Conference marvin::uk_music

    AAAH! Stuart Everyone's Forgotten about you in this one. Any way,
    dont worry Ed will confirm that I've got an expert on this sitting
    next to me. He's a bit shy though and going home now anyway. You
    start again and hopefully we can get it going again.
    
    Rich per pro New Order fan in Response.

    Festive, or what?  Only one NO track in the 50, they must be slipping. 
    I was surprised that The Pixies were only 6 votes behind The Sundays, i
    had money on The Sundays walking it.  
    Best part of the yule celebrations for me.
    
    Mikef

So when are we gonna see a list? I haven't had enough festivities...Ed

    Yep, can someone who knows, tell me what the fifty were ? Were Loop
    or Spacemen3 in it anywhere ?
    
    Juju
    

    Probably be able to type it in on Wednesday, its bound to be printed in
    this weeks NME.  Spacemen 3 and Hypnotise were in their somewhere, 20s
    poss?
    
    Mikef

    This is a complete guess from David who's gonna try and get as far
    as he can
    
    50-40ish
    
    Inspiral carpets
    Inspiral Carpets
    Morrisey-'Interesting Drug'
    Wedding Present-'What have I said now?'
    Pop Guns
    Pixies
    
    
    40-30
    
    Pixies
    Pixies
    Wedding Present-'Bewitched'
    
    He cant remember any more but the feel of it was
    
    Stone Roses-'I wanna be adored'
    New Order-'vanishing Point'
    'All that Hardcore crap'
    Sundays
    More Pixies
    More Stone Roses
    J &MC
    Ian McCulloch
    Happy Mondays
    De La Soul
    Sonic Youth
    Birdland 'in the 40's'
    Spacemen 3
    
    This is pointless. We'll have a full list from 50-21 tomorrow.
    That will be better!
    
    Sorry to have bored you all.
    
    Rich(typing only!) + David (changing his name cos theres too many
    around)
    
    

The Sundays - Can't be Sure was No.1
The Pixies - Monket Gone to Heaven was second
I think it was Happy Mondays - WFL that was third, maybe Stone Roses were third.

James - Sit down was 7 or 8, Inspiral Carpets - Joe was one above that ... 
anyway this seems a bit haphazard ... I taped most of it so I'll bring in the 
tapes, listen to them and jot down those numbers/places.

Seems between the third place and second there was only 6 votes or so, was
this mentioned in a previous note ... I do believe so!

Number 50 was a Inspiral Carpets track, and I do believe that they were the most
represented band in the chart (other contenders were Wedding Present/Pixies).

One track which I thought really stood out was "She Moves Through the Fair" by
Inspiral Carpets, part of their session which Peel also played as one of the
sessions of 89.

In my opinion the 88 chart was a much better chart and I had that on tape until
some git in Glasgow decided he wanted my car stereo and thought he would take 
the tapes while he was about it (plus several jackets).

Moan moan gripe moan ...

>>some git in Glasgow decided he wanted my car stereo and thought he would take 
>>the tapes while he was about it (plus several jackets).

Yeah! And we didn't even get a newspaper article about it! (See U2 note)

    
    OK Here it is at last:
    
    1 The Sundays....................Cant Be sure
    2 The Weddoes....................Kennedy
    3 The Pixies.....................Debaser
    4 Happy Mondays..................WFL
    5 The Pixies.....................Monkey gone to heaven
    6 The Stone Roses................I am the Resurrection
    7 The Stone Roses................She Bangs the Drums
    8  James.........................Sit Down
    9 Inspiral Carpets...............Joe
    10 House of Love.................I dont know why I love you
    11 Pale saints...................Sight of you
    12 Dinasaur jr...................Just like Heaven
    13 J+MC..........................Blues from a Gun
    14 The Weddoes...................Take Me
    15 Cud...........................Only a Prawn in Whitby
    16 Mudhoney......................You got it!
    17 The Stone Roses...............Made of Stone
    18 Moz...........................Last of the famous.....
    19 The Weddoes...................Brassneck
    20 Moz...........................ouija board
    21 Inspiral Carpets..............Find out why
    22 808 State.....................Pacific State
    23 The Stone Roses...............Fools Gold
    24 The Weddoes...................Bewitched
    25 Pale Saints...................She rides the waves
    26 The Field Mice................Sensitive
    27 New Order.....................Vanishing Point
    28 Birdland......................Hollow Heart
    29 The Stone Roses...............I wanna be adored
    30 The Telescopes................Perfect Needle
    31 Bob...........................Convienience
    32 Jesus Jones...................Info Freako
    33 Spacemen 3....................Hypnotised
    34 De la Soul....................Eye Know
    35 Inspiral Carpets..............So this is how it feels
    36 Pixies........................Wave of Mutilation
    37 Pixies........................Here comes your man
    38 The Fall......................Dead beat descendant
    39 DubSex........................Swerve
    40 Birdland......................Paradise
    41 Galaxie 500...................Dont let our youth go to waste
    42 The Senseless things..........Too much Kissing
    43 Pixies........................Dead
    44 Snuff.........................Not Listening
    45 The Weddoes...................What have I said now?
    46 The Popguns...................Landslide
    47 Moz...........................Interesting drug
    48 The Family Cat................Tom Verlaine
    49 Inspiral Carpets..............Directing traffic
    50  Inspiral Carpets.............She comes in the fall
    
    PHEW!!!!!!!!!!!
    Ok Whos gonna type the NME readers poll out?
    
    
    
    Rich.

    Ok - so which of those groups/artists are going to make it in 1990,
    and why ?
    
    Rich (who-remembers-the-sex-pistols-heading-the-pole)

    
    We reckon The Stone Roses are going to be massive in 1990 as the
    hype reaches the mainstream market and USA. It'll be interesting
    to see how far they go with the aid of this compared to the strength
    of their material. Fools Gold was different from the album, so what
    is the  next step? At the moment they appear to be in a really
    commanding position which could see them go on to incredible success
    or mass dissillusion on the part of their audience.
    
    Happy Mondays will be bigger as they reach a greater audience
    through the style of their new material and also partly riding on
    the back of the whole Manchester hype. The situation is different
    from that of the SR's. At present they have appeared to have found
    a good niche which appeals to both the indie scene and the Dance
    scene.                                                          
    
    The question is where will bands be when the Manchester rave deflates?
    Will the audience remain faithful or jump on the next bandwagon?
    
    These are two completely seperate situations. Happy Mondays have
    prospered far more through the progression of their music and the
    things they have to say. This degree of 'commercialisation' for
    want of a better word is comparable to that of New Order's(also
    on Factory Records)wheras The Stone Roses seem to be far more at
    the mercy of the media. Both however we feel will enjoy great success
    at least for 1990.
    
    
    Rich + Aloysius
    

    I don't really think the Manchester scene is a bandwagon, more
    something invented by the press because the most popular indie style
    groups at the moment happen to come from Manchester.  I can't see it as
    a bandwagon that fans are jumping on and off of.
    
     Remember back at the start of the decade we had ABC, Human League,
    Heaven 17, etc, all hailing from Sheffield.  I can't remember liking
    them because of thier city ( although I do love the place!!), and I
    certainly didn't buy Bummed becuase the group were Mancunians (another
    wonderfull place).
    
    How about the Birmingham scene (Stuffies, Poppies, and some other more
    obscure bands)?  We demand the Wolverhampton scene!!
    
    I am getting a bit sick of reading about the Stone Roses tho'...but I
    don't think its their fault if all the press are writing about them.
    The press are just being irritating with wanting to cover them a great
    deal.
    They don't seem to have much 'Hype' in terms 'Marketing/promotion'  (Is
    this what we mean by Hype??).
    
     Or am I rambling
    
    Mikef

    
    Mike,
    
    I agree with you, I feel sorry for the Stone Roses because of the
    huge pressure they have been put under by the media. The hype I
    was relating to was in terms of NME singles reviews with phrases
    such as " Stone Roses are perfect!"
    
    The Manchester rave is something completely different to what we
    have seen before. I don't remember similar hypes saying that towns
    were " the place to be. "
    
    There has always been a lot of music coming out of Manchester, it
    is only recently that media attention has been diverted towards
    it in such a big way.
    
    I would disagree in that there is an element of a bandwagon craze
    regarding Manchester.Time will only tell what will be left when
    the media lay off Manchester. That is the only way to settle this
    argument(unless you are a clairvoyant, of course!)HAHACheap laugh!
    At the moment all we can do is speculate.
    
    Rich + Aloysius
    
    

    Peering into my crystal ball I see...
    
    Afghan coats making a comeback...
    Bruce Sturrock editing the NME...
    30 inch flares de rigeur...
    Stone Roses releasing an album with lots of naked women on the cover...
    Bez dressing up as a fox on stage...
    
    But seriously, I think HM and SR will be around long after the media
    have left manchester (smoke lingering around thier fingers).  Its
    interesting that I actually really like SR now.  When I saw them in
    Reading last year I thought they were dreadfull.  Remind me never to be
    an A+R man.
    
    Mikef  (only one of me I'm afraid!!).
    

    
    The festive 50 is an amusing thing.
    
    For absolutely years it was stuffed with Pink Floyds electro-grunting
    , Genesis and Yes, then suddenly Punk arrives and it's full of the
    Pistols, the Buzzcocks, SLF and the Clash, and now it's full of
    what I consider pseudo-hippy groups (ok not all of them, but they're
    predominantly this new wave indie scene (funny indie seemed to cover
    so much more when I were a lad!)).
    
    Obviously the Peel listeners are not the same people (as a whole)
    over the years. Where do all the aging Peel listeners go to? Capital
    Gold?
    
    Mark

    I've been listening to Peel for 11 years now, when do I qualify for
    'ageing'??
    
    Mikef
    
    PS  Is Capital Gold as horrible as it sounds?  

    
    They were excellent at Reading, or were you getting them confused
    Resque?(Papa Brittle Kick 7 shades out of them incidentally!) Anyway,
    thats straying from the point.
    
    I agree with you, Happy Mondays and Stone Roses are 2 of my favourite
    bands if not David's.But, its fun to speculate innit?
    
    
    Rich + Aloysius
    
    P.S  What size do you want that coat in Mike?
    

    errr....I think I may have one in a wardrobe back at my parents house
    already...
    
    Mikef

    By the way are you or is anyone else out there a Papa Brittle fan?
    
    Rich.
    

    
    Peanut Brittle maybe but definately never tried Papa Brittle.
    
    As for the bands who will live on into the 90's ... hopefully the
    Inspiral Carpets make it especially after listening "She comes in the
    Fall".  The House of Love make a good record also.
    
    Some good point about the 50 were the Cud track, the Popguns, and to
    some extent the Telescopes (I stil can't decide about them)
    
    

    
    My God you really were pi**** last night, really laying the boot
    in. Papa Brittle Happen to be only the best band in Basingstoke,
    and I think They are brill, so there! 
    
    Hang on quick plug,
    
    Papa Brittle + The band I am in
    Live at the Carribean Club, Basingstoke 10/2/90
    Be there Mike!!!
    
    Rich + Aloysius
    
    Dawn raid on mentality
    ! :-)
    
    

    Where in Basingstoke is the club??  I work at the Crescent on the
    Viables estate, so if I could have directions from there...Are you
    worth the bother of driving all the way from Reading, in the dark???
    
    Mikef
    
    (Best band in Basingstoke...doesn't sound like much of an achievment to
    me!!)

    
    Re Papa Brittle
    
    ONLY band in Basingstoke?
    
    Mark

    
    The Carribean Club is by the hospital. If you go out on the road
    towards Tadley from the Hilton, take the first left towards the
    Hospital and you'll see the Carribean down in a dip on the LHS.
    It looks a bit like a village hall.
    
    Papa Brittle are definitely worth seeing, I'd rate them the best
    band on the Reading-Basingstoke circuit, better than International
    Resque and Jo Jo. They normally attract about 300 people in Basingstoke
    not so many in Reading, but they're growing fast there. I think
    they'll be playing at South St at the end of the month. 
    
    The style is very funky, very aggresive, Jesus J type drums and
    samples, elements of Funk, Rock, Talking heads etc. The band are
    into music ranging from JJ, House, Redskins but it's difficult to
    explain a style. It's certainly a very refreshing change to see
    this type of local band.
    
    All I can say is "GO AND SEE 'EM!" its well worth it.
    
    
    Rich.
    
    P.S You bet we're worth seeing, Aiming for a Papa Brittle/Happy
    Mondays/Indie funk sound. Pleeeze come.We need all the support we
    can get, we're 1st on!
    

    Oh yeah from viable get out on the Ring Road and follow it to the
    next roundabout on from the Reading turnoff to the Hilton Mercury.
    
    Rich + aloysius(moving to Viables soon!)
    

    Errrr...I'm utterly lost, but never mind.  Are you not playing with PB
    when they play South St??  I'd rather go there, coz its a brief walk!!
    
    Mikef (Lazyitis)
    
    PS - You're not moving here from the CSC are you??  Coz if so, you're
    just along from me.

    
    Unfortunately we aint playing with them at South St. Make sure you
    do go mind.
    
    Were going to the CSC from the branch at Wimgrove. I dont know if
    I'm staying on though, Thailand beckons!
    
    Grab your map and look for the hospital Its on the LHS before you
    go in!
    
    Rich
    

    re.24
    
    You mean, the Tadley whose Lloyds branch was robbed last Wednesday?
    

    Yeah, But only about 100 yds down that road, you turn off straight
    away.
    
    
    Rich
    

>            <<< Note 572.15 by CURRNT::SAXBY "Isn't it 5.30 yet?" >>>
>    
>    For absolutely years it was stuffed with Pink Floyds electro-grunting
>    , Genesis and Yes, then suddenly Punk arrives and it's full of the
>    Pistols, the Buzzcocks, SLF and the Clash,
    
    I remember the Festive 50 when "Stairway to Heaven" kept winning it,
    and you're right, it was very amusing how the composition of the 50
    changed dramatically, in the space of about two years going from 70's
    dinosaur bands to Punk (this suited me fine). I think since then John
    Peel has kept his show at or near the leading edge of the youf scene.
    so each year's chart represents the current faves.
    
    
    Rod

    But Rod, back then 'Stairway to Heaven' *was* the leading edge of
    the yoof scene, strange as it may seem....
    
    Bob

    >I think since then John
    >Peel has kept his show at or near the leading edge of the youf scene.
    >so each year's chart represents the current faves.
    
    The festive fifty in the 1970's was always a vote for your ALL TIME
    favourite trax, however Peely got bored with playing the same Pistols,
    Banshees and Joy Division records year in, year out, so he phased in a
    second chart based on this years releases only and phased out the old
    one.
    
    If the old format was revived, I wonder how many of last years winners
    would get in. Personally, I'd still vote for "Another Girl, Another
    Planet", but then I'm getting old (sigh).
    
    Dave_who_remembers_"Dancing_the_Night_Away"_winning

    Mikef did you get your tape done of the 50?
    
    Tim
    ---
    

    a) Was there a festive 50 for 1991?
    b) Did anybody write it down?    

    Dave

    a)nope
    b)nope.
    
    The moving of Peel to the worst timeslot of all time has affected the
    number of listeners.  The number of entries he got (around 100) for the
    50 made him think it wasn't worthwhile.  Shame really.  
    
    Mikef 

    
    I usually try to record one C90's worth of each of the Saturday and
    Sunday programmes, and listen to them in the car on the way to work the
    following week. It certainly beats listening to whatever's usually on
    the radio at 9.30am.
    
    Trevor

Hi,

	Can anyone tell me what the song in this years 50 was - it went
	on about all these people who Suck.

	-Thanks Graeme

    Might have been "Suck" by Consolidated. 
    
    Piers

Mikef, when R U going to post the Festive 50?

/Ed

    I don't know it!!!!  I didn't hear it, and the NME hasn't printed it
    up.  Sorry.
    
    Mikef

John Peel's Festive 50 1994
===========================

 1. Inspiral Carpets (featuring Mark E Smith) - I Want You 
 2. Fall - Hey Student 
 3. Veruca Salt - Seether 
 4. Elastica - Connection 
 5. Supergrass - Caught By The Fuzz 
 6. LSG - Hearts 
 7. Elastica - Waking Up 
 8. Portishead - Sour Times 
 9. Stereolab - Ping Pong 
 10. Done Lying Down - Just A Misdemeanour 
 11. H Foundation - Laika 
 12. Ash - Jack Names The Planets 
 13. Pulp - Do You Remember The First Time 
 14. Pavement - Range Life 
 15. Wedding Present - Swimming Pools Movie Stars 
 16. Sebadoh - Rebound 
 17. Hole - Miss World 
 18. Shellac - Crow 
 19. Madder Rose - The Car Song 
 20. Sleeper - Delicious 
 21. Pulp - Common People 
 22. Pavement - Gold Soundz 
 23. Pulp - Babies 
 24. Shellac - The Dog And Pony Show 
 25. Mazzy Star - Fade Into You 
 26. That Dog - One Summer Night 
 27. Nirvana - The Man Who Sold The World 
 28. Ash - Uncle Pat 
 29. Sabres of Paradise - Wilmot 
 30. Wedding Present - Click Click 
 31. Orbital - Are We Here (Industry Standard Mix) 
 32. Beck - Loser 
 33. Ash - Petrol 
 34. Pavement - Cut Your Hair 
 35. Madder Rose - Panic On 
 36. Salt Tank - Charged Up 
 37. Wedding Present - So Long Baby 
 38. Fall - City Dweller 
 39. Wedding Present - Spangle 
 40. Nirvana - Where Did You Sleep Last Night 
 41. Fall - M5 
 42. Elastica - Line Up 
 43. Underworld - Dirty Epic 
 44. Nirvana - About A Girl 
 45. Hole - Doll Parts 
 46. ROC - Girl With A Crooked Eye 
 47. Sonic Youth - Superstar 
 48. Sleeper - Swallow 
 49. Tuscadero - Angel In A Half Shirt 
 50. Trans Global Underground - Tars Zaman 

    Matt
    
    Didn't notice the Wildhearts in there 
    
    Stuart

V.Funny.  

Well, I think someone should say:

Thanks for typing that in, Matt!

grahame

Thank you.  

Matt$whohaditallmailedtohim.

    
    well, thanks for knowing someone who typed it in and remembered to mail
    it to you then....
    
    Graham ( who noticed The Church and The Stone Roses disdn't feature
    either ... oh well ^%/ )
    
    

    Interesting lack of Blur and Oasis also...
    
    Mikef 

...who, incidentally, cleared up at the NME BRAT awards last night.

(Portishead won best "dance" act, Orbital won best live performance, Gene won 
one of the Best newcomer awards.......can't remember/don't know any of the 
others)

    
    
    Broadcast over the holidays....

John Peel's Festive Fifty 1995



 1. Pulp - Common People 
 2. Pulp - Sorted 
 3. Wedding Present - Sucker 
 4. Ash - Girl From Mars 
 5. Dreadzone - Zion youth 
 6. Ash - Kung Fu 
 7. The Fall - Feeling Numb 
 8. Pulp - I-Spy 
 9. Dreadzone - Maximum 
 10. Long Fin Kylie & Mark E Smith - Heads Of Dead Surfers 
 11. PJ Harvey - Send His Love To Me 
 12. Pulp - Misshapes 
 13. Supergrass - Alright 
 14. Zion Train - Dance Of Life 
 15. Bluetones - Bluetonic 
 16. Dreadzone - Fight The Power 
 17. PJ Harvey - Down By The Water 
 18. Catatonia - Bleed 
 19. Gorkys Zygotic Mynci - If Fingers Were Xylophones 
 20. Elastica - All Nighter 
 21. Bluetones - Slight Return 
 22. Tricky - Black Steel 
 23. Dreadzone - Little Britain 
 24. The Fall - Don't Call Me Darling 
 25. Tindersticks - My Sister 
 26. Dick Dale - Nitro 
 27. Pulp - Disco 2000 
 28. Hole - Violet 
 29. Flaming Stars - Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye 
 30. The Fall - Bonkers In Phoenix 
 31. Pulp - Underwear 
 32. Spare Snare - Bugs 
 33. Stereolab - Pop Quiz 
 34. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love 
 35. Dreadzone - Captain Dread 
 36. Cornershop - 6AM Jerlander Sheer (how do you spell that?) 
 37. Billy Bragg - Northern Industrial Town 
 38. Van Baston - King of the Death Posture 
 39. Solar Race - Not Here 
 40. Pavement - Father To A Sister Of Thought 
 41. Leftfield - Afroleft 
 42. Harveys Rabbit - Is This What You Call Change 
 43. Ash - Angel Interceptor 
 44. Dose (with Mark E Smith) - Plug Myself In 
 45. Garbage - Vow 
 46. Dave Clarke - Red Three 
 47. Bis - School Disco 
 48. Dreadzone - Life, Love and Unity 
 49. The Fall - The Joke 
 50. Safe Deposit - You Can't