AAA
54.16Interviewed on FNXDELNI::S_JONESKnown to howl at the moonMon Nov 14 1988 17:409
    
    Jeff Terten (sp?) interviewed Lyle Mays on the WFNX jazz brunch
    yesterday---Mays is a very articulate, thoughtful musician, very much
    at ease talking about his music.  They played several cuts from the new
    CD during the interview.  One was an powerful, intricate arrangement of
    a Steely Dan tune, the name of which escapes me.  I'm encouraged to go
    out and pick up the disc.  Has anybody given it a good listen? 
    
    Scott
54.17Street DreamsWEA::ALVIDREZAvoid redundancy -- Avoid redundancyMon Nov 28 1988 19:0724
    Lyle Mays, Street Dreams   50:48  DDD

    I've listened to this disk a few times now.  It is fantastic!!

    Lyle takes up where his previous disk left off but augments his
    musical direction by exploring different styles of jazz.  Some of
    the selections off this new disk are smooth, very listenable and much
    like his first disk.  But some of the cuts are very abstract and 
    thought provoking.  There is a lot of piano work on this disk, all
    of it GREAT!!  I think he is the finest jazz pianist on the scene
    today...take a listen to the second track on the "Street Dreams"
    sequence.  Wow!
    
    His group consists of the same folks who backed him up on the first
    disk.  He adds a string section on some selections and a horn section
    a-la-Steely-Dan on a few others.   And the sound quality is very
    crisp.
    
    For you Pat Metheny fans, a warning:  this does not sound like the
    PMG you're familiar with.  Its great anyway!
    
    On sale at Noteworthy for $9.88.
    
    AAA