Conference marvin::uk_music

    The Stone Roses' album is s***hot. Definitely worth a listen. They
    are a very talented band and make some interesting songs. They're
    playing live at the Ali Pali in November. For more comment have
    a look at BOMBE::RADIO_RADIO, somewhere around the end of August.
    
    Buy it!
    
    Rich.
    

To bring this arguement into it's proper place rather than the Album Review
note, to compare the Stone Roses to that second rate bands The Smiths *8)
is unjust to both bands. Their styles are totally different as are the lyrics/
music. I for one prefer the Roses to the Smiths and admit only going to see
them (without hearing any of their stuff) because of the press they were
getting, but also that was how I first heard of the Smiths - from the music
press (never did go and see them!). Both bands were hyped by the Music press
and it's only because the Smiths were first that most other bands are now
being compared with them, which I believe is wrong.

Now the arguement goes futher, who can say the the Wedding Present or James
are better than any other band, surely this boils down to a personal opinion
here. So what if the Roses are getting their influence from 60's guitar bands,
are James and the Wedding Present so unique that they devised their own brand
of music, no influences from anyone else ... phooey!

I also don't think that bands like the Darling Buds and the Primitives should be
mentioned in context with a great band like the Roses (or even the Smiths for
that fact!).

The Guru.

    I didn't compare the Stone Roses to anyone in my note. I mentioned
    the bands I like so that the guy who was gonna go home and listen
    to The Stone Roses would think, 'Is that it?' if he didn't like
    them.
    
    There's a lot more to the indie scene than the Stone Roses as you
    well know Stuart.
    
    Oh and mentioning the Darling Buds and The Primitives in my reply
    was in response to a comment that had been put forward in the reply
    before mine.
    
    Flame on,
    
    In case you hadn't realised Stuart you have managed to get me riled.
    Let's drop the Smiths/Roses comparison completly because the whole
    idea of comparing them repulses me. If we had a vote on which band
    had created the most interest, better songs, better promise, better
    potential etc etc in a year of existance I think then you would
    have to agree that The Roses pale to insignificance alongside The
    Smiths.
    
    When I read the statement that you thought The Roses were better
    than The Smiths I immediatly binned the tape I'd done for you. You
    are obviously unready for such good music (and I had such hign hopes).
    
    Flame off.
    
    Bruce

    First paragraph....I meant: 'wouldN'T think, 'Is that it?'
    
    oops
    
    B

   Bruce,
         I was the "guy who was going to go home and listen to the Roses
	 album" (I am not a man I'm a node!!)

    Never mind what Lee Cotton thinks about your fave bands, the lad's
    brain is addled by _far_ too much feedback. -;)

    You may say that the S Roses are not an indie band...I thought an indie
    band meant simply a band on an indie label. Sounds simple to me.
     
    I'll give  a few of the bands a listen once I get a break from work (!)
    But as I said different music from around the world remains my main
    interest music-wise. And (please) don't make "wild" judgements about
    all World music on the strength of listening to a Ukranian folk band
    jamming with a Manchester rock outfit. It doesn't sound a bit like
    Algerian Rai-pop, Yemenite disco, or Zairean Zoukous. Honest! -;) 

    If you'd like any names in these and other areas I'd be glad to oblige.
    
    Flame off 'n on 'n off 'n on etc...

    - Tim

    PS (to last note) the personal name I used has nothing to do with this
    situation (or this conference) and definitely did not refer to you.

    Just though I'd clarify that.

    - Tim

Is it safe to show my face?
Is Bruce around with a club?

This seems to be getting a bit out of hand, I like the Stone Roses - Bruce 
doesn't ... so what, it's not the end of the world!

As for binning my tape ... I never saw any smiley faces after that statement ...
the end of a beautiful friendship ... goodbye cruel world!

In the words of that immortal band ... "I wanna be adored ..."

    re: Tim's note; Tim, my brain's no more addled by feedback than yours
    is with your sozzled prose!
    
    This note is definately getting out of hand.  It seems Mr. Sturrock is
    very opinionated and seems to believe that he is the sole mentor on
    Indie music.  Anybody who gets riled because someones says "Band A is
    miles better than Band B" has definately got their priorities in life
    wrong.
    
    Anyway, as this is the Stone Roses note I better say something relevant
    about the band. Ummm, Well, I like them myself.  I thought the album
    was very good.  Did anybody see the program with them on a couple of
    months ago (I think it was Rapido but I'm not sure).  They showed them
    mixing songs from their new album.  The stuff that I heard sounded
    very different and almost disco-like compared to the debut.  Mind you
    they were still mixing it at the time. Ian Brown, the lead singer (I'm
    pretty sure his name is Ian Brown, jeez these pop stars sure have wild
    names!) said that the next album would definately be in a different
    vein.
    
    Lee.

    Hey now hold on a miniute! I have never thought of myself as a 'sole
    mentor' on indie music...I am totally mad about it, but I would
    never call myself 'The sole mentor' of the scene unless I was told
    I was by someone really important. 
    Maybe I am being a bit hard on The Stone Roses because of the press 
    they get but then I did see an interview with them on a local late 
    night program that really showed what a set of pillocks the guys
    behind the music are. Stoned out of their heads and very immature.
    The people I know that have met Ian have all come back with the
    same response, 'He's a really big headed w**ker' and that's 3 separate
    people on 3 separate occasions.
    And don't give me all the rubbish about 'it's the music that matters'
    cos I do like to know where my money is going. I don't like to fund
    the yobs/drug-pushers/hooligans of today.
    
    You obviously don't understand what The Smiths mean to some of the
    young people who were around at the same time as them. Maybe one
    or two (Mike?) of you probably do understand why I was so riled
    by Stuart's statement about Smiths v Roses. But then it was probably
    just Stuart doing a wind up again. 
    
    What wrong with being opinionated? I listen to everyones views then
    make my own mind up...I try not to let the music press influence
    me in any way...and they do influence us although we don't like
    to admit it no one likes to be proved wrong.
    
    Right, time to take my skinny ar*e out of this conference cos i'm
    obviously not welcome anymore.
    
    And I wanted to enter my Buds review too.
    
    B
    
    (Oh and Stuart, seeing as you were winding me up I thought I'd wind
    you up too re the tape)

    Re:

>>      <<< Note 499.9 by POBBLE::COTTON "The man with no personal name." >>>
>>                         -< It's curtains for you... >-

>>       re: Tim's note; Tim, my brain's no more addled by feedback than yours
>>       is with your sozzled prose!

   Lee tells me he hates `smilies'. So as far as that's concerned this note
   has _not_ got outa hand.

   On with the topic: To Rose or not to Rose ? Fat is the question.

    - Tim

>>>    Right, time to take my skinny ar*e out of this conference cos i'm
>>>    obviously not welcome anymore.

	Hold on a minute.  Come back all is forgiven!  A conference will
always have a good flame every now and then.  Don't take it too personally.
If there wasn't such a wide range of opinions then this conference wouldn't
be as enjoyable to people like me (i.e. those whose finger isn't quite on the
pulse & who don't get to see great bands all that often).

-Brian.

OK OK OK OK OK .... so I like the Roses more than the Smiths, but I don't want 
to fall out with my newest friend Bruce because of it. 

The last attack on Bruce being the "sole mentor" was totally wrong, I believe
Bruce puts across what the Indie "philosophy" in his reviews and notes, more so
than anyone else in this conference or in Radio_Radio. After talking with him 
on the phone I could tell how much music, especially Indie music, meant to the
guy. To him it's not just a hobby/leisure pursuit, it's a way of life! I'm
sure he would be the first to admit that he would love have a job in the music
industry.

The above might look like I'm "brown-nosing" it a bit, but who cares (as long as
I get my tape!  *8)  )

I for  one don't want to see Bruce leave this conference prematurely, maybe now
he will consider staying ... please!

    O.K. I'm back.
    
    I didn't think a single phone call could give so much about me away
    Stuart...but your second paragraph is very true.
    
    I think it was Mr Cotton's note that really got on my wick...along
    with my intense feelings for a certain group.
    
    Thanks to everyone for their mail and notes....how could I keep
    away?...
    
    Lots o' love,
    
    Bruce
         
    

Welcome back Bruce, the Roses are currently considering playing the Glen 
Pavilion in Dunfermline sometime in December ... I take it we won't see you 
there then Bruce!

    If Lee's note "got on your wick", am I to take it that my unbelieveably
    kind offer to turn you onto Yemenite disco etc peeved you as well ??

    If you want a taste of South American rhythms you could try out David
    Byrne's new album. All the musicians are S Americans playing in N.Y.
    salsa (etc) bands.

    But on the other hand you may be quite content to stay listening to
    indie (etc) bands.

    - Tim

    No your note didn't bother me. Actually I do here quite a few World
    Music bands on John Peel. There was one that I liked by someone
    called Samora Michelle called Shallawambe - It got into the festive
    50. I can't say that I have ever been emmotionally effected by
    any of that music.
    
    Sure give me some names I'll have a listen in my local indie shop
    on't weekend, if I can tear meself away from Bizarro that is!
    
    Oh and The Weddos are a Leeds group.
    
    b

    Ouch!! Nasty!!!

>>                <<< Note 499.17 by BAHTAT::STURROCK "Dear Magda....?" >>>
>>                -< Dreaming of breaking Lee Cottons fingers... >-

    Now this I _do_ object to. Not because I know the person but to me it
    is simple to interpret it as a threat or harrassment of another Digital
    employee.

    I do not know if any of the moderators are with us, but I feel sure I
    know how they would react. And that's an understatement. I, for one
    would like to see it removed. 

    Yes.

    - Tim

    No!!!!!
    
    I was joking! Now who's over-reacting!
    
    Arrghhh!
    
    Why can I never say what I mean!
    
    B

    Well at least now everybody knows _who_ it was contacted the mods about
    it. It doesn't sound like much of a punchline (to anything!) to my ears.

    I'd have thought anyone reading this file recently would have been
    aware of the danger of not indicating that one is `joking'. Again I
    fail to see the humourous quality of a title which only conveys a
    brutal and uncalled for, image.

    And that's my final word on it. 

    - Tim

    Sorry I don't understand your first paragraph.
    
    I get the feeling that you're in some sort of mood today and just
    decided to pick nits with everything I type.
    
    If you'd rather I just went then just say. 
    
    I've just about had enough of this....moan, moan, moan....that's 
    all I get all the bl**dy time...and don't forget your smiley...
    
    Oh why do I bother.
    

    Re:

>>  <<< Note 499.22 by GAOV08::DKEATING "Irish Punts beat the Maltese Cross" >>>

>>       Oh the long weekend is upon us.

    Dave, in your case I think you mean the `lost' weekend. (oblig.
    smilie -;). Another w/e of raving it up with the young students down in
    the Warwick Hotel, I'd say. Before that The Cottage, Naughtons, The
    Hole in The Wall, The Quays, O 'Reilly's Stroll-In...who'll do the
    driving Dave ?? -;)

    Have a good one.

    - Tim 

    Stone Roses Note - R.I.P.

    Re .21:
    
    You've got to be careful what you say in Notes - long-time noters know
    that from bitter experience! Also, every once in a while you get into a
    notes scrap like this. Remember that things tend to get exaggerated in
    notes, since there are no non-textual messages to modify or qualify what
    you're saying. Don't worry about it, things blow over fast.
    
    I would recommend that you change the title of your contentious note
    (now, which PARTICULAR contentious note was that!). You can do this
    easily, with that note on the screen, by doing
    
    	Notes> mod note/title="something that won't kick up a fuss"
    
    Who am I to hand out this advice? No-one in particular, I can't/won't
    do anything if you ignore it...
    
    
    Rod

    As one of the moderators of UK_MUSIC, I have been asked to sort this
    out.   I have now read all the previous notes, some of which have
    been pretty passionate in their arguments.   I would ask for the
    sake of the continuation of this conference if such melodrama would
    be restricted to mail otherwise UK_MUSIC could well censured by the
    Easynotes people.   Please remember that everyone reads your notes
    but not everyone appreciates the humour or passion.
    
    Now on with the show ...
    
    Ray

"The Stone Roses end their GLORIOUS year with a new single, out on Silvertone 
 on Monday called 'Fools Gold 9.53' coupled with 'What in the World is Waiting
 For'. Both tracks were written by guitarist John Squire and vocalist Ian Brown 
 and were produced by John Leckie during a summer recording sesh in Cornwall.
 The band, whose debut LP is likely to be one of the critics faves comes the
 end of the year, follow up the single with their sell-out 7,000 capacity gig
 at London's Alexandra Palace on Nov 18th."

 Copyright NME

I take it you won't be first in the queue to buy this then Bruce?
Also you have to admit that they must have some appeal to sell out 7,000 seats
for one show ... 

    London's listing (r)/(m)ag calls the new single;

    "...a shiny slice of post-coital funk-and-pull..."

    Really ???

    - Tim

    Anyone see the Stone Roses on Beeb 2's The Late Show last night? They
    appeared looking suitably sullen and rebellious, Tracey (the presenter)
    stood in front of them, billed it as their "first live TV appearance",
    then moved out of shot to let them get on with it. Which they did...
    
    ...for about sixty seconds, after which for no apparent reason they
    ground to a halt. They mumbled a bit to each other, Tracey came back
    into view and said something about a power cut, then after a minute she
    gamely tried to get on with show, with the lead singer shouting in the
    background. I heard him say "waste of time!".
    
    They didn't reappear, instead we got their video, and Tracey apologised
    a few times for "technical problems". I've got to say that there were
    no obvious technical problems - maybe they just messed up the song?
    
    
    Rod

    The Technical Problems were that when a certain decibel level is
    reached, the fuses cut.  This level was reached, which is why the
    guitars just stopped dead.  Whether this was the fault of the beeb or
    SR is open to debate.
    
    M

    I like the latest single - but know nothing about them..
    
    Anybody know anything about them - I'm clutching me money in anticipation..
    
    Sarah
    
    ;^)

Check out note 499.0 - 499.30, these and other notes doted around are all about
the greatest (IMO) band this year ... 

    The long track on the new 12" is brilliant, should be longer!  Don't
    think much of the shorter track tho'.
    
    Mikef (ducking in case the ghost of Bruce is standing behind me).

I agree with Mike although the other Stone Roses "fan" in the cupboard with me
thinks this is the worst stuff they have put out so far. 

What are the bets that they get Best New Band, Best Album, Best Single, Biggest
Hype in the NME polls ...

The Stone Roses pre-Silvertone single "Sally Cinnammon" is reissued again by
Black Records this week - this time ditributed by BMG and available for the 
first time on CD, including an alternative mix of the lead track.

Rush and buy one kiddies!

As the designated-Bruce this week, I'd like to point out that there are many
more worthy bands that need your money...like...well you know like what!



:-) 

Ed

    Guess what I just got in the mail as a Christmas present from a
    friend in the UK?  (No I couldn't wait!!) 
    
    The Stone Roses CD and What The World Is Waiting For ... a bunch
    of us are going out tonight with Tim O'Connor or I'd go home and 
    give 'em a listen.
    
    Sue

Hi,

	I reckon that I'm a convert.  I've been listening to the album for
over a month and will still play it again immediately after listening to it.
Great stuff.  There was talk in an earlier note about a new album, could a 
SR fan let me know what material they have out/is coming out/when/etc.  BTW,
every time I go into a record shop they're SOLD OUT of Fool's Gold.  I'll 
try again tomorrow.

Thanks,
-Brian.

P.S.  I must plug my own favorite band again as I reckon that SR fans would
really like Something Happens, album "Been there, Seen that, Done that".

    Sorry, Have to disagree with you there. I saw Something Happens
    support someone(NMA I Think) I wasnt really impressed and wouldnt
    compare the stuff they played to the Stone Roses.
    
    Incidentally, Stone Roses are on SNUB tonight at 6.30pm on BBC2
    along with Happy Mondays and Inspiral Carpets.
    

As far as a new album I don't know but a new single is out in Feb.

Inspiral Carpets release their debut album in Feb, as do the Sundays.

    
    Reading from the NME, seems the American release of the album features
    an extra track called "Elephant Stone" ... am I glad I bought my copy
    in Newbury Comics or what!
    
    Also the SUN, the paper equivalent to New Kids on the (chopping) Block,
    states that the Stone Roses will be mega in the 90's, if they stop
    slagging the royal family.
    
    

can anyone post a full discography of Stone Roses stuff ????


cheers

,...Art

    
    
    
    
    
    ###Singles###
    
    Date:    Title:
    
     9/85     So Young/Tell Me (12")
     5/87     Sally Cinnamon/Here it comes/All across the sand (12")
    10/88     Elephant Stone/The hardest thing in the world
    10/88     Elephant Stone/The hardest thing in the world/Fathom Five(12")
     2/89     Made of stone/Going Down
     2/89     Made of stone/Going Down/Guernica (12")
     2/89     Sally cinnamon/Here it comes/All across the sand (Alternate
    12")
     7/89     She bangs the drums/Standing here
     7/89     She bangs the drums/Standing here (& colour postcard, ltd to
    3000)
     7/89     She bangs the drums/Mersey paradise/Standing here (12")
     7/89     She bangs the drums/Mersey paradise/Standing here (& colour
     print, ltd to 5000 12") 
     7/89     She bangs the drums/Mersey paradise/Standing here/Simone
    (cassingle)
     7/89     She bangs the drums/Mersey paradise/Standing here/Simone
    (CD single)
    11/89     Fools gold 4.15/What the world is waiting for
    11/89     Fools gold 4.15/What the world is waiting for (& colour
    postcard & sticker)
    11/89     Fools gold 9.53/What the world is waiting for (12")
    11/89     Fools gold 9.53/What the world is waiting for (colour print 12")
    11/89     Fools gold 9.53/Fools gold 4.15/What the world is waiting for
    (cassingle)
    11/89     Fools gold 9.53/Fools gold 4.15/What the world is waiting for
    (CD single)
    12/89     Sally Cinnamon/Sally cinnamon (ver)/Here it comes/All across
    the sand (CD single)
    
    
    ###LP###
    
    4/89      The Stone Roses
    
    
    ###CD###
    
    4/89      The Stone Roses
    
    
    
    Reproduced without the kind permission of Record Collector (Feb 1990
    No.126)   ....Craig  8-)
    
    
         
    
    

cheers...


...Art.

re .45

what's Sally Cinnamon worth ???



...Art.

Here in  the US things don't always catch on as fast. Anyway re: .43, the CD
came  out  here  in  July,  I  think  with one extra track. Well it was just
re-released  over  here  with  "Fool's  Gold" on the CD. Good thing I waited
until to buy it...Ed

    Whats Sally Cinnamon worth?  At least #2000 per person from the look of
    things!!!
    
    Mikef

    Re. .47 - Ed, if it has just been re-released in the U.S. with FOOL'S
    GOLD included, the CD now has *two* extra tracks over the U.K. release,
    the other one being ELEPHANT STONE.  Is this correct?
    
    Dougie_who_just_recently_bought_the_U.K._issue  8-(

Yep Dougie, I bought my copy in the US and it has Elephant Stone as an extra 
track, but a lot of Indie shops now have the US version but it costs 15.99.

If Ed is correct then they have re-released the album, with Fools Gold also,
making it 2 extra tracks and worth having ... if you are Ed.

    
                    But has it been pollocked????

I was recently at a record fair in Dunfermline and spotted a copy of a 
Stone Roses Live album, recorded in Walsall (eh?) middle of '89.

It was going for 10 quid so I thought I'd risk it. I'm glad I wasn't at
that gig if this recording is a true representation of it as it is dire...

All I'm hoping now is that it will be worth a few bob in years to come, and
at least with it being so bad I wont play it much and therefore will be able
to keep it in pretty good nick.

Cheers
Tc

ps I did feel happy walking out the door of the fair when I saw another dealer
    selling the same live album for 12 quid. Made 2 quid in a matter of minutes.

The CD should be arriving today so I'll be able to verify what tracks are on
it tomorrow...

Ed

    re .53  Now come on lad, surely you've heard of Walsall????
    
    Mikef
    
    PS Its near Wolverhampton, home of the 'not the Rolling Stones' court
    appearance...

Hey hey  hey...the  Stone  Roses CD has arrived. And it has "Elephant Stone"
_and_ "Fool's Gold"...Ed

    Re. .56 - Ed, did you get the CD thru Noteworthy?

he most certainly did get it through Noteworthy ... 

The Stone Roses - "The Stone Roses" ($10.52 from Noteworth)

 1. I Wanna Be Adored			4.52
 2. She Bangs the Drum			3.42
 3. Elephant Stone			3.01
 4. Waterfall				4.37
 5. Don't Stop				5.17
 6. Bye Bye Badman			4.00
 7. Elizabeth My Dear			0.59
 8. (Song For My) Sugar Spun Sister	3.25
 9. Made of Stone			4.10
10. Shoot You Down			4.10
11. This is the One			4.58
12. I Am The Resurrection		8.12
13. Fools Gold				9.53 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Stuart, you're CDs are all here. Now I can see why you wanted the Cream CD!

Ed

    `Elephant Stone' has been re-released.  How do I know?  I've got it!
    
    I bought the Cassingle in Woolies today.  Tracks are;
    
    Elephant Stone, Full Fathom Five, The Hardest Thing In The World
    and Elephant Stone 7" version.
    
    Full Fathom Five plays backwards.  Dunno if it's supposed to?  All they
    had in Woolies was the above mentioned cassette and a 2 track 7". The
    cover is the same, so is catalogue number.
    
    
    matty

    Does anyone know if `Full Fathom Five' is supposed to play backwards?
    
    I wanna play it the other way round.  Any ideas how?  reverse the
    polarity perhaps?
    
    
    matty

    I picked up `Made Of Stone' 7" from WHSmith.  Must be re-released. 
    b-side is `Going Down'.
    
    matty

Yeah, Silvertone have re-released 'Made of Stone' and 'Elephant Stone', stone me
do these guys have an affinity to the word stone.  But if you have the US album
then you don't need to by any of them cos 'Made of Stone' is on it.

    Unfortunately I missed the STONE ROSES on their recent tour and
    I'm totally P'd off about it.  
    	Does anybody know of any plans for a future tour (or whether
    or not their playing at Reading Rock)?
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Russell. 

    Massive concert at Spike Island near Wigan (ie. up north).  Coaches are
    being layed on from all round the country, about 50 starting points. 
    The gig starts at 2.00pm and goes on through the day.  It'll be the
    greatest rave ever and I'm going.  Tickets are on sale in record shops
    all over the place, and there are also forms in the music press.
    
    See you there.
    
    
    matty

    Who else is playing, Matty?
    
    Bob

    
    What day is it Matthew?
    

    Arrghh!  Don't call me Matthew!!!  Just matty please.  Matthew makes me
    sound like a robot or something!!!
    
    I'll check NME tonight and give you the dates.  I don't know who else
    is going to be there, put I think the add said something about `+
    special guests'.  They have forms on the counters of most Our Prices. 
    They also have a coach going from Reading.
    
    
    matty

    Sorry 'MATTY' and thanks!
    

    Does anybody have any lyrics for any Stone Roses songs?  In particular
    I'm after the words for Fools Gold.  I've got the 9:53 version and
    it's brrrrrrilliant.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Russell.
    

    
    does anyone in the ayr plant have ticket(s) to sell for glasgow green
    next week. If so I would be interested (only face value+booking fee paid).
    
    Graeme
    (Mail address at top)

    Has this band released any new singles (especially CDs) within
    the past few months?  I heard a rumor about a single release
    scheduled for April, but never saw anything here in the U.S.

    Anyone know what the band is up to recording-wise?

    Thanks,
    John

    Putting together a new single and album now.  The single should be
    released in the next month or so.  Possibly.
    
    Mikef

    The new single, "One Love" is due out within the next week or two.
    It is widely expected to go straight in at #1.

    Where's Bruce ?
    
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Has anyone got or heard their first single `So Young'.  Is it worth
    forking out 30quid for it?
    
    
    matty

    Hi Jan,
    
    I saw those ads in RC.  Was there any point in me sending you those
    RC's if you already get to read them?  They're well on their way BTW.
    
    Should I spend 20 quid on a record.  Are the Stone Roses gunna last, I
    don't think so.  But then I don't think they've reached their
    commercial peak.  `One Love' will make No1 from what I've read in the
    music mags, and the new LP ceratainly will, but where will it all end.
    
    
    matty

    Jan,
    
    I read your other note.  Never heard of it.  I don't listen to radio
    much though, except the last 5 minutes of the UK Top 40, so I catch the
    run down.
    
    RE. THe Spike Island gig.  I was sick as a parrot (who thought of that
    phrase?) for not going, but I was told is was a bit boring, that it was
    too packed (28,000), the PA system was terrible and the view was awful.
    
    I guess I'll go and see the Inspirals and Baby Ford next month at the
    G-Mex instead.  BTW Jan, Have you heard any Baby Ford material?
    
    
    matty

    Well, so the Stone(d) Roses are going to release another album 
    then.....
    
    I bet it is going to be a trendy sort of dance groove thang, rather
    than a simple pleasnet pop tunes like the last album. I personally
    think that it is a shame that a traditional 4 piece, who started
    off doing pop, shoud go and do somthing like an albums worth of
    Fools Gold. This is clever management for money.... Don't tell me
    this is not hype. It is a shame that the group (Probably) wont be
    able to stand up to the pressure of doing what they originally wanted
    do do, as seen from the first album, but have been manipulated into
    diversifying. I guess the clever part is that the band probably
    have been talked into it so well, they themselves believe that they
    can produce good dance music.
    
    Packaging, thats all the next album will be, at a guess,
    
    in my own opinion of course...
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

RE .83

Seems like a lot of opinions considering that nothing's been heard from a new
album at all so far.  What's wrong with a group changing style anyway?  We can't
all be the Ramones you know.

Lee

Re:
.83>shoud go and do somthing like an albums worth of
.83>Fools Gold.
    
    Whats wrong with an album full of Fools Gold, This was/is the best
    thing SRs have ever done.  If the album turns out such, I might even be
    tempted to buy it!!!
    
    IMO of course ;-)
    
    ..Craig

    `One Love' get it's first airing tonight on Radio 1, the Mark Goodier
    show, 6-7.30 pm.
    
    
    matty

Vague 'claim to fame' ...

    The bass player in my ex-band got a mention in the latest 'Q' magazine
for correctly spotting the error in their recent Stone Roses discography !!

Pretty pathetic, but it's the closest I've got to being famous :-)

Cheers,

    Derek.

P.S. I know someone whose cousin is in the Charletans too !!

Yeah, but I know Rich Poppie of Papa Brittle fame!

Ed

    Yep I heard it last night.......
    
    Oh dear what a shame.... Pleasant Indie pop group turn into dance
    freeks, as that is the area their management want them to go......
    Shame really...... they have forgoten what made their first album
    so good....Tunes......real ones....... I always maintain that dance
    music was for synths ans samplers, not a four piece who would rather
    be somewhere else...... just shows, my opinions were sort of correct
    wether you agree or not........
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Has anyone got the single yet?  NME said it was coming out yesterday,
    but I rang Hot Waxx and they said maybe Wednesday!
    
    I put a bet down that `One Love' would be a new entry at No1.  I'll
    lose if it comes out midweek.
    
    
    matty

    Has anyone noticed the similarity of the rhythms of `One Love' and `I
    am the Resurection'?
    
    
    matty

    I am the Resurrection reminds me of a Bowie track (Images side 4)
    recorded in 1967. The name escapes me though.
    
    Dave

    Re. -1 >> Could this be "We Are Hungry Men", Dave?

    The 1st bit of "...Resurection" sounds like it's gunna break into "Keep
    On Running" by the Spencer Davis Group.

    "Let me sleep beside you" is the song it reminds me of.
    
    Dave

The new single is in the shops now.  I think it's quite good, though not very
different to `Fools Gold' really.  Brown's lyrics are more laughable though.
The B-side is more or less the same thing.  Nothing earth-shattering, maybe they
can get down to earning their keep in the music business now.

Lee

    I have a bet on that it'll be a new entry at No1!
    
    matty

    
    
    Ahem.... I trust *you* bet that it wouldn't ?

    I bought it yesterday...
    
    Matty - wanna betthat it doesn't go straight in at no 1?
    
    Mikef

    It can't go to no 1. Only appalling records that are full of talentless
    musicians/machines like Kylie go in at no 1......
    
    Perhaps Matty is right on reflection, It will go to no 1. !
                                              
    		Juju
    xxxx
    
    

    JuJu again!  You just wouldn't let it lie would you?  You just would
    NOT let it lie!
    
    arf arf 
    
    Mikef

    I only put these things on here to wind you all up!
    
    I reckon it has a good chance 'cause all the 13 year olds are wearing
    scally t-shirts.

        
   > I reckon it has a good chance 'cause all the 13 year olds are wearing
   > scally t-shirts.

    Oh, and did you know, the UK has one of the lowest rates of education
    in europe.........
    
    And the stone roses are blindingly popular.... I rest my case....
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    Have you been hanging round schools again Matty?

    In fact, at my old school in Doncaster the school uniform is flares and
    hooded tops, butt the flares can't be cut off.
    
    Seriously.
    
    
    matty

    Well listening to the charts on monday, one love in at No. 4.......
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    I got the `So Young/Tell Me' single.   I thought it was only released
    on 12", but there it was, the 7".  It looks official with the good
    quality sleeve, and the copywright bit etc, and the catalogue number of
    THIN001.  I had to hear the tracks anyway so I bought it.
    
    It's not really very good (both songs).  It hasn't got that Stone Roses
    quality, though you can tell it's Ian singing, and there's the Stone
    Roses guitar, but really it sounds like on of Adam And The Ants first
    singles, `Cart Trouble' or `Xerox' maybe.
    
    Also my walkman broke (dry joint in the headphone socket you know!).  I
    had it fixed and now instead of the Auto-Reverse playing the other side
    of the tape it plays the music backwards.  What has this to do with the
    Stone Roses?
    
    I can play the backwards songs forwards.  Full Fathom Five is the best
    - it's just a slightly different version of Elephant Stone.  Then
    you have Simone which is a mellow instrumental anyway.  It's quite
    nice, like the guitar equivalent to mellow classical music.  Don't Stop
    and Guerica are just Waterfall and Made Of Stone, but the words aren't
    very clear, and the backing is slightly different.  You wouldn't listen
    to these more than a couple of times.
    
    
    matty

    well, 4 years later....
    
    I hope none of you have been holding your breath?
    
    but - The Stone Roses have a new single on Nov 21st...with the album
    due on Dec 5th.  Will it be as good as the first? Or will it be the
    biggest anti-climax of the year?  Does anyone remember the Stone Roses?
    
    Mikef

A lot of more exciting, interesting and innovative bands have arrived since the 
stone roses last produced anything.  No doubt the music press are going to start 
banging on about them, but I really couldn't give a toss, while there are better 
bands around.  If it's brilliant, I'll happily eat my words, but do you really 
think it can possibly eclipse some of what's gone on since they started - 
Nirvana, Suede, Blur, Oasis etc.....

    err..not too bothered about how it compares really, if its good,
    I'll buy it, if not, I won't.
    
    BTW. Blur - innovative?  Oasis - innovative?  Fun for sure, but I
    wouldnt say what they were doing was particularly new or freah.  
    
    Mikef

And the stone roses were?

I only used Oasis, Blur et al as examples, because they're the ones who have 
become pretty massive.  I don't recon that the stone roses would've achieved 
such heights.

Bleedin' floppy fringe brigade all over again.

    don't you mean baggy trousered flare brigade?
    
    Err...I don't know how your memory is, but the Roses were massive with
    a capital M back in whenever it was (89?).  I dont think Oasis could do
    a Spike Island yet (although I'm not sure anyone would...).  I'm not
    sure that in the years to come Blur will be remembered with the same
    excitment that the Stone Roses are (and after one lp and a few
    singles) (and without having to pretend to be working class londoners
    :-)  ).
    
    Mikef

They weren't *that* big.  I recon that the mists of time have clouded the music 
press' memory, and they remember them as being better than they were.  Go back 
and listen to their stuff.  It's not as stupendous as everyone recons.

Mind you, I was barely out of my pram when the stone roses were around.

    Well us oldies....
    
    If I still had my NMEs from then I'd show you.
    
    Anyways - I'm not even much of a Roses fan, all I said was that they
    had an lp out next month...
    
    I am the resurrection.
    
    Mikef

Sorry, I didn't catch that last note, my fringe was obscuring my view.

P.S.NME tend to adopt bands occasionally, mind you.  See Suede, 
Oasis......ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz........

<thunk>

    re: last few

    Suede, Oasis & Blur are all minor cult figures in the U.S. that were
    supposed to come over here and be massive.  Maybe one of them will
    breakthrough here, but I don't think their music is in "style" right now 
    - i.e. British bands sounding like British bands.

    The Stone Roses were much anticipated after their 1st lp, but never
    made it over here, so it's hard to say how big they would've been.  I
    remember them getting a lot of good reviews.  (I like their stuff, but
    I think it was very derivative psychedelic pop.)
    
    -Vicki

    re.117 I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Matthew. You were
    probably a bit too young to remember them...oooohhh it must be all of
    4/5 years ago. The Stone Roses were the next big thing after The Smiths
    and nearly hyped as much.
    
    I suspect you were just a twinkle in your parents eye when the Wedding
    Present released "George Best". Have you only recently jumped on that
    train then?
    
    Andy

Gordon Bennet.  Is it my fault that I was still in school when the Stone Roses 
were popular?  

And no, I didn't buy George Best the day it came out, but who did?  I was still 
figuring out what sort of music I liked back then, and only really got into the 
Wedding Present when they put Bizarro out, and a friend's brother played it 
exceedingly loud.  I went to see them on the Seamonsters tour (with Buffalo Tom 
supporting), and bought their back-issues, followed by their new releases.

I don't see why I have to excuse myself for being 20 years old.  Who cares how 
old I am.  I don't go taking the p1$$ out of all you old b*gg**s, do I?

    >I didn't buy George Best the day it came out, but who did?
    
    errr.....
    
    <embarrassed shuffling>

    Yeah, saw that coming when I wrote it.  However, obviously not many 
    people bought it, or the Weddoes would've become instantly massive, and
    got it in the top 40 or whatever.

If you must know, I wasn't actually born when it was released.  I am, in fact, a 
child prodigy, and I'm only 6 years old.  However, I did put it on order, the 
minute I was released from the maternity unit.

May I once again, finally I hope, apologise for being a young person.  These 
things happen, and I'm terribly sorry if me being young offends any of you.  One 
day, I too will be an old person, and will be able to patronise my younger 
colleagues, and ask them if they bought the first Frank Black album, or if they 
were just a twinkle in their parents' eyes when Suede was released.

Also, don't forget that until recent years, we couldn't actually receive radio 
one in S.W.Wales, so I never heard popular music apart from on local radio (crap 
Neil Diamond all day), TOTP (crap bucks fizz every week) or on Radio 2 (Crap 
Neil Diamond all day, with "Crazy" Ed "Stewpot" Stewart).  My friend's 
cosmopolitan brother ventured over the border for a couple of years, and brought 
this weird stuff back, called pop music.  He gathered all the village's 
young-folk, and we all huddled around the gramophone player.  We were exposed to 
proper music for the first time, as the sound of the Doors bellowed out of this 
"frisco disco" (TM).  This was closely followed by a Wedding Present Education, 
after which I decided to start spending my dinner money on records such as 
Bizzaro etc.  .

    
    ... re Oasis, Blur, and any other  'band of the week' I may have
    missed during their hour of Glory %^;
    
    The Stone Roses debut album, was preceded by several well received and
    in fact critically acclaimed singles. The singles and the Album
    together surpass anything done by a 'new act' in recent years....
    
    If the new single/album doesn't happen, they'll have still made their
    mark on music history and will be remembered for decades if only for
    'Fools Gold'.
    
    Graham
    
    BTW, for those of you too young to remember it, 'Fools Gold' was
    released on (Gold) Vinyl, not one of these plastic drinks coasters they
    use today....
    

>>>
    The Stone Roses debut album, was preceded by several well received and
    in fact critically acclaimed singles.
>>>

And Suede wasn't?

    Matt
    
    I think you will find that the acclaim given to Suede doesn't come
    anywhere near that given to The Stone Roses. 
    
    Stuart

    re: Suede v. Stone Roses 

    The Stone Roses got a lot more airplay and media push when their album
    came out here then Suede has now.  When Suede & the Cranberries toured
    together last year, it was the Cranberries who everyone went to see. 
    (The Crans have done rather well here.) 
    
    -Vicki

That's Americans for you.

    Well, I actually heard the new single last night.  Vaguely pleasant,
    but nothing special.
    
    Mikef  

    
    ...straight in at No.2 !
    
    Graham

    
    12 inch version has an 'extra' track - even than the other 3
    apparently, although I haven't heard it yet. Rene was in Macclesfield
    last week, buying his own copy from Virgin !
    
    G.

    Stuff pinched from S.R. WWW site.....
    
    The Single
    ----------
    UK release date 21st November 1994
    
    Format details - 
    
       7" single :
        1. Love Spreads (LP version) 
        2. Your Star Will Shine (LP version)
    
       Cassette single :
        1. Love Spreads
        2. Your Star Will Shine
    
       CD single (3 tracks)
        1. Love Spreads
        2. Your Star Will Shine
        3. Breakout
    
       12" single (4 tracks - released 28th November)
        1. Love Spreads
        2. Your Star Will Shine
        3. Breakout
        4. Groove Harder (previously unreleased
    
    Lyrics>>>>
    
     
    Love spreads her arms
    Waits there for the nails
    I forgive you  boy I will prevail
    Too much to take, some cross to bear
    I'm hiding in the trees in a picnic
    She's over there
    Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
    
    She didn't scream
    She didn't make a sound
    I forgive you boy but don't leave town
    Coal black skin, naked in the rain
    Hammer flash in the lighting
    They're hurting her again
    
    Let me put you in the picture
    Let me show you what I mean
    The messiah is my sister
    Ain't no king man she's my queen (X2)
    
    I had a dream I've seen the light
    Don't put it out, say she's alright
    Yeah, she's my sister
    
    She didn't scream
    She didn't make a sound
    I forgive you but don't leave town
    Coal black skin naked in the rain
    Hammer flash in the lighting
    They're hurting her again
    Yeah, Yeah, Yeah
    
    Let me put you in the picture
    Let me show you what I mean
    The messiah is my sister
    Ain't no king man, she's my queen (X8)
    
    I had a dream I've seen the light
    Don't put it out say she's alright
    Yeah, she's my sister
    
    
    Written by John Squire
    
    The Album
    ---------
    
    UK release date 5th December 1994
    Tracklisting
    
    Side One
    
     1. Breaking Into Heaven *
     2. Driving South *
     3. Tightrope **
     4. Ten Storey Love Song #
     5. Daybreak **
     6. Your Star Will Shine ##
    
    Side Two
    
     1. Begging You #
     2. Good Times *
     3. Tears *#
     4. Straight To The Man *
     5. How Do You Sleep #
     6. Love Spreads ##
    
    
    
    * Produced and Engineered by Simon Dawson and Paul Schroeder
    
    # Produced by Simon Dawson and Paul Schroeder. Partly recorded by John
    Leckie
    
    ** Produced by Simon Dawson. Initial recording by Mark Tolle and Al
    'Bongo'
    Shaw
    
    ## Produced and Engineered by Simon Dawson
    
    *# Produced by Simon Dawson and Paul Schroeder. Initial recording by
    Mark Tolle
    and Al 'Bongo' Shaw 
    
    

    
    
    thanx for the update, your efforts are very much appreciated !
    
    BTW, what's the address of the WWW site ?
    
    Graham

    >thanx for the update, your efforts are very much appreciated !
    
    I taught him everything he knows....;-)
    
    WWW address - go buy Vox skinflint!
    
    Mikef

Actually, it was Select 8-)

try :

http://www.musicbase.co.uk/music/sroses/

Today's the day - who's dashing down to Our Price to let us know what it's like?

    re-1
    
    I might do, depends if I can find a US release date.
    
    Mikef

    Must admit that after repeated listens, I'm starting to quite like the
    new Stone Zeppelins single.  Anyone got the elpee yet?
    

    
    I'll have it on the 25th and not before %^(, I'm not allowed to buy and
    music from mid-October, I just compile a list and wait to see what
    turns up for birthday and Christmas. Then I go and buy the rest in
    the January sales...
    
    I got the 12 inch single for my birthday, but since we moved house my
    turntable is still boxed so I can't listen to it, although I've been
    told the 4th track (not available elsewhere) is the best of the
    four....
    
    
    Graham

Has anyone seen them recently? They seem to be trying hard to drum up interest 
in their gig in Zurich next month - doesn't anyone like them any more? Or are 
their fans now all too old for gigs?!

grahame

was that an intentional pun, now that Reni's buggered off (or was it
Mani, I never can remember)

Chris.

    Grahame,
    
     following Reni's departure and subsequent replacement, the Stone Roses
    cancelled all upcoming gig's with the exception of Glastonbury
    Festival.
    
    Graham 

>    Grahame,
>    
>     following Reni's departure and subsequent replacement, the Stone Roses
>    cancelled all upcoming gig's with the exception of Glastonbury
>    Festival.
    
Well, in that case it was rather naughty of a local shop to flog me a ticket 
last night! I hadn't heard about the recent upheaval - any details? Or are 
they just trying desperately to keepin the news?

grahame

Having decided that their latest album is, in fact, kack, the Stone Roses are 
apparently re-releasing one of their old singles.

    
    >>Having decided that their latest album is, in fact, kack, the Stone...
    
    I didn't think it was that bad...
    
    Wasn't this the album that was recorded on an island chosen by their
    management so that they'd be as far away from drugs as possible - then
    over the next few months all the locals started posing about in Versace
    suits after some strange wealth had befallen them?  Or am I thinking of
    something else?!
    
    C.

    
    There's nothing wrong with the 'The second coming' unless you're a
    journalist... most of whom apparently haven't listened to the album.
    
    The Stone Roses haven't released an old single, the record label that
    effectively stopped them recording/releasing material for a good part
    of the last 5 years has re-released an old single - presumably hoping
    to cash in on their latest publicity.
    
    Graham                                                              

>>There's nothing wrong with the 'The second coming' unless you're a
>>journalist... most of whom apparently haven't listened to the album.

Well I bought it, and it's far too patchy to be considered anything other than 
ordinary, IMO.  


Matt$a_musician_and_fan,_not_a_journalist.

    re a few back - Grahame, were u talking about a ticket for Glastonbury,
    or a Stone Roses gig?
    
    Mikef (tryingto tune in after a week out)

>    re a few back - Grahame, were u talking about a ticket for Glastonbury,
>    or a Stone Roses gig?
    
Hi Mike,

Stone Roses @ Zurich, 1 May - still being advertised.

grahame

>>> Stone Roses @ Zurich, 1 May - still being advertised.
    
    .. could be they only cancelled UK dates then %^/, I'd check the Stone
    Roses Web Page but someone tidied up my workstation and deleted my
    hotlist, grrrrrrr.....
    
    BTW nobody's too old for Glastonbury.....
    
    Graham$folically_challenged,all_electric,hippy
    
    

Graham, I seem to remember sticking the Stone roses URL in here somewhere.  
Have a wander through this topic, and/or the internet-related topics...

    thanks Matt, it's in .139 - that's where I got it from the first time
    around !!
    
    Just checked it out and it does indeed say that UK tour dates are
    cancelled, no mention of other European dates...
    
    Lyrics to the album are now available on-line too...
    
    G.

><<< Note 499.156 by WOTVAX::STONEG "Temperature Drop in Downtime Winterland...." >>>
>                                    -< oOo >-

>    Just checked it out and it does indeed say that UK tour dates are
>    cancelled, no mention of other European dates...
    
Now why would that be? Are the UK dates before the rest of Europe - seems 
unlikely now? This Zurich gig is advertised as their first ever in 
Switzerland, so maybe they think we won't notice if the drummer can't play the 
songs! Or perhaps they're just trying to retain some mystique in the UK . . 

grahame

    ... the UK dates should have been in April, however I don't think they
    got as far as announcing the dates or even the venues...
    
    Either you'll be treated to a 'warm-up for Glastonbury' gig, a 'Live
    rehearsal' or an evening spent watching the caretaker sweep up - I hope
     it's the former. Given their previous reluctance to release music or
    to play live unless it was right, I think you'll be in for a good gig.
    
      graham

    
    from Radio 1 News this morning :- John Squire has broken his
    collar-bone and a shoulder blade in a fall from his mountain bike. All
    scheduled dates are to be re-scheduled - he's expected to be out of
    commission for at least 6 weeks. 
    
    Graham

    The Stone Roses have announced 2 more dates, Sheffled Arena (28/12/95)
    & Wembley Arena (29/12/95). Support provided by Black Grape & The Manic
    Street Preachers. Tickets on sale now, apparently.
    
    Stuart

    Stuart,
    
    	Do you seriously expect Shaun, Bez and the other Grapees to turn up
    for a gig 3 days after Christmas !!!!
    
    I don't think so somehow !!!
    
    
    Ian.

    The Stone Roses *may* have broken up, it all seems a bit confusing.  It
    may be that Squire has left the band, Geffen have confirmed that they
    are no longer together.  
    
    I'll dig some more later.
    
    mikef

    
    Not a very good week at all so far %^/
    
    Graham

    just read a couple of snippets in this weeks NME :-
    
    The Stone Roses played at the Benicassum Festival near Madrid in Spain on
    2nd August. The new Guitarist is Aziz Ibrahim formerly of Simply Red *
    Asia. He's not confirmed as the permanent replacement for Squire yet
    though, 'he's the first guy they've found that fits, but they want to
    see how it works out in a Live situation first".
    
    Apparently they were 'astonishingly good' (but we all knew that didn't
    we?) considering recent upsets.
    
    Also, John Squire is seeking an Irish drummer, for no other reason
    than he wants someone Irish in the band! Nice to see that the
    eccentricity that normally accompanies great genius is still alive and
    kicking %^)
    
    Graham
    
    So it looks as though the appearance at Reading should be on then ! 

    >>formerly of Simply Red * Asia.
    
     *Not* the sort of thing you want on your CV.
    
    
    
    
    			Stretch.

    
    I don't know, if he was guitarist in Asia you can bet he was employed
    primarily because he was a good guitar player as oppose to 'Oh, he'll
    look good standing on the right next to the keyboard player...".
    
    or were you referring to his Simply Red pedigree ?
    
    G.

    Both!

    
    it was the other way around - he left Simply Red to join Asia...
    which makes you wonder about Asia's musical taste too, if they actually
    saw him playing and head-hunted him !
    
    G.