Conference marvin::uk_music

We all know which side of bed you got out of this morning

    
    Ok, tell me. :^)

    I was deadly serious (still am). Here I am wading through note upon
    note (many containing the same 20 or so tracks/albums/groups over
    and over) which don't tell us anything about the musical taste of
    the people putting them that we didn't already know and which don't
    encourage any discussion of what was good about those groups/albums/
    etc, etc.
    
    Obviously you like them. I don't. They remind me of those pathetic
    kiddies pop poll awards :^)
    
    Mark
    

Seconded.  These lists aren't really informing us of anything at all.  I know
this file's been a bit quiet of late, but that's no excuse to go filling it up
with irrelevant info.  How about some more concert/album reviews?  Are people
just not listening to music anymore, or is everyone merely disillusioned by this
last decade?  Actually, that's probably very hypocricital of me as I've hardly
contributed much recently, but these lists are getting on my nerves.

Lee.

I don't see what's so bad about them! They're there as a celebration of the 
music of the last decade/year. For you to voice your opinions on whether it's 
been a good year/decade or not. Tell us what you think we should be buying.

Don't lets start another 'I hate ****' note...I want to leave with happy 
memories!

B

    
    I reckon 1 note 'The best of the 80s' or maybe 2 if you NEEDED one
    for 1989 would have been suficient. The number there are is an extreme
    case of clutter.
    
    I don't mind those of you who want to put in the best x whatevers
    of whenever, but it makes this conference hard work (not to mention
    a lot of wasted time) to go through each of these 'best of' notes.
    
    One or two would have made it a lot easier to NEXT UNSEEN through
    the lot.
    
    Mark
    

Well fine...after tomorrow Uk_Music will be back to normal. None of you will 
have to put up with my 'clutter' anymore.

Some of you can be really fussy at times.

B

When I first saw those seemingly-never-ending "best of" notes, I was thoroughly
fed up, and was going to do something about it (like move them all to one note).
But then I thought that wasn't appropriate use of the moderator priveledge, so
I didn't. However, it seems I'm not alone in hating eight million notes of 
lists.

Anyone have any SERIOUS objections to me combining them all into one note?

We've been here before, BTW. In the last version of this conference, it got 
ULTRA boring with loads of lists of what was best or worst...

Keith

I was going to put them all as just 2 notes. In the end I thought this would be 
a bad idea because then those 2 notes would be cluttered full of odds and ends 
and wouldn't be as easy to understand.

Only 2 people have complained so far. Everyone else seems happy to tell us what 
they have been listening to this decade.

It's not pointless either. One of the reasons why I log into UK_MUSIC is to find 
out if I'm missing any good bands. If I see someones list full of bands that I 
like and one band that I haven't heard of then I will most definatly check out 
that band. I got feedback on my choice of 'Fraser Chorus' in a couple of my 
charts. What about the guys views on Maddona - no one has ever managed to 
persuade me she was worth the record vinyl till I'd read those notes.

I also wanted to see if one track/album/band stood out as a definate favourite 
in UK_MUSIC. If would be alot harder to spot this if the notes were merged. They 
do this in the other conferences. In Radio_Radio they do it twice a year! Once 
for the fiscal year! This weeks N.M.E. has it's form for it's readers poll and I 
will be filling it in and sending it off as I find it a valuable reference as to 
what are the views of the other readers of the paper.

And what about John Peel's Festive 50?

Someone back me up????

B 

    Yeah,
    
    I'll back you up.
    
    Really Mark (Saxby), is it that hard to hit the , key a couple of
    times!
    
    Stop moaning all of you.
    
    Mark.

    
    Re.6
    
    And I'm taking away my toys, so there.

Whats wrong with these lists, I believe them to be informative pointing out 
several bands that I haven't heard yet but will try to in the future. 

Two people moan and the mod thinks it's the general opinion of everyone. Leave
them as they are ... thanks.

    That's right, it's because I've read notes by people who's taste
    overlaps with mine a bit that's led me onto exploring other stuff
    that I may well have not got to hear.
    
    Thanks to Bruce, Tim O'Connor, and Dougie Robb
    
    Bob

    
    Really, people calm down, or has an opinion been banned.
    
    Bruce (now gone?) got rather upset over what is a small thing really.
    
    I don't find any interest in wading through note after note over
    repetitive lists (just look at them and tell me that the same 20
    records/groups don't crop up over and over). I can't see that it
    gives us any information that 2 notes or  seperate notes on the
    groups could give us. As I said it's just like the Smash Hits polls
    , with all the obvious groups cropping up (I don't see anything
    different in these lists).
    
    I agree that it might be interesting to know what is the most popular
    group/album over the last year/decade amongst the UK_MUSIC noters,
    but  just having everyone type in a list isn't going to tell us
    that. If someone can (and is prepared to) spend the time taking
    mails and  forming a definitive list then fine, but why encourage
    clutter of a conference?
    
    The bloke who put the Madonna comments in deserves some praise as
    he's the only person to actually put any REASONS for his liking
    of her material, all the rest are just blind adoration (look at
    how many lists contain a multiple of albums/singles by the same
    group) with no reasoning behind their listing those groups/records.
    
    I don't read RADIO_RADIO, and if it's as full of tedious lists as this note
    is in danger of becoming I won't bother, but I'm not going to get
    all upset and tell you that I won't bother you all with my opinions
    again because I don't mind if you all think I'm wrong or right.
    
    Some people seem to think that criticism of things they do in notes
    is a personal attack, I can assure you all that any comments I make
    are not intended in that way and if I've inadvertedly caused genuine
    offence in stating my views I apologise.
    
    Mark

    Aha! I ain't gone yet matey! I wuzzn't upset! Promise! I took your
    point of view and I put mine forward. Just for you I will put little
    comments as to why I like my favourites when I fill in my best of the
    80's later today. (But I think most of you know why I like what I like
    - I've harped on about it so many times).
    
    B

    
    	Leave 'em, there's always next unseen
    
    	Doug.

    
    Hi Bruce,
    
    Glad you're not gone yet, I wouldn't have liked you to have left
    with us misunderstanding each other.
    
    There appears to be a reasonable amount of support for your notes
    so I agree with the last note "Leave 'em". Maybe in future though
    a less expansive method of carrying out such a survey could be 
    devised :^)
    
    I agree entirely with the sentiment that this conference can lead
    you to types of music or groups that you might not otherwise be
    aware of (that's why I read it!). However, as I said, it would be
    more useful if people put in some reasons for liking a certain group
    /type of music/album or at least a description of them, as this
    will give more idea of what you will hear if you try them out.
    (This, I'll admit, isn't a comment that can be aimed at you, Bruce
    :^) )
    
    For instance, the bloke who likes Madonna, says pretty well why
    he likes her and like her or not you can respect his opinion as
    he states it clearly and reasonably. I don't think lists of favourites
    really have the same usefulness, no matter how interesting people
    do or don't find them.
        
    Mark
    
    PS Good luck Bruce and Au revoir!
    

    I'm the bloke who likes Madonna.
    
    It works both ways.  Most of my record collection is full of chart
    stuff.  But reading what everyone else likes has given me ideas on what
    I might like.
    
    There's so many good records about that you don't get to hear
    everything that you want.  All I get to hear is chart stuff and
    therefore this is where I select the records I want to buy.
    
    On this conference there are so many who are into the Indie stuff, and
    they can't all be wrong, there must be something good to these groups. 
    
    As of payday I will have the Stone Roses and Happy Mondays LPs in my
    collection.  If it weren't for people stating their favourites I would
    never have known.
    
    Thanks all
    
    
    MattyB
    
    p.s. Bruce:  If you buy the Madonna LP, I'll buy som James stuff !!!