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Nice?  Yes.  Too bad it, like most Tangerine Dream, is so short.

New?  I bought mine four+ months ago in October.

/john

    Does anyone have TD's "Dream Sequence"?  It is a two-disc set which
    is a compilation of their alleged "best" works over the past
    10 or so years.  A review I read claimed that this disc was incredible
    and that the net running time was something like 135 minutes.  Can
    someone supply more information/input?  Is this *really* their "best"
    stuff or is that just media hype?  Worthwhile addition?  Help?
    
    David.

    Well, I have "Dream Sequence" on vinyl; it's a three record set.
    In my humble opinion, it's a great introduction to their stuff;
    the recording does span some years, but I don't think it was intended
    to be a "best of" compilation. I've been looking for the CD version
    for about six months now, but have yet to find it - have you seen
    it?
    
                                --Ken
    

    re: -.1
    
    Unfortunately I have yet to come across "Dream Sequence" in the
    stores either.  As you mentioned it is quite scarce.  I was trying to
    "do my homework" so that if, and when, I see it I can snatch it up
    without hesitation!  Sounds like this baby's on my shopping list.
    
    I'll keep everyone apprised of the situation,
    David.

    About three weeks ago I saw "Dream Sequence" in Rock'n'Mania
    in Framingham, Massachusetts.  Don't be put off by the name of
    the store -- they have sections of jazz and classical CDs also.
    They also had five or six other Tangerine Dream CDs.
    
    Pat Hardy
    

	(Re .1)

	 Yes, I  realise now it isn't exactly new - it's the latest, anyway.
	 I  hadn't  been looking under ``Tangerine Dream'' for a while, so I
	 guess I assumed it was new when I found it.

			-- POL

    Yesterday I got the last copy from World Records here in Indianapolis.
    Keith, the owner said it was "rare".  Thought it was hype, but guess
    not.
    
    Heres the index.  You decide if it is "the best of" or not:
    
    DISC ONE             64:34
    The dream is always the same
    Phaedra
    Rubycon part one (excerpt)
    Stratosfear (excerpt)
    Chorozon
    Cherokee lane (Live)   and a bit noisy, as it came from 2nd gen
    			   "safety" master
    Cinnamon road
    Kiew mission
    Richochet part two
    
    DISC TWO             68:12
    Cloudburst flight
    Force majeure
    Tangram part one
    Beach scene
    Logos part one (A)
    Logos part one (B)
    Logos part two
    Dominion
    White eagle
    Love on a real train
    

    
    Hate that work "excerpt"!  By the way, I paid $40 bucks for it,
    which I keep telling myself is O.K. since there is about 3 discs-worth
    of playing time there.    ... and you don't have to flip it over
    every 20 minutes!
    
    Don
    
    P.S. World Records: 5218 Keystone Ct., Indianapolis IN 46220
    		        (317) 253-5812
    			Normal CD prices: $12-14, no higher rates for
    						  Telarc and the like
    		

    On a (sort-of) tangent - does anybody out there remember the original
    Tangerine Dream, when they still used drums and guitars (and presumably
    just one guy on Cynthia Size A). The only title I can remember was
    Atem. Excellent stuff.
    
    On a different tangent, I stopped listening to the Tangs around
    the time they came out with Rubicon, but recently have started
    listening to that stuff again. Can anyone tell me how their latest
    stuff compares ?

    The very first T.D. album, "Electronic Meditation" with
    guitar/organ/percussion is out on CD from "Relativity."
    
    It's a piece of history.  I played it once and shelved it.  I really
    should get it out again.  I went through a rediscovery period and
    played "Atem" and "Alpha Centauri" often for a few months.  I'd
    like to find "Zeit," a double album from that period, on a single
    CD, but I haven't seen it at all.
    
    BTW: I hate the Relativity label CD reissues.  They have a generic ugly
    cover that is exactly the same for all of the old T.D. albums, changing
    only the background color.  None of the text or art from the original
    release is included.  Phillistines! 
    
    I recommend "Green Desert."  This mid-period album was never released.
    It was recorded between "Phaedra," a personal favorite of mine, and
    "Rubycon."  It has a lot of guitar on it, which is interesting since
    the albums which bracket it do not.  It is on the "Relativity Theory"
    label, and has real cover art.  It has just been reissued on
    "Relativity" with the ugly generic cover--at least it's green. 
    Snap up the "Relativity Theory" issue with the real cover.
    
    Wish I had a midified Mellotron, I do, I do.
    
    	Eirikur
      
    
    
    

    I've just got ZEIG, and two disk TD I picked up at Lechmere
    for only $16!!  (18.99 less 15% discount).  It's (c) 1987 and has
    about 80 min. of music, I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet,
    review to come after this weekend.
    
    This is the second album this year!

    I've been hoping that some of the solo albums from the core Tangerine
    Dreamers would appear, and it seems that we are in luck!
    
    Edgar Froese's "Aqua" and "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" are out on CD
    from Virgin, the original label.  These come with the original covers
    and liner notes. 
    
    "Aqua" seems like a bunch of sketches that were left off of "Phaedra".
    It's heavy on the sound effects and random noodling.  Pretty dated.
    
    "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" is one of my very favorite recordings ever.
    It consists of two orchestral-keyboard fantasies for solo double-manual
    Mellotron.  This album doesn't mention the two-keyboard Mellotron Mark
    V in the liner notes, but since I think that this was essentially
    recorded in one pass, that has to be what was used.  This one is right
    up there with the very best Tangerine Dream albums, and personally, I
    find it more listenable these days.  Since it's a fairly quiet album, I
    was longing for the CD without all of the LP surface distractions. 
    
    (Now I'm waiting for Peter Baumann's "Romance '76," and
    "Transharmonic Nights.")
    
    Eirikur
    
                                                       
    

    Boy did I screw up..
    
    First off, ZEIG was origonally published in the early '70s.  It is an
    interesting album, not like their later works.  It's good meditative
    music, almost hypnotic.  It was released this year, but the Master is
    in excellent shape.  I think that they may have digitally filtered the
    Master before the recording since there is virtually NO noise.
    
    I haven't seen any new albums this year, the one I thought of was
    "Underwater Sunlight" which came out last year.
    
    Oh, well.

Was some Tangerine Dream material used some of the soundtrack to "Risky
Business"?  I remember liking the music, and finding out later they did it.
If so, Is this a representative sample of what they sound like?  Is this
music on any of their albums?  I have been trying to find a soundtrack so I
can look it up, with no success.

						Tim

    
    I don't how representative that is of their music, but that's
    definitely them on the Risky Business soundtrack.  I don't know
    if they wrote original stuff, or adapted it from other albums. 
    Some of the pieces have titles like "The Dream is Always the Same"
    and "Guido the Killer Pimp" which only make sense in the context
    of the movie.
    
    I haven't seen the soundtrack on CD, much to my chagrin.
    
    DFW

    The "Risky Business" material is fairly representative.  Unless
    you are particularly fond of some cut from the soundtrack, I would
    suggest that you get "Underwater Sunlight" instead..  The soundtracks
    tend to consist of  short (scene-by-scene) pieces that are short and
    chopped-up compared to the lengths that T.D. usually works in.

    
    	Eirikur
    

    
    	I know of TD, but don't have any of their music.  Would anyone
    	know all the releases they've had?  Care to list your favorites?
    
    							Dan

    My absolute favorite is the cut "Mysterious Semblance at the Strand
    of Nightmares" from the 1972 album "Phaedra."  "Phaedra" is, structurally,
    mostly analog sequencer-pattern bass lines, Mellotron (keyboard
    activated tapes of orchestral strings) chords, and modular synthesizer
    melody voices.  There is also a fair amount of "found" sounds and
    treated percussion.  It's a relatively quiet album, quite low levels
    in spots.  The CD medium saves it from the surface noise that marred
    the LP.
                                        
    There are lots of T.D. albums...
    
    The "Encore" live double album (uncut as one loooong 70+ min. CD) is an
    excellent value (single CD price) and a nice sampler of their material,
    though it's a mid-70's snapshot.  Good sound, especially for a live
    album.
    
    If you find that you like the '70's TD material, be sure to get
    "Epsilon in Maylasian Pale," which is a solo album by Edgar Froese,
    on Virgin.  
    
    The recent "Underwater Sunlight" album is quite nice, too.  I wouldn't
    have thought that their style had a place for the bright mallet
    percussion sounds of the Yamaha DX architecture digital synthesizers,
    but they fit them in beautifully.
    
    I'd stay away from the latest, "Tyger."  I could swear that they
    produced this to break a contract.  
    
    
    
    	Eirikur
                                                           

    A Tangerine Dream discography (not including soundtracks):
    
    Electronic Meditation - 1970. Edgar Froese, Klaus Shultz, Conrad
    Schnitzler. _Very_ abrasive. 
    
    Alpha Centauri - 1971. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Steve
    Schroyder.
    
    Zeit - 1972. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    
    Atem - 1973. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    
    Green Desert - 1973. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    
    Phaedra - 1974. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    
    Rubycon - 1975. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    
    Ricochet - 1975. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    (Live)
    
    Stratosfear - 1976. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    
    Encore - 1977. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann.
    (Live)
    
    Cyclone - 1978. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Peter Baumann,
    Steve Jollifer. (Vocals. Ugh.)
    
    Force Majeure - 1979. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Klaus Krieger.
                                                                           
    Pergamon - 1980. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes
    Schmoelling. (Live)
    
    Tangram - 1980. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes Schmoelling.
    
    Exit - 1981. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes Schmoelling.
    
    Logos - 1982. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes Schmoelling.
    (Live)
    
    White Eagle - 1982. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes
    Schmoelling.
    
    Hyberborea - 1983. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes
    Schmoelling.
    
    Poland - 1983. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Johannes Schmoelling.
    (Live)
    
    Underwater Sunlight - 1986. Edgar Froese, Christpher Franke, Paul
    Haslinger.
    
    Tyger - 1987. Edgar Froese, Christopher Franke, Paul Haslinger,
    ??? (More vocals. Ugh.)
    				- HBM
    

    I assume that you are looking at your copies of the releases in
    question, or have some reference... This is an impressive listing.
    
    Hmmm.  Green Desert comes before Phaedra.  I question that.  It
    has electronics replacing the role of the Mellotron as used on Phaedra
    and Rubycon.  Maybe they came late to the Mellotron, but that seems
    backwards to me.  Weirdest thing about Green Desert is the normal
    rock-band percussion!  I haven't played Atem for a while and I forget
    if it uses percussion.
    
    It would be nice to fill your listing in with the solo albums. 
    I'd have to get my records out of the basement.  I don't trust the
    paucity of data on the CD's.
    
    	Eirikur
    
     

    I saw a 1987 film last night, "Near Dark," which had a nice Tangerine
    Dream score.  It was by far the best score/film integration that
    I have seen them accomplish.  They must have had access to the
    film--they often haven't.
    
    Anyone seen the soundtrack?  This film disappeared without a trace
    about one week after opening.  I saw it at a revival house.
    
    	Eirikur
    

    New T.D. studio album: "Optical Race."   I like it.  Recorded
    May/June 1988.  On Private Music, the label run by Peter Baumann,
    formerly of T.D.
    
    This album is the first time I have seen T.D. with less than three
    members.  "Optical Race" credits just two composers/performers, Edgar
    Froese, and an unknown (to me).  The album was sequenced on an Atari ST
    with Steinberg/Jones software.   It doesn't sound sequenced.
    
    It's a very nice sounding album.  It sounds to me as though they
    have picked up some Kurzweil gear.
                                                                
    
    My eagle-eyed housemate spotted mention of a T.D. concert in New Haven,
    Connecticut on September 9th.  I don't know what the venue is or
    how to get tickets.  Anyone with that information, please speak
    up!  There is supposed to be a New York City date as well. 
    
    	Eirikur
    

    The other member is Paul Haslinger, who has been around since
    "Underwater Sunlight". He replaced Johannes Schmoelling, who didn't
    want to tour anymore (or so I'm told). "Optical Race" is Haslinger's
    4th album with Tangerine Dream (the others are "Underwater Sunlight",
    "Tyger" {need I say, "Yecch"?} and "Livemiles").
    
    Yes, there is a North American tour SOON. They will be playing at
    the Berkeley Community Theater and a venue in the LA area in or
    around 22-Sep-1988. I heard that Andy Summers will be opening for
    them in Berkeley...
    
    Regarding the loss of Chris Franke... he's been with Froese and
    Co. for a _long_ time, and provided the rhythm nerve center for
    TD. His loss is severly felt in "Optical Race"... the rhythm all
    sounds sequenced and mechanical, without Franke's subtlety...
    				- HBM
    

     T.D. and Andy Summers are playing at the Palace in New Haven.
     Tickets have been on sale for about a week. I don't remember the
     date of the concert.
    

    New Haven concert: Sept. 9th, Palace Theater.
    
    	Eirikur
    

    
    Any other East Coast dates (like, perish the thought, Boston??)
    
    ???????????????????
    
    

    I saw a list of concert dates and cities, and New Haven and
    New York were the closest ones to Boston.
    
    --- jerry