Conference marvin::uk_music

There's a piece of shareware that will convert to/from many file
formats, including .jpg, called Paint Shop Pro. You can find it
on the net at:

NSIC00::PSQ:[PUBLIC.SOURCES.WIN-PUBLIC]PAINTS20.ZIP

It's a zip file so first you have to unpack it, then you have to
run a setup program to install it on your pc. It's discussed in
note 2171 of MORTAL::IBMPC_SHAREWARE

This could open up many sources for your pc. I've found that you
can even use it to see VMS ddif bitmaps. First you have to use the
CDA Converter on VMS to turn the ddif file into a tif file, and
then you can use Paint Shop Pro to read the tif file. Once you've
got it into PSP, you can save to any of the available formats. 


Rod

    Thanks Rod, I'll give it a go.
    
    Regards,
    
    Debs
    

    Wow, that worked briliantly!
    
    Those JPG files are great, especially the Bjork one.  Except I'm not a 
    massive Bjork fan, so don't particularly want a  photo of her on my 
    desktop.. any more music pics out there?  Can anyone point me to a 
    directory?
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Debs.
    

Glad to be of help. Dunno where you can find music pics tho'.

You can get various music pics from cs.uwp.edu, in the directory
/pub/music/pictures (I think), but you'll need to use FTP.  You
can FTP to nodes outside digital if you FTP to crl.dec.com on
port 1555, and follow the instructions.  The only problem is that
access can be a bit restricted.
Cheers,

Chris.

    So I type FTP from the $ prompt and get an FTP> prompt. 
    Then I type connect crl.dec.com and I get 
    
    220 crl.dec.com FTP server (Version 5.94 Fri Apr 15 10:11:06 EDT 1994)
    ready.
    Connected to crl.dec.com.
    Name (crl.dec.com:gilliland):
    
    Then whatever I type (and I'm not sure what to type) I get
    
    331 Password required for (whatever I've typed)
    Password:
    
    What do I do next?
    
    Phil Gill.
    
    P.S. Show sym FTP gives FTP == "$UCX$FTP/ULTRIX"
                                                    

when you go into FTP, type `con crl.dec.com 1555'; the number at the
end is important, it lets you go outside DEC.  When it asks you for
a username, type `ftp@cs.uwp.edu', which will log you into cs.uwp.edu
with the ID `ftp', which is the norm for anonymous file access.  It may
tell you its busy, and to go away and try later, so early mornings are
probably your best bet.  If it does let you in, it'll want to know
your full internet address, which you enter in place of the password
(ie user_name@vms_node.enet.dec.com), which won't be displayed as you
type it.

Once in, you use CD to find your way around, DIR lists directories and
GET grabs files.  For images, you'll need to enter the BINARY command
otherwise the file will be corrupted when you retrieve it.  It stays in
binary mode until you tell it otherwise (use the ASCII command).
Cheers,

Chris.

    Chris, you are very helpful. I can't currently connect as there are too
    many users on the system, but I have at least advanced further than I
    have managed to get before. Incidentally, the first system I tried
    accessing from (WARFUT) gave the message
    
    %UCX-E-FTP_HSTINF, Failed to get host information for 
    crl.dec.com" "1555 from database
    
    -RMS-E-RNF, record not found
    
    The other system I use (SHAWBY) works fine. Any idea why this is? Also,
    is this an Internet node or what?
    
    Phil Gill.

>    The other system I use (SHAWBY) works fine. Any idea why this is? Also,
>    is this an Internet node or what?
    
not sure, I'm a bit rusty on VMS related issues.

Yes, the cs.uwp.edu is an internet node (University of Wisconsin I think);
I'll post the list of other nodes with music-related things on them next
time I see it...

Chris.

Found it already...

Chris.

Archive-name: music/ftp-sites
Last-modified: 1994/03/02 12:08:56
Version: 1.14


*** rec.music.info - List of Internet Musical FTP Sites ***

This fortnightly posted list of ftp sites is maintained by the current
rec.music.info moderator, Leo Breebaart, who can be reached at
rec-music-info@cp.tn.tudelft.nl.

All comments, updates, new additions, etc. are more than welcome -- I rely
entirely on reader feedback to keep this list up-to-date.

If you do not know what ftp is or how to use it, check out the introductory
articles found in news.announce.newusers and news.answers, or ask somebody
more experienced to help you.

By the way: many periodic or FAQ articles, including this one, are
available for anonymous ftp on the archive site rtfm.mit.edu
in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is
archived appears is the one that appears in the 'Archive-name' line at the
top of the article. The FAQ you are now reading is archived as
music/rec-music-info/ftp-sites.

If you can't do or don't know about ftp: there's also a mail server on that
machine. Just send a e-mail message to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu
containing the word "help" in the body of the message.


INTERNET MUSICAL FTP SITES

 ---  ftp.uwp.edu [131.210.1.4]

Directory: /pub/music
Maintainer: David Datta (datta@cs.uwp.edu) 

This is the Music FTP Archive, a place that every music lover on the net
should be familiar with. Many interesting things are stored here, in
particular:

    - Classical music buying guide
    - Discographies for over 350 artists
    - Lyrics to over 15000 songs by over 1100 artists
    - Rec.music.info archives
    - Sounds & Pictures

This archive is also available as a Gopher service (see the "Internet
Resources" article for details).

 ---  ftp.uwp.edu [131.210.1.4]

Directory: /pub/music/lists

Yup, this is the same ftp-site as the previous one, but I think a second
entry is necessary for mentioning that this specific directory contains
mailing list logs (and often related information as well) for the following
Usenet mailing lists:

1000 Maniacs, Tori Amos, Art of Noise, BGRASS-L, Bass Guitar, Billboard
Charts, The Bobs, Book of Love, Bruce Springsteen, Kate Bush, Chameleons
[UK], Vincent Clarke, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello, Depeche Mode, Drony
Guitar Bands, Dutch Charts, Dutch music newsletter, Eclectic Music,
Electronic Dreams, Elton John, Enya, Melissa Etheridge, Peter Gabriel,
Genesis, Debbie Gibson - Between the Lines, Amy Grant, Grateful Dead,
Grunge Rock, Grunge Rock (even more), Jimi Hendryx, Robyn Hitchcock, Allan
Holdsworth, Independant music, Indigo Girls, Innocence Mission, Janes
Addiction, Jean-Michel Jarre, Jazz Butcher, Jethro Tull,
KLF/ORB/Timelords/JAMS, King Crimson, Kingsx, The Kinks, Kiss, Kraftwerk,
Kurzweil K2000, Led Zeppelin, Marillion and Fish, Men Without Hats, Moody
Blues, Morrissey, New Music List, New Order, Gary Numan, Sinead O'Connor,
Olivia Newton John, Pet Shop Boys, Pink Floyd, Prince, Progressive Rock,
Punk, Queen, Queensryche, REM, Happy Rhodes, Roxette, Simple Minds, Sonic
Youth, Soundtracks, Steve Vai, Sugarcubes, Sundays, Tangerine Dream, Tears
For Fears, Temple of the Dog & related, The Who, Tiffany, US Rocker
Electronic Publication, Vangelis, Wilson Phillips, XTC, Yello, Yes

    
 --- ftp.iastate.edu [129.186.150.150]

A daily mirror site for ftp.uwp.edu.


 --- syrinx.umd.edu [129.2.8.114]

Directory: /rush
Maintainer: David Arnold (rush-mgr@syrinx.umd.edu)

Rush archives. Contains lyrics to all the songs, guitar & bass
transcriptions, sounds & pictures and back issues of the Rush mailing list
"National Midnight Star".

There is also a gopher service at syrinx (see the Internet Resources
article).

Directory: /floyd
Maintainer: David Schuetz (valinor!dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu)

Contains lyrics to all Pink Floyd songs.  Also interviews, articles,
discographies, reviews, and the Echoes mailing list FAQ."


 --- monkfish.nosc.mil [128.49.28.2]

Directory: /pub/reggae
Maintainer: Mike Pawka (mikey@monkfish.nosc.mil)

The reggae archives. Contains rec.music.reggae info, FAQs, lyrics,
article transcriptions, GIFs, audio, discographies, clubs and
a Jamaican patois dictionary.


 --- archive.phish.net [128.118.193.29]

Directory: /pub/phish
Maintainer: Lee Silverman (phish-archive@fuggles.acc.virginia.edu)

Phish archives. Contains FAQs, lyrics, chords, stories, etc.

To request files from the archive (if you don't have ftp):
phish-archives@phish.net.

To get on/off the digestified list (from rec.music.phish):
phish-request@phish.net
 
To post to PhishNet:
rec.music.phish (Usenet)
phish@phish.net (Mail)


 --- ftp.nevada.edu [131.216.1.11]

Directory: /pub/guitar
Directory: /pub/bass
Maintainer: James B. (jamesb@nevada.edu) 

Archive site for guitar and bass tablature music transcriptions. These
files are also available from the Music FTP Archive, and updates to
the archive are regularly posted to rec.music.info.


 --- bobcat.bbn.com [128.89.2.103]

Directory: /beatles
Maintainer: Bob Clements (clements@bbn.com)

Beatles archive. Notes and FAQs from rec.music.beatles, "Paul Is Dead"
hints, GIFs.


 --- netcom.com [192.100.81.100]

Directory: /pub/fobs/*
Maintainer: Eric Thompson (fobs-request@netcom.com)

Friends of the Bobs archive.  Mailing list logs, hotline transcriptions,
concert dates.  [Subscribe to list at above request address.]


 --- first.cac.washington.edu [140.142.113.104]

Directory: /pub/vincent-clarke
Maintainer: Tim Wood (bungi@u.washington.edu)

Vincent Clarke / Erasure archive. discographies, lyrics, mailing 
list logs.

Directory: /pub/lullaby
Maintainer: Tim Wood (bungi@u.washington.edu)

Book of Love archive. Mailing list logs.

Directory: /pub/introspective
Maintainer:  [*** UNKNOWN ***]

Pet Shop Boys archive. Mailing list logs, lyrics.


 --- ftp.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.113.52]

Directory: /pub/gabriel 
Maintainer: Joe Germuska (gabriel-request@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) 

Peter Gabriel archive. Lyrics, GIFs, digests.

Directory: /pub/crowded-house 
Maintainer: Marck Bailey (marck@nwu.edu) 

Crowded House archive. Lyrics, transcriptions, digests.

Directory: /pub/acoustic-guitar
Maintainer: Joe Germuska (j-germuska@nwu.edu)

"Acoustic" Guitar Bulletin archive. Alt.guitar stuff, transcriptions.

Directory: /pub/flatfields
Maintainer: Joe Germuska (j-germuska@nwu.edu)

Flat-Fields archive (Bauhaus, Love and Rockets, Peter Murphy). Lyrics, 
discographies, liner notes.


  --- gdead.berkeley.edu [128.32.213.24)

Directory: /pub/gdead
Maintainer: Mark Kraitchman (kraitch@eecs.berkeley.edu)

Grateful Dead archives. Discographies, lyrics, music, setlists, much more.


 --- cs.bu.edu [128.197.2.1]

Directory: /pub/ronbo
Maintainer: [*** UNKNOWN ***]

Grunge archives. Mailing lists logs, lyrics.


 --- ftp.ms.uky.edu [128.163.128.6]

Directory: /pub/misc/hey-joe
Maintainer: Joel Abbott (abbott@ms.uky.edu)

Jimi Hendrix archive. Mailing list logs, FAQ, reviews.

Directory: /pub/misc/janes-addiction 
Maintainer: Joel Abbott (abbott@ms.uky.edu)

Jane's Addiction archive. Mailing list logs, discographies, FAQ.

Directory: /pub/misc/tears4-fears
Maintainer: Joel Abbott (abbott@ms.uky.edu)

Tears For Fears archive. Mailing list logs, discographies, lyrics.


 --- remus.rutgers.edu [128.6.13.3]

Directory: /JethroTull 
Maintainer: Dave Steiner (steiner@remus.rutgers.edu)

Jethro Tull archive. Mailing list logs, lyrics, discographies, GIFs


 --- glia.biostr.washington.edu [128.95.10.115]

Directory: /pub/queensryche
Maintainer: Dan 'Shag' Birchall (queensryche-owner@pilot.njin.net)

Queensryche archive. "Screaming In Digital" digest back issues, 
lyrics, JPEG/GIFs, sounds.

Notice that only new information is stored here. All older files are
back-mirrored to ftp.uwp.edu (see entry for that site above).


 --- hardees.rutgers.edu [128.6.18.2]

Directory: /pub/hr 
Maintainer: jessica@hardees.rutgers.edu

Happy Rhodes archives. Artciles, FAQ, lyrics, digests, reviews.


 --- quartz.rutgers.edu [128.6.60.6]

Directory: /pub/journals/Strangeways
Maintainer: pirmann@cs.rutgers.edu 

The Smiths / Morrisey archive. Digest back issues, lyrics, discographies.


 --- net.bio.net[134.172.2.69]:

Directory: /misc/chalkhills
Maintainer: John M. Relph (relph@presto.ig.com)

XTC "Chalkhills" archive. Digests, lyrics, FAQ, discographies.
  
Directory: /misc/jitr
Maintainer: Michael C. Berch (jitr-request@presto.ig.com)

Sinead O'Connor "Jump In The River" archive. Digests, discographies,
lyrics, GIFs.


 --- ftp.uu.net

Directory: /usenet/rec.music.gaffa/kb
Maintainer: Bill wisner (wisner@uunet.uu.net)

Kate Bush stuff.


 --- insti.physics.sunysb.edu [129.49.21.110]

Directory: /pub/tmbg
Maintainer: Micah Anderson (micah@hardy.u.washington.edu)

They Might Be Giants mailing list archive. Lyrics, reviews, GIFS,
sounds, discography, etc.


 --- xcf.berkeley.edu [128.32.138.1]

Directory: misc/netjam
Maintainer: Craig Latta

The NetJam archives. Holds all the submissions, participant info, software,
and documentation for the NetJam project, as well as related documents,
including the extensive NetJam Electronic and Computer Music
Frequently-Asked Questions (FAQ) document.

To receive the document describing NetJam at length email
netjam-request@xcf, with the subject line "request for info".


 --- ftp.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.10]

Directory:  pub/music/
Maintainer: John McDonagh (morpheus@maths.tcd.ie)

This is a relatively small archive site with some lyrics and 
guitar TABs. It is not as big as Nevada, and has only a few
lyric files but it is more of a site for those who like
'Gothic' music or some of the more alternative music. 
Put anything in pub/music/incoming. you will not be turned away.
Get pub/music/INDEX for a list of what's there.


 --- nysernet.org [192.77.173.2]

Directory: /folk_music
Maintainer: [*** UNKNOWN ***]

Modern folk music information, including lyrics, discographies and
some concert listings.


 --- theory.lcs.mit.edu [18.52.0.92]

File: pub/wald/concert-calendar
Maintainer: David Wald (wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu)

An online calendar of (mostly) folk music concert listings in New England.


 --- bradley.bradley.edu [136.176.10.11]

Directory: /pub/EFN 
Maintainer: Pete Hartman (pwh@bradley.bradley.edu) 

The Industrial Music Archive. Back issues of the Escape From Noise digest,
industrial related discographies, some industrial related album lyrics
transcriptions and GIFs.


--- techno.stanford.edu

Directory: /pub/raves
Maintainer: Brian Behlendorf (bbehlen@techno.stanford.edu)

The main repository for rave-related info from around the world.  FAQ's,
discographies, mailing list archives, graphics programs, and dozens of
of rave flyers and other images in .jpg format.  This site is Gopher-able.

Directory: /pub/ambient
Maintainer: Mike Brown [ambient@techno.stanford.edu]

The Ambient Music Survey: A repository for information about ambient
musicians, labels, and miscellaneous info pertaining to ambient music.
This site is Gopher-able.


 --- wiretap.spies.com [130.43.3.3]

Directory: /Library/Music
Maintainer: [*** UNKNOWN ***]

A small site containing some music files, including mailing list archives
and discographies for a number of bands. Also some interesting
miscellaneous information.


 --- ftp.ircam.fr [129.102.1.1]

Directory: /pub/IRCAM
Maintainer: Michael Fingerhut

This site attempts to gather software and documentation about music
and dsp (digital signal processing).  In /pub/IRCAM, software (for the
Ispw, and ``how-to-get'' other licenced software) and bibliography (in
/pub/IRCAM/doc) from Ircam.  In /pub/music, other music-related
software.  In the other directories, according to name.


 --- ftp.funet.fi [128.214.6.100]

Directory: /pub/culture/music/indian
Maintainer: [*** UNKNOWN ***]

All Indian Classical Music informational files, including the complete
archives for rec.music.indian.*.

 
 --- ftp.sdsu.edu [130.191.224.8]

Directory: [*** UNKNOWN ***]
Maintainer: [*** UNKNOWN ***]

Many sound (.au format) files.


 --- aloysius.ee.tut.fi [130.230.101.25]

Directory: /zappa
Maintainer: [*** UNKNOWN ***]

Frank Zappa stuff.


 --- celtic.stanford.edu [36.96.0.54]

Directory: [*** UNKNOWN ***]
Maintainer: ceolas@celtic.standford.edu

Ceolas celtic music archive. Contains discographies on various celtic
bands, also schedules, FAQs, etc.


 --- hobbes.linfield.edu [192.147.171.2]

Directory: /pub/guitar
Maintainer: Dean Gaudet (dgaudet@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca)

This archive is intended for acoustic guitar tablature and chords.


-- 

--
Mike Dallin                               dallin@cs.colostate.edu
Moderator of Rec.Music.Info
"What you've trodden in's the truth, And that's the hardest thing
 To wash down with a glass of lemonade" -- XTC, The Ugly Underneath

------

    Getting the hang of it now, but a couple more questions. 
    
    1) If I don't have the node number available, how do I know what the
    correct address is? e.g. From your list I have no problem with 
    
    	ftp@129.186.150.150, but if I try ftp@iastate.edu (the same node)
    	I get:
    
    	530 Cannot connect: Connection refused
    
    If I try ftp@cs.iastate.edu (as in your ftp@cs.uwp.edu example) I get
    
    	530 hostname unknown.
    
    So how do I know what should come before the node name?
    
    2) Do I have to GET an ascii file from a node to read it? (If it were
    an ascii file on a VAX, I could of course just TYPE it to my screen
    without having to copy).
    
    And finally Chris, so I can stop hassling you, is there any
    documentation I can get hold of that explains all of this further?
    
    Once again, thanks for your help.
    
    Phil Gill.
    
    P.S. Moderator, I will take this offline if you wish, but I have kept
    it here as I expect there may be a few other people that are
    benefitting from Chris's help.
                                   

>    1) If I don't have the node number available, how do I know what the
>    correct address is? e.g. From your list I have no problem with 
>    
>    	ftp@129.186.150.150, but if I try ftp@iastate.edu (the same node)

crl.dec.com should be able to figure out the internet address itself;
the problem you're getting is because of some inconsistencies in the
list (I just checked, and iastate.edu has a different address to the
one shown...)  Any unreachable nodes are probably due to changes at
the local computer centre, which will (hopefully!) eventually be reflected
in updates to the list, which I will try to remember to post here
periodically.

>    2) Do I have to GET an ascii file from a node to read it? (If it were
>    an ascii file on a VAX, I could of course just TYPE it to my screen
>    without having to copy).
 
Unfortunately, you do have to GET a document before you can view
it, which is a bit of a pain...
   
>    And finally Chris, so I can stop hassling you, is there any
>    documentation I can get hold of that explains all of this further?
    
I don't really know of VMS documentation, but I can mail you a copy of
the Unix FTP manual page, which should be pretty much the same (I don't
think I should post that in here!)
Cheers,

Chris.

    Thanks Chris, the type of documentation I was after was more
    Internet-related. I have since managed to FTP a load of it from various
    sites. Incidentally, within that documenation I found that if you do
    GET filename tt, it allows you to read the file without copying it
    (this is on a VAX).
    
    Phil Gill.

    Hi,
    	I've been reading through these notes and I'm interested in
    INTERNET. Could you please mail me a copy of the UNIX FTP manual as
    well. I don't know much about the whole thing so any help would be
    gratefully received. I'm based in South Queensferry,Scotland.
    
    					thanks
    
    						.....ROD.
    

    One more question Chris. News groups. What are they? To add a bit of
    relevance, 48.214 in the MUSIC conference gives the Pink Floyd tour
    dates as posted in Article 109 of alt.music.pink-floyd.
    
    What is alt.music.pink-floyd? Is it a mailing list, a "conference" or
    what? In the rest of that note there are some clues as to where it came
    from (doc.ic.ac.uk). I've had a good rummage round that site
    (particularly the USENET directory) - lots of interesting stuff but no 
    sign of the tour information. Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
    
    Phil Gill.

>    What is alt.music.pink-floyd? Is it a mailing list, a "conference" or
>    what? In the rest of that note there are some clues as to where it came
>    from (doc.ic.ac.uk). I've had a good rummage round that site
>    (particularly the USENET directory) - lots of interesting stuff but no 
>    sign of the tour information. Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
    
newsgroups are not dissimilar to VAX notes, except that they are often
unmoderated, and therefore rely on their correspondants to prevent them
from falling into complete anarchy.  To access a newsgroup you need to
find a newsreader, ie VNEWS for VMS (nasty) or TIN, TRN or NN for UNIX
(groovy), and a server (in GB this would be either DECUK or
vodka.wlo.dec.com).  For more details of newsreaders, mail me offline
so we don't clog this thing up too much with technicalities!

The newsgroups of interest to music fans are:
	rec.music.misc - general discussion about (mostly) rock/pop
	alt.music.alternative - discussion about alternative/indie
		bands, has a lot of write only noters
	alt.music.progressive - progressive music discussion, mostly
		Yes, Crimson, Tull, etc
	rec.music.gaffa - allegedly progressive discussion, but mostly
		Kate Bush & Tori Amos
	rec.music.info (moderated) - discographies, reviews, concert info
	alt.gothic - discussion about Sisters, Nephs (and vampires, for the
		saddoes).
to name but a few.  There's loads of other groups to discuss more specific
subjects like Grateful Dead, Enya, Deep Purple, Billy Joel, computer music,
journalism, karaoke, etc,etc,etc.

A final note; note numbers in Usenet News are completely random, so don't
use them as a referance; and you have to be quick if you want to catch
up on a group as they're normally aged off after around a week.

re .14,

I'll mail you a copy of the FTP page when I can figure out a sensible way
of converting it to a readable format!  (Previous attempts were a dismal
failure...)

Chris.

    	Thanks Chris for the mail you sent me.....the FTP manual etc. It
    gave me some idea of what everything means!!!
    	Does anyone know how I can download information eg lyrics, into my
    directory so I can print them out or read them?
    	All answers gratefully received. Thanks.
    
    					ROD.

Once you connect and go to the appropriate directory doesn't "get filename"
work?

/Ed

    re -1. Sure does.
    
    Rod, if you want some help in getting going, mail me offline and I'll
    pass on the benefit of my recent experience in getting going on this
    (and Chris Hedley's of course :-)).
    
    Phil Gill.
    (use SHAWB1::GILLILANDP)