Conference marvin::uk_music

    Hi!!
    
    Well, I'm a great fan of Roger Waters, and not of the "new" Pink
    Floyd. I have most of the PF albums (including the new one), and
    both Roger Waters. Radio KAOS especially is superb, and it is great
    to hear Clare Torry again.
    
    I went to the Pros & Cons concert at the NEC, with Eric Clapton,
    and last November to the Radio KAOS concert at Wembley. The encore
    was a version of "The great gig in the sky" with Clare Torry. Absolute
    bliss!!
    
    Well, if you are interested, I do have the programmes for those
    concerts. I would be very interested to have a listen to the Wall
    live concerts. Are these "Kosher" albums ?
    
    Good to see a fellow Floyd fan!!
    
    Mark.

    Re. .-1
    
    If you are really into Clare Torry, you might want to try the Tangerine
    Dream album 'Le Parc', the last track of which features her doing
    her Great Gig in The Sky act.  The rest of the album is good too,
    provided you like Tangerine Dream :-)
    
    nick

    
    Pink Floyd are certainly my favourite band and have been since the
    5th Form at school when a friend introduced me to 'Animals'. Since
    then I have collected all of The Floyd's albums and enjoy listening
    to them all. 
    
    When 'The Final Cut' came out I played it three or fours times a
    day for a whole University Term since I liked it so much. Even now
    if I had to choose my favourite album it would be this one. A real
    masterpiece.
    
    What do fellow Floyd fans think of 'A Momentary Lapse of Reason'?
    
    I think it's great and it certainly grows on me each time I play
    it. 'On the turning away' has to be one of the best tracks on the
    album. Shame though that Mr Waters was not invloved ..
    
    Thought you may be interested in this :
    
    I was reading my Motor Racing Newspaper the other week and there
    was a small piece about Nick Mason and his company. Not content
    with his private collection of Ferraris and Astons he has set
    up a company which rents special cars out to movie companies,
    advertising companies etc. The company has around 700 cars now 
    which range from a pair of identical Ford Cortinas to more exotic
    racing machinery !!
    
    Anyway, when I get home tonight I must get round to watching 
    'The Wall' that I videoed last week. Seems a long time since I saw
    it last.
    
    Tony
    

    "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" is possibly the best Floyd album since
    "Wish You Were Here". It benefits greatly from Roger I'm-so-depressed
    Waters' absence. In fact, I think it reveals how much Gilmour influence
    there was even on the supposedly entirely Waters-composed Wall and
    Final Cut. No-one handles that axe like Gilmour, and his voice,
    while lacking the power and edge of Waters', has an agreeable enough
    sound (when thoroughly mixed and double-tracked :-).
    
    At first I was disappointed by Lapse, but I remembered being
    unimpressed by my first hearing of Wish You Were Here, and persevered.
    It was worth it. It lacks the quirkiness of The Wall and Final Cut,
    but makes up for it with craftsmanship and the occasional flash
    of pure inspiration ("A New Machine", for instance). "On the Turning
    Away" and the track with the sax on (its name escapes me now) are
    classics.
    
    From my hearings of Waters' last two solo albums, I'd say he's running
    perilously short of ideas. They both sound very much in the same
    style of Final Cut - plenty of angst and wailing, not much in the
    way of music. I like much of Waters' work, but I think that ever
    since the wall he's taken up contemplating his own navel far too
    much.
             

    Re. .0:
    
    Your album collection is missing:
    
    David Gilmour - David Gilmour (BPI Award for Most Imaginative Album
    Title 1979) Dreary, but the odd good bit (especially the Gilmour/Roy
    Harper joint composition Short And Sweet, a different version of
    which appears, together with Gilmour himself, on Harper's "Unknown
    Soldier").
    
    Nick Mason's Invisible Sports - a truly mediocre solo album, which
    hit the bargain bins within weeks of release. Don't bother.
    
    Zabriskie Point - The Film Soundtrack. An arty film from the early
    seventies, faturing loads of American BOFs (Grateful Dead etc.)
    AND the Floyd doing a radically reworked "Careful With That Axe
    Eugene", under the title "Come In Number 59, Your Time Is Up" (I
    think).
    
    Also a Waters/Ezrin work called "The Body", or something like that.
    Again, awful.
    
    Andy

Re -1

>    Also a Waters/Ezrin work called "The Body", or something like that.

??Ezrin?? thought it was Ron Geeson or some such.

Nigel

    It was Roger Waters and Bob Geesin - Music From The Body. I do already
    have that, although I must have forgotten it on the list. It is
    a very strange album, and I rarely listen to it. It starts out with
    a series of burps, moans, and groans, etc... I found no meaning
    to it at all.
    
    

Wasn't 'The Body' the soundtrack from the film 'The Body' which was a sort of 
documentary about 'The Body' which entailed film cameras entering every 
orifice.

In fact I've just had a thought wasn't this the film that had Richard Neville 
and a lady friend ahem.. sort of you know, nudge nudge, doing *t.

Nigel

    
    When The Wind Blows		Soundtrack from the film features 
    				Roger Waters and the Bleeding Heart Band
    				on one side with and Bowie, Squeeze,
    				Stranglers, Genesis and others doing
    				the reverse.
    
    Classic Waters if a little depressing in the subject. This was released
    about six months before Radio Kaos.
    
    Dave.

    
    Here's some personal notes on the Floyd ... could be a long on! 


    Don't really know much about the early years, except to say that
    Waters seemed to take over the mantle of leader fairly well from Syd.
    Of course, there are some that say the Floyd still need Syd's madness
    etc. to knock them into shape, but that's another story really. 

    Ummagumma - the live side didn't really add that much to the already
    recorded studio versions.  The studio stuff was interesting, but most
    of it was self-indulgent, only Waters providing regular type songs.
    Rock stardom then beckoned for the Floyd .... with 'Atom Heart
    Mother'! 

    This is actually my personal favourite album, as it was one of the
    first that I ever heard by them.  I love the first side, and 'Summer
    68' on side two really does sound like it comes right out of the late
    60's.  'If' is quite good, and Waters still plays it live to this
    day.  This was actually the album the started the projection towards
    superstardom for the Floyd - there first number 1 in the UK.  Looking
    back, it is certainly not one of their best albums, critically
    speaking.   They did play a version of this for Radio 1s IN Concert
    series, and it was pretty faithful to the original. 

    Like many bands, the Floyd went through a bland period in the early
    70's, and this trend was continued with 'Meddle'.  This album seems
    to be held in very high esteem by many fans.  I just can't see how
    this is.  The first side has one really good song on it and that's
    'One Of These Days' - the rest of side one, is the same old Floyd
    folky stuff.  'Echoes' is enjoyable, but it's over long, borrows a
    few things from 'Atom Heart Mother' and really is the brilliant work
    that a lot of people make it out to be. 

    '72 saw the 'Pompeii' film, which I've seen quite a few times and
    enjoyed.  Also came the soundtrack 'The Valley' which I heard again
    recently - some tracks are good and hark back to the 'Eugene'/'Set
    The Controls' days.  Not a monster seller I believe, but this was the
    album that actually broke them in the US, getting FM airplay.  Most
    of '72 was taken up with, what is still to this day the magnum opus
    of the Floyd, 'The Dark Side Of The Moon'. 

    It was certainly a very classy production job - done by the Floyd
    themselves; a stereo wet dream for hi-fi snobs is how I saw it
    described once.  The whole thing was premiered at the London
    Planeterium (March 1973) and became an absolute monster seller.
    Comparing the sound of this album to all previous platters, you
    hardly think it was the same bunch!!!  To many latter day fans, this
    album *is* the Floyd.  It's brilliant - there's no doubt about it,
    and critically speaking, I still think it'd their best! 

    For the rest of 73 and 74 ... well, they didn't do that much!!!  The
    Floyd have never made themselves readily available to the rock press,
    but one thing around this period is clear - they were having *real*
    trouble coming up with something to follow 'The Dark Side Of The
    Moon'.  An album containing household taped effects was started ...
    but scrapped.  Not much is know of this, but I believe it's true. 

    They then decided to tour (75 I think) and came on the road with some
    new stuff.  A bootleg of their gig at Trentham Gardens (Stoke I
    think) was mistaken by many people for the next Floyd album, and sold
    very well.  They played 'Raving and Drooling' (latter to become
    'Sheep'), 'You Gotta Be Crazy' (latter be become 'Dogs'), 'Shine On
    You Crazy Diamond', the whole of Dark Side, and encored with
    'Echoes'. I still have a very old tape of their Manchester Palace
    gig! 

    After two and a half years, the Floyd finally came up with "Wish You
    Were Here'.  Inevitably, after the huge success of it's predecessor,
    it was received rather coolly by the critics.  I like it, and many of
    the songs have become strong faves with Floyd fans.  I think it's
    part 9 of "Shine On" that's the one for me - very nearly the last
    track;  its the slow synth bit by Wright, and means only one thing to
    me - the slow, sad, demise of their once illustrious leader, Syd. The
    track suggests that he's slowly sliding away from regular life, into
    some vortex, and that there's no turning back - love it. 'Welcome To
    The Machine' is still played by Waters and that's another good one.
    With hindsight, a good album, and one I always want to play. 

    The next one (in 1977) was, for me, the most powerful album they have
    ever made.  Once again, as on Dark Side, the music possessed real
    power, the music spilling out of Water's angry lyrics - his
    distinctly jaundiced view of the human condition.  The review in
    Melody Maker at the time, even had the banner of 'Punk Floyd'.  I
    still love it.  The Floyd weren't happy with the centre page spreads
    in the music press through ... oink,oink,bark,bark,woof,woof - anyone
    remember? 

    After this, I started to leave the Floyd.  I never really sat down
    and listened to 'The Wall' in full, but I didn't really like the way
    Waters' started to speak the words, instead of sing them, on many
    tracks.  Many people latched onto them for the first time, and I know
    a lot of Floyd freaks who really like it.  To me, they change, once
    again, and I wasn't that keen.  Same goes for the 'Final Cut', which
    was hell in the studio - a Waters solo very nearly!  It's unfair to
    dismiss these two albums, as I seem to have done, but that's how I
    feel about them. 

    For the Floyd themselves, their most satisfying albums to make were
    'Dark Side Of The Moon' and 'The Wall'.  Since then, things have
    moved in different directions.  'Pros and Cons Of Hitch Hiking' was
    OK, but 'K.A.O.S' was a lot better, and the live show was very good.
    The next album could just crack it for Waters.  'A Momentary Lapse'
    is good, but for me it's another new sound, and a change of
    direction.  Things must progress I guess.   Lots more I could say, 
    but I'll stop here (thank god you all say!!!).


    So, so you think you can tell, heaven from hell ......


    David

    Great note, David!
    
    Nice to see a personal view on the Floyd albums.
    
    I started off (as most people do!) with Dark Side of the Moon. I
    absolutely loved this album, as I think it is the most complete
    "concept" album, with very few pretensions. I think that they had
    completely shaken off their 60's image. Even then, I think, Waters
    was a very strong influence.
    
    Unfortunately, I have now played the "big four" (Meddle, Dark Side of
    the Moon, Wish you were here and Animals to death). I just don't
    seem to be able to fully enjoy them any more. Still, it may just
    be the records getting old. Perhaps new copies would help!
    
    With, The Wall, I think the album was written almost with the film
    in mind. To this day, I think that no other album transfers to film
    as well as The Wall.
    
    The Final Cut, I agree, sounded like a painful album to make, but
    I think that it was the sort of break that Waters needed.
    
    I really like Pros and Cons when it came out, but I definitely think
    that Radio KAOS has superseded it on all counts. A superb album,
    I can't wait for the next one.
    
    I saw the concerts for both of the last concerts, excellent stuff.
    The amazing thing was hearing "Set the controls for the heart of
    the sun". The song was given a new lease of life.
    
    As for the early albums, I was introduced to them about 1982 in
    my 6th form days. We all listened to "Grantchester Meadows" loads
    of times, and then formed a group called "Holborn Van". Shame we
    couldn't play an instrument. I find Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother,
    and others, great albums to listen to once in a while.
    
    So, Did anyone decipher the Pict's ravings in "Several species of
    small furry animals gathered together in a cave, and grooving with
    a Pict" ??
    
    Cheers.
    
    Mark.

    
    Mark,
    
    I was hoping for a some feedback - thanx.  Lets see more views coming
    in.
    
    I think "The Wall" was their first stab at some form of a story,
    and it does have some very good songs on it.
    
    I reckon most people look at them in Phases:
    
    1. Up to UmmaGumma.
    
    2. Meddle and Atom Heart Mother.
    
    3. Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals.
    
    4. Wall and Final Cut.
    
    Fave period - 3 (except for Atom Heart Mother - I believe it was
    named after a granny who had a pacemaker!!!!).
    
    See you at Wembley!!
    
    David.
    

    
    I agree with Mark.. Floyd just isn't the same without Roger...
    they do a really good version of Echoes and a lot of the instrumental
    stuff is impressive, but Gilmour just can't sing, never mind write..
    
    Not to start an argument, just my opinion..
    
    

    In Boston, Ma. at the Museum of Science, there is a Pink FLoyd
    Laser-light show.  It is amazing!  I went last Friday, and it
    blew me away.  The laser light show is presented with the music
    of Pink FLoyd.  It is THE FLoyd experience.
    
    - Michele
    
    

    
    RE: .15
    
    Which particular Floyd tracks do they play?
    
    David.
    

    
    What dates are Floyd playing in Wembley?  Are tickets available?
    Where? 
    
    They were supposed to play in Dublin but the concert was cancelled
    much to my dismay - would love to see them with or without Waters.
    
    Angela.

    
    Friday August 5th - still available
    Sat    August 6th - sold out (prob. some tickets left with the 
    				  angencies though.)
    
    See you there ? Everyone else is going !!!!
    
    Jez ;-)
     

    
    Friday August 5th - Tix still available.
    
    Saturday August 6th - SOLD OUT.
    
    If you want tix details, I can post them here - just say the word.
          
    David.

    
    We did it - 2 NOTES in the same minute!!!!!
    
    David.
    

    re. .19
    
    Ahhh go on then. I was seeing how long I could resist without going.
    How do I get tix then ?
    
    re. .20
    
    Well done, give him a chocolate watch.
    
    Mark.
    
    Well, has anyone worked out what the Pict said on the now famous
    early Ummagumma track :
    
    Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave
    and grooving with a pict.

    
    Who on earth said that the new albumn was good and just like old
    floyd.
    
    I don't know how far back they intended to take us, but for me the
    Dark Side is far enough, and this new albumn sounds nothing like
    anything that they have done since except possible with the exception
    of the Final Cut.
    
    This is only my opinion, of which I'm intitled, but the new albumn is
    thrash.  What ever happen to the haunting spaced out guitar solos
    of old ?  The new albumn is over produced, there is basically to
    many people playing too much all at the same time.  Also, why doesn't
    sing instead of talking tunefully.
    
    I'm sorry but I really am a great fan of the Floyd, but momentary
    lapse of reason is an apt title.  I hate to see a great band (possibly
    the greatest) ruin their reputation with dross.  I will now think
    twice before I buy their next albumn (effort).
    
    Andy / dig that hole against the sun /

    
    Great!  I'm on my way....  Please post details (phone number/address)
    of where I can get the tickets for the August 5th concert.
    
    Thanks,
    Angela.
    

    RE: .22
    
    Wouldn't say "Momentary Lapse ..." was 'trash' but I would agree
    that it's not the old Floyd .... times change ya know.  I'm not
    knocked out by it, by any means, but I've heard worse.  May come
    across better live - we'll have to wait and see.
    
    David.

    RE: .21
    
    Thought ticket details were in last weeks press - can't see them
    so will post as soon as I do.
    
    David.
    

    RE: .16
    
    	Most of their radio-popular hits are played (DSoM, Animals,
    Wall, Momentary, Wish You Were Here, etc.) in booming stereo.  I 
    highly recommend it for a Floyd fan.  Get your tix in advance, they
    go fast!  
    	It really is incredible -- LASER's have come a long way.
    
    	Greg

    
    RE: .22
    
    I agree entirely that the new album is TRASH. I keep up with Roger
    Waters, and think he is doing a lot better than Dave.. He wrote
    all the songs while in the band, so what makes Gilmour think he can
    all of a sudden write something to put the Pink Floyd name on? Roger
    is the genius behind Pink Floyd. I think that he and Syd go hand
    in hand in calling themselves PINK and Roger should have the Floyd
    name now rather than Gilmour... Roger puts on an EXCELLENT live
    show, and I feel sorry for any of you who missed the Pros & Cons
    tour, for it was truly the best concert anyone has ever performed.
    Floyd may put on a decent laser/light show, but Roger has him topped
    with sound, quality, originality, videos, and everything that makes
    his concerts what they are - SUPERB!  Gilmour doesn't put on as
    good a show.. and even forgot the whole last verse to Wish You Were
    Here, which is just NOT impressive in my book..
    
    
    
    

    
    RE: .27
    
    The Floyd (in London) will have to go quite a long way to beat Roger
    Waters Wembley Arena gigs last winter - it was just brilliant, and
    better than his 'Pros and Cons' tour, although that was still very
    enjoyable.
    
    David.

    
    
    RE: .27   Strong stuff!
    
    Well, I bought the album, and whilst I don't dislike it, I hardly
    ever play it. I think it is a bit of a shame that Roger didn't have
    as much success with KAOS, as the fake Pink Floyd had. Thats what
    happens if you have a good name.
    
    I think that the new Pink Floyd album represents no progression
    whatsoever. David Gilmour seems to have zilch writing talent. He
    seems to sprinkle as many cliches into his song as the fake Genesis
    do. (Whatever makes you think I have a chip on my shoulder! ;-))
    On the turning away is quite simply AWFUL!
    
    Roger however has really progressed since The Wall and The Final
    Cut, and is showing that his next album will be really worth listening
    to. The live shows were definitely a real treat.
    
    Mark.

    Hi.. I would like to know if anyone has lyrics to any albums except
    Dark Side, Wish..., Animals, The Wall, Final Cut, Pros & Cons, and
    Radio KAOS... i'm compiling a book on the system, and want to put
    all I can into it.. any interviews, etc will also be greatly
    appreciated.
    
    Please write to me at VIDEO::Cook.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    Angela
    
    

    
    
    I once worked out Grantchester Meadows, but that was easy!
    
    Can I repeat the question, and ask if anyone has worked out what
    the Pict said in (wearily) "Several small species of furry animals
    gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict"
    
    I know the lyrics to "One of these days"!
    
    Sorry I can't be more help.

    Does anyone else out there have any LIVE recordings of The Floyd?
    I have three tapes worth, 2 1/2 are early 70's and lastly 45 min
    of the show at The Forum in Los Angeles Thanksgiving 1987.  
    One of the oldies is from the Rainbow Theatre, London I think.
    I would be interested in trading some of these.
    
    				Kevin

    
    Well, Kevin, I've got a bunch of stuff...
    
    I've got the albums Crackers, A Great Set, Ivor Wynne, Best Of Tour
    '72, Dark Side Of The Moo, Radio Wtrs, Pros & Cons from radio City
    Music Hall... just to name a few...
    
    write to me at Video::Cook...
    
    

                                                     
    Ok... So what happened? Those of you that went to Wembley, as I
    did, what did you think about it?  Here comes my personal opinion
    of the 'Was Floyd Waters?' debate:
    
    First the gig:
    
    Brilliant... Didn't miss Roger ("Roger Who?" tee-shirts in evidence)
    Production was what we have come to expect, a quote I heard, or
    read somewhere, "The Floyd stage show is what Prince wishes he could
    afford to do!" - I like that.  Even without Roger they have proved
    that the spirit of the band will go on forever.  I have to admit
    that I was VERY uncertain about "Momentary Laspe..." I listened
    to is several times before the gig, and was unsure about its
    "Floydness", but I had listened to a lot of Rogers lyrics before
    that, I am a great fan of his lyrical style, albeit depressing and
    cynical.  Back to the gig:  When they opened with "Shine on..."
    I nearly choked, (I'm just too emotional sometimes). After that
    some very entertaining stuff off (or was it all of? memory deserts
    me, short and long term these days!) "Momentary Lapse...", it was
    improved by being live and supported by the laser show - Wow! What
    a spectacle!  Ok so what did I enjoy most?  Part two of course,
    after the interval it was recent favourites until the encores, each
    sucessive one sending the crowd wilder and wilder, I had almost
    forgotten numbers, until they fired them up.
    They did most of Dark Side (Money, Us and Them, Time, Great Gig..,
    Welcome to the Machine)
    Wish you were here (WYWH, Shine on)
    The Wall (The Wall (Part 2, I think with some changes))
    Nothing earlier, NOTHING from Final Cut (significant I think)
    (Ok - Calling Dave Cohen... Who must have written the tracks down
    because he can't really have that good a memory; sorry Dave! What
    DID they do? I was so knocked out by the whole thing I was on a
    high for days, and pissed everybody off, but they did ask!
    
    Second The Album:
    
    I've already stated that I wasn't sure about Momentary Lapse, I have
    now listened to it many times and it is definately Floyd and 
    I like it now, I don't rave about it, but I don't rave about the
    Final Cut - Which was all Roger, it's different...
    but so was Dark Side and the Wall; there has to be a change of
    direction.  I miss Rogers lyrics and voice, but not to the extent
    that I thought I would, and live I didn't notice he wasn't there.
    
    All genuine Floyd fans should be grateful that there is still a
    band to listen to after the trials and tribulations of recent years
    with the aggro between Roger and the band, It concerns me that Roger
    wanted to keep the name, (Which MUST be for commercial reasons)
    His music as a solo artist dosen't NEED the Floyd name, the Pink
    Floyd is a BAND not an individual.  I know of old Floyd fans who
    said the same things when Syd went as are being said about Roger
    now - Yes it changed the band, but I think history bears out that
    it was not worse just different, and the fact that Momentary Lapse
    is not a brilliant work proves nothing, it is good enough to prove
    that the band will live on (without Roger or Syd) and is a whole
    lot better than nothing.  We now have a choice, Roger's solo work
    which is still brilliant and is invigourated by other artists
    co-operation (Eric Clapton on Pros and Cons was a real bonus!)
    and we can expect, with some confidence, that new work from the
    Floyd will be more exciting for the same reasons.
    
    Shine on...
    
    

    
    ........ you Crazy Diamond.
    
    OK, I'm back!  I'd like to welcome you, Simon, to this conference
    - hope we see more off ya.
    
    I'm surprised that you didn't get any response, but it seems to get
    harder these days to keep dicussions going.
    
    The tour - I recall the following songs:
    
    Shine On You Crazy Diamond (Parts 1 to 4)
    One Of These Days          
    Great Gig In The Sky       
    Money                      
    Time                       
    Us And Them                
    Welcome To The Machine     
    Wish You Were Here
    Another Brick In The Wall
    Run Like Hell
    Comfortably Numb
    All/most of "Momentary Lapse"
    
    As for the album, I agree that it's pretty good .... needs a fair
    bit of hearing though.
    
    As you say, they didn't miss Roger at all .... I hope this is the
    last we here about all this, as they are the Floyd, not the Floyd
    without Waters.
    
    Seeya,
    
    David.
    

    Sid Barret =  excellent
    Roger Waters = excellent
    Pink floyd w/o roger= excellent
    Pink Floyd old = excellent
    Dave Gilmour= excellent
    
    I really like them all, Looks like I can't go wrong!
    
    Steve O

    Re. 71.2
    Having been an avid fan of Pink Floyd since '69, and Tangerine Dream
    since they made it in the U.K., I go along with you on Clare Torry's
    vocals. Is there any news of the Berlin trio touring over here?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    I gather through the grapevine that we are due for a live cut
    from the Floyd around Xmas. Apparently it will consist of recordings
    from the last world tour......shame, no Animals !
    
    Anyone shed more light on this ?
    
    Cheers
    
    Jez

    
    Portions of "Animals" were played on some gigs in the last tour.

    In this country ?
    
    I have a bootleg of Fridays show and attended the Saturday show
    at Wembely......no Animals those nights.
    

    re: .40
     
    .... then what do you call a 50 foot helium filled porker ????
     
    Phil 

    Nigel Lawson?

    re. 41
    
    Quite, seemed a bit odd to me too.
    
    re. 42
    
    Looked more like Richard Branson to me ;-)
    
    Jez

    The pig came out during the playing of "One of these days.." from Meddle.

    PLS SEE NOTE 274.0 - 'COS I FORGOT TO PUT IT IN HERE !!!!!!!!
     
    PHIL

    
    
    So what about a review............

    
    Not really pertaining to recent notes - but:
    
    Why the *heck* didn't the recent live disc have the track 'One Slip'
    on it - IMHO it was the best song on MLoR and they didn't include
    it - instead I get Gilmour trying (unsucuessfully) to do Waters
    on Money and Dogs..
    
    will
    

    
    Well, as it is they left one track ("Us and Them") of the vinyl
    version, so possibly leaving out two tracks might have been a bit
    much.  Other than that, I think the MLOR reason stuff comes over
    well.
    
    David.
    

    
    
    And other point.
    
    It really bugs me that on the tape there is enough 
    room for a couple more tracks and they still didn't
    put all the songs I heard them do at Wembley on it.
    
    J
    
    They missed out "Welcome to the machine" as well. 
    
    

    Having been a fan of the Floyd for years, and having played all of their
    albums to death, it is my opinion that the recent live offering (Delicate
    Sound Of Thunder) is considerably enhanced by Waters' absence!

    Andy

    RE: -1
    
    I think Waters thought he *was* the Floyd.  It's quite clear from his
    sols albums, and from the recent Floyd gigs that he *wasn't*. Waters
    gigs *were* pretty good for my money, so perhaps we now have the
    best of both worlds.  His ego certainly seemed to cause the other
    three a problem post-"Wall".
    
    David.
    

    
    I borrowed their live album from the library, and I am really glad
    that I didn't go to see them live! What complete and utter rubbish,
    they sounded loose, bloated, and too big for their boots.
    
    Roger Waters on the other hand sounded much tighter, they didn't
    waste time with slow ponderous intros, and they did a lot more justice
    to the older Pink Floyd classic tracks.
    
    Just my tuppence worth.
    
    Cheers.
    
    Mark.

    
    
    Although I doubt very much you will note to any degree my comment
    following, I shall make it anyway Mark.
    
    You definitely missed out by not seeing them live.
    
    I went to see them at wembley AND at Werchter (Belguim) on the first
    gig of this year and words cannot describe what I saw...............          
    .....Buy the Video and see for yourself.
    

    So who else saw the 'Live from Venice' concert last Saturday night.
    Pretty impressive I thought. I'd forgotten how much I enjoy Gilmour's
    guitar work and what about that drum kit ? !!!
    
    Richard Bell

    Well, in my drunken state Saturday Night, I reluctantly admitted
    that it wasn't TOO bad. I think that Gilmour & Mason, couldn't really
    fail with the wonderful material they worked with.
    
    Still Roger Waters was better!
    
    Mark.

    Oh no! I missed it!
    
    After spending days trying to get tickets to the Docklands concert,
    and failing miserably I was lent the 'Delicate' etc etc tape to
    listen to what I'd missed.                                   
    
    Go on, tell me there was lots of good footage of Gilmour playing,
    just to really ruin my day.
    
    Stewart.

    re .-2
    
    			****WOW****
    
    Someone who has never heard Floyd before......
    
    Amazed
    Gav.
    
    p.s. Has David Attenborough been informed of this new rare species.
    
    ;-)

    Thankyou Burke (rather appropriate that) for your informative reply.
    Did I say that I had `never heard Floyd before' ? No, I didn't.
    Now, is there someone more helpful out there ?
    
    Phil.

	Some blurb for dumb donkey from smart ass

Pre 1980 releases from Floyd...


a	Piper at the gates of dawn	1967
b	Saucerful of secrets		1968
c	More				1969
d	Ummagumma			1969
e	Atom Heart mother		1970
f	Meddle				1971
g	Relics				1971/1978
h	Obscured by clouds		1972
j	Dark side of the moon		1973
k	Wish you were here		1976
l	Animals				1977
m	The wall			1979
n	Masters of Rock			1975

a+b	A nice pair			1973 - Re released together
*	Zabriskie point			1970 ) Both are soundtrack albums
*	Tonight lets all mek love	1968 ) made with other artists.

Roger waters   B V G (All
Richard Wright K V   (All
Nick Mason     D     (All
Syd Barrett    G V   (ABG
Dave Gilmour   G V   (All except A
Roy Harper     V     (K
Snowy White    G     (N
Peter wood     K     (N
Willie Wilson  D     (N
Andy Bown      B     (N
Dick Parry     Sax   (J
Lesley Duncan  V     (J
Claire Torry   V     (J
Liza Strike    V     (J
Doris Troy     V     (J
Barry St John  V     (J
Bruce Johnston V     (M
Jon Joyce      V     (M
Toni Tenille   V     (M
Stan Farber    V     (M
Joe Chemay     V     (M
Jim Haas       V     (M
Islington Green School
	       v     (M


Reproduced without permission from New Rock Record 1981 edition
    

      I thought saturday nights show was good, but perhaps not as relevant
    or 'tuned in' as when Roger was around.  I think they need his lyrical
    ability, coupled with Gilmours tunes.
    
    Mike.
    
    PS  Pity about what happened to all the real fans in the square,
    playing for a bunch of yuppies in gondolas must have been a let
    down.

    
    
    Well, I tried the secret message, for those who wish to discover
    it for themselves, don't read the rest of this note!!!
    
    
    "Congratulations on finding this hidden message, Please send entries
    to Old Pink, Care of the funny farm"
    
    At least that is what it sounded like to me!

    Hi, my name is Nick and I am an avid fan of Pink Floyd.  I have
    a lot of their stuff on CD, including Ummugumma which is great.

    I also have a cassette-tape recording of the Floyd interview on radio
    about their new album, The Wall.  If anyone is interested I could
    probably flog them a copy for the price of a couple of good tapes
    or so.  There is all the Wall music on there also as well as some
    talk about tracks which didn't quite make it onto the album.
    Very interesting stuff.
    
    Also, did anyone hear the live version of Money that they did in the
    early eighties, also broadcast on the radio?  I was round a friend's
    house at the time and only caught part of it.  I don't think it
    was ever recorded which was a shame at it was superb and featured
    a really long saxaphone part in it.
    
    Nick.

    
    
    
    If anyone is interested, there is a magazine, which I think is called
    "Record Collector" (monthly, blue-ish cover, found in WH Smiffs),
    which has a good article on Floyd live recordings this month, both
    official and unofficial.
    
    Mike.
    

    
     Hi,
      Being a rather avid fan of Pink Floyd for many years I read this
    conference with great expectations.
     But the answer to my one burning question is......
    Is there a Pink Floyd fan club in the UK, if so what are the details
    ? address, phone number etc.
    
      Alan

    
    Hi,
    
    I've been looking for a floyd fan club now for over three years.
    
    The closest I've come is a Brilliant Floyd magazine that's published
    every quarter called "Brain Damage", a guy by the name of Glenn Povey
    produces it in his spare time.
    
    If anyones interested I can give them the details, I missed the last
    one but I thinks its only $1.40 (Stirling pounds !!).
    
    
    
    
    Shine On....
    
    
    
    Kevin.
    

    
    Kevin, come in here dear boy,
    
        I would be greatful if you could post the details for obtaining
    this mag. We could then jump on the gravy train and part with the
    money for a copy..
    
     'im wiv 'is back against the wall
                                 

                                    
    
    Hi All,
    
    Firstly, I would just like to say how great it was to see some interest
    in Syd Barratt who in my mind was a complete genious. During this
    period of comebacks (Floyd, Stones, Yes, etc) it would be interesting
    to imagine how old Syd would Fare but, alas, I don't think he's up to
    it somehow.
    
    Anyway, enough of that, I've decided to start this note just to see if
    anyone has some comment to make as to their favourite Pink Floyd track
    of all time.
    
    My personal favourite is of course "Wish You Were Here" which I happily
    sang along to at the concerts in London and Belgium. For some reason I
    love "Fat Old Sun" but I'm not sure why.
    
    To be honest, I like most of the tracks they've produced, even their
    latest studio album has its moments but the thing I want to know is why
    "Welcome To The Machine" isn't on the live double album or video ???
    
    
    So what do ya think ???
    
    
    
    Shine on.......
    
                    Kevin.
                   -------
    
    
    
                          

Favourite track?  Tricky!  I guess the winner from 

		Time
		Shine on you crazy diamond
		Comfortably Numb
		Nobody Home 
		The Gunner's dream &
		The final cut 

is...

		Nobody Home


but this may have changed by next week :-)


-Brian.

    
    Brian,
    
    Confortably Numb was mind-numbingly fantastic live, though it lost a 
    little of the sparkle when dumped on the live album.
    
    It looks like you like "The Final Cut" quite a bit, I think "The
    Gunners Dream" is the best from that lot.
    
    Time's great, lyrically probably the best.
    
    
    
    Stay out of the road, if you want to grow old,
    
    Kevin.
    ------
    
                                                      

This is difficult.

As a Sixth Form student, way back in the summer of '83. Six of us started a
group called "Holborn Van" (After the roll-up tobacco of the same name)
inspired by

Grantchester Meadows

"See the lark and hearken to the barking of the dog fox,
gone to ground"

Ahhhh, those lazy summer hippy days.....

Mark.

    
    The BEST album for me has to be dark side of the moon. the music
    is so lively and cheerful, after a day at work it really cures stress.
    
     The best album cover IMHO goes to Meddle (from inside an ear looking
    out). 
    
     My "most played album" is either Dark side of the moon or Wish
    you were here, I listen to then both regularly.
    
    But I can't name 1 track that I like more than all the others because
    there are so many tracks that are excellent.
    
    
     Alan. wanting to go home, take of this uniform and leave the show.
    
    ps. A friend I knew in the music business once told me that "animals"
        was to comemorate (sp?) Syd Barrett, as he believed that animals
        could talk.

    Hi fellow Floyders
    
    "AVID" just doesn't describe it. My first album was Meddle, shortly
    followed by DSoM then Animals (swooon - oh how I love that album),
    WYWH, RELICS, WALL, Final Cut, WORKS, About Face, AMLoR and DSoT.
    
    I just never tire of the music and without wishing to sound like
    a groupie I find so very many of the sentiments echoed in their
    music both old and new that bear directly on my thoughts and
    experiences. If only I had the depth of insight to write like that
    (sigh).
    
    I have always been an ardent fan and have read all the replies to
    this note. Whilst I respect the right of others to have and indeed
    share their impressions, I was suprised by my own level of 'anger'
    at people who say PF without Roger is nothing etc. etc. I went to
    the recent Wembley concert (the first PF concert I had been privileged
    (I don't use that word lightly) to see) and it was the nearest thing
    to a religious experience I have had. I went to Docklands as well
    and was not disappointed.
    
    As a comparison of the two concerts, I think I preferred the Wembley
    on by virtue of the fact that it was held in the open air. The sense
    of space was far greater and the feeling of being swallowed up by
    the power of the music far more intense. Also at Wembley I was perhaps
    better placed for the whole experience. 
    
    The concert (and tape - DSoT) version of Comfortably Numb just left
    me a quivering mass of emotion. I have never heard a guitar cry
    quite like that before and, not for the first time after listening
    to PF, I was tempted to throw my guitar away and never again grace
    the world with the noise (by comarison) that I produce. As ever
    though sense prevailed and I still play.
    
    Musically the Floyd rule my life and I would have it no other way.
    They touch something deep within my psycie (or however you spell
    it) and remind me that my innermost thoughts are not just mine alone
    
    
    Jonathan Warburton-Brown

    
    Great stuff Jonathan !!
    
    I see you've got about "About Face", I was wondering whether you've got
    Gilmours first solo album (imaginatively called "David Gilmour") and
    perhaps Rick Wrights solo effort "Wet Dream". I as of yet have been
    unable to get "Wet Dream" anywhere, apparantly it's quite Floydy in
    some respects with a couple of the tracks that sound WYWH-ish.
    
    How about bootlegs, I've managed to get :-
    
     * Floyd live at the Paris Theatre 1971 (Lots of Atom Heart played aswell
       as a brilliant Embryo, Careful with that..., Green is the colour...)
    
     * Floyd playing DSOTM live (fantastic) - 1974
    
     * Floyd doing most of WYWH live and a rather unusual recording of the
       Animals album live with most of the lyrics different (they were 
       re-written when the album was cut).
    
     * A couple of Studio demos, One of these days and Time (that's really
       freaky)
    
     * A full recording of Floyds first comeback gig at Ottawa back in Oct
       1987.
    
     * Loads of Syd Barratt outtakes some of which are just fantastic.
    
    
    Well, there you go. The quality of some of these leaves a little to be
    desired but I wouldn't part with them for the world. 
    
    I also saw them at Wembley (the Saturday gig back in Aug 1988), the
    only thing that perhaps they should have done was wait until it got
    dark before playing the first set of songs. When I saw them play in
    Belgium at easter they didn't start until 9:00pm which meant that the
    light show was unfeasibly good fron start to finish.
    
    I'm afraid I've got some work to do now, shall add some more later...
    
    
    
    Shine on.....
    
    
    
    Kevin.
    ------
                                                                   

    I've been working lates all this week so I've had time to look round
    some of the finer notes. I have be a fan of floyd for "years absolute
    years, over the ages". I have most of floyd's albums with a few
    exception being a nice pair,more. I was supprised to see someone list
    relics in thier collection , I thought that was a cheepy sold in the 
    uk, needless to say I too have that in my collection. There's some
    wonderfull tracks like intersella overdrive and more importantly Arnold
    lane ( Some how think the spellings wrong, don't know why).
    
    I would go along with some of the comments made that the new Pink Floyd
    are not as good as the 'old Pink Floyd'. That is to say that I'm not
    sure that I like newer material like 'momentary lapse of reason' is as
    good as say ,something as old as 'Atom Heart Mother'. The style has
    changed and the music to some extent with it, maybe its just age.
    
    The first album I heard of floyd was 'meddle', brilliant, from there on
    in I have been buying floyd albums as and when. I'm not really a concert
    person although I tried to go to the Animals concert at Wembley way
    back when, but the ticket that was supposed to be reserved wasn't. I
    have never really got into the history of Floyd, I just love the music,
    I could sit and listen to it all day. For anybody intrested here's a
    list of the albums I have. Hopefully in order of age.
    
    Relics
    Umugumma
    Aton Heart Mother
    Meddle
    Dark side of the moon (lp/cd)
    Wish you were here
    Animals
    The Wall
    A collection of classic dance music ( thinks )
    The Final Cut
    Momentary lapse of reason
    A delicate sound of thunder
    
    I have the sheet music for Dark side, Animals and The wall.
    
    The albums I don't have are :
    
    More
    obscured by clouds
    piper at the gates       }    Nice pair
    saucer full of secrets   }
    
    
    Are there any more , other than imports , that are still available,
    also baring in mind a may have miss one in my list. That is the second
    biggest collection by 1 band I have , my ,dare I say it Queen
    collection is bigger if you count a 14 album box set individually.
    
    
    
    Ticking away the hours that make up a dull day
    
    
    	Garry
    

    Yeah,
    
    It's all great stuff. Apparently Q Magazine are talking about a "Pink
    Floyd" performance of "The Wall" at Berlin.
    
    However, this Pink Floyd consist of Roger Waters and Session Musicians.
    
    Does this mean he's got the name back?
    
    I must admit I wouldn't relish the idea of a Gilmour/Mason Pink Floyd
    ruining The Wall.
    
    Mark.

     RE: .-1
          
>        I must admit I wouldn't relish the idea of a Gilmour/Mason Pink Floyd
>    ruining The Wall.
 
    Whaaaattttt? The BEST bits of the Wall are down to Dave Gilmour;
    the guitar solos on Comfortably Numb, Another Brick in the Wall
    Part II,Young Lust!
    
    

>>>    Whaaaattttt? The BEST bits of the Wall are down to Dave Gilmour;

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttt????????????????                       :-)

	Could Gilmour sing or write like Waters?  Lets face it, Waters created
The Wall. It's not the music that makes it great, it's the ideas & the
intensity of the emotion (and the depression and the madness and ...).  Waters
wrote EVERY song on the album (did Ezrin & Gilmour help on one? I think so).

	Gilmour is and essential part of The Wall, but only in that his music
complements Waters spewing out his soul.  Yes, I like guitar solos (esp CN),
but it's the lyrics & voice that make the album stand out (for me).  On the 
other, hand I wouldn't like to meet Waters in a dark alley :-)

-Brian.

    
    I don't think Waters got the FLOYD name back. In all the national
    papers advertising his concerts in Berlin have billed it as "Roger
    Waters - The Wall" - I'm sure he'd use the Floyd name if he could !!
    ('cos he's bound to get $$$$$$$'s more)
    
    Wouldn't it be great if they all forgot the past and did the concert
    togther - now that would really be something.
    
    Oh well....
    
    
    Shine on..
    
    Kevin.
    ~~~~~~
    
    

    Hi,
    
    	So who watched "The Wall" live in Berlin last night. Unfortunatly
    it clashed with another program but it seemed to on quite a few
    channels. Nevertheless I recorded it off channel 4. I discovered it on
    3SAT ( a german speaking saterlite channel ) so I watched about 1/2
    hour. I have no idea who was playing  what with the exception of Roger
    Waters but I did see who ever playing 'YOUNG LUST' . That sounded
    brilliant even if I personally didn't go much on the voice of the guy
    singing it.  What I saw was good , it seemed to pop up all over place
    later on MTV and I think SKY news. 
    
    what say everyone else???
    
    
    Garry
    
    

>> Waters but I did see who ever playing 'YOUNG LUST' . That sounded
					  ^^^^^^^^^^

do you mean Money Lust?
I think that was Bryan Adams but i'm not sure


...art

    Unless they've changed the name of the song , it was called Young lust
    on my copy of the wall. 
    
    Are we talking about the same song??????
    
    
    Garry

the one that goes "Oooooh I need a dirty woman..." ?

sure thats called money lust (it is on my copy of the album), 
however
1) the order of a couple of tracks on mine differ from the sleeve notes,
2) a couple of listed songs don't appear on the record
3) some songs on the record aren't listed on the sleeve

i've also seen three different sets of sleeve notes for "The Wall"!?

...art

    
    Yes, there were quite a few different sleeves for the album.
    
    One such sleeve has the lyrics for the song which was played just
    before "Young Lust" (called "What shall we do now " ?), but that's
    missed off the album.
    
    I thought the concert was good, but it's a shame about :-
    
    1) The P.A. system cocking up a bit.
    2) Some people forgetting how the songs went (well it probably wasn't
       rehearsed that much)
    3) Some songs missed out altogether ! (what happend to "Thin Ice" at
       the beginning - something went wrong)
    4) Some of the singing was appalling (e.g. Van Morrison doing a
       Mr.Gilmour impression - comfortably naff)
    
    Still, it was for charity and on the whole a great event.
    
    K.
    ~~
    
    

    Some of the singing was ABYSMAL.  Van Morrison, however, was a beacon
    in a sea of mediocrity.  Those two guys backing Skinead o'Connor should
    be shot!
    
    The pushing down of the wall was spectacular tho'.  But, all in all, I
    don't think the show was as hot as the Earls Court shows (back in 80,
    if anyone else is old enough to remember those). 
    
    Mikef

    re: last few.
    
    
    	I thought there had to be a simple answer. My album copy of the
    wall does infact list the songs as:
    
    	What shall we do now
    
           	then
    
    	      Young Lust.
    
    
    Without checking the concert on saturday also played then in that order
    but did not have the link as per the record. 
    
    	Glad to see no one is going mad.
    
    
    	Garry
    
    
    

    Well, I videoed it too (and watched it at the same time 8^) and I am
    glad I didn't shell out the bucks to go and see it live... I think I
    would have been disappointed. Before you threaten to stone me to death
    read my review...
    
    Having said that, I did not realise up front that it was a BAND-AID
    style celebrity do and perhaps the televising of it just failed to
    capture what I can only imagine to be a fantastic atmosphere. A
    spectacle it most certainly was, the sheer scale of the event hard to
    grasp unless you were there. But somehow, to me, it was slightly
    sacreligious to put such a masterpiece as The Wall through the shredder
    [even in front of friends ;-)  ] by letting so many different 'talents'
    loose on it.
    
    Waters was great, if a little shaky at times and got better as things
    progressed, and Brian Adams (Young Lust... that's what I think its
    called) did a really good job.
    
    Sinead O'connor was also good but her backing vocalists were rubbish.
    Cyndi Lauper (AB in the W) tried way too hard, but has to be forgiven
    because it was the opening number.
    
    There were many other artists doing there respective parts, some
    tuneful, some bordering on painful, but it all culminated in The Trial
    which...
    
    ...in all my years of judging I have never heard before 
       a judge who was quite so dozey or perhaps he was just plain bored...
    
    whatever it was, that masterful track, the crux of the whole album, was
    weak and in my eyes a dismal letdown.
    
    
    Yes, the wall coming down was well impressive !!!!
    
    If ever there was someone who loves PF's music it is me, and I have said
    my piece. It was a spectacle on a grand scale and I AM SURE lost
    something in the televising. It was a great occasion to remember a
    great occurence in history, but as a musical show it fell short of my
    expectations.
    
    Oh yes, oh yes, let the whole Floyd and nothing but the Floyd regroup
    with past diferences behind them, let the music ring out and once more
    bring that soul wrenching bitter/sweet perfection to the ears of the
    many fans. I will be there.
    
    
    Jonathan
    
    
                

Re .90
    Some of the singing was ABYSMAL.  Van Morrison, however, was a beacon
    in a sea of mediocrity.  Those two guys backing Skinead o'Connor should
    be shot!

Re .92
    Sinead O'connor was also good but her backing vocalists were rubbish.

Those guys were 2/5 of the Band. Levon Helm has a beard, Rick Danko doesn't.
Garth Hudson was playing piano accordion in the background. Robbie Robertson 
doesn't play with them anymore (neither does Richard Manuel RIP).

I guess those soulful folksy harmonies don't really make it in a completely
different style of music. I must say I was astonished to see them there. 

My twopenn'orth : Pretty damned good although obviously an awful lot of the
scale of the performance was lost on TV (e.g. an 8 inch high Wall) but the
playing was pretty damned fine. I certainly missed Dave Gilmour's guitar
especially on 'Comfortably Numb' there is no substitute for the real thing and
Gilmour's tone and style is unmistakable. I suspect that we could actually see
on the TV far more than many stood at the back in Berlin but then again we
missed out on the vibes (man). I am sure that I shall be watching/listening to
this again in the future. 


Nigel

    There were a lot of complaints from peeps at the shows, and a lot left
    early.  Poor sound and visibility were the main complaints
    
    I thought the whole thing was a pathetic version of aome wonderfull
    music.  The 80 shows were miles better.
    
    Mikef

I saw the last bits. I didn't mind not having David Gilmour there, but then
I saw Roger Waters playing PF stuff with Eric Clapton! (Superb solo with
Money). I would have loved to see the originals, come to think of it, I'm not
sure why I didn't

Mark.

P.S.

RE: 71.94
>>The 80 shows were miles better.

Presumably 79 times wasn't quite enough for you! (Green with envy)

    RE: the actual TV showing of the wall,
    
    Remember about a year ago, when Floyd live in Venice was on TV. That
    too, suffered from the terrible filming from the TV company (my friend
    seen it on SKY, and said that it was much metter than on Ch 4, I don't
    know, as I haven't seen it yet).
    
    Anyway, back to Venice, many of you out there have seen Floyd live
    (myself only once, at Knebworth - bad luck stopped me seeing them
    before that) and who could honestly say that the Venice concert on TV
    captured all the athmosphere and 'Vibe' of a PF concert ? not me I can
    tell you, the filming was abysmal, OK, it was not a professional video,
    granted, but whatever, it still lacked that vital something.
    
    The DSOT video IS a professional vid, and that does capture Floyd
    better than Venice, but still, Video will never be able to copy the
    magic of Floyd. Also I heard (not sure how genuine) that the Knebworth
    show is being shown on the ITV network on monday 6th August (seems a
    good date, as that is when the Knebworth record comed out), so get
    those video's set up....
    
    
    	That's just my two penneth, but overall, I was not impressed with
    the show, but still I wasn't there to see it for real.
    
    		Andy.
    

    I have resently bought a copy of RADIO KAOS. Untill reading this note I
    must confess I had never heard of it. I have played the disk load's of
    times, It's brilliant. Now thats what I call Pink floyd , in someways
    it reminds me of Dark side . 
    
    	I like the billy character, I have the machine and software that
    generated him.
    
    Garry

    Has anyone noticed, on the Wall (It's definitely on the LP and it
    should be on the cassette and CD), that right at the very start, before
    the music, there is a voice ???
    
    and right at the end of the album, there is a voice ??
    
    and (this is the groovy bit)... if you put the
    (voice at the end of the album) before the (voice at the start of the 
    album)...
    
    ...still with me ?
    
    
    you get the message 'Isn't this where we came in?' Very profound...
    
    Now, I have noticed that there is one on Radio KAOS, but I cannot
    figure it out, I wondered if anyone has (if you have a sampler it
    would be easy to do).
    
    
    			Racking his brain,
    
    				Andy.
    			
    

    I've got the plastic  the wall but only the cd of kaos. On the wall
    is it both discs or just one?? Anyway I have some studio cans that to
    coin a phrase " could hear an ant fart" , so I'll have a listen. I'll 
    let you know. 
    
    Garry 
    
    

    At last, an answer...!!
    
    Garry,
    
    I'll try to explain with a little piccy (by the way, it is the studio
    recording of the wall, not the Berlin concert - just so you don't go
    looking for a nonexistant needle in a haystack !!)
    
    	The wall (I have the record)...
    
    Disc1, side1 |-'ere we came in'-------------------------------|
    Disc1, side2 |------------------------------------------------|
    Disc2, side1 |------------------------------------------------|
    Disc2, side2 |---------------------------------'Isn't this wh'|
    	
    Radio KAOS (I've got the tape, but I'd suppose it'd be on the CD too)
    
    Side 1 |-'rfle gloop' <morse code>-<Jim's intro>-----------|
    Side 2 |----------------------------<morse code>-'arfle ba'|   
    
    	Does that help ??
    
    					Andy
    
    PS I'd love to find out what the morse code says....

    Andy,
        try Peter Parry in SBP, last week he wrote a morse code
       converter program for some strange reason....
    
       ....mindyou you would have to send him the beep beep dash dash bit.
    
    
    
         

    
    I hate to disagree with Andy - but I thought the wall message was :-
    
    
    Beginning of side one "...When we came in... <music starts>..."
    End of side two       "...Somebody spoke...  <end of record>"
    
    Thus, you kind of get a link between the end and start of the whole
    thing. 
    
    I've just looked in a fanzine which confirms this - but I could be
    wrong.
    
    As for the RADIO KAOS - I'll have to go off and play it again.
    
    
    
    Kevin.
    ~~~~~~
    
    
    PS - I've just got The Wall CD out - I'm convinced I'm right now.

    I eventually got round to listening to the quite bits. I won't argue
    with the offer in .102 ,as for kaos it sounds something like 'finish 
    here' but it is none too clear. Any better offers.
    
    
    Garry

    Did anybody see/hear The Wall at the Empire Leicester Square during its
    first run? What did you think? 
    
    Russell

    Re - The Wall, 21st July 1990 (Berlin)
    
    Well, it may have taken a year for me to reply, but I thought I would
    anyway.
    
    I made the trip to see the concert - in the flesh so to speak.
    
    I also saw the video when I got back.
    
    From the video, I would have said 'ok, but not worth the money'.
    However, being there was something else. The cameras didn't pick up the
    atmosphere (?) - which obviously added to the experience.
    
    Not much point in reliving every detail now - but it was definitely
    worth the money.
    
    Andy

    Hi my names Rick and although i'm not a greatlover off floyd  I have a
    guitar which i have aquired , which used to belong to Roger   Waters.
              

    
    
    Did anyone see a TV programme over Christmas which showed some
    car rally which took place in South America (I think).
    
    They followed David Gilmour and Nick Mason as they were racing,
    and all the music on the hour long programme was done by Floyd.
    
    The thing is, some of the music was unreleased stuff...there was a
    really good blues type jam over the closing credits.
    
    Has anyone got this on video...I'd love to get the soundtrack onto 
    cassette tape.
    
    Can anyone help ?
    
    
    Kevin.
    ~~~~~~   
    

    Hello everyone. My name is Rupert and i am new to this conference, in
    fact all conferences. I am a Roger Waters fan and believe that the
    present Pink Floyd is nothing compared to the group that was in the
    1970s and early 80s. I am "one of the few" who actually likes The Final
    Cut and believe that it was some of Rogers best work to date. I hated A
    Momentary Lapse of Reason because it simply wasn't Pink Floyd.
    
    RE:.107 You can buy the video of this at all good stores. It is called
    Las Carreras Panamericanas. I have not bought it as i believe it is
    just a complete marketing ploy.
    
    I have heard that Roger is bringing out a new singlw in the second week
    of August and is then due to release the new album "Amused To Death" by
    the end of August or early September. Unofficial reports from Brain
    Damage are extremely encouraging with one of the quotes being "The
    first thirty seconds of the album will blow your mind"
    
    I believe this, and believe that this album will prove that Roger is
    and was the individual that was responsible for the majority of the
    success that Pink Floyd have enjoyed.
    
    Unofficial reports from Our Price report that the Floyd (if that's what
    you can call them) are due to release their farewell album and to do a
    farewell tour. Can anyone back this claim up?
    
    That is all the news i have but i will post up any more news as i hear
    it.
    
    Regards,
    
    Rupert   (8* ) 

    New Waters Single "What God wants, God Gets" backed by "Monkey
    Telivision" is out on Monday.
    
    Rupert. (8* ))))))))

    Looks like next week now!
    
    Rupert.

    
    I saw an add on MTV last night that was just maybee 4 seconds of a
    black screen with white text saying "What God wants, God gets". There
    was no sound just the one screen of text. I thought it was odd then but
    at least I know what it is advertising now.
    
    Does anyone know when it is to be released??
    
        expectantly
    
		Anu

    please see last note in the music conference on the single and my views
    of it. The note number is 48.103 i think.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rupert.

    I just returned from the good old HMV store in oxford st . I 've just
    purchased a new Roger Waters CD , Amused to death.  It's dated 1992.
    Not listened to it yet anyone got it?? If I listen to it before a
    there's a reply I post a review.
    
    
    
    Garry

The new album came out on Monday.

The Music conference has a brief review of it, but here are my present 
feelings about the album.

Amused To Death is by far Rogers best solo piece that he has done. I 
would even go as far as to say that it is as good as, if not better, than 
much of the stuff he did with the Floyd. The album is about 72 minutes 
long,(it's good to see an artist use the cd compatability for long 
records to the full) The album comprises of 14 Tracks, all of them pretty 
impressive. The album deals with many topical issues such as religion 
(especially in the USA), Tiannaman square, The Gulf war and the medium of 
television. The lyrics are in typical waters semi-scathing way, although 
he does seem to have calmed down sufficiently so that he is not shouting 
and screaming constantly.

Musicians that appear on the album include :- Jeff Beck, Don Henley 
(brilliant duet on Watching TV), PP Arnold and Rita Coolridge. (Also the 
late Jeff Porcero)

Influences for the album IMHO include :- The pros and Cons..., The final 
Cut, The Wall, DSOTM (a bit), definately Pat Leonard on Keyboards and in 
parts Roy Harper and David Gilmour (although i hate to admit it!!)

It rates as one of my favourite albums to date, and IMHO makes Momentary 
Lapse shake in its' boots. Roger has, against the odds (critics odds that 
is) produced a brilliant album in all respects. Naturally state of the 
art sound effects were used in the form of Qsound, and there is far more 
musical content to be found in the album than in Pros and Cons (not 
difficult) and Radio KAOS.

I would un-reservidly recommend this album to anyone thinking of buying 
it. And i really think it shows that Roger does not need the "Floyd" to 
help him recapture the brillance that has won him so many fans.

Of course, this is totally IMO,

Rupert.

    
    On the strenght of that reply I can't wait to get home and listen to
    it. Some of the Roger waters and someone stuff I have listened to has been 
    total crap!!!. Music from the body IMO is total and utter, but I really 
    like radio Kaos. I was a little aprehensive about buying it , maybe not
    so now. 
    
    Thanks for the reply Rupert, I'll add my comments later.
    
    
    
    Garry
     

In fairness, i don't think that Music from The Body was meant to be a 
good album. It was made for a documentary about the body, in which Roger 
narrates one scene. If you look at the credits, it seems that the only 
half decent songs (breathe, give birth to a smile etc..) on the album were  
written by Roger and in fact Ron Geesin is to blame for the crapness of 
the album.

Rupert

    
    Ok , I'll accept that. The album is not one that I would sit and listen
    to many times over, I personally dislike it a great deal.
    
     Anyway back the reason I put a note in yesterday. I listened to 
    Amused to death last night, It was good, it reminded me of just about
    every Roger Waters/Pink floyd album I have ever heard. I wouldn't say
    it's fantastic, I'll have to listen to it a few more times, but
    certainly worth a listen.
    
    Garry
    

Yup, definately DO listen to it again. It takes a few times to take the 
whole album in. I appreciated it the first time i heard it, but it gives 
me more pleasure every time i listen to it. The album itself is quite 
huge with so much going on, a bit similar to previous Floyd albums 
(Waters Floyd that is) and it takes a while to learn just a few of the 
lyrics. Musically it is so much stronger than anything he has done solo, 
and i really do think it represents a return to form.

After a first listen, what are your favourite tracks??

Rupert. 

    Bought the album on Saturday. Very good, in places brilliant. Except
    for `What God Wants', which I don't think fits in well with the rest of
    the album, musically, and aside from which I think this particular
    song is rubbish. Best song for me is the opener - `The Ballad of Bill
    Hubbard'. The album is full of `Floydian slips' - if you like Pink
    Floyd (pre-Momnetary Lapse), you'll like this album.
    
    Phil Gill.
    
    P.S. Qsound doesn't seem to make much difference.

    I haven't sat and listened to it yet without doing something else in
    between. I sort of listened to it again yesterday whilst edit a video.
    I still can't say I have #1 track but I'm noticing bit from other
    albums more. I have noticed in one or two places simularities with
    radio Kaos. I think is is What God Wants uses that same car sound that
    is uses in kaos and there are other bit that remind me of kaos. I'm
    getting to like it more....
    
    
    
    Garry

    I'm trying to get a copy of the new 20th anniversary edition
    of "Dark Side of the Moon" (aaahhhh the memories!)
    
    Does anyone know if it has been released on 8 track cartridge?
    
    sam

    There was a rumour in "music" I think that P.F. were making a final
    final album and were going to do a tour - anyone heard anything?
    
    
    
    					stuart

    Is that like a Who 'final' tour or a Frank Sinatra 'Final' tour : Final
    until the next one.
    
    Yours,
    
    Pessimistic of Solent

    Q Magazine's cover celebrates the 20th anniversary of "Dark Side Of
    The Moon", so maybe there are details inside.  VOX magazine also has
    an article, but as their cover talks about the "25th anniversary", I
    wouldn't rely on any accuracy!
    
    sam

    Someone was listening to Danny Baker this morning... :^)
    
    Debs.

    I've got the 20th anniversary edition on CD. It was cheaper than the
    normal version sitting next to it on the shelf in Virgin. Apart 
    from the cosmetic changes it looks the same to me. Haven't had time to
    play it yet.
    
    God it makes me feel old, I remember that in the album charts.
    
    
    	Garry

    Well you're definatley older then me - and I'm starting to feel
    middle-aged! When I was young I remember thinking to myself "when I'm
    past 21 I will be a dull,boring and depressed old man - but I think
    I'll give it a few more years yet.
    Especially if Pink Floyd are going to tour - that's something I've got
    to see "afore ye go".
    
    				Stuart.
    

    
>     God it makes me feel old, I remember that in the album charts.
    
    Actually, you don't have to be all that old  - it was in the UK charts
    for several years, and may not have even left the US charts yet !
    
    Trevor

>    Actually, you don't have to be all that old  - it was in the UK charts
>    for several years, and may not have even left the US charts yet !

It has spent periods out of the Billboard 200, but with 720 weeks *on* the
charts, higher than the previous record holder (a Johnny Mathis album) by 250 
weeks, it is impossible for any album released after 1979 to have had a chance of
beating the record yet! (I've been reading Q).

+Mark+

    
    
    Incidently, the 20th edition release of DSOTM is a 'remastered'
    version, as released within the 'Shine On' boxed set. Thus, you paid
    less than the normal rate AND the quality should be better too !
    
    I've heard rumours of a final album/tour too...probably starting
    in late Autumn if they've only starting to lay tracks down at the
    beginning of this year.
    
    watch this space...
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    
    Sam,
    
    Yes, the remastered version is CD only - I'm not sure if the difference
    would be significantly more between a Normal tape V's remastered tape.
    
    Kevin.
    
    

Well i'm just hoping that all this action will kick Roger into touring. 
Rumours are that he WILL tour with Amused to Death but NOT with Jeff Beck.

Any other rumours?

Rupert 

    
    Any news of the world tour announced for next year ??
    
    Have the papers reported anything ?
    
    k.
    

    
    	A friend called in the other night to say that a world tour had
    been announced - don't know where he got that from - supposedley they
    will be using a gigantic amount of lighting thier biggest yet.
    
    
    
    					Stuart

    I think some firms are already advertising trips to Europe to see them.
    
    Mikef

    	My friend heard it on Radio1 so - it must be true?
    100 sounds like a good deal - was expecting the tix to be extortionate
    50 quid or something - waited for this for years now.

         
        Hi fellow floydies...
    I just picked up tickets to see Pink Floyd in Toronto on July 5, 1994.
    I read in a local newspaper here in Ottawa that the touring band 
    will need special authority from the U.S. Defence Dept. because of 
    their High Tech laser show.  Apparently, the lasers Pink Floyd are
    using for their dramatic stage effect are the same lasers used to 
    create plutonium.  Obviously, this isn't the intended use of these
    lasers.
    
        Pink Floyd's newest album is called :
                          
                       "Awaken to the Sense of Reality"
    
       
    
        Anyway, this is the latest hype on Floyd and let me tell you
    I myself CANNOT wait for July!!!
    
    
    Just freaking,
    
    Blair

    >>    Pink Floyd's newest album is called :
    >>                      
    >>                   "Awaken to the Sense of Reality"
    
      
    Any idea when it's being released ?

    
    
         Another concert is scheduled for Toronto on July 6/94.
    Present status is unknown.
    
    b.s.

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Subject: Pink Floyd Tour Dates 1994. Here they are....  (well, the know ones!)
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To be announced (info taken from rumours on the PF mailinglist) :
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??? ??  USA:Alabama (?)    - Birmingham   - Legion Field
??? ??  USA:Ohio           - Cleveland    - Cleveland Municipal Stadium
??? ??  USA:Colorado       - Denver       - Mile High Stadium
??? ??  USA:Connecticut    - New Haven    - Yale Bowl
??? ??  USA:Florida        - Orlando      - Citrus Bowl
??? ??  USA:Florida        - Tampa        - Tampa Stadium
??? ??  USA:Georgia        - Atlanta      - Bobby Dodd Stadium (GA Tech)
??? ??  USA:Illinois       - Chicago      - Soldiers Field
??? ??  USA:Indianapolis   - Indianapolis - Hoosier Dome
??? ??  USA:Iowa           - Ames         - Cyclone Stadium (ISU)
??? ??  USA:Louisiana (?)  - New Orleans  - Louisiana Superdome
??? ??  USA:Missouri       - Kansas City  - Arrowhead Stadium
??? ??  USA:Missouri       - St. Louis    - Busch Stadium
??? ??  USA:NO (?)         - New Orleans  - Superdome
??? ??  USA:North Carolina - Raleigh      - Carter Finley Stadium (NCSU ?)
??? ??  USA:Pennsylvania   - Pittsburgh   - Three Rivers Stadium
??? ??  USA:South Carolina - Clemson      - Death Valley Stadium
??? ??  USA:Tennessee (?)  - Nashville    - Vanderbilt
??? ??  USA:Washington     - Seattle      - ??
??? ??  USA:Washington     - Wash. D.C.   - RFK Stadium (?)              52K ?
??? ??  USA:Wisconsin      - East Troy    - Alpine Valley
??? ??  USA:MI (?)         - Detroit      - Pontiac Silverdome             70K

??? ??  CAN:British Columbia - Vancouver  - British Columbia Palace Stadium
??? ??  CAN:??             - Edmonton     - Commonwealth
??? ??  CAN:??             - Winnipeg     - ??
??? ??  CAN:??             - Montreal     - Olympic Stadium


Canadian and North/Central American tour dates:
===============================================

MARCH '94:
----------
Wed 30 *USA:Florida        - Miami        - Joe Robbie Stadium        *Feb  5*


APRIL '94:
---------
Sun  3  USA:Texas          - San Antonio  - AlamoDome                 *Feb 12*
Tue  5  USA:Texas          - Houston      - Rice Stadium              *Feb 12*
Sat  9 *Mexico             - Mexico City  - Autodromo Hnos. Rodriguez  60K-70K
Sun 10 *<same>
Thu 14  USA:California     - San Diego    - Stadium Jack Murphy       *Feb 12*
Sat 16  USA:California     - Pasadena     - Rose Bowl                 *Feb 12*
Mon 18  USA:Nevada         - Las Vegas    - Silver Bowl               *Feb 12*
Thu 21  USA:California     - Oakland      - Alameda Oakland Coliseum  *Feb 13*
Sun 24  USA:Arizona        - Phoenix      - Sun Devil Stadium         *Feb 12*
Tue 26  USA:Texas          - El Paso      - Sun Bowl                  *Feb 12*
Fri 29 ?USA:Texas          - Dallas       - Texas Stadium             *Feb 12*
                                         or Arlington Stadium


MAY '94:
--------
Thu 19  USA:Massachusetts  - Foxboro (?)  - Foxboro Stadium                45K
Fri 20  USA:<same>
Sat 20  USA:<same>
Sun 29  USA:Ohio           - Columbus     - O.S.U. Stadium OSU)


JUNE '94:
---------
Wed  1  <reserved, see below>
Thu  2 *USA:Pennsylvania   - Philadelphia - Veteran's Stadium      *Feb 5* 55K
Fri  3  <same>
Sat  4  <reserved, see above>
Mon  6  USA:New York       - Syracuse     - Carrier Dome
Fri 10  USA:New York       - New York City- Yankee Stadium            *Feb 12*
Sat 11  <same>
Sun 12  <same>
Sun 26  U.K.               - Knebworth    - Knebworth Park

JULY '94: 
---------
Fri 22  Portugal       - Lisbon       - Estadio Jose Alvalade
Wed 27  Spain          - Barcelona    - Estadio Olimpic
Fri 29  France         - Paris        - Chateau de Chantilly
Sat 30  <same>


AUGUST '94:
-----------   
Tue  2  Germany        - Cologne      - Muengersdorfer Stadion
Thu  4  Germany        - Munich       - Olympic Stadium
Sat  6 *Switzerland    - Basel        - St. Jakob Stadion
Sun  7 *Switzerland    - Basel        - St. Jakob Stadion
Tue  9  France         - Montpellier  - Amphitheatre du Chateau de Grammont   
Thu 11  France         - Bordeaux     - Esplanade des Quinconces
Sat 13  Germany        - Hockenheim   - Hockenheim Ring
Mon 15 %Belgium        - Werchter     - Festival Ground
Fri 19  Austria        - Vienna       - Lufthafen Wiener Neustadt
Sun 21  Germany        - Berlin       - Maifeld
Tue 23  Germany        - Hannover     - Niedersachsenstadion
Thu 25  Denmark        - Copenhagen   - Parken (formerly: Idraetsparken)
Sat 27 *Sweden         - Gothenburg   - (Nya) Ullevi (Stadion)    *Dec  6* 45K
Mon 29 *Norway         - Oslo         - Valle Hovin Stadion       *Dec  4* 35K


SEPTEMBER '94:
--------------
Thu  1 #Finland        - Helsinki     - Olympiastadion                     42K
Sat  3  The Netherlands- Rotterdam    - Feyenoord Stadion (De Kuip)   *Feb 26*
Sun  4 *<same>                                                    *Jan 21* 45K
Mon  5 *<same>                                                    *Jan 21*
Wed  7  CSR (Czech Rep)- Prague       - Stadion Praha Strahov           100K ?
Fri  9  France         - Strassbourg  - Stade de la Meinau
Sun 11  France         - Lyon         - Stade du Gerland
Tue 13  Italy          - Turin        - Stadio delle Alpi
Thu 15  Italy          - Udine        - Stadio Friuli
Sat 17  Italy          - Modena       - Festa Nazionale del Unita
Mon 19 ?Italy          - Rome         - Ippodrome Tor Di Valle
Tue 20  <same>
Thu 22 ?<same>

Some notes on this:

-> # before the country/state indicates a cancelled venue !!!
       
-> * before the country/state indicates a sold out venue
       
-> % before the country/state indicates a rumoured venue

-> ? indicates conflicting reports. Does anybody have details about them ?
       
-> The Knebworth concert (within the U.S.A.-leg of the tour) is
   rumoured to bill both Pink Floyd and The Rolling Stones...
   Rumoures about Knebworth being canceled: NO. It is possible that it is
   moved to an other venue due to work on Knebworth Park not being ready.
       
-> Concerts for Greece, Israel, Turkey and Russia have been rumoured.
   Dates for U.K. will be announced in '94. It is not know to us whether
   Pink Floyd will tour Australia.
   
-> There are rumours about 5 days Earls Court (after Sep. 20.)
   Other rumours talk about 9th to 26th October !!

-> Rumoured number of gigs: 154

-> Semi-confirmed album title: "Awaken to the Sense of Reality".
   Other suggestions: "Awake on the Verge of Insanity", "Above the
   Water", "Waiting for the Sun".

-> Release dates for the new album: (not confirmed)
       U.K.           - March 21 or 28
       U.S.A.         - March 22 or 29

-> The band is rumoured to consist of:
       David Gilmour    - Guitars    & Vocals
       Nick Mason       - Drums
       Rick Wright      - Keyboards  & Vocals
       Jon Carin        - Keyboards  & Vocals
       Tim Renwick      - Guitars    & Vocals
       Gary Wallis      - Percussion
      Guy Pratt        - Bass       & Vocals
       Dick Parry       - Saxophone           (does this mean DSOTM/Echoes ?) 

       Durga McBroom    - Backing Vocals
       Sam Brown        - Backing Vocals
       Claudia Fontaine - Backing Vocals

-> The stage is rumoured to measure 200*80*70 feet. It takes a crew of
   120 people and three full days to set up and 48 transport trucks.
   Its unusual shape also reportedly affords "unprecedented sightlines"
   from virtually anywhere in the stadium. Revolutionary lasers with
   military power (!) are also rumoured to become part of the show.

-> Rumoured rehearsal-venue: USA:Texas - Dallas. The following venues
   for this have been rumoured: Goodyear Blimp hangar, Texas Stadium,
   Alliance Airport. The Pink Floyd aircraft (blimp) has been spotted
   at several places on the bottom half of the USA


Hope this helps.

Richard Alexander Shackleton
MEng Software Engineering
Imperial College Of Science And Technology
LONDON ENGLAND
email: ras2@doc.ic.uk

    
    Earls Court booking number is :
    
    071 - 373 - 8141
    
    
    So the question is:
    
    a) How many people can Earls Court take ?
    
    b) Will the stage/lights be smaller for Earls Court as they're not in
       an outdoor stadium.
    
    
    Anyone got any comments on Earls Court as a venue ?  I've never been
    there before....
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    Earls Cours holds around 15000 peeps.  Its Ok as a large indoor venue,
    its better than most.  The real problem is that its a bit out of the
    way (tho' not as bad as Wembley!), and has only one tiny tube station. 
    Getting a tube after a show is difficult - several thousand people
    cramming in thru some tiny gates.  Can take a very long time.
    
    Mikef                                                   

    
    Mike,
    
    Thanks. I guess the thing is that it's 'reputed' to be a humongous setup,
    that can take up a fair proportion of a stadium, and 9 stories high !
    
    Can Earls Court seriously take that ?  (assuming what we hear is true).
    
    I'm going to be staying in London, so at least I don't have the
    travelling problems.
    
    
    Kevin.
    
    

    Well - Earls Court is where they did the Wall shows back in 1980, and I
    think they did the full show then.  
    
    Mikef

Booked for the 12th

237 days and counting

Al

Earl's Court sounds as if it's a fan's nightmare, but I saw The Wall show 
there, from right at the back, (was it really that long ago?!), and the sound
and visuals were excellent. 

grahame

    Yes - it was that long ago.  I was at the back also, on a Wednesday
    night as I recall.  Its an OK place, with plenty of bars so not too
    much queueing.  You do feel like a space cadet with all the escalators
    though...
    
    Mikef

I'll be there on the Wednesday night.

I've not been to a concert at Earls Court either, although I've been for
the ski show. Is it the same building or is there a separate concert hall?

I've only seen pf at Knebworth at the end of the Nordoff Robins charity concert,
That was good then, but here's looking forward to March 22nd! and October 12th!

Richard

    
    	Anyone know where I can get a phone no. for the Knebworth gig?
    
    	Even the Tocta no. for London. 
    
    
    						Stuart.

    
    
        Can anyone that has been to a Floyd concert before speculate on 
    what to expect???  BTW I'm a first timer.  
       
        Another question:  What did actually happen to Syd Barrett?
                           What is the signifigance of Shine On...?
    
    
                                                 Blair.
    

>        Can anyone that has been to a Floyd concert before speculate on 
>    what to expect???  BTW I'm a first timer.  
 
Amazing light show, lots of props, latterly slightly overly layered music
(due to having in the region of a dozen musicians on stage!) but excellent
nontheless.

>        Another question:  What did actually happen to Syd Barrett?

It largely depends on which rumour you want to believe!  The most likely
one is that he's living with his mother near Cambridge, is still mad as
a hatter and does odd bits of painting.  Looks virtually unrecognisable,
the last picture I saw of him (admittedly several years old) showed some
bald fat bloke with a beard.

>                           What is the signifigance of Shine On...?
    
Apparently a song about Syd, though all sorts of things have been read
into it.

Chris.

    
    
       Chris,
    
       The book in the pf box set "Shine On" breifly mentions Syd.
    It spoke of Syd acting a little strange while playing a gig
    somewhere in England if I'm not mistaken.  It then later mentions
    Syd's strange behavior on the Ed Sullivan show when Ed is asking
    Syd questions and Syd is staring straight ahead while saying nothing.
    
       What brought on this sudden change in him?  I've really heard no
    rumours except what I mentioned.  Was it drugs, or was it just 
    simple instability on his part?
    
       Anyway, definitely looking forward to the concert as well as 
    the new album.  By the way, when are the dates set for your neck
    of woods? 
    
                                          Just wondering,
    
                                          Blair.

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Got this off of echoes for the rest of you:  to be released in early
April in the US.  (held back because problems choosing title and
artwork)

Track listing:

1.  Nearly Touching/Cluster One
2.  What Do You Want From Me
3.  Poles Apart
4.  Marooned
5.  A Great Day For Freedom
6.  Wearing The Inside Out
7.  Take It Back
8.  Keep Talking
9.  Coming Back To Life
10.  Lost For Words
11.  High Hopes


remember, I only saw (and know) what I read... Andy

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To be released April 5th in US.

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In article alt.music.pink-floyd Andy Lindeman wrote:
: To be released April 5th in US.

But: World exclusive premiere: morning of March 21st on Virgin 1215 in
UK! (Richard Skinner said so this morning, so it must be true!) What's
the betting that there'll be  Tommy Vance interview soon as well?

--

Paddy Spencer             | "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene
   pss@s-a.amtp.liv.ac.uk |  bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?"
   pss@liverpool.ac.uk    |    - Capt Beefheart

    >>What did actually happen to Syd Barrett?
    
    He fried his brain in Acid.
    
    Phil Gill.

    >> He fried his brain in Acid.
    
    Should have used Spry Crisp n Dry, never leaves a mess on the kitchen
    roll.
    
    Mikef.

    
From the internet...
    

I just heard "Keep Talking" on the radio!  I happened to be listening
to Virgin 1215 through my satellite receiver (BTW, that's the only way
to get it in stereo). Just before twelve o'clock, someone said "Watch
out for the Pink Floyd special, coming between twelve and one". Wow!
So, I stayed tuned, and then, at 13:32 CET came the announcement:

"You're listening to Virgin 1215, I'm Richard Skinner, and here comes
a very very special moment in the history of this radio station, as we
become the very first radio station in the world to play music from the
brand new album from Pink Floyd. The album is called "The Division Bell".
It's a couple of weeks away, it'll be in the shops soon. From it, we
must thank the Floyd and EMI and the boys at Abbey Road studios for
an exclusive first play of a song called "Keep Talking". This is the
Floyd, first time anywhere, and listen out for the synthesized voice
of professor Stephen Hawking as featured in that dramatic BT satellite
TV ad. "Keep Talking", Pink Floyd, on Virgin 1215."

And then (surprise!) they played "Keep Talking". I wasn't particularly
impressed by it at first, but now, after a couple more listens, I think
it's very good. Dave's singing reminds me a bit of "Sorrow". Overall,
the sound is much "thicker", more complete, sort of, than on MLoR. It
definitely sounds "Floydy" enough. The instrumental parts (especially
the guitar and synth solos) are excellent!

After the song, Richard Skinner said:

"Should Virgin be on FM stereo, or what, eh? Like to hear that on FM
stereo? Do your bit, call for a petition pack, now, our number 0645
75 1215. I can tell you, that was magnificent in stereo. "Keep Talking",
exclusive to Virgin 1215. Pink Floyd, and a song from their new album
"The Division Bell". That was the first time anyone in the world (outside
of the band, and the record company) have heard that song. Thanks again
to EMI, Pink Floyd and Abbey Road studios for letting us play that for
you today. And make sure you keep it on Virgin for more exclusive first
plays of music from that album. Pink Floyd, first on Virgin 1215!

Here come the Smashing Pumpkins. Wasn't that a good record? I'll play
that again for you soon."


I wrote a transcript of the lyrics, and they're included below.

WARNING: If you don't want to see the lyrics, stop reading now!




Ok, here are the lyrics. Stephen Hawking "speaks" the "" parts, the ()
parts are sung by the backing vocalists, and the rest is Dave.


	Keep Talking
	~~~~~~~~~~~~

"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something
happened that unleashed the power of our imagination -- the urge to talk."

There's silence around me
I can't seem to think straight
I sit in the corner
And noone can bother me

I think I should speak now        (Why won't you talk to me?)
I can't seem to speak now         (You never talk to me)
My words won't come out right     (What are you thinking?)
I feel like I'm drowning          (What are you feeling?)
I'm feeling weak now              (Why won't you talk to me?)
I can't show my weakness          (You never talk to me)
I sometime wonder                 (What are you thinking?)
Where do we go from here?         (What are you feeling?)

"It doesn't have to be like this. All we
need to do, is make sure we keep talking."

[Guitar & synth solos]

                                  (Why won't you talk to me?)
I feel like I'm drowning          (You never talk to me)
You know I can't breathe now      (What are you thinking?)
We're going nowhere               (What are you feeling?)
We're going nowhere               (Why won't you talk to me?)
                                  (You never talk to me)
                                  (What are you thinking?)
                                  (Where do we go from here?)

"It doesn't have to be like this. All we
need to do, is make sure we keep talking."

    
    ... obviously I haven't heard the song (yet) but from reading the
    lyrics,  and also the idea of using the synthesised voice of Stephen
    Hawking - presumably sampled from the 'Brief History of Time' - I'd say
    someone's been listening to 'Radio K.A.O.S'......  %^)
    
    Graham 

    What a lot of advertising and name-dropping. Isn't BT mentioned in the
    song? Corporate whores the lot of them.
    
    
    Rod

    
    
    	"corporate whores" - now what song is that in - 
    
    			aggghhhhhh it's buggin' me.
    
    
    	
    						Stuart

Its on a Nirvana T-shirt - maybe thats what you are thinking of

(approximately 
"Flower Sniffing, Kitten Petting, Baby Cuddling Corporate Rock Whores")

    	
    	No - I can hear the guy singing it - but only that line.
    
    
    					Stuart.
    
    		Nevermind?

    I managed to book a couple of seats this morning for the Earls Court
    show - Wed 26th October. How many nights are they doing their for
    heavens sake?
    
    Phil Gill.

    I've booked for sat. 22nd - I got told from a friend it is a two week
    stint - starting on the 13th I think.
    Anyone know the layout - I'm area 27 which doesn't sound good -
    probrably right up the back - nevermind.
    
    
    
    				Stuart.

>    I've booked for sat. 22nd - I got told from a friend it is a two week
>    stint - starting on the 13th I think.

It had better not be, I just received my tickets for the 12th  :-)

Al

    I just called the booking office again, for 2 more tickets for my
    nephew. I asked if they had any seats left in the same block as my
    existing booking - block 27. "Certainly" came the reply, "But would you
    not prefer the seats we have available at the front of the stage?"!!!!!
    
    I'm confused as to why I wasn't offered these seats when I rang 3 days
    ago? Oh well, get to the back, nephew!
    
    Phil Gill.

    I read today that Douglas Adams will actually be joining them for one
    song on one of the dates, not sure which date/song though.
    
    Mikef

    Has anybody heard , read or seen any reviews of their current tour?
    
    Ian

    There was a review in last months Vox, quite a good one I recall.
    
    Mikefg

    The real question is: has anyone NOT seen or heard any reviews!

    ftp.twi.tudelft.nl has regular reviews of recent concerts on this tour
    (like, last night!)
    
    Phil Gill.

         When are PF supposed to play Earl's Court anyway?  Last check
    I heard they were booked 16 nights sometime in October.  Is this the
    only stadium they plan to play in England?
    
         If anyone has seen them over there, how about a review???
    
                                                   Thanks,
    
                                                   Blair.

    >>When are PF supposed to play Earl's Court anyway?  
    
    First date is Wed 12th October.
    
    >>Last check I heard they were booked 16 nights sometime in October.
    
    That is correct.
      
    >>Is this the only stadium they plan to play in England?
    
    Yes.
    
    Phil Gill
    

I'll post a review on Thursday

Al

Only 2 days to go!!! :-)

     
    For those who did not see the national news last night,
    the first concert at Earls Court was stopped after about
    1minute of music. A stand holding a lot of stamping,
    excited fans collapsed injuring 50, apparently and
    thankfully none seriously.
    
    I rushed in after buying a hotdog at the extortionate price
    of 1.95, to get to my seat just as the lights and music started.
    It cannot have lasted for more than a minute before the lights
    were back on and we were eventually asked to leave keeping our
    ticket stubs in the event of a rescheduled night.
    
    Richard     

	Rescheduled for next Monday 17th October.

	Richard

Well I promised a review and a review I'll give.

The 1st minute of Shine on You Crazy Diamond was brilliant!!

Like Richard, I'd only been sitting (On the same kind of seats that collapsed)
for a couple of seconds when the lights went down.

I don't think the music had really started, but like all concerts, as the lights
went down, there were whistles and foot stamping which would have drowned out
the opening seconds.

I was looking around the arena taking in the size of it, never having been there
before, when I noticed the sign on Block 9 move forward and down. I immediately
thought that the seats had collapsed, but as it was so dark I couldn't be sure.
The music continued for about a minute, if that, before the lights came back on,
and the reality of what had happened became apparent.

Fortunately only 50 people were injured (1500 were sitting in the block), of
which 9 were taken to hospital and 6 kept in overnight. The worst injuries were
broken limbs.

So we'll all be back there to try again on Monday evening. It should be a great
night, as I reckon they'll put on an even better show for those who were there
last night.

Al

    
    I heard a brief interview with one of the injured on the Radio
    yesterday - it seems his immediate reaction was that  it was a 'special
    effect' !
    
    Graham

         Hi folks!  I heard about what happened at Earls Court yesterday
    on the National news over here.  They showed some pictures of the 
    toppled stands which they said injured 50-60 people.  What an awful
    thing to happen to the ticket holders who waited the longest.  I'm
    wondering about those poor people with broken limbs and how they will
    be compensated for their loss.  Surely, they won't attempt to attend
    the rescheduled concert so soon after their injuries!
    
         On another note, I've already seen Pink Floyd's Division Bell
    concert and I must say it was without a doubt THE BEST concert I've 
    ever experienced!  I'm surprised to hear that they were opening with
    "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" though.  I won't comment anymore on the 
    show until I hear your individual reviews.  
    
        P.S.  What did you folks think of their new stage???
    
                                   
    
                                                         
    Blair.

    From a friend who was there... They were considering restarting the
    concert after clearing up the mess but had to cancel because they
    couldn't guarantee the safety of the people.   
    
    The concert has been rescheduled for tonight  17th October.
    
    tmp

    
    	Went to Earls Court on saturday 22nd.
    
    	Concert was brilliant - loved the jam in the middle of Money.
    	Great Gig In the Sky was excellent- except for the last singer.
    	
    	Lasers and lights were also excellent - I think there will never 
    	be another gig that will even come close.
    
    
    				Stuart

         I heard from a radio station that Pink Floyd will be 
    playing Dark Side of the Moon live for the last time, possibly
    from Earls Court.  Apparently, the event will take place sometime
    in November.  We can watch the event live over here via satelite
    on the "Pay-per-view" network.
    
         Has anyone heard the same?  Anyone have any more information on
    this, or is it just strictly rumour?
    
         Just wondering,
    
         Blair.

    The complete Dark Side of the Moon set has been performed a number of
    times on this tour, and was recorded at Rotterdam. It is highly
    unlikely that the band have said they will be performing it for one
    last time. The current set at Earl's Court includes Breathe, Time,
    Great Gig in the Sky, Us and Them and Money from that album. The Earl's 
    Court dates finish on Monday (31st October) so unless there has been a 
    very recent change to the schedule, you won't be watching any live Pink 
    Floyd from there in November.
    
    Went to Wednesday night's show. Eyes and ears took a battering. So did
    the brain but that's another story. Highly enjoyable.
    
    Phil Gill.

They opened the 2nd half last Thursday with Astronomy Domine, it was
fantastic!  I think for me the highpoint of the show was Comfortably
Numb & Run Like Hell, although I felt a bit sorry for the band with the
rather overly excessive explosion at the end...

Dave seems to have the Rog vocal impressions off to a tee as well!

Chris.

         Yes!  Yes!  You're right!  I recall at the encore when they 
    played "Hey You" the keyboard player (not Rick Wright) sounded
    almost exactly like Roger Waters.  I believe it was during the
    latter part of the song where it required more emphasis on the
    higher end of the vocals.
         However, I don't recall Dave ever sounding like Roger.  
    Dave has that smooth low sounding voice which always blended so 
    well with Rick's.  Roger's, on the other hand, was that distinct
    sound which always made the Floyd sound so mysterious.  
    
         I'd just wish Dave or someone from the group will eventually
    settle their differences with Roger and invite him back at least
    for a live performance of DSOTM.  After all of these years maybe
    someone would be willing to at least talk about it!
    After all isn't that the "theme" of their new album...Communicating????
    
         Just a thought.
    
         Blair.

    Well for all you burnt-out, brain-frazzled, ageing hippies, you can
    settle down in your armchairs on Tuesday night at 10:15 with your
    favourite herbal cigarettes and watch a 40 minute Omnibus presentation
    on Floyd followed by a (presemably somewhat hacked-down version)
    recording of one of the recent Earl's Court shows.
    
    If Hugh Cornwell could see me now. Oh the shame of it all.
    
    Phil Gill.

         Maybe Phill or one of the other noters here would like to 
    tape this one for me on VHS video???    PLEEEEEEZZZZEEEEE????
    I will reimburse for all mailing expenses!  That remindes me...
    If anyone has any other vintage Floyd that they would like to share
    with other Floydians such as myself, drop me a note and we'll work
    something out!
    
                                               Regards,
    
                                               Blair.

    I will be certainly taping it, I will even transfer it to NTSC format
    if that is what you use in Canada (which is where I think POLAR is,
    Ontario, right?). I'm just too helpful. 
    
    Mail me offline for with requirements.
    
    Phil Gill. 

    Question : How do you p1$$ nearly the entire population off?
    Answer   : Show a pink Floyd gig on the telly.
    
    This annoyed me so much.  I'm extremely fed up that I didn't go and see
    it for myself, now.
    
    Still, what a superb show!  The simultaneous broadcast with R1 was excellent
    (despite Claire Sturgess popping up every 20 minutes and saying "You're
    listening to Pink Floyd on One Eff Emm"
    
    Magic!  
    
    P.S. Did they play Comfortably numb? I don't remember hearing it,
    though I was a little anaebriated (sp?)

    The doc before hand was a bit brief, they had what looked like some
    excellent footage of early Floyd noises, I could have happily sat thru
    two hours of that rather then the concert they did show.  The concert
    itself was enjoyable tho (and excellently Pro Logic encoded, techno
    freaks!).
    
    Mikef

    
         Sniff....Sniff.........Waaaaaaa!!!!
    
    
         

    	They did play comfortably numb - and so was I =:-) we didn't get the 
    documentary up here,scotland - a change of programme to show some
    pakistani singer instead - no comment.
    
    	I partularily enjoyed the trax from DSOM - esp. Breathe as they
    didn't play it when I went.
    
    	Can't wait to get home so I can watch it  again.
    	Sam Fox was brilliant on Great Gig In The Sky and one thing I did 
    notice was how much better the light show was from the back -which is 
    where I sat - I'd wondered if it was better down the front.
    
    Wish I'd went more than once - hindsight.
    
    They played an early physcadelic trax at the gig that was an
    instrumental - it wasn't on last night - I've asked what it was and
    someone thought it was Astronomie Donomie - anyone know?
    
    	The lasers at the beginning of Sorrow were incredible - 
    
    	Hope a properly edited video comes out soon as it wasn't quite as 
    	good as Delicate Sound Of Thunder. 
    
    
    
    					Stuart

    It was Astronomie Dominie !!
    
    Ian.
    

    And it was Sam Brown, not Sam Fox. They must be good buddies as Gilmour
    played on a couple of tracks of her first album.

    
    	That personal name - what was I thinkin' - re-2 - cheers.

    
    	Yes there was planets spinning around - I wasn't sure whether there 
    was singing in it - really enjoyed that song.
    I was thinking that the fireballs were hot - I was sure a could feel 
    heat from them as they went off but thought,no way,the people down the 
    front would have been roasted.
    You definatley couldn't get the full effect of the mirror ball from the 
    telly - got lots of "spectrums" of light from it - it was really good.
    
    	I kept half looking at the stage and half looking at the effects
    the lights were having around the stadium - some really good effects
    this way - the cameras were too near most of the time.
    
    Also thought the best lighting was during Another Brick - Time and 
    Comfortably Numb.
    
    					Stuart

re Sam whoever,

Sam Fox once sang for Hawkwind, and Dave Gilmour was roped into playing
on a couple of tracks for them, but I think that's about the only connection
(a very tenuous one at that!)

Chris.

    
    
    errrr, as a Hawkwind fan I feel I must point out a little inaccuracy in
    that last statement ; Sam Fox *did not* sing *for* Hawkwind, she sang the
    words to 'gimme shelter' on a charity record with Hawkwind - the same
    charity record that had several other strange collaborations on it, all
    doing their versions of the same song - as far as I can remember, it
    and all the other versions were released as singles at the same time to
    raise money for the homeless.
    
    Graham
    
    BTW, I don't think anyone would claim to have sung for Hawkwind,
    perhaps 'vocalised' might be a better term... %^)
    
    

the other versions on that EP were Little Angels and Thunder (affectionately 
dubbed "Chunder" in my locality)

Well, I think rather a lot of Hawkwind `members' have had pretty tenuous
relationships with the band.  Just to confuse things further, Nik Turner's
Hawkwind has also been touring recently.  As far as Sam Fox is concerned,
I guess there were some copyright issues as her vocals were removed from
`Gimme Shelter' when it appeared on the album, to be replaced with Richard
Chadwick's incessant droning...

Chris.

>	a) are they any good?

I think I heard about this band in the NME once, they seemed to
think they were okay.

Chris.

>    If you like Pink Floyd the CD is "OK" but too similar to Delicate Sound
>    of Thunder (last live album)

I've already got "Delicate Sound", so basically it's not worth forking out for?
Save my money any buy Animals and Wish You Were Here on CD?

Thanks,

Guy

p.s. if I can buy a Banco De Gaia triple CD for 10.99, I don't think the fancy
packaging costs another 10; I spy a cash-in.

    >>I've already got "Delicate Sound", so basically it's not worth forking 
    >>out for? Save my money any buy Animals and Wish You Were Here on CD?
    
    Definitely.
    
    >>p.s. if I can buy a Banco De Gaia triple CD for 10.99,
    Banco De Gaia are not Pink Floyd.
    
    >>I don't think the fancy packaging costs another 10; I spy a cash-in.
    By the same token a triple CD does not "cost" 10.99 (to manufacture),
    so it's just different degrees of rip-off.
    
    Phil Gill.
              

Re -.1

You're quite right of course, they're going to charge whatever the market will
bear, and the market will bear more for the Floyds, Bon Jovis and Madonnas of
this world than anything else.  However I reserve the right to gurn about it
(and exercise my free-market right to vote with my wallet).

Guy

Power to the people.

Well done, Guy.  I wish I had your will-power.

    I read somwhere the the Floyd live CD is being re-issued without the
    flashing light, but with an extra track.  I feel sorry for the
    fans who must have everything...
    
    mikef

         Over here we're hearing many rumours of Roger and Floyd 
    getting back together.  I've even read of a venue at the Concert
    Hall of Fame in September.  Could any of you kind folks confirm 
    or dispell this rumour?
    
          Thanks, 
          
          Blair (who would give his first born to see Roger and Dave
                 back on stage again) High hopes...high Hopes.

    Yeah,  well Sid's coming back ain't he.  So where does that leave Dave? 
    I mean,  he's hardly an original is he!
    
    Nigel