Conference marvin::uk_music

    RE:  U.S. versus Europe Madonna discography...
    
    I just returned from Europe 2 days ago and spent some time
    browsing through record shops while on vacation.  There is a Madonna
    CD in Europe (basically an EP of very early recordings) which is not 
    available in the U.S.  I had the CD in my hand but decided not to
    take the gamble and purchase it.  Other than that, the CONTENT of
    releases is the same on both sides of the Atlantic.  However, the
    first release by Madonna is simply called "Madonna" in the U.S.,
    although the title is "Madonna The First Album" in Europe.  The cover
    art on the first album varies greatly as well.  The European version 
    offers a rather attractive color photo of Madonna, while the U.S.
    cover displays a black and white photo of Madonna with leather,
    chains, bleached white hair, and a face that indicates she may
    have had too much to drink the night before and is regretting it!!!!
            
    Shawn

    Madonna - Madonna LP
    
    The Madonna 'Madonna' LP was also released in the UK but flopped,
    then when the "Like A Virgin" LP became massive the 'Madonna' LP
    was re-released with a new cover and re-titled 'The First Album'
    
    This initial release is very rare but I do have the cassette version.
    
    I think the EP you mentioned is the one with Otto Von Werhner and
    I strongly recommend anyone to keep away from this.  It is unbelievably
    crap !!!  There are various formats including coloured vinyl 12",
    12" picture dis and CD single.  The tracks are just various mixes
    of "Wild Dancing", "Cosmic Climb" and "We are The Gods".  all these
    tracks are a joke.  Madonna only did the backing for some songs
    back in the early eighties and now they have turned up remixed so
    that it sounds as if Madonna was lead vocal.  Receiver Records trying
    to cash in.  Is this the one you were on about?
                       
    Q1...I have both the Canadian and the UK 12" of borderline.  Both
       have different covers and different tracks.
       The Canadian 12" contains New Remixes of "Borderline" and "Lucky
       Star" and the UK 12" contains US Remix and Dub Remixes of
       "Borderline" and the full length version of "Physical Attraction"
       The US Remix is 56 seconds shorter than the actual Canadian release.
       
       Is the Dub Remix of "Borderline" available in the USA ?
    
    Q2...Also I have 3 x 12"s of "Holiday". The 2 UK covers include
       one with a picture of an English train, and the other has white
       backing with a circular picture of Madonna (Same photo session as
       the 1st album cover).  The 3rd 12" is from Germany (I think!!) and
       has a blue background with a 7" square picture of Madonna in the
       centre.
       
       What does the US sleeve look like ?
    
    Q3...In The UK there are many limited edition picture dics, shaped,
       7" and 12".  (Crazy For You 7" Picture disc is worth about 30 pounds)
    
       What limited editions are available over there?  And especially
       What releases were ther of "Burning Up" ?
    
       I have the US 12" only (It's my favourite song.)
    
    Q4...I know that "Sidewalk Talk" reached No.18 in the USA but it
       is not available over here except a funhouse mix on a Jellybean
       12" and an extended Version on a Jellybean compilation LP.  Also
       the Jellybean LP "Wotupski" on which it feature is not available
       over here.
       
       What version is featured on the "Wotupski" LP ?, what other
    versions are available and what what the B-side of the single?, (Was
    Madonna on the sleeve?)
    Mattyb

    
    < MOST SUCCESSFUL FEMALE ARTIST ?????????????>
    
    I tend to disagree with that one .But its one of the best
    jokes ive heard this year.....
    
    Janis Joplin was about 50 times better for a start.
    

    re .3
    
    Yes, I raised an eyebrow when I read this as well.
    
    What is meant by "most successful"?

    If it means "sold the most records" then I doubt that. If it means
    "made the most money" then again I doubt it - she's not been around
    long enough. If it means "gets the most job satisfaction from career"
    then that may well be true but you would have no way of knowing!
                                                           
    
    Tony

    Ratholes are what make notes files worth reading, Dave!!
    
    Tony

    Yup, I totally agree.  It was more a bit of fun than anything else. I
    guess I might have been thinking too much about some of the other real
    "rat-holes" than some topics have gone down; I'll leave you to recall
    those!!!!
    
    She's just signed up to do some ads for Coke I think.  Her recent
    output has been too based around soundtracks etc, and this Coke
    tie-up seems to be carrying that one.  What happend to all those
    great hit singles that she had;  has she lost the market niche,
    that she onec owned.
    
    David.
    

    R.E .5
    
    Whats a rat hole "dave?" is it where Madonna lives?

    Madonna has not released any singles for ages, which is why there have
    been no recent hits.  In the U.S., Coke or Pepsi is promoting the 
    "world premiere" of her new single, "Like A Prayer" on television March
    2.  Actually, I have read in a national U.S. newspaper (Parade)
    that the most successful female pop singer (in terms of record sales) 
    is Linda Rondstadt.  She has sold more records than Diana Ross (as a 
    soloist), Streisand, and all of the other big names.

    Isnt Madonna merely a reicarnation of ELVIS PRESLEY i am sure i
    have seen her somewhere before.
    buff
    

    I thought Madonna played football for Argentina???

    What Madonna does with the Argentinian football players is her
    own business...;-)
    

    Hi guys,
    Did you hear?
    The roman kathlic top guy is is quite happy with Madonna and her
    prayer these days.
    They've renamed the cola brand to "popesi-cola"
    So we can say that the image is restored,and we'll soon see the
    clip flying over europe again.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    
    JAN (using mr FVISSER his acc)

    News!
    
    Madonna single `Vogue' is out on 16th march in Europe
    LP `I'm Breathless' on May 11th feature a duet with Warren `lucky git'
    Beatty called `Hanky Panky'.  Can't wait!
    
    Thanks to Jan on the DJ conference,  See note 122.
    
    
    matty

    Vote for capitalist rock with your feet!

    - Bean-eye (wondering which rock is NOT `capitalist rock')

    The last LP wasn't capatalist rock.  Have you heard it?  It sold the
    least, but it's the best.
    
    
    matty

RE- <<< Note 353.2 by SHAPES::BROWNM >>>
    
>   Q4...I know that "Sidewalk Talk" reached No.18 in the USA but it
>       is not available over here except a funhouse mix on a Jellybean
>       12" and an extended Version on a Jellybean compilation LP.  Also
>       the Jellybean LP "Wotupski" on which it feature is not available
>       over here.
>       
>       What version is featured on the "Wotupski" LP ?
    
    Are you still after this information?
    
    ..Craig

    Yes yes yes yes!!!!!
    
    thanks 
    
    
    matty

    
    I've been *slowly* collecting all of JellyBeans work for a while now, I
    havn't got much but I've got Wotsupski'....I'll dig it out tonight and
    tell you the info tommorrow.
    
    ..Craig

    Craig, where did you get Wotupski from?  Have you got any other
    versions of `Sidewalk Talk'.  I have the Extended version on a Saudi
    Arabian Madonna cassette.  Nice item, it has the inlay card on the
    OUTSIDE!
    
    
    matty

    I got given Wotupski' from a friend who was having a clearout about 2
    years ago, no idea where he got it from.
    
    BTW if you checkout Jellybean's remix album 'Jellybean Rocks the
    House' you'll find a version of Sidewalk Talk on it, pretty good!
    I'll find out what mix it is tonight.
    
    ..Craig

    The mix of Sidewalk Talk on the Wotupski! album is exactly the same as
    the one on 'Rocks The House'....Think it's the extended dance mix.
    
    Also, my album seems to be a Bona-Fide UK release, so looks like it was
    avalable over here circa 1984-5!
    
    ..Craig

    Can you get me a copy?  I'm gunna try and hunt it down, and also the US
    7" & 12" of `Sidewalk Talk'.
    
    
    matty

    I'll be going to a couple of record fairs in the next few weeks, i'll
    see if I can find it there for you. If you manage to get a copy before
    then, let me know.
    
    Craig

    Craig,
    
    Whaddya think of `Sidewalk Talk'?  And is the LP any good?
    
    The Jellybean records I have are `Just Visiting...' LP, `JB Rock The
    House' Dbl LP, `Coming Back...' 12" and `Just A Mirage' 12".  Some good
    songs, some naff ones.  How does the forst LP compare?
    
    
    matty

    I'm not over keen on sidewalk talk, although at the time it was
    released I quite likeed it.
    As for the album....well its ok but nothing special, although there is
    an excellent track on it called 'Compromise'. Actually there is only
    about 6-7 tracks on the album but they are all about 6+ mins.
    
    Craig

    The b-side to `Vogue' will be the US single remix of `Keep It Together'
    (No 15 at present).  The review in Smash Hits is bad saying the single
    is way under par for her usual standard.  Supposed to be a slow House
    thingy.  But a small feature in there says that the film Dick Tracy is
    good (makes a change!).  If the single is released in the US it must
    have a different b-side - wonder what it is.
    
    
    matty

	Did anyone see what I can only describe as a terrific photo in the
	Daily Mirror on page 3?
	
	I did.

	Ian.

    Ian,
    
    I missed it!  Do you still have it?  could you send me a photocopy?
    
    
    matty

    I got the single;
    
    Tracks on the 7" and cassingle are `Vogue' (single version) and `Keep
    It Together' (single remix).  The CD (5" by the way) contains `Vogue'
    12" version and `Keep It Together' (12" remix).  The 12" isn't out yet,
    the bloke in Our Price reckons next week.
    
    I expect there will be a remix 12" out in the future, if not two, as
    this has been the trend in the industry lately.
    
    It'll be interesting to see what is on the b-side if it is released in
    the states.
    
    
    matty

    I'm not impressed.  It's run of the mill, with a catchy verse and a
    chanting type of chorus.  Personally I prefer `Pump Up The Jam'.  It'll
    be a big hit, maybe No1, but probably top 3, and massive in the clubs. 
    It's great to dance to.  I'm dissapointed.
    
    
    matty

    Last night I watched `Union City' with Debbie Harry in it.  Sorry
    Deborah.  It's amazing, the similarities between her and Madonna.  I
    know Debbie came first and I like them both.  Does anyone know what I
    mean?
    
    I also think that Madonna sounds like Debbie on `Till Death Us Do Part'
    (in the first 2 verses)
    
    
    matty

    FYI
    
    Vogue
    
    7" Vogue/Keep It Together (single remix)
    7" picture disc tracks as above
    Cassingle tracks as above.
    12" Vogue (12"version)/Keep It Together (12"remix) - thin sleeve.
    12" boxed sleeve (like an LP sleeve), tracks as above.
    12" with poster, tracks as above.
    12" picture Disc, tracks as above.
    5" CD tracks as above.
    12" remix with x-rated poster, incl. Strike A Pose Dub.
    
    And that's for now!
    
    The x-rated poster is a clip from the video where she's wearing a
    completely see-through top.  Mike bought 2 for his bedroom ceiling!
    
    Oh and the US promo 12" contains another remix.
    
    matty 

    Picked up a nice item at the weekend.  It a 7" ep called `Madonna -
    Mystery Girl EP'.  Tracks are all live, `Borderline', `Lucky Star',
    `Crazy For You' and `Like A Virgin'.  It was obviously recorded on the
    Virgin Tour ('85), but the arrangements are different to those on the
    video, making it well listenable.  The quality is OK, but Madonna
    sounds like Minnie Mouse.
    
    The record itself is marbled grey vinyl and comes with labels, ready
    for you to stick on, if you wish.  The cover is similar to Papa Don't
    Preach.  It cost 8 quid, and I'm glad I bought it!
    
    
    matty

     but Madonna
    sounds like Minnie Mouse.                            
    
    Nothing new there then.  !
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    She sings quite deep normally when she sings live.  Even her records
    are getting deeper nowadays.

    Number one for the 4th week (equalling Into The Groove).  I also read
    that she's sold 75 million records!
    
    
    matty

	Can I just say that in my opinion, 'Vogue' is the most boring,
	unoriginal, and tedious song that Madonna has ever recorded.
	It's all been done before by others..and better too ! However,
	'Vogue' still gets to number one....typical...I remember in my
	day blah blah etc...

	P1

    	'Vogue' still gets to number one....typical...I remember in my
	day blah blah etc...
 
    Truely a long memory you have p1.
    
    Juju
    xxxx
    

    RE.-2
    
    No!  You can't say that!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    matty

> re. Note 353.42 by SHAPES::BROWNM "Rave On!"

	I think you may be slightly biased.

	Z1

    The Maddy LP is a bit of a shock.  Vogue is the only comtemporary track
    on there, the rest are 30`s and 40`s type songs.  No doubt I'll love
    it!  Maddy's voice sounds great, better than ever, but I can't see
    anymore No1's coming from this LP, or even Top 3's.
    
    I don't care!!!
    
    
    matty

    -1
    
    I heard one of the 30s type songs off the album on the radio
    earlier.... Ahem, interesting!?!

    I'm into the LP!!!  (Well a bit anyway)
    
    Each time I listen to it my mind conjours up visions of what the film
    will be like.  Those who read Melody Maker will have seen the
    review/slating it got, while NME gave it 6 out of 10 saying it was a
    good soundtrack, but not a good Madonna LP.  I disagree with Melody
    Maker, they said the songs were second rate and that Madonna is of no
    comparison vocally to those who do this sort thing all the time.  I
    thought the vocals were great, the most expressive or comical yet.
    
    Songs such as `I Go Bananas' and `Cry Baby' show her potential acting
    talent.
    
    I still reckon no-one ought to buy the LP, buy watch the film, it's
    going to be massive, and rightly so!
    
    
    matty
    
    ps.  Looking in the current Record Collector, if any of you have any
    early Madonna records, such as `Like A Virgin', `Lucky Star', `Holiday'
    etc or any Picture Discs, you'd be surprised at the value.  `Gambler'
    12" goes for between #15 and #20!  Some of the picture discs go for up
    to #40!!!  Get 'em sold.

    Hi Matty,
    
    Just to let you know that I asked my friend for the
    Madonna "burning up" (Japanese 7"), remember?
    Well, she told me she'll order it asap.
    It can take a while but hopefully it's worth waiting for?
    
    Cheers,
    Ilse.

    RE-2 Jan;
    People reading this would think you were trying to bribe me!
    
    RE-1 Ilse;
    I remember, and yes it's worth waiting for!
    
    
    matty

    No - its more of a cheaper thinner test pressing, that would probably
    wear out after a few plays. 
    
    (I think)
    
    Dave

    An acetate is a heavy metal disc covered in vinyl used as the studio
    master copy to press futher records, or as just a test pressing.
    
    They are usually one-offs and so can fetch quite a bit!
    
    ..Craig

    I stand corrected... well there you go, learn something new every day,
    etc....
    
    

                                    
    re:. 53
    
    See!!                           
                                    
    Heavy Metal has *some* use  8^) 
    
    (cue 10,000 replies saying 'yeah, as a bin-liner' etc... 8^) )    

re.>             <<< Note 353.53 by WOTVAX::HARRISC "Just the facts" >>>
   >                           -< Well, mine are! >-

 >   An acetate is a heavy metal disc covered in vinyl used as the studio
 >   master copy to press futher records, or as just a test pressing.
    
There seems to be a good explaination of acetates in 617.14, though it doesn't 
mention anything about metal.

				rik...

    The acetates I have seen have all looked the same i.e  one side has a
    covering of vinyl with the grooves, the other is just a bare metal
    plate.
    
    Anyway, who cares!

    Jan,
    
    The most collectable Madonna item is the `Crazy For You' shaped picture
    disc.  It now goes for between 25 and 45 pounds.  There are all sorts
    of rarities though, such as the promo packages for the last 2 LP's. 
    Prices for those start at around 100 pounds.  There is a 14 track
    compilation Video and cassette called `It's That Girl'.  It came out in
    '87 to commemorate the world tour.  There are 100 videos and 400 cassettes. 
    The cassette rose in value from 20 pounds to 80 pounds after just 1
    month on promo release.  (ps.  I had a copy of this stolen - boo hoo!).
    The video is worth slightly more, but both are very hard to find.
    
    The best one to get hold of though is the UK 12" and 7" of `Everybody'. 
    This was released in the UK with no cover, so that people would assume
    she was black, and proceded to flop.  The label is Warner Bros, as
    opposed to Sire and the record fetches quite a lot of money at
    auctions.  ie. 45 quid for the 7".  I have never seen the 12" on sale. 
    Of course the music fron the 12" is duplicated on the US 12", which is
    dead easy to get on import.  The 7" contains an exclusive mix of
    `Everybody', ie the (Dub Edit).  The dub version on the 12" is 9
    minutes plus in length.
    
    Also the 12" of Gambler goes for 20 quid (and it made No4 in the UK
    charts!).  There is a poster sleever 7" too.
    
    There are plenty of records that are worth about 5 times what they cost
    when they came out, such as the pictures discs and remixes.  But the
    important thing to note is that their values have doubled in only the
    last year or so.
    
    I have a Record Collector which features Madonna if you want a photstat.
    
    
    matty
    

    `Hanky Panky'.  I've seen ad's in RM, plus it's No25 in the US.
    
    12" features a Bare Bottom Remix!!!!
    
    "Hanky Panky, nothin' like a good spanky"
    
    I reckon it will go top 3, possibly No1!
    
    
    matty

    Hi !
    
    I like this song! Is the whole Dick Tracy album a bit like this?????
    If so, I think I'll buy the CD anyway! Or can you still not
    recommend it to me????
    
    Cheers,
    Ilse.
    
    (Before you ask: I don't know if it's in the Dutch chart yet!!!...)
    ;-) 
    
                                                                        

    The LP is sort of different to any record I have ever bought, borrow or
    listened to. As you know Hanky Panky is up-beat, and funky, with a
    little perviness plus some comedy mixed in too.
    
    There's a track called `I'm going bananas' which is Madonna doing her
    best mexican/spanish voice, saying how `loco' she is.
    
    "I'm going bananas, and it feels like my poor little brain is being
    devoured by Piranahs (sp)" etc.
    
    Then you have my favourite `Cry Baby' where she does her best Betty
    Boop accent to a 30s style backing track.  (like the music at the start
    of Jeeves and Wooster).
    
    The whole LP is full of acting, rather than singing.  It's all cabaret,
    show biz stuff.  On certain songs you can imagine her kicking a leg in
    the air as the orchestra `hits'!  It really does make you imagine her
    actually being on stage doing each number.
    
    I really like the LP now, and I've decided it's a work of complete and
    utter genious.  The film is out a week on Friday around the country
    (UK), but I'll be in Wembley watching the real thing!
    
    
    matty

    Hi
    
    Thanks for the "advice" !!
    I'll buy it next week ! So there's still enough
    time for me to learn all the lyrics by heart........
    
    Ofcourse,....I wanna sing along at the concert! ;-)
    
    When is she playing at Wembley??? You are going to see her 
    overthere, aren't you???
                                                   
    Cheerio, and have a nice day!              
    
    Ilse.*                       
    

    July 20, 21, 22
    
    I'm going on the first night, but I might get tickets for the other
    nights.  I don't know.  If the tickets are on sale outside Wembley at
    reasonable prices I might stay in London and go again.
    
    
    matty

    Phew!
    
    That's going to cost you a lot, eh??
    But I can understand it, it's not that often that you can see 
    her "live"!! 
    I hope you can get some "black market" tickets!
    
    Oh, there are so many good gigs coming up in Holland 
    the next few months, unfortunately I can't go to every concert
    I'd like to go to, (no tickets yet), but I think I'll just
    go over to the venue and buy tickets just before the show!
    I reckon they are the cheapest then!!!????
    
    Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,
    Ilse. !@#$%^&*()                               
                    

    The 7" is backed with `More' and both are the same versions as those on
    the LP.  I haven't got the 12" yet.
    
    
    matty

    re: a lot of previous replies
    
    
         Why do Madonna fans use so much punctuation?????!!!!!?????!!!!
    
                      8^)

    RE-1,
    
    `casue we like to `Express Ourselves' - geddit!!!

    Hi Matty!
    
    I know you are not a the office today, because of THE concert
    tonight in London, but when you'll read this on Monday, can 
    you tell me about the concert please?  So I know what I can 
    expect the day after (24th July).
    
    Thanks in advance,
    and I hope you'll have (had) a great time at Wembley!
    
    Cheers,
    Ilse.
    

    I hear that Radio 1 in the UK are transmitting the concert live
    from wembley.

    Pity, I live in Holland and I can't receive Radio 1!
    
    Actually, I'm not such a big fan as others in this Notes-file
    (let's not mention names eh.... har har!) But I'm just curious
    how the concert will be, so that I can enjoy it even better next week!
    
    Maybe Matty (oooh, that's the name!), can give me some information
    when to watch the stage more carefully!...or so...knowwhatImean?
    
    Have a nice weekend all!
    
    Cheers,
    Ilse.
    

    2 days off sick!  Nearly 3 years without being sick!
    
    Sales of the records shot up with Hanky Panky soaring to No4. 
    (available on 7", 12" thin sleeve, 12" LP style sleeve, 5"CD, Cassingle
    and 12" pic disc with a poster).  She also made plenty of front covers
    on the various tabloids, so I suppose the UK dates were a massive
    success.
    
    I was there!  Yahoo!
    
    
    matty

    
     I finally got to see the Madonna concert which was shown on
     Sky tv, I'm not really a Madonna fan but this was a great concert
     how does she manage to dance and sing at the same time she is one fit
     girl(in more ways than one).The highlight for me was Like a Virgin
     what I would have given to be laying face up on the bed at the
     end of this song.
    
                         Neil..
    

Madonna - The Immaculate Collection

Track listing; (in no particular order)

Holiday			No.6 & No.2
Lucky Star		No.14
Borderline		No.56 & No.2
Material Girl		No.3
Like A Virgin		No.3
Crazy For You		No.2
Into The Groove		No.1
Papa Don't Preach	No.1
Live To Tell		No.1
Open Your Heart		No.4
La Isla Bonita		No.1
Express Yourself	No.4 (According to Smash Hits it went to No.5)
Like A Prayer		No.1
Cherish			No.3
Vogue			No.1
Justify My Love		Previously Unreleased (the next single)
Rescue Me		Previously Unreleased (sounds like Vogue, Madonna
							raps on it!)
Tracks not on the LP;

Gambler			No.4
Dress You Up		No.5
Angel			No.5
True Blue		No.1
Who's That Girl		No.1
Causing A Commotion	No.4
The Look Of Love	No.9
Dear Jessie		No.5
Hanky Panky		No.2
Everybody		nowhere!
Spotlight		released in Japan
Love Don't Live Here...	released in Japan
Burning Up		released everywhere except the UK!
Oh Father		as above
Keep It Together	released in the US.

The LP has been recorded in 3 dimensional sound (whatever that is).
No catalogue No. yet, but it has a very nice cover!

Should be out in time for Christmas (when it WILL be No1).


matty

the new single "Justify My Love" uses music (background beat) 
that Public Enemy have used (on 'mind terrorist' on 'It takes a nation of...')

i'm wondering if P.E. culled that beat off someone else?!


anyone know?


cheers...


...art

    Have you heard it?  If so where???

all over CAPITOL, FOX FM, RADIO 1 (blush) possibly even reading radio
but definately the first two
capitol claim it as an exclusive but i have flicked over to fox (oxford) & heard
them playing it at the same time)
does this mean you've not heard it ?
call yourself a fan?

it is quite unlike a lot of her stuff (I thought that of 'hanky-panky' too)



...art

    >call yourself a fan?
    
    I don't listen to Radio.  Not at all.  I've even stopped listening to
    the Chart rundown on a Sunday.
    
    BTW.  All of the `I'm Breathless' LP is unlike everything else she's
    done.  Only Vogue is a contemporary track.  It's mainly 30's
    influenced, but Madonna does her bit at acting too, only to a backing
    track.  Give it a listen.  I think Hanky Panky is average for that LP.
    
    
    matty

    
>>    I don't listen to Radio.  Not at all.  I've even stopped listening to
>>    the Chart rundown on a Sunday.


the sunday (or any other day) chart run-down is to radio what The Sun is to 
English Literature


...art

    Jan,  It's not Immaculate Conception.  I have a picture (in fact loads
    of pictures) of the sleeve.  It's just `The Immaculate Collection'

    Promo release???  I'm not a DJ yet !*)
    
    Release date in the UK according RM is 12/11/90, ie. Monday, nearly
    only 4 days to go!  They also said that 3D sound is also called Q
    Sound, sounds like Quadraphonic, but through only 2 speakers.
    
    
    matty
    
    BTW.  I got the track listing with pictures of the cover (they had a 4
    page special) all from Teenie mag Smash Hits!  It came out last week,
    so I coul have told you a week ago!

    Q Sound.
    
    This Q Sound is wonderful.  There's quite a bit of difference between
    the original recordings and those on this LP that have been processed. 
    Effects, such as various echos and reverbs have been put onto her
    vocals in places, but the main difference is that everything sounds
    really really sharp and clear.  You can hear every instrument with
    great ease.  eg. I noticed a roaring guitar on Lucky Star - I've been
    listening to that song for 5 years!
    
    I think Q Sound will be used on every release in the near future,
    depending on the cost to the consumer.  It's a bit like the difference
    between vinyl and CD.
    
    
    matty

    RE-1
    
    The difference between vinyl and cd?  You mean it makes records sound
    awfull?...;-)
    
    
    Mikef

    I got the Willian Orbit remix of `Justify My Love' last night.  Thank
    **** for xmas shopping.
    
    I like most of what I've heard of William Orbit.  His work with Erasure
    is pretty damn good, and his band, Bass-o-matic, have cone up with a
    couple of great songs with great arrangments.
    
    However, I don't like this remix.  It starts with the words;
    
    "C'mon, you can f*** me"
    
    No thanks, I don't fancy you and anyway I'm too pi$$ed.  You can tell
    the mix is William Orbit by all the bleeps (not Techno House bleep, but
    William Orbit type bleep).  He's done a lot of work on the mix, but
    it's too much.  He's stripped away what was good about the song - it's
    shuffling, laidback, but groovy rhythm.  All the sexiness has gone. 
    Lenny Kravitz's backing vocals are almost missing.  The rhythm he's put
    in place sounds like it's jumping every so often.  You can't really
    dance to it because it keeps stopping and starting.
    
    I must say I'm dissapointed with this mix, and with the fact that good
    remixes of Madonna stuff are few and far between nowadays.  (`Vogue'
    came in some good mixes, though.)
    
    I wanna do a remix of this?  I've just made a New Year's resolution: 
    I'm gonna buy a sampler, PDQ.  I can remix till my heart's content
    then!
    
    
    matty

    Re -1
    
    You'll need more than just a sampler to re-mix, and @ over 1K for a *good*
    sampler, is it worth it!?!?
    
    Try using two turntables and a mixer, not as good but a lot cheaper.
    
    ..Craig

    With a sampler and keyboard I could do amazing things.  You can over
    dub your own or other songs, loop, make the music go backwards etc. 
    The only thing you can't do is strip it down.  I going to get this
    stuff anyway, so I can make my own music.
    
    If I had some decks then I'd want to start DJing.  But I'd need a van,
    amd a driving licence.  So the whole outlay would be less than getting
    a keyboard, sampler and computer.
    
    The decks are further down my list.
    
    Craig, do you have a sampler?
    
    
    matty

    Hi Matty, 
            I have a yamaha keyboard with sampler and voice sampler on it,
    It was not to expensive and is quite good, Its good for taking samples
    from CD's but the length of the sample is fixed and not really long
    enough but good for farting about with, It has loop , reverse, am, FM,
    fuzz functions etc, It has twin speakers fitted but sounds great linked
    with a good amp and speakers ,Its not for the professional but it's good
    if you are just starting, If you want I could find out the catalogue No
    tonight and send it to you. Hope this might be of some help to you..
    
    
    Steve

    How much was it?  You used to be able to get these little Yammy
    sampler/keyboards for about 130 quid.  I quite fancy one of them for
    messing about with.  Can you store more than one sample?  Can you
    assign individual samples to individual keys?
    
    
    matty

    For amazing results (even at low temperatures!), you would need:
    
    A good sampler, AKAI etc.  A full size MIDI keyboard, pref. Roland,
    Yamaha cos then you could use its own voices on top of the samples
    (bass lines etc).  And computer + Sequencing software + MIDI interface.
    Not forgetting of course, Amp, speakers and a decent tape deck(DAT ;-))
    
    An associate of mine has the above and more, and the results are
    (loin stirringly) excellent.  All I have is the computer 8-(, but I do
    have some good sampling software for it which would be a good start for
    the budding re-mixer.  Quality and length of samples depends largely of
    the amount of memory the computer has, but some good results can be
    achieved.  
    
    I think your next move Matty should be to buy a computer (Atari ST or
    Commodore Amiga), because you will have 1 component of the system and
    will also be able to practice sampling and of course play games!!
    
    IMO those little Yammy toy keyboard/samplers are a waste of money!
    re .88  Do you still play with yours? (Fnarr Fnarr)
    
    ..Craig
    
    
    
    

    Madonna's No2, Madonna's No2, eee yiii yaddiooo, Madonna's No2 hey!
    
    Craig.  First on the list is a good keyboard.  I'd rather make my own
    music, but I'd like to do remixing sometime in the future.  At present
    I fancy a Roland D10 (Synth with effects & keyboard) plus and Atari ST
    with sequencing software.  I also fancy a Roland W30 - it has a
    sampler, but it costs double ie. 1700 quid!  But the W30 has a 16 track
    sequencer, so I could do without the computer, but I'd rather have a
    computer based sequencer.  I could really do with a W30 without the
    sequencer - they always add too much.
    
    Do you know any DJ's that use a Sampler, or even a keyboard at gigs? 
    I've always thought it would be a good idea, but I've never seen any
    one do it.  You could just take a drum machine and bass machine with a
    tempo control.  You could use it to match songs/beats.  A Sampler would
    add spice.
    
    
    matty
    
    ps.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Madonna's No2, she might end up as No1.

    Matty,
    
    Really once you have bought a good full size keyboard all you need do
    then is buy modules and Midi them through, you only need one slave
    keyboard you can then connect this to your sampler, drum machine,
    modules and sequencer.
    
    My friend who is a *budding* DJ, has a Vestax mixer with built in
    sampler! don't suppose it was the sort of sampler you ment, but he can
    create some good effects with it.... As for a drum machine, I was once
    shown (at Streetwise in town) one designed for DJs.  It was battery
    powered and pluged into to the mic jack, it had nice samples but was a
    bit fiddley and limited - a good idea but I don't know anyone that uses
    one.
    
    Craig.

    
    Matty,
    
    A friend of mine used to have a keyboard sampler along with his DJ set. 
    He would usually use it at parties and get someone with a dictaphone to
    go round and pick up noises/voices from the party, feed them into the
    sampler and then add them to the record playing.  Came up with some
    interesting ones.
    
    Paul

    -1, you can imagine this guy going round with a mike, sneaking up
    behind people, trying to catch people trying to `Come on' to each
    other!
    
    `Dooya wanna see my puppies? p-p-p-pupies (oh) (yeah)'
    
    :-)
    
    matty

    Can you imagine the blackmail potential, pay up or I release it as a
    record...
    
    Tim
    --- ;-)

    ><<< Note 353.94 by IGETIT::BROWNM "Mistake! I dod that on porpoise!" >>>
    >                   -< Rathole alert, but who cares? >-
    
    That's a rathole?!  Look at the topic title again.  Looks like a double
    rat-hole with the triple loop diversion!

    Madonna `The Royal Box' is out today.  Includes video, CD, books etc @
    at a cost of 47 quid, but there's only 4 per Our Price, so it might be
    worth a bit in the future.  Come to think of it, it's worth a bit now! 
    47 quid!!!
    
    matty

    `Rescue Me' is not to be released as yet, except for in the USA. 
    Instead `Crazy For You'/`Keep It Together' will be released with `Into
    The Groove' (You Can Dance Version) on the 12"
    
    I reckon this will go to No1 for 3 reasons;
    
    1.	It's not on any of her LP's and has been difficult to get for
    	years.
    
    2.	In most fan polls, `Crazy..' is the overall *favourite* Madonna
    	song.  I know loads of heavy rockers who love this.
    
    3.	It is the second most seductive record ever (fact), only preceeded
    	by Phylis Nelson's `Move Closer'.
    
    If they release a video (a decent video that is) is will stay on the
    top spot for a while.  The only thing that can stop it is James' `Sit
    Down'!!!
    
    
    matty

    The NME this week publishes a very racey, explicit interview with
    Madonna. The interviewer is another previous lover of Warren Beatty.
    Most is unrepeatable in here, suffice it to say she's looking for a man
    and is coinsidering all offers. She also likes to get letters. Even
    better if same letters are from `writers'.

    If the paper itself wasn't so dry I'd have thought it was a men's
    glossy -;)

    - Tim
    

    She's showing us all how kinky she can be.  I think she's running out
    of things to shock us with.  She better start writing some more good
    songs or she'll be down the dumper (as Neil Tennant used to say).  But
    I suppose she'll be off doing films or something before that happens -
    she's not stupid.
    
    
    matty

    Well she more or less says that she reads all the letters sooooo...
    (certainly the well packaged ones). Blonde superstar requires husband.
    Neat line in Milano suits required...

    Matty - a question: Is Madonna from Cincinatti ? (sp ?)
    A little biographical detail required.

    - Tim
     

    No, she's from Bay City near Detriot.  She invented Techno ;-)  Her and
    Juan Atkins are the same person ;-).  She also makes cars ;-)
    
    
    matty

    You only want to know where she's from so you can be the letter
    writing, successful, smart writer that's she's looking for according to
    the NME interview.
    
    Tim
    ---  =8*)

    Thanks. Who's Juan Atkins ?

    - Tim

    PS Does this mean I have to stop referring to her as
       The Cincinatti Kid ? -;)

    re-2,  Juan Atkins was one of the 3 inventors of Techno, one of the
    Detriot genres (like Mowtown was).
    
    Where have you been? ;-)
    
    
    matty

    Madonna and Wogan - who saw it?
    
    Some people have said to me how arrogant and deceptive she came across,
    while others (including myself) thought she appeared strong willed,
    self assured, confident, in control, intelligent etc.
    
    Your thoughts?
    
    
    matty

    I meant to watch that (I'm really not sure why.) Did she say anything
    interesting ? Was she coy and sexy with Britain's favourite Limerickman ?

    I hope he blushed and flushed all over.

    - Tim
    

    Are we to feel sorry for the poor dear that she had to sit through a
    whole day of journalists asking her the same questions, one after
    another?
    
    I assume they didn't use armlocks to force her to limit herself to a
    single day with the press? In which case, her boredom is her own
    problem, not that of her interviewers or audience.
    
    Professional show-people can come across however they want, no matter
    how bored they are. Shame Madonna couldn't.
    
    
    Dave Hazel

    In my personal opinion of course, I felt Madonna didn't really open
    up to Wogan in any way whatsoever.  His 'safe' questions were answered
    with a 'yes' or 'no' or when she put some effort in thinking about
    the questions asked, actually managed a lame "urrrr, no, I don't
    think so". 
    
    Yes, she did come across as very strong willed and knew exactly what
    she wanted but I think the viewers would have been a bit more enchanted
    with her if she actually expressed some of her doubts or indecisions
    rather than always being so cock-sure of herself.
    
    And if I was her manager, I'd advise her to sit up properly on that 
    plush settee.  The way she was sprawled out on it didn't really do 
    anything for her.
    
    In my opinion of course.
    
    julia

    I don't think that Wogan is a good interviewer anyway. He seems to like
    the sound of his own voice, and asks long, rambling questions which
    seem to invite yes or no answers. That way, the camera gets back to him
    quickly so he can ramble on again!!!!!
    
    Alison (who_is_obviously_not_a_Wogan_fan!)
    

    I agree about Wogan. I've heard him interrupt guests after they have
    started giving intelligent (ie. other than "yes" or "no") answers to
    his questions. He's not as bad as "Johnafon Woss", though.
    
    
    Dave Hazel

    
    I saw some of the interview, boy, did she look *rough*.

    Doesn't she always?

    
    Yup!

RE: -3


Her plastic surgery had melted ??


I'm only jealous.....

....she's got muscles where I hav'nt got places

Dave

     Thanks a bunch!! :^(
    
    Mark (VT320 user!!!!!)

    So wheres the rest of her then?
    
    ANON

Lucky old me, I happened to catch a brief clip on French TV last night of 
Madonna's appearance at the Jean-Paul Gaultier (pointy bra supplier) show 
in Los Angeles at the weekend. 

Herself is seen at the end of the catwalk beside JP. She's wearing a black
jacket, which removes to dramatically reveal... an extreme no-bra situation!
Jubilation among the assembled hacks, let me tell you, and this viewer didn't
object either. By the way, she also sports a front gold tooth these days,
continuing the pop star tradition for show-off dentistry (see also: Mick
Hucknall, Mick Jagger).

I imagine the publicity for this incident will do no harm for her forth-
coming lp 'Erotica' and photo book 'Sex' - as if they needed more publicity.


Rod

    
    I too saw the picture, made her look like an old slapper.

    I heard recently that some old Tory MP, you know the type,
    vanguard of public taste and decency but on the quiet regularly 
    gets hung from the ceiling of a boudoir by his nipples, called for 
    Madonna's book ("Sex") to be banned in this country. I'm right
    behind her, er, if you see what I mean, cough, splutter.
    
    barry.
      

Being as I'm interested in photography and pop music I must be considered
as someone who would naturally be interested in this important new book,
so I'm going doing the bookshop to order my copy NOW and no mistake, not
half, knoworrImean, nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse???

> re: <<< Note 353.125 by NEWOA::DALLISON "So easy to excite." >>>

>    I too saw the picture, made her look like an old slapper.

	What do you mean, "made her" ?

    
    I did actually think of removing those words coz she is, but, I think
    Notesvile got the pictue.

I was hoping we might avoid crass replies like the foregoing. Sigh.

	Rod, I thought you'd know better !

    
    Whats so important about what is effectivley a soft porn book ? One
    could pick up a copy of any top shelf magazine and see *attractive*
    women, as opposed to just an ugly dumb bimbo who can't sing or write
    her own songs ? 
    
    Sorry I forgot, the photo's are in black and white aren't they, so they're 
    'art'. Really though, it's just an excuse for x thousand male Madonna fans 
    to jack off with the book whilst listening to Vogue.
    
    
    -Tony

    Strike the pose, Tony.
    
    Piers

    
    Oh eck, he's following me across conferences, he must be a Madonna fan.
    Do you have a copy of the book with you and Vogue playing on your
    Walkman ?

    I'm not all that keen on Madonna, aksherlly.
    
    Piers

    As Paul Merton said, what is it on the other side of that wall that is
    so interesting that she had to look at it before she put her knickers
    on?
    
    Bob

    
    Maybe a book on 'How to write your own music' ?