Conference marvin::uk_music

    HI,
    
    
    Apology accepted on my end... I didn't take it offensive to begin with.
    I think if people read the WHOLE note then they would have understood
    that it was just a joke.  Good luck, and I hope you continue to write
    in this file, or were you banned :-)  I just wonder if when the note
    you received was sent to you and copied to your manager, if they (who
    ever sent it) also sent along a copy of the entire note, and the
    replies that followed.  Like I said in one of my replies... looks like
    no one has a sence of humor anymore.
    
    
    
    Kel

    
    I think the moderator over-reacted here. It was obviously a joke.
                                             
    No offense taken here,                   
                                            
    -Tony 

    He calls himself: 'The Moderator from hell!'
    
    We should all be very carefull! :+)
    
    B

    I missed the note first time, but once you drew our attention to it
    I read it and found it quite funny.

    Hey! It's 9.55 ! Time for our `Five minutes of Hate'!! -;)

    See you in 1984...

    - Tim

    I didn't have any problem with it, either....
    
    Bob

    
    
    
    
    
    Well I thought......
    
    
    
    
    It was OK
    
    
    
    
    
    I don't know what all the fuss is about.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Kevin.
    ------
    

    
    Mr Moderator, why did you find the note so offensive ?
    
    -Curious

    
    	It need not have been the Moderator who objected.
    	
    	Re .0 No problems here, and my compliments to your script
    	writer. If an apology was required for 400.97, then surely
    	that would also apply to those of us who read the original
    	400.98, oder??
    
    	Doug.

    
    C'mon whoever complained, what is the problem, it is TRUE is'nt
    it ?
    
    Is someone sore that someone earns more than someone else? 
    
    The only answer is that whoever complained ought leave the co. and
    come back as a contractor. Then there would be no need for jealousy!
    
    Personally, I don't care what he earns...
    
    juju
    xxxx
    

    That was GREAT Di!  And I couldn't agree more!  We are all surposed to
    be adults, and yet we have to watch every word we say and how we say
    it.  We have to make sure to put little :-) ;-) in side just so things
    are taken the right way... one of these days Mr. Moderator is going to
    send it to the WRONG manager, and the surprise will be on him!  Like I
    think they (the moderators) forget that all it takes to close down a
    notes file, is a word from high above, and all it takes to close notes
    down for good is a word from someone high on the corp. ladder.... 
    
    So all in all it comes down to just because someone wants to be a real
    jack ***, we all SUFFER! and they can ruin a GOOD thing for EVERYONE.

    
    Lay off the moderator!
    
    
    Unless you KNOW it was him who objected.
    
    Mark
    
    PS I'm a contractor and I didn't find it offensive.

    To some notes no one has to object.
    
    There are a set of rules and regulations that have to be followed
    when noting. If someone enters a note that goes against the rules
    then Mr Mod has to do what ever he has to do...but a message to
    the manager? That's a bit harsh.
    
    Lets wait for his reply...
    
    B

    re last bunch
    
    Not to get into the right or wrong of what's happened and what
    we think of it, I think you'll all find that the Moderator(s)
    don't have to answer to us.  This (the noting world) is not a
    majority-rule set-up.  We've got moderators who must enforce 
    (yes, enforce) corporate policy around the use of the systems,
    and network.
    
    You can wait for his reply till you're blue in the face; he doesn't
    have to supply an explanation for his action.  
    
    Sue (yes, I'm with Personnel and can't help talking like this, it
    comes with the job :-})
                                                   

    This is getting out of hand, but personally, Moderators DO owe us
    explainations.. they are moderators by CHOICE, we don't elect them, 
    there are no public offices being held, these notes file are for the
    use of DEC employees, if we have a question, or a gripe with a file,
    then we (the employees) have a right to ask the moderator WHY?
    
    And I won't be waiting for an answer from the moderator I personally
    know him, so I don't expect it.
    
    
    
    Kelly (who happens to work in a Corporate Office, and just can't help
    knowing the rules of DEC.)

    
    
    Hi all.
    
    
    I too am a bit concerned as to the direction of this note.
    
    When I wrote .0 it was with the intention of putting the records
    straight and doing as requested by the Mod. This was done :
    
    Because
    
    a) I really didn't want to stand on anyones toes
       
    b) I wanted to continue writing and reading in possibly one of the
    most constructive and informative files going.
    
    I personally do not need an explanation from the mod, since it has
    been discussed face to face.
    
    Great input, but I was not intending to "upset" / aggrevate.
    
    It was a simple apology for those who may have been offended.
    
    
    Can we get on with praising Joe Jackson again ?
    
    Cheers,
    Mark.
         
    

    re.  < Note 526.15 by SHARE::ROBINSON >

    I won't be baited and don't participate in petty Notes squabbles.  

    Re .16 - (Mark's note)

>>       a) I really didn't want to stand on anyones toes

>>       ...Can we get on with praising Joe Jackson again ?

    Thanks for taking some of the heat out of the situation Mark.
    (Maybe like you) I think there are probably other events
    (outside of UK_MUSIC ) more worthy of getting wound up about.
    And that's also _not_ meant as a comment on anyone's reactions.
    
    - Tim   

    PS Keep noting pls!

    
        RE .17 -
    
            By adding this note, have you not done so?

    
   >> There are a set of rules and regulations that have to be followed
   >> when noting. If someone enters a note that goes against the rules
   >> then Mr Mod has to do what ever he has to do...
     
    Where does it say that telling the truth about (a small amount of)
    contractors is not allowed ? It certainly doesn't in note 2.*.
         
    Would a warning have not been more apporpriate ?
    
    -Tony

    Wish I was a contractor....

>    Where does it say that telling the truth about (a small amount of)
>    contractors is not allowed ? It certainly doesn't in note 2.*.

Soooo, its "telling the truth" about "a small amount of" Contractors ?
Which ones ? Where ? What do their Managers think ? In times when 
expenses/Salaries are getting a hard time, particularily in the US, do you 
think there is no danger in a comment like that ? 

Which is all somewhat by the by. A decision was made by a moderator. The 
decision was one that that person thought was right. Like Digital says " try 
to do the right thing". If you think they were right or wrong, mail them and 
tell them. Maybe even tell them why. But rattling on in here with a load of 
"so am I" type notes isn't productive. You always have the ultimate option if
you decide you really don't like it in here.

Mark. (Who is naffed off with Mods getting a hard time in just about every 
       conference these days !)

    
    There is only a danger with a comment like mine if people 
    over-react, take it to seriously or have an attitude problem.
                
    Do you think I'm gonna have a problem with my comment Mark ?
                
    You tell me.

    Some truth for those who are making assumptions:
    
    1. I mailed the author of the original note. I did not mail him as a
    moderator of this conference (although I happen to be one), but as a
    reader. I am aware of (at least) one other person who thought the
    original note offensive.
    
    2. I did not copy his manager, but the SYSTEM account of his node.
    
    3. The author of the original note rang me and visited me to apologise;
    I was more than happy with that. 
    
    4. As I did not mail his manager, it would not have been possible for
    me to send mail to the wrong manager (as one person suggested).
    
    5. All references to "the moderator" have ignored the fact that there
    are four moderators of this conference.
    
    6. Personnel were never involved at any time, nor was this ever
    suggested or spoken of.
    
    7. I did what I thought was right at the time. I would now consider
    that I over-reacted; if it happened again I would send mail, but I
    would not CC the SYSTEM account.
    
    8. I think a few people in this topic have over-reacted too, with calls
    for accountability and some thinly-disguised offensive statements about
    me.
    
    9. I don't think there is anything to be gained by continuing this
    discussion, so I have write-locked this topic. If anyone feels that
    this discussion should continue in here, please feel free to mail me
    saying why, and I will be happy to re-consider.
    
    Keith