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Title:Welcome to the CD Notes Conference
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Created:Mon Feb 17 1986
Last Modified:Fri Mar 03 1989
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Number of topics:1517
Total number of notes:13349

55.0. "Sony D5, and LOVE" by CYGNUS::LAMBERT () Fri Dec 07 1984 19:32

I have gone completely CDis, I just picked up a Sony D5 player.  I thought I
would add my ideas about it.

The unit is, as was previously stated by GRDIAN::RIES, very small and light-
weight.  The sound, however, is not.  I had a bit of trouble with a ground
loop in the car when connecting it to a Proton 222, and Infinity 6 inch
3-way speakers.  It seems that the Proton can not have both high and low level
connections to it at the same time.

I am currently using the D5 as a car and office player, and am completely
enthralled with sound that this little bugger can produce.

Some points to be aware of:  While billed as a Walkman-type CD player, go
jogging with this and you will hear a skip every step.  The unit is VERY
hard to make skip when moved up and down, but the side-to-side resistance
is not nearly as forgiving.  I also noticed that when really cold (Like in the
25 - 30 degree range) the unit will skip at the slightest jounce.  This would
seem to be caused by the moving parts being nearly frozen.  I would suggest
allowing quite a long warm-up period, or leaving the unit home on the super
cold mornings.  Of course if you do not plan on using the unit in the car,
then cold is really no problem.

Brian CYGNUS::LAMBERT

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55.1GRDIAN::RIESTue Dec 11 1984 16:5921
The D5 has no problems with up/down or left/right jogging. In fact its
tracking is better than alot of the full sized units I have seen. The
thing that will cause it to skip is twisting it in the direction of
the disc travel. This of course causes the speed of the disc to vary
enough as to through the system off track. Actually, it doesnt really
skip in the sense of a skip. IE is doesnt skip back or forward tracks,
it mearly looses synch with the data comming from the disc for a short
time. This is not going to be a problem for most people in the car
unless they tend to do alot of 360's while going down the road. I would
tend to bet that all the console models would have the same problem if
you twisted them. Also, I have had no problems with mine on cold days.
I do not leave mine in the car when not in use, but I have been using
it consistently by taking it into a rather frozen car, connecting it
up and turning it on. Never a single skip. As I mentioned in my earlier
not on the D5, I did leave it in the car over one cold night to see
what effects the cold would have on it. It played fine. I am sure that
there is some temperature at which point it would fail to function
properly, but I don't think you would run into it as long as you
don't leave it in the car. I wouldn't want to do that anyway, its too
easy to steel.

55.2CYGNUS::LAMBERTTue Dec 11 1984 17:3437
I have to disagree.  I think the unit does a fantastic job at suppressing the
ups and downs of travel, but it is by no means, at least as far as I'm
concerned, side-to-side-jounce proof.  I can make my D5 skip by tapping it
lightly on the sides.  Try it yourself.  I guess that fact that I own a
Honda Accord, and you have a full sized car with very soft seats could be
a factor here.  Over the hardest of bumps, the unit skips.  I run it either
on the passengers seat, or glove box.  This is not a big problem, because I
could count the number of times it has skipped on my fingers and toes, but it
is never the less a problem.  I have never spun it to cause the problem you
just typed of, but I'll try it some time.

What I noticed was if the unit is given enough room on the sides/front/back
there is no problem.  If, however, you were to place it so the sides of the
unit are touching something, I.E. seat, and hit some nasty bumps, it WILL
skip all over hell.  Also, if placed on a hard surface, and jounced, it will
skip.  (The Honda has a shelf on the dash board) Like I said, my car rides
significantly rougher than yours does, and I think this explains the problem.

Some other things that annoy me are:

1.  The GD button to open the top is in the top right hand corner, exactly 
    where my thumb goes while driving/adjusting the volume.  This is about
    the biggest thing I can not stand about the D5.


2.  The power and volume switches are designed for dainty hands.  I have
    trouble changing the volume, unless I look directly at the control.  It
    has a lip of about 1/10 of an inch.

Granted, these are very minor complaints, but I am picky when I spend 300 skins
on a piece of audio equipment.  The sound of the unit is it's redeeming factor,
and I wouldn't trade it for anything.


Brian CYGNUS::LAMBERT

55.3GRDIAN::RIESTue Dec 11 1984 18:1816
I think your D5 has a problem then. My D5 will not skip from side to side
movements. I have placed in on the seat and literally banged on the seat
and had the D5 bounce all over hell and it never skipped once. I have used
the D5 in the glove compartment as well, where the "ride" is not nearly as
soft as the seat, and still no skipping. If yours skips in your car, then
either your D5 for some reason is not as forgiving as mine, or your car
rides like a tank. Granted, my car has a soft ride, but its still not
air cushioned. I will agree with your gripe about the placement of the
open button. I sometimes grab the unit by the top with one finger while I try
to press one of the front panel buttons and accidently press the open
button. Oh well, so its not perfect. As to the volume control I have no
problem, and as to the power switch, who needs it. I just leave it on.
The unit is off anyway unless you press the play button. Its just there in
case the unit may accidently get bumped and it starts playing and sucks
up your battery. Sort of a transport safty switch. I have one on my Walkman
as well.
55.4CYGNUS::LAMBERTWed Dec 12 1984 13:2415
I may have to print a retraction or something, because the last two days the
D5 has yet to skip once.  I tried the spinning thing, and boy does that mess
the thing up.  Mine skipped a track when I spun it kindo hard.  I still can tap
it and make it skip, though.  Perhaps there is something slightly wrong with it.

I'm working on the box for the switching of the Radio and CD player.  I spoke
with Dave Hadaway in NH, the guy who owns DB systems, an he is getting some
parts for me.  I can buy them at 10% over cost, and he'll ship them for free.

I ordered a dozen gold plated RCA jacks for the back of the box.  I also
ordered a switch for the unit.  He only had a 4 or 5 position in the 4 pole
style, though.

Brian CYGNUS::LAMBERT
55.5SUMMIT::GRIFFINThu May 30 1985 13:403
The D5 is now on sale at Bradlees (of all places) for $239.99.

- dave
55.6SPHINX::SWEATTFri May 31 1985 12:065
	I have heard that the D5 is regularly priced at $227 at Service
Merchandise in tax free New Hampshire, I wonder if it will be doing on sale
for $199.99?

							Jim
55.7VIKING::MCNALLTue Jun 04 1985 13:115
Now if there was only someplace to get the accessories at a discount.
The price of the car adapter is ridiculous and the carrying case isn't 
much better.

/ralph/
55.8ORPHAN::LIONELWed Jun 05 1985 15:2121
The D5 IS on sale for $199 - at Royal Jewelers in Lawrence, MA.  I just bought
mine there (actually I got the D5 Deluxe for $239, but they have both) and
am delighted.  I just started reading this file, but I thought I'd mention
Royal.

The D5 Deluxe consists of a D5A player (don't know the difference between
that and a D5), and a base which contains the power transformer and two RCA
jacks for the Line Out.  You connect this to your stereo with the cords
supplied.  The player than slides onto the base and mates with the plugs
on the back of the base.  Removal of the player to take it somewhere is
a breeze.  I admit that for $40 you don't get any extra functionality, but
it is convenient.

Royal Jewelers regularly advertises good deals in the Lawrence Eagle Tribune.
They are also selling the Sony CDP-302 for $399 which is also a good buy.
They are at 493 Essex St. in Lawrence - sorry I don't have a phone number.
They are sort of a smaller version of Cuomos, but have a lot of good quality
stereo equipment at good prices.  Return policy is no cash refunds, but
merchandise credit.
               
				Steve
55.9CADCAM::MAHLERThu Jul 18 1985 20:347
My D-5 also skips trackes when hit on the laser side of the machine.
I do not think anything is "wrong" with it, it is just sensitive.
THen again, this is the Japanese Domestic version -- but I would think
that would not make any difference.

Mike

55.10BISTRO::HEINMon Jul 22 1985 09:4314
Yes, LOVE is the only appropriate word.

I just bought an D50 as an entry system into CD world. It is great,
I love every minute of it. The functionality is mimimal but sufficient.
The sound is as close to perfect as my ears will ever take me.
Indeed it is sensitive to tapping it on the side, and it did skip and
even STOP quite a few tracks in my bumpy car... But that was probably
caused by an inadequate power adapter.

Now, buy more disks, better speakers, better amplyfier and finally, in
a year (or two) I will probably buy a top of the line player when the
price is right. I see no need to own anything better then an D50 now.

Hein.
55.11WHOARU::GOUNThu Jul 25 1985 01:0117
I just bought a D5 Deluxe from Royal Jewelers for $239.  Thanks for the tip,
Steve!  I also bought a pair of great-sounding Bang & Olufsen headphones to
use with it.

I connected the D5 to my stereo and really HEARD my speakers for the first
time.  Though I was expecting terrific sound, I was still amazed.  I've also
used it with the headphones while lying in bed reading (talk about the lap
of luxury!).  I plan to take it to work for the first time tomorrow.

Does anyone know of a source for the car adapter?  Royal Jewelers didn't
have it, but they're trying to get it for me.  The Sony distributor has it
back-ordered.

Now to get my disc collection rolling.  The ten discs I bought at Cuomo's
were a good start....

					-- Roger
55.12CADCAM::MAHLERThu Jul 25 1985 12:5014
Roger,

There is a note somewhere in this file regarding car installation and
the guy mentioned that you can use the standard radio shack adapter for
9 volts.  However, the Sony is different in that it has spike protection
(a zener diode) -- but I would not worry too much -- just make sure your
car regulator is o.k.

Mike (Andover)

If I knew everyone was so into the D5 here - I would have brought some back from
Japan.  It's cheap there and the adapter only costs $16.00


55.13SPEEDY::LIONELThu Jul 25 1985 18:097
Re .12:
A zener diode is not spike protection but voltage regulation.  Since a
car's electrical system usually varies from 11-15 volts, I'm not surprised
that some sort of regulation is used.  The power at the cigar lighter
socket is not regulated in any way, so you'll need something to make sure
the voltage doesn't rise too high.
				Steve
55.14REX::GETTYSMon Jul 29 1985 14:429
Steve,

	A zener can be used for spike protection if it's value is higher than 
the nominal voltage expected. For example, a 15 volt zener used on a 12 volt 
line will not let a "spike" greater than about 16 volts through. (Yah, you 
could consider it voltage regulation; but regulation tends to imply a 
continous type of activity which this application is not.)

	/s/	Bob