Conference marvin::uk_music

           OK to get things started heres a little U2 trivia.
    
    1.Which school did all the members of the band attend?
    2.Give the two previous names of the band?
    3.U2 have only one catholic born member,name him.
    4.What was the bands first single called?
    5.When is bono`s birthday?
    6.What song has the lines - `held to ransome , held to pay ,a
    revolution ever day`
    7.What kind of car does bono own?
    8.whats the name of their manager?
    9.What is The Edge`s real name?
    10.What track did they get the title of RATTLE AND HUM from?
    
    I`ll put the answers out next week.
    
    Mitch
           

                              (Used W/O Permission)
    
     Rolling Stone Issue 561                       "In Brief" PG 28
     21-SEPT-89
    
     U2 bassist Adam Clayton was busted August 6th in Dublin, Ireland,
     on charges of marijuana possession and intent to supply the drug
     to another person. At press time, Clayton was scheduled for a
     September 1st hearing, and the band was expected to tour Japan
     and Australia shortly thereafter. If found guilty of the drug
     charges, however, Clayton could have trouble obtaining visas
     necessary for touring certain countries, including the United States. 
     On a happier note for the band, guitarist Dave "the Edge" Evans and
     his wife recently had a baby daughter and named her Blue Angel.
     

    "Blue Angel"????
    
    Sounds like the Bob and Paula Geldoff school of children's names.

    re .4
    
    More likely to be something in the bloodstream. Another example
    of rock stars ( oh I mean artistes ) being pretencious. Even Sting
    ( I read books and you don't ) has'nt gone that far. "Blue Angel"
    sounds like one of dem filems they show in porno houses. 
    Let's have some suggestions as to what Bono might call his offspring.
    
    How about Jesus Jnr. Or perhaps that's what Jim Kerr has in mind
    (aww!!) for his spawn.
    
    
    Yours
    
    Moon-Unit O'Hagan.
    
    for
    

    I cant spell pretentious.

    Is Blue Angel the title of an old Elvis song?  What are they going
    to call this kid when he goes to school?  Blue?  Angel?  This could
    get interesting.

Re:                                 -<  U2 TEST  >-

	Well, I'm a fan, but not a particularly avid one, so I don't have
all of the answers.

    
>>> 1.Which school did all the members of the band attend?

I believe that Adam Clayton was chucked out of Newpark in Blackrock -
don't know/don't care where the rest went.  I'd guess Blackrock College.

>>> 4.What was the bands first single called?

	Guess:  was it Celebration or 11 O'clock tick-tock.  If not it should
	have been, they're 2 of my favs.  I'll hedge my bets & say parhaps it 
	was "I will follow".

	FYI, there's a TRUELY AWFUL version of "Stories for Boys" on a 1978 (?)
	compilation album of up and coming Dublin bands, called "Just for 
	Kicks".  Bono sounds seriously effeminate on this track.

>>> 6.What song has the lines - `held to ransome , held to pay ,a
>>> revolution ever day`

	"USSR, DDR, London, New York, Peking,
	 it's the puppets, it's the puppets that pull the strings"

	 Seconds from War.

>>> 7.What kind of car does bono own?
	 Yawn!
>>> 8.whats the name of their manager?
	 Paul McGuinness
>>> 9.What is The Edge`s real name?
	 David Evans
>>> 10.What track did they get the title of RATTLE AND HUM from?

	 Think it was "Bullet the blue sky"? and I wish that they hadn't
bothered.  I hate this album.  I love all the rest, but do prefer the first
three.  BTW, while from Dublin I'm not one of these people who was "really into
them in the early days & used go see them in the JCR/SFX".  I only really got
into them around War & I *really* do prefer their earlier stuff, no messing.
    
>>>    I`ll put the answers out next week.

	Good on ya, Mitch.  Will there be another quiz?  Personally, I'd prefer
something on the music.  But, you're the boss.  In the meantime here's an easy
one for you 

	What song starts with:

	"Back to the cold restless streets at night,
	 Talk to myself about tomorrow night"

-Brian.

Hello all

I wonder if any of you could help me... I'm desperately 
trying to name the U2 song where Bono sings the words 
"walk on by".

It's not much to go on, I realise.... If it's any help,
I'm pretty sure the song where these words come from was 
one of their 'hits'.

Thanks for your help. (It's been driving me mad, trying to 
work out which song those 3 words come from.....!)

Anna
                                         

    They all attended Mount Temple school in Dublin, and if I remember
    correctly it was Adam " 'gis another chance" Clayton who placed
    the advert on the school notice board looking for anyone interested
    in creating a band.
    
    BTW Mount Temple  is a non-denominational school
    
    Would Mr Hewson be the only catholic born in the group
    
    Well as far as I know Bono drives a banger (at least last time he
    did) because he picked up a friend of mine when she was hitch hiking.
    Totally unimpressed by the car. Even further back than that, when
    interviewed on Dave Fanning's radio programme (he's credited for
    giving them their first break, and held in the same esteem as John
    Peel in England) years ago he claimed to drive a big station wagon.
    
    I know Adam Clayton has a rather large motor bike and side car.
    
    
    richard 
            

Anna,

>>> I wonder if any of you could help me... I'm desperately 
>>> trying to name the U2 song where Bono sings the words 
>>> "walk on by".

Well, I'm mad.  It only took me about 12 hours to get the song ... which happens
to be my favorite U2 song ever!

		Walk on by, walk on by,
		Walk till you run & don't look back,
		For here I am...

		Carnival,...
		The wheels fly & the colours spin...

It is, of course, "The Unforgettable Fire"

-Brian.

    1.Mount Temple
    2.The Larry Mullen Band and The Hype
    3.Larry Mullen
    4.Out of control
    5.10th MAy
    
    next five answers on next page
    

    6. SURRENDER
    7. A HEARSE
    8. PAUL MCGUINESS
    9. DAVE EVANS
    10. BULLET THE BLUE SKY
    
    

    Hi Richard,
              it was'nt adam Clayton who put the advert on the school
    notice board,it was Larry Mullen who started the band by that advert
    hence their first name `The Larry Mullen Band'. 
              Paul Hewson's mother was a catholic but his dad was a prod.
    So he was brought up on both sides until his mum died (when Paul was
    still a whipper)
    
               Mitch.
    
    
    

    hello Brian,
               I'll have a guess at `Shadows and tall trees' from boy.
    but thats just a guess.
    
         mitch
    

Mitch,
>>>               I'll have a guess at `Shadows and tall trees' from boy.

	Well done, spot on!  And I tried to pick a hard one ;-)

	Another question for ya (& I'll warn you now, I only have this one
	or hearsay).  U2 didn't write the words to one of the songs on War,
	which one & where did they come from.  This is an easy one.

Re: 493.15
    6. SURRENDER

	Sorry, but no way!  This is definitely "Seconds" (as I said in .8).
Surrender has lines like: /Sadie said she couldn't work out/what it was all 
about/and so she let go./Now Sadie's on the street /& the people she meets you
know/Surrender surrender... Whereas in Seconds we're "doin' the atomic bomb",etc

Regards,
-Brian.

    Okay so I had a slip of the tongue I really meant seconds, I know an
    unforgivable mistake but thanks for pointing it out.
    
    

    Brian,
         I think you've got me with that that last question.I was sure that
    U2 wrote all the songs on war but I'll have a guess.
    
       `THE REFUGEE'
    
     
    

    Heres another little quiz then....
    
    name the songs that have the following titles..
    
    1. theres a place I go when I am far away.........
    
    2. picture in grey , dorian grey ,trust me.......
    
    3. theres a black car parked by the side of the road.....
    
    4. i'll cross the sky for your love.....
    
    5. i'll see you again when the sun falls from the sky......
    
    6. the dust a smoke screen all around....
    

Re: .21 

	A couple of answers & a couple of wild guesses follow the <FF>.
(So those of you who want to answer the quiz yourselves don't have it spoiled)

Re: .20

	Well a quite a few years ago, U2 played a concert in the Phoenix park
Dublin, on a Sunday.  A friend of mine (&totally devoted U2 fan) was at mass
that morning & recognised the responsorial psalm: 
			I waited patiently,
			for the lord,...
I believe that '40' is based on psalm number 40.  I've never checked this, but
I don't disbelieve my friend.  Call her a liar & I'll tell my big brother.

    1. theres a place I go when I am far away.........
	Stories for boys.  (Brill drumming!)
    
    2. picture in grey , dorian grey ,trust me.......
	(The one after stories for boys on Boy, it's called, arrrrg, I've
	 forgotten, is it "The Ocean")
    
    3. theres a black car parked by the side of the road.....
	Tommorrow
    
    4. i'll cross the sky for your love.....
	Drowning Man
    
    5. i'll see you again when the sun falls from the sky......
	I could have told you that this was a U2 line, but I have NO IDEA
	which song it comes from.  Without knowing where it fits in the song
	I'd have to guess "The Unforgettable Fire"
    
    6. the dust a smoke screen all around....
	Guess:    A Sort of Homecoming.


	Well, I guess that it's only fair to pose another question, so that
Mitch, who's doin' all the work, gets some fun from this note too.

	Today's theme is different versions of songs.  Well, you've all heard
the Live Aid version of 'Bad', & some of you will have heard the Self Aid
version of 'Sunday Bloody Sunday' - both great.  Well, what song from The
Unforgettable Fire was included in the 'Pride (in the name of love)' singles
pack?  (Note:  did you get the extra single in other countries, I've heard a
rumour that we only get them in Ireland.)  The real reason why I ask this, is
because I reckon that this version of this song is *FAR* superior to the album
track, more so than any other U2 song.

	Lyrics questions (Name that tune!  I can't think of any hard ones):

	1.  Julie says, "John I'm getting nowhere"    (or is it Jack?)
	2.  And it's true, we are immune
	3.  100...200

Ok, ok.  I'll shut up.

Bye (for now :-),
-Brian.

    1. I FALL DOWN
    2. SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY
    3. BULLET THE BLUE SKY
    
    
    you got one of my questions wrong brian
    
    i'll see you again when the stars fall from the sky
    thats ONE TREE HILL on the JOSHUA TREE
    

Re: .23
	Yes!  All correct!  And, of course, I shoulda known One tree hill.
The songs in the 'Pride' singles:

	A sort of homecoming  - great version, slow start & end.

Other songs:
	Love comes tumbling.
	60 seconds to kingdown come
	Two sunrises (at least I think that it's called this)

    Wasn't that pack released here as a 12", with A Sort Of Homecoming
    as a live version??  Is this the same??
    
    Mikef

           
         I got the pride 12" single , that had
    
          PRIDE
          BOOMERANG 1
          BOOMERANG 2
          TOUCH
          11 O'CLOCK TICK TOCK
    
         The pack with the live version of A sort of homecoming was the
    unforgettable fire (12" also)
          this featured
          THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE
          A SORT OF HOMECOMING(LIVE)
          LOVE COMES TUMBLING
          THE THREE SUNRISES
    
          this 12" single was the same as WIDE AWAKE IN AMERICA apart from
     the two title songs are different(a rip off if you ask me)
    
        Mitch
    

    Name the other single that had 60 seconds in kingdom come on it.
    

    Looks like the live show on New Years Eve is going to be broadcast
    live, hopefully on the beeb...
    Mikef

       Lets hope so Mike it'll will make a great tapeable item.Let us know
    if you here any more news on the subject (please).
     

    I was wondering if anyone could help me out.  I've been a huge 
    U2 fan for years now.  I enjoy all there albums, but none as much
    as Boy (they were really on the edge then...no pun intended). My
    question is this:  I have all of there albums and 1 EP, but I can't
    locate two cuts I've heard on the radio here in Boston.  The first
    is "Celebration", which someone mentioned earlier in this note; and
    the second is "The Sweetest Thing", which my wife insists is a remake
    (I disagree).  I'm afraid they may be "B" sides of singles released
    in past years, and will be hell to find now.  If anyone could help
    me out by letting me know what EP, or single they were released with,
    I would appreciate it.

    thanks tons,

    J

"Celebration" was a single released around 1982. I think it came between Boy and 
October (work it out!). It wasn't on any album. The B side was "Trash, 
Trampoline, and the Party Girl" (later to be just "Party Girl"). It's possible
that it was only released in Ireland.

I'm not sure about "The Sweetest Thing" (I lost interest in U2 long before),
but it was a B side of one of the singles off the last two albums, so 
it's fairly recent.

Hope this helps!

--Patrick--

    
    I've got The Sweetest Thing on a "compilation" cassette a friend
    in the UK sent me.  If you really want the song and can't find
    it anywhere, I suppose we could tape it (one song, silly, I know,
    but if you want it bad enough...)
    
    Let me know.
    
    Sue
    

"Sweetest Thing" was the B-Side to one of the 'Joshua Tree' singles, although 
I don't remember shich one. I think I have the 12" at home though, if you 
don't have any luck elsewhere.

The only place I've seen "Celebration" available is on an import single that 
was part of a 4-pack of U2 singles. I hven't seen it around for 4-5 years 
though.

Alan S.

    I got the Celebration single when it was released but I've seen it
    around in packs of 4 singles although not lately.I'd suggest if you
    wanted a version of it you should buy a live boot leg at a record fair.
       They've stopped playing it live now because `the edges forgotten 
    how to play it',but nearly any boot leg from the pre War tours or the
    pre Under a blood red sky album should have a celebration on them.
        Record fairs are the best places to find these bootlegs,they come 
    to Edinburgh all the time so I presume they go to other places as well.
    The best version I have encountered was at the hammersmith palais in
    1983 .
          I think the sweetest thing is on the B side of where the streets 
    have no name.A great song!!
    
          mitch
    
    
    

    Thanks for all the help!  I will try to search for the cuts, and
    hopefully I will be successful (I think I have my work cut out for
    me).  If not, I will contact those of you that said you have the 
    music and maybe we can work something out.

    Thanks again,

    JJ

    Anyone else wanting to track down any U2 songs fell free to use this
    conference,I'm sure the lads will deliver the answers (hopefully).
    

    
         Another great B side that is worth listening to is `Spanish Eyes',
    being one of my personel favourites.Other good B siders are Touch,
    A sort of homecoming(live),I will follow(live),New year's day (remix),
    The three sunrises,The sweetest thing,etc.
         Among the worst in my opinion must be Trash Trampoline and the
    Party Girl(known as party girl live),this version can be found on A
    Celebration and is not a patch on the live version.Walk to the water
    is also mega bad.
    
    Mitch
     

    
     I just entered a note entitled "U2 Paris Gig?" , I suppose it belongs
    in here, so I'll reproduce it...
    
    
    
    I've been quizzed regards U2 playing Paris in early '90 ( Feb I think)
    & can find nothing about this in the music press, any info ???
    
    
    
    Here's hoping.
    
    
    
    Adam.

    
    
      Cheers my man... I got a positive response too, top move!
    
    
    
      Adam.

    
     
        
    
      The countdown for the long awaited U2 concerts has begun in 
      earnest, with the first in-depth articles about the band 
      appearing in the newspapers. Last weeks edition of the Sunday 
      Tribune did a feature of their present tour in Australia and New 
      Zealand. The reporter dealt with a number of general topics 
      including the members of the band, how this tour differs from 
      the previous, what direction their music is taking and what lies 
      ahead for those going to see the band. To give a feel for the 
      entire article I will extract what I perceived as interesting 
      comments, hopefully, providing food for thought for those on the 
      way to see the Love Town tour in Dublin.
     
      "..These days when U2 come to town, it's a little like the 
      circus. They're touring with blues guitarist BB King and band 
      which they have called the Love Town Tour, and their stage set 
      is brighter and more colourful than anything they have done 
      before....."
    
      "...The Edge looks like he's in a circus, his hair tied back and 
      his clothes becoming increasingly more bohemian....this tour is 
      all about lightening up and enjoying themselves, about 
      rediscovering the very soul of the rock and roll that put the on 
      stage in the first place....." 
    
      "..."We want to get off the treadmill of mega-album, mega-tour, 
      everything mega," said Bono in Sydney, "I think this is the 
      beginning of that"..."
    
      ".......the set is varied each evening, some songs played every 
      night but in a different order, others pop up rarely. 'I Will 
      Follow' and 'New Year's Day' are played regularly, for instance, 
      as are 'Pride', 'Desire', 'All I Want Is You', 'Bullet In The 
      Blue Sky', and 'Where The Streets have No Name'...'Gloria', 
      'October', 'Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For', 'God Part 
      II' and 'Love Rescue Me', have been played less often, and 
      significantly the political heavyweights  'Sunday Bloody Sunday' 
      and 'Silver and Gold', have been aired rarely, if at 
      all.." 
    
      "....It's less of a singer and band situation now.....When Bono 
      did approach world politics, he choose to do so under a starry, 
      moonlight sky before 55,000 people on a warm summer's evening. 
      "Today I saw pictures in the paper of people pulling down the 
      Berlin Wall ", he said at the end of 'New Year's Day " when I 
      wrote that song all those years ago, I never believed that would 
      happen." Bono in particular has been criticised over the years 
      for such dramatic outbursts, but on that night, on that place, 
      he recaptured the magic that has made U2 the special band that 
      it most certainly is..."
    
      I hope that those snippets provide a little insight to how the 
      band and their tour is progressing. 
    
    
      It has been announced here in Ireland that the New Year's Eve 
      concert is being broadcast live on RTE FM2. Wasn't it Bruce 
      Springsteen who said during a live broadcast, "Bootleggers of 
      the world, turn on your tape recorders" ? enough said for the U2 
      concert. 
    

    
    RE -.1
    
    
    What wavelength is RTE/FM2 ??
    
    

Re: .43
>>>    What wavelength is RTE/FM2 ??

The Irish Times says it's:

	FM:  91.8-93 MHz
	MW:  612,1278 kHz

That's the first time I've ever looked it up :-)  I believe that the broadcast
is going to be carried on other radio stations around Europe, eg BBC Radio 1.
I could be right...I could be wrong. 

-Brian.

I know the intention was to broadcast the concert live thorughout the world.
But I guess now those plans are scrapped, as U2 couldn't get the satellite 
time reserved. I don't know if this only affects the US, or UK and Europe 
as well.

They are now planning on taping the show and broadcasting it at a later date.

Alan S.

    The New Year's Eve concert is going out live on RTE Radio 2 (that is an
    Irish commercial station). Should be recievable in Holland and most of
    Eastern Europe, but not England...

    Going out live and direct on Radio 1 New Years Eve.

    Will this concert be broadcast in the U.S.?  I live in the Boston
    area.

    
    No it won't. I heard on the radio yesterday that all the satellite
    space has been taken up.
    
    Tom
    

Did anyone over there listen to and/or tape the U2 broadcast on New Years Eve?
We didn't get it over here in the States - how was it? What was the song 
selection like? 

I'm dying for it to be over rebroadcast here - I'm wondering what the new tour 
is like!

Alan S.

Heard that "I still haven't found what i'm looking for" is going to be released
shortly as a soul/dance cover version.

Is nothing sacred?



...Art.

>>>	Our Dave a Philistine ? surely not.

	Never!  If anybody dares say this, I'll...I'll play my brother's
	Van def Graaf Generator albums at them - a fate worse than death!

>>>	One certainly gets the feeling that music critics take their 
>>>	music too seriously, when frankly my dear I just think it's good 
>>>	rock and roll. 
	
	Richard, I _love_ it when you call me dear!  :-) :-)

	I reckon that the critics aren't the only ones taking their music
	too seriously - the band do it, the media do it & now the fans are
	doing it.

	U2's only problem is that they have so much to try to live up to.  They
	always have to try to top their last piece.  Well, like anybody else
	they can only do this for so long.  The Rattle & Hum experience was, if
	you ask me, a rather desperate attempt to find a "Next Stage" for the 
	band.  None of this stops U2 being bl**dy good!  THEY never claimed to
	be bigger than Rod! :-)

	They are beginning to show strain, & U2-bashing has become 
	fashionable, though it must be admitted that they *did* set themselves
	up for it in Dublin.

>>>	"..an unsatisfactory gig which had no new songs and an unmistakable 
>>>	funereal air..".		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Hey, give the guys a break.
    
>>>	Dave said (as he has done so before) that 75% of what Bono says is 
>>>	utter rubbish. 
	
	Only 75%?  I would have said closer to 90%.  But the other 10% can be 
	great!

	Ah well, such is life.

-Brian.

    Sounding a bit peeved over the soul/dance version "I still Haven't
    Found what I'm Looking for", well let me tell you, as far as I know
    and working on a pickled brain in the Oasis in Galway. I'm
    almost definite I heard a rap/acid/you name it we'll play it version
    of "New Year's Day" on at least two occasions.
    
    Great stuff too, better than the original, but then again I enjoy
    good cover versions, look at any essay I ever did if you need proof. 
    
    This is the brain of a tired man.
    
    Richard O'

    Two questions.
    
    In the note (.53) about the reviews of the concerts, mention was
    made of "our sixty minute wonder, Maria McKee (a Galway joke)".
    
    What's the joke?  Personally I can't stand listening to Maria McKee.
    She and her band opened for U2 here in the States one year and I
    thought she sounded like a smushed gerbil.
                                              
    Second question - why was Bono referred to as "Nobber" a couple
    of notes back?  Is there a connotation to the word that a Yank wouldn't
    know?
    
    Just curious,
    
    Terry
    

Re: < Note 493.58 by XCUSME::KENDRICK >

	Hi Terry,

>>    In the note (.53) about the reviews of the concerts, mention was
>>    made of "our sixty minute wonder, Maria McKee (a Galway joke)".
>>    
>>    What's the joke?

        Maria McKee played a gig in the Warwick hotel here in Galway back
        in September or October. She was due on stage at 9pm, didn't arrive
        on stage until 9:45 (now there's _Irish_ time for you - and I
        thought she was from L.A.) and was gone again at 10:35 - and that
        was after her encore. (Actually, that's fifty minutes, but who's
        counting? More Irish time for ya.) 

        She also played the Olympia (I think) in Dublin the following
        weekend and was on stage for less than an hour and a half. I guess
        she's only had one solo album so far, but I'm sure she could have
        done a few covers or something to stretch these concerts out just a
        little ... 

        In fairness to her, there were problems at the Galway gig. Some
        not-very-bright management type decided _after_ Maria began to play
        to disallow seating on the dance floor area in front of the band,
        and began moving people and chairs about during the first two
        songs. I think that threw her a little. Also, she seemed to be
        having some difficulty with her new guitars ("I'm bangin' hell
        outta these things and they sound like sh|t!" - or something like
        that). Mind you, she comes across as being somewhat temperamental. 


>>                     Personally I can't stand listening to Maria McKee.
>>    She and her band opened for U2 here in the States one year and I
>>    thought she sounded like a smushed gerbil.

        Never having heard a smushed gerbil sing, or even a live gerbil
        being smushed, I can't be sure if this is an insult or not, but on
        the assumption that it is, I must disagree. In spite of her
        disappointingly short concerts, I remain a fan of her voice and her
        songs (mostly self-penned), if not her stage manner or sense of
        timing. And the fact that she also happens to be gorgeous has
        nothing to do with it ;-) 

        I bought her self-titled album back in August or so, and played it
        non-stop for at least a month. I couldn't believe how few people
        turned up to hear her play in Galway, but then the concert wasn't
        hyped much and tickets were only on sale at the door. I think she
        has a fabulous voice, and the songs are excellent. I wouldn't call
        myself a fan of country music, but her blend of
        country/folk/gospel-like music, and her deceptively strong voice
        conspire to make this my favourite album of '89 (at least). 

        Listen again to songs like "Panic Beach", "This Property is
        Condemned", and if you don't change your mind, send me that gerbil,
        I wanna hear it  :-) 

        BTW, was "her band" Lone Justice, or was this since she went solo
        (except for her one-man-band, Bruce Brody)? Perhaps you should hear
        her at a smaller venue, the music isn't exactly rabble-rousing
        stuff. 

	_____
	After all that, I guess this isn't the place to discuss Maria McKee.
	Where are we? Is this the U2 note? Or the Daniel O'Donnell?


>>    Second question - why was Bono referred to as "Nobber" a couple
>>    of notes back?  Is there a connotation to the word that a Yank wouldn't
>>    know?

        Anyone care to explain that? 


	Cheers,

	   - Brian.

    re: .60
    
    When I saw Maria McKee open for U2 it was actually her band Lone
    Justice.  Her "singing" that night was more along the lines of
    screeching, causing my friend (who was a big Lone Justice fan) to
    wonder what her problem was.  At one point she actually got down
    on her knees and wailed into the microphone.  The paper the next
    morning (the Boston Globe if I remember right) described it as 
    caterwauling (sp?).  In all fairness to her, I have not heard any
    of her solo stuff except for a song I think is called "Shelter"
    which I kind of liked, but her live performance left  such a bad
    taste in my  mouth that I have no desire to investigate further.
    
    It was kind of an off  night for U2, also.  It was the only time
    I ever saw Bono get pissed and yell at the crowd ("will you people shut
    up and listen to this song - we're U2, not the Beatles!!") and it
    seemed to affect the whole show.  
    
    One of the radio stations reported this a.m. that The Edge released
    a statement stating U2 was splitting up for awhile - Bono is supposedly
    going into acting.  Anything in the Irish press about this?
                                      
    Terry
    
    

    Bono in acting ??!?

    

    That should empty the cinemas fast!!

    I can't wait to see (UK film critic) Barry Norman warbling on about
    this one.

    - Tim

    If anyione (illegally??) taped the live concert at the New Year, you
    may like to pick up this month's Q magazine, which has a cut out and
    fold cassette case insert (allegedly approved by U2).

    Yo Keith! Wasn't that last note a little dicey ?? And coming from a mod
    too! I think you know all the reasons why...Digital resources and
    spreading The Word about Home Taping (and it's offshoots) etc

    Not that I want to see a rash of deletions you understand...Never! I've
    been enjoying your moderating recently. Keep up the good work, as they
    say.

    - Tim
    

    What?

    Is it actually illegal to tape radio broadcasts, if its only for your
    own use around home?  Not just profit making?  If so, there are an
    awfull lot of criminals around!!
    
    Mikef
    
    PS  The cassette insert is rather natty.

    Yes, I believe it is (on the basis of if you record a record you don't
    need to buy it, thus depriving the artist of money). Not sure how it
    would apply if you recorded, for example, garderners question time.

    Well I hope no-one finds out about my collection of Womans Hour tapes!!
    
    I'm not sure what would happen if I had to buy every album I liked,
    instead of being able to tape.  Bankruptcy I imagine.
    
    Mikef

    My mistake then. Humble apologies and all that.

    But wouldn't it have been funny Keith, if you had to delete one of
    your own notes ??

    - Tim

    It wouldn't be the first time!

    Could someone (anyone) type in any of the set lists from any of the
    European, Japanese, or Australian shows? 
    
    Thanks
    Steve
    

    U2 approved(encouraged) the taping of their New Year's Eve radio
    concert...so nothing was illegal.
    
    - Dave K.

    The distinction is between live and recorded shows and material
    apparently, and as gardeners q time is recorded in the week earlier
    than it goes out, taping it would be thus illegal. 
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    
    Surely the question of whether it is legal to tape a performance
    or not depends on the decision of the owner (since I doubt it's
    actually a crime, rather a civil action).
    
    If U2 OWN the broadcasting rights and say 'Yeah, you can record
    it' there can't be a problem, but if the radio stations buy the
    rights to the material then it wouldn't matter what U2 said.
    
    I'm only guessing, but I'd imagine that an astute group like U2
    would withhold ownership and simply sell the right to broadcast
    material. So if they say it's ok to record it, that would appear
    (if the circumstance are as I guessed) to be ok.
    
    Mark 

    Well, Apparently it's OK to copy this thing, right?
    
    Then could someone who has it please send me a copy.  I'm in the US and
    therefore didn't get to tape it, and I was at school, so I didn't know
    that this was going on.  So if someone who has it could pleas send me
    mail...
    
    I have many legal radio broadcasts with which to trade.
    
    Thanks
    Steve
    

        
           I'll send you a copy of the recording if you really want
      it. It's one of the best U2 bootlegs I've got(despite Bono's 
      sore throat).
    
               GM
    

    re .77
    
    I've heard from a couple of other people, but if it falls through, I'll
    be in touch...
    
    Steve
    

    Have any of you read the biography about U2 that came out about
    2 years ago.  It was written by Eamon (sp?) somebody and was supposedly
    sanctioned by the band, but know I hear they think it's junk and
    are distancing themselves from it.  I received it for Christmas
    and just finished reading it.  I thought it was interesting, although
    it made them out to be rather angelic.  The rambling on about Bono's
    tortured teenage years wore thin as I don't think he went through
    anything worse than any of us who survived ages 14 - 18 did, except
    for his Mom's death which had to be a traumatic experience.
    
    Does anyone know what the specific reason(s) are for the band's
    "embarrassment" (although that may not be the right word) concerning
    the book?  Other's opinions?
    
    Also, I read somewhere that the Edge has agreed to do a soundtrack
    for an upcoming movie.  Does anyone know what the movie is?
    
    T
    
    P.S.  It was especially interesting reading it when places  like
    The Baggot Inn, Christ's Church and O'Connell Street were mentioned
    as Ireland is my vacation place and it's fun to read about places
    you've been to.  Just thinking about it makes me yearn for a Guinness,
    a REAL Guinness - not this crap we get in the States.
    
    

It was quite an interesing read as it covered more than just U2 ie some 
background on Irelands history & 'the troubles'.

I don't know of the specific reasons for the band not liking the book. 
Eamon Dunphy wrote the book on condition that it would not be censored by U2.
Perhaps there was some truth in there somewhere that they didn't like.
Have you read the 'Rattle and Hum' book (with colour pictures) ???
It's typical of a Kylie Minogue style book aimed at 12 year olds... they had a 
full hand in its production.

the Edge has done at least one soundtrack album before (1983/4???)-can't 
remember which movie it was for tho'.


...Art

    Nahhh..Cal was by Mark Knopfler.  Wasn't it The Courier,
    or something with Oliver Reed in it, or some such? 
    Also, he did some work with Jah Wobble, the Snakecharmer ep, mebbe?  Is
    it any good, anyone?
    
    Mikef

   Yes "The Snakecharmer" (sort of mini-album) was done with Jah Wobble and
   Holgar Czukay (ex of Cerman band Can), about '83.

   Nothing great about it. (Though I've only listened a couple of times,
   if that makes any difference).

   - Tim

    I could be wrong, but I think the Edge soundtrack album was for a film
    called Captive. Sinead O'Connor did sing on one or more of the tracks,
    including a single which reached the lower reaches of the charts.
    
    "The Snakecharmer" album is a bit odd, kind of funky, and the guitar
    work is good (mostly not U2 style), but full of strange, ranting
    lyrics.
    
    --Patrick--
    

    I know the band aren't doing much at the moment but I'm sure there must 
    be something to talk about.
    

theres currently a single called "i still haven't found what i'm looking for" 
on release here its the U2 song but covered by someone else 

it seems to be getting a lot of airplay

& i really hate it - theres such a difference between the original & this-
lots of false sounding groans & moans in it yuk yuk yuk!

heard one dj saying that it had bonos full backing - he must be going soft in 
the head!

what do other people think of it?


...art

    I've heard it. I prefer it to the original... I don't remember
    who sings it either. But its a good cover, in my opinion. 
    
    Dave

    The cover is by the Chimes, and I like it too

    OK there's a U2 promo LP out called U2 2 Date, which goes for about
    20-25 quid.  It contains a compilation of previous LP tracks, so it's
    not really worth the money.
    
    Last week I picked up a U2 LP called Bono Makes The Point.  It's a live
    LP compiled from a few days of the last tour.  It features BB King and
    Maria Mckee (Swoon...).  All sorts of tracks on it such as `Suspicious
    Minds', `Love Will Tear Us Apart', `Sexual Healing', `She's a Mystery
    To Me' plus about 8 normal U2 tracks.
    
    It's great quality and I reckon you ought to check it out.  I used to
    like U2 a lot, and this LP reminded me why!
    
    
    matty

    Did you get `Bono Makes The Point' in your ordinary high street record
    shop or will we have to keep an eye out for it at record fairs etc.????
    
    GM
    

    It's a Record Fair job.  If you ever get to Warrington there is a stall
    on the indoor market that sells them for about #12.  I got mine for a
    fiver off a mate!!
    
    
    matty

    I'll wait for the next Edinburgh record fair.
    
    Thanks
    graeme

on radio 1 t'other night I heard  U2's version of "Unchained Melody (?)" 
(the Rightous Bros' song currently re-released from the movie 'Ghost')

does anyone know where that song appeared (i'm thinking of U2 vinyl NOT the
point in the movie)? Was it a b-side to something, or on a compilation?!


thanks...

...art

    I have it on one of the b-sides of one of the Rattle & Hum singles.  I
    think it is `When Love Comes To Town'.
    
    matty

>>    I have it on one of the b-sides of one of the Rattle & Hum singles.  I
>>    think it is `When Love Comes To Town'.
>>    
>>    matty


it's not on my copy of the single (3" CD single), the other tracks are:
God Part II & a different mix of When Love Comes To Town

are you sure it's a b-side of this single; could it be on Angel of Harlem (the
only one I didn't buy off Rattle and Hum)?\


cheers...

...art

    It might be on `Angel..'.  I forgot to check.  I'll have to listen to
    it this time aswell, now that the Rightous Bros (Sp) are No3 with the
    same song!
    
    matty

    It's definately on the B side of "All I want is you" 12"
    
    the track listing is     A side.............All I want is you.
                             B side.............Unchained Melody
                                                Heartbreak Hotel.
    
    Graeme.
    

    There's a U2 cover of a Cole Porter song on the Red Hot And Blue LP. 
    Out Now.

    
    
    is there anyone still reading these notes?
    
    anyway....concerning the cover that U2 have done of Night and Day,
    the Cole Porter number. It seems Youth, ex-Killing Joke, has done 
    a hard dance mix 12" on it, and there is to be a limited 4000
    edition which will only find their way into clubs,etc.
    there may yet be a possibility of a nationwide release...anyone know?
    
    meanwhile, the boys themselves are locked away in a recording studio
    in germany with Daniel thingy from last time, with a pencilled in album
    
    release date of spring 1991. Bono reckons (well he should know) that
    it will be a hard edged dance album in the vein of the re-mixed version
    of God part II(found on a recent 12' b-side)
    
    there are also rumours of an extensive 2 1/2 year tour. really?
    
    finally, there is also a rumour of various 'big names' doing a one
    off concert next year, U2 included, similar to Live Aid, but on behalf
    of some other cause/celebration. 
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    i might as well reply to my own note as no-one else exists....
    
    the album is in fact pencilled in for late 1991 release with tracks
    titles like 'sick puppy' and 'ultraviolet'.
    
    the supposed one off concert for summer next year is a Bob Marley
    tribute. If it goes ahead is another thing entirely.
    
    giles
    

    Giles, I read exactly what you said in Record Mirror.  It seems these
    limited editions are just going round as promos, with the possibility
    of general release depending on the reaction in the clubs.
    
    Can anyone get me a copy?
    
    
    matty

    Only Disc Jockeys from where I come from I'm afraid......I'm glad i
    Know one anyway.....It's not getting sold in the shops , that's for
    sure.
    

    
    i just heard they've covered a Bruce Cockburn "rebel" song.
    
    why?
    
    giles
    

theres a prog. called "the rise & rise of U2" on Radio 1
on thurs 21st March at 9:00pm

- I guess it's about U2 and the like




...art

    It's been on before.
    
    matty

    It was on a while ago, I taped it, it's worth listening to.
    
    Graeme

    Has anyone heard the Pet Shop Boys version of "Where The Streets Have
    No Name" ? They do their usual act of turning a bloated (but not too
    bad I s'pose) pop song into the aural equivalent of fresh-air spray. 

    And he sings a Dusty Sprinfield sixties song in the middle. Apparently
    he too regards the band as something of a joke and can't understand why
    they're so huge. The accompanying track on the single is all about
    pompous rockstars, or so I've heard.

    - Tim

    
   >> The accompanying track on the single is all about pompous rockstars, 
    
    So its a sort of autobiography song is it ?

    Probably.

    
    >And he sings a Dusty Sprinfield sixties song in the middle.
    
    Isn't it an old Andy Williams song.
    
    
    Tim
    ---

    re-1, it is an Andy Williams song, but someone else has done it too. 
    (I don't know who).
    
    The other song is `How Can You Expect To Be Taken Seriously?'.
    
    Anyway, lets spread the rumour that U2 are currently playing at raves
    round the country and a few days in the studio making House records
    under a Pseudonym (sp).
    
    
    matty

    Yeah good idea Matty, the pseudonym is an anagram of a well known U2
    memeber
    
    Nobo
    
    Tim
    --- =8*)

    
    seems there's a new Irish music show coming to BBC2 starting July 26
    on which Bono himself will be singing an original toon called
    White Irish Rose (i think) dedicated to a bottle of the stuff.
    
    this programme is six episodes long featuring all yer fave irish
    crooners like elvis costello etc...
    
    giles
    

I saw the PSB Boston concert a few weeks ago.  That song in the middle of The
Streets Have No Name sure sounded like Can't Take My Eyes Off You by Frankie
Valli...

Paul

That's because it is.

    Carter USM, on Friday night in Geneva:
    
    "Here's a song by the Pet Shop Boys called 'Where the Streets Have No
    Name'."
    
    They then went on to trash the Pet Shop Boys' 'Rent', but that's
    another story.
    
    Piers

    
    I have only discovered this conference and have read most of this note
    so far as I fan of the fab four. I just have two questions.
    
    1. Where are the boys at the moment?
    
    2. Is there any new album in the pipeline at the moment?
    
       rgds,
        Martin.

    
    Guys! Have you heard the PSB:Where the streets..... but then re-mixed
    by David Morales???? Supurb,just plain supurb...what a mix production.
    
    Why does U2 moan about the fact that their cut has been covered?
    Money is the great healer is it not?
    
    Jan.

    Jan, I have the Dave Morales mix but was thoroughly dissapointed.  It's
    just too bare and it doesn't represent the PSB version.  It wouldn't
    have been so bad if he'd retitled the track and released it as his own.
    
    
    matty
    
    ps. re-2 Martin, you've not come to spread the world of The Great Aldo
    have you ;-)

    I thought it might have been the great Bono here, they do rhyme and its
    probably The Great Aldo in disguise.
    
    Tim
    ---

    RE: -2,-1,
    	Ah c'mon ,give the lad a break!!!!!!!!.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Do you know that TGA's favourite tune (when wearing the green of
    Ireland) ,immortalised by Bonehead and chanted daily by Cunno 
    is none other than;
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    "I still haven't found what I'm looking for!!!!!!!!"
    
    
    
    
    
    
    (the back of the oppositions net!!!!!!)
     
    
    
                                                       
    M.J.

    Did you know that McCartney and Lennon had a preminition about THE
    Greats,ALDO ,BONO and CUNNO??
        
    
    Well what about the opening lines of
    
    "All together now";
    
     
    	"A(ldo),B(ono),C(unno),d(unno), can I bring my friends to tea?""
    
    
    
    Imagine being immortalised by the best quartet in rock'n'rolls history,
    THE BEATLES!
    
    
    
    M.J.

    re 119
    
    There is a double album due out in October, it is just getting some
    finishing touches.
    
    There has been a slight scare at the fact that there are meant to be
    bootleg copies out on the street.
    
    Never fear, it won't be long till OCTOBER :)
    
    Graeme

    
    Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! 
    Are all the U2 fans out there asleep?. It is about time that we started
    to get this topic moving once again as conferences like this one are so
    informative and helpful.
       Anyway, I hear that Bono & co. will be starting a mammoth two year
    world tour in December. If anybody out there knows anything about this 
    tour( or dates and venues if available), please submit to this
    conference or else a mail to ESSB::MCUNNIFFE
    
         RGDS
          MARTIN

    
    ;^)

    
    
    	Is nowhere safe ?????

    
    Re previous two notes,
                         Yes, along with being able to appreciate a great
    team like Liverpool and a class striker when I see one like Aldo, I
    also have good musical tastes in the four boys from Dublin. About a
    year and a half ago, I went to see U2 indoors at the Point Depot in
    Dublin(I had seen them a few times outdoors) and what a superb show it
    was from the beginning with the haunting saunds of Bullet the Blue Sky
    to the soft Running to stand Still to the wonderful With or Without
    You, the whole thing was so brilliant. Now with this proposed new tour,
    I will try to take in as many shows as possible. I hear they may be
    playing Wembley stadium as early as February and I would dearly love to
    see them at that venue.
         There is a problem with BALZAC::FOOTBALL at the moment so all of
    you may be reading quite a bit from me in and around the music
    conferences, especially the U2 topics.
    
         rgds,
          Martin.

    Cunno, - he hates the Mancs!

    I hear there's going to be a new single out next week and a new album
    next month.
    
    
    Alice T.

      
    
    according to good old reliable ceefax.....the single is called 'the
    fly' and will be released third or fourth week in september.
    
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
      And there's more....
    
      the album as already revealed in the other music topic will
      probably be called "actung baby" and include the title track
      of the latest wim wenders movie 'until the end of the world'
    
      u2 have said that the movie sound track is not to be released
      until a month after the release of their own album...well that
      seems far enough to me :)
    
      giles
    

    
    
     heard on radio one this morning that the single has been 
     pushed back to october and the album to november..does
     anyone know why?
    
     giles
    
    

    
    
       yes, it's another of those "live aid " type rumours that
       seem to sprout up every time a major 'earthquake' happens.
    
       this time, what with the political upheavals in russia, the 
       news of the world brings us this exclusive..... big name bands
       like u2 are being 'approached ' for a gig (man) on the 21st
       sept in the heart of the soviet republic.
    
       i doubt they'll make it as they'll still be re-re-remixing their
       album :-)
    
       giles
    
    

    Personally I'd prefer to see Donna Summer play there first.

    This is a gig made for the B-hole Surfers.
    
    Ray

    
    
       And still speculation is rife over the actual release date
       of the eighth u2 album....and still more rumours. it seems
       pm dawn has been asked to remix  some of the tracks.
    
       also, u2 appear on a compilation album 'Q - the album'
       i suppose released by the magazine of the same name..no
       idea of which track however.
    
       a rumour a day keeps the album away  :-)
    
       giles
    
    

    
    
    
        The latest melody maker (available at all good magazine
        etc..) quotes a tentative date of 21st october as the
        release date of the single 'the fly'. it also mentions
        that more exact details should come to light next week
    
        .....and like i haven't already heard that!?
    
        giles
    
        p.s.  the latest record collector has a vaguely interesting
              look at books and videos released about the group...
              available at all good etc..
    
    

    gawd, I wish they would just get it over with...
    
    kev
    

    
    >> gawd, I wish they would just get it over with...
    
    So do I...their career that is. :^)
    
    
    

    I met a guy last week who works for Phonogram in Paris, and he
    had a CD containing the new single, straight from LA, which he wasn't
    allowed to take out of the office... not least because it was two
    B-sides in a row and no A-side. Heh heh heh.
    
    Bet that must be worth  few bob.
    
    Piers

    re .141
    
    that would be too much to ask for...

    
    
      According to the latest press releases...the single WILL come
      out on october 21st with a weird sounding b-side like 'alex descends
      down to hell with a pint of milk - korona 1 ' ??????
    
      12" and cd single will have an additional track, 'lounge fly mix'
      
    
      giles
    
    

The B side is one of the songs which was written by bono and the edge for the 
stage version of A Clockwork Orange. This probably explains the weird title.

regards,

Jim.

    
    
       whatever happened to 'a clockwork orange'? i remember all the
       hype :-) beforehand and the reviews in the music press...then
       nothing. was it THAT short lived?
    
       also, u2 were reported doing a video in piccadilly (i presume
        london to manchester) earlier this week for their latest
       single, god forbid we ever get to hear it. anyone lucky enough
       to be in the area when this took place?
    
       giles
    
    

     re "Clockwork Orange"
    
     I think it was only intended for a limited run. Burgess apparently
     liked the U2 (or was it just The Edge?) soundtrack not one little 
     bit. 
    
     Barry. 

Hi Barry,

>>> Burgess apparently liked the U2 (or was it just The Edge?) soundtrack not 
>>> one little bit.

As far as I know the music was written by bono and  the edge and performed by U2. 

Regards,

Jim.

    U2 are supposed to begin a two year world tour about Christmas time. I 
    wonder this time will they be playing the big stadia like on the Joshua 
    Tree tour or will they concentrate on the smaller venues? I am really
    looking forward to the new album and as soon as the proposed tour
    begins, I shall go and see them.
    
    Cunno.

    
    
       after playing a burst from the title track of the second album
       this morning, (think about it), simon mayo of warty radio one 
       fame reckoned that he might be playing the new single on his
       show NEXT wednesday, ho hum.
    
    
       giles
    
    

    
    
       the latest edition of select magazine is beating the band wagon
       by getting in a 'u2 story' before the rest of the music rags.
       however, the seven sided story is in fact a mish mash of collected
       press cuttings and rehashed old stories, plus the history of
       ireland, the politics of russia and a lot of waffling rumours.
       there is a small paragraph mentioning the new album (other than
       the obvious 'we are looking for a new direction' type quotes).
       the 'fly' single is pure thrash, says select, complete with
       squalls of feedback. on other tracks (it quotes a song called
       'wild horses') adam's bass is used to thunderous effect(?). the
       album sites its sources as bowie,ultrvox and even procul harem, with
       acoustic guitar strums, strings and church organ respectively.
       there are also funky work outs, soul harmonies and Stone's style
       rock'n'roll riffs. the "expansine dream-like mantra" of 'until the
       end of the day' beats simple minds at their own game. thank god :-)
    
      other interesting bits..the album was done in berlin's hansa "by the
      wall" studio. and i didn't know that the edge had split up with his
      wife aislinn last may. the rest of it is your typical 'what rock
      stars with money get up to ' type story. a bit let reviewing a film
      by describing the cinema and it's past history.
    
       giles
    
      oh yes...the magazine (november edition) comes with a very exciting
      almost enticing, poster montage of the band, and the accompanying
      photos that go with the story seem up to date (ish)
    
    

    
    
    
        it's true i tell ye!  simon mayo confirmed for definite
        that he will be playing the new single next wednesday
        on radio one (the exclusive number one no adverts only
        kylie and jason station) between 8 and 9 a.m.
    
        but only if you're interested, you know
    
        giles
    
    
    
    

    
    
      okay so i've heard it at last...a very heavy, dirty guitar 
      intro, followed by a solid drum beat, and back to the guitar
      'riff' that is the backbone to the song. bono sings about
      secrets...and someone bursts into falsetto a couple of times
      over bono's deep growl (by comparison) i thought the edge was
      going to break into the solo he did for 'silver & gold' from
     'rattle and hum' at one point. not forgetting the throbbing
      bass from adam...and the very danceable beat from larry....
      a very sure fire dancefloor smasheroonee as they say..loved it.
    
    
               '...and men will beg, and men will crawl
                   in the sheer face of love, like a fly on the wall,
    
                          it's no secret...'
    
    
        giles (in between listens on the walkman)
    
    

    I thought it was going well till the someone bursted into that falsetto
    in the middle. 

    >I thought it was going well till the someone bursted into that
    >falsetto in the middle.
    
    I thought there was something wrong the the radio (like some other
    station coming in) when I heard it, till I realized it was part of the
    song.  
    
    -Vicki

    Having heard this 'trash' on numerous occassionson on various radio
    stations (retuning trying to avoid the hype associated with this
    garbage),I have come to the conclusion that U2 are again 'stealing'
    Beatle ideas while trying to achieve the claim as the world's number
    one band,the "feedback" is reminiscent of the Beatle tune "Mr.Kite" and
    "Sgt. Peppers",;the video for "where the streets.." was based on the 
    Beatles performance on the Apple rooftoop for the filming of "Let it
    Be",the song "God part II"(i think that's the name) on the album
    "Rattle and..." is a negated version of Lennon's song "Mother"...
    
    The only reason for these guys sucess is that they've got a good
    manager,they play the image in the States "Hello I'm bono from Dublin
    Ireland..will you buy my record please!!!".....this music is stagnant,
    stale,and twenty five years behind its time!!
    
    Long live THE BEATLES the original FAB FOUR!
    
    
    M.J.
    
    time to get that aerosol can!! 

    RE-1
    
    hear hear!
    
    The same with Dire Strai(gh)t,their latest album drags on the one before
    Terribly dire strait(dutch translation: verschrikkelijk bekrompen)
    
    Jan.

    
    
      ref .156
    
       m.j.,
             fair do's regarding influences, but every band has its
             comparisons from decades since. the examples you give
             are fairly tenuous (one song sounds a 'bit' like another 
             ...i disagree, but get your point.. and they've both
             played on  a roof top). but they couldn't survive this
             long without having one decent song to their name.
    
             ok..their 'american' period did see them producing, in
             my opinion, their worst or most stale stuff. but i thought
             the new single more to my taste and will give the new album
             the benefit of the doubt before trashing them.
    
             hey...but each to their own. did you like their music once?
    
             giles
    
            
    
    
    
    
    
    

    Re; .156, m.j.:
    
    U2 ripped-off the Beatles??? well, maybe, but then the Beatles ripped-off
    Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, and Bo Diddly.
    
    All variations of the same theme, bound to be similarities - it would
    be rarer if they *didn't* sound alike at times.
    
    -James

Sometimes I get the feeling that when bands get called derivative, what it
really means is that they can write a good tune. Cf Lenny Kravitz.


Rod

    No, Lenny Kravitz is pure rip-off.

    
    I was reading my notes and found one of those terminal art pictures of
    Madonna at 353.119 and was wondering if there was any such terminal art
    on U2 or would anyone out there be able to submit something.
    
        Martin.

    
    
        i see the trendy melody maker have slagged off the new single
        while the nme aren't quite so cruel...they just hate the b-sides
        ceefax(c4) give it the big thumbs up...and top of the pops are
        supposedly airing the video tonight...
    
    
      giles
    
    

saw the video on the _all_new_ ToTP last night - I think that the song is quite
good, I really like the falsetto bit (hope there's a 'Falsetto Mix' of it
as a b-side)

the video itself was nothing new though...


...art

    
    The video looked as if U2 were trying to be INXS!
    
    However, my wife (who is a fan of neither especially) reckons INXS have 
    never made a record as bad as this U2 one.
    
    Her opinion, not mine (although it's not a classic, is it?)
    
    Mark

    Its not a classic, but I liked it.  I couldnt suss the falsetto bit,
    but it seemed to work at the end as a collage of sound.  I liked the
    video, the sunglasses, and piles of tvs.  The guitar solo is seriously
    dull.
    
    Mikef  

    
>> The guitar solo is seriously dull.
    
    Whadaya expect from The Edge ? granted, he's a great rhythm player but
    he's not exactly a good soloist is he ?

    In technical terms? I don't really care.  Its the tune that matters to
    me.  He's done some bursts that made me wanna go and beat my grannie to
    death, but this latest thing adds nothing for me.
    
    Mikef

    
    Dear Miikef,
    
    Being "Technical" has nothing to do with it.
    
    -Tony (stating his eversohumbleopinion)

    Oh dear - do we have one of the famous ratholes approaching?  What I
    meant was - I'm just interested in the tune being played, nothing else. 
    In this case myeversohumbleopinion was that the tune was dull and
    uninspired.  Lets not get into argurments about good vs bad guitar
    players.  That Joe whassit chappie is a good player, but his tunes
    ought to have been buried under cement years ago. (Santrini, or
    something?).
    
    Mikef

    
    
    
       the edge has always been a sound man rather than a 
       tunesmith...like someone else said, a good rhythm
       player. his "solo's" are his own!
    
       check out the lounge fly mix to see how much his guitar
       is missing compared to the original single...sounds like
       auntie playing her yamaha organ in the background
    
    
    
    
        giles
    
    

    
    Re:.170 and Joe Satriani
    
    Thanks God we agree on something then.

    I',m sure we agree on lots of things...
    
    How is your band?  I was very interested in seeing you after reading
    your description.  Doing anything in Reading? 
    
    
    Mikef

    
    Band is going well, rehearsing hard and we've just got a new singer. We
    should be gigging at the end of November. When we do, I'll post a note
    in here so people can check it out if they're interested.
    
    -Tony

    Straight in at number 1, to be expected I suppose with the current
    climate in the british music front. The song has started to grow on
    me at last....
    
    Graeme

    
    
      from the land of u2 bashing comes a report of critics 
      lashing out at the fiendish sales marketing ploy of
      releasing the current single for three weeks only, then
      withdrawing it from circulation because.....u2 want to 
      release another single and the album before xmas. is this
      true, and if so, why do it?
    
    
      giles
    
    

    There is the thinking that some people may be more interested in the
    single than the L.P. . If the single is withdrawn early than a lot of
    people have no choice but to buy the L.P.if they want that song.
     Vanilla Ice did this (Actually his record company did) in the states
    with "Ice Ice....  "(...blah..) .This increased interest in the L.P.
    and subsequently it want to no.1 .
      As to releasing another single before X-mas. Well, if "The Fly" was
    still around it might hurt sales of the next single .Also (and more
    importantly) more records are bought at this time of year (lead up to
    christmas) than the rest of the year put together. A second single
    would promote the L.P. still further coming up to Christmas and the
    dividends would be high 
      It all makes COMMERCIAL sense  ,which like it or not is the way most
    record companies think . Note the Michael Jackson L.P. was originally
    supposed to come out the same date (accidently)  as the Prince  L.P.
     but got delayed for that reason .It was then supposed to come out on
    Nov. 18 but it has now been put back again 'cos thats the date for the
    U2 l.p. . Mike and Epic records know it will hurt then & U2 to release
    on the same day. The whole lot stinks,
    
                    Niall
    

I'm really glad that they orchestrated the thing to knock that awful
B. Adams song off top spot - at looooong last :-)


...art

    > at loooong last
    
    Shouldn't there have been 16 o's in loooong?
    
               Niall

    
    
       in the music note reports are that the group are
       appearing on the dave fanning show...as per usual
       radio one are doing their own little overblown
       exclusive, playing a u2 song every fifth record all
       day plus exclusive plays of the new lp on the gary davies
       show plus prizes like touring with the band and stuff
       all tomorrow
    
       giles 

    Just heard three "totally exclusive" tracks off the album on local
    Swiss station Couleur 3, and boy, am I disappointed. Indeed I am. i
    remember when U2 were innovative, fun, blah blah blah blah
    
    Piers

    Funny thing Piers , the music press are falling over themselves with
    this thing. Q magazine gave it ***** out of ***** and Vox gave it L.P.
    of the month. However both of them said that the l.p. is a little
    difficult the first time you hear it. Mabye it will be more rewarding
    than you think.
     And before you say anything I've never been a fan of the band . The
    only U2 l.p. I own is Rattle and Hum . I can't stand most of their
    early material (heresy considering I'm Irish) . It should be
    interesting to hear what they have to say to Dave Fanning tonight (if
    they're on ).
    
                   Niall
    

    Yes, but I have a history of liking each new U2 album less than its
    predecessor, from Boy onwards. I'll give it another chance I guess, but
    not at the risk of buying the thing just yet. Stay tuned.
    
    Piers

    
    Actung Baby was premiered last night on Dave Fanning and he played
    eight of the tracks. It is a twelve track album and is just under one 
    hour long. The two best songs in my opinion are called 'one' and
    'who's goin to ride your wild horses' which is absolutely brilliant
    and if released as a single will be at number one for about 20 weeks.
      So far, I have heard nine of the twelve songs
    
              The Fly
              One
              Until the end of the world
              Mysterious ways
              Acrobat
              Zoo station
              So cruel
              Who's goin to ride your wild horses
              Even better than the real thing
    
             Cunno
    
    

    When is the aforementioned album available in Ireland???
    	
    I unintentionally heard "Mysterious Ways" on 2FM yesterday evening and
    found similarities between this melody and much of Hall and Oates soul
    music,are U4 changing their styles to capture a larger audience???? 

    
    
       the song 'mysterious ways' will be the next single
       tracks that stuck out for me were 'zoo station' and
       'one'....radio one were running various competitions 
        trips to usa/dublin/first gig on next tour signed 
       album sets,a trabant car similar to the album cover,etc
       ...if you want the questions, i have them
    
       ...oh, and paul gambacini is doing one of his thingy
       appreciations of the band on saturday radio one 2pm
    
       giles
    
    

    Re -.2 ,
    
        How can U2 be reaching out for a larger audience than they've got?
    The Joshua Tree sold 16 million copies and Rattle & Hum sold 12
    million. Collectively their l.p.s have sold over 50 million copies .
    They only way they can look for a larger audience is to go to China!
    
          Niall

    That's nothing - Reader's Digest sells 28 million copies a month...
    
    Piers

    But Readers Digest sold out on it's soul and artistic integrity. It's
    just a bland sham you know .They're all out to get us poor consumers.
    
               Niall
    

    >But Readers Digest sold out on it's soul and artistic integrity. It's
    >just a bland sham you know .They're all out to get us poor consumers.
    
    I seriously thought you were discussing Dire Straits/Simple
    Minds/U2/Phil Collins* there.
    
    Piers
    
    				* delete as applicable

    Well there were a few hundred people in the que last night outside a
    few of the record shops around the country (HMV it says in the papers).
    Needless to say there were lots of piccies in the papers etc. Was that
    the situation in the UK?
    
            Niall

there certainly wasn't a queue at HMV in Reading when I bought my copy this
morning, in fact I was just about the only customer in the shop...


...hype

    Anyone catch Danny Baker's show on GLR yesterday? His comments about
    Adam Clayton revealing his "chap" to the world via the new album were
    so true. I mean, who really wants to see his "chap?" Don't tell me,
    all you U2 fans thinks it's some kind of valid artistic statement?
    Still, at least the Americans won't have to see it, their censors,
    armed with their scissors will consign Adam's bish to the cutting
    room floor. Hooray!
    
    Barry.

    What on earth are you talking about?
    
    
    Hick in the sticks

    Stickers will be provided for the American market to cover Adam's
    (where's EVE?) willy. So the Americans don't HAVE to see it but they
    can if they want. If it offends you so much why don't you stick a
    little white label on it and pretend he hasn't got one. 
      I'm not a fan of the band but he is entitled to show his thingie if
    he so desires. After all it's not the most morally corrupting picture
    in the world ,is it?
    
    
             Mary Whorehous*s best friend,
    
                                       Niall

    
    I bet they'll be several jokes floating around about the size of the 
    stickers, but I'll refrain.

    Big is Beautiful?
    

    I'm refraining.

We noticed Tony, we noticed. :^)

    
    Getting back to the album,
                              I got the album last Saturday and have been 
    listening to it quite a bit and I am very impressed with it. There are
    several superb tracks and they will do very well when released. The
    tracks 'One' and 'Who's gonna ride your wild horses' is absolutely
    superb and either of them could become as popular as the U2 anthem
    'Bad'.
    The whole track listing is as follows:
    
    Zoo Station
    Even better than the real thing
    One
    Until the end of the world
    Who's gonna ride your wild horses
    So cruel
    The Fly
    Mysterious ways
    Tryin' to throw your arms around the world
    Ultra violet (light my way)
    Acrobat
    Love is blindness
    
    Cunno.
    
     

	>> If it offends you so much why don't you stick a
	>> little white label on it and pretend he hasn't got one. 
      	>> I'm not a fan of the band but he is entitled to show his 
	>> thingie if he so desires. After all it's not the most 
	>> morally corrupting picture in the world ,is it?
    
    
             Mary Whorehous*s best friend,
    
                                       Niall


Niall, 

I'm not dealing with morals here, just the wisdom of the whole affair
and U2's intentions on carrying the picture. I think it's a scream
but only in as much as it makes the bloke and his "old chap" look
completely and utterly ridiculous. Makes a change though from standing
in the desert looking desperately miserable. 

Barry.

p.s. Does the album come with a gatefold pop up version. :^)

    What do you expect to pop up ? 
    Adam looks as miserable in the nude as he does in the desert. Mabye
    they will have a picture of him nude *IN* the desert the next time.
     To be honest if I had a body like that I wouldn't be such an
    exhibitionist about it.
    
            Niall

    Puts the dick back in dickhead, does it?
    
    Piers

    Most certainly does. My latest theory is that inside every album you
    get get seven different cut out costumes, one for every day of the week, 
    in which to dress Adam. A bit like those old "Bunty" comics which
    I never used to read...honest.
    
    Barry.

    Well, thoughts on the album?  I like it, I think.  
    
    Its a move away from the bland Americana of The Joshua Tree, there are
    no real stadium pleasers on this record.  In places, it sounds like
    they have been listening to My Bloody Valentine, there are some good
    NOISES on here, esp on the opening track 'Zoo Station'.  I thinkthe
    better tracks are those where they move away from the older U2 sound. 
    Tracks such as 'Wild Horses' become very dull after a minute or two.  
    
    This album will lose them a certain sub-section of their audience (and
    no bad thing), but its a brave move to release something as different
    as this is in parts.  
    
    Dark underbellies ahoy.
    
    Mikef

    Just to let you UK noters know what's going on here in the States. 
    It's selling rather briskly - there is a lot of talk (maybe too much
    talk) about the notorious Adam in the buff picture.  There was a
    segment on Entertainment Tonight last evening on the controversy and
    they had this female Ph.D (in what I don't know) stating that it's
    pornographic and that it's illegal to take your clothes off in front of
    children no matter if it's just on an album cover.  Then they
    interviewed people in line to buy it and the consensus there was "big
    deal".  They also interviewed David Bowie who evidently got some flack
    about his recent release that has four naked statues on it (first
    I heard about a negative reaction) and he said he hopes U2 starts a
    trend of a rash of newly released stuff from people with naked people
    on the covers (words to that effect).  He basically said a lot of people
    have penises (good point, Dave).
    
    The best part though, was Paul McGinnis saying that the United States
    is really the only country they're having a problem with and that if
    the distributors felt there was going to be a problem "they should put
    stickers over the offending member....uhm the offending band member". 
    I was rooolllllling.
    
    As Bono would say - only in Amerrica.
    
    Oh - what do I think of the album?  Won't be picking it up 'til Friday
    so I'll let you know then.  FIDDLER_M - your comments about it being
    different - would you liken it to The Unforgettable Fire?  A lot of
    people didn't like it but it's one of my favorites.
    
    T
    

    re-1 - Unforgettable is just about mu favourite also.  Its the same in
    attitude, but has a very harsh feel to it.  Linear is not a word that
    could be used to describe it.
    
    Also - nakedness.  Is this pic on the back of the LP sleeve?  On the
    CD, its only on the inner booklet, and as Leonie said 'what a small
    thing'.  
    
    I guess that people are covering up classical statues and paintings in
    the US?
    
    Mikef

    Yes, Mike, it's the picture on the LP sleeve that sports the stickers.
    
    Interesting you describe the sound of this release as "harsh".  I would
    describe the sound of The Unforgettable Fire as "fuzzy".
    
    I guess that people are covering up classical statues & paintings in
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    US?
    ^^^
    To answer your question, IMHO there has been a swing towards
    conservativism in this country beginning with Reagan's election.  This
    is not necessarily good or bad.  Evidence of this can be seen in the
    re-emergence of the abortion issue, sex education in the school systems
    issue, the recent governorship election in Louisiana, the move to ban
    certain books in school libraries, etc.  Recently there was a big
    controversy about a showing of pictures by Robert Mapelthorpe that was
    funded by the National Endowment for the Arts (federally funded)
    because certain pictures were considered pornographic.  This morning on
    the news was a piece on a school out in the Midwest that has banned
    school dances.  Why?  Because boys and girls touch each other when they
    dance and who knows what that could lead to.
    
    So, I don't mean to get long-winded but perhaps this explains why this
    flap about Adam's picture is taking place.  We Americans seem to want
    to have our cake and eat it, too.  We don't want abortion but we don't
    want to talk about sex.  We don't want the spread of AIDS but we don't
    want to allow the advertisement of condoms on television.  We want
    freedom of the press/speech but God forbid some kid should look at
    Adam's picture and have verification right before their eyes that men 
    have penises.  Well, I'll get off my soapbox now.
    
    Oh, one more thing.  U2 aren't the only ones with PR problems here. 
    The FOX affiliates got numerous irate phone calls after Michael
    Jackson's B&W video debuted the other night.  People were offended by
    the "crotch grabbing" and the smashing up of the car.  MJ edited that
    part out of the video and apologized to everyone for offending them.
    
    Regards,
    
    T
    
      

>    The FOX affiliates got numerous irate phone calls after Michael
>    Jackson's B&W video debuted the other night.  People were offended by
>    the "crotch grabbing" and the smashing up of the car.  MJ edited that
>    part out of the video and apologized to everyone for offending them.
    
This would be a single off the album "Dangerous", is that right?


Rod

    re.:211 - Yes, "Black or White".

    
    
     ref : this weeks nme
    
     bono went on irish radio to refute allegations that island records
     were pulling a fast one by pulling supply of the single 'the fly'
     after just three weeks. he said "there have been these very false
     accusations of us hyping our record which is the last thing we need
     to do" bono went on to say that the reason they are not giving
     interviews is so that the music speaks for itself...which is why
     there are loads of brian eno/daniel lanois interviews around.
    
     the new single 'mysterious ways' is out this monday, with exclusive
     remixes by paul oakenfold & stereo mc's on 12" and presumably cd.
     tour news is still speculative as bono said the band were in a 
     position to do what they wanted, i.e. play stadiums AND smaller
     venues when and where they so desired. 
    
     the more i listen to the album, the more i hear the unforgettable
     fire/joshua tree/rattle & hum, but recorded in berlin. now that's
     either because u2 can only produce the u2 sound, or the change of
     scenery helped. or both.
    
     giles
    
    

    The L.P. came straight in at no.1 in the U.S. yesterday.(Billboard).
    That's their third U.S. no.1 L.P. in a row.
    
                       Niall
    

    Straight in at number two in the Gallop charts....Michael Jackson
    pipped them with his new entry....
    
    Graeme

    I saw that . I'd like to know what the sales figures were.
    
                Niall

    Can't help you with the figures, sorry.
    
    Graeme

    "Achtung Baby" seems to be selling well here in Japan, though I don't 
    have any exact figures myself. How I can tall that was by a famous record 
    shop which set up a wall of small TVs with the U2 video clips, probably 
    from the latest one, and other posters, too. 

    While it may not necessarily mean that the CD is actually selling well, 
    but the record shop is trying to do so. In fact, the shop is supposed 
    to be one of the few finest and sophisticated ones. 

    They said on the cover that the CD was put on the stores all over the 
    world on Nov 18, according to a huge paper ad. Is this correct?

    Also, when I got the CD, I also got a pictures and lyrics book, with 
    Adam standing up almost naked. Is he really? If so, I'd be surprized 
    it didn't catch an attention ("Achtung") from censorship in Japan!

    Yukimi

    He's naked where it counts...
    
    	- andy

    >> "Achtung Baby" seems to be selling well here in Japan, though I don't 
    
    Yukimi, just out of interest, how much (in $) does the CD cost in
    Tokyo?
    
    Phillip

    Re-1 yes Yukimi I'm very interested too in that sale price.
         CD's here cost well over $19,- average.Imported CD's cost about
         $12,- in Holland.
     Re: the album here in The Netherlands is sold without any form of
         visual cencoring.
    
    Jan.

RE: *.220    

>    Yukimi, just out of interest, how much (in $) does the CD cost in
>    Tokyo?
    
Hi, Phillip. Ususally, a CD album costs somewhat around $21.50.
And a single CD would be $5.40 anywhere in Japan. Imported ones 
would be slightly cheaper, with no translated lyrics, but still 
something like $17.00. Sounds expensive, doesn't it? 
So when I visited the U.S. last month on vacation, I could have 
crazily bought those CDs priced like $9.99 unless the assertive part 
of my brain told me not to invest all the money there! 

FYI, a 90-100 minutes-long music or movie VHS video generally costs $90. 
Longer ones like Gone with the Wind would be more expensive. 

Yukimi

    What's the average wage in Japan, Yukimi?
    
    It's very difficult to judge relative prices without that, but your
    video prices sound horrific, even by European standards.
    
    Mark

RE: 493.223

Hi, Mark.

>    What's the average wage in Japan, Yukimi?

Uh-oh, I'm confusing you, amn't I? 
Though it really depens on each industry, an average male newly college 
graduate who does a clerical job would earn $30,500. If you are a female, 
you would get paid about 85-95% of a male. However, if you are a specialist, 
like an engineer, or an excellent sales rep, you'd be able to earn more. 
They say discrimination by sex was diminished, but it still exists somehow. 

And you know what? It costs at *least* $800,000 to own a 2-bedroom 
condominium in Tokyo, let alone a house with a yard. So most of us, including 
me rent a room in outskirts of the capitol, forcing ourselves long-hour train 
ride. My case is hardly bad, with one hour and half from door to door.

Yukimi

    
    Um, makes Videos sound VERY expensive.
    
    I've seen the scenes of Tokyo commuting. I thought going to London
    every day was bad news when I had to do it, but it doesn't even come
    close! :^)
    
    Mark

>>So how do you like this new-born "Baby" yourself, Philip and Jan?
>>I think it's more romantic and sexual than the last two, "The Joshua Tree" 
>>and "Rattle and Hum." And I feel more European (German?) influence than 
>>the American, which also characterizes the last two. In terms of my 
>>preference, I simply accept that this is where U2 are heading for a while and 
>>I'm looking forward to see how it develops. I can't wait to see the movie 
>>which features their song "The End of the World."
    
    To be honest Yukimi, I only bought it on Sunday and haven't had time to
    listen to it properly. But initial impression is that it's good, away
    from the blues/soul sound of the last few albums to a dirtier sort of
    noise - whether this is "European" or not I'm not too sure.
    
    As for "The End of the World" I saw the movie last week. Great
    soundtrack but I'm pretty sure Nick Cave sings this track. As for the
    movie - well ... some great ideas, some great scenes but it doesn't
    really come together.
    
    
>>music and art things like a ripoff. When I went to a Rolling Stones concert 
>>last year, they charged me $78.00 for the seat way back, where I could 
    
    $78 to see The Rolling Stones!! Serves you right.
    
    
    Phillip

    re. -1
    
    Thanks, I've been trying to think of a way of describing "AB" and I
    think "dirtier" is the best way of summing it up.
    
    I could probably add to that with - it has an almost "raw" sound to it.
    
    All in all I think it is excellent and is by far the most different of
    all of their sounds.
    
    
    Tracy W.

    
    
        BBC1 are showing 'rattle and hum' on january 2nd late at night
    
        fun for all the family.......
    
             giles
    
    

    I'm completely taken with 'Achtung Baby'.  Thier best album?  Probably. 
    A couple of plodders, but the good stuff is GOOD.  Some grim lyrics as
    well, none of this happiness nonesense.  You can't beat good solid
    misery.
    
    Mikef

    I saw "Rattle and Hum". I also saw a giant American flag made of fire
    works. I know their music didn't sound too inspiring at that point in
    the proceedings but what a way to impress the audience.
    
    I also got Actung Baby for Christmas, which IMHO gives a less crass
    commercial impression of the band.
    
    Mike Webster

    
    A serious question...
    
    How can a band that big be so damn boring both on stage and off ?

    Is there any band that big who aren't boring?
    
    Mikef

    re -2
    
    I wouldn't call them boring on stage!!!!
    
    I suppose you're more into the Madonna type concert?
    
    Graeme

    re .233
    
    No.
    
    Enlighteningly yours,
    
    Bob

    .234
    
    Er.. You don't know me very well do you so I wouldn't advice personal
    attacks. My music tastes are wide and varied and used to include U2 -
    up to when they got boring, comercial, greedy and rather too 'trendy'
    conscious.
    
    -Tony

    Interesting Tony, I'd have said the early stuff was far more commercial
    than Achtung.  And Achtung certainly isn't 'trendy'.  
    
    Strange tho, you certainly always struck me as a Madonna fan...must be
    her guitar solos...(oblig ;-), but you know that anyway).
    
    Mikef

    
    re: Mike, Madonna ? Aww... She's my idol ;^)
    
    Well, if you listen to the general 'feel' of Achtung Baby (which I
    have heard but haven't bought) it reminds me very much of the flood of
    Manchester/indie/whatever_you_like_to_call_them type bands with the off
    beat drum groove, the wah wah pedal type scratchy thing and the fairly
    dynamic vocals. My fav U2 album is 'Under a Blood Red Sky' and in my 
    humble opinion they'veeadily gone downhill since.
    
    But then it is only my humble opinion.
    -Tony

    Hmmm, we're gonna have to agree to differ (again!).
    
    Now, what about Nirvana?
    
    Mikef

    Don't worry about Mike, Tony. I'm with you. U2 post Blood Red Sky
    should be used only as part of A Briefing for a Descent into Hell (note
    the literary reference - anyone know where it comes from?)
    
    Balders
    
    PS Sorry Mike but Achtung Baby makes me yeuch....

    re -.1 "Briefing for a Descent into Hell"
    
    Was this a book by Doris Lessing?
    
    Cheers,
    George

    re .241
    
    Yup. Spot On. A-Plus with Gold Star. Its about madness. Very
    appropriate I thought.
    
    Balders

    Nah, you're all wrong.  Achtung is their best lp, with some wondefully
    grim lyrics.
    
    Mikef 

>>     Note 493.243 by UBOHUB::FIDDLER_M "Talkin about the End of the World"
>>                -< each to his own, except that I'm right >-
    
    
    Wipe your chin there

    Joshua Tree was fine - Rattle and hum was crap.
    
    I only got AB this morning (for my birthday) so on one hearing....it's
    okay.
    
    ish.

    That was a good interesting two cents worth..I hear you...

   How about giving marks out of ten for all of U2'S Albums from your own
point of view. I'll start the ball rolling;

    BOY     9  (Very good album that gets better with every hearing)

OCTOBER     7  (Nowhere as good as Boy. Gloria best offering)
 
    WAR     8  (Great stuff)

UABR SKY    8  (Great live tape-Electric Co the best)

UN FIRE     7  (Didn't like stuff like 4th July, Wire or Indian summer sky)

JOSHUA TR   10 ( My favourite offering-brilliant)

RATTLE &
   HUM      8  (Despite most peoples comments, I really liked this double
                offering especially slow songs like "All I want is you",
                "Heartland", "Love rescue me", "Hawkmoon 269" and the gospel
                version of "I still haven't found"

ACHTUNG
   BABY     8  (Takes a while  to get used to. Favourite song is  "One" 
                followed by "So Cruel" and "Who's gonna ride your wild
                horses)


      Let's make this  note a bit more active and has anybody out there
      any info on any tour dates( if they are arranged). They are supposed
      to start a tour sometime this year and I would be especially interested
      in the London dates.

           Martin    		

    That Austrian version of U2's Still haven't found what I'm looking for
    is hillarious. Is that some Irish brass band? "hoompapa hoompapa yodel
    yodel" hahahahahaha.
    

    RE:-1,
    	BTW...Larry Mullen did play with The Artane Boys Brass Band X years
    ago....

    Martin, the albums you've awarded the lowest marks to happen to be
    my faves. Such is life. 
    
    A caller to Danny Baker's GLR show recounted the experience of seeing
    a band at a small provincial club back in 1980. The band came on amidst
    a wall of feedback which was never sorted out. As if to compound the 
    already sorry state of affairs the singer managed to smash himself in 
    the eye trying to adjust the mike. Result? The singer stormed off
    crying, end of set. The singer, why Bono of course! The band? U2.
    Heh! Heh! Heh!
    
    Barry.

    
    
       seems the band have decided to speak up for themselves
       now, with an interview coming soon to your radio this
       thursday 7pm...radio one, that is. simon mayo casually
       announced it this morning... didn't say which members 
       though.  and they're releasing "one" as a single soon,
       with a campfire (?) version of lou reed's 'satellite of
       love' and another tune on the b-side (this month maybe)
       ..details were in last weeks melody maker if anyone's
       still got it....and reports are that they will only be
       playing the one night at wembley on the tour.
    
    
      giles
    
    
       

    
    
      actually all of the band will be turning up, and it's at
      7.30 tomorrow night, and the release date of the single 
      is feb 24th.
    
      giles
    

     
    IMO Achtung Baby sees U2 return to their best.
    
    I was never a great fan of The Joshua Tree as it was far too smooth.
    The new album is rougher, possibly even trashy...all in all excellent
    stuff.
    
    Maybe it's just because it's new material and it's fresh to the ears
    but for me it's their best since Boy.
    
    Derzo.

    There Zoo TV concerts meant to be amazing. I just hope I can get a
    ticket when they come up to Scotland. I might venture down for the free
    concert that is seemingly taking place in or around London..
    
    Graeme

    I did have a set list for the Zoo tour, but I left it with Ed...the
    reviews were all amazingly good, with part of the set being played in a
    more intimate style (in the middle of the auditorium, semi acoustic
    style).  As for getting tix - be prepared to work VERY hard!  On eshow
    in each town they do, so each tic will have about 50 people after it.
    
    Mikef

    
    Hi there,
    
    is there anyone who knows the tour dates in Europe. I know that U2 in
    playing in Stockholm at 10th & 11th of June which would be the nearist
    spot as I'm living in Finland. But the specific dates are not so good.
    
    Thanks,
       Heikki

    Just read in this mornings paper they will be playing in Paris on 7th
    May and Dortmund 3rd June.
    
    Still waiting for UK dates.  Does anyone get Propaganda?  They usually
    send out application forms for tickets etc, but I haven't had the
    spring edition yet.
    
    Tracy W

    
    
     uk dates....
    
             venue          date            telephone        price
    
          earl's court      31/5/92        071 379 6131      #19
          b'ham nec         01/6/92        021 780 4133      #19
          sheffield arena   17/6/92        0742 565656       #19
          glasgow secc      18/6/92        031 557 6969      #19.70
    
          tickets on sale from these venues 9.00a.m. 02/05/92...this
          saturday...limited to two per buyer.
    
    
          giles
    

    they will be in Vienna, Austria, on 24th of May (open air).
    
    

    
          support for the uk dates are fatima mansions (who?)
    
    
          giles
    
    

    I'd go and see Fatima Mansions before U2 anyday..
    
    kev

Playing Lausanne in Switzerland on 12th May with Pixies and Fatima Mansions
(half of Microdisney) as support. I heard their tickets sold out in an hour.


Rod

    
    
    those kind people at broadcasting house have put tickets for the
    forthcoming u2 concert up for grabs..namely rail transport and
    hotel accommodation for all 4 do's plus tickets, if you can answer this
    question....where did the current tour kick off? just be as precise
    as you can (i.e. town in america) and send off to 'u2 comp' c/o radio
    one  etc etc
    
    giles
    
    

    So is anyone going to see the Zoo TV Tour?!
    
    I was very relieved to found out I had tickets on Friday - I had
    applied through U2 Info at the beginning of April, but having heard
    nothing assumed I wasn't going... then they arrived in the post on
    Friday!!  Earl's Court here I come.... :^)
    
    Anyone else going?
    
    Debs.  A FAN

    Should have tix for Earls Court also - looking forward to it!
    
    Mikef

    
     i went darn to earl's court v early saturday morning when the
     tickets went on sale..the queue was horrendously organised..so 
     i left (about 6 a.m.)...letters in the melody maker/nme seem to 
     suggest that the ticket organisation was a right balls up..glad
     i didn't stay...but i had a kind friend of a friend who camped 
     overnight at sheffield who's got me a ticket (must be mad)...
     
     anyone any news on the proposed manchester concert?
     also whatever became of the 'even better than the right thing'
     single..or even the announcement that the band were making a 
     video of the whole album? and why have they bought a hotel in
     dublin? and why is it so darn hot?
    
     giles
    
     
     
     giles
    

    I got tix thru calling the box office, but they haven't turned up yet. 
    anyone else have this prob?
    Mikef

    Hello guys, 
    I went in Lausanne (Switzerland) see the Zoo TV tour and that was just
    great.
    
    It was a shame that it was in an ice-rink but they promised that they
    would come back next year and play in a much bigger stadium...too bad
    too many people didn't get a ticket...
    A girl has been taken on stage by BONO and even got kissed...WOAW!!!
    Don't miss that tour !!!       
    I heard that they would play on New Year's Eve in Dublin...Does anybody
    has any info about this gig ?
    
    
    Thanks and see you maybe in Dublin
    
    Laurence
    from Geneva
    

    A suggestion from a Yank who saw them twice this past March.  In 21
    years of concert going I have never EVER heard a band this loud, not
    even when I've had seats within the first few rows.  I
    was really surprised because I'd seen them on previous tours and the
    difference this time around was amazing.  At first I thought it was
    just the arena (Hartford Civic Center) 'cause I'd never gone there
    before but they were equally as ear splitting at the Worcester Centrum. 
    It rather detracted from my enjoyment because it was just at the point
    of distortion - you could hardly hear Bono.
    
    Anyway, you might want to bring ear plugs to be on the safe side.  I
    found that if I stuck an index finger in each ear it stopped the
    distortion and echo and the sound was perfect.  I never thought I'd see
    the day when I'd be at a concert wishing I had a set of plugs but I'm
    sure bringing them with me to Foxboro this August.
    
    Anyway, enjoy yourselves.  It's really a good show - just don't go
    expecting nostalgia 'cause you won't hear anything from before The
    Joshua Tree unless they've changed the sets.  
    
    
    T
    

    Well, my U2 tix for the London show turned up today.  I'm right at the
    back of Earls Court, the furthest possible point from the stage. 
    Almost made me decide not to go.  Whats so wrong with playing Bilston
    town hall?  Never mind, perhaps they'll have some decent T-shirts. 
    Anyone else out there going?
    
    Mikef

      I'm also off to the concert on Sunday night and am really excited about
it. The last time I saw them was in the Point Depot in Dublin on 30/12/91 and
that was really brilliant. I couldn't believe my luck that I got tickets. A
friend of mine in London just rang me last week saying that he had two tickets
and asked was I coming over. Imagine U2 just playing one small concert in 
London where the demand is huge and I still get a ticket. 
By the way, what capacity is the Earl's court. I was told that it is about
5,000. Is it an all seater arena. I am listening to as much U2 these days
just to get in the mood for the show. I have read the last few notes and
the people who have seen the ZOO tour think it's great. I would also like them
to play some of the older stuff but they probably won't according to one of 
the last noters. I am really looking forward to new songs like 'One', 'Until
the end of the world', 'So Cruel', 'Who's gonna ride your wild horses', etc.

    
    E A R L 'S   C O U R T   H E R E   I   C O M E


         Martin

    re-1...errr, Earls Court is not small, its capacity is around 15000, so
    it is about half as big again as Wembley.  If, like me, you are stuck
    at the back of the hall up in the balcony, you can claim you were in
    the same building as U2, but whether I'll get to enjoy the gig or not
    is another matter...
    
    Perhaps I should sell mt ticket for a huge amount of money instead ;-) 
    Or perhaps not.
    
    Mikef

    RE-1...errr, Wembley stadium has 75000 capacity, that does make Earls
    Court comparitively small. Oh you were talking about wembley area ;-)
    
    Mike W.

    Yup - I was talking about Wembley Arena.  The stadium is so large that
    only the desperate would see gigs there.
    
    Mikef (anti large venue brigade)

    U.2.  at the Old Marquee Club.   That would be a better gig.
    
    (Though I imagine that it would be just a tad sold out!!!)
    

    
    
    seems greenpeace are about to benefit from bono and the boys
    who are playing somewhere (g-mex?) on june 19th....tickets
    available today at 5pm for personal callers but you could try
    phoning..(there's nothing like sketchy details)..and i'm sure
    that you had to give your greenpeace membership number or some
    thing when you booked...all very dodgy...but the venue is in
    manchester.......any reports on last night's intimate gig?
    
    giles
    
    

    Yes, they announced this on Radio 1 this morning.
    
    It is at the G-MEX in Manchester, other acts include Kraftwerk..
    Anyone can go, (personal callers only), but Greenpeace Members can call
    Greenpeace and quote their membership no. to order tickets.
    
    Incidentally, U2 (see review under Concert Reviews!) had Greenpeace
    messages flashing up on their screens last night - "React!", and "Stop
    Sellafield" etc, and advertising the Greenpeace Rally at Sellafield on
    June 20th.
    
    Debs.
    

    Anyone have the phone number, or know when tix actually go on sale?
    
    Mikef

    OK, who wants to _buy_ my Greenpeace number off me?
    
    Piers

U2 - Earls Court - 31 May

	Music for Aircraft Hangers - who needs it?  It comes to something 
when a band has to apologise for playing a venue 'as small as Earls Court'. 
I'm sure the dot in the distance was Bono.

	First up were Fatima Mansions, introduced by Sean Hughes ("Quick 
announcement, God has left the building").  I'm not sure that Cathals anger
was really the right stuff for a huge venue, but he did a good job, fighting
 against an awfull muddied sound.  Still they played blinding versions of 
'Blues for Ceausescu' (Hi Vicki!), and 'Only losers take the bus', the latter
introduced by 'I'd like to wrap my fist with barbed wire and stuff it up
John Majors f*****g a**e' (hey - I said he was angry!).

	Just as Achtung Baby seemed to have sprung from a different approach
to recording for U2, so the live show seemed to be a determined attempt
to escape from the lumbering chest-beating rock beast that U2 seemed to have
become, and was a lot better for it.  Some of the latest lps tracks aren't
really suited to arenas, and duff sound, but it all seemed to work.

	They took the stage to Zoostation, and followed up with The Fly.  Both
these tracks were accompanied with an impressive barrage of images from the 
banks of tv monitors,  words and visuals cut up in a way which which added to 
the sounds much more than the usual light show.  Brian Eno is credited with
'Video Staging Concept', and you can see his hand in it all.  The words and
cut-up sentences with The Fly wre my faves (ok - I've always been a sucker for
that sort of thing') - EVERYTHINGYOUKNOWISWRONGEVERYARTISTISACANNIBALFOODDRUGS
AREGOODSUNFLOWERMOON - Even the infamous Bomb Japan (no, it didn't really say 
that).

	Bono flicked across the satellite channels, there were cuts of promos,
cross shapes full of video fires,  live shots of the band, and one glorious
moment during Pride when Martin Luther King appears on the screens with his 
words "We as a People will get to the Promised Land".  It certainly is the 
most intelligent and interesting use of video I've come across. 

	For part of the set the band move to a small stage set into the crowd, 
for a semi-acoustic versions of Angel of Harlem and Satellite of Love, with a 
little Dancing Queen thrown in also (Yes - that Dancing Queen).

	Later on in the set comes the older stuff - a good Where the Streets
have no Name (with an affectionate nod to the PSB), and Bullet the Blue Sky.


	They even forsake the staple show ending of 40, substituting
Love is blindness, although the audience didn't forget so easily.  Theres
something touching about 15000 suddenly breaking into chorus of 40.

For the trainspotters - 

Only two tracks from Achtung Baby were missed out (So Cruel, and Acrobat).
Also played - 
Where the Streets have no name
Bad
Satellite of Love
All I want is you (a snatch of it anyway)
Bullet the Blue Sky
Running to stand still
With you or without you
Pride
Still haven't found
Stand by me
Desire
Angel of Harlem

For those lucky enough to get tix, a night to remember, and much better than 
the real thing.

Mikef


PS - advice for those yet to see them.  There are some great looking t-shirts, 
the ZOO tv tour ones in red n yellow n black n lots of other colours.  They
seem like a good idea at the time, but in the cold sober light of Monday 
morning, they are a big mistake.  You have been warned.

Re .274>  A man needs a woman like a fish needs a Bycycle.

...but even fish need a ride now and again.  (old joke)



.283>  Brian Eno is credited with
    >    'Video Staging Concept', and you can see his hand in it all.

Ah, now that's a moot point. NME reports that U2 are being sued by US artist
Jenny Holzer who claims that they are stealing her work. She's made a career
out of artworks that mainly consist of oblique text messages very like the
ones U2 are using ("Watch more television"). I remember seeing her featured on
the "Late Show" a couple of years ago and the similarity is definitely strong...


Rod

    re-1 . Eno was helped out by some guy whose name I can't remember, this
    chap worked with the woman who is sueing U2.  So I guess her ideas were
    part of his also.  But then again, the whole thing  isn't exactly
    stunningly original is it?  Just ask William Burroughs...
    
    Mikef

You mean the answer is in your own previous reply?

.283>  EVERYARTISTISACANNIBAL

    Just like EVERYPOETISATHIEF
    
    ;-)
    
    Mikef

    
    Well, I remember Jenny Holzer's Piccadilly Circus show, and it sounds
    to me like Hey! This a sampling is theft! debate, isn't it? anyway, it
    sounds to me like that U2 show is a Jenny Holzer Show with backing
    vocals...
    
    OLTTB
    
    Piers

    Was it as long ago as 1986?
    
    Just tried the Gmex number for the Sellafield show, but they won't sell
    me a ticket coz I'm not a Grrenpeace member.  They still have tix
    available tho.
    
    Mikef

    Aha! A candidate for my Greenpeace number on the horizon...
    
    Piers

    I already got my tix for this show I'm afraid...
    
    Mikef

    
    the place to be last wednesday was the sheffield arena, where a good
    time was had by all, except those harrassed by the security guards.
    the crowd were in cracking form, first with the obligatory 'how long'
    sing song, and the first mexican wave i've seen indoors. wonderful.
    the fatima mansions sprang on, the lead singer in violent form and
    the drummer had evidently asked the sound desk for an '11' on the
    volume (flipping loud). i thought ian curtis had come back from the
    grave to sing ramone songs with the sound up full blast. there was some
    mention of a banned t-shirt, but i didn't get what he was talking
    about, although i was twenty rows back smack in front of him. "see this
    t-shirt?"  no. anyway, the band got a good applause and they were gone.
    
    then b p fallon, resident trabant dj came on, winning( :-)  ) the crowd
    over by playing human league ("the best song ever made") before ranting
    about the sellafield issue and freedom of speech...now seems that
    although the band were banned from demonstrating, they came by ship and
    stayed beneath the high tide line, balanced on contaminated mud drums..
    ...and off he went too.
    
    u2 entered to 'zoo station' (too loud, too fuzzy) and then into 'the
    fly'. after this the noise got better, highlights being the entire
    crowd singing 'dancing queen' (bono - "seems people know dancing queen
    better than angel of harlem!") and the edge doing 'stand by me', bono
    having a conversation with the speaking clock, the belly dancer doing
    'mysterious ways', bono stopping the concert to tell off the security
    guys, bono dedicating 'one' to david platt, the intro to 'real thing',
    and generally being in row twenty smack next to the end of the catwalk
    where they did the acoustic bit. things got a bit confused near the end
    due to security guard interruptus but it was a good night...and they
    will be back.
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    Gmex - Manchester - 19 June 1992
    
    	This gig was a Greenpeace benefit gig, and also to advertise the
    Sellafield protest due the next day.  The protest was stopped by the
    courts tho', BNFL were worried that too many people would turn up at
    the protest, and they were concerned about public safety (which is rich
    coming from them!).
    
    Anyhows, Kraftwerk were on first.  They sounded exactly like the
    records, which is perhaps the point?  From the back of the hall, I
    couldn't tell if they were the band or the dummies.  Sounded good tho'.
    
    Public Enemy were second up - what a let down.  A bunch of people
    standing in one corner of the stage, shouting over a poor sound system. 
    I don't hold out much hope for them at Reading unless they sharpen up a
    little.
    
    BADII - not as good as I'd seen them before - as BAD.  Again, they
    struggled against poor sound quality, but knocked out a few good tunes.
    
    U2 came on just after 10, and played  the full set from this tour. 
    We'd expected a shortened version, but it was the complete 2 hours, and
    they were a lot better then the Earls Court gig from a couple of weekes
    ago.  I got the impression that they were cheesed off about something,
    and there was a lot more angst and aggression in the set.  Bono also
    talked more between songs.  
    
    At least this time I managed to get up close to the smaller stage, and
    stare them in the knees.  Highlight  here was Lou Reed joining them for
    a version of Satellite of Love.
    
    Later on, Bono phoned 10 Downing Street from the stage, to try and
    speak to John Major, but he just got someone who answered 'Government
    Offices...', and then wouldn't speak anymore.  
    
    A good evening, still much better than the real thing.
    
    Mikef
    
    

    
    
        larry in "there go my fingers" drama..doctors called in
        to give him a hand. :)  reports are coming in of the famed
        drummer succumbing to the deadly 'piano hand' disease and   
        rumours of a future off the road. a special glove has been
        developed...specialists are looking into it.
        lets hope it's not serious.
    
    

    Is "piano hand" disease the same as carpal tunnel syndrome?  If so the
    guy's in extreme pain, though it's not "deadly".  Bruce Springsteen's
    drummer Max Weinberg (sp) suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome but he's
    chosen to play through the pain.
    
    Doesn't sound good.
    

    
    
    but he's obviously battling on thru' as the band have been rehearsing
    in america...even giving an impromtu performance to fans who had
    come to listen..
    meanwhile bono has found time to record a song for a filmtrack, which
    seems to feature elvis songs (billy joels 'all shook up' to cite one
    example)..i forget which song mr hewson sings..."wise men say...." ?
    the mtv awards gave the lads the best band award plus best special
    effects video (even better than the real thing)..very good it is too.
    
    the album 'actung baby' was beaten into joint last place...along with
    everyone else bar the winner..in the first 'album award thingy in
    britain'...winner gets loads of acclaim and a wacking great cheque and
    everyone else wonders why they bothered. (primal scream "won").
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    and......it seems kevin godley (ex-10cc or not, plus video director)
    has done a documentry called zoo tv to be shown maybe..it's all a bit
    vague..on either channel 4 ot bbc2. 
    
    giles

    
    
    and.....not sure if it's the same video as the kevin godley effort,
    but round october 20th u2 are releasing for sale a video of all
    their hit faberooonie singles ...in fact 'one' and 'better thing'
    are featured three times..plus yer usual documentary look at a band
    on the road...i forget the title of this forthcoming epic 'the zoo tour
    videos see us on our hols down by the beach being rock'n'rollers and
    other stuff etc'...just thought someone would like to know.
    
    giles
    
    

    I noticed this lunchtime that Woolworths are selling "Actung Baby"
    (on vinyl) for 50p.  I still didn't buy it!
    
    Joe.

    I wouldn't buy 'Actung Baby' for 50p either. Never heard of it.
    
    .dave.
    
    
    

    
    
    bono will be in dublin this saturday warbling and generally swaying
    with pavarotti in a version of handel's messiah for some sort of
    benefit gig for the starving in somalia.....alleluia!!
    
    giles
    
    

    
    the date for release of the achtung videos has been brought forward
    to the 12th october...next monday...and very good it is too by all 
    accounts.
    
    giles
    
    

    
    right....the whole thing is made up from all the achtung singles on
    video (mysterious,fly,real thing and one) as well as 'end of the world'
    plus about 25 minutes of extra footage made up from interviews and
    concert stuff. the frist quarter of an hour shows a history of the
    band, a kind of 'stars on 45' video thing, with extracts from songs
    going back to 'i will follow'...wish they hadn't done it in that
    stop-start motion though. all sorts of versions of 'one' and 'real
    thing' are included...tadge monotonous one after the other, but bargain
    bucket value at about an hour and a bit long.
    
    giles
    
    
    

    
    Not yet available  in france , gasp
    
    jpp
    

    
    just saw an import tape of 'wild horses' for sale in hmv (reading) with
    b-sides of 'paint it black' and 'favourite son' (it was packaged with
    the 'mysterious ways' tape)....anyone know if the tape format is the only
    one going...i.e is it on cd? i see hmv are trying to sell the latest 
    zucchero single by plastering "lyrics by bono" all over it. i just HAD
    to buy it :-)
    
    giles
    
    

    
    <<< Note 493.306 by SUBURB::NEWTHG >>>
    
    Hello Giles, long time no see!!!
    
    Jon 

    Are there going to be more UK tour dates?  I hope so since I missed out
    the last time.
    
    
    Tracy W

    
     well, Tracy W, there are adverts for european dates for next june
     being advertised...and in interviews when they last toured, bono
     did say the band would be back playing live on british shores. (the
     european dates don't include british ones)
    
     also channel four are showing the video for the latest release
    (thought it was only an import) for 'wild horses' next friday week..
    ...20/11/92 at the early time of 12.10 in the morning.
    
    giles
    

    
    further update time......the single is officially released at the end
    of this month in all formats (the import is available from hmv and the
    video showing on mtv for you lucky punters with sky...ordinary looking
    thing in black and white of the band plus concert footage)...dates for
    touring this country should be released this week for next august
    (pushed back for some reason) with the possibility of a free dublin do.
    
    
    giles
    

    re-1  Theres something on C4 this Friday evening (or maybe at the end
    of next week), which is the video plus twiddly bits.
    
    Mikef

    The vid to 'wild horses' os on C4 this friday, at 12.10pm
    
    Also, on Nov 28, also C4, theres  a 90 minute documentary about the
    American tour, and a live performance from somewhere in Dublin that
    night.
    
    Mikef

    I do hope so!  
    
    I hope they call the White House again anyway.
    
    Mikef (ps...Rattle and Hum didn't slag off the Americans did it?) 

    
    here they are...dates for your diaries...so with credit cards at the
    ready..same rules as before..off we go...
    
    glasgow     august 7th     ?
    wembley     august 11/12   071 344 4040
    leeds       august 14      0532 444600
    cardiff     august 18      0222 644996
    
    tickets go on sale from 10a.m. 28/11/92 from all good ticket agencies
    etc so out with yer sleeping bags and off to london this saturday....
    
    giles
    
    

    Anyone got the number for the Glasgow gig ?
    

    
    
    TOCTA - 031 557 6969.
    
    Rumour has it that the venue for the August 7th gig is to be one of the
    following, Balloch Park, Celtic Park and Bellahouston.  Either way I
    hope it's a dry day.
    
    
    Tracy W
    
    Anyway my application's away for 2 tix.

The Glasgow date will be at Celtic Park TW.

Mark.

 

     
    tickets are about #22 each plus about #2 booking fee for each of the 
    concerts, according to ceefax.
    
    radio one (fab fm) are transmitting a documentary about the zoo tour
    on january 1st.
    
    the leeds concert is at roundhay (?) and the cardiff one at arms park.
    
    giles
    
    

    Saturday, Channel4, 9pm, ZOO TV !
    No more details, other than it's on for an hour and a half.
    
    Tickets for Celtic Park cost 23.50 and are available through postal or
    phone application only. They're also limited to 6 per person.
    
    .dave.
    

    
    well, what a hopspotch the documentary thing was on saturday night. the
    concert footage was well done, and the news broadcasts weird(ly funny)
    with some of the 'interviews' just weird (edge talking about blowing up
    tanks on a game, and death), but the 'live' stuff in dublin was
    awful...either that, or the presenters were awful in a tacky way. i
    suppose that it was meant to be a huge wind-up, but it could've been done
    better, like leave it just as a straight documentary on the zoo tour.
    
    got tickets by the way for wembley and leeds...9 months and counting....
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    while dozing one evening, listening to the annie nightingale show,
    i swore i heard a rave version of what sounded like an old van
    morrison song (baby please don't go) sung by bono. is this a u2
    venture or what...or am i only dreaming?
    
    also...see the band are back on the sellafield track, condemning all
    things  nuclear...and the edge has declared he has two full c90's worth
    of new material demo'd, whether it will see the light of day this
    century is another thing.
    
    
    giles
    
    

Mark Goodier has been playing a rave-ish sounding U2  song for a couple of weeks
now. I can't remember what it's called, though. He reckons it may get 
commercially released due to the response it had from clubs / DJs.

Mark

    I think there are several U2 dance mixes at the mo.   The one of Salome
    can be heard regularly on Pete Tong (R1) and Time Smith (Capital).
    
    Ray

    
    E.P. of new songs reportedly due in april before the band start 
    their european tour..covers and/or new songs nobody knows.
    
    and...has anyone got their wembley tickets yet? i received the leeds
    ticket some time ago, but no news of the others. the mtv logo is
    splashed across the leeds ticket..does this mean live or recorded 
    footage to be screened on the fabled sky station?
    
    giles
    
    

    
    came across a 'limited edition' cd single of "wild horses" in virgin
    in london, with a super extended remix of "salome" and a remix version
    of bono singing "can't help falling in love with you"...low vocals
    meet indian rhythms......hmmmm.
    
    phoned wembley box office about the tickets, and they won't be
    available until six weeks before the concerts themselves. oh well.
    
    giles.
    
    

    Could you post a catalogue no. of that single please.  That version of
    "I Can't Help" sounds wonderful.
    
    If you're belong to Propaganda you get your tickets straight away, so
    God knows what Wembley are up to..  we got ours straight after the New
    Year.  Quite pretty, sticking on my fridge.
    
    Debs.
    

    
    catalogue number is  74321 12451 2
    
    with...
    who's gonna ride your wild horses (temple bar edit)
    paint it black
    salome (zooromancer remix)
    can't help falling in love (triple peaks remix)
    
    it's in a very loud red and yellow cover. hope this helps.
    actually looking at the single again, the above number is the bar
    code and there's another number next to the 'island' symbol,'LC 0407'.
    
    giles.
    
    

    Thanks very much, I shall scoot off to Tower records at the weekend.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Debs.
    

    The 'limited edition' cd of Wild Horses came out at the same time as
    the 'normal' cd single - and was priced much the same - around #3.99 in
    HMV. I see now it's selling at #7.49 with an 'Import' sticker on the
    front of it. This seems to happen with most of U2's cd singles and 12
    inches. Does anyone know if they are really imported or are we being
    conned.
    
    dave (wishing he had bought both cd singles in the first place)
    
    

     
    
    #7.99 and not even an import sticker in sight to justify this little
    indulgence.
    
    meanwhile..reports coming just in of an impending new video featuring
    last years g-mex manchester concert, with footage of all the groups on
    the bill...public enemy, b.a.d.,u2 etc..(this means i've forgotten who
    else was there)..plus news views and interviews concerning what the
    concert was all about and general sellafield type stuff..all for 
    chairiiiiidy (greenpeace i presume). when it becomes available i have
    no idea.
    
    giles.
    
    

    
    seems the 'free' concert in dublin is off (august 28) due to the
    expected high cost of organising a do for 250,000 people...instead
    there are dates for 24/27/28 august, i think, for cork and dublin.
    all a bit vague as i read it late last night on mtv text.........
    speaks for itself.
    
    giles
    
    

    
    i read somewhere that bono (in his spare time) has co-written a
    film script called 'the million dollar hotel'...and that there
    were 'interested parties' in the film biz world taking note.
    anyone know anymore?
    
    giles
    
    

    
    adam in nights-on-the-town-with-naomi-campbell shocker!!
    can our full-frontal expose bassist be truly dating glamorous
    model naomi? 
    
    giles
    
    

    I dont think so as she was at my Bit last night...!!!!

Wait till Mike Tyson hears about this. (She writes to him you know.)


Rod

    Anyone have a release date/contents on the U2/Sellafield video release
    thingy?
    
    Mikef

    
    does anyone know who are the support acts on the tour? I know the
    stereo mc's are one lot, and that velvet underground have been 
    invited for odd gigs, but beyond that.........
    
    giles.
    
    

     As far as I know, the support act at the Glasgow gig are the Stereo 
     MC's.
     
     Should be a good'un.
     
     
     Mark

    
    meanwhile, plans are afoot to have video portaloo's at each gig so
    that joe concert-goer can record anything that comes to mind......
    
    giles
    
    

    
    ref .339
    
    hmv have a board up in the video part of their store with a list
    of release dates for new vids.....they say a video called 'save
    sellafield - the concert' will be released in the first week of
    may...i presume this is the u2 one.  (actual date 04/05/93)
    
    giles
    
    p.s. is it true bono challenged our own brit champion nigel short
         to a game of chess?
    
    

    
    paul oakenfield is to dj the four month zooropa tour.
    
    giles
    
    

    
    Just heard on the telly that Naomi and Adam have recently got married.
    
    -Tony

    Was that before or after they announced their engagement at the
    weekend ?
    
    Andy
    

    Giles - did u pick up the U2 Sellafield vid? Any track listing?  cute
    shots of me having a boogie at the back or sneaking down the  front to
    peek up Lou Reeds trousers?
    
    Mikef

    
    in a word.....no. I was actually away all last week, nowhere near a
    video shop, but saw it in virgin last saturday. I've put the buy on
    hold 'cos a) it's only 40 minutes long, with only 2 songs per group
    ...there are four bands b) there's a lot of interviews and general
    sellafield propaganda and c) i'm broke already!! Plus 'vox' gave it
    a bit of a thumbs down.
    
    on news of their forthcoming e.p., could a new album be in the offing
    as brian eno himself has been brought in to dublin to help produce the
    mass of tracks newly written? also..news of another support band..the
    incredibly talented 'utah saints' will be helping to warm up crowds and
    catch plastic bottles at a u2 gig near you. hmmmm.....
    
    
    giles
    
    

    
    On the subject of U2, has anyone ever seen the spoof group "The Joshua
    Trio"?  I saw them in Ireland last year, if you get a chance to see
    them, do.  And yes, they do do a version of "Even Better Than the Real
    Thing"
    
    Paul 

    I've heard them on the radio a few times, very amusing version of The
    Fly that was out at the same time as the original.  Apparently they
    played at the U2 Achtung Baby launch party.
    
    Debs.
    

    
    i saw them do a version of 'the fly' on the old jonathon ross show
    that was all country and western...very good it was too.
    
    who were the spoof band from the zoo tv documentary thing shown on
    channel four some months back that did 'wild horses'?
    
    giles
    
    

    
    At last the truth can be known. the new album is due out on july 6th
    with minimum publicity, which will of course draw even more publicity
    than ever...and will be an eleven track cd (the lp is dead, long live
    etc) produced by eno, flood and the edge, and the first release under
    the terms of a new six album deal with island records.
    
    the tracks are "babel" "zooropa" "baby face" "stay(far away so close)"
    "numb" "the first time" "daddy's gonna pay for your crashed car" "some
    days are better than others" "lemon" "dirty day" "the wanderer".
    
    there was another track which didn't make it onto the album called
    "in cold blood" a controversial little number concerned with rape
    and pillage, though it may turn up as part of a live show. the new
    album is not a duplication of actung baby by a long straw with a lot
    of a cornucopia of electronic effects, industrial funk and seventies 
    disco feel. the last track is actually sung by johnny cash, and the
    edge sings "numb".
    
    meanwhile bono continues to harass political figures via the telephone
    on tour, recently picking on the german chancellor over the upsurge
    in nazism (if mtv text is to believed), though the band seem to be
    putting over strong nazi symbolism as shown on the zoo tv's during
    "bullet the blue sky"
    
    ..i was going to mention macphisto, bob dylan, bono's attack on the ira
    and the sellafield video but it's time for lunch
    
    
    giles
    
    

    
    i was just idling round the house this morning, as you do, when this
    song came on which sounded a bit like an indian mumble with a girl
    warbling along in the background...nothing that really caught my
    attention....but blow me down if the dj didn't announce that it was
    a track off the new album, a song called "numb" sung (?) by the edge.
    
    hmmmmm. i wish i'd listened closer, 'cos it sounded very strange.
    
    giles
    
    
    

    
    'numb' is actually the new single.
    p j harvey are one of the support acts for august 11/12th
    bono is in trouble with the irish press for tearing up the
    irish tricolour at a german gig....as a sign of peace (he tore
    off the orange and green leaving the white bit)
    bono also has been goosestepping and nazi-saluting on stage in
    germany...what a wag?
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    I can't review the new album as it will take a whole load more
    listens to get into it...but i love 'lemon' and 'zooropa' the title
    track, which had me wanting to start singing '....music was my first 
    love..' etc etc the old john miles hit, during the intro.
    
    what interested me more was reading that the zooropa tour is including
    more of the older material like 'party girl' 'i will follow' sunday
    bloody sunday' and 'new years day'.
    
    
    as to the new single, that too is growing on me, but it seems 'numb'
    is only going to be a video single, and very strange it is too. for
    those who haven't seen it, the edge sings the song directly into the
    camera, with just his head and shoulders showing, while people walk
    around in the background. odd hands and feet 'abuse' his face, which
    is then tied up. people blow smoke at him, larry and bono sing in his
    ears and even paul mcguiness puts in an appearence right at the end.
    
    the video single will be backed by two other songs.
    
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    for anyone with access to mtv (sky) this weekend, they are running
    a u2 theme weekend, mostly on saturday, which will probably cover
    a lot of the zoo tour.
    
    
    giles.
    
    

    re-1. Any live stuff?  I'd love to see a vid of one of the Zoo tv
    concerts, if only I knew someone with such a video...
    
    Only partly heard Zooropa.  Liked what I heard, although Numb reminds
    me of Simple Minds doing Chelsea Girl.
    
    Shall I go see them in Leeds?  
    
    Mikef

    
    
    mike,
    
    i saw such videos being advertised in 'vox' last year, but i 
    forget the address (it only appeared the once).
    record collecter (a shop opposite the indoor reading market) was
    selling bootleg zoo-tv tour cd's...i heard the barcelona concert
    which was quite goodish quality.
    
    doesn't 'first time' or whatever it's called, remind you of 'all i want
    is you'?
    
    giles (man with loads of blank videos for the weekend)
    
    

    Giles - was there any live stuff on MTV over the weekend???
    
    Mikef
    
    PS - love the new album.  Good dark underbelly stuff.

    
    mike
    
    call me an old addict ('you're an old addict')...but i haven't had
    a chance to watch the 5 blank tapes i filled over the weekend full
    (i hope) of the u2 stuff shown on mtv.
    
    giles
    
    

    
    Fair enuff - let us know if theres any good live stuff.  I'd really
    like to see some of the Zoo tv show from last year, esp The Fly.  
    
    Seriously into Zooropa.  I may go see them in Leeds now.
    
    Mikef

    Some days are better than others.  This isn't one of them.
    
    Gotta love Zooropa.
    
    Mikef

    
    U2 finally release the 'numb' video, which will be backed by 2 other
    tracks ...'numb (video remix)' which was shown on 'naked city' last
    friday night, remixed by a group called the emergency broadcast
    network, and the third video is 'love is blindness'. kevin godley
    directed the 'numb' vid, and the whole thing lasts 15 minutes and will
    be out on monday.
    
    meanwhile, plans are afoot to broadcast the dublin concert (28/8/93)
    to the normal billion-odd audience via radio. our own fab fm radio 1
    will be doing the biz in the uk.
    
    giles
    
    
    

    
    just thought i'd add another note (force of habit i suppose)
    
    u2 to open a planet hollywood restaurant in dublin, ploughing in
    $2m of their own dosh etc in conjunction with those 3 other blokes
    
    the what-do-yer-give-the-man-in-wraparound-shades-who-has-everything
    corner....paul macguiness recently bid in an auction for a game of
    chess against caspov (that doesn't look right) for child chess
    prodigy, mr vox. a bargain at only #15,000..
    
    
    
    giles
    
    

Anyone going along to see them tomorrow?  (Parkhead)

Been waiting so long for this - hope I can still find my tickets.


Tracy W

    
    
    anyone not going to see them tomorrow should tune into virgin 1215
    on the am frequency, between 4-8pm for the dave fanning show, coming
    from glasgow, i think....but it's a u2 show anyway.
    
    
    giles
    
    

    
    
    I'll be there..................
    
    
    

    
    
    bjork is supposed to be playing either the wembley dates for this
    week or for those dates at the end of the month (depending on which
    comic you read)..knowing my luck, it will be the latter.
    
    paul macguiness said on the virgin 1215 show on saturday that they
    were planning to transmit the zooropa show on tv later in the year,
    and not to rule out future singles this year also.
    
    for those at glasgow last weekend, is it true they played 'numb' and
    'stay'...in fact, what was the show like.....?
    
    
    giles
    
    

Yep they did.  Didn't think Edge would be able to do it but he did.

Whole thing was fantastic, apart from supprt, Utah Saints were c**p, P J Harvey 
went through three amps was that girl scunnered or what I did feel sorry for her
though.

They burst into Zoo Station which was loud and incredible, the whole lighting and
video screen effects were excellent.  

Hearing them play favourite oldies like New Years Day, Angel of Harlem and
Silver and Gold was great.  The Video Confessionals were good, wonder how many
turned up at that 21st birthday party.

Only wish I had got tickets to go on Sunday as well.


Tracy W

    Who was supporting on Sunday - Stereo MC's and who else -
    
    
    
    					Stuart

    
    
    	I think Utah Saints were on on Sunday also, although I never
    	saw them, I got in just as the Stereo MC's came on. They
    	got quit a good reception, and livened the audiance up for
    	the main event.
    
    	 Thought U2 were different class, and the stage, lights etc
    	was amazing. Bit of a weird ending though, with Elvis playing
    	over the PA they just walked off.

    
    
    re.-1  
    
    Colm,
         I don't know about the "Brilliant" description,but it was a pretty
    good concert.I think I was expecting a bit more after all the hype.I
    felt the stage was a bit low,as a lot of people around me (on the half
    way line in the middle) were complaining about not seeing much of what
    was happening on the stage.
    	'I Will Follow','Angel of Harlem' and 'New Year's Day' were the best for
    me.Who did he (the MacFisto character) phone on the Sunday ?
    
    
    Andy.
    

...I'd agree quite a strange way to finish, they came on with all the visionaries
and sounds you would expect and then slunk off - good show all the same but a 
disappointing end.

RE MacFisto - supposedly called John Major don't know what the outcome was, haven't
a clue who or what the live sat. linkup was with on Sunday, but Satruday's got
quite a few hisses and boos.


Tracy W

    
    
    Andy,
    
    I spoke to a few people who were on the pitch and they also said
    that they couldn't see much. I was in the rear stand, right over
    by the stage and got a great view of everything that was going on.
    
    Yes, he phoned major on Sunday night, but some wumin answered and
    just asked if he wanted to leave a message.....
    
    RE.Brilliant, We don't get much chance to describe anything we see at
    Parkhead these day's as brilliant Andy, so maybe i got a wee bit
    excited.....:-)
    
    Do you think MacFisto would be any good at centre half...??????
    
    	Colm.

    
    Did anyone thing the U2 sound was a bit iffy on Sunday ?...Other than 
    that winge we had pretty fair visibility in the West seating Area,aside
    from not being able to see much when they went walkabout down the stage 
    walkway....
    
    The music and Vocals werent overly distinct from each other and when
    we had voice only (intro.s/Satellite link etc) you could hear an echo 
    back from the stadium end opposite the stage!... (it took me a few 
    minutes to get rid of the fleeting thought of school science and 
    measuring the time between the sound and the echo !!!)
    
    The Utah saints played Sunday too ,and both mental drummers gave their
    all,The MC's really warmed up the audience...the sound systems prior to 
    U2 had a lot more clarity...I thought the satellite link and John Major 
    phone call added to the performance but the end fizzled out awkwardly as 
    people were quite happily singing along to Elvis and the band walked off.
    
    Earlier material got a much warmer reception ,and the screed of screens
    provided sensory overload with flashing images and words ....General
    crowd watching showed a number of Turf-kissers and kilt-swingers amid
    the general happy dancing masses.....
    
    All in all a good night!
    
    Sandie../  
    
             

    Re last few...Did they do much off Zooropa?  I may go see them in
    Leeds, but I saw them twice last year, and I dont want to see another
    set that relies too heavily on pre Achtung Baby stuff.  
    
    Anyne out there have a phone number for Leeds tix?
    
    Ta!
    
    Mikef 

    So did anyone go last night to Wembley?  Apparently Salman Rushdie made
    an appearance.
    
    I'm going tonight (if it doesn't get rained off...) and would like to
    know how the accoustics were in the stadium..  I saw the Stones there
    on the last tour and thought the sound was pretty bad then.
    
    Hope they've done something to improve it.
    
    Debs.
    

    
    went last night...have to agree with the scottish noters in that the
    stage was a bit low...boy, do i have a stiff neck this morning.
    however, i managed to jostle to the front and caught an excellent show
    with more from the zooropa album...'zooropa''babyface''stay''numb' and
    a snatch of 'first time'...the acoustic version of stay, performed by
    bono, was one of my highlights.
    for those going tonight, the band get on stage at about 8.30-8.45,
    after pj harvey and big audio dynamite (well, those were the support
    last night). 
    salmon rushdie did make an appearence (very stagey) during macphisto's 
    phonecall to him.
    the live link-up to sarajevo was a tad heavy..
    the confessional bit was brilliant..
    half the set was from achtung baby..
    the ending, as mentioned before, kinda just drifted away...as soon as 
    bono starts 'can't help falling in love' head for the exits.....
    and it's always great to hear 'new years day'...
    oh...and one of the biggest cheers went to those four guys with the
    u2 masks on, got me out of the bar 1/2 hour too early...
    
    giles.
    
    
    traffic..seems there was trouble with the trains last night from
    wembley, but i went by car..luckily i was out of the car park within
    two hours. thank god i took the car :-)
    
    

    But how was the sound quality?
    
    If I've got a seat number on my ticket does that mean I'm in the
    stands?
    
    Ta again,
    
    Debs.
    

    
    no complaints at all about the sound, and depending on how tall the 
    person is in front of you, you'll probably get a better view than
    from the pitch....as long as you've got good eyes.
    
    giles
    
    

    Went and saw them yesterday. Got there fairly early (2-ish), sat on the
    road for a couple of hours, and managed to get through the gates fairly
    quickly. Being in the first few thousand, it meant that we got into the
    areas to the side of the Walkway into the crowd. These areas were
    closed off after enough people had filled it up, and you had to wear a
    special yellow wrist-band to get in and out. This was good because:
    
    a) they stopped letting people into the enclosure when there wasn't any
    floor area left. But when everyone stood up, there was loads of room.
    b) I had a barrier to lean against for the x no of hours waiting for
    the main act.
    c) We were about 20ft away from the end of the concourse, so a good
    view was to be had.
    d) I could wave to the people 2 metres behind who were being crushed to
    death and pulled out of the crowd unconcious.
    
    The Dance/puppet show was fairly 'unique'. According to Mr 1st-aid, it
    was about the birth of fascism, but it was fairly obscure. Actually,
    I'm surprised we didn't sponsor them :^)
    
    Oh yeah, and the band were good.
    
    Andy 

    
    hmmmm...after seeing both nights, i was a little disappointed at the
    lack of spontaneity..practically the whole set was choreographed
    down to the last movement...i refer mostly to bono here. as all the
    same visual images were used, it kinda made the high-technology
    equipment almost redundant. however...it is a good show, and there
    was a thursday night bonus of 'i will follow'. the only other
    difference was bono doing an acoustic 'mystery girl' instead of
    'unchained melody' which he did on wednesday.
    
    due to foreseen circumstances (stuck in a pub in harrow till 7.30)
    i didn't get there until 8....who were the support?
    
    giles
    
    
    and....who was the fiddler who played on 'bad'?
    
    
    

    Last night French TV (TF1) gave about 20 seconds over to Salman
    Rushdie's appearance on Wednesday night. Bono looked dreadful, I
    thought, but then I've never been a great fan of pancake make-up.
    
    Piers

    Support on Thurs was the same as on Wed I believe ( I wasn't at weds
    performance) - PJ Harvey followed by BAD II. PJ didn't seem to go down
    too well until Sheela-na-gig which got-em-goin'. The songs off the
    latest sounded better live than on the Albini abomination.
    
    BAD II (or BAD-White as a friend said they should now be known) were 
    listenable, and the bass certainly got the gastric juices resonating. 
    It was mostly a re-hash of their mid-eighties catalogue.
    
    In summary, listenable.
    

    re last -
    
    "Albini abomination"? Why so? I know it's only a matter of taste an'
    all that, but I love 'Rid of Me'.
    
    Bob

    re -1 
    Personally, I don't find 'Rid of Me' to be particularly listenable. But
    then, I only listened to it two or three times.
    Each to their own, I suppose. I just thought the production didn't
    help.
    
    Anyway, to further divert this topic away from it's original subject, I
    believe Bjork is lined up for the support at the Wembley days later
    this month. Hopefully she'll replace BAD who didn't contribute much.
    
    Andy

    It's not meant to be listenable though, that's the point!! (oblig.
    smilie)
    
    It's true, Bjork is supporting at the next gig(s). How come U2 have a
    knack of picking support bands who are a lot better than them (P.J.
    Harvey, Stero MCs, Bjork)? (second oblig. smilie)
    
    I'll shut up now, I shouldn't be here, I've been indifferent to U2 for
    some time now......
    
    Bob

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>    It's true, Bjork is supporting at the next gig(s). How come U2 have a
>    knack of picking support bands who are a lot better than them (P.J.
>    Harvey, Stero MCs, Bjork)? (second oblig. smilie)
   
     Bob,

     There is a theory knocking around that the support band line-up lends
     them a bit of "street cred".

     Stuart

    You old cynic, Stuart. That theory never even crossed my mind. Oh no.
    Apparently, though, U2 are 'good' to their supports i.e. they actually
    get soundchecks, and are not forced to play at half the volume of the
    main band as is the case with some other megastars. Can anyone who was
    at the gigs confirm this?
    
    Bob

    Fatima Mansions were support on last years tour, and I can confirm that
    they were b****y loud.  Far too loud actually, and that was from the
    back of Earls Court.
    
    Mikef (who still wishes he was going this year...)

  <<< Note 493.390 by WOTVAX::FIDDLERM "Who's gonna pay for my crashed car" >>>

    Fatima Mansions were support on last years tour, and I can confirm that
    they were b****y loud.  Far too loud actually, and that was from the
    back of Earls Court.
    
    Mikef (who still wishes he was going this year...)

   
     Yes I was at Earl's court last year May 31st at the back as well and
Fatima Mansions were the loudest I ever heard. I had to go out to the back
of the arena for a while. I also thought the sound wasn't too clear.

Anyway I'm off to see U2 in Dublin on 28/8 to see them ending their Zooropa
tour. I am really looking forward to the weekend. I hope the sound and 
stage will be better than what I've read in some of the previous notes.

     Regards,

      C U N N O

    
    
    roundhay park - what a place!! it quite took me breath away..however
    getting there saturday afternoon was something else. as it took 2 1/2
    hours to get from junction 46 to the park, i arrived just in time to
    see the u2 stage show begin. knackered from wednesday/thursday, i was
    quite content to boogie at the back and munch all night (eating to
    get slimmer)
    
    basically the same set, but with 'angel of harlem' and 'when love comes
    to town' added to the acoustic stage bit. they also thankfully dropped
    the live interview with sarajevo, which, despite all the good 
    intentions involved, just doesn't make good concert viewing. also, i
    wish they would come back quicker for the encore...people were leaving
    in their droves, which is a pity 'cos the macphisto act is quite
    funny...he tried to phone john gummer (even revealing his whole number)
    as the man responsible for the nuclear waste problem, but he was out.
    
    the best concert out of the 3 i saw was saturdays by far.
    
    giles
    
    

    
    I think U2 is really boring! New record is total cr*p. Old stuff was
    better. 
    
    
    Hannu

    
    
    paul oakenfield is 'busy doing remixes' for further releases
    of u2 material.....oh goody :-)
    bono has just recorded a duet with frank sinatra for ol' blues
    eyes latest lp (although they never met)
    what was the dublin concert like...being out of the country, i missed
    the radio transmission.....
    
    
    giles
    
    

    
    could 'lemon' be the next single...dunno...could be...but mtv
    just played the video last night featuring the band doing things
    ...you'd have to see the vid.
    
    giles
    
    

    >could 'lemon' be the next single?
    No, so far no single has been released off of Zooropa. That is why 
    no song has climbed billboard. There was a video released for numb 
    however the single was not released. Around the world different songs 
    have been climbing the various charts (Here in Ottawa Canada Zooropa is
    #1 on one station). Songs that have done well are Zooropa, Numb, Lemon,
    Stay, and Babyface. Apparently MTV has advertised that there will be 
    new videos for U2 this fall (probably to promote Zoomerang). There are 
    rumors of a new Dance/Remix album due out in November and a possible
    return to North America next spring (which is very unlikely). However
    a new album (either a dance/remix album or a live album, perhaps of
    the Dublin Concert, or a greatest hits collection) should be out by
    early next year to keep fan interest while the band prepares their next
    studio album slated for Christmas (at earliest) '94.

    
    re last
    
    when you say 'zooropa' is #1 in the canadian charts, is that in the
    same way that 'numb' was #1 in the video charts. i know there have
    been no single releases (as in vinyl/tape/cd) but 'numb' was available
    on a video-single release only...or is your chart on a vote basis?
    i was wondering if 'lemon' was going to take the same format as 'numb'
    or if it might be a cd/tape release as a proper video had been made.
    is zoomerang the australasian leg of the tour?
    
    giles
    
    

    It is still undecided which format lemon is going to take (probably
    video only since the band said that they are not going to release
    singles off of Zooropa). The chart is based on listener's input.
    However the album is the biggest seller in Canada according to Record
    magazine. Zoomerang is the Austrailian leg of Zoo TV (wow is it been a
    long tour!!!)

It (Lemon that is) seems to be getting a lot of airplay on Radio one also.

How long is the Zoomerang tour going to last?


Tracy

    November 11     (unofficial as yet)     - MCG   Price - ???
    November 12     Melbourne Cricket Ground        Price - ???
    Phone book with BASS    - 11500 or 008 338 998
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    November 16     Adelaide - Football Park        Price - $65
    Phone book with BASS   - Anyone got their phone number?
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    November 20     Brisbane - ANZ stadium          Price - ???
    Phone book on   - ????? (Ticketek?)
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    November 26     Sydney Football Stadium         Price - ???
    November 27     SFS                             Price - ???
    Phone Book on   - ????? (Ticketek?)
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    All dates went on sale on Monday August 23rd. The will be no dates in
    Perth.
    

>      <<< Note 493.394 by WELCLU::SMITHM "Think Global - Act Local...." >>>
>                          -< U2 - Cabaret at Wembley >-
>
>    I saw U2 at Wembley on the 20/8/93. This was the Friday show where they
>    were giving the tickets away (I paid).
>        
>    As mentioned earlier the sound was awful.  Rather than take it I
>    complained.
        

Just as a matter of interest, are you the same Michael Smith that had a
letter published in this weeks NME on the same subject of poor sound
quality?

Colin.

    Did anyone record the Dublin concert that was on radio 1 ?
    if so can you give me a copy.
    
    
                       
    Gav
    
    please reply e-mail

    THE FIRST TIME...	
    
    HI,I`M A U2 ADDICT PORTUGUESE FAN.I`M IN DIGITAL SINCE FEBRUARY 92 AND
    YOU DON`T KNOW MY HAPPINESS WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A
    CONFERENCE ABOUT THOSE IRISH BASTARDS!
    FINALLY (THANK YOU GOD FOR THAT DAY!!!) THEY DECIDED TO VISIT THE MOST
    OCIDENTAL EUROPEAN COUNTRY.IT WAS ON THE 15TH MAY ,AND THE CONCERT WAS
    AT THE ALVALADE STADIUM,HERE IN LISBON.
    THAT WAS THE SECOND TIME(PORTUGUESE FANS HAVE NO LUCK AT ALL!!!)THEY`VE
    BEEN IN PORTUGAL.THE FIRST WAS IN 1983....AND BY THAT TIME I WAS 10
    YEARS OLD!
    
    OH MEN! WHAT A SHOW!YOU MAY SAY THAT 15TH MAY WAS LIKE... NEW YEAR`S DAY!!
    I`VE ALL THEIR ALBUNS AND SOME BOOTLEGS TOO.
    HERE GOES A LIST IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE(IF THAT`S POSSIBLE!!)
    1-BOY
    2-ACHTUNG BABY
    3-OCTOBER
    4-WAR
    5-ZOOROPA
    6-THE UNFORGETABLE FIRE
    7-THE JOSHUA TREE
    8-RATTLE AND HUM
    
    "UNDER A BLOOD RED SKY" IS SIMPLY THE BEST LIVE ALBUM EVER MADE!AND
    "WIDE AWAKE IN AMERICA" HAS A VRSION OF "BAD" THAT...OH MEN...THERE ARE
    NO WORDS TO EXPRESS THE WAY I FEEL WHEN I LISTEN TO THAT SONG.
    
    SO,FROM NOW ON YOU CAN COUNT WITH ONE MORE MEMBER OF U2 ADDICTS!
    I WILL FOLLOW!!!!!!

Well, welcome to UK_Music and maybe you'll find some interesting stuff about
other bands too. 

Perhaps you could also note in lower-case letters (like this) rather than
upper-case (LIKE THIS) letters? A note all in upper-case is considered as
shouting in Notes.


Rod

The new U2 album is due out Nov 7th according to most sources and is a
remix album

    
    
    according to the good ol' NME, the band are releasing 'stay'
    backed by a version of the frank sinatra duet 'i've got you under
    my skin' and a david morales remix version of 'lemon' ...coming
    at the end of november ..or was it october...should have bought
    the thing i suppose, rather than read it as per normal in 'smiths'.
    
    where's the source for this impending album? all i've heard is that
    paul oakenfield was remixing tracks about a month or so ago, but
    there wasn't given a reason why at the time.
    
    
    giles.
    
    

    
    
    melody maker news this week..the remix album is from a project
    featuring material from 'zooropa' and possibly ' achtung baby'
    with those at the helm including paul oakenfold, butch vig, flood
    and dj mugs ...
    paul mcguiness said last week 'my guess is that it'll be a mid-priced
    product of previously released material available towards xmas'
    the single, a double a-side of stay/skin..the sinatra duet, will be
    released on november 22nd.
    
    there's also been reports of bono's 'offensive' remarks about irish
    travellers (?) as recorded in the latest rolling stone, and enough
    adam/naomi front page tongues-rammed-down-each-other's-throats,
    rammed down our throats to last an engagement.
    
    
    giles
    
    
    

    
    
    dear noters,
    
    long time, no annoy...well the single is out (stay,skin plus 2 lemon
    remixes..and isn't the duet awful...although the video for 'stay' i
    liked)...with the news that another single comes out next week..one
    of those 2-cd-packages thangs. released on 29th nov is a three track
    'live format' with bullet the blue sky and love is blindness from
    the zooropa tour, and a new track 'slow dancing'. should be fun.
    
    giles
    
    

If you haven't heard already - U2 Live from Austrailia will be on PPV this
weekend. Saturday night. Times are approx. Most are in the 9-10pm range.
Cost is 19.95. Check your local cable companies. It will make a great
addition to the collection.

There are conflicting reports about the remix album. Last word was the project
is on hold until furthur notice. New rumors of the album have started up
just recently stating that the remixes would be songs from AB and Zooropa.

The boys will be returning to the studio after Zooshi (Japan leg) to record
a new album. The exact release date is unknown at this point. 

The Greenpeace album on which they appear has been put on hold til spring.

Anyone else have any news???????

    Is anyone noting from Australia?
    
    If so, are you going to a U2 concert?
    
    My daughter is trying to find someone to buy an Australian U2 concert
    program from (to add to her extensive U2 memorabilia collection).
    
    Lorna
    

    
    
    is it true that adam was unfit last night and that the roadie
    technician had to stand in for him? i heard it vaguely on the 
    radio this morning on virgin....
    
    giles
    
    

    According to the MM, it was an Australian gig last week, and he did
    play the night after.  Although of course, there are now lots of
    rumours that they had been rehearsing withthe roadie for a week
    beforehand...
    
    Mikef
    
    

    
    
    the version you're looking for was on limited release only...so maybe
    it's not available any more
    
    as for the live tv slot...
    next week channel 4 are showing what they describe as a "live musical
    special" ..'zootv featuring u2' on at 3.40am next friday night/saturday
    morning (17th dec)..although a gut feeling tells me it might be a 
    repeat of that thing they showed months ago directed by kevin godley.
    also, on boxing day over on sky one, there's a 2 hour show of one of
    the australian gigs starting at 9pm (so obviously not live)...and
    whilst we're talking sky, there's a 3 from 1 feturing u2 this thursday.
    
    giles
    
    

Actually I was surprised no one here has discussed the Pay Per View special.
Did anyone else besides me catch this???

Also remix album is on for January. 

    
    ref .417
    
    just come back from town (reading)...there's a copy of the cd
    single you want in hmv on the wall where all the new releases
    are..but it's actually an import..at about eye level, at the
    vfm price of #6.99 (it has a garish yellow cover) next to a row
    of other u2 imports....
    
    giles
    
     

    Re - the live CD single.  Does it say where the live stuff was
    recorded?
    
    The Dublin concert is on Radio 1 again the week after Xmas.
    
    Mikef

    many thanks Giles ill grab that tomorrow.
    
    
    mike the rcordings are from:
    
    bullet the blue sky-RDS Dublin 28th august 93
    
    love is blindness-Yankee Stadium New York 30th august 92
    
    jonathan
    

A little warning there are 3 different versions of the single.

The UK release has Stay, I've got you under my skin, 2 mixes of Lemon

The second UK release has Stay, Bullet, and Love is Blindness

The US release has Stay, I've got you under my skin, Bullet, Love is Blindness
		and one version of Lemon.


Funny, still no one commented on the PPV concert. I heard it wasn't openly 
available to all areas (especially out side of North America). 

Personally I thought it was excellent. Some areas apprently had major sound
problems. I didn't seem to have any at all (another reason I am thankful for
being in Canada).

The latest news on Naomi and Adam. They are supposed to move in together 
after Zooshi. They will apparently bounce back and forth between Adam's
New York and London houses.

    
    
    read somewhere that bono is joining ice-t on the silver screen
    to perform in a film called 'johnny mnenomic' (sp?).
    
    

Does anyone know the location that U2's "Stay" was filmed at, and perhaps
what statue is shown in the video. Also, there seems to be quite a resemblence
between the members of U2 and the "musicians" used in the band shots -- are
they related, or is there some symbolism in the lyrics?

	cheers,
		fred deady 

    Haven't seen the video, but the poster for the movie has a statue
    thingy from Berlin on it.  Not released in the UK yet though I don'
    think?
    
    Mikef

    In case anyone hasnt noticed Rattle And Hum the film is on BBC2
    tonight at 12.20.
    Well worth recording if you dont have it already.
    
    Jonathan

    
    
    bono was in america recently inducting on behalf of the late great
    bob marley who is now acknowledged in the rock and roll hall of fame
    ..john lennon was also inducted (sounds nasty..)
    
    
    giles
    
    

Sorry, I haven't heard the duet with Sinatra, but I did like the version
of "Night and Day" they did on "Red Hot and Blue".  There's also a version
of it on the CD single of "One" - it sounds suspiciously similar to a
mix of Wire's "So and Slow It Goes" that I heard, but maybe they sampled
a common source.

Regards,

guy

    
        Have oyu seen the film "In the name of the father" it is not
    out here in Holland yet, but I am told some of Bonos music in it
    is excellent.
    
    Barry

    
    ref : covers
    
    i thought their version of 'everlasting love' was ok, and of
    course 'satelite of love'...
    
    saw 'in the name of the father' (excellent film) and it had a 
    worthy soundtrack...mostly written by bono/gavin friday and..
    ..i'm blown if i can remember the other bloke's name ( ooer missus)
    ..heard somewhere that one of the tracks will be released as a single
    in march  (bono singing 'billy banjo" or something....) the above trio
    wrote the current sinead o'connor track 'you made a thief of my
    heart' also from the film (comes over the end credits)
    
    the rumoured remix album has been put on hold alledgedly due
    to the band all wanting a collective break from u2
    bono is still waiting to actually be asked to appear in a film
    bono was in the studio while naomi campbell was cutting tracks..
    ..trying to dissuade her possibly????
    there was supposed to be a bob marley tribute concert the other
    week...anyone know if this went ahead, as the band were proposed
    as attendees?
    
    for those interested in the latest/last video for 'stay' there
    was a vaguely small story about it in the "rolling stone" by old
    wim winders (director)...where it was set/what it's about etc..
    
    giles
    
    
    

    
    ref .429
    
    a "friend" has pointed out that i didn't answer the question
    regarding the preference to the sinatra/bono duet...i must
    admit when i first heard it (admittedly on a crackly medium wave
    station) i wanted to hide....but it grew on me, and i love it..
    actually, it came as part of the 'stay' 2-parter cd ('stay' and
    sinatra duet on one cd and 'stay' and live material on another)
    which is now available as a combined import from the states....
    i.e about 8 tracks on one cd at an extortinate 'import' price.
    
    
    giles
    
                                         

    
    Well, I thought it was ill thought out kak. Both men, legendary
    musicians, should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
    
    Tony
    
    

    
    
    ref : last
    
    "all hail super hick"
    
    ..surely not the 'mercurial' batsman, or are you refering to
    one of the vocalists from that legendary rock'n'roll band dixie
    renshaw and the amazing rickshaws, famed for their versions of
    'carrots in me soup', 'angst in your pants' and 'you'll never
    get to heaven with a peanut on yer knee'...god bless hickie.
    
    
    giles
    
     

    
    Erm, actually I was referring to that hilarious comedian Bill Hicks.
    
    Probably.
    
    Tony
    
    

    
    
    bono in "where's my flipping award for being so alternative?"
    wry sense of humour outburst.
    
    
    giles
    
    

    Released April 5th - U2 Zoo tv live in Sydney.
    
    Hmm...don't I have a birthday around then...
    
    Mikef

    re-1
    
    Sorry  - thats a video, not CD/vinyl
    
    Mikef

    
    i've heard that concert (spookily enough a 'friend' has it on cd...very
    good quality if you know what i mean etc) and there are some good
    versions of "daddy's gonna..." "lemon" "with or without you" and umm
    simply many more....wasn't this the concert shown by sky one over xmas?
    
    bono's up for another film role, according to the latest tv quick
    (top rock'n'roll magazine obviously) alongside ralph fiennes and
    angela bassett in a thing called "strange days". it MUST be true.
    
    yeah..really
    
    
    giles
    
    

The Sydney concert was on Sky during xmas holidays - was pretty good.

	Tracy

    Looking forward to seeing this - I really want to see the live Fly and
    Zoostation with the words/phrases being projected on the screen above
    them.
    
    Mikef

    
    dirty day was the other song from zooropa that they performed...had 
    to check last night.
    
    giles
    
    

    Not a U2 fan myself.  So I'd wish Giles Newth would stop talking about
    them to me cos i'm not interested.
    
    Mind you that 'Numb' song was a bit special.  Apart from that they all
    sound the same.
    
    
    /GAry...  

    
    the video of the last australian night is out on release this week..
    ..seems it shows the whole concert as it was, but has missed out
    'tryin to throw your arms...'.
    
    no other real news...bono getting involved in the film bizzz,; the band
    picking up awards in australia and ireland...nothing else really...
    
    giles
    
    

Small tragedy for any U2 fanatics in Reading on Saturday . . . Virgin were 
playing the new video. But the sound was turned down so we could listen to 
Deacon Blue's Greatest Hits!

grahame

    
    I just say the video to 'In the name of the father' I thought it
    was great, very typically Irish. Bono is set to star in a film some-
    time this year. I can't remember much of what I heard about it except
    that it sounds weird.
    
    Barry

    
    
    I know these questions are a little bit weird but i would like to
    know if there's someone who can answer to them... any U2 addict
    outhere?
    
    1-Who is Adam's housekeeper?
    2-Who's Edge's current girlfriend?
    3-What's Bono's brother's name and what kind of food does his
    restaurant specialise in?
    4-What's Larry's dog called ?
    
    Thanks,
    Luis.
    
    ps- Is everybody sleeping ?

    
    Luis, which magazine is this competition in then ?
    
    BTW, I know very little about U2 but IMO their music and attitude
    started off being very good. They gradually got worse as they gathered
    momentum and took on the trappings of fame and the demands of the music
    industry, and then began to pick up again as they took control of the
    situation and began to come down off (mainly Bono's) ego trip, almost to
    the point of being as good as they first were...
    
    I suppose if you plotted this, it would be a bit like Monty Python's
    theory of Dinosaurs, but sort of inverted .... %^;
    
    slightly cynical I know, but I do have most of their albums...
    
    Graham

    I must admit i do like U2, but to me they are an image band..
    A lot of people like them because they are a 'soft alternative' band,
    just weird enough to attract some alternative fans just poppy enough to
    sell lots of records.
    
    People always talk about how they were better when they were just
    starting out - Why do people always say this?
    Pretencious springs to mind!!!
    
    U2 are proberly the last true super group, You can talk about INXS and
    Genisis - even the Rolling Stones, But thes are all old hat U2 are
    still making good records, despite MR Hewsons ego trip, i still think
    Nobody can touch them in style, media attention, quality and
    originality..(in the super group arena that is).
    
    The Unforgettable fire is a classis L.P - I believe their best!
    But in the same vein so is Zooropa, not many groups can be so consitent 
    with quality over such a period of time, which is why they are the
    Biggest band in the world...  
    
    U2 - the biggest kick ass rock and roll group in the world, and i
    believe the last..
    
    G.
    
    
     
    
     

    Have you actually heard INXS' latest stuff ?
    
    
    
    Rich.

    >> People always talk about how they were better when they were just
    >> starting out - Why do people always say this?
    >> Pretencious springs to mind!!!                
    
    Usually they say it because they like the group's earlier music when
    they are still in tune with their audiences, are a little more down to
    earth as opposed to being "rock stars" (particularly the lead singers) 
    and are not playing to vast stadiums filled with screaming teeny 
    adolescents.             

    More like its Music snobbery - thier smug attitude when they thought
    they where the only people who liked U2 , and proberly did not see them
    in thier early years just bought 'boy' in 1987, after buying the Joshua
    tree...Realised how popular U2 where, and say things like 'oh stories
    for boys was much better'
    
    On the subject of live stadiums etc ... When I saw U2 last year at
    Wembeley, the youngest person I saw was my brother, and he was 18.
    And he never screamed once... 
    A  vast majority of the crowd were about 25 years old..
     
    I think it is you who is out of touch, and not Mr Hewson!!!!
    Unless you think U2 are actually Take That , that being the case I can
    forgive you...Unless you yourself are about 60 then 25 would be
    adolescent.
    
    G.
    

    Yes I have heard INXS's latests offerings - Crap just about covers it!
    
    Inxs are very good at making 3 good tracks and 10 absolute rubbish so
    called songs/instrumentals for their L.p's
    
    I do hope their last l.p was a joke, because no body in their right
    senses would release such rubbish unless they were taking the p*ss!!!
    
    Instead of moving forward their music is going backwards, just a spice
    of originality and they will be back with tunes like "kiss the dirt "
    and "same direction" at least listenable.
    
    Dont be offended 
    
    G.
    

    Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you asked the question
    generally and I answered it generally.      
    Not everyone appreciates stadium-rock bands. They do prefer the music
    when the band is smaller and can relate to its audience. That's not
    music snobbery, it's a matter of preference. 
    As for my age, I'm 27. Not quite over the hill yet, but I've seen
    enough bands and concerts to know what I like and dislike.

    When you say the band is smaller, what exactly do you mean ?
    same goes for 'relate to its audience'..?
    Lots of large bands play so called staduims and small venues, and are
    in touch with thier audience - U2 for one are well known for talking to
    the crowd before a gig - INXS played a series of small Clubs in and
    around the Uk last year, as did The Cure the year before.
    
    And I did not presume that you did not know what you like or dislike,
    An unfortunate by-product of being popular is a lot of people want to
    see you live, where better than a stadium...?
    
    Sorry if I offended - but so many people do say ;
    "yes , they were better years ago when i saw them down the local pub"
    
    When Madonna played the Hacienda in Manchester some years ago for the
    Tube , the audience was around 60 - yet about 5000 people claimed to
    have been there..
    
    
    G. 
    
    

    It's OK. You haven't offended - yet!
                                  
    I'll try to explain what I mean. When you go to see a "small band", by
    which I mean one which plays smaller venues, attracts smaller crowds,
    the relationship between band and audience is a little more intimate
    and often more spontaneous. In a stadium, the problem is that there are
    so many people there that, however hard they try, the band has great
    difficulty in relating to their audience as individuals.
    Also, the sound is often much more energetic, not so polished and
    professional and the show is more spontaneous.
    It's just a preference. I've not got U2 specifically in mind here, I'm
    just generalising.
                                      
    Also, the fact that so many people are listening to their music,
    hanging on to their every word, and generally indulging in fanatical
    hero-worship seems to go to some people's heads. They get weirder, their 
    egos get bigger and they alienate a lot of the people who remember them 
    when they were normal and resident on this planet.        

    What do I need to say to offend ?
    
    
    Only joking....
    
    G

    I'll let you know when you have, don't worry!

    I'm not worried, Because if I have any more cheek i'll launch you!
    
    G.
    

    Where better to see a big band than a stadium? Well, how about several
    nights at a smaller venue? I'm with Julie on the small band/big band
    thing, I prefer to 'see' a band rather than just 'be in their
    presence', so to speak.
    
    Bob

    re: .460
    
    ...WHEN you're big enough!

    re: .461         
                    
    You've summed up just what I meant very nicely. 

    Sadly - I wish I lived in the stars - where reality does not exist..
    How many does Wembley hold - 50.000? how many does your average club
    hold - 1000 - so therefore in order to satisfy the same amount of fans
    for just one venue they would need to play at least 50 times - and that
    is for just one City, never mind the rest of the world!
    
    Get a grip on reality.
    
    We all know why big bands play big stadims, because they are so
    popular..What is wrong with you people are you so out of touch ?..
    
    Can you imagine how bored the bands would be after 7 nights at the
    same venue? then in the next city another 7 nights... and then the next
    etc - Never mind the fact it would take 5 years to do a world tour but
    it wold be so boring!!!!
    
    Then there is the amount of fans that would be so p@@@ed off because
    they did not get a ticket and some half hearted fan did!!!
    
    I could go on forever - and maybee I will, given the chance.....
    
    
    G.
    
    
    

    It's not sinking in, is it?
    
    We KNOW why the big bands play the stadiums. We just PREFER the shows
    they did at the clubs. 
    
    I suspect that a number of the bands feel the same way, too. Else why
    would the Cure (as you mentioned) have made a point of playing smaller
    venues as well as larger ones?

    It is sinking in - ACTUALLY!!!
    
    My reference was to 461 - Bob said - " I would rather see a band over
    several nights"
    And the point I was making for the hard of thinking is that is really
    not feasible is it?
    
    We all know why - I just thought i would put in it print to jog peoples
    memories a bit!!
    
    We all think its wonderfull to be stood a foot away from our idols but
    as there sound becomes bigger - so does the venue..
    
     Tapes I have of U2's early "club" gigs, and what people say who saw
    them reflect the position that they were crap anyway!
    
    By the way Julie are you married ?
    
    I still rue the day when Ride made a good Lp but they have'nt made one
    since, so i just live with the fact and remeber their classic "ride".
    
    I do not moan on about it saying "gosh they have sold out. all this
    world music - bring back feedback".
    
    Groups need to move on or their fans would get bored, If there new
    stuff justs get better - they become more popular, It is sad but
    unfortunate - some groups respect their fans a little more, or just
    deflate thier ego's by playing smaller venues every now and again, but
    they always go back to the stadiums.
    
    G.
    
    
    
    
    
    

    I didn't say I'd rather see a band over a few nights!! I can't think of
    one band of the size of, say, U2, that I would part with money to see,
    not even in a smaller venue.
    
    Bob

    Well, I've been asked some questions on notes, but never one quite so
    totally irrelevant before!
    
    No, I'm not married yet, but I do have a date set for this time next
    year. Thank you for your concern :-)
    
    My own note was prompted by your original note, in which you asked why
    so many people said they preferred the bands in their early days.
    I hope that we have managed to answer your question.

    Bob - sorry to be pedantic - but your referance was to several nights
    over one - so you did infact say that did'nt you? 
    
    Even if you would not part with the money - that was your answer - and
    I, in my humble capacity, put forward my side of the argument(and
    possibly the bands).
    
    Im glad to hear your getting married Julie - he is obviously a very
    lucky man.. I hope you don't argue with him all the time..!
    
    G.
    
    

>    Tapes I have of U2's early "club" gigs, and what people say who saw
>    them reflect the position that they were crap anyway!

I saw U2 in Edinburgh around the time 'Boy' came out, say the end of 1980,
in a small club called The Niteclub and they were *great* - still one of
the best gigs I've ever been to. Of course I was more impressionable then.


Rod

    Sorry to be pedantic, but my original note did in fact state a
    preference for the possibility of seeing a big name band at one of a
    series of gigs at a smaller venue as opposed to being in their presence
    at a performance in an aircraft hangar or similar.
    
    This preference does not apply specifically to my own personal
    preference, just the personal preferences of those who might want to
    see one of the really big name bands. Myself, I wouldn't want to see any
    of the top-selling bands or acts at any venue, no matter how big or
    small. They just don't interest me at all. I just don't like the whole
    ambience that surrounds the likes of U2, REM, Madonna, Michael Jackson,
    Phil Collins, Eric Clapton etc etc etc at the present stage of their 
    respective careers. I am much more interested in hearing bands/artists at 
    their emerging/experimenting/developing/just-plain-more-damned *exciting*
    stage.
    
    Now, as this is the U2 note, I'll shut up, as I really have no interest
    in them, beyond liking one or two of their early (see?) records.
    
    Bob

    Why do you think you are being pedantic? you have repeated what you have
    already said! 
    
    G. 

    Goodness me, it has been busy in here while I've been away. You leave a
    trail of destruction wherever you go don't you Salisbury? I'm sitting
    at your old desk - that's broken as well!
    
    Bands that out-grow themselves. Not thinking of The Stranglers by any
    chance were you Julie?!
    
    Phil Gill.

    Well, not so much them - they never really got to stadium level, did
    they? I take your point though :-)
    I didn't really have any one group in mind, although Bob has mentioned
    some good examples.

    
    
    hazel 'you've got your coffee' o'connor in u2 new song comeback
    shocker. paul oakkenfield to co-produce new album featuring a  track
    called "conversation from a barstool"
    
    steve lillywhite to produce next u2 project...now this is either a 
    new album, or the proposed album of b-sides...not to mention the
    zooropa remix album...anyway...it them whatever will see light in 1995.
    also..some mention of that new fangled cdi thing coming later as well.
    
    giles
    
    

    I heard about this too - I thought she'd become a Hari Krishna convert,
    got married and left music (not necessarily in that order). 

    
    Has anyone already read the U2 book by B.P.Fallon ?
    Any comments ?
    
    Luis.

    One reviewer said it was a good book for flicking through in a
    bookshop;-)

    
    
    There are rumours ( and are only rumours !) that the boys will be back
    to studio to make a new album of original songs on 1995 ( March
    probably) with Stevie Lilliwhite back on production.
    
    
    Luis.  

    
    
    Is there any U2 fanatic with patient to help me on this quiz ?
    
    
    1-What's Edge's dog called , and what did Edge do when the dog ran
    away?
 
    2-The Edge worked with Jah Wobble on the album "Snake Charmer".
      Name the influential band Jah Wobble used to play bass in.
    
    3- What was the first film soundtrack U2 gave a song to ? Which song
    was that?
    
    4- What was the first Irish film soundtrack U2 contributed to ? Who
    wrote the score for that same film ?
    
    5- Name the engineer who mixed "Two hearts beat as one" for the
    american market in 1983.
    
    6-Where was the video for "Two hearts beat as one" filmed ?
    
    7- The Edge plays guitar on the theme song of the documentary "Bringing
    it all back home". Which pseudonym did he use ? Bono sang a song called
    "My wild and irish rose " in that documentary. Give me at least two
    possible interpretations of the use of the word "rose" in this title.
    
    8- In a 1989 Australian documentary , the band are quizzed about
    sex.What does Adam reply when he's asked " What's the difference
    between having sex and making love" ?
    
    9- What do Frisbetarians believe ?
    
    10- What's the name of the motorcycle gang Larry hangs out with ?
    
    
    Too difficult , isn't it ?
    
    
    	Luis.

    
    ..... errr, I take it you've answered questions 11 to 50 yourself ?
    
    or do you want the collective minds of UK_MUSIC to answer the whole
    quiz for you ?? &^;
    
    Graham
    

        
    
                                   
    1-What's Edge's dog called , and what did Edge do when the dog ran
    away?
 
    A= Its name is Gnasher and he footed it up the Arse when it ran away


    2-The Edge worked with Jah Wobble on the album "Snake Charmer".
      Name the influential band Jah Wobble used to play bass in.
    
    A= Musical Youth

    
    3- What was the first film soundtrack U2 gave a song to ? Which song
    was that?
    

    A= Last American Virgin, I will Follow

    
    4- What was the first Irish film soundtrack U2 contributed to ? Who
    wrote the score for that same film ?
    
    A= Tip 'o' the Mornin tae yi,  Patrick O'Leary

    5- Name the engineer who mixed "Two hearts beat as one" for the
    American market in 1983.
    
    A= Archie McFisty  

    6-Where was the video for "Two hearts beat as one" filmed ?
    
    A= Bo'ness

    7- The Edge plays guitar on the theme song of the documentary "Bringing
    it all back home". Which pseudonym did he use ? Bono sang a song called
    "My wild and Irish rose " in that documentary. Give me at least two
    possible interpretations of the use of the word "rose" in this title.
    
    A= Nobby, Wild and Irish

    8- In a 1989 Australian documentary , the band are quizzed about
    sex.What does Adam reply when he's asked " What's the difference
    between having sex and making love" ?
    
    A= I would rather have a Cup of tea if you don't mind..!!!

    
    9- What do Frisbetarians believe ?
    
    A= The we will all be Re-incarnated into Frisbees ..!!!


    10- What's the name of the motorcycle gang Larry hangs out with ?
    
    A= Gay Bikers on Acid  ..!!
    
              

    
    I think that only the questions 2 , 3 and 4 have correct answers....
    
    
    Luis.
    
    

    I resisted the temptation to reply earlier but now.... Since when where
    Musical Youth an influential band !!!
    
    I prefer to think of Public Image Ltd as a bit more influential and he
    was probably involved with Can at some point (punk band in the sixties,
    now there's influence).
    
    tmp

"pass the dutchie from the left hand side"

They don't come much more influential than that, m'boy!

    
    
    The answers i know :
    
    3-	Last American Virgin , I will follow
    
    5-	Francois Kevorkian
    
    6- Paris
    
    The rest .... someone ?
    
    Luis.

    Luis
    
    .484 is right, Public Image Limited is the band you are after

    
    I Think some people are taking this a bit serious......
    
      

    
    I'm looking for good U2 FTP sites. Any help would be very appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Luis. 

Just heard the new U2 single on Virgin.

It's called "Touch me, thrill me, kiss me, Kill me" or something like that, and
is from the New Batman Film, "Batman Forever".

It will be released on 5 June.

On first hearing I was disappointed, but like most of the songs on Zooropa, I
thought that I'd probably grow to like it over time.

Al

    
    Heard last night... As always , a great song ! A kind of mix between
    Desire and Zoo Station , once again they made something different...Not
    like Pink Floyd...Argggh !
    
    Luis.
    

    
    New album coming in August.... It's a soundtrack album but without a
    film... It's once again a collaboration between U2 and B.Eno
    
    
    Luis. 

    
    >>>.... It's a soundtrack album but without a film...
    
    Errrm, would anyone like to explain this concept to me ?
    
    G.

Concept album?

    Rock Opera ?
    
    Ian.

It's probably a jazz odyssey.

Chris.

Pile of shite?

Very probably.  I hate U2, and Bono's such a smug git.

Chris.

That's cheating.  This is a snarf-free conference, and you just cheated a 
snarf.  I hope you're suitably ashamed, you vile little man.

Ashamed?  Me?  (And `little' isn't an accurate description either!)  Looks
like Lozzer's dirty habits are contagious...

Chris.

    Chris,
    
    It is extremely sad that you have to snarf in other conferences just
    because Laurie is a cheating git....
    
    Stuart

    
    just to keep you informed....
    
    bono and the edge are doing some warbling with some large
    geezer called pavarotti for charrrity...wait for that follow
    up live album on the decca label, folks..
    
    the 'soundtrack' album due later this year has been written
    with no films in mind, but film producers can use the music 
    for their films if they want to...or somefink??? it's got some
    strange tentative title like 'films for channels' ...oh i give up.
    
    the proper album to look out for is the "rock ' n ' roll" opus 
    promised by the band for next year.
    
    giles
    
    

    Richard,
    
    is Giles still there? If so, Giles, how the devil are you, etc.?
    
    Leonie.

    
    
    DAMN FINE THANX LEONIE......I GET AROUND
    
    

NO NEED TO SHOUT!!!

CHRIS!

    Got the Passengers lp, titled 'Original Sountracks 1' (or similar).
    
    	Basically it's U2 plus Brian Eno, with Eno's influence getting a
    good grip I guess.  I don't know Eno's stuff but this is a long way
    from any other U2 stuff , you can see the connections with Zooropa but
    it's a fair jump.  
    
    	A number of the tracks are nothing more than fillers but there are
    3 or 4 tracks that rate up with the best that U2 have done (IMHO of
    course), including 'Miss Sarajevo' (the Pavaroti featured one), 'Your
    Blue Room' etc.  Overall it's a fairly laid-back atmospheric album.
    
    	Euan