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996.1 | Haven't heard one yet... | STAR::BIGELOW | Bruce Bigelow, DECnet-VAX | Thu Dec 03 1987 10:36 | 19 |
996.2 | I feel the urge to spend coming on! | NCADC1::PEREZ | People are Hell -- Sartre' | Thu Dec 03 1987 22:03 | 9 |
| Ah... I've heard the Posthorn/Eine Kleine... by the Prague Chamber. If
there is a chance they'll do the 39th I'll tell her to invest in the
other 4 (36,38,40,41) and wait for the 39th. Sounds so good I may go
out and get the 36th and 38th.
Anybody else?
thanks,
D
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996.3 | I need to get educated | DELNI::GILE | The Time and Space Oddity | Fri Dec 04 1987 13:06 | 16 |
| Hi, I'm a newcomer in two ways, just bought a CD, and new to
classical music. My question here, is on classical music. I
bought a Mozart disc by "The Royal Academy of ..." last night,
and was wondering if this is part of a series of recordings,
as I have a tape, by the same group, call the Salzburg Years,
that seems to be somewhat different. Track titles have the
notation
Symphony in D major "title" K165a (example, not actual)
Can someone explain what the k165a notation means. I don't know
enough about classical music to feel comfortable purchasing
discs. I like a lot of Bach, Vivaldi, Mozart, etc., and would
appreciate some direction, on what to consider in starting out
in this area of music. Thanks
Wayne
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996.4 | K Numbers for Mozart Compositions | DELNI::TRUSLOW | | Fri Dec 04 1987 13:43 | 20 |
996.5 | OPUS? | SALEM::MGINGRAS | Now I try to be amused . . . | Fri Dec 04 1987 14:35 | 8 |
| Am I wrong, or is the OPUS number associated with the order in which
a work or series of works was published? I'm still new at
understanding classical music myself, and some of these things seem
a little hazy.
Marty
does anyone know who catalogued Bach's music (I think the catalog
numbers start with BW)?
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996.6 | fractured German | DSSDEV::CHALTAS | Slowly I turned... | Fri Dec 04 1987 17:53 | 13 |
996.7 | Try Neville Marriner | DICKNS::GREENMAN | | Sun Dec 06 1987 15:29 | 25 |
| RE: -.1; that's pretty funny.
The catalogue numbers are generally 'as composed'; there can be
a lot of argument, but it's pretty esoteric most of the time -
was K168b really composed before K168c, or whatever.
Mozart's last piece was the Requiem, which I think is K625 or K626.
About the earliest piece you're going to find is his Bassoon Concerto
(glorious music) which is around K190 - I think he was 14 when he
wrote it (pretty humbling thought isn't it). So, for about 20 years
of composing, you've got about 400 K numbers, not to mention the
a's, b's, etc. You can see where there'd be some disagreement.
Anyway, for folks who are interested in 'classical' music and the
people who wrote it, let me recommend a terrific book: 'Lives of
the Great Composers', by Harold Schonberg. He was the music critic
for the NY Times for a very long time, and it's a wonderful book.
He also wrote 'Lives of the Great Conductors' and '... Pianists'.
I remain partial to 'The Academy of St. Marten's in the Fields'
for most Mozart - they record for Phillips and Argo, and I'm sure
are available on CD. Their records are excellent quality, and I'd
imagine that AAD or ADD CD's from their tapes would be likewise.
Charlie
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996.8 | | CSSE32::SIEBOLD | It's terrible to be talked to death | Mon Dec 07 1987 12:52 | 8 |
996.9 | More on opus numbers | BAVIKI::GOOD | Michael Good | Mon Dec 07 1987 13:23 | 13 |
| Re .5:
Opus numbers historically have been associated with the order in which
works are published. If you're interested in following the
chronological development of the composer, however, it is usually more
interesting to know the order in which the works were composed. Also,
for many composers, many pieces weren't published with opus numbers (or
published at all). Thus the catalog numbers for many older composers.
Modern composers who use opus numbers often assign the numbers by order
of composition, not order of publication.
If opus numbers seem a little hazy, that means you're making progress
in understanding the classical music field :-).
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996.10 | More Confusion | CASV01::WRESINSKI | | Mon Dec 07 1987 15:17 | 21 |
| The numbering of works becoms more complicated as heretofore unknown
works are discovered and inserted in the catalog.
Try making sense of Sibelius or Dvorak (I forget which). One of
them composed a symphony , but for some reason, never made it public.
After the catalog was complete, the "undiscovered" symphony was
discovered with the composer's own opus number. Now we have
consecutively numbered symphonies 1 through 6(?) but there's the
new work which makes it the *real* fourth symphony. You then have
such confusion as "Symphony No. 5, the old No. 4" in the liner notes.
The upside of this situation is that it doesn't happen too often.
Re:.4
I don't know if this was originally entered with a non-English
keyboard (it came out as kay-vee-see-aich-ee-el), but the Mozart
catalog is spelled Kochel (with an umlaut -- two side-by-side dots)
over the e as in .8). When listening to the radio, you will recognize
the K number pronounced as Ke(r)-chel or Ke(r)-kel. Perhaps the
author of .8 can help, is this sometimes spelled Koechel?
>R.Michael
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996.11 | Mozart: Symphony No. 39 | DISSRV::PATTERSON | Let Those Who Ride Decide | Mon Dec 07 1987 15:20 | 28 |
| I have two copies of Mozart's Symphony No. 39:
Weiner Philharmoniker Concertgebouw Orchestra
Leonard Bernstein Nikolaus Harnoncourt
DG 413 776-2 DDD TELDEC 8.43107 DDD
1. Adagio - Allegro 11'20" 11'12"
2. Andante con moto 9'19" 7'30"
3. Menuetto: Allegretto 4'05" 3'21"
4. Finale: Allegro 7'58" 7'52"
Also contains Symphony No. 40 Also contains Symphony No. 29
I much prefer the DG version to the TELDEC. To my ears, the TELDEC
is brighter than I like. Parts of the Finale sound harsh to me.
The tempo of the TELDEC is too brisk for my tastes.
I find the DG version extemely smooth and polished. The Philharmoniker
plays in a wonderful unison. The TELDEC version comes across to
me as more distinct, but with certain instrument sections competing
for front stage.
Both recordings have a DDD spars code and have little or no background
noise. FWIW, the July issue of Stero Review devoted a section to
"Mozart, The Basic Repertoire on Compact Disc".
Ken P.
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996.12 | | ME::TRUMPLER | Pining for the fnords | Tue Dec 08 1987 09:19 | 10 |
996.13 | Nice "39" on MHS | NEXUS::DICKERSON | | Mon Dec 28 1987 17:51 | 11 |
| There is a very nice and affordable collection of the Mozart
Symphonies 38-41 available through Musical Heritage Society
(1710 Highway 35, Ocean, N.J. 07713). It is done by the
Concertbouw Orchestra, Joseph Krips conducting. It was
probably originally out on Phillips or Decca since that is
where MHS gets a number of their master tapes. Price for
the two CD set is 25.98.
Regards
Doug Dickerson
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996.14 | | NCADC1::PEREZ | People are Hell -- Sartre' | Mon Dec 28 1987 22:25 | 4 |
| I've heard good things about MHS. Thanks, I'll pass the information
along.
D
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996.15 | My favorites!! | BPOV09::JMICHAUD | Think about software that thinks! | Tue Jan 19 1988 13:56 | 9 |
|
I purchased the Phillips box set of the late symphonies and
I think that the sound is excellent. The conductor and
orchestra is Nevelle Mariner and the Academy of St. Martin
in the Fields. I also have a copy of Solti and the London
Symphony performing #39 and #40 which I think is great. The
latter is on a larger scale.
john//
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996.16 | Jeffrey Tate/ECO | DECWET::COOMBS | | Tue Jan 19 1988 17:28 | 12 |
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Try Jeffrey Tate's recording with the English Chamber Orchestra.
It's got Symphony's 32 & 35 as couplings, and is an Angel disk.
(Tower has Angel's on sale until February 3.)
I've got Tate doing 36 & 38, and 40 & 41 as well, and prefer them
to the Mackerras versions.
They're also the top rated versions in the Penguin guide.
John
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