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277.1 | 14 bits just isn't enough | 45416::BRIGHT | Big Mac is asking the questions | Tue Nov 29 1988 18:38 | 15 |
277.2 | More power to yer vinyl | MARVIN::MACHIN | | Tue Nov 29 1988 20:18 | 8 |
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Yes -- I've bought gear from three different hi-fi dealers,
and each one said that they personally preferred vinyl. I think
vinyl wins by far, even on any a-b comparison. If 'balls' weren't
a sexist term, I'd use it here; as it is, I'll stick to .1's
'musicality'.
Richard.
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277.3 | | RDGENG::KEDMUNDS | But I haven't got an fm2r... | Tue Nov 29 1988 20:37 | 1 |
| Well, I'm a die-hard CD user.
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277.4 | | BISTRO::WARD | | Tue Nov 29 1988 21:30 | 5 |
| I believe the reason most people like CDs is because they've never
owned a decent record player in their lives. CDs v. good record
players are *very* close in quality. Anyway here in France the
word "disque" has been removed from the national language to be
replaced by "CD". The marketing men have won again ...
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277.5 | CDs are the future | LARVAE::BRIGGS | They use computers don't they? | Thu Dec 01 1988 13:19 | 19 |
| Sound quality is only one aspect of the argument. I have 350 LPs
but in the last 18months have totally switched to CD. Here are some
reasons...
Regardless of the deck you can get some abysmal vinyl pressings.
OK some CD recordings may be of differing quality (like vinyl) but
at least their can be no issue about the pressing. Ie, its digital,
it works perfectly or not at all!
I really look after my LPs. BUT why is it I can get a record out
I havn't played in two years and find it has mysteriously developed
hisses and crackles? CDs (hopefully) will not degenerate at all.
And the BIGGEST benefit? To sit down with 75 minutes of someones
greatest hits armed with a remote control and pick and choose the half
dozen or so tracks you want to hear at that particular time and if
necessary repeat ad nauseum. Ie, the random access ability.
Richard
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277.6 | I'm not anti-CD, I just think vinyl is better | 45416::BRIGHT | Heaven knows I'm miserable now | Thu Dec 01 1988 15:26 | 108 |
277.7 | I like C90's!! | WELMTS::GREENB | Don't give me facts, give me ideas! | Thu Dec 01 1988 16:11 | 11 |
| Well, I dont own a CD player (lack of funds to buy player and enough
discs to make it worthwhile 8^)), but I'm perfectly happy with my
record deck, and something else which no-one has mentioned yet,
the humble cassette. I tend to tape lp's as I buy them , so the
records are reasonably well looked after....
Personally, I can see the advantage of the random access argument,
but for myself, I like to listen to something as an entity, i.e.
as the artist intended it should be heard
Bob
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277.8 | | SUBURB::DALLISON | I'd buy that for a dollar! | Thu Dec 01 1988 16:26 | 13 |
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I too have no problem with ordinary records and/or tape.
As -1 said, as long as you take care of your records there is no
reason why you shouldn't have a very good quality sound.
Although I have a small collection of CD's (I get given them from
R210), I have no immediate plans of rushing out and pawning my
step-monster to finance one of these expensive toys.
As always, in my humble opinion.
-Tony
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277.9 | | RDGENG::KEDMUNDS | But I haven't got an fm2r... | Thu Dec 01 1988 17:02 | 25 |
277.10 | | KERNEL::IMBIERSKI | Three views of a secret | Thu Dec 01 1988 17:29 | 35 |
277.11 | | RDGENG::KEDMUNDS | But I haven't got an fm2r... | Thu Dec 01 1988 17:49 | 11 |
| > As the total amplitude rises the effect is reduced - ie when it passes
> from 9999 quanta to 10000 the theoretical distortion will be
> (10000-9999)/10000 or roughly .01%
That is why the "quanta" (is that the right word?) are closer
together towards the midpoint. If you would like to hear some
CD-sourced music, mail me - I don't mind showing off mine, and nor will
I be offended if you tell me records sound better! (Open offer to
anyone who can get to my house!).
Keith
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277.12 | Overproduced recordings? | WELMTS::GREENB | Don't give me facts, give me ideas! | Thu Dec 01 1988 18:02 | 15 |
| >> as far as I'm concerned the quality of *music* comes before quality
>> of recording.
Right on Tony!!
Which is why I love my early Velvets, Beefheart, be-bop, live tapes,
noisy punk rock records as much as any of my Peter Gabriel, Kate
Bush and LLoyd Cole, to name but three artists whose method of
recording I enjoy as part of the whole. Sometimes I find music can
be almost *too* well produced and it knocks the guts out of it.
An example of this would be Elvis Costello's Punch The Clock lp.
Normally I love the man's records, but this one is just *too* smooth...
Bob
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277.13 | | EGAV01::DKEATING | Roamin' Cadillac Church SAVES | Thu Dec 01 1988 19:42 | 5 |
277.14 | | LARVAE::BRIGGS | They use computers don't they? | Fri Dec 02 1988 12:46 | 20 |
| I think the type of music you listen to may also come into this
argument. For instance....
I have a wide interest in music and my lp collection of 18 years
reflects this. However, one form of music I enjoy is Military Marches
(I used to play trombone in such a band at school). Now I have NEVER
NEVER heard a decent rendition of such music from vinyl. Possibly
its to do with the dynamic range available etc I don't know. However,
I now own two fully digital CDs of such music and it really blows
your mind! I waited nearly 18 years for such sound! Also, I quite
like Welsh Male Voice Choirs. Once again, I have never found vinyl
provides the quality for this music. I have yet to see fully digital
CDs of same but I'm waiting!
I would also say the same applies to classical music in general
although this is one music form that does in fact generally turn
me off so I won't comment on this.
Richard
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277.15 | My 10p worth.... | BAHTAT::SALLITT | Dave @ ICI,0642432193 | Fri Dec 02 1988 19:39 | 40 |
| This could run and run.
I've steered clear of CD ever since I heard an early model at the
Harrogate hifi show (now defunct) in 1982. It sounded hard and
fatiguing, not pleasant at all.
I decided to go for a new arm on my turntable a few weeks back, amid
much ribbing from she-who-must-be-obeyed about being old-fashioned,
etc. I can see her point; we both stopped buying singles yonks ago
so we've bought several "Greatest Hits of.....", and with 10+ tracks
per side, the laws of physics are against producing the sort of
sound I know vinyl's capable of. So whilst waiting for the latest
piece of flat-earth hifi to be fitted, I asked if I could hear one
of the lowest priced but best regarded players the shop had. So
they sat me down with a handful of CDs and a Denon DCD610, regularly
well reviewed.
Frankly it was horrible. The onset of listening fatigue and boredom
took only about 15 seconds to appear, the only exception being an
old AAD Stan Getz recording of The Girl from Ipanema, but even this
sounded wierd and out of time. In almost all tracks the distortion
was unacceptable. All in all the performance came nowhere near a
good record player, even a similarly (199 pounds) player sounded
better. To be honest, I prefer my Sony Walkman and a home produced
tape. To sum up, my reaction was "So this is *progress*?".
Now we're not all the same, we all hear differently and we all have
different priorities. But I would rather invest in a good cassette
player any day than a CD player. CD seems a hopelessly cost-ineffective
way of getting music into one's life (well, mine anway), compared
to LP or cassette, and in the end it's the music that's important, not
dynamic range, signal/noise ratios or whatever.
What I'll do when there's no vinyl, I don't know; but I'll worry
about that then.
Dave
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277.16 | More free publicity! | MALLET::JEFFERY | Give me the keys to your Ferrari | Fri Dec 02 1988 21:45 | 12 |
277.17 | | ASICS::LESLIE | Andy Leslie | Mon Jan 06 1992 13:35 | 3 |
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W H Smith today announced that they will not sell LP's after a
three-month phase out period so, stock up before April, folks!
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277.18 | | COMICS::LANG | Harvey Lang UK/CSC | Mon Jan 06 1992 14:37 | 16 |
| re -1
Well..I reckon it had to come!
The Virgin Megastore in Glasgow had a pitiful amount of Vinyl in stock
in its Rock Section (Tower had far more, but even that was small in
comparison to its CD stock).
A sad day.
H.
PS..Since Our Price are owned by WHS I reckon they'll soon adopt the
same policy
PPS..I suppose Record Tokens are now obsolete too!
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277.19 | | UBOHUB::FIDDLER_M | Talkin about the End of the World | Mon Jan 06 1992 15:05 | 5 |
| Our Price are well on the way to not stocking vinyl already.
Sad news indeed. And they will still overcharge for CDs.
Mikef
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277.20 | No Record tokens at OP. | UPROAR::WEBSTERM | I like a good tune | Mon Jan 06 1992 16:45 | 7 |
| re .17
Yes OP now sell gift vouchers/tokens, they've dropped any mention of
records.
Mike Webster
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277.21 | WHS Gift Tokens at OP | UPROAR::WEIGHTM | Act, Don't React | Tue Jan 07 1992 16:03 | 9 |
| I've heard that OP accept WHS gift tokens - they're all part of the same
group anyway. Has anyone tried this ?
Phasing out of vinyl had to come. The retailers are fed up with everyone
complaining about the price differential between LPs and CDs - stopping
these complaints by scrapping vinyl is the obvious solution, much better
than reducing CD prices ;-)
Mike
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277.22 | Anyone selling their record deck? (serious question) | RUTILE::MACFADYEN | Remember that, it's important | Tue Jan 07 1992 19:05 | 6 |
| Excuse me, we're supposed to live in democracies, the consumer is supposed
to be king, so how come crappy changes like this can just happen? This
really stinks. Vinyl is still a good format, and a 12" single has got
more guts in it than any other format I've heard, including antiseptic
sounding digital audio like CD and DAT. It's just a total ripoff
[contd p94]
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277.23 | vinyl - the poor mans cd ? | NEWOA::DALLISON | Der Tartmeister | Tue Jan 07 1992 19:39 | 3 |
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But does anybody really bother with vinyl nowadays ? It is a bit naff
isn't it ?
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277.24 | | UBOHUB::FIDDLER_M | Talkin about the End of the World | Tue Jan 07 1992 19:41 | 5 |
| Theres always one trying to start an arguement, isn't there?
Mind you, even Achtung Baby sounds good on CD.
Mikef
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277.25 | | NEWOA::DALLISON | Der Tartmeister | Tue Jan 07 1992 20:16 | 1 |
| 8^)
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277.26 | whats next | XSTACY::PATTISON | Seek! Locate! Exterminate! | Wed Jan 08 1992 11:09 | 12 |
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There was a thing on breakfast TV this morning about the demise of
the LP... they talked a bit about the next consumer thing, Phillips
digital cassette versus Sony writable CDs.
The problem is that vast numbers of people have made the transition
from vinyl to CD over the past 7 years or so.. its a lot to ask
for them to change to yet another format.
However the thing that Phillips have in their favour is that the
equipment needed to use the new cassettes will also be compatible
with old analogue "compact cassettes".
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277.27 | | RUTILE::LETCHER | Feeling single; seeing double | Wed Jan 08 1992 12:08 | 7 |
| Course it's not a lot to ask. I mean how else is the
<home-taping-is-killing-the> music industry going to sell us yet more
copies of things we already own, when deep, deep down, we'd really
rather buy the great great records of our youth over and over again, and
just tape the new stuff?
Piers.
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277.28 | Just a thought | XNOGOV::CHAPPIN | | Wed Jan 08 1992 14:42 | 10 |
| I think that albums on vinyl have finally met their death, but I
can't see CD or cassette replacing the single very quickly, in particular
the 12" single. Another point about the inevitable end of vinyl is :
Will cover art suffer? It would be a shame to see this art fade away,
since you wouldn't exactly consider putting a CD inlay on your wall, or
in a prominent shelf position... Perhaps posters may become more
common...
Paul.
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277.29 | | RUTILE::MACFADYEN | Remember that, it's important | Wed Jan 08 1992 16:46 | 6 |
| Cover art already has suffered. The 12cm square of a CD means the cover has
to be quite simple, thus most covers these days just feature some kind
of full-face portrait of the artist.
Rod
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277.30 | | ASICS::LESLIE | It's kind of fun to be extinct | Wed Jan 08 1992 17:53 | 1 |
| Hmm, who reads the Guardian leader then?
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277.31 | Buy yourself a printing enlarger, save a bomb on vinyl | NEWOA::DALLISON | Der Tartmeister | Wed Jan 08 1992 19:19 | 5 |
| re.29
Not true.
Most CD's nowadays contain a reduced version of the 'album' art.
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277.32 | Or the album is an enlarged CD cover? | NEWOA::SAXBY | Is Bart Simpson the Anti-Christ? | Thu Jan 09 1992 10:59 | 6 |
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He's right though, most NEW album (and CD) covers are very simple.
Since Cassettes (spit) and CDs outsell LPs, it's hardly suprising to
hear that the cover design is biased towards the smaller boxes.
Mark
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277.33 | | ASICS::LESLIE | this is not my beautiful mouse | Wed Jan 15 1992 17:50 | 6 |
| Spoke to OurPrice staff in Bracknell this a.m. and found that they will
be stocking records for the foreseeable future, unlike W H Smith, their
parent company. However, they have a woefully small shelf for vinyl.
They will take orders though.
- andy
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277.34 | Our Place | SOURCE::ZAPPIA | Adult Oriented Noise | Wed Jan 15 1992 18:31 | 9 |
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Just for a second I thought an Our Price store had opened in the
states, specifically Boston. But it turns out the name was Our
Place and it was a music instrument store - the sign did look a
lot like the same red sign though. Interesting as it maybe in the
same block of stores is a small cafe called Soft Rock that supposedley
the Hard Rock Cafe folks didn't care too much for the name choice.
- Jim
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277.35 | Be independent.... | BAHTAT::SALLITT | a legend in his lunchtime | Mon Jan 20 1992 13:03 | 16 |
| If anyone has ever sought record-buying inspiration by browsing in WHS
they will know what a depressing experience it was, given the
miserable selection they had on offer. They stopped trying to sell
records years ago any way, so what's new? Having browsed their CD
collection a few times, nothing seems to have changed very much. Boots
are about the same.
As far as Our Price, and to an extent HMV also, they are really only
interested in the mass market or yoof culture, selling T-shirts and Viz
and sometimes condoms, alongside their miserable uninspiring music
selections.
If you really want a choice these days, be it format, music, or both,
you need to support the independent retailer.
Dave
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277.36 | | CHEFS::BRIGGSR | Four Flat Tyres on a Muddy Road | Mon Jan 20 1992 15:03 | 6 |
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I had a WH Smith voucher for Xmas and couldn't find a single CD that I
really wanted. I think WH Smith are purposely not even *trying* to
compete with HMVs not two doors away here in Reading.
Richard
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277.37 | | ASICS::LESLIE | Patron Saint of Noters | Mon Jan 20 1992 16:18 | 2 |
| You can use your WHS voucher in OurPrice, I believe. SLightly better
selection.
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277.38 | | CHEFS::BRIGGSR | Four Flat Tyres on a Muddy Road | Wed Jan 22 1992 14:42 | 4 |
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Really? This must be investigated.
Richard
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