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Conference marvin::uk_music

Title:The UK Music Conference
Notice:Welcome (back) to UK_MUSIC on node MARVIN.
Moderator:RDGENG::CROOK
Created:Mon Mar 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1381
Total number of notes:39269

65.0. "The Pogues" by COGVAX::CAREY (OI THATS YER LOT) Wed May 11 1988 01:08

    Well the Pogues are coming to the States. I was wondering what kind
    of press they are getting in the UK. I've seen them in Boston
    the past 3 shows (3 years) in drinking clubs and dreaded the day
    when they were to headline in a sit down hall. That day has come
    June 22. Has anybody seen them in a sit down hall?
    
    I heard that the Pogues have a new single coming out. Fiesta (sp?)
    with Strummer background vocals. Is it out yet?
    I also heard that Strummer and The Pogues are coming out with a
    single I Fought The Law. Is that true?            
    
    One more question - Does anybody know the 2 b-side songs on the 
    12" Dirty Old Town? I'm looking for it.
    
    You guys in the UK have always had the better music. Its hard keeping
    up over here. The only good thing about Boston is the local music
    scene, but thats going downhill slowly.
    
    The Pogues are a good band that their LPs are getting stronger.
    Its hard to keep the edge on the 3rd LP, but they did it.
    'If I Should Fall From Grace With God' is a good take in.
    
         Michael
    
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65.1OFFCLU::JMAGUIREWed May 18 1988 20:3617
    "If I should fall..." got very good reviews as did some of their
    concerts around Christmas. I have the record at home and it spends a
    good deal of time on the turntable. It also brought recognition for
    Shane MacGowan as a songwriter. The Pogues until then were seen in some
    circles as a crowd of boozers with little or no talent. "Fairytale of
    New York" changed that and added respectability was given to them when
    Christy Moore included "A Pair of Brown Eyes" on his "Unfinished
    Revolution" album. 
    
    They played the Barrowlands in Glasgow around Christmas and according
    to reports were superb. Kirsty McColl (whose father wrote "Dirty Old
    Town") joined them on stage for a few numbers. It is from these
    concerts that the live versions of "Sally McGlennane" and "A Pair of
    Brown Eyes" were recorded. I must hunt up the 12" of "If I should
    fall from grace with God" just for those two numbers!
    
    Jimmy
65.2COGVAX::CAREYOI THATS YER LOTWed May 18 1988 23:367
     Good idea on the hunt for the 12" ....Grace with God
    Its a different version then the LP. Kristy sings background and
    there are great music breaks.
    
       slan
    
65.321001::BOYAJIANMonsters from the IdSat May 21 1988 11:456
    re:.1
    
    Interesting. I never thought to connect Ewan MacColl with Kirsty
    MacColl. Father and daughter, eh?
    
    --- jerry
65.445384::BADMANLaugh ? I almost did.Mon May 23 1988 20:339
    After hearing Kirsty McColls dulcit tones, I decided I wanted more
    of that voice from heaven. Off I went down to me local record store.
    No luck. 
    
    Does anybody know of any Albums by the lady ?
    
    
    
    				Jamie.
65.545384::IBLwhile you still can!Mon May 23 1988 20:4410
    re: -1                                                                
    
    Albums?  I don't know the *title*, but her last solo single called
    "New England" was certainly followed by an album.  Our Price or
    some such retailer should have the name.
    
    "There's a guy works down the chipshop swears he's Elvis" probably
    features on a long player too.  Again, no title.  (no memory either..!)
    
    	  							Ian!
65.6'cos he's a liar and I'm not sure about you !!!OFFCLU::DKEATINGNot all that shivers is coldTue May 24 1988 14:0312
65.7But what about Bill ???MUNEDU::LACEYStraight to Hell Thu May 26 1988 22:288
    
    
    	New England, a fine song, mentioned so many times and
      yet no mention of Billy Bragg..... oh well
    
    
    
    		Grub.
65.8FORTY2::WATKINSGet Down Shep!!!Fri May 27 1988 00:165
    
    Bragg is on the cover of this weeks NME with a "Who the Hell are
    WET WET WET?" T-Shirt on. 
    
    Marc.
65.9William who ??RDGCSS::OGDENFri May 27 1988 17:502
    But more importantly, who the hell is Billy Bragg ???
    
65.10ANGORA::JLUDGATEWage PeaceSat May 28 1988 07:491
    but even more importantly, why is he in a discussion on the pogues?
65.11MUHIS::MCHEQUERInfected with the seasons of changeSat May 28 1988 18:592
    and even more importantly, why are we talking about the pogues ?
    
65.12HLDG02::OCONNORFri Sep 16 1988 17:082
    and even more importantly why have we *stopped* talking  about the
    Pogues ?
65.13Good Question....MUNEDU::LACEYThis is Stranger than i thoughtFri Sep 16 1988 17:251
    
65.14BONK::CHEQUERWho is this N.N.Fri Sep 16 1988 18:521
    very good question.
65.15WHO ARE THE POGUES?WAV14::BROWNESat Oct 01 1988 01:237
    As a follower of the Celtic/UK music scene over the last 15 yrs
    or so (Planxty,Bothy Band,Fairport,Steeleye,etc...) I bought the
    latest Pogues album and was impressed...I like the sound except
    for Fiesta...favorite cut is "Sit down by the fire"....BUT...
                                                
    Who are they? Where are they from? Why aren't they famous in the
    States?
65.16COGVAX::CAREY82 laws through 82 doorsWed Oct 19 1988 20:4213
    The Pogues are based in London.
    
    They have been around for about 3 years. They have 3 Lp's and 1 Ep.
    plus a bunch of 7" singles.
    
     They played 4 USA tours within the 3 years. You just have to keep
     watch in music papers to find out when they are touring. 
    
    The Pogues play Fiesta quite good - during a live show!
    
      Michael
    
    
65.17Bloody awful racketMARVIN::MACHINWed Oct 19 1988 20:4814
    Trouble with the Pogues is, your next door neighbours play them
    when they come back from the pub, and find it necessary to thump
    the table with the yo-ho-ho macho-trad-folky syncopated choruses.
    
    Least, they do if you live in my house.
    
    This forces retaliation at about 3 in the morning with the Death
    of Wossname theme from Wagner's Ring (no smut intended). Then when
    the neighbour comes round to ask what the hell the massed trumpets
    and assorted Tutonic percussive devices are all about, you can punch
    him squarely in the face and give him the sort of grin the chap
    in the Pogues has. (Knew I'd get back to the Pogues sometime).
    
    Richard.
65.18pogues in bostonPENUTS::PLEVINEWed Oct 19 1988 21:117
  caught the Pogues at the Orpheum last time around and the Metro the
    time before and enjoyed the Metro gig much more. Strummer was great
    and the Metro is/was a great place to see a show. the Orpheum show
    was good, and Christy Moore ( opening  ) was good, but i can't be
    sitting for a band like the Pogues. 
    (OI Mike)
    pfl
65.19Chortle chortleECCGY4::HAIGHschwer auf DrahtWed Nov 02 1988 16:514
    Was just catching up on this conference, been out of work for a
    bit and .17 gets a jelly tot for making me fall of me chair!
    
    	Steve
65.20JUMBLY::OCONNORDamp fine weatherTue Jun 11 1991 14:2011
65.21MINDER::GLYNNPDeath alone from death can saveTue Jun 11 1991 17:2414
re .20

Tim,

I thought he was married.  When he had an accident a while ago involving a 
bike and a car and probably several pints, they said that his wife Kate was 
at his bedside.

I once made a prediction that Shane would be dead by 32.  He must be getting 
on that way now?  Think he'll go the same way as James Douglas Morrison, 
write a couple of books of poetry than toodle off to Africa.

Paul
65.22RUTILE::MACFADYENSubtly modulated, richly texturedTue Jun 11 1991 17:349
    Re Tim: Sounds like a good trick if you can pull it off. Good luck to
    the pair of them.
    
    Re Paul: Could you change your pn, please, I find it a bit gloomy.
    It's all that talking about churches that set you off like this, isn't
    it?
    
    
    Rod
65.23worm in - worm outJUMBLY::OCONNORDamp fine weatherTue Jun 11 1991 17:5111
    Rod, it seems like that they didn't pull it off. Another quote from the
    article said smt like Shane came from "the urban brutalist school of
    poetry". Yup.

    Paul, when I see it again I'll pass on the girl's name (that copy of
    T.O. is now back in London). I don't think Kate was her first, (sorry
    Christian -;) name.

    - Tim
    
65.24MINDER::GLYNNPI don't mind at all (dee-dada-da)Tue Jun 11 1991 18:4510
    
    re .22
    
    Sorry Rod.  Been watching the Waltons too much.  Someone told me that
    it was a good substitute for going to mass on Sundays.
    
    This one any better? (a jelly-baby for the first person who can tell me
    which song it's from.)
    
    Paul                                
65.25MINDER::GLYNNPIt's happening again..Tue Sep 24 1991 11:475
    
    Anyone else hear a ruour that McGowan has left and Joe Strummer has
    taken his place?
    
    Paul
65.26tis trueXSTACY::PATTISONSamurai pizza catTue Sep 24 1991 12:144
   It was in one of the Irish newspapers at the weekend..

   Seems Shane has left "for health reasons". 
65.27XSTACY::MAHERTue Sep 24 1991 15:597
joe strummer will fill in for Shane on the Us tour and may become a full time addition.
The possibility of Shane rejoining the band has not been ruled out although it
looks unlikely at this stage. All this according to a story in the Irish Times.

Regards,

Jim.
65.28Alas....CSLALL::KSULLIVANMon Sep 30 1991 22:192
    If Shane isn't rejoining the band, they'll break up after this tour!
    We saw them Saturday night.....this combination has no future.
65.29MINDER::GLYNNPIt's happening again..Tue Oct 01 1991 11:118
re .28

Wanna give us a full review?

Thanks,

Paul
65.30Very loud very late at nightARRODS::WHITEHEADJThomas The Cross Eyed Pussy CatFri Jan 24 1992 11:4123
   Well, dunno how many years/months late, I finally find the Pogues topic!
   
   Without a doubt, the If I Should Fall From Grace With God album is the
   best album I've ever heard (it's on loan to me at the moment and has not
   yet been out of the CD player).  Favourite tracks: Thousands Are Sailing,
   South Australia, Fiesta, Streets of Sorrow/Birmingham Six, Lullaby of
   London, Sit Down By The Fire, The Broad Majestic Shannon, If Should Fall
   From Grace With God, Turkish Song Of The Damned, Bottle of Smoke, and
   Fairytale of New York.  Oh, that's most of the album.

   Seems to me that Shane and Jem Finer are rather fond of water!  Irony in
   there somewhere I guess.  Most of the songs, because of the music (my
   idea of good old Irish folk music), are quite beautiful in a way, some
   terribly hard to listen to (Streets of Sorrow/Birmgham Six) and some
   downright funny (South Australia, Fiesta, Bottle of Smoke).  And some,
   have some jolly fun words in (Bottle of Smoke and Fairytale of New York).

   I saw Shane on TOTP with Kirsty MacColl just after Xmas.  Was he p***ed
   or what?  Great voice, great charisma (sic) and one hell of a band.
   And if Joe Strummer is involved in there somewhere too, then good.
   But it would never be the same without old Shane.

   Goldy.
65.31RUTILE::MACFADYENeverything gets worseFri Jan 24 1992 14:1010
I saw Shane and Kirsty on TOTP too, and very good they were too. I was a 
bit surprised that it wasn't Strummer, but of course it's not the same 
without the dental nightmare.

What, by the way, has happened to TOTP? People really seem to be *singing*
on it. I saw a suggestion in NME that this was a ploy by the Beeb to crush
club hits that can't really be played live (as 'Roobarb and Custard' proved).


Rod
65.32ARRODS::WHITEHEADJMax the Bunny goes to MassFri Jan 24 1992 14:331
   Ah, I'm too old to understand TOTP now!
65.33And in Brendan Behan's footsteps...ARRODS::OHAGANBNot too fond of poodlesFri Jan 24 1992 16:1314
    Mmmmmm...."Thousands are sailing." I gave that a spin the other night.
    Lovely song and the lyrics are outstanding. I mean you'd be hard
    pressed to find anyone who could match a line like this:
    
    "Where we go we celebrate 
    The land that makes us refugees
    With fear of priests with empty plates
    And guilt and weeping effigies"
    
    ...More or less. It's pretty hard translating Shane's grunts but then
    again that's relatively easy work compared to deciphering Michael 
    Stipe's shrouded vocals on "Murmur".
    
    Barry.  
65.34ARRODS::WHITEHEADJBibble, Yo, BlahFri Jan 24 1992 16:3227
   But on the other hand...


   "In Manhattan's desert twilight, in the death of afternoon
   We stepped hand in hand on broadway, like the first man on the moon
   And "The Blackbird" broke the silence, as you whistled it so sweet
   And in Brendan Behan's footsteps, I danced up and down the street

   Then we said goodbye to broadway, giving it our best regards
   Tipped our hats to Mister Cohan, dear old Time Squre's favourite bard

   Then we raised a glass to JFK, and a dozen more besides
   When I got back to my empty room, I suppose I must have cried

   Thousands are sailing, again across the ocean
   Where the hand opportunity, draws tickets in a lottery
   Postcards we're mailing, of sky-blue skies and oceans
   From rooms the daylight never sees
   Where lights don't grow on Christmas trees"


   But then you could talk for ages about which are the best words in a song, 
   cos words mean different things to different people.

   Time to listen to Thousands are sailing I think.

   Goldy.
65.35MINDER::GLYNNPI'm not a pistacorFri Jan 24 1992 20:1715
Or the memorable and apt:

"What'll ya have?"

"I'll have a pint"

"I'll have a pint with you, sir"

"And they wouldn't give us service in the boozer"

I'm off down the pub.

Paul

65.36Jingle Bloody JangleWELLIN::NISBETDougie Nisbet@WLO - DTN: 853 4334Fri Jan 24 1992 20:345
    I love Waltzing Matilda ...
    
    "Then a Big Turkish Shell ..."
    
    
65.37`Lend us ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink...'POBBLE::COTTONYet KnishFri Jan 24 1992 20:370
65.38PLAYER::GWYNNESmiley Faces - who needs them?Mon Jan 27 1992 11:0712
    >>I love Waltzing Matilda ...
    >>
    >>"Then a Big Turkish Shell ..."
    
    Not actually written by Shane or any of the other Pogues, but a folkie
    type by the name of Eric Bogle. I remember reading an interview where
    he said he hated the Pogue's version because the singer had a voice like
    a donkey.
    
    Phil
    
    
65.39Or even..goodnight & god bless, now **** off to bed!!ARRODS::WHITEHEADJMax the Bunny posts a letterMon Jan 27 1992 11:116
   Try the words to Bottle of Smoke.

   Incidentally, my hubby informed me that the Pogues used to be called
   Pogue Mahone which apparently means Kiss My A**e!  Any truth in this?

   Goldy.
65.40MINDER::GLYNNPI'm not a pistacorMon Jan 27 1992 12:5412
    
    re Pogue Mahone
    
    Yes, it's true.  Annie Nightingale and the like on Radio 1 were playing
    their records for weeks before somebody wrote in and told them.  They
    were promptly banned until they changed their name to The Pogues.
    
    As an aside, the song Streets of Sorrow/Birmingham Six was also banned
    by the IBA.  As far as I know it still is, that is, as Esther would
    say, unless you know better.
    
    Paul
65.41ARRODS::WHITEHEADJA litany of saintsMon Jan 27 1992 13:1816
   Considering the words and the temperament (sp) of Streets of Sorrow....
   I'm not surprised.  A very emotive subject.  Having said that, the
   music and flow of the song is moving and easy to listen to if you
   don't pay too much attention to the words.

   I also bought a Pogues video collection on Saturday...Poguevision.
   Very good, about 14 videos on including Fairytale of NY, A Pair of
   Brown Eyes, the one where they dueted with the Dubliners and I can't
   remember the name!, Fiesta (directed by Adrian Edmondson!), Streams
   of Whiskey and If I Should Fall From Grace with God.  Also, Miss
   Otis Regrets/Just One of Those Things, a duet with Kirsty MacColl
   and lyrics attributed to Cole Porter.

   Most of the videos appear to have been shot with the contrast 	
   and brightness turned up high.  However, in most of the the Pogues
   appear to be having a good time and isn't that what counts?!
65.42XSTACY::MAHERMon Jan 27 1992 13:464
>>> the one where they dueted with the Dubliners and I can't remember the name!

The Irish Rover.
65.43WELLIN::NISBETDougie Nisbet@WLO - DTN: 853 4334Tue Jan 28 1992 12:345
    None of the Pogues are Irish, I believe. This true? If people thought
    they were Londoners they might not buy the records.
    
    Dougie
    
65.44NEWOA::PALKTue Jan 28 1992 12:533
    
    Thats almost like saying the Alarm aren't Welsh.
    
65.45SIOG::ODELLTue Jan 28 1992 13:184
    Phil Chevron and Terry Woods are definitely Oirish..don't know about
    the rest..
    
    
65.46ARRODS::WHITEHEADJS.E.E. does not existTue Jan 28 1992 13:278
   Re last two.  Strange.  

   In the insert of the "Best of the Pogues" cassette (which I am now the 
   extremely proud owner of!), the Pogues fan club is listed as being in 
   Warendorf in Germany  Also, the management is listed as being Joe Cashman 
   (who he?) for Pogue Mahone Ltd - tee hee!

   Goldy.
65.47MINDER::GLYNNPI'm not a pistacorTue Jan 28 1992 15:1517
Let's see, The Pogues

Shane McGowan - London Irish (His words, not mine)
Phil Chevron - Irish
Terry Woods - Irish
Andrew Rankin - English
Daryl Hunt - English
Spider Stacey - English (I think)
Jem Finer - English (and boring if you ask me)
James Fearnley - English

And the ninth Pogues - Kirsty Macoll (English), Joe Strummer (Sarf East 
London, born wivin ve sound o' Bo Bells, guv, honest), Steve Earle (Murrican) 
and that other bloke.

Paul
65.48VOGON::ATWALdream out loudTue Jan 28 1992 15:314
you forgot Cait O'Riordon - Irish?


...art
65.49ARRODS::WHITEHEADJEx-member of the aristocracyTue Jan 28 1992 15:333
   Is Cait O'Riordan male or female.  The name is mentioned in the song
   Fiesta, as is James Fearnley, or in Spanish Jaime Fearnley.

65.50VOGON::ATWALdream out loudTue Jan 28 1992 15:374
Cait is Mrs. Costello ( I think Elvis C. is mentioned in sleeve notes as a 
"slimey ...[something]" by McGowan).

Elvis produced the first (two) albums for the Pogues.
65.51MINDER::GLYNNPI'm not a pistacorTue Jan 28 1992 15:589
Wasn't Cait replaced by Daryl Hunt?

Et Costello, le roi de l'almeria.

I was suprised that they re-released Fairytale to be honest.  If they had to 
re-release something from The Best Of, I think it should have been 'Rainy 
Night in Soho'

Paul
65.52ARRODS::WHITEHEADJMax the Bunny goes to bedTue Jan 28 1992 16:096
   Tis funny you should say that.  I listened to , or rather watched the 
   video of A Rainy Night in Soho for two hours last night.  This is
   getting somewhat serious.  Pogue-adiction.  I think I'll put my
   personal stereo on and shut up!

   Goldy.
65.53Safe European Bank AccountARRODS::OHAGANBNot too fond of poodlesTue Jan 28 1992 20:077
    Did'nt Shane attend Westminster School (public I believe) for a while?
    Or was it that other public school socialist Joe Strummer? Strange to
    think that Joe got involved in the Rock against the Rich (brought
    to you by Class War) tour a few years back. I'd heard rumours that Joe
    owned a certain amount of property in West London once upon a time. 
    
    Barry.  
65.54MINDER::GLYNNPI'm not a pistacorTue Jan 28 1992 21:085
    
    I think you're right on both counts, Barry.  Both Joe and Shane went to
    public school.  
    
    Paul
65.55So what, that's what I say...52925::LETCHERJust say Yo!Wed Jan 29 1992 10:288
    Uncle Joe still owns a street in Camden. It's hardly what youy'd call a
    desirable property though - mostly derelict and condemned houses.
    
    And yes, he went to Westminster.
    
    Factually yours,
    
    Piers
65.56Reality is the illusion that arises by lack of alcoholCOL01::STANIENDAre. -54Wed Jan 29 1992 15:111
    can hardly imagine they've attended any school at all.
65.57ARRODS::WHITEHEADJA curse upon you Oliver CromwellFri Feb 14 1992 12:178
    Does anyone have either, or both, of the following on cassette, record
    or CD that I could borrow for a couple of days:

	"Jack's Heroes" by The Pogues and The Dubliners
	"Johnny Come Lately" by Steve Earle and The Pogues

    Cheers,
    Jane.
65.58MAJORS::QUICKFubbFri Feb 14 1992 13:236
    Re .57
    
    I'm afraid not, but I thought I'd like to nominate your p/n as
    "p/n of the decade" ;-)
    
    JJ.
65.59Last night as I slept, I dreamt I met with Behan......ARRODS::WHITEHEADJA spider in my dreamsTue Feb 25 1992 16:0915
    Isn't it amazing what fathers know?  So Brendan Behan isn't a figment
    of Shane or Phil Chevron's imaginations.  He was a "mad Irish playwright"
    (not my words!) who amongst other things tried to burn down a Liverpool
    shipyard, spent 14 years in prison for the attempted murder of two
    detectives and died in a Dublin hospital in 1964.  Wrote a few plays
    and novels, including The Quare Fellow, Hostage and Borstal Boys.

    He also had a brother called Dominic; now, what's the connection between
    Dominic Behan and the Dubliners?

    Also, anyone got any more info on the Pogues that is not included in this
    topic, such as who sung lead vocals on Jesse James (from the Rum, Sodomy
    and the Lash album)?

    Goldy.
65.60MINDER::GLYNNPRandy Sarf GitTue Feb 25 1992 16:4611
    >Also, anyone got any more info on the Pogues that is not included in this
    >topic, such as who sung lead vocals on Jesse James (from the Rum, Sodomy
    
    I thought Terry Woods did, but I could be wrong.
    
    Poguetrivia:  What famous Irish writer is featured on the back of If I
    should fall from Grace with God?
    
    Jane, have you managed to get hold of a copy of Yeah, Yeah, Yeah?
    
    Paul
65.61ARRODS::OHAGANBBring back Crown CourtTue Feb 25 1992 17:095
    Was Terry Woods knocking around with The Pogues around the time of
    RS&TL? I'd hazard a guess that Spider Stacey contributed vocals on 
    this one.
    
    Barry.
65.62Forget that, Terry wasn't around at that time.ARRODS::WHITEHEADJA spider in my dreamsTue Feb 25 1992 17:105
    The voice on Jesse James sounds like Spider Stacy, with input from
    Terry Woods.

    Paul, I don't have a copy of Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, but I do have it on
    video.
65.63SWAM2::BERZER_VICold JellyTue Feb 25 1992 21:076
    >Poguetrivia:  What famous Irish writer is featured on the back of If I
    >    should fall from Grace with God?
    
    James Joyce is on the *cover* of that album.
    
    -Vicki
65.64A pound of black pudding to the correct answerMINDER::GLYNNPRandy Sarf GitWed Feb 26 1992 14:029
    
    re .63
    
    OK, OK, he's on the back of the cover, which is what I meant, sort of.
    
    Harder one:  In that picture, which one of the Pogues looks like me
    (well, I reckon he does, nobody else seems to beleive me)
    
    Paul
65.65ShaneUBOHUB::FIDDLER_MI want the one I can't haveWed Feb 26 1992 14:091
    
65.66You asked for this oneBAHTAT::SUMMERFIELDCHome is the hangmanWed Feb 26 1992 14:109
    re .64
    
    Shane ?
    
    Only joking, nobody can look as bad as Shane. And even if they did, I
    can't imagine them admitting to it.
    
    Balders
    
65.67AndrewARRODS::WHITEHEADJA spider in my dreamsWed Feb 26 1992 16:000
65.68MINDER::GLYNNPRandy Sarf GitWed Feb 26 1992 16:2311
    
    re: Shane
    
    I won't take that as an insult.  Actaully, I think Shane looks, sort
    of, well, *distinguished*.
    
    No, it;'s not Rankin either.
    
    Clue: From memory it's the third one along from the left.
    
    Paul
65.69Philip?ARRODS::WHITEHEADJA spider in my dreamsWed Feb 26 1992 16:532
    Gonna be a case of name them all till we get the right one...two down,
    six to go....give us another clue.....
65.70MINDER::GLYNNPRandy Sarf GitWed Feb 26 1992 17:334
    
    Plays the tin whistle.
    
    Paul
65.71ARRODS::WHITEHEADJWhy's everybody SHOUTING?Tue May 26 1992 12:508
[Damn windows notes...bloomen' meeces]

    The Pogues, minus Shane, appear to have released a cover of the Rolling
    Stones' song "Honky Tonk Woman", featuring, for the first time, Spider 
    Stacy on lead vocals.  Better than the Stones' version but not that
    stunning a song at first listen.

    Jane.
65.72Blasphemy! :^)ARRODS::OHAGANBSet The House AblazeTue May 26 1992 14:473
    > Better than the Stones' version
    
    And Jesus wept. 
65.73ARRODS::DUTTONSFri May 21 1993 15:584
    It's 11:59am, Friday 21 May and GLR, Radio 1 and Capital are all 
    playing that dumb REM song.
    
    I just had to tell someone.
65.74WELCLU::GREENBLots of little OsmondsFri May 21 1993 19:193
    Tell me about it. Virgin weren't, though.
    
    Bob
65.75ARRODS::WHITEHEADJBring hell down upon meMon Aug 23 1993 12:365
    Tuesday Morning.  Excellent.  Very melodious, lots of jingle-jangle
    banjos.  Seems to be sung by Spider with harmonies from Philip.
    A very catchy song.  I can't say enough about it.  I love it.

    Goldy.
65.76ARRODS::WHITEHEADJBring hell down upon meTue Aug 31 1993 12:568
    "Waiting for Herb" the album allegedly released today.  Off to HMV later
    to see if it's true.

    Received a mediocre review in Thursday's Independant.  Not the same
    without Shane's vocals as Spider's aren't really powerful enough.  And
    with Spider singing leaves a distinct lack of tin-whistle.

    We'll see.
65.77HeHe, my own topic!ARRODS::WHITEHEADJBring hell down upon meTue Aug 31 1993 17:1216
    Got it.  Twelve tracks:

    Tuesday Morning
    Smell of Petroleum
    Haunting
    Once Upon a Time
    Sitting on the Top of the World
    Drunken Boat
    Big City
    Girl from the Wadi Hammamat
    Modern World
    Pachinko
    My Baby's Gone
    Small Hours

    Will listen to it tonight.
65.78Come back Shane, all is forgivenARRODS::WHITEHEADJBring hell down upon meWed Sep 01 1993 12:4728
    Disappointing.  That's the only word for the latest album by the Pogues,
    Waiting for Herb.  I'm still waiting.

    They seem to have lost all direction and are floundering in memories of
    days gone by.  Spider can't sing to save his life, the vocals are over-
    recorded and the music is under-recorded which in some songs is a shame
    as only the music could save it.

    Spider does lead vocals on all songs except two: Haunted, written and
    sung by Terry Woods - a rushed Irish noise!; and My Baby's Gone, a reckless
    noise sung by Andrew Ranken.

    Only songs worthy of a second and third listen are Small Hours (lovesick
    ballad), Once Upon a Time and Modern World which includes a nifty
    middle-eastern style melody.  But the prize for weirdest song goes to
    Pachinko, a far eastern based song which could be skipped to by 7 year
    olds in the school playground: "I play Deji Pachi, I play Deji Pachi,
    I go Uchi Dome, I go Uchi Dome, in my Pachinko dream".

    After a few listens though the album is growing on me.  But I doubt if
    it will ever be remembered or revered as a true Pogues classic.

    Jane.

    "The bats are in the belfry, and the bubbles in the bong, the secret of
    the universe is hidden in this song".  (Smell of Petroleum).
  
    Yeah, right.
65.79drunk songwriter geniusEEMELI::HAUTALACall 9700-7185 DEC Hot SolutionsWed Sep 01 1993 13:416
    
    I think Shane was the "soul" of Pogues and you can not replace him
    with anyone. 
    
    
    Hannu
65.80never be the sameCECEHV::KEENAN_BThu Feb 10 1994 17:526
    
    Shane was described as one of the best lyric writers ever, it was Van-
    morrison who said this, I think all the pogues are really capable of
    now is covers.
    
    Barry( X pogues fan)