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Conference marvin::uk_music

Title:The UK Music Conference
Notice:Welcome (back) to UK_MUSIC on node MARVIN.
Moderator:RDGENG::CROOK
Created:Mon Mar 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1381
Total number of notes:39269

32.0. "Arlo Guthrie" by RDGENG::MOXLEY (We're on a mission from God) Fri Apr 08 1988 20:31

    
    Hi,
    
    How many of you out there know of (or even care about) Arlo Guthrie?
    
    RDGE40::HICKS put in a note in our last UK_Music on this topic without
    many replies..., he played recently at the Hexagon, the RECORDS
    conference has a few replies on this subject, KP7 or <SELECT> will
    do it...
    
    
    
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32.1Come On Children, Come On.KLOV05::LOGANDECkchair Attendant Mon Apr 11 1988 15:3811
    Si,
    
    As you may have gathered I care about Arlo. 
    Am I the only 26 year old failed hippie in this or the RECORD 
    conference ? :-)
    
    I'd be interested to hear about his recent Reading performance. If
    any of you illustrious noters were there ( or even read reviews
    of it ) please do tell.
    
    Andy.
32.2?IOSG::LANEAh! a new possibility!Fri Apr 15 1988 20:517
    Have you got a copy of Alices Restaurant?
    
    Wanna Sell it?
    
    Andy.
    
    PS: this is a sensible question, I KNOW what it is worth!!!
32.3How Much ?KLOV01::LOGANDECkchair Attendant Mon Apr 18 1988 12:559
    Sorry,
    
    I've only got a copy of The Best of Arlo Guthrie.  :-(
    I wouldn't sell it if I did have one. :-)  I don't know what it's
    worth so please enlighten me.  
    
    Regards,
    
    Andy (Intrigued_of_Clonmel) Logan
32.4words & music for Alices CafeOFFCLU::MMCMULLINMon May 09 1988 18:0911
    
    	In my flat we have 3(Yes Three!) copies but unfortunately none
    are for sale. If you send me E-Mail I could do something for you.
    P.s I have the sheet music & words for Alices Resturant ( compliments
    of (Bill NOD::Scarborough) if you want a copy, but if more people
    are interested I might be persuaded to type in the words.
    
    	Ps. I like Woodie better.
    
    	Maurice
    	Somewhere in Galway
32.5Count me in...RDGENG::MOXLEYA33 appreciation society PresMon May 09 1988 18:226
32.6Two years ago on ThanksgivingOFFCLU::MMCMULLINMon May 09 1988 18:287
    
    
    	I think I've just got myself a job.
    
    	It might take a couple of days but I will give it a shot.
    
    		Maurice
32.7You can get anything you want...JUNIOR::CHILTONGood things come to those who workMon May 09 1988 18:484
    
    What a *great* song... and a Thanksgiving tradition here.  On
    Thanksgiving morning, (seemingly) every radio station plays
    it.
32.8Look in ListenRDGE40::HICKSGet a bigger hammer!Mon May 09 1988 21:487
    
    
    I got a copy of the best of Arlo in Listen, Butts Centre (Mall),
    Reading about 18 months ago.
    
    
    Rob
32.9The words of Alice's RestaurantOFFCLU::MMCMULLINTue May 17 1988 17:19299
    
    	Here it is the complete and unabridged text of the song.
    	This has been reproduced without permission from whoever
    	permission should be got from. No guraantees about typos
    	or any thing like that.
    
    			Maurice (sore fingers) McMullin.
    			Galway.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Spoken:
	This song is called "Alice's Restaurant." It's about Alice and the
	restaurant,but Alice's Restaurant is not the name of the Restaurant;
	that's just the name of the song,and that's why I call the song
	"Alice's Restaurant."

Sung:
	You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant,
	You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant,
	Walk right in it's around the back,
	Just a half a mile from the railroad track,
	You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.

Spoken:

	Now it all started two Thaknsgivings ago - two years ago, 
	on Thanksgiving when my friend and I went up to visit Alice
	at the Restaurant.

	But Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in a church
	nearby the restaurant in the bell tower with her husband Ray and
	Facha the dog.

	And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of room
	downstairs where the pews used to be, and havin' all that room
	(seein' as how they took out all the pews), they decided that
	they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time.

	We got up there and found all the garbage in there and we decided
	that it'd be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to
	the city dump.

	So we took the half-a-ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red
	VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction,
	and headed on toward the city dump.

	Well, we got there and there was this big sign and a chain across the
	dump sayin', "THIS DUMP IS CLOSED ON THANKSGIVING," and we'd never
	heard of a dump closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in
	our eyes, we drove off into the sunset lookin' for another place to
	put the garbage.

	We didn't find one till we came to a side road, and off the side of
	the road was another fifteen-foot cliff, and at the bottom of the
	cliff was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile
	was better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up,
	we decided to throw ours down. That's what we did.

	Drove back to the church, had a Thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be
	beat,went to sleep, and didn't get up until the next morning, when
	we got a phone call form Officer Obie. He said, "Kid, we found your
	name on an envelope at the bottom of a half ton of garbage and I
	just wanted to know if you had any information about it."

	And I said, "Yes sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie. I put that
	envelope under that garbage." After speakin' to Obie for about forty
	five minutes on the telephone, we finally arrived at the truth of the
	matter and he said that we had to go down and pick up the garbage,
	and also had to go down and speak to him at the police officer station.
	So we got in the red VW microbus with the shovels and rakes and 
	implements of destruction and headed on toward the police officer
	station.

	Now, friends, there was only one of two things that Obie could've
	done at the police officer station, and the first was that he 
	could've give us a medal for bein' so brave and honest on the
	telephone (which wasn't very likely, and we didn't expect it).

	And the other thing was that he could've bawled us out and told us
	never to be seen drivin' garbage around in the vicinity again,
	which is what we expected.

	But when we got to the police officer station, there was a third
	possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was both
	immediately arrested, handcuffed, and I said, "Obie, I cant pick
	up the garbage with these handcuffs on."

	He said : "Shut up, Kid and get in the back of the patrol car." And
	that's what we did -- sat in the back of the patrol car, and drove
	to the quote ,scene of the crime , unquote.

	I wanna tell you 'bout the town of Stockbridge, Massachusetts, where
	this is happenin'. They got three stop signs, two police officers,
	and one police car but when we got to the scene of the crime, there
	was five.

	FIVE police officers and THREE police cars, bein' the biggest crime
	of the last fifty years and everybody wanted to get in the newspaper
	story about it.

	And they was usin' all sorts of cop equipment that they had hangin'
	around the police officer station. They was takin' plaster tyre
	tracks, footprints, dog-smellin' prints and they too twenty seven
	8 by 10 coloured glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a 
	paragraph on the back of each one explainin' what each one was, to
	be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach, the
	getaway, the northwest corner, the southwest corner -- and that's
	not to mention the aerial photography!

	After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was gonna
	put us in a cell. He said "Kid , I'm gonna put you in a cell. I want
	your wallet and your belt".

	I said "Obie, I can understand your wantin' my wallet, so I don't 
	have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt
	for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangin's."

	I said "Obie, Did you think I was goin' to hang myself for litterin'?"
	Obie said he was makin' sure,and , friends, Obie was 'cause he took
	out the toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and
	drown,and he took out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars,
	roll the toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have
	and escape. Obie was makin' sure.

	It was about four or five hours later that Alice -- (remember Alice?
	there's a song about Alice), Alice came by and, with a few nasty 
	words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
	to the church, had another Thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat
	and didn't get up until the next mornin', when we all had to go to
	court. We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven
	8 by 10 coloured glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a 
	paragraph on the back of each one , sat down.

	Man came in, said, "All Rise!" We all stood up, and Obie stood up
	with the twenty seven 8 by 10 coloured glossy pictures, and the judge
	walked in, sat down, with a seein' eye dog and he sat down. We sat down.

	Obie looked at the seein' eye dog -- then at the twenty seven 8 by 10 
	coloured glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph
	on the back of each one -- and looked at the seein' eye dog -- then 
	at the twenty seven 8 by 10 coloured glossy pictures with the circles
	and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry.

	Because Obie came to the realisation that it was a typical case of
	American blind justice, and there was nothin' he could do about it,
	and the Judge wasn't gonna look at the twenty seven 8 by 10 coloured 
	glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the
	back of each one explaining what each one was, to be used as evidence
	against us.

	And we was fined fifty dollars and had to pick up the garbage -- in
	the snow. But that's not what I'm here to tell you about. I'm here
	to talk about the draft.

	They got a buildin' down in New York City called Whitehall Street,
	where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
	neglected and selected.

	I went down to get my physical examination one day, and I walked in,
	sat down, got good and drunk the night before so I looked and felt
	my best when I went in that mornin', 'cause I wanted to look like the
	All-American Kid from New York City. I wanted to be the all-American 
	Kid from New York, and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung
	down, hung up and all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things.

	And I walked in, sat down, they gave me a piece of paper that said:
	Kid, see the psychiatrist room 604.

	I went up there, I said "Shrink, I wanna kill. I wanna kill!, I wanna
	see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth! Eat dead, burnt 
	bodies! I mean: Kill, Kill! 

	And the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the
	hall, said, "You're our boy!". Didn't feel to good about it.

	Proceeded down the hall, gettin' more injections, inspections,
	detections, neglections and all kind of stuff that they was doin' to
	me at the thing there, and I was there for two hours -- three hours --
	four hours --

	I was there for a long time goin' through all kinds of mean, nasty,
	ugly things, and I was just havin' a tough time there, and they was
	inspectin', injectin' every part of me, and they was leavin' no part
	untouched!

	Proceeded through, and I finally came to the last man, I walked in,
	sat down, after a whole big thing there. I walked up, and I said,
	"What do you want?" He said, "Kid, we only got one question :
	have you ever been arrested?"

	So I proceeded to tell him the story of Alice's Restaurant Massacre
	with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that,
	and other phenomenon.

	He stopped me right there and said, "Kid, have you ever been to court?"

	And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven 8 by 10 
	coloured glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph
	on the back of each one --

	He stopped me right there and said "Kid , I want you to go over and
	sit down on that bench that says 'Group W.' Now, Kid.

	And I walked over to the bench there, and there's -- Group W is where
	they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after 
	committin' your special crime.

	There was all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly-lookin' people on the bench
	there - there was mother-rapers, father-stabbers, father-rapers!
	Father-rapers sittin' right there on the bench next to me.

	And they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible and crime fightin' 
	guys were sittin' there on the bench, and the meanest, ugliest,
	nastiest one - the meanest father-raper of them all - was comin'
	over to me.

	And he was mean and nasty and horrible and all kinds of things, and
	he sat down next to me. He said "Kid, What'd you get?"

	I said, "I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and pick
	up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, Kid?" and I
	said , "Litterin'."

	And the all moved away from me on the bench there, with the hairy
	eyeball and all kinds of mean, nasty things, till I said, "And
	creatin' a nuisance."

	And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the
	bench talkin' about crime, mother-stabbin',father-rapin', -- all kinds
	of groovy things that we was talkin' about on the bench and everything
	was fine.

	We was smokin' cigarettes and all kinds of things, until the sergeant
	came over, had some paper in his hand, held it up and said:

	 'KIDTHISPIECEOFPAPERSGOTFORTYSEVENWORDSTHIRTYSEVENSENTENCESFIFTY
	  EIGHTWORDWEWANTTOKNOWTHEDETAILSOFTHECRIMETIMETIMEOFTHECRIMEANDANY
	  OTHERKINDOFTHINGYOUGOTTOSAYPERTAININGTOANDABOUTTHECRIMEWEWANTTO
	  KNOWTHEARRESTINGOFFICERSNAMEANDANYOTHERTHINGYOUGOTTOSAY--'

	He talked for forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that
	he said. But we had fun fillin' out the forms and playin' with the
	pencils on the bench there. I filled out the massacres with the
	four-part harmony.

	Wrote it down there just like it was and everything was fine. And I
	put down my pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there,
	on the other side, in the middle of the other side, away from
	everything else on the other side -- in parentheses -- capital letters
	-- quoted -- read the following words:

	"Kid, have you rehabilitated yourself ?"

	I went over to the sergeant. I said "Sergeant, you got a lot of
	God-damned gall to ask me if I have rehabilitated myself! I mean,
	I mean , I mean that you send -- I'm sittin' here on the bench --
	I mean I'm sittin' here on the Group W bench, 'cause you want to know
	if I'm moral enough to join the army, burn women, kids, houses and
	villages after bein' a litterbug."

	He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind! We're gonna
	send your fingerprints off to Washington." and friends, somewhere in
	Washington, enshrined in some folder, is a study in black and white
	of my fingerprints.

	And the only reason I'm singin' you the song is 'cause you may know
	somebody in a similar situation. Or you may be in a similar situation,
	and if you're in a situation like that, there's only one thing you can
	do:

	Walk into the shrink wherever you are, Just walk in, say, "Shrink --

	 You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."

	-- And walk out. You know, if one person, just one person, does it,
	they may think he's really sick and they won't take him.

	And if two people do it -- in harmony -- they may think the're both
	faggots and the won't take either of them. And if three people do it!
	Can you imagine three people walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Alice's
	Restaurant" and walkin' out? They might think it's an organisation!

	And can you imagine fifty people a day? I said fifty people a day --
	walkin' in, singin' a bar of "Alice's Restaurant" and walkin' out?
	Friends, they may think its a MOVEMENT, and that's what it is:

		THE ALICE'S RESTAURANT ANTI-MASSACREE MOVEMENT!

	and all you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes
	around on the guitar. With Feelin':


Sung:
	You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant,
	You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant,
	Walk right in it's around the back,
	Just a half a mile from the railroad track,
	You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.

32.10Confusion will be my epitath...LARVAE::BRIGGSThey use computers don't they?Tue May 17 1988 18:1320
    I'm only half confused now. I watched Alice's Restaurant on the
    TV the other week. Where was all the music? I'd seen the LP in shops
    but never heard it. Do I assume then that the LP is NOT the music
    from the film but just the story of the film told in song (or did
    the song/LP come first?). Apart from Alices Restaurant song (18mins?)
    was any of the other songs on the LP in the film? Am I better off
    getting a Best of Arlo Guthrie recording or Alice's Restaurant?
    
    Is the LP supposed to be rare or something? This is the impression
    previous replies give. I'm sure I've seen the LP in many shops and
    I KNOW I've seen the CD of Alice's Restaurant in Our Price in the
    last week or so at 7.99.
    
    Half Confused
    Richard.
    
    PS: As for Woody.... Are there any CDs of his work? What about Pastures
    of Plenty (sung in Alice's Restaurant by Bob Seegar I think)? WHO was
    the early 70's group who recorded it? I thought it was Led Zeppelin
    but apparently not I have been told.
32.11I don't like TPU - Give me EDTOFFCLU::MMCMULLINTue May 17 1988 19:0114
    
    	The song is basically the story of the movie. I don't know which
    came first. The LP is not rare. It should be easy enough to get
    if you ask your local record store to get it for you. The album
    "Alice's Restaurant" contains some nice stuff on the flip side like
    'the motorcycle song' & 'Ring around the rosie rag'. The best of
    Arlo Guthrie also contains Alice's R.
    
    	As for Woody on CD - I don't think the recordings would do justice
    to a CD as Woody had an aversion to studios and most of the stuff
    that I have on LP is of very poor quality (sound that is).
    
    	Rgds.
    		maurice
32.12Living next door to Alice :-)KLOV05::LOGANDECkchair Attendant Tue May 17 1988 19:3010
    Re: the value of the Alice's Restaurant L.P.  ISOG::LANE
    
    I, too, bought the album and got it for the price of a normal album.
    What's the big deal about its value then ?
    
    Andy.
    
    Thanks to Maurice for typing the words in .9
    
    Maurice, I've had no luck with the guitar, yet. ;-)
32.13You've heard the song. Now see the filmMALLET::BARKERNigel BarkerTue May 17 1988 19:4616
>    			Do I assume then that the LP is NOT the music
>    from the film but just the story of the film told in song (or did
>    the song/LP come first?).

The song came first, it was a big success in the States at the time (mid-late
60s) a film was then made from the story told in the song which was basically 
autobiographical.

This is actually quite interesting, you know the old joke about Watership Down-

You've read the book, you've seen the film, Now eat the pie.

Well I wonder if there are any other films that have been based on songs? (or 
pies)

Nigel
32.14Jesus Christ Superstar ??IPG::MORGANThis Is Car 55, We're In A TruckTue May 17 1988 19:501
    
32.15Rabbit..RabbitOFFCLU::DKEATINGNot all that shivers is coldTue May 17 1988 20:058
32.16Convoy?LARVAE::BRIGGSThey use computers don't they?Wed May 18 1988 13:544
    Re .13
    
    How about CONVOY?
    
32.17Some more movies from songs...HAZEL::STARRYou grow up and you calm downWed May 18 1988 18:4913
    Jesus Christ Superstar was a soundtrack to the movie. The music
    didn't come first.
    
    Over here in the U.S, we had at least two I can think of:
                                       
      "Harper Valley PTA"
      "Ode to Billy Joe"
    
    and maybe
    
      "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore"
    
    Alan S.
32.18CorrectionMALLET::BARKERNigel BarkerWed May 18 1988 20:0019
Re: < Note 32.17 by HAZEL::STARR "You grow up and you calm down" >
                      -< Some more movies from songs... >-

>   Jesus Christ Superstar was a soundtrack to the movie. The music
>   didn't come first.

	Not true. The actual sequence was 

		Record
		Stage Show
		Original Cast Album
		Movie
		Soundtrack Album

I believe that with later shows (e.g. Phantom) Lloyd Webber wrote the music and 
a record was released before a live show was done. May have something to do 
with establishing financial backing.

Nigel
32.19Gotta Move OnMALLET::BARKERNigel BarkerWed May 18 1988 20:0513
Re: < Note 32.13 by MALLET::BARKER "Nigel Barker" >
                  -< You've heard the song. Now see the film >-

>Well I wonder if there are any other films that have been based on songs? (or 
>pies)

Wasn't there a film called Porky's?

I wonder if the moderator might consider moving this discussion to a fresh note 
as we have rather got away from the subject of Woody's little boy.

Nigel

32.20Sorry 'bout that, Chief!HAZEL::STARRYou grow up and you calm downThu May 19 1988 21:1213
    re: .18
    
      I stand corrected on the issue. I guess what I should have 
    said was that the music was written specifically for a play/movie.
    It was part of a soundtrack and/or storyline that was intended 
    for stage/theaters. 
    
      BTW, Andrew Lloyd Weber has done this on several occassions
    (release the music years before the play in order to raise money).
    Some examples include Jesus Christ Superstar, Cats, and Chess.
    All had soundtracks long before the plays were produced.
    
    Alan S.
32.2121001::BOYAJIANMonsters from the IdFri May 20 1988 11:196
    re:.20
    
    But Webber had nothing to do with CHESS, though one of its writers
    was Webber's JCS partner Tim Rice (plus the two men from ABBA).
    
    --- jerry
32.22Bjorn & BennyTADLEY::SUMMERFIELDCLiving on a knife edgeFri May 20 1988 15:189
    Re:.21
    
        Bjorn Ulveas and Benny Andersson if I remember correctly. They
    were the BB part of ABBA, The A  A being Agnetha Falstog and somebody
    else.
    
    Baldrick who's_not_an_ABBA_fan_even_if_he_does_know_their_names
    :-)
    
32.23"Anthem" - what a great song!JUNIOR::CHILTONGood things come to those who workFri May 20 1988 18:245
    re.22
    
    You're right about "Chess" and Bjorn & Benny.  I saw them on TV
    this morning talking about the fact that they did a cast album first
    then the show opened in London.
32.24Woody Guthrie CDLARVAE::BRIGGSThey use computers don't they?Thu May 26 1988 13:488
    re .10,.11
    
    Saw a Woody Guthie CD in HMVs in Oxford St. It was a collection
    of about 18-20 songs including Pastures of Plenty. But it didn't
    have his other well known songs unfortunately. Think it was called
    Discovery.
    
    Richard
32.25Some late informationCRONIC::MCINTYREWed Dec 13 1989 18:2126
    I know this note died a while ago, but this is my first time
    in this notesfile and I wanted to add some information here.

    Re: .21
    
>    But Webber had nothing to do with CHESS, though one of its writers
>    was Webber's JCS partner Tim Rice (plus the two men from ABBA).
    
    The two of them (Webber and Rice) also got together on Evita, which
    followed the same pattern mentioned in .20, with the album released
    before the theater production.
     
    Re: .22    
>        Bjorn Ulveas and Benny Andersson if I remember correctly. They
>    were the BB part of ABBA, The A  A being Agnetha Falstog and somebody
>    else.
>    
>    Baldrick who's_not_an_ABBA_fan_even_if_he_does_know_their_names

    Agnetha Faltskog and Anni-Frid Lyngstad (who is also known as Frida).
    The men's names are Bjorn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson.  These aren't
    the easiest names to spell, so I doubt that many ABBA fans even know
    how to spell them or pronounce them.  I'm very impressed that you came
    as close as you did!

Jon  who_is_an_(American)_ABBA_fan