Conference marvin::uk_music

    Is Lemmy out of detox yet?

    
    Yeah, but Def Leppard have *always* been shite!

Ah, shite maybe, but what lyrics; "Let's get the rock out of here" and "Suppose
a rock's out of the question" are works of genius (as adolescent music goes).
And how about all those tasteful shots of half the drummer? (Ooof!)

Lee

    Yuk yuk yuk !
    
    And the guitarists image was somewhat er... No, thats cruel!

    What possesed you to look for Acned foreskins on TOTP
    
    Give us a break!!!!

    .5
    
    A wind up perchance?

    

    Nicey and Smashy hosting TOTP? It was a dream come true. As for 
    Blackie Lawless of Wasp, whatever happened to the chainsaw cod-piece?
    Actually, if I remember rightly it was'nt just any old chainsaw cod 
    -piece but an exploding chainsaw cod-piece. More Spinal Tap than
    Spinal Tap. Wasp live shows would also act as a vehicle for Mr
    Lawless' "New Man" sensitivities. This would involve Lawless
    (what a name) whipping a naked female strapped to a rack with a 
    hood over her head. Definitely not sponsored by Camden Council this
    man. 
    
    barry.  
    
    

    
    Re .7
    
    Sounds like a typical meeting at Gateway House!
    
    Mark

    Didn't think much of their new format last night with those
    two very unfunny DJ's.  In fact didn't think much of any of it
     - Kim Sims is so ugly, song sounds just like last one etc etc.
    
    When they showed Cher at the end, is she hosting it or singing 
    next week?  If she is hosting it, what are TOTPS trying to achieve?
    
    Bewildered
    

    I think next weeks show should the tri-mungus triumvirate of
    Freeman/Nicey/Smashy. Tony Blackbun would be welcome too. Kim
    Sims may be a rip off but ugly? Hermmm.......
    
    barry.
    

    
    Ummm Cher being on would Orgas-mungus I suspect, but then she does do a
    lot for charity (but doesn't like to talk about it!).
    
    Mark

    Well Smashey and Nicey are preferable to the usual giggling, screeching
    bimbos and geeks normally presenting TOTP.

    
    "And at number 7 its Ce Ce, erm"
    
    "Thats pronounced Peniston mate"
    
    Poptastic,
    	Ian.

    Why do you keep saying poptastic

    !! ROCKADOCKADABULOUS !!! (Mate!)
    
    								- JIM CAD*

    I love songs, kinda like books in song like form........poptastic mates
    
    Bazza
    

    
    Yep, 
    
    But Ian doesn't like to talk about it.
    
    Mark

    15 + 17
     
    
    Yeah mate.  Well funny

    Hi y'all
    I'm still trying to learn how to use this..... I'll try again
    today...... I am in the land of Oz (sydney {Rhodes}) but I am
    originally from LUTON TOWN (Yeah, Yeah don't get too excited).
    Basically i'm abit homesick on the music front and would looove
    if one of you fantabulous peeps could keep me updated on what's what
    over there at the mo.  We have Video Hits every sat. and sun. mornings
    over here which are gradually catching up with the UK - but that's 
    about it really.
    No, I don't do any "work for charity" (well, I wouldn't like to talk
    about it)!!!
    Pls respond ....ANYONE
    Thanks/Byeee
    Ursula  
    

    
    Morning,
    
       Do you listen to JJJ the public broadcasting station, when I was
     in Australia it was undoubtedly the superior radio station. The depth
     and breath of music not to mention one particular totally of
     the planet DJ " Maaaaaaynard", broadened my music sphere considerably.
     
       Unfortunately there was a major clear out of the radicals  Amanda 
     Collinge, Biggsy etc when I was there. Sad indeed that in a public
     station commercialism has crept in. 
    
       One rather amusing incident and one which perhaps set the tone for
    the entire station is when, during industrial action regarding the
    freedom of speech in the context of the right to play NWA's "Fu*k the
    Police". The station staff simply played NWA's "Express yourself" over
    and over again ad infinetum (sp). 
    
       Listening to Triple J, should keep you in touch with the better
    aspects of European, American, African, and obviousily OZ/NZ music.
    
       Are an Aboriginal band called Scrap Metal  from Broome, West
    Australia still on the go ?
    
      Richard . 

    Hi Richard
    Thanks for your reply 	
    I have 'dabbled' with JJJ now and again and enjoyed it too!!!
    However, I don't get alot of time to listen to it working these bastard
    shifts that I do.... Boo Hoo
    I have not heard of the group 'Scrap Metal' and have asked around about
    them but I'm told that they're not around any more ...sorry matteeee.
    If you like.... I will look around for anything of theirs and send it
    to you - let me know 
    have fun
    Ursula
    

    
    Not that I like Def Leppard (I don't), but I dislike Geldof even more
    and I think he should keep drug induced trap to himself. The guy has no
    talent, and is basically riding on the success of his past crappy
    antics and thinks he is now a celebrity and is hip and cool.
    
    Def Leppard, love 'em or hate 'em, may write cheesy lyrics, but they're
    making music for a market, somewhere, which is more than old Greasy
    chops of doing.
    
    -Tony

    Don't slag off Bob.  He may not have vast amounts of technical talent, 
    but he has the guts to say what he thinks, and believes.  When Def
    Leppard have saved as many lives as that man has then I think that I
    will give them more credit.  Until then,  they are an insult to most
    humans inteligence.  -  Three albums in about fourteen years is
    complete shite.!!!!!
    
    
    Nigel
    

    <<< Note 997.24 by NEWOA::DALLISON "Time out, this is the real world" >>>

    
    Not that I like Def Leppard (I don't), but I dislike Geldof even more
    and I think he should keep drug induced trap to himself. The guy has no
    talent, and is basically riding on the success of his past crappy
    antics and thinks he is now a celebrity and is hip and cool.

Drug Induced? Sue Bob, Sue!

Geldof has never confessed to being talented. He has, in his own words, 'a
bloody awful voice'. He is a celebrity. He probably doesn't know the
meaning of 'hip and cool'.

dougie

I like neither Geldof nor Def Leppard to any great degree, but I do admire (as
was said) a guy who can just say what he thinks about stupid gits writing lame
lyrics on prime-time TV! Good on him for that much... I wonder how many 14-year-
old metal-teenies were up in arms? :-)

"
Dear Sir,

	I'd like to moan about Bob Geddoff on Top Of the Pops last night. I bet
he hasn't never even listened to the lyrics, they're fab and I ....
"

								- JIM CAD*

    
    Ha! I thought that would get all the old farts ranting in here. 
    
    Interesting to see that Def Leppard are doing backing vocals on Drug
    Geldofs new single.

    Which I heard on the Chart Show on Saturday morning (not exactly the
    most 'Right-on' Prog in the world,  but who cares)  And I think is
    absolutely brilliant.   Best single of the Year for me without a doubt.
    (Don't ask me how it goes though 'cos I can't remember).  Good video
    aswell.
    
    Nigel
    

    Also Tony,  what is wrong with being in a drug induced state?
    
    Better than the real world after all.  
    
    Most of the best art has been created whilst in a state of anebriation
    (sp?) of some kind. 
    
    Nigel

>            <<< Note 997.30 by PEKING::BARKERN "Dries in minutes" >>>
>
>    Also Tony,  what is wrong with being in a drug induced state?
>    
>    Better than the real world after all.  

Off course it is, Nige. 

Dougie

    Well, it seems as though soon it will be a case of the Last Last
    Night on Top of the Pops as speculation suggests that this 
    Thursday eveining institution will be subject to the director's
    chopper (oo-err!). 
    
    The demise of the 7" single and it's sales, the public's and
    especially "the kids" changing attitudes to pop culture; the
    way they buy it and the tastes they have, has obviously had a 
    profound effect on a show based, initially on the sales of 
    singles. TOTP more recently adapted it's format to cater for 
    increasing public demand for long playing CDs/Tapes/Vinyl so it
    remains to be seen whether the show expands that feature to occupy
    more programme time. 
    
    I personally feel it's had it's day. The name lends itself more
    to an era when 7" singles were shifted in their hundreds of thousands
    by an assortment of singles groups to a younger buying public where 
    Pop and music culture played a bigger part in their lives. The late 
    80's, 90's obsession with "lifestyle" and the fact that each 
    successive generation improves on the last in terms of choice 
    (Television, video, computers, game consoles...) has proved a 
    distraction to the position that three minutes of black plastic once
    enjoyed. Also people are now more likely to go out and buy the new 
    Simply Red or Michael Jackson album rather than buy the single as
    sales have shown. 
    
    barry.
    
    
    
    
    
     
    
    

    
    Aren't a lot of the sales of that awful 'achey breaky heart' the result
    of a single appearance on TOTP ?
    
    Paul

    re .last
    
    I don't know that one Paul. I'm not saying TOTP has lost it's 
    influence on the buying public but in order to get on the programme
    you really don't need to sell as many records as you used to. As a 
    result the charts IMHO have become more interesting with a lot
    more appearances by growing indie (label or attitude) bands with
    a good core of fans. 10-15 years ago you'd need a good 150,000
    in sales to get a number one, nowadays I'd be surprised if band
    need half of that amount.
    
    barry.

    Which is why good bands no longer appear on TOTP because the mature
    majority listeners usually opt to buy the albums rather than the
    singles. 
    
    Is this a load of old cobblers?
    
    P.S. I'm Rupert and i'm new to conferencing.  (8* )

It was interesting to hear Pete Waterman's comments on
TV am the other morning.

Major labels release singles from albums.  Hence most
singles released by known artists are available on
albums so the public buy the albums.  This was not the
case years ago.  The Beatles released singles that 
weren't on albums, forcing serious fans to buy the singles
and the albums.

Nowadays the dance bands that can't get it together 
enough to release an album just release singles.  Since
this is the only way of getting the music, a lot of
dance music gets into the charts.

Makes sense to me.

tp

As an only occasional visitor to Britain these days, TOTP is essential
viewing. It does seem to show the music that people are actually listening 
to. It and the ITV Chart Show.

And I can't see the demise of the single, no matter what medium it apppears
on. Record company marketing is tied to hit tunes. That's what videos are
for. And single tunes hit the mood of the moment better than an album ever
can. How often have you bought an lp on the strength of a single and found
that the single was the only bit worth listening to?

So I'd be sad if TOTP died. But I think there's plenty of room for it to
start featuring records from some of the specialised charts that exist
these days, much like the Chart Show does. 


Rod

    Did anyone see TOTP last night on UK_Gold, It was from 1978 I think as
    "Your the one that I want" was No1, It featured class acts like 
    Johnathan King with "One for you, One for me"  and Dollar 
    "Shooting Star"    NOT..!!
    

    The Undertones were on doing "Teenage Kicks"  Elvis Costello with 
    "Radio Radio" and The Boomtown Rats with "Rat trap"  PIL with
    " Public Image"  there was also E.L.O with Legs & CO dancing to 
    "Sweet talking woman"  But they saved the best till last......
     after No 1 had been played we were treated to that all time classic  
    "Dippity Do , Dippity Day"  By Father Abriham (sp) and the Smurfs..
    
    
    Steve.  
                                                   

    Was it East 17 of was it Take That who sang a song with one of them
    seated at a piano? Whoever they were, the "piano player" clearly has no
    understanding of how to actually play the instrument, even if he was
    only miming. But I don't expect that comes as a surprise to anybody.
    
    Phil Gill.

That reminds me of when East 17 were on the European MTV awards.  Before the 
show, they were called in to mess around (or Jam, as us old fashioned blokes 
like to call it) with Ray Cokes (presenter) and zig & zag.  They dawdled over 
to some instruments, and the "pianist" (or at least it sounds like "pianist" 
<wink>) attempted pathetically to play a basic tune.  Needless to say, he 
failed.  They are clearly a bunch of talentless to$$ers.  Come back Bros, all is 
forgiven - at least one of them could play the drums!

    It was East 17, one of them sits there, pretends to play the piano
    and wails "stay now" while the rest of them wail too. Still, could
    be worse, it could be Boyzone, Ireland's answer to Take That
    (described in a London newspaper as a sub-standard Take That (is
    that possible) with a stunning (!) cover of the Osmonds classic
    "Love me for a reason".
    
    Jane.

    What was all that Black Grape nonsense on TOTP last night, I can not
    believe people have bought that single...incredible.

    I thnk that it came over badly on tv - I only caught part of it - 
    I've heard it several times on radio recently, and think its wonderful. 
    play it loud n groove away...it's good to see that cultural icon known
    as Bez back again.                         
    
     How come Pulp and Radiohead aren't playing Glastonbury?
    
    mikef

[Black Grape]

	It sounded very Happy Mondays to me (I know there's good reason
	for why, but why bother calling yourself anything but Happy
	Mondays).  Oh, and none of them can dance.

/g

what was that Baby D crap?  I quite liked the last song, but taking a
sloooowwww ballad and redoing it over a ridiculous prodigy-style beat,
I just don't understand.  MAybe I'm too old.

    
    re: Baby D crap
    
    I think this was the subject of a bit of legal action pressed on the
    publishers/owners of the recording recently (still going through I
    think).  R1 did an article on it yesterday, saying that some other
    publisher had the rights to use the song, and the Baby D stuff was just
    a blatant rip-off that hadn't even been re-worked to distinguish it
    from the original, alegedly.
    
    Not that it matters to any of us if we all think it's kak (which I
    happen to think).
    
    Chris.

    Yup - I think its kak also.
    
    mikef

Mike, I believe Pulp are playing the Heineken free festival.  (Roundhay park, I  
think).  Looks like they've stopped the Heineken festival from touring Britain.  
Shame, cos I remember seeing Fairport Convention, Manic Street Preachers, Mike 
Peters and (ugh) Hazel O'Connor there one year (at the Swansea one).

re Black Grape (?), it sounds better on the radio.  Mind you, anyone who makes 
a  song with the (original as hell!) lyrics "Oh come all ye faithfull, joyful 
and triumphant" deserves a kicking...

    It amazes me that things like Baby D and the Nightcrawlers regularly
    get into the top 10 when bands like Dodgy are lucky to get a place in
    the top 40.....
    
    (btw I don't think KAK are kak, because they were a great psychedelic
    band!)

    
    re:.47
    
    >>Mike, I believe Pulp are playing the Heineken free festival.
    
    Gibber gibber gibber.  Gimme the date.
    
    >>Looks like they've stopped the Heineken festival from touring...
    
    Shame, it was excellent to be able to see such a good free gig locally.
    
    Dr Feelgood and Jah Wobble were the highlights that I got to see over
    the past few years in Southsea.  It always seemed like a much better
    bet to hang around in Southsea supping cheap beer and listening to good
    free music than spend a fortune to get pissed on (literally) and
    general battered listening to five hours of crap followed by a few good
    bands at the Monsters of Rock (it was on the same weekend for a few
    years).
    
    Chris.

>    >>Mike, I believe Pulp are playing the Heineken free festival.
    
>    Gibber gibber gibber.  Gimme the date.

I saw Pulp at last year's T in the Park (in the tent, so it was more like a
normal gig).  I thought it was trash, they love themselves far too much.
Just my 2p.

I thought KAK was a beer, or is that KWAK?

Guy

    
    Guy, S'OK, each to their own and all that.  I'm just interested in them
    'cos they're the first Sheffield band of any use for many a year (I
    think).  Matt, don't even think about mentioning Deaf Lionness.
    
    Chris.

    
    Hmm...reminds me of your housemate (Jane?).  Sorry, personal rathole
    there...
    
    Chris.

uh-oh.....you have to banish these thoughts, Chris....what was I saying about 
desperation?  Ah, wrong conf...8-)

I thought the mighty Human League were from Sheffield too.  And Level 42.
Not proud of these fine exports Chris?

Guy

    
    >>I thought the mighty Human League were from Sheffield too...
    
    Indeed they are.  Long time ago that they were a new band though...
    there hasn't been a new band as such for a long time - what year did
    The Human League make it big?  Level 42 were OK in their time too, but
    living in Southsea and around the Isle of Wight you get fed up with
    dodgy guitar salesmen trying to flog you that geezers old basses (no
    joke!).
    
    Chris.

    Weren't ABC from Sheffield too?

And Living in a Box?

    
    This is true, all those wonderful songs about the Hyde Park flats (that
    Challenge Anneka screwed up in the interests of 'entertaining' TV, just
    in time for the world student games a few years ago).  Bet she was
    surrounded by uzi toting body-guards.
    
    Chris.

    Are Pulp number 1 yet?

    No, it's still Robson & Jerome.

    Watching Michelle Gayle on TV, especially TOTP, makes me want to
    throw something very heavy at my TV screen. Has she done a "Pamela
    Anderson"?

    The few seconds that I had the sound on during ToTP made me want to do
    the same thing...that fake street cred accent...
    
    mikef

    Also, I actually watched the Michael Jackson video last night on Totp. 
    I've not heard the song before, it doesn't have much tune does it?  I
    don't know if the video is worth all that money, or what it has to do
    with the song, but I like the 'look' of it, all that harsh black n
    white, and the hair/eye make up on the girl in the video is quite
    effective.
    
    Mikef

>>>>>on the girl in the video is quite effective.

errr...Janet Jackson, Mike.  Janet Jackson.

She looked flippin' awful in that video.  I find it hard to believe that he 
couls have wasted 6million on that...

I still think that Suede's video for "The Wild Ones" was better 8-)  Jackson is 
an absolute freak.  Like I said yesterday (somewhere), he scares me, cos he 
doesn't look human.  Yeuch...

As for Michelle Gayle, she's just a mindless tart.  Ignore her.

    Sorry - didnt know it was her...still think the eye/hair make up is
    interesting though..but Michael certainly doesn't look normal...
    
    Never go to see the Suede video.  
    
    mikef

    Did you hear about MJs publicity stunt yesterday...a 30ft statue of
    himself floating up and down the Thames..ridiculous.
    
    His video wasn't much cop either.

    Let Liam stick to the vocals Noel.
    
    Phil Gill.

    Which is the one without the John Lennon beard?

    Thats Noel - looks like Parker from Thunderbirds.
    
    Mikef

    Last ever TT performance on TOTP and very nice it was too..thought
    Oasis were magic of course..won't last at number one though cause the
    TT boys are coming for the final time..sob!!  
    
    Andrea

    How come they were kissing each other at the start...is that allowed?
    
    Mikef

    I think that was in reply to numerous reports that they had all fallen
    out..that Mark was "losing" it, nervous breakdown and had called Gary
    an arrogant B****d.  All of which may be true but knowing TT they
    wouldn't want to do a Robbie and start whining about it. 
    
    they've always been a bit touchy, feely though, so it's not much of 
    shock and doesn't indicate their sexuality in any way :-) They are
    straight !!
    
    Andrea

    I'll take your word for it....;-)
    
    mikef

    
    re .74
    
    I believe the phrase we are looking for is "living in hope"
    
    
    :^)

    Well, last night I decided I would try and watch Top of the Pops.  I
    missed the beginning, so I have no idea who that Cher-wannabe
    presenting was
    
    an exclusive presentation of George Michaels new song?  Should have
    been exclusively presented to the dustbin.  Talk about a triumph of
    form over content - tuneless, bland,  drivel that only goes to prove he
    has no ideas in his head.  He wrote some cracking pop tunes ten years
    ago,  but this was a complete insult.  And what a waste of an expensive
    video.  Complete garbage that can only appeal to people with an IQ
    smaller than their shoe size.
    
    And it was followed by The b****y Cranberries.  The sight of Delores
    'look at the size of my willy' Riordan makes me want to strap on my
    walking boots and give her a serious kicking.  
    
    And as for The Cure - God knows I worship Robert Smith to the tips of
    his pinky toes, but this is a half formed tune that sounds like a left
    over from the KM3 sessions.  You know someone is on the way out when
    they have to add that special 'Tijuana' feel - eooh eooh eooh indeed.    
    
    I switched off after a few seconds of the No 1, more bland drivel.
    
    
    
    Sorry.
    
    Mikef$grumpy

    I'd heard earlier in the day what the line-up was and decided not to
    bother. I did have the TV on from about 7.15 but I was busy and not
    really paying much attention. I agree with you about Dolores, she
    sounds like a poor (wo)man's Feargal Sharkey with the wobbly voice.
    
    As for the Cure, I can take them or leave them, after last night's
    performance of that awful song, I think I'll leave them.
    
    Goldy.

    Great! more people who hate the Cranberries. That performance last
    night was incredible, what a load of (expletive deleted), the fact that
    that is in the charts, is to me, mind-blowing. You might hate Mike
    Oldfield, but at least you don't have to hear his records all day on
    the radio, and constantly see him on TOTP.
    
    dickie. grrrrr.

    Yup, I had the misfortune to catch the Cranberries last night. Complete
    cobblers, like everything else that was on TotP. Irredemable shite,
    that's what that program is.
    
    Balders
    
    PS I don't hate Mike Oldfield

    re : Craberries - well I did like them but after a daft appearance, and
    c**p song ....
    
    re : George Michael- vid is obviously an attempt at dragging people's
    attention off a boring, mindless ditty.
    
    TOTP was great a few months back for a while but has now gone downhill
    rapidly.  There seemed to be a couple of months before/after Xmas where
    there was loads of good stuff in the charts,  my bulging record cabinet
    and shrinking wallet could hardly keep up, now there's not much around
    and TOTP seems to be reflecting that
    
    Euan

Re the Cranberries,

I didn't need to see last night's performance, I already hated them with a 
passion, particularly that nasty woman who `sings' for them.

Chris.

    
    I successfully avoided everything else on TOTP last night, but The Cure
    were, as ever, totally magnificent. Awesome performance. 
    
    Leonie.

    Hmmm...do I detect bias?
    
    mikef

    I thought it might be.
    
    Balders

    
    No mention of the WildHearts ? I thought they alone made TOTP worth
    watching ! I sufferred George Michael and The Cranberries with the
    rest of you but switched of when the video promoting the exploitation
    of poor people in South America came on....
    
    G.

    >> And it was followed by The b****y Cranberries.  The sight of Delores
        'look at the size of my willy' Riordan makes me want to strap on my
        walking boots and give her a serious kicking.
    
    eeerrr I ran out of the room when she started screeching on about
    "inject yourself with liberty. 'cos it's free" WHAT? No wonder the
    Americans love this! They can keep them! BTW Mikef what was this bit
    about willies?!?! And you do sound a little violent this morning. Mind
    you we are discussing the Cranberries - So you crack on!!
    
    >> WildHearts ? <--- Doh! I knew there was some reason to watch last
    night!!
    
    
    
    				Stretch.

    Sorry, missed the Wildhearts...
    
    Apologies if I sound a bit uptight, I'm having a bad week.  Actually,
    I'm just having a bad life...
    
    m

    No No you misunderstand Mike. I'm all for these outbursts (as long as I
    agree with the target!). What about the cranberries/willy point
    though???
    
    
    				Stretch.

    Dunno - Dolores just made that impression on me...
    
    mikef
    
    (Good Orbital pics in NME also!)

    
    The WildeHearts were first on (I think ?)... due mainly to some pretty
    good lighting Ginge looked like a cross between his usually manic self,
    and an extra from 'Lost Boys', something happened at the end of the
    song too - they seemed to get cut-off rather abruptly.
    
    Graham

    Who was the presenter last night 'cos she was pants! Mind you Chris
    Eubank is presenting next weeks. The mind boggles.
    
    
    			Stretch.

    
    What do you mean?  Last night WAS Chris Eubank!

    DOH!

    
    We should be able to guess who's on - or not on - then, no bands with
    names he can't pronounce, nobody too well dressed, and probably nobody
    over 5'3" just in case he has to stand near to them... 
    
    G.

    But who was the woman on this weeks show????????????????????????????
    
    
    				Stretch.

Some Dutch (I think) model.  I heard someone blathering on with her on Radio 1 
yesterday (I had to put up with the drivel whilst I was rewinding `Sad Kenny's 
Gothic Compilation tape' again)

Chris.

    Her name was something like Bear van Beers, I think.
    
    Goldy.

    According to her interview on PM on Radio 4 on Thursday (honest) she's
    just a fan from abroad who's been pestering the ToTP production team
    for months/years, by phone, mail and fax, on the basis that she loves
    the programme and would love to present it. Then this week the original
    guest presenter pulls out (on Tuesday?) so she gets the call. On the
    interview she sounded quite interesting though I can't remember much
    now. I didn't see much of the TV 'cos I forgot (not having watched ToTP
    for years)... 

    Thought Ocean Colour Scene were excellent on TOTP on Friday, as was
    Paul Weller..but I'm a bit biased towards them both really.  I really
    really don't like the number one though, it's okay but when I first
    heard it I remember thinking it wouldn't get anywhere..  
    
    Just shows what I know but I think it's nowt special... not as good as
    Football's coming home, three Lions..!!!!
    
    Andrea