Conference marvin::uk_music

    
    I decided last night that "Moondance" and "Brown-eyed Girl" are
    two of my very favorite songs! 
    
    Does Van Morrison still tour?
    
    Sue

    
    He played with The Chieftans recently - the album he did with them
    is exccellent.
    
    David.
    

    The Chieftains and Van the Man will be appearing at the Belfast
    Folk Festival next month 16th-18th and I, for one, will be there.
    
    I don't know about other dates but they played a few venues in the
    UK in June ( I think it was ).                    
    
    Andy.

    
    	Well,
    
      Last night, or was it in the early hours of this morning, i decided
     that The Cure's Head on the door album is my favorite and that
     the Georgia Sattelites are the best kick ass rock band around.
    
      
    
    
    		Grub.....

    The Chieftains played the Boston area in June.  I don't know
    if VM was with them though.  
    
    Sue

    
    Ol Van and The Chiefs didn't get much airplay of their single (can't
    remember the name) .I reckon this was due to it containing a few
    bars of that popular song (tongue firmly in cheek) 'The Sash'
    
    	Stuart (of no persuasion)
    

    re.4
    > the Georgia Sattelites are the best kick ass rock band around.
    
    Yep, good 'n raunchy and they're in Boston tonight!
    
    Sue

    I sort of decided recently that The Ramones are probably the best
    American band in the entire history of the Universe.
    
    - Dan

    > the Georgia Sattelites are the best kick ass rock band around.
    
    > Yep, good 'n raunchy and they're in Boston tonight!
    
Yup, and I'm going! They are great live, too! I can't wait!!!

Alan S.

    re.8
    >< Note 168.8 by AITG::PARMENTER "Laws don't change by obeying them" >

    
    Ramones are good but the best ever ever ever ever ever
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ever ever ever ever ever American band is
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Talking Heads.
    

    *Talking Heads*!!!   Better than the *Ramones*!!!!
    
    I won't even dignify that with a heated debate!
    
    p.s. I am both a brother and a son.
    
    "Lobotomy!"  "Lobotomy!"
    
    - Dan

    None of the afore mentioned bands can hold a candle to The Grateful
    Dead!  I realize that this is a matter of opinion, but so are all
    claims of "best" band.  One thing that is fact is that none of
    them have been around nearly as long as the Dead.
    
    Just my 2 cents,
    
    				Kevin 

    Not sure if this belongs here or in the Cover version topic but
    I'm feeling a little mischievous this morning so its going here,
                  Grateful Dead's version of 'Not fade away' has got
    to be the worst version of that great song ever.
                                              
    
    			Signed
    				Gnashers mate.

    	Actually The Eagles are the best US band. Sorry for the
    disappointment.
    
    K.

    What about some reasoned justification for "best US band", eh?
    Myself I hate the Dead, Eagles (Dead Eagles - now theres a concept)
    and love the Talking Heads and the Ramones, who BTW toured together
    in 1977 before either band was famous - what a bill!!!!
    But its only an opinion - my *fave* US band is probably the Doors
    or the Velvets or the Band (four fifths Canadian really though)
    but that doesnt necessarily make them the *best*
    Eagles, huh!
    
    Bob

    RE: .13
    
    The Dead certainly have been going a long time, and have probably
    more lives sides of music (official, that is) available than anyone
    else - probably about 4 or 5 live albums (mostly doubles, and one
    triple!!!!).  Also, a lot of people don't really know what they
    sound like, or have some vague idea about them being psychedlic
    or something.  They've actually been quite akin to country-ish stuff
    on many of their albums!!!!
    
    David.
    

    re.15
    >	Actually The Eagles are the best US band.
    
    Hear, hear!  (Or is it "here, here"?)
    
    I must say, I like the way this discussion is going.  No arguing 
    or slagging off.
    
    Sue

    I am hearing that the Eagles are better than The Ramones?  Good
    Heavens!  Well, with the Eagles I guess it's a matter of a pinion
    (uughhhhhhhh...sorry 'bout the pun).               
    
    The Ramones are so basic, so primal that they've resisted the worst
    of temptations (such as being produced by Phil Spector) to pretty
    much keep plugging away at what they love, and clebrating "Rock
    and Roll's Three Greatest Chords".
    
    In all seriousness, I think I would enjoy the Dead a lot more if
    it weren't for their totally DEADicated coterie of hippies and
    flower-children that seem to follow them everywhere.  Yes I *know*
    that there are intelligent, non-worshipful Grateful Dead fans out
    there, bless you all.  But, there are a *lot* of deadheads who are
    slavering, worshipful, uncritical and slightly loopy.  I have no
    problem with their music.
    
    Actually, I've heard that deadheads in the U.S. are similar to Hawkwind
    fans in the U.K.  Anyone care to elaborate on that?
                                      
    - Dan

    has no-one ever heard of Little Feat??
    
    Andy
    

    
>        has no-one ever heard of Little Feat??

	Certainly have, and not just in the past, they've got a new album
    	out, I was worried that without yer man Lowell they would be
    	a pale imitation, but I listened to a couple of tracks in the
    	shop - well wicked - I am now the proud owner of an excellent
    	CD.
    
    	Doug (who thinks Bob Seger was/is the best in US)

	Seger and the Eagles, good heavens I forgot about them! They are indeed 
the best American 

makers of elevator music I've ever heard.

> Anyone heard of Little Feat?
	Yes they are attached to my little legs.

	Of course the best American band discussion only applies to non soul 
music (well so far at least) otherwise all of the previously mentioned could be 
instantly forgotten, except Talking Heads and I suppose the Ramones, also 
George Thoroughgood & the destroyers, brilliant.

    	I guess best American music depends on ones ears...
    
    	Back to the subject!

    The discussion of American music and English music, discussed between
    residents of the respective countries is an enlightening one.
    Presumably many of you are British (from the conference title),
    and I am not.  It is fascinating to hear about American music from
    non-Americans.  Perhaps it s equally intreresting for English readers
    to know what Americans think of British Isles bands!
    
    Of course we went bonkers for the Beatles...
    
    - Dan

    
    I don't know if this is old news to everyone but I heard last
    night the the new U2 single "Desire" will be released in the
    US on Sept 19 and the album on October 10.  Also the album will
    be released in the UK the last week in October.
    
    Sue

    
    GERRY GARCIA FOR GOD

    Aren't you all forgetting Steely Dan? 
    
    Ken....
    

    you just beat me to it, Ken......
    
    Tony

    re .15  > ..the Eagles are the best US band....
    
    Why.....?  (beats me)
    
    re .17 > ..a lot of people dont really know what they [the Dead]
    sound like...
    well, to find out what they sound like, I listened to all 6 sides
    of their live 3 lp set, one after the other, also I have heard things
    like Dark Star, which was OK (just about) but most of their stuff
    is pretty lame really. Ithink a lot of their early reputation stems
    as much from their use of hallucinogenics as from their music.
    
    re .? > GARCIA FOR GOD
    
    how can you lay that on him or anyone else for that matter - hes
    only a guy playing a gee-tar after all; hes no more or less god
    like than any of the rest of us
    
    re .28 > Little Feat are still the  bestest band in the universe
    
    Granted they play well and tastefully as a band but they just bore
    me - the same could be said for Steely Dan
    
    I stand by my original choices (Velvets and Doors) partly because
    I love their music but also because of their influence and originality
    - far more than any of the other bands mentioned so far (possible
    exception Steely Dan - noticed how many bands now are citing them
    as an influence?)
    Another US band who make it for me are Television/Tom Verlaine -
    Marquee moon is a real landmark lp for guitar based music
    
    Bye,
    
    Bob

>    In all seriousness, I think I would enjoy the Dead a lot more if
>    it weren't for their totally DEADicated coterie of hippies and
>    flower-children that seem to follow them everywhere.  Yes I *know*
>    that there are intelligent, non-worshipful Grateful Dead fans out
>    there, bless you all.  But, there are a *lot* of deadheads who are
>    slavering, worshipful, uncritical and slightly loopy.  I have no
>    problem with their music.
    
>    Actually, I've heard that deadheads in the U.S. are similar to Hawkwind
>    fans in the U.K.  Anyone care to elaborate on that?
                                      
	 So, Whats wrong with being an Intelligent Hippy who likes the 'Dead
	and Hawkwind ???

	 Also, Why no mention of Dylan, J C Mellencamp or Steve Miller ?


			Graham_the_intelligent_hippy

    re .32:
    
    I said, there are intelligent fans out there who happen to enjoy
    the Grateful dead.  I take it you are one of them!  I am glad to
    hear this, as it proves that my statement is correct.
    
    So, are Hawkwind fans like Dead fans?
    
    - Dan

    
    Sounds like this "catch all" topic is turning into a "Dead" one!!
    
    Check out "Mars Hotel", "Terapin Station" and "Cats Under The Stars"
    - all great albums.
    
    David.
    

    re.34
    > Sounds like this "catch all" topic is turning into a "Dead" one!!
   
    Oh, please, anything but that! ;-)

    
    
    	Here's a vote for Steve Miller being the best, all around American
    band.  JC Mellencamp gets runners-up.....
    
    	GCA/
    

    Re: .17	I can only think of four "live" G.D. albums, "Live
    Dead", "Dead Set","Europe '72" and "Reconing", there has been a
    re-release of "Reconing" that was called "For the Faithful". Even
    "Europe '72" is not a real "live" lp, it is bits and pieces of
    different shows from the tour. 
    
    There are however more live recordings of The Dead in the hands
    of the fans than any other band.  I know people who have 3000 hours
    of tape from Dead shows, ranging from 66 to this summer.  The Dead
    is not for everyone, but before you discard them listen to some
    Real live music by them, find a tape or two and check it out, then
    make your decision.
    
    				Kevin

    The Dead are one of the few bands that encourages bootlegging.
    
    - Dan

    No-one mentioned the good Captain yet....? Maybe not *the* best
    but certainly up there
    
    Bootlegging, hmmm.... definitely a thorny can of worms, batting
    on deep water here... personally, I'm all for it. I've played in
    various bands/solo for many years, always for nothing or very little,
    and I reckon if someone tapes me and enjoys the music thats fine
    by me - music should transcend mere ego and economic considerations
    
    Bob I-used-to-be-a-hippie-but-please-no-more-Dead-notes Green

.23>                                   -< Take it Easy >-
.23>   	I guess best American music depends on ones ears...

    Thats just your opinion!    
    

        
    		Who said Television? Amazing how many excellent bands
    you semi-forget then somebody mentions Marquee moon and you just
    want to run home and switch on that gramophone!! 
    
    		Steve

    
    If your interested....
    
    ADD ENTRY RSTS32::GRATEFUL
    
    Zillions of notes about the dead....
    
    
    Now, what was the basenote??
    
    Gav

    
    
    
    	And theres Tom Petty and the Heatbreakers and ZZ-Top 
      and Lone Justice and The Rainmakers and REM and Green on Red
      and The Cramps......
        Just depends on the mood as far as i'm concerned.
    
             
    
    			Cheers Grub.....

    
    Sorry, it's not a Dead note, just a my favourite US band note. 
    Change the title, anyone!!!!
    
    It's a bit like asking how tall a chinaman is (yes, I know, he's
    as tall as his brother!!!).
    
    Too many to mention - Television, T. Heads, J. Airplane etc.
    
    David.
    
    

    Billy Bragg is the greatest poet of our time. "Talking to the Taxmen
    about poetry", is definately one of the best albums ever.
    
    Steve

    re.44
    > Sorry, it's not a Dead note, just a my favourite US band note. 
    >Change the title, anyone!!!!

    re .45:
    
    Billy's a nice guy too.  I managed to interview him last spring
    before a show at Smith College.  Very pleasant chap.
    
    - Dan

    RE: .46
    
    Only joking!
    
    David.
    

re - lots ....

Notes> Set note/conf=Node::filename

something like that should do it .... you need to have written the note or
be a moderator :-)

FWIW .... I think British bands are generally better then amercican bands
	- did the american's *ever* produce 'super' bands like Zep ?

AP

    
    
    	I'm glad that nobody has mentioned Spunstien in this note yet.
    
    
    
    
    				Grub.....

>>< Note 168.50 by MUNEDU::LACEY "2 Boxes of Frogs!! and thats UGLY!!" >
                               -< well done... >-

>>    	I'm glad that nobody has mentioned Spunstien in this note yet.
    
    
	funnily enough I *was* going to say that the only American act
	to match British bans is Spunstien 


	but I don't think I will now !! :-}

	Question: Does anyone know if "The Last Waltz" is available on video
		  and if so where ?

	cheers

		woof bark meow    
    

    Does anyone know what Simply Red are doing? 
    and
    Does anyone remember a song whse chorus seemed to be "Jane's
     getting serious" ?  Who did it and what was it called, please?
     It was out about two summers ago.
    
    Sue

    No, we never produced a Zep...and I often reflect on the glory of
    this fact.  A faint smile plays about my face and I giggle slightly
    at the glorious prospect of how we as Americans have never produced
    anything like Led Zeppelin.  No, we were too busy producing the
    likes of Jerry Lee Lewis (The Killer) who, in the "ultimate evil
    cool" category has Zep beat hands down I'm afraid.  Deifying Aleister
    Crowley ain't got nothin' on Jerry Lee's "kissin' cousins" ;-)
    
    - Dan

    Zep! Are you kidding??????? All that dinosaur rock cr*p should have
    died out years ago - all the bands from that era who made it big
    are utter utter garbage - Purple, Yes , Genesis (post Gabriel anyway)
    Queen, Floyd, THE LOT, and the 'newer' name bands are no better
    - Level 42 , Simple Minds, etc etc. They just seem to get big and
    give up - many of these bands earlier lps are all right, but they
    all seem to sink into techno blandness eventually.
    I dont find the idea of seeing a band at a gigantic venue at all
    appealing either, I'd rather go to a smaller place and see someone
    who still goes for it a bit - Billy Bragg for instance?  Mind you
    he is a complete pinko commie Russky loving leftie isnt he - what
    has he ever contributed to the present economic miracle? Encouraging
    young impressionable kids to become socialists blah blah shouldnt
    be allowed blah
    
    Bye
    
    Bob

    I challenge *anyone* to think of a more tedious boring annoying bunch of
    posers than Qu**n...   Go on...
                                                                   
    You cant, can you........?
    
    Bob
    

Not to be too patriotic in this Reagan era, but;

No, we didn't produce Zep, but America did produce Muddy Waters and all the
other blues masters that Zep based their whole musical foundation on.

No, we didn't produce the Beatles, but we produced Buddy Holly and Elvis
Presley - two very large influences on the Beatles.

I can go on, but I don't want to continue a pointless fight. Talent has no
boudary lines, nor does it have patriotism. What's good is good, no matter
where it comes from!

re: "Jane's Gettin' Serious"

If I remember correctly, it was by Rick Astley (Ashton?), something like 
that. The guitar solo on the song was by Eric Clapton!

Alan S.

    Yes, Billy Bragg is a cuddly commie, but he's a talented one.  Besides,
    he must have a trace of patriotism, when he played States, he sang
    "Jerusalem" with a full organ accompaniment.  That would be rather
    like Bob Dylan in 1963 singing "America the Beautiful" in England.
    
    And also, to get back to a very early point of mine, America produced
    The Ramones!
    
    - Dan

    RE: a few back.
       
    How can you say this about Led Zeppelin ?
    
    There are groups around today who steal ideas from Led Zeppelin 
    because they can't come up with their own original sounds, The prime 
    example being The Beastie boys (some would say that these 
    are a bunch of Ships anchors!! - me to) who used a Zep. guitar riff
    from "The Ocean" on one of their 'Singles'.
    
    Led zeppelin are / were great and will reamain so.
    Like the Beatles, Led Zep. launched a thousand groups!.
    
    Gary @ RDL. 
                                               

>>< Note 168.56 by WELMTS::GREENB "waiting for my man" >


>>    I challenge *anyone* to think of a more tedious boring annoying bunch of
>>    posers than Qu**n...   Go on...
                                                                   
>>    You cant, can you........?
    
      Duran Duran, Whacko Jacko, Anyone_who_enters_Euro_Trash_'Song'_contest
    
	..... shall I go on :-) 

	There are plenty of *very* tedious bands out there - in fact if I hear
	the 'salt 'n' pepa' monstrosity on the radio again I shall -- bleaugh!

	As for Queen - try going to see them live - might cost you a few bob
	but then the best things in life are worth paying a little more for :-)

	A Queen concert is a good show - lots of action to be enjoyed by a whole
	spectrum of age/culture. Freddy Mercury may be a poser but he's damn
	good at it and for my money Brian May is one of the best guitarist
	alive today....

	That's my 5p's worth anyway .... :-) :-)


	Woof bark meow

    
    
    Re:
    
    >>    I challenge *anyone* to think of a more tedious boring annoying bunch of
>>    posers than Qu**n...   Go on...
                                                                   
>>    You cant, can you........?

       
    I certainly can, one man not even a band........
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
       Yep you guessed it.....
    
    
    
    
            SPUNSTIEN !!!!!1
    
    
    
       Grub......
    
    

    Re .61,
    
    
    		Na cant agree! Spongestream is much to small and ugly
    to be a poser. Whats more while we're on the subject of commies,
    isn't he a bit of a lefty for an American, I mean he's only just
    more liberal than 'bomb the bastards' Ronnie, isn't he.
    
    		Just to link this note up to the other great rat-hole
    in this conference (i.e. note 29) about "Heavy Metal guitarists",
    a phrase which is a gross contadiction in 3 words, HM plonkers are
    the biggest wettest possers of them all.
    
    		Hey Dan, all this about Ramones being good, although
    it may be true, most of their ideas came from bands from the UK.
    
    			Steve

    Did someone just slag off Duran Duran?
    
    Disgusted of Camberley
    
    I *like* them. 8^)

    re 62:
    
    "Brooce" is a lot more liberal than even Reagan would think.  Evidently
    Ronnie never bothered to actually listen to the lyrics of "Born
    in the USA".  Bwucie also performed at the NO NUKES shows, so conclude
    as you will.  He is a bit of a dork though...
    
    Yasss, the Ramones derived their stylings and even their name from
    British sources.  The story goes that 'The Ramones' was to have
    been the name of the anonymous touring band that the Beatles were
    going to put together and Joey and co. used it instead.  As for
    their British sound, well let's call it a mutual admiration society.
    The Sex Pistola admired them, they admired the British punk acts.
    It was all pretty homey, all things considered.
    
    Speaking of British punk acts, do any of you over across the pond
    know what the "real story" is behind...
    
    The Pork Dukes?
    
    - Dan

    The 'real story' behind "The Pork Dukes"? Them of "Makin' Bacon" fame?  
    Whats the 'hearsay story' that you want clarified?
    
    Ian.

    .63>     Did someone just slag off Duran Duran?

    
    		Well if they didn't,  I will.

>>< Note 168.66 by ECCGY4::HAIGH "Well worth a listen" >
                                -< Mild boys! >-

>>    .63>     Did someone just slag off Duran Duran?

    
>>    		Well if they didn't,  I will.


	I was tempted to let spell0-checker change them to "Drone Drone"

	Very apt I thought !!!

	woof bark meow

re .65

>    The 'real story' behind "The Pork Dukes"? Them of "Makin' Bacon" fame?  
>    Whats the 'hearsay story' that you want clarified?

That the real identity of the personnel was the lovable guys 'n' gal from 
Steeleye Span having a bit of a jape. At least that's what I've heardsay.

Nigel

    re 65, 68... Ive heard that one too
    
    re 60.... Yes, many of these people are almost as annoying as Qu**n,
    but none of them have been at it as long, also Jacko was triffic
    with the 5ive. However, I have no desire to see Qu**n live at all;
    apart from the vom factor I would not put a penny in the pockets
    of anyone who played Sun City.
    
    On the commie connection - a certain miners son, born in the USA,
    donated many thousands of pounds to the miners wives support groups
    during the strike of 84/5 while he was touring over here. Who was
    he? Stand up Loose Windscreen, for it is he.          
     
    Viva la revolution! Sandinista! Solidarnosc!
    I love Fidel Castro (and his beard)!!
    
    Bob
    
    

    > Yasss, the Ramones derived their stylings and even their name from
    > British sources...
    > ...As for
    > their British sound, well let's call it a mutual admiration society.
    > The Sex Pistola admired them, they admired the British punk acts.
    > It was all pretty homey, all things considered.

    I disagree.  The Ramone brought their brand of guitar grunge over to
    Britain during the tour for their first album, and people like Lydon
    and Strummer got influenced from them.  Remember, before that year
    the Pistols (without Sid and under a different name) were doing stuff
    that was much less frenetic and loud...

    As for the Pork Dukes...  The story we hear over here is that sometime
    during 1977, the trad-rock band Steeleye Span (Maddy 4-evah!) was in a
    bit of a recess and two of the members, Rick Kemp and Nigel Pegrum,
    formed the Dukes.. either to keep busy or just to have fun.  Did they
    ever play live?  Are there other singles, other than the three Dan and
    I have seen?   They are:

		"Making Bacon" / "Tight Pussy"
		"Telephone Masturbator" / "Melody Makers"
		"Bend and Flush" / "Throbbing Gristle"

    /joe

    The story Joe relates is pretty much my version of it.  We figured
    out that it was Nigel and Rick because the songs are all credited
    to Kemp-Pegrum music.  What I could never figure out is why those
    lovable and charming people would inflict such sounds on an
    unsuspecting world!
    
    I just wanna know the "story behind the story".
    
    Maybe you're right about The 'Mones, Joe.  I don't know who was
    doin' it first, but I do knw that they did it *best*.
    
    - Dan

    As far as I remember, the pistols were influenced by the N Y Dolls,
    who had been around since about 74/5 - still, it dont matter who
    influenced who - theyre all great!
    
    Bob

    Listen, any country that produces the likes of Kate Bush is alright
    by me. BTW, any rumblings about the release of her next album (I
    know there is a seperate note for this, but what the hey)?

    
    Ken....
        

	Re: whatever

	I have "bootleg" of the Clash doing "Blitzkriek Bop" from '76 so
	I tend to think that the Marones influenced the punks since they
	had the New York Dolls and Iggy the Pop and such to influence them.


	Need anyone say MC5.


	Tedious: try "Frankie Goes To Hollywood". Music to get AIDS by.

    All this about the NY dolls and the like, might well be, but as
    I remember, the first Punk band's (of that era) were not the Pistols
    but the Damned (plus a few others Including the Stranglers and Magazine
    I think.) But I guess it could all have been a case of mutual influence,
    whatever, they are all sadly missed.
    
    			Steve.

    
    And dont forget sioxsie and the banshees with Sid Vicious on drums
    
    
    
    	Grub.....

    re -.1 Siouxsie and sid - wasnt that just a one off group at the
    76 punkfest at the 100 club, doing versions of Helter Skelter and
    the Lords Prayer etc, before the formation of the Banshees?
    Also on the bill were the Pistols and the Clash.
    Sad to say I missed it, but I had seen the Pistols in Welwyn Garden
    City the previous February, supporting Mr. Big (who remembers them?
    who would want to?) Talk about raw! They were so bad they were
    brilliant! 
    Eddie and the Hotrods were around very early on in 76 too, werent
    they, although they were more of a sort of rough teenybop R'n'B
    band really - I saw them and wasnt over impressed.
    Magazine was formed by Howard Devoto after he left the wonderful
    BUZZCOCKS - Spiral Scratch, *what a classic*
    
    Bob

    The BUZZCOCKS,     Yes! 
    	First it was Television now the Buzzcocks that GREENB man has
    done it again. 
    
    	On the same theme, if Magazine didn't start until after the
    Buzzcocks when was the Real Life album released, I thought it was
    about '77?
    
    		Steve

    Steve,
     
    as far as I remember, Howie left the Buzzcocks sometime after recording
     the classic Spiral Scratch ep - thats the only Buzzcocks record
    with him singing . I saw them on the White Riot Tour (Clash,
    Slits also on the bill) and Pete Shelley was singing by then, about
    mid 77 that would have been, so real life certainly could have come
    out late 77/early 78 - Shot By Both Sides came out around then,
    and thats another classic in my ears
    
    

    
    "Television" and "Real Life" - both vying for turntable play - great
    times way back when ......
    
    BTW .... Verlaine's solo stuff is great!!!!
    
    David.
    

    Is it true that The Tubes used to peform live sex on stage and were
    consequently banned from quite a few venues (not surprising really).
    
    [I'm away home to decide, as moderator, if I should allow this
    dubious question to be asked ... ]

   As a young boy in the '70s, I remember visiting the home of my uncle, who
   had  a  subscription  to  Playboy that started way back when.. Anyway, at
   some  point  I  *do*  remember  an  article on The Tubes that showed them
   "doing their thing" on stage.  Lots of nudity and just plain BIZARENESS.

   /joe

    re.82
    > Is it true that The Tubes used to peform live sex on stage and were
    >consequently banned from quite a few venues (not surprising really).
     
    My first reaction to that was "WHAT?!" but then I remembered a photo
    I'd seen of Iggy Pop a few years back.  He was on stage in NY and
    I shall refrain from describing what he was doing (to himself).

    re.83 - Just saw Joe's mention of Playboy's article on the Tubes.
    
    It was in Playboy that I saw the photo of Iggy Pop.

re: live sex acts

A couple years ago when I say Lords of the Ne Church at the Channel,
a woman came out of the audience and performed oral sex on Stiv Bators.

re: Tubes

On the live LP, isn't there a picture of Fee Waybill that isn't quite 
decent (ie. somthing's hanging out of his shorts, and it ain't his 
underwear!)

Alan S.

    To change the subject away from all this smut, etc. (*disGUSting*)...
    
    Can anyone jog my memory please - I saw a film recently which had
    Elton Johns "Amoreena" playing over the opening titles and cant
    remember what it is. Any ideas? Its fairly recent but not *that*
    new.
    
    Bob

    
    hey! you guys out there leave ole Brucie alone! he's the greatest
    that ever lived !!!!!!!
    
    in response to Jane of somewhere around note .51? (and who I talked
    to this morning on the phone !) ...as far as I know you can definitely
    get 'The Last Waltz' on video over here....in fact I'm pretty sure
    I've seen it....what a great video? try out Robbie Robertson's album
    - it'll blow you outta your chair !
    
    Vive Bruce, U2, Steely Dan, JCM, INXS, Billy Idol, Van Morrison,
    The Doors, The Eagles and anyone else who has the guts to come out
    and not act like a poser !
    
    Wallsie
    

>>< Note 168.88 by CHEFS::WALLSD "Kiss tomorrow goodbye" >

>>    hey! you guys out there leave ole Brucie alone! he's the greatest
>>    that ever lived !!!!!!!
 	
  
	Going a bit far maybe ... but I agree with the sentiment :-)
  
>>    in response to Jane of somewhere around note .51? (and who I talked
>>    to this morning on the phone !) ...as far as I know you can definitely
>>    get 'The Last Waltz' on video over here....in fact I'm pretty sure
  
	Do you mean me ??? .... 'somewhere' is G2 in Deaf Park - I have seen
	the video for the Last Waltz, but my other half hasn't. I saw it
	*ages* ago round at a friends house, but never seen it in any
	video shops for hire. Might try and buy a copy if all else fails
	- great video - love the bit where they are showing the film crew
	round the studios which used to be a bordello - great decor !!!


	Woof bark meow.

    Add Janis Joplin, Billy Bragg, Undertones, Buzzcocks, Elvis Costello,
    LLoyd Cole, and XTC to that list of non-posers.
    
    Who are the biggest poseurs.....? No. 1 has to be Freddie Mercury!
    
    Bob

    and Demis Rosssaeusuasssz   (SP?)
    
    

    sorree....
    for biggest read most blatant rather than heaviest
    
    3/10 for spelling Steve
    
    Bob

    Re .89 or so from Jane,
    
    I _have_ seen it, but it was a long time ago, trouble is I don't
    remember much about it.
    
    Peter

    
    Was/is Bruce Springsteen The First/only American Punk ?
    
    John
    

	I doubt it...Walking along boardwalks picking up chicks (birds)
	and fixing up cars hardly applys.

	First? Got me...what about James Dean?

    Gotta be Jerry Lee...

    
    I am going to take a stand here...and say that from what little
    I've heard...I LIKE Rick Astley!

    Why can't you guys have your bank holidays the same days as us?
    It'll be so boring in here today, guess I'll have to find some
    *real* work to do for a change!
    
    re.98
    >	Oh dear, Sue... We can talk about this next month...
       
    Oh, good!  But you won't get me to change my mind...

    I hate people that write a reply just because its number 100.

    
    
    	Today  i just hate people !!!!!
    
    
    
    		Grub...

    I think therfore i drink...
    
    but what did i do ????

    
    
    
    I agree with Sue!   I'm on record (somewhere) in this notesfile
    stating that Rick Astley really can sing.  Whether or not you like
    his songs/sound/image, can anyone really put their hand on their
    heart and say the guy can't sing?
    
    There are less talented people than him around making a lot more
    money.
    
    
    Michael
    

    I was prepared to go it alone, but seeing as how someone agrees...:-)

    
    please, hand me the bucket....

    yeah, and Eddie van Halen plays great guitar
              Mark King plays great bass
              Freddie Mercury is a great showman
              Alison Moyet is a great singer
              Clapton, Knopfler etc are great guitarists
    etc etc etc.
    
    But please, after you with the bucket, .106
    
    Bob.   ps glad to see theres still some life in the old note yet!

    Hey Mick - me too!  I was heavily involved in a pro-Rick Astley
    campaign at the back-end of last year, and I have to say that it
    continues to rile me that *many* people fail to acknowledge the
    fact that the guy has a damned good voice!  OK, OK - for a while
    there he was well and truly caught up in the SAW stable, and the
    songs on his debut album are a bit samey, but having heard his new
    self-penned single ("She Wants To Dance With Me") - which I believe
    is not SAW-produced - he has recognised that the fickle record-buying
    public get tired of a 'sound' after a while, and so he's changed
    his style (albeit not exactly in dramatic fashion) whilst maintaining
    his thoroughly modern and emminently danceable sound.
    
    Besides, I think that most people dislike him because he *looks*
    such a pr*t in most of his videos (yeah, and on his odd live appearance
    too!).
    
    Dougie_who's_eagerly_awaiting_news_of_the_next_The_The_release!

    
    
    	THE CLASH were/are probably the best band ever and the most
     influential !!!!!!  and the SEX PISTOLS and Malcolm Maclaren did
     more for the music industry than anyone else.
    
    
    
    
    	Grub....

    Hey, Grub....
    
    >and the SEX PISTOLS and Malcolm Maclaren did more for the music
    >industry than anyone else.
    
    More than the Beatles
    More than Presley
    More than Berry Gordy, Dylan, Bowie, or even SAW
    
    Dont get me wrong, I love the Sex Pistols, well, their first 4 singles
    and Never mind the B*ll*cks, but I think their influence on the
    music *industry* was minimal - 10/11 years on and things in the
    music industry are pretty much the same, or worse (I'm talking here
    about hype, corruption and elitism, not music). I think the climate
    in the industry which the SP's helped to create dint last much past
    79/80 anyway - once the Jam, Undertones, etc stopped having hits
    
    Oh well thats my 2 penceworth
    
    Bob

    
    
    
    	What i mean about the Pistols is that they showed that you
      didn't have to be musically competant (sp?), although Jonesy was
      pretty handy with a guitar, to make good music and sell records
      which meant that the  record companies started taking notice of
      bands that they wouldn't have bothered with before the Pistols.
      Thus opening up the Music industry and discovering some brilliant bands.
                                
    
    		Grub....

    The Bay City Rollers proved that you didn't have to be musically
    competent to sell records years before the Pistols  8^) 8^) 8^)
    
    Tony
    
    

    And The Monkees before that!
    

	But it didn't really start a trend now did it?

    OI!, .115 - You leave the monkees out of this ok?????????
    (Anyway, not only were they musically incompetent, they didnt even
    play on their records, did they? Then again the BCR didnt either.)
     I think the one thing the Sex Pistols and those other early punk
    bands *did* achieve was the d-i-y spirit - you didnt *need* the
    music industry to get your record in the shops, and thats still
    around today, good job too, but its still got little to do with
    the 'industry' in terms of CBS, EMI, MCA, Virgin etc. - they dont
    need it.
     And thats what the 'industry' is all about - selling music
    as cans of beans or shoes or toothpaste - its got bugger all to
    do with music any more, its all image. The sex pistols just got
    in there, did a bit of thieving and got out quick. Thats hardly
    contributing to the music industry.
     Anyway, we didnt need big record companies to tell us how good
    were bands like the Clash, Damned, Buzzcocks, Wire, Jam, Fall and
    loads of others, did we - we knew they were out there, and went
    to *see* them in their natural state, *live on stage*, before they
    ever got signed up
    
    Bob

>    - its got bugger all to
>    do with music any more, its all image.
    
    That's why I listen to jazz 8^) 8^) 8^)
    
    FINALY::JAZZ for more info - new members always wlecome.
    
    Tony

    Tony - I heartily agree with that, my listening is now branching
    out into jazz and associated areas. re your title (did it ever?),
    well to me it certainly did, and still does in one or two exceptional
    cases, Costello, Gabriel, Lloyd Cole etc - is it just coincidence
    that these guys are slightly 'older', maybe theyve seen enough of
    it not to get conned or something like. They all seem to make music
    that they have a genuine love for, and creativity seems to take
    precedence over the big buck (even tho la Gabe must be worth a bit!)
    
    Bob

    I agree with your list (I would add Kate Bush as well) but its
    interesting to note that those guys still have an image - especially
    Costello. Somehow they manage to not let that get in the way of
    their music. I suppose I was being a bit flippant before 8^) but
    it certainly has been the case for a loooong time that completely
    talentless morons have been able to 'make it' in the music biz with
    just an image and scant musical ability. These types don't seem
    to last very long, thankfully. 
    
    As an extra comment I feel the current technology available in the
    music world makes the situation worse. In the 60's and 70's if you
    went to see a live band in a pub then they WERE live - out of tune
    guitars and all. This helped weed out many of the barely able before
    they got too far.  Nowadays the typical live pub gig will be 2 prats
    with a Casio do-it-all keyboard and lots of stuff they've put together
    at home using step-time programming. 
                                         
    Tony

    's a long time since I went to a pub gig, but it sounds like I havent
    missed a lot
    Then again, i'm not anti-tech, nor necessarily pro technique either.
    Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush use technology really creatively,
    Coltrane, Monk and Parker undeniably had amazing technique, but
    I also love the Buzzcocks and the Ramones - I think it all comes
    down to some sort of sincerity in the music, i.e. if an insincere
    posing prat like (plucks name out of the air) say, Freddie Mercury
    makes music, then no matter how good or bad he is technically, the
    music will be insincere posing pratstuff - the music *must* reflect
    the personality of its creator.
    Pretty deep huh?
    
    Bob

    Trouble is that the new technology gives virtually anyone the ability
    to make a top-40 like noise whether they're sincere about it or
    not. If they had to sit down and *learn* their instruments even
    to a modest level then the true artists who had something to say
    would stick at it, the rest would go back to the wine bar or wherever
    they came from in the first place.
    
    PS That brings me to another of my pet hates - people who make a
    name doing something else and then make a 'hit record' (notice how
    those terms are always used before the record's released - how can
    it be a hit if nobody's heard it yet?). Examples include:
    
    Smamfa
    Kevin Keegan
    Wicksy/Sharony/Whoever the other one wasy from East Enders
    Kylie Whatsername from Neighbours
    Grange Hill Kids
                                     
    ooh I'm so angry!!
    
    Tony
    

    Slight disagreement here, Tony
    To me, the importance of learning your instrument is debateable 
    (some of those old blues guys had very limited ability, but loads
    of feel, emotion, whatever)
    What I think is most important is being yourself through the music,
    rather than trying to sound like somebody else.
    God I sound like a right old hippie, dont I
    
    Bob (yer-roots-is-showin) Green
    

    This is an age old debate. The way I feel is this:
    
    Technical ability without ideas/feel is not enough.
    
    Ideas and feel won't get put over very well without a certain 
    level of ability. The more complex the ideas (usually) the more
    ability is required.
    
    This becomes frustrating for the artist more than anything else
    - its terrible trying to express yourself musically when you can't
    string two notes together.
    
    What I was really on about before was people who have neither ideas
    nor feel nor ability either. In the past such people had no access
    to the music world.. Nowadays they can purchase the technology to make a
    'modern' sound and the vast unwashed don't know the difference.
    They concentrate more on the clothes/image/fashion (which is what
    started this little discussion 8^)). Take house music for example.
    You can emulate any house record with a good sampler and drum machine
    - in fact I reckon you could teach someone to make a house single
    quicker than you could teach them to use notes 8^). 
    
    Don't get me wrong I'm not anti-technology or elitist or anything.
    Technology in the right hands, as you pointed out, is an exciting
    prospect. I just feel that somewhere along the line the idea of
    making music has got lost. 
    
    Tony (Keep Music Live)
    
                        

    Tony - all else aside, those last 3 words sum it up.
    
    KEEP MUSIC LIVE
    
    Bob

>        What I think is most important is being yourself through the music,
>    rather than trying to sound like somebody else.

    		yer mean like Rick Astley?
    
    
    	Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I've done it know!
    

    
    I just found out who sings 'Jane's Getting Serious'.  (I know
    how excited you all must be ;-))  It's John Astley - yes, another
    one - and I heard his new song last night.  It's called...
    
    'Let's Take Our Clothes Off & Put This Love To The Test'

    Has anyone heard anything by Melissa Etheridge (sp?)?  I've
    just heard a single she's got out called 'Somebody Bring Me
    Some Water'.
    
    She has a *fantastic* voice, real earthy & powerful.

    
    
    
    Heard the Christians new cover of the Isley Bros classic "harvest
    for the world" this morning, due for release Oct 1st.
    
    Not a drastic departure from the original arrangement, except the
    vocal is distinctly poorer.
    
    But still a good version of a fantastic song.
    
    
    Michael
    

    
    Is that ther same "HFTW" as half of Duran Duran did in The Power
    Station ??
    
    -Tony

    Good group, the Christians.
    I have a live tape of one of their concerts - they cut it on stage
    as well as on record
    
    Bob

    FWIW, I'd just like to throw in the fact that the Style Council
    performed it live on the 'Lenny Henry Show' four years or so ago.
    Again, not a bad attempt at a *great* song, but not a patch on the
    original - best left to the Isley Bros. if you ask me!
    
    Dougie_who_has_his_Isleys_compilation_in_the_'car'_tape_deck

    
    Anyone (I don't, that's why I'm asking) know what the following
    song is.
    
    They use to play it a lot at Jilly's in Manchester round about 76/77. I
    think it's a British outfit, but not sure.  Chrous goes something
    like this:
    
    "Out, out, get out of my house
     You'd better take your great cota too
     No daughter of mine's gonna have to earn a living
     With a dirty little greaser like you"
    
    Any ideas?
    
    David.
    

    re .25
    That new U2 single is out, or close to it - both sides of it played
    on the radio yesterday. *Brilliant*, especially the one with the
    acoustic guitar and organ. (I presume it was the single, it may
    have been lp tracks)
    
    Bob who-can-usually-take-or-leave-U2

    Can I use this note to state how utterly p***ed off I'm getting
    at advertisers use of our vast and beatiful heritage of pop/rock
    songs to peddle their goods or services.
    The latest offender is the use of Bowie's "Changes" on the Hanson
    Trust ad - OK, its not *really* Bowie, but its sure meant to *sound*
    like him, and that seems like just another part of the con to me.
    What I'm trying to say is that songs like this were written with
    some sort of feeling, and with more than a "this is a piece of product,
    give us all your money" mentality, and to use them in order to
    manipulate the consciousness into buying certain products, or into
    accepting the undeniable rightness of "a company from over here
    thats doing rather well over there" (leaving aside any mention of
    exploitation, company acquisition and subsequent asset stripping,
    resultant unemployment, imperialism,insider dealing, etc)delivered
    in that smug voice that 'graces' all the financial service ads,
    *degrades* the meaning of the song, even if that meaning was only
    "hey, lets party", and also distorts the songs place in its original
     historical context.(does this qualify for pseuds corner?)
    Why are these people doing this to *our* music, let them write their
    own music to sell their products (after all, advertising is arguably
    only "convincing us to buy what we don't really need") 
    Any comments?
    
    Bob

    I agree entirely with your comments. All those good songs that are now
    indelibly associated with jeans, lager and corporate boasting. Let us
    not forget the inevitable re-release of the songs in question, often
    with cover versions - you've seen the ad, now buy the single. It just
    shows that the ad industry can't come up with its own good tunes.
    
    However those songs aren't ours except in a spiritual and emotional
    sense. The ones to blame are those who own the publishing rights and
    succumb to the money being offered. I just hope that the writers and
    performers of the originals are making a buck out of it too. 

    We've got the situation here where a major beer company has hired
    lots of big names to actually perform in commercials for them.  Steve 
    Winwood's 'You Know What the Night Can Do' and Eric Clapton's 'After 
    Midnight' are the two most recent songs/artists to fall prey to the 
    Almighty Dollar.  Then there's Michael Jackson's lucrative relationship
    with Pepsi, and the (mis)use of The Beatles 'Revolution' in a TV
    commercial for Nike, which I believe prompted R Starr & G Harrison
    to take Nike to court.  
    
    It is sickening, but apparently everyone has their price.  

    I agree with you that the ad industry can't come up with its own
    good tunes (the last reasonable one I can remember was the Chas
    and Dave "Courage Best" song), but I actually like it when it results
    in the re-release of some really good old songs. Wasn't Nina Simone's
    "My Baby just cares for me" used for an advert, and (dare I say
    it) Doris Day's "Move over Darling"? (By now you're all thinking
    I must be approaching retirement!)
    
    With the advert using "Changes" I think it's really the ad itself
    I dislike, not the use of the song. Anyway, thinking of some recent
    examples of songs written especially for ads (remember "You do the
    Shake and Vac" -- Ugh!) I think the use of good songs is infinitely
    preferable!
    
    Alison (who_really_prefers_Wet_Wet_Wet_to_Doris_Day!)
    

    re -.2 
    Sue, tell me more about the use of Revolution on a Nike ad - somehow
    I cant equate sportwear with lines like "if you go carrying pictures
    of chairman Mao, youre not gonna make it with anyone anyhow" !!
    Apparently this song and the whole White album affected Charles
    Manson so much he was sure he was receiving messages in the music
    from the Beatles
                                                                   
    Bob

    
    Rock music (the stuff that your folks said sounded like trash) has
    simply become more acceptable to the masses.  The 60's kids are now
    80's mum's and dad's (well, you know what I mean); but they still
    listen to rock/pop.
    
    Rock in film soundtracks more, played over TV sports shots etc. etc. -
    it's all over the place, where once it would've been shunned.
                                                                 
    Could the above be the cause for your annoyance with Hanson et al...
    
    David.
    
    

    Bob, its a question, as David said, of what's recognized and 
    accepted by the group yielding the most buying power (for Nike's 
    products).  In this country, as I imagine in the UK, it's the 
    'Baby-boomers'.  The commercial that featured 'Revolution', as
    I remember,  was done in black 'n white, and flashed scenes of
    yuppie types in both business dress wearing Nike athletic
    shoes and in athletic clothing (sweats, gym shorts, track suits,
    etc.) all by Nike.   
    
    There was such an uproar over Nike using the song, that even after
    the commercial was pulled off the air, the resultant publicity would 
    still have made them millions.                                      
               
    Sue
    

    re last two - yes , I know what youre getting at, but Im sure theres
    a lot of us around who are sickened by the use of music that we
    were enlightened by/heightened by/changed by/moved by being used
    as a tool of rampant consumerism, when a lot of that music was
    part of a growing awareness that there could be more and better
    than the mess weve got.(or is this just how music affects me?)
      Even though the music was packaged and sold as a consumable product,
    it is still going to live forever.........
    
    Does anyone else know anything about this Beatles/Manson connection?
    
    Bob

    Charle Manson insists that the "Helter Skelter" track gave him
    instructions to murder Sharon Tate.
    
    A

    re -.1
    I've heard that too, but I cant say I've ever found the message
    Manson claims to have heard - however, it *does* make the heavier
    stuff on the lp, particularly Helter Skelter, very uncomfortable
    listening.......     They do sound very 'out of it', I think.
    Incidentally, a song on John Cale's Helen of Troy lp called Leaving
    it up to you was removed from later editions, apparently because
    of some of the lyrics - lines like "and we could all feel safe
    like Sharon Tate" - were felt to be unacceptable. This song, to anyone
    who hasnt heard it, is pretty heavy stuff, very paranoid, evoking
    similar feelings to Helter Skelter....
    
    Bob

    Along the same lines as the previous notes regarding "music
    prostitution", the Doors manager agreed to let GM use "Light My
    Fire" as an advertisement slogan in the late sixties.  I can't remember
    the dollar amounts involved, but it was non-trivial, as "Light My
    Fire" was a number one hit for some weeks.  However, when Jim Morrison
    got wind of this, he blew his top and refused to let them use it.
    
    Hurray for integrity in music!
    
    Bill from Canada (please, no Ben Johnson Jokes!)

    >>> Hurray for integrity in music.
    
    I'll second that - there *is* still some.....
    and Hurray for Jim Morrison as well, long may his music live
    
    Bob

    refer back about 98 notes to the mention of the Last Waltz video.
    
    yes it is available in the UK
    
    it is on warner bros video
    
    it is very good indeed
    
    it costs 9.99 in Smiths - or at least it did last Xmas when I got
    my copy!!
    
    andy
    

    "The Last Waltz" is on BBC2 next Sunday night (9th Oct).
    
    Rod
    

	Thanks for the info re Last Waltz ....

	Looks like I might save 9.99  :-) :-)

	woof bark meow    

    As I started this 'perptual rathole', I'd like to ask a non-music
    related question please.
    
    What do you Europeans (:-)) think of Robin Williams' humo(u)r?
    
    Sue

    I think he's really funny, still not sure about the Popeye film
    though
    
    	- Paul -

    Absolutely Brilliant!!  Hopefully 'Goodmorning Vietnam' will give
    him the recognition he deserves.
    
    Mazzer
    

    
    
    Just to alert you all of three great new record releases (which
    will probably flop anyway!)
    
    
    	Ordinary Angel       Hue & Cry  (new album's due out soon -
                                         can't wait!)
    
        Deep & Wide & Tall   Aztec Camera  (second time around - fingers
                                            crossed)
    
        Cars & Girls         Prefab Sprout  (from the excellent Langley
                                             Park album - again second
                                             time around)
    
    
    
    IT WILL BE A CRIME IF THESE SONGS DON'T CHART!
    
    
    (calming down)
    Michael
    

    re Robin Williams.
    I think he's brilliant!!! One of his more obscure films is "the
    Survivors" with Walter Matthau, in which RW plays an out of work
    salesman who becomes involved with one of these extreme right wing
    survivalist groups. See it, its verrrry funny!
    My ex-brother-in-law, who is an actor for a living, saw him perform
    at a small club a few years ago, where he just improvised for over
    two hours and knocked em dead!!
    
    Bob

    Wasn't there a TV broadcast of the Jamaican/Hurricane Gilbert
    benefit concert on last night (in the UK)?
    
    How was it?  Who was on?
    
    Sue 

     Yep, I video'ed the 10-12pm section which was supposed to
    contain U2, Aztec Camera, Joan Armatrading and someone else.
    
    I have not yet watched the video! so cannot comment.
    
    Ray. (who only video'ed it for JA really!)
    

    Ray - I hope you left your video on record after 12. I was going
    to tape Bob Marley, but the Smile Jamaica show was still going strong
    at 12:30.
    I just threw a tape in at that time and recorded the next 3 hours -
    I'm hoping Bobby's in there somewhere!
    
    Bob

     I spent bl**dy ages going backwards and forwards thru the
    tape last night, could I see Joan Armatrading? No!
    
     I _appear_ to have got the end on the tape (but I cant be sure)
    all I did was turn the VCR on at 2200 before I went to bed, and
    let the tape run out.....there should have been over 2 hours left
    on the tape..... 
    
     Can anyone help, where was Joans set?
    
    Ray.

    Saw 'Rattle & Hum' last night and it was brilliant!  Most of it
    is in black and white which is very effective.  Highlights for me
    were them  singing with the black choir in a Harlem church, 
    recording in Sun Studios in Memphis, Larry Mullen's paying 
    homage to Elvis and their visit to Graceland (was really touching
    as Mullen got choked up at one point), and their singing 'Sunday,
    Bloody Sunday' the day of the bombing in Enniskillen.  The sound,
    and choice of music is tremendous...and you should see them with
    BB King - HOT!  (King says "We gotta get someone to play chords,
    I can't play chords".  Bono's reply - "Don't worry about it, Edge'll
    play chords.  He only knows two anyway."  :-)  
                        
    I couldn't pick a 'best moment' or favorite song - it was all that
    good!

    
    
    Just thought I'd share an amusing extract from the June edition
    of "Q" with you all.   It features an interview with Godley & Creme
    talking about their video-making.
    
    
    ""We flew over to L.A. to see a band who wanted us to make a video
      for them" says Lol Creme, "and we gave them the test question
      we always ask:  How do feel about not appearing in your own video
      then?   The lead singer looked very unhappy  and said  Heeey man,
      I got to let all the chicks know I'm open for business".
    
      "Cheque, please" says Kevin Godley.  "Next plane home".

      "We just knew there wasn't going to be a meeting of minds.  Making
       a video, everybody from the grip to the caterers to the artists
       have to function well together and if you've got some asshole
       whose ego...."
    
          "lookahere, how about a close-up of my d*ck?""
    
    
    
    
    Reprinted without permission.
    
    Michael
    

    We lost one of the greats last night.  Listening to him sing
    is always a pleasurable experience for me and I will miss him.
    
    (He played 2 shows in Boston over the week-end, and now he's
    gone.  Unbelievable.)

    Must agree Sue,  I always enjoyed listening to Roy - he will
    be sorely missed here too!
    
    

    
    	Today at lunch time on the Simon Bates R1 show they played what
    would have been Roy's new single .He recorded it for Virgin who
    have just completed all the production work on it and had it scheduled
    for release early next year .Due to his death ,and Virgins reluctance
    to become involved in the exploitation which is bound to happen
    , they wont be releasing it for (what they say) some considerable
    time .
    
    	Did anyone else hear it ,can they supply the title - I missed
    it ! It was a real nice song though ,smooth amd mellow and flowed
    sweetly . Yeah ,he'll be missed ! 
    
    Stuart .

    
    I've heard the name of the new album will be 'Mystery Girl' which
    was supposed to have been released in February (?).  Don't know
    the name of any single, though.
    
    Sue 

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    re .9
    >> and George Michael writes good tunes, doesn't he?
    
    That's your opinion!  IMO, NO!, he doesn't.  But let's not start this
    arguement again.               
    
    Steve O

    Can we not make this an official_slagging_off_George_Michael_note?
    
    Please?
    
    :-)

    Don't worry, it isn't.

    re .169
    Yea, don't worry.  That wasn't what I had intended.  Just put my
    note (286.12 (but it's not there anymore)) in context.  and read
    286.9.  That'll clear things up.
    
    Steve O (who really doesn't have anything against GM anymore)

    what's the " :-( " for???
    
    I dun't git it.
    
    Steve O

    I'm sulking cause I don't get to be vicious....
    
    :-)
    (which means - not really I'm only pretending)
    
    Karina_who's_going_silly_here

    Keith,
    
    Did the Stratowhatever make it home alright?  I guess Concorde was
    fitting transportation for such a treasured possession.
    
    Sue

    I'm being adventurous and going to see Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
    on Feb 11 - solely on the recommendation of a friend.  
    
    Any comments on the man, his music, etc would be welcome.
    
    Sue

    
    
    	Sue, don't miss ol' Nick he's damn good live, his records sometimes
      leave a bit to be desired but live he's great.
                                     
    
    	Grub.....

    Thanks Grub, I've got my tickets.  Any particular songs I should
    be listening for?  What's he 'known' for?
    
    A band called Wolfgang Press are opening...I've never heard of them
    either  :-)
    
    Sue

    You can read more about Wolfgang Press in BOMBE::RADIO_RADIO
    
    Sorry, I don't know how to do that "hit KP7" thang...
    
    Bob

    Can anyone tell me who sung the original "Ain't Nobodies
    Business If I Do" as sung on 'Lady Sings The Blues' with
    Diana Ross.
    
    I have the Billie Holliday version but would like to know
    who sings the original.
    
    Ta in advance
    Mazzer
    

    Mazzer, I think you might find, although I'm not sure, that "Ain't
    Nobodies Business if I Do" is one of those old standards that a
    lot of jazz/blues singers do - I've got Billie's version, and at
    least one other (could be Ella Fitgerald, Sarah Vaughan or Dinah
    Washington, though), although Billie does make it kind of her own....
    
    Bob

    I'm bound and determined to enjoy what is normally the worst
    time of the year - winter.  
    
    Besides going to see Nick Cave this Saturday, I've got tics
    for the Proclaimers on the 1st and just yesterday got some
    for Hothouse Flowers :-)  This promises to be an interesting
    6 weeks :-)
    
    Sue

    
    I'm gonna use this note to mention last weekends Night Network,
    a programme soon to be removed from our screens (they always stop
    showing the ones I like....)
    
    Anyway, for those of you who have caught any of this show, on Saturday
    nights show they have a section called the Video View where they
    get a couple of 'celebs' to comment on a batch of new videos.
    
    Anyway, last weekend they had Julia Fordham and Blackie Lawless
    (WASP fame). What a combination. Julia being your thoroughly modern
    'hey whats wrong with gay people' and all that sort of jive, and
    Blackie the complete opposite, the thoroughly macho 'hey my life
    revolves round chicks man...'
    
    The first video 'Mojo Nixon - Elvis is Everywhere' (a brilliant
    song) started things off but they then played Jean Paul Gaultier,
    the fashion mannie who wants to make a few more bucks by releasing
    a shittie song accompanied by a video showing what a wonderful ???
    thing fashion is (eugh). Blackie comment after this one"
    "Shit man, homosexuals are taking over the world."
    
    Miss Fordham then got extremely upset and asked him to justify what
    he said. I am surprised blood wasn't shed.
    
    this vein continued throughout with both of them having completely
    different views on every video.
    
    Proclaimers:
        Blackie "There is no justice in this world. the Revenge of the
                 Nerds pick up a guitar and make millions"
        Julia    " well I quite like the Proclaimers....."
    
    ....and so it went on.
    
    It will be a sad day when they end the video view.
    
    cheers
    Tommy
    
    P.s. do try and listen to the Mojo Nixon song if you can. you wont
    regret it....
    
    
    

    On this date in 1956, Elvis Presley entered the US charts with
    his first (national) hit - Heartbreak Hotel

    
    
    On this day in 1956, my mother was 29 weeks pregnant.
    
    
    
    Michael
    

    I watched some of "Fats Domino and Friends" on Beeb 1 last night. Some
    of the friends were Ron Wood, looking raddled and debauched, Ray
    Charles, who was the best in the show, Jerry Lee Lewis and Paul
    Shaffer.
    
    A couple of questions came to mind as we watched, so maybe you lot can
    help:
    
    o  Who is Paul Shaffer?
    o  Did Jerry Lee stay married to his child bride?
    
    
    Rod

    Paul Shaeffer is a songwriter/conductor/man about town on a number
    of television shows. He conducted the "Saturday Night Live" band
    (which explains the connection with Ackroyd/Belushi) and also the
    "David Letterman" show band.

    

    Re previous two: thanks!
    
    Rod

    Any thoughts on Christy Moore?
    
    Thanks,
    Sue

    Saw him at Cambridge Folk Fest. for the first time last year - loved
    him.  He obviously has a very big following in the UK.  The song
    about festivals ('Listdunevana' or somthing like that.
    
    David.
    

    Close Dave....its Lisdoonvarna!!!
    
    Sue I have an interview with him from an Irish music magazine called
    Hot Press that I can sent to you if you like. This is a pretty unique
    *copy* as it has Johnny Logan's autograph on the cover...how I managed
    that is another story alltogether!!!
    
    - Dave K.

    That'd be great Dave, thanks!  (...but, who's Johnny Logan?)
                                    
    My mailstop is MRO1-2/PS1
    
    Cheers,
    Sue

    Does anyone agree that the current single "I beg your pardon" by Kon
    Kan, whoever they are, is a complete rip-off of New Order? I thought it
    was them the first time I heard it, but it ain't. Kon Kan ought to
    send all their royalties to Factory immediatement.
    
    Rod

    
    I must admit to thinking it was New Order for the first 7 or 8 times
    I heard it. I was quite disappointed when I found out it wasn't!
    
    Mark :^)
    

    
    anyone know of any Roy Harper gigs in the south. I couldn't make it up
    to London on Friday night for that gig but surely there must be some
    others in places like Oxford etc etc.
    
    hopefully
    Tommy

    Hello Tommy, I thought I was the only Harper fan in here. I missed
    Friday, too. I saw him at the 100 Club recently, and he was at the
    Half Moon about four days after that, so he seems to be gigging
    quite regularly of late. I'll try and find out if any more gigs
    are in the offing.
    
    Bob

    
    Who tickets go on sale here in about an hour for a July 12
    Sullivan Stadium (Foxboro, MA) appearance.
    
    I think they're doing 25 cities here as a 25th anniversary
    tour. 
    
    Will they be touring the UK also or just the US?

    
    Where's Dougie lately?  Seems a couple weeks since he's entered
    anything.

    Sue, I'm still here alright - it's just that I haven't had much
    time for noting lately.  Too much d*mn work, y'know!!

    Dougie, hi! If you're still having trouble getting into that Tom
    Waits stuff, but don't want to give up entirely, try some of his
    earlier lp's, which are slightly more, er, relaxing - they're more
    of a jazz/blues type of thing, based around piano and string bass,
    and Tom's vocal style is a little more accessible.
    
    Bob

    Hi Bob(don't over-do-it with the work Dougie :-)
      
    The only Tom Waits album I can really listen to from beginning to
    end is 'Closing time'...is there any other of his albums in the
    same vein/vain(!)?...it's sorta got a country/soul feel(I think).
    I havn't really heard any of his newer stuff.
    
    - Dave K.
    

    Dave, if you like Closing Time, try The Heart of Saturday Night,
    which is in a similar vein, but slightly jazzier and bluesier.
    Alternatively, The Asylum Years compilation is a good introduction,
    with tracks from his first four or five albums. There is also a
    live double, Nighthawks at the diner, which is Tom scatting and
    rapping over a jazz quartet - apart from one or two tracks, it's
    not very melodic, but I love it nonetheless. His other early lp's
    in the vein you like are Blue Valentine and Bounced Checks; the
    slightly later Heartattack and Vine shows, in retrospect, a movement
    towards the style of Swordfishtrombones and Rain Dogs, but at the
    same time is not a very radical departure from the earlier albums;
    the vocals are a little gruffer here and there, and some of the
    songs feature a heavily distorted bluesy guitar as the main instrument,
    rather than the acoustic piano.
    
    As you can probably tell, I'm definitely a fan!
    
    Bob

    Bob, I must confess that I'm *still* trying to get into the RAINDOGS
    and SWORDFISHTROMBONES - I think it's his brash, course vocal style
    that I find rather difficult to adjust to, and some of the instrumentation
    is odd to say the least.
    
    However, I will persevere, and I'm more than willing to try some
    of the earlier, less cluttered stuff.  THE ASYLUM YEARS sounds interesting -
    am I right in saying that it's a double album?  If so, do you happen
    to know if it's available on CD (single or double)?
    
    BTW, I saw a guy in town last week-end with a superb Tom Waits T-shirt
    on - black shirt with a drunken Tom kind lurching against a vehicle
    of some kind.  Neat.
    
    Still listening to the Bowie tapes?  8-)    

    Blue Valentine??? This is one album that everyone in the world must
    own!!!  If you don't have a copy, go and buy one NOW.
    Mike

    Anybody know if anyone good's playing in London-Reading between
    Aug 25 and Aug 30?
    
    Sue 

    Sue,
    
    When you are over here, get hold of a copy of either Time Out, or
    City Limits. Every gig in London is announced there, often with
    a brief paragraph that lets you know what you are in for. There
    are many lesser known bands to be seen off the beaten track, especially
    if, like me, you prefer smaller places.
    
    Bob

    If you are in Reading that weekend, then the festival has a wonderfull
    line up  (see other notes for details).
    
    Mike 

    
    Thanks Bob, I know about Time Out & City Limits.  Last twice when
    I've waited til getting there I've found things have been sold
    out, so I thought I'd ask now, a month ahead.  Oh, well... I'll
    have an evening with Elvis Costello (8/18) to tide me over, I 
    guess...and as Mike says there's always the festival.
    
    Sue :-)

    Sue, if Elvis is perfroming solo, as he did when I saw him a couple
    of months back in London, you are in for a killer evening. One thing
    that totally surprised me (never having seen him before) is how
    *funny* he can be on stage.
    
    Bob

    I believe he's doing half solo/acoustic, then bringing on a
    band of some kind... forget their name though.
    
    I'm really looking forward to it, outside under the stars on
    a warm August evening :-)

    Where is EC playing under the stars?????
    
    Mike
    

    That's what he did here - about 1.5 hours solo, and then closed
    with a few numbers assisted by Glenn Tilbrook and Chris Difford
    from Squeeze, and Nick Lowe of Nick Lowe fame (not sure if he'd
    do the same there, as I think this may have been a kind of one off)
    
    Funnily enough, I prefer the material off SpIke in an acoustic setting,
    which is not to detract from the magnificence of the album.
    
    Bob

    I'll look at the tickets tonight to see the name of the band.
    (It wasn't anyone I'd ever heard of before).
    
    He's playing at Great Woods, here in Mansfield, MA - an amphitheater
    with 'real' seats as well as a grass bank sloping up behind the
    seating.
    
    Sue

    If Nick Lowe is there, chances are he'll do a few songs at the start
    of the evening. His duet with Elvis on '(What's So Funny About)
    Peace Love and Understanding' (and what is, I ask?) is truly wonderful.
    
    Bob

    Is there any news about Tom Waits? I'd like to know if he is touring
    soon, as I missed him last time around.
    
    Bob

    Mick's birthday today - 46 yrs old!!!
    
    He's spending the day rehearsing with the Stones in the 
    converted private girls school they've taken over in 
    Connecticut.
                                                            
    Will he be up to the rigors of touring once again?  
       
    Sue (conceivably...young enough to be his daughter)

    When they took over the girls' school did they throw the little
    girls out ... or just marry them?

    
    Hey, what's been happening?  I couldn't get in here since last
    Wednesday?
    
    Sue

    Yeah, me too. First I lost my entire notebook, then I was getting
    'file not found' when I tried to get back in here.
    
    Bob

I know this is old news, but I couldn't get in till now- sorry!

Last Monday (7/31) at 8am tickets went on sale for one show that
the Stones would be doing in Sullivan Stadium (where the New England
Patriots play) in Foxboro MA on Oct 1.

That show sold out in 1 hr, 46 minutes.  A second show was added and
it sold out in 1 hr, 53 minutes.  A third show was added and it sold
out in 3 hrs, 41 minutes.

In all, 165,000 tickets were sold.  (Fans could purchase a max. of six
tickets each.)  There were 52 locations to purchase tickets and 60
telephone operators for phone bookings.

The sale broke records for selling out an unprecedented 3 shows in 1
day at Sullivan, beating the Who's two shows in a day a couple of months
ago.  Also, Sullivan was the first location on the tour to sell out all
its shows in one day.
    
Mommy's bad dream?  ...I would think with the money they'll make on
    this tour that Mommy would be glad to have a Bill Wyman in the
    family... oh, yeah, he's already taken.    

    There was a problem on HEART::. I don't have access to that system, so
    I couldn't fix it...still, seems OK now.
    
    Keith

    I'm finally getting the chance to go to a gig in the UK.  'Big
    deal' you're probably all saying.  
    
    I'm going to see Simple Minds at Wembley on Saturday. (Michael don't
    feel sorry for me, I've got to start somewhere.)  
    
    I think I'm going to enjoy this...:-)

    
    Ewan MacColl, son of a Scottish ironworker, died of a heart attack
    Sunday at age 74.  
    
    Americans would know his "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face",
    which won a Grammy for Roberta Flack in 1972.

    Watch "Play Misty for me".

    Ewan being the father of Kirsty ?
    
    juju
    xxxx
    

    Yes Ewan was Kirsty's father. He's known (to me at least) for writing
    "Dirty Old Town" many, many years back. It's included on the Pogues'
    "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash" album.

    - Tim 

Ok, Tim, this is what's confirmed at this point for the time you're
    here:

The Channel:
	Nov 22 - the Fools
	 "  30 - Bonham

Worcester Centrum:
	Nov 28 - Gloria Estefan & MSM
	Dec 6 and 8 - Billy Joel
	 "  15  and 16 - Motley Crue (with Warrant)
	
The Paradise:
	Nov 29 - Daniel Lanois
	Dec 3  - Animal Logic (Stanley Clarke, Stewart Copeland & Deb Holland)
	 "  5  - Trevor Rabin
	 "  7  - They Might Be Giants

Nightstage:
	Dec  1 - James Cotton & Ronnie Earl (blues)
	 "   5 - Tower of Power
	 "   6 - Nona Hendryx
	 "   8 - Robben Ford
	 "  10 - Beat Farmers

Orpheum Theatre:
	Nov 28 - Psych Furs
	Dec 1  - Billy Squier
	 "  16 - The Alarm

Berklee Performance Center:
	Dec  3 - Branford Marsalis Quartet
	Dec  8 - Jean Luc Ponty

Symphony Hall:
	Nov 26 - Arlo Guthrie

New York:
	Dec 11,12,14,15 - Paul McCartney

Toronto:
	Dec 3,4 - Stones

Montreal:
	Dec 13 - Stones

It's still a bit early yet.  I'll keep looking and enter new stuff over
the next couple weeks if you want.  (Seeing as how everything is relative
    and many Bostonians still think of Boston as the "Hub of the Universe"
    anyway ;-), I've included NY, Montreal, and Toronto as possibilities 
    for you :-)) 
    
    Sue (neither a Bostonian nor a follower of Einstein)

    Well, there's _plenty_ to choose from. Thanks for all that typing.

    One that I may be interested in is J L Ponty as I had a few of his
    records some years back.

    And...The Beat Farmers!! I thought they were still doing London pub
    venues. If I drop into see cousins in the Boston area I'll probably end
    up in some bar listening to trad Irish. Not much wrong with that either
    I suppose.

    Again thanks for the info.

    - Tim

    No problem.  Anytime anyone wants stuff like that, just let me
    know, I'd be glad to oblige.

    Buh buh buht....Sue, have you found that old music paper with the
    Laurie dates ??

    You didn't think I was going to let you off that easily, did you ? -;)

    - Tim

This didn't warrent a topic of it's own so I thought I'd stick it here.

Last week saw myself and there friends participate in the first round of a pop
quiz, run in a local pub, sponsored by McEwans. We only entered our names (or 
rather mine as I was the most drunk) as we were slightly tipsy at the time. 
Anyway, as I was saying, the first round was last week and what do you think we
went and done? Yep, semi-final here we come!!!! My jubilation was short lived
however. Having earlier been of the mind that Roy Harper was playing the Queens
Hall in Edinburgh on the Tuesday night I was soon to find out that he was 
playing Monday (tonight) instead. So do I abandon the team and go see a guy who
I have been dying to see for years but have been ALWAYS been in the wrong place
at the wrong time. This time I am actually here when he is playing but I 
really can't let them down (not that I'm much good to them anyway apart from
being someone to blame when we get beat).

What I would like to ask from you lot is does anybody know of any other Roy 
Harper dates anywhere in the country. I did mean to place this here last week
after we'd won but I got so excited looking forward to tonights semi's (and the
final if we make ie I may add) that I forgot.

If you don't here from me tomorrow you can guess at a win for us.

Seeya tomorrow
Tommy

    Tommy....the important question is....what do you get if you win?

    S**t, I was hoping he'd forget.  
    
    Ya see Tim, it's like this.....the paper went out in the trash 
    and was taken away before I could catch it.

    I'm not sure what the next move is. Mebbe I havta cross someone's palm
    with silver or smt...to...like...y'know...aaahm...ring
    up...ahhhm...booking agencies....ahhhm....to ahhhhm....ask them...
    ahhhmm _when_ and _where_...ahhhm the good woman is playing.

    No, I haven't the courage to ask anyone that.

    - Tim

    Say no more

    I _wonder_ what that means ??

    
    I'll find out by the end of today when she's coming to Boston,
    and more dates *if possible*.

    I've said this so often it's definitely sounding `old and worn' but... 



    Thanks Sue!

    - Tim

    Ok Tim, I've called two radio stations and the newspaper who had 
    the article about her.  They all said they know of *no* plans for
    her to play the Boston area between now and the early part of 
    December.  (That's as far out as their listings go.)
    
    Sue

    I found a long, thin handout at Tower Records (with Annie L. and Dave
    Stewart on the front) that says that Laurie will be touring the area
    around February.
    
    -Scott

    Has anyone heard of a band called Underworld (is my ignorance
    showing again :-})??
    
    They opened for Eurythmics last night and were really good!

    It's been very quiet in here recently. Only the first liner note
    keeping the flag flying. W'happen ?

    - Tim

    I've been dividing my time between assimilating some new music,
    and beating my brains out on some of those first-liners. The only
    one I would have got was the Tom Waits one, and I was out at *&$%$#&
    college all day yesterday.
    
    Perhaps this is the pre-Christams quiet week. Maybe we should be
    thankful, because any day now we'll get hit with all the usual rubbish
    jostling for the fabled Christmas No. 1 spot.
    
    Bob

    System updates and stuff here in Leeds have kept me busy and I've also
    been going mad buying record after record. 7 E.P.'s in one week, I
    think thats my record.
    
    I'll try to put in a review of the Leeds Wedding Present show today.
    And Stuart is right, they have become dissapointing live since there
    Ukrainian tour.
    
    Bruce

    I've been swamped but happened to see your note, Tim, about
    NY clubs and music.  I happen to be going home to the NYC
    area for the Thanksgiving weekend.  Would you like me to
    get a Village Voice, then mail it up to you in Spitbrook
    so its waiting for you when you get there?
    
    I may be going into the city next Friday or Saturday, it 
    depends what else is going on at home.  Would anyone like
    anything if I do go in?
    
    Sue

    Sue,
        hello! after a long absence (exclamation mark).

    That would be beautiful of you and I would really enjoy reading it.
    Even if it's from the previous week.

    (The Village Voice and any Boston papers - Can i get to see The
    Throwing Muses or The Pixies ??)
     
    I'm looking forward to seeing you (even though Keith tells me you are
    married! -;).

    Have a good day!

    - Tim

    PS Brian, a friend, left today so I cannot account for my noting style.
       (oblig `smilie' -;)
    

    John Lennon was murdered nine years ago tonight.

	I've a problem with my walkman. When I need to play the other side
	of a tape I simply hit the "reverse" switch. However it's playing
	the tracks backwards. Listening to Bob dylan's second album on it I
	hardly noticed. Does anyone have a Zeppelin tape ??

    - Tim

    Where's that "Wild Man in Spectacles", Bob Green ?

    Hurry in here Bob and sort out our tastes for the 90's!

    Happy New Year!

    - Tim

    re .251
    
    Funny you should say that. I thought I got a Zeppelin tape for 
    Christmas, but it turned out to be Jason Donovan backwards. 
    
    Now I've had my Walkman fixed, I find the tape sounds much better
    when I simply take the batteries out.
    
    Richard.

    Can I get something off my chest please?
    
    Music is art. 
    Art is subjective.
    

Anybody heard of Ivor Cutler?  No?  Thought not.

Small Scottish man, plays the harmonium, about a hundred years old.  He has 
about 6 or 7 albums to his name.

Not specifically a musician, mainly a poet, but he does some hilarious toons
with titles like `I believe in Bugs', `A doughtnut in my hand' and `Bicarbonate
of Chicken'.  Plays a mean harmonium!

He's doing a series of shows on Radio 3 over the coming weeks.  The shows go 
out at 9:30 on Thursday evenings.  Some of it's old stuff, some new, but it 
gives you an idea of the man's material.

It would be nice if there we're enough fans of his out there to start an Ivor
Cutler fan club note in this conference. It would make a nice change from the
sudden indie fever in this conference!

Lee

    Good grief, yes. I can remember when John Peel played a lot of IC's
    output, and now he's on Radio 3. Whatever next?
    
    I don't have any IC albums, and I can't remember any specific stuff. I
    do remember that he's almost like a cross between a folk club act and a
    parody of music hall. Also hilarious.
    
    Any recommendations (assuming his output can still be found)?
    
    Dave

    Where's Tony Dallison been lately?

    I used to have "Tales from a Scots Sitting Room", with the funniest bit
    being the dog-eared medical manual .... 

Crikey!  Two replies on old Ivor!

Ivor Cutler's records to date;

Gruts
Jammy Smears
Life in a Scotch Sitting Room, Vol. 2 (Don't think there was ever a Vol. 1)
Velvet Donkey
Dandruff
Prince Ivor (double LP)
Privilege

He also has about 6 or so books of poetry.

	Lee.

    Another IC fan here!!  What time is his present radio series (radio 3)
    running?  Is it on yet?  Why isn't everyone in the world an IC fan?
    
    Mikef

    Juat another bit of IC trivia, it was his birthday yesterday.

    The IC series is Thursday, Radio 3 at about 9pm. I'll verify that
    tomorrow. He got thumbs down from one of the newspapers
    ("The Independant") but I'm not letting that put me off. They wrote
    that ten minutes of him was enough, 30 mins an overdose.

    Incidentally he also crops up on Robert Wyatt's (1975) album
    "Rock Bottom". Any Robert Wyatt listeners out there ? 

    - Tim

    Thanks for the info.  I like RW, but I only have more recent stuff
    (Shipbuilding onwards...what is the name of the lp with the green
    cover?).
    
    Mikef

    "King Cutler II" is on at 9.25pm tonight. It runs for 30 mins.

    (Can I tape it ??)

    - Tim

    McCartney next Tuesday, Clapton next Wednesday, the Buddy Holly story
    next month and - who knows? - maybe even a version of the Eagles later
    this year. Could be a good year for music!

    
    Cor! Maybe they will release some Elvis tracks too.
    
    

    
    
    yippee   ,  maybe even a tour by Des O`Conner ....
    
    
    Phil jnr

    Daniel O'Donnell is the man tho...Reading Hexagon, in march I believe. 
    Also, Woolies in Basingstoke is selling one of his albums cheap.  Now
    is a good time to check hm out!
    
    Mikef

    
    Re D O'D
    
    AND....
    
    
    There's a video too! So even if you can't make a live gig (Hope
    it doesn't clash with my holiday!) you can still catch the great
    man performing live!
    
    Well worth 9.99 I'd say!
    
    Mark

    If this were America I'm sure the record-buyer would sue you two.
    Sorry if I'm spoiling anything!

    - Tim

    Mike...put your hand on the Bible and swear that you're a fan of the
    man. (Stop sniggering Dave Keating!)

    - Tim

    Not much in the N.M.E. (`the Bible') this week. An interview with the
    old begrudger Mark E Smith (a musical version of SOAPBOX). Good Fall
    toons though.

    Serious Capitalist Paul McCartney almost gets the thumbs-up for a
    concert in Birmingham NEC. I've read that VISA are sponsoring his
    current World Tour...to the `tune' of (sorry!) 8m dollars. Crafty
    veggie that he is.

    Indie fins may be interested to know that The Inspiral Carpets have
    signed a new recording deal with Mute Records and Happy Monday singer
    Shaun Ryder was cleared on a cocaine posession charge (the lad was
    `bust' at Jersey Airport - honestly! The places some people decide to
    carry their drugs! -;). 

    And an interview with the great Cramps, `Poison' Ivy Rorshack, Lux
    Interior and the others. Great names too and good to see them back.
    A new album is out soon. It is "Stay Sick".

    Still no news on leftie Paul Weller who began the '80s adulated to
    extremes by music hacks and ended the decade being gutted for writing
    sub-standard `Round Midnight bar-room torch songs'. Never trust a hack.

    Nevertheless Mr. Weller must have put aside a sizeable amount of money
    by now. `Red Wedge' huh ??

    - Tim

	Is Ivor Cutler on Radio 3 again this Thursday ???

	P1

    I think so, as it's a new series. I've missed it so far. (I happened to
    be at The Comedy Store in Leicester Sq. last Thurday evening).

    - Tim

    Welcome back Dave Cohen!

    I see the job's not *too* hectic anymore.

    - Tim

    Apparently, Half man half biscuit have reformed.
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    RE .278, .279
    
    Yeh, I have been a bit slack of late, so it's good to be back to
    noting for change.  Dunno how long I can keep this up.  Now, if
    only I could find the time to list those gigs ....
    
    David.
    

    
    Ok, who's John Wesley Harding?
    
    I went to see the The Ocean Blue and Mighty Lemon Drops last night
    and he opened the show.  Except that due to our Immigration & Natural-
    ization Service, hew couldn't do anything  except stand on stage for
    5 minutes talking.  He's sort of a funny guy.
    
    Sue

    Sue,
        I see the `work-rush' has abated a little.

    J W Harding ?? It sounds to me like he may have got his name from an
    old Blob Dylan song (if not LP title). Haven't heard anything else
    though.

    "All the news that fits!" 

    - Tim

    >>    Sue,
    >>    I see the `work-rush' has abated a little.
    
    Nope, I've kind-of said to hell with it for a wee bit, but don't
    tell anyone okay Tim?!  ;-)
    

    
    Pink Floyd!!?!!  Advertising Nurofen!!??!!

>>>    Pink Floyd!!?!!  Advertising Nurofen!!??!!

Wot?  Please explain.  Is this on TV, & what music/lineup?  What's Nurofen?

Ta muchly,
-Brian.

    Brian, at the moment there is an ad on TV for Nurofen (a pain killing
    tablet free from aspirin) which features an extract from Dark Side
    Of The Moon (well, my granpa tells me that's what it is)
    
    Bob

    Quickie - any one remember a song called 'Hold Your Head Up'?  Who sang
    it, and how did the lyric go?
    
    Mikef

    Hold your head up
    High
    Hold your head up
    High
    Hold your head high

    very witty Wilde - now who sang it?
    
    M

    It was (I think)  
    
    Rod Argent, of keyboard shop fame.
    
    Tony

There was a Velvet Underground song called `Head held high'.  A real rough
little stomper of a song.  Perhaps it's this one?

	Lee.

The lyrics weren't "Hold your head up high". 
They were "Hold your head up, woman"

It was sort of a pro women's-lib songs - lyrics such as "Don't let it get you 
down, you can take it". 

The band was Argent. Damn - Rod Argent was originally the keyboard player for 
another band that had a bit hit, but I can't think of who they were.....

Alan S.

    You can hear Rod Argent tickling the electric ivories on numerous
    hits by sixties faves the Zombies, such as 'Time of the Season',
    and 'She's Not There' (later covered by Santana). The Zombies' singer
    was Colin Blunstone, who later had a number of hits as a solo performer.
    
    Argent, the band, also featured bass-player Jim Rodford, later of
    the Kinks.                                                              
    
    Bob 'rock&roll historian' Green

    This is as good a place as any....
    
    Cramps and James on Snub-TV tonight!!
    
    
    Bob

    Well, I caught the new-look James on snub last night - the general
    on-stage antics of the audience and Tim Booth's dancing put me in
    mind of a Smiths gig, more a celebration than a performance.
    
    Question; which one of the revellers was former noter of this parish,
    Mr. B. Sturrock?
    
    bob

    I was watching thinking `Which one's Bruce?'.  I'd love to go to a
    James gig.  Looks like such a good time.  I want one of those `Come
    Home' tops, and a `James' T-Shirt.
    
    
    
    matty

    Who sang that song 'Is this Love?'.  I think it was by that guy from 
    one of the heavy metal bands but I can't for the life of me remember
    his name (David Lee Roth??) and what group does he play with (if yuo
    will excuse the expression).
    
    Also, which supergroups did Daryl Hall and John Oates come from before
    they merged together??  
    
    This questions aren't a quiz.  They have just been bugging me for a
    while and I'll go mad if I don't find out.
    
    Cheers
    
    

    
    Re. last,
    
    "Is this love ?" was David Coverdale and Whitesnake.
    As for Daryl Hall and John Oates....I've no idea.
    
    Jez

    
    re "Is this love"
                                                
    Yup, its Whitesnake, from the '1987' album.

    Did anyone see that film a few weeks ago on Channel 4 - "No limits"??.  
    I think the singer in it was Suggs out of Madness.  In the credits,
    it gave the name as Graham McPherson, I think.
    
    does anyone know what Suggs's real name is?  Was it him or was I 
    mistaken??  And if it isn't him, does anyone know what the chappies
    from Madness are doing now???  
    
    julia - I like driving in my car

    yup, that was him.  Is The Madness not a going concern now?  Madness
    are sorely missed
    
    Mikef

    I haven't heard anything from The Madness for a while now. I have
    a suspicion they are no more.
    
    Graham (Suggs) McPherson also pops up in The Tall Guy
    
    I agree with Mike, Madness are sorely missed, they were one of *the*
    great British pop bands.
    
    Bob

    A couple of them joined Voice Of The Beehive

    Discovered something odd yesterday - I've had an Adamski record on my
    bookshelf for over 10 years. Turns out Adamski was on the indie sampler
    Earcom 3 (Fast records) as one half of the "Stupid Babies", along with
    his brother. 
    
    P.S. Matty, did you know that Adamski originally wrote "Killer" when
    playing with his Yamaha PSS780 portable. 

Is Earcom  3 the one with Joy Division on it? The one I passed up at $6 (but
the songs later came out on Substance 10 years later.)

Ed

    No, that was Earcom 2. Volume 3 contained little of interest, though if
    Adamski makes it big I suppose it'll suddenly shoot up in value. Funny
    how these things happen.
    
    Dave

    Is the record any good?  I read that he was 11 when he did it!
    
    I'm gunna write killer part II tomight on my PSS680!!!
    
    
    matty

    
    Well, 1980 was a year when everybody made a record, the weirder the
    better. And John Peel played them all. The Stupid Babies record must
    have been the cheapest ever to produce.
    
    There are two tracks, both recorded, in mono, on a portable tape
    recorder in Adamski's mums dining room. I think Adamski's brother did
    the vocals, while he played on his toy guitar. The lyric's go something
    like..
    
    Babysitters Babysitters...
    Babysitters Babysitters...
    Babysitters Babysitters...
    Babysitters Babysitters...
    WE HATE BABYSITTERS!!!
    
    The other track is similar, but just cry-baby sounds instead of words.
    
    Dave

A quick note to plug the wonderful `Country Music in the World of Islam' by
Eugene Chadbourne.  Ex-Camper Van Beethoven, hippie rock wierdness.

    Can someone help?
    
    Does anyone know the name of the single that Nu Shooz (?sp)
    had in the charts about 4 years ago?
    
    Thanks in advance
    
    Mazzer
    

    Cheers Paul - That rang a bell with me too but I still wasn't
    sure.
    
    Thanks again
    Mazzer
    

    You were all talking French in 611, so I came here instead;
    
    Forthcoming releases includ a single from the Film Days Of Thunder by
    Marie `Godess' McKee.  It's an absolute stomer too.  No1, maybe.
    
    Also 808 State have a new LP due out this month, Pet Shop Boys in
    October, plus Madonna has a greatest hits LP also due that month (no
    doubt it'll have all 25 hits on it, and it'll be called Part 1!!!). 
    S-Express and 808 State/MC Tunes have new singles in the shops right
    now.
    
    Records I obtained at the weekend;
    
    these were from my sister at a cost of nowt, so I don't want anybody to
    think that I actually `like' all these records;
    
    Iron Maiden		-	The Clairvoyant 7"
    Def Leopard		-	Armageddon It 7"
    Sam Fox		-	Touch Me 7" (2nd Copy)
    Paul Young		-	Love Of The Common People 7"
    Boy Meets Girl	-	Waiting For A Star To Fall 7"
    Break Machine	-	Street Dance 7" (Yeah!!!)
    Kool And The Gang	-	Joanna 7" (Uggh)
    Whitmey Houston	-	One Moment In Time (Aggghhhhhhh!!!) 7"
    Disco Tex & Sexolettes	Get Dancin' 7" (Disco alert!!)
    Bangles		-	Manic Monday 7" (Classic)
    Falco		-	Vienna Calling 7"
    Five Star		-	Can't Wait Another Minute 7"
    Kajagoogoo		-	Lion's Mouth 7" (Haircut alert)
    Harold Faltermeyer	-	Axel F 7" (classic, but I don't like it)
    Heart		-	There's The Girl 7"
    
    I bought these while I was completely sober;
    
    The Farm		-	Groovy Train cassingle
    Primal Scream	-	Come Together remix 12"
    The High		-	Up And Down 12"
    
    These were in 2 packs of 5, ie 5 12" for a quid (from EGS in Wakefield
    BTW)
    
    The Orb		-	Orb Factor 6 12"promo (underground man)
    Tom Jones		-	Move Closer 12" (you don't have to be rich)
    Edwin Starr		-	Missiles (naff)
    Ruby Turner		-	It's Gonna Be Alright 12" (Soul alert)
    David Grant		-	Keep It Together 12" (more soul alert)
    Technotronic	-	Get Up/Pump Up The Jam remix 12" (same
    					record with different name alert)
    Technotronic	-	This Beat Is Technotronic 12"
    101	(who?)		-	Just As Long As I Goy You 12" (naff)
    Cappella		-	Push The Beat 12" (This is great 'cause
    					it's ripped off Pump Up The Volume,
    					so they're great for mixing together)
    Marina Van Rooy (que?)	Sly One 12" (naff)
    Skinny Boys		-	Set The Pace/Stylin' 12" (naff Rap)
    
    29 records for about 12 quid!
    
    matty

    Sam Fox umm!...did you get the double A side or the double Breasted
    side?

    Matty,
    
    Orb single - is it the same as the ever pulsating gren brain singlke -
    ie the Loving You tune?  if not...
    
    Mikef

    I don't really know what it is, other than it has 4 tracks, 3 of which
    all seem to be the same song, but they all have different titles which
    have nothing to do with each other.  It's not very good either, though
    I'm sure it would make it as a filler in some underground club that has
    lots of E for sale.
    
    matty

    
    re .316
    
    Oy Duck, see this box.....

    When you look back at the 80's it's obvious to see tha Samatha Fox was
    quite influencial in that she broke down the sexual barriers for people
    like Madonna, Cyndi Lauper and Benny from Crossroads.

    Matty,
    
    this thing goes back much further than the 80s. Who can forget the
    groundbreaking releases by such artists as Tina Charles or the Nolans
    in the 70s, or even earlier, Sandie Shaw and (IMO, the original and
    best breaker-down of sexual barriers) that wonderful goddess of the pop
    charts, Kathy Kirby.
    
    Bob

    When you read a Sam Fox label (Jive, home of great artists such as Terry
    Telephone and Mad Axe Mick) and you see that someone else wrote the
    song for her, you can see why.  You can imagine the writer thinking
    `Smamfa, Smamfa, ohhhh Smamfa'.  It's obvious that `Touch Me' was
    written by a writer flooded with passion for his idol, his mentor, his
    heroin (sorry her heroine).
    
    She reminds me of North Wales.
    
    
    matty
    
    ps. I have a Helen Shapiro record!

    
    No she's nothing like North Wales...
    
    
    
    Large parts of North Wales are never seen by 99% of visitors! :^)
    
    Mark

    Has anyone noticed the striking resemblence between Patrick (move those
    hips) Swayze and the lead singer from A-ha (Morten?, or Mags??).
    
    Just thought I'd share that one with you on this fine day........
    

   Haven't seen the resemblance, but I like Aha's version of Crying
   In The Rain (I've got the Everly Brothers original).

    I noticed!  Morton Horton Gorton "ver's doze chickens?" Hampstead.

    A-ha, I knew someone else would spot the difference (geddit, a-ha??)

    I have a fairly vague question and am not hopeful of an answer..
    
    I heard in a song in Our Price on the speaker as I was wandering around
    but had to rush off, and so couldn't find out what it was called.
    It was a male singer, sort of slow and the main line seemed to be 
    "I don't want to fall in love"
    
    I wondered if anyone knows what this might be.  
    
    I said it was vague...
    
    diana

    Oh thanks!  sounds like this is the place to ask even the
    vaguest of questions!
    
    will check it out.
    
    
    wicked lady...

    "The Eggplant That Ate Chicago..."
    
    A friend of mine is desperate to find out more about this.  I've
    sort of heard of it, but it isn't referenced in any of the books
    I have.
    
    Can anyone tell me...
    
    	Who sung it?
    	When?
    	Was it a hit (not in the UK according to my Guinness Book...)?
    
    
    Can anyone help?

    Thanks,
    
    Dave

    I've heard of The Aubergine that ate Rangoon...is that any use?
    
    Mikef
    

    erm, isn't this something by Spike Jones, or someone connected with
    him, like Doodles Weaver, or am I just getting tangled up in a Dr.
    Demento's timewarp?
    
    Bob

    Dr West and his Amazing Medicine Band. (Norman Greenbaum was the prime 
    member- he of Spirit in the Sky and Jubilee fame)
    
    It came from outer space,
    looking for something to eat.
    It landed in Chicago,
    it thought Chicago was sweet,
    it was sweet like sugar.
    
    You better watch out for, 
    the Eggplant that ate Chicago.
    
    Done with the appropriate kazoos, washtub bass, etc.

    I even have the album!
    (oops, did I just admit that.)
    
    Cheers,
    	George

    BRILLIANT!
    
    The depth of knowledge available across the net never ceases to
    amaze me!
    
    Thanks for the info...you have made my friend very happy!

    Dave

    Actually, before being classed as 'brilliant', I should've looked
    up the album.
    
    "Dr.West's Medicine Show and Junk Band" is the name of the group.

    Norman Greenbaum (who wrote all 10 songs), Bonnie Wallach, Evan
    Engber amd Jack Carrington were the four who generated this piece
    of psychedelia in 1966.
    
    Self-correctingly yours,
    	George

    Has anyone any background information on Olita Adams ?? nk I read
    somewhere that she was 'discovered' by the guys from Tears for Fears.
    
    Get Here When You Can has to be one of the best singles I've heard in a
    long time.
    
    	Cheers
    
    Rich
    

    (Temporary) Dylan note:

    The Bootleg collection has some gems on it. One is an old version of
    `Tangled Up In Blue'. This originally appeared on 1975's `Blood On The
    Tracks'. It's more bittersweet fallout from the breakup with ex-chum
    Sarah. Well worth a listen. Most of the `Blood' album was about their
    breakup. At the time music journos were heard to say "If he can get get
    this out of a separation - imagine what he'll get out of a real
    D-I-V-O-R-C-E!

    The next album was `Desire' and was completely different (although it
    did have a song called `Sarah').

    - Tim   (Rock History Classes - Dec Pk Canteen Wednesdays - 6.30pm).
    

    
    I know, I know .... pick up Timeout, BUT ....
    
    Does anyone know off the top 'o yer 'ed if there's anything good
    going on in London between Aug 1 and Aug 4 ??
    
    Sue

    According the review in the LA Times, the lead singer of New Fast
    Automatic Daffodils used to be a soap opera star.  Does anyone know
    which soap (Eastenders?)  and what did he do?  Was he any good?
             
    -Vicki

    Don't know about the New Fads but one of the Mock Turtles used to be in
    the Anglo/Aussie soap Families - maybe the LA Times were getting
    confused maybe not.
    
    Tim
    ---

    Here at the NLC we used to have a personnel officer who was mates with
    the bass player from the New Fads.  Wow!  Claim to fame.
    
    How come the New Fads were mentioned in the LA Times?
    
    
    matty

    >>How come the New Fads were mentioned in the LA Times?
      
    Didn't you hear about the videotaped beating of the lead singer
    by the "we're not racist pigs" LAPD?  #;-}
    
    OK, it was really a review of their Whiskey show.
    
    -Vicki

    
    Question :
    
    Just came back from my holidays in 'Kos' where a bar that Dougie Robb
    will remember played a song simply called 'LSD'. It sounds similar to
    the Farm/Ride/Monday's but can anybody identify the band for me .
    
    This enquiring mind would like to know ....
    
    
    Walker

    Sounds like "Shall we take a trip" by Northside
    
    Tim
    ---

    Lets take a trip down memory lane
    Head in the clouds into the Acid rain
    
    Northside
    
    Mikef

    Hi.I'm in the States and I saw A Clip on TV about A new Show in Europe
    called"EuroTrash".It's Creator is some Freaky_Fashion Guy who is
    Responsable for Those Cone_Shaped_Tittie_Cups that Madonna made
    Famous.The show Looked quite Wacky..Does Any_Body watch this??
    
        Crazy_USA_Al

The first run ended a couple of months ago: a new one will shown in the UK soon.

The presenter are called something like Pepe and PuPu. They are assisted by
two rubber giraffes called Jean-Paul Gaultier and Antoines de Caunes.

+Mark+

I quite like it, mainly because Antoine de Caunes doesn't get too much
of a chance to get going. He is much easier to understand if he speaks
slower!

Can't be doing too much for JPG's image!

Don't think I'll be wearing one of his skirts now!

Mark.