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Conference marvin::uk_music

Title:The UK Music Conference
Notice:Welcome (back) to UK_MUSIC on node MARVIN.
Moderator:RDGENG::CROOK
Created:Mon Mar 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1381
Total number of notes:39269

1189.0. "Cd singles, are they ripping us off?" by CHEFS::HARRISR (Goosenargh!) Mon Oct 25 1993 14:07

    Looking around record fairs, and big record stores I can't help
    noticing that people in the UK are being ripped off in a big way, when
    it comes to Cd singles. Why is it that whenever a major recording
    artist releases a single, our American friends get at least two extra
    tracks on their single, while we have the bog standard ones. This seems
    a little unfair. Take the Five Live E.P. I bought both the british
    versions. One a four track, one a three. I was at the concert where
    three of the recordings were made, and they were remixed out of all
    proportion on Cd. The American version however had six tracks with an eight
    page booklet as well, and were original versions. So why are we given
    inferior versions when all the artists concerned were British? Can
    anybody explain. I have also noticed the same phenomenon with Maddonna,
    Prince, Def Leppard, Roxette, Queen and loads of other artists. I also
    bet that they pay a lot less for their singles than we do, SO WHY IS IT
    HAPPENING ?
    
    
    Rich.  
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1189.1and another thing..............CHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Mon Oct 25 1993 14:094
    I also object to having to pay between eight and sixteen pounds for the
    privalige of owning a better version of a Cd single.
    
    Rich.
1189.2JURA::PELAZ::MACFADYENGet a load of thisMon Oct 25 1993 19:1010
I've never heard that CD singles come out in 'better' versions in the US.
Something else to feel resentful about, where true.

I do quite like the CD single format. It costs very little more than a 12"
vinyl single (itself a very satisfactory format) but seems often to offer
more tracks - although five versions of one song is not necessarily better 
than one version of one song.


Rod
1189.3no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no CHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Mon Oct 25 1993 19:3237
1189.4WOTVAX::FIDDLERMDestroying the balance I keptMon Oct 25 1993 19:4114
    CD singles in the US are not very expensive as I recall, usually around
    the 2.99 pounds mark I think.  Yes, you do often get different mixes n
    longer versions n stuff on import singles.  I think I have some KLF
    singles with loads of different stuff on.  Try looking in the mail
    order sections of the Music Press, or get an American pen pal!
    
    Mikef
    
    PS
    It seems easy to pick up CD singles cheaply when they have fallen out
    of the charts.  Shops like Woolies often sell them  for 1.99, even Asda
    has often had some cheapo goodies!  Although I am still looking for the
    limited edition of the last New Order single (World), the one in the
    cardboard box if anyone has seen it?
1189.5JURA::PELAZ::MACFADYENGet a load of thisMon Oct 25 1993 19:446
Re .3:  I understood your point perfectly well. I was making a different
point. But maybe I was just importing bad EF-type ratholing practices into
this file.


Rod
1189.6BREW11::WALLACE_JMon Oct 25 1993 20:5715
1189.7the next wave....GRANMA::FDEADYeverything's fine... just fine..Mon Oct 25 1993 22:4210
    re. CD-I
    	I think this means CD-Interactive. With the correct audio equipment
    you are able to re-mix the songs. There is a note in either MUSIC or
    RADIO_RADIO that talks about the CD-I technology, and someone had seen
    Todd Rundgren demonstrate it at a CD shop. I also bought the new TR CD,
    I did not care for it initially. However, after playing it several
    times I have begun to enjoy it. I do think they should change the CD's
    title to "Rundgren Raps" ;^)
    
    	fred deady
1189.8Serious bit, followed by a cheapshotBOOZER::RANKINETue Oct 26 1993 03:1114
    I read that one of the reasons for US CD singles having more tracks on
    them is that the US culture of music buying is more 'album' based.  The
    enticement of extra tracks is to try to encourage more purchases of
    singles.  Also there is restriction in the UK that in order to be
    called a 'single' the Cd must not contain more than 4 tracks.  Some
    artists get round this by including non-named tracks, or by merging 2
    tracks together, so that they appear as 1.
    
    IMHO I would have thought that less tracks of George Michael and Lisa
    stansfield would have been a BONUS :-) :-)...but I need to put this in,
    otherwise people would think that Im capable of writing a serious note
    !!
    
    Paul
1189.10I blame the teapersons (PC header)BREW11::RANKINEWed Oct 27 1993 21:368
    Well so much for the party political broadcasts, and back to the base
    topic.....
    
    re -1  I read that whatever George Michael earnt from a sale, Sony made
    SIX TIMES that amount, not the 3 times in previous note... nice
    business to be in, eh ?
    
    Paul
1189.11And it follows that.......CHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Thu Oct 28 1993 12:0112
1189.12printf("Hi Rich");IOSG::GILESLThu Oct 28 1993 15:3917
    From the legality point of view I would have thought that they can
    charge what they want, it's just they wont charge too much because you
    the consumer will not buy it. I belive this is called Supply and
    Demand, but being a techy I dont know too much about business.
    
    They have been lobbying in the UK to lower CD prices, but the record
    compaies are laughing cos people are still buying them, they may feel
    that they are getting a raw deal, but if you think it's such a raw deal
    then you are not going to buy it really are you....
    
    I reckon that if people in the UK are going to get a cut in CD prices,
    they ought to stop buying them....
    
    
    
    
    			Linsey
1189.13COMICS::WEGGSome hard boiled eggs and some nuts.Fri Oct 29 1993 11:5024
1189.14Nice try, wrong formatCHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Fri Oct 29 1993 12:015
1189.15They'll rip you off..if you let themBREW11::RANKINEFri Oct 29 1993 18:0318
1189.16YupIOSG::GILESLFri Oct 29 1993 18:446
    In answer to .-1 anyone know anywhere cheap to by CD's in Reading then
    ?
    
    
    
    Linsey
1189.17Green River?FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingMon Nov 01 1993 17:555
The ONLY independent CD stockist in Reading (centre, anyway) is in the Bristol 
& West Arcade - Green River it's called, I think. Not sure about prices, but I 
know Trev Warwick used to shop there, so they won't be high!!

grahame
1189.18CD singles in the USWECROW::HILLIn casual pursuit of serenity.Mon Nov 15 1993 17:2617
Well, having read this note I thought I might have hit on a unique idea 
for christmas gifts for my nieces back in the UK. So, I've been checking out 
CD stores looking for bargain CD's with more that four tracks. It seems that 
not all stores stack CD singles and those that do stock a wider selection of 
cassette singles. The prices seem to vary from $5.49 to $6.99 and most only
have two or three tracks listed. $6.99 in MA meands $6.99 plus 5% tax so that's
$7.34. The exchange rate has been somewhere in the region of $1.50 recently so
that works out to about 4.89 pounds.

The packaging seems to vary too from the basic 2 track CD in a cardbord sleeve to
the more expensive CD's in a proper plastic CD case.

The CD club I use for most of my purchases are real cheap. I think they 
manufacture the CD's under license and they never seem to have the newer stuff,
but as I'm mostly buying the stuff from my youth I guess it doesn't matter.
It's difficult to see how much I pay because the offers are different each month
but it works out cheaper that the store specials.