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    Well, Mike Oldfield's TUBULAR BELLS might answer two of those. It
    has only two tracks (corresponding to Sides 1 & 2 of the LP), each
    about 23 minutes long. I don't have anything that's longer, unless...
    hmmmm, I'll have to check Pink Floyd's WISH YOU WERE HERE...
    
    --- jerry

    I have a DG disk containing three horn concertos (2 Mozart, 1 Haydn)
    that runs for over 70 minutes. By the way, it's DDD.
                         
    Marty

	I will check my collection tonight, but of the top of my head:
        
        2.  Longest CD?
        	I have several over 70 minutes, including Beethoven's
        	9th by Staaskapelle Berlin on Denon and all the three
        	discs in Bob Dylan's Biograph.  I will check these
        	and a few others.
        3.  Shortest single track on a CD?
        	Maybe the `Good Morning Campers' track on Tommy.
        	Something like 17 seconds.
        4.  Longest single track on a CD?
        	Possibly the 4th movement of Beethoven's 9th, or
        	another long movement of a classical work.  If not,
        	then it will be one of the rock albums were each
        	side is a track:  Tubular Bells (as mentioned), 
        	Tull's Thick as a Brick (it should be one track,
        	it is one song), some versions of Pink Floyd's
        	Wish You Were Here.
        5.  Greatest number of tracks on a single CD?
        	Denon Audio Technical CD (38C39-7147) has 99 tracks.
        	(Don't say it doesn't count, there some music tracks!)
        	I think that 99 is a limit of the standard format,
        	can anyone verify this?
        7.  Longest silent pause between tracks?
        	This is hard to measure.  Do you mean mean the largest
        	negative time?  If so then I think I have the winner,
        	but I can't remember off hand which disc it is...
        8.  Most expensive single disc?
        	Abbey Road?  See 100.12.
        
        					B.J.

    Actually, since folk myth (which may well be true) has it that the
    74 minute time limit for a compact disc was chosen so that Beethoven's
    9th could fit on a single disc, I would say that at least one CD
    of the 9th is the longest CD.
    	A friend has a Tangerine Dream CD that is, if memory serves,
    about 72 minutes, which probably makes it the longest single pop
    (if you consider TD "pop") CD around.
    
    --- jerry

    You might add a catagory of most dangerous to your equipment.  For
    this I would have to nominate.
    Telarc   1812 Overture
    Telarc   Time Warp
    
    Time Warp has to be the all time equipment destroyer.  the first
    few Notes are lethal to woofers so if you dont pay attention to
    the volume control you could end up wearing your voice coil of
    your speaker.  At least the 1812 overture lulls you into a false
    sense of security bofore the cannon shots have you srambling for
    the volume knob.
    
    Jim

        After a few minutes search, some additions and corrections
        to my reply in .3:
        
        2.  Longest CD?
        	My copy of Beethoven's 9th runs 71:09.  I believe
        	it was the longest CD when it came out.  (There is
        	another disc that has both the 9th and the 4th,
        	I never wanted to get that disc.)  However, the
        	longest CD I could find was the first disc of Bob
        	Dylan's Biograph at 73:20.  They took 5 LPs and
        	put the contents on 3 CDs.  The result was the
        	CDs not costing that much more than the LPs.
        
        3.  Shortest single track on a CD?
        	I was wrong, `Good Morning Campers' on Tommy is `long'
        	(0:57).  The short track is `Miracle Cure' on the same
        	disc (``Extra, Extra, Read all about it, Pinball Wizard
        	with a miracle cure...'').  It runs 0:12.
        
        4.  Longest single track on a CD?
        	The fourth movement of Beethoven's 9th on Denon is 25:03.
        
        5.  Greatest number of tracks on a single CD?
        	If you don't count the Denon Audio Technical CD,
        	then the largest I could find was the third disc
        	of Musical Offering/The Art of Fugue by Bach,
        	performed by Reinhard Goebel (Archiv 413 643-2).
        	This disc has 30 tracks (the end of The Art of
        	Fugue and several Canons).
        
        					B.J.

    If I can summarize, we have:
    
    1. Shortest CD	-
    2. Longest CD	Oh, about 70 minutes or maybe 72...
    3. Shortest track	Something like 17 seconds on Tommy...
    4. Longest track	Oh, about 23 minutes...
    5. Most tracks	99.  Denon Audio Technical CD (38C39-7147)
    6. Least tracks	2.  Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield.
    7. Longest pause	-
    8. Most expensive	Abbey Road.
    9. Most indices	-
    10.Mistakes		-
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Note:  Telarc warnings are discussed in great detail elsewhere in
    	   this notesfile.
    

    Re 311.4  the Tangerine Dream disk that Jerry mentions is "Encore"
    which has the extreme virtue of being a single CD made from a double-LP.
    The sound is quite good, too.  I hope other record companies follow
    Virgin in this regard.
    
    	Eirikur Hallgrimsson

 
   Longest track:

	Mahler Symphony #2 on Telarc, 5th movement at 34:08.
        (one of my favourite CD's, fantastic dynamic range).

   Longest pause:

        Karajan Festival on DG has 10 second pauses between tracks.
	(Understandable for a sampler, can't complain at 66 minutes total.)

   Least tracks:

        There must be plenty out there with only one track but I don't
        have any.  The following have only 2 tracks:

            Mahler #2 on Telarc (second disk)
	    Saint-Saens #3 on Telarc
	    Stravinsky "Le Sacre du Pritemps" on London
	    Strauss "Metamorphosen" & "Tod und Verklarung" on DG
            Moussorgsky "Pictures at an exhibition" on Telarc

   Oddities:

	DG "Festival" series - has white plastic insert in the jewel box as
	opposed to the usual dark grey.

     ..Paul

    Does it count down from 10, or is there just silence before
    the music begins?
    
    I have "Caverna Magica" by Andreas Vollenweider which does
    a five second countdown before the time becomes positive again
    and the music starts. It's between tracs5 and 6.

 
  Lets try this one again..

  It counts from -9 down, that makes it about 10 seconds.

  However, checking again, I have found a longer pause, 12 seconds
  between acts 2 and 3 of Janacek's Jenufa (on London).  Note: it seems to
  counts -0 and 0 as being distinct.

    ..Paul

In the "mistakes and oddities" category:

WISH YOU WERE HERE by Pink Floyd has only 2 tracks (side 1 and side 2).  The
songs on each side are set up as separate index points, rather than tracks.

Disc 1 of the 3-disc BACH KEYBOARD WORKS has the track point for the second
movement of the Toccata in d minor misplaced--it positions to somewhere in
the middle of the first movement.

The "CATS" ORIGINAL LONDON CAST CD has the timings printed on the disc
surface from the LP version.  The timings do not match the music recorded on
the disc.  The CD includes all 3 verses of "The Old Gumbie Cat" and is missing
about 1 minute from "The Jellicle Ball" when compared to the LP version.

--PSW

    Bach's "The Goldberg Variations" by Glenn Gould has a single 51:20
    long track.

    Brian Eno's "Thursday Afternoon" has only one track, 60:56.
    
    /john

    Steve Reich's Music for 13 Musicians is also a long single track.

    The Firesign Theatre's "Eat or be Eaten" disc also has 99 tracks.
    (At least the game-version of the disc does.)  This better meets
    the rules than the Denon disc, I think.
    				Steve

	I didn't notice any nominations for shortest disk, so I've got
	one: Billie Holiday's "Songs for Distingue Lovers" weighs in at
	a mere 33:02.
	
	I got it used at Boston Compact Disk for $10, so I don't really
	feel ripped off (even if it isn't representative of her
	best...).
	
	Mike

    Re .17:
    
    Only 11 - hah!  Try 22 (yes, that's right, TWENTY-TWO!).
    "Leipzig Bach Edition": Complete Works, Various Artists.
    Cpariccio 10085.  The Essentials Marketing sells it for
    "only" $11.20 per disc.
    
    

    I have a CD here that was recorded over 50 years in Paris; December
    1934 for the Supraphon records P77161,.. P77164 78 Rpm disks.
    
    It appreared on CD under the label Vogue as #600070.

        	"QUINTETTE DU HOT CLUB DE FRANCE"
    Stephane Grappeli (violin) and Django Reinhardt (guitar ofcourse)
    
    I bought this record after a concert by Stephane Grappeli here in
    Cannes last year. The sound of the CD very poor, mono and scratchy.
    But the *music*, specifically the guitar is magic!
    
    Covernote:
    	"Le report sur bande magnetique de ces enregistriments historiques
    	d'origine 78toours, bien qu'ayant beneficie des derniers perfect-
    	ionnement de la technique, ne saurait repondre aux exigeants
    	criteres de la Haute Fidelite. Cependant l'irrecusable qualite
    	artistique de ces documents en justifie la publication en disque
    	compact dont les performance assurent le meilleure reproduction
    	possible"
    
    In europe the 'Furtwangler' classical recordings are available on CD
    but I do not have those and do not know the exact recording dates.

        Hein.
                                                     
    

    
>	The sound of the CD very poor, mono and scratchy.
>    But the *music*, specifically the guitar is magic!
    
    how dare you listen to the music!!!
    
    						.dave.

    Many of the CDs from the various direct to disk labels (like Sheffield)
    are quite short (under 30 minutes) due to the limitation of the
    original format. I don't have enough of them to tell which is the
    shortest.

    1. Shortest CD	33:02. Billie Holiday's "Songs for Distingue Lovers"
    2. Longest CD	73:20. The first disc of Bob Dylan's "Biograph"
    3. Shortest track	00:12. The Who's Tommy "Miracle Cure" 
    4. Longest track	60:56 Brian Eno's "Thursday Afternoon"
    5. Most tracks	99.  Denon Audio Technical CD (38C39-7147)
			and Firesign Theater "Eat or be Eaten"
    6. Least tracks	1.  Brian Eno's "Thursday Afternoon"
    7. Longest pause	12 seconds.  Janacek's Jenufa on London
    8. Most expensive	Abbey Road.
    9. Most indices	-
   10. Mistakes		See the notes themselves.
   11. Largest set	22 discs.  "Leipzig Bach Edition" Complete Works
			Cpariccio 10085
   12. Oldest recording 1934.  Vogue #600070

Andreas Vollenweider's "...Behind the Gardens--Behind the Wall--Under
the Tree..." is 30:35 long.

						-- Nina

    I have a Sheffield lab CD (James Newton Howard & Friends) that 
    is 26 minutes and 28 seconds long.  It has a track that is 
    44 seconds long.
    
    matt

    Well, it should be easy to take the prize for most indices, since
    there are no entries in that catgory. This can actually be broken
    into two categories: the most indices on the disc, and the highest
    numbered index.  For the first (most indices), I submit "The Miraculous
    Mandarin" by Bartok (London 411 894-2), in which four of the eight
    tracks have 2 index points (I guess we'll call that "four" index
    points since all tracks by definition have at least one index).
    
    For the highest numbered index, I submit "December" (George Winston,
    Windham Hill), in which track 6 (Night) has 3 index points.
    
    By the way, what SHOULD have the most index points is my recording
    of Pictures at an exhibition, but London, in their wisdom, put
    the whole thing as one track. For those of you who don't know the
    piece, it consists of 10 movements describing sketches, with
    "promenade" movements interspersed, making for 14 clearly defined
    sections. I could gripe forever about the non-use of index numbers,
    but that's another topic...

    Re: .26
    
    Bachbusters has 14 index points on cut 14.  Interesting coincidence
    (sp?).
    
    Steve
    

	Glenn Gould's recording of the Goldberg Variations (Bach, of
	course), is one track with 32 index points.
	
	Mike

    Shortest CD:  The Honeydrippers, Volume 1
                  18:20
    
                  It's the "Volume 1" that really gets me!

    re. .-1 (shortest CD, Honeydrippers Vol. 1, 18:20)
    
    I can see the jacket hype now:
    
    "Honeydrippers, Vols. 1-4"
    "Four Album Set contained on ONE CD!!"
    
    Then they'll charge you $60 for it....

    If they ever put Yes's Tales from Topographic Oceans on CD, it
    might be the only single track that runs over more than one CD.
    It's a double album, four movements, one song....
    
    Dave W.

    The Bob James "All Around the Town Live" disc (Columbia) is
    72 minutes and 28 seconds long ("2-record set on 1 compact disc").
    
    It doesn't beat the Dylan record of 73:20 but I expect that it holds
    the record for jazz discs.
    
    -- Ward

      Brian Ferry / Roxy Music - Street Life on EG Records Ltd is 74:02
    minutes long...

    

    RE:  Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here"
    
    I have that disc.  All of the songs are broken into separate tracks
    on mine.  I noticed no indices.

    RE: .34
    
    The CBS version has them, I don't know about the Harvest version.
    
    Jeff
    

CBS and Pink Floyd had a contract dispute.  CBS claimed that their LP rights
to DARK SIDE OF THE MOON and WISH YOU WERE HERE extended to CDs as well.
Floyd contended that they have always signed separate contracts for each
particular medium, and that CBS had only the LP rights; CDs were a different
medium and Floyd wanted to contract with Harvest for CDs.  CBS issued both
DARK SIDE and WISH YOU WERE HERE on CD before the dispute was resolved.  This
CBS version is the one with only Side 1 and Side 2 as selections, and with
the individual songs as index points.

Pink Floyd won the dispute and CBS had to stop production of Pink Floyd CDs.

--PSW

    I have the CBS version.  On the label side of the CD the songs are
    listed:
    	1. SHINE YOU CRAZY DIAMOND (Part I, Part II, Part III, 
    		                    Part IV, Part V)
        2. WELCOME TO THA MACHINE
    	3. HAVE A CIGAR
    	4. WISH YOU WERE HERE
    	5. SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND (Part VI thru Part IX)
    
    However the disc only shows two tracks when played.  I think it has the
    indexes of the CBS version.  Are all of the CBS CDs labelled like
    this?
    
    Do all of the CBS and Harvest versions have the LP's liner notes
    reproudced in black and white?  Mine has a reproduction of one of the
    liner sides, still labelling the songs as "Side One" and "Side Two"!

    And finally, does anyone out ther have BOTH versions?  Does one
    SOUND different than the other?  I am assuming that the CD mastering
    was done by two different studios, which would account for the
    different numbering scheme- therefore there is a good possibility
    that one CD could have less hiss or something.
    
    GAS

Dave Blickstein has the Harvest version of WISH YOU WERE HERE and I have the
CBS version.  We did an A/B comparison and decided that the sound quality of
the Harvest version was superior (mainly, less hiss).

--PSW

    re .38 Is your CBS version labelled strangely like my CBS version?

    My CBS version has a photo on the booklet that was shot at a different
    angle than the one on the Harvest and the Album. Does anyone see
    this too?
    
    Jeff
    

    (1) CBS did not issue DARK SIDE OF THE MOON. That disk appears on
    Capitol in the US.
    
    (2) CBS resolved the contract dispute with PF. ANIMALS, WISH YOU
    WERE HERE, THE WALL, and THE FINAL CUT are all available on CBS.
    
    --- jerry

    I think I've definitely found the shortest CD. While in Minneapolis
    this past weekend, I wandered into The CD Establishment (their
    version of BCD) and found a CD EP of Suzanne Vega. It has only
    three songs (two from her first album, plus her song "Left of
    Center" from the PRETTY IN PINK soundtrack), and weighs in at
    9:54 !!! That's roughly one dollar a minute, since I paid $10
    for it (it was my collector's soul that made me buy it).
    
    --- jerry