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    Good!  Someone else watches this show.  I've been meaning to write it
    in here, but just hadn't had the chance.  I really like this show. 
    Most of it at times is believeable and my heart goes out to Bailey
    every time he faces a personal "little crisis".
    
    I recently heard an interview on WXKS FM (Kiss 108) with the actors
    that play Bailey and Charlie.  The two of them have been called the new
    heartthrobs since Luke Perry and Jason Priestly on Beverly Hills 90210.
    
    The show's ratings seem to pick up each week so I hope this means the
    show will be around for a while.
    
    Boy, I can remember feeling like Julia on one or two occasions while
    going through high school.
    
    
     

Can anybody put in a detailed description of last nights show?  I messed 
up the taping, and from the previews it looked like it was going to 
explain what happened to the parents.  Bet it was sad :-(

    It WAS sad...
    
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    The drunk driver who killed their parents showed up and wanted to see
    the kids to try to say he was sorry. They all aggreed not to go but
    individually they all went anyway.
    
    The best one IMO was the oldest one. Apparently he blames himself
    because he made them late (he was on a date) so they ended up leaving
    later which caused them to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. 
    
    I'm sure someone else will fill in more blanks...
    
    Steve B.

Can somebody tell me how Bailey and Kate ended up back together again?  It 
must have happened on the show I missed last week, but the week before that 
they had the big break up scene.  What happened?

It happened during the Thanksgiving episode in which all of the Dallanger(?)
kids were dealing with release of the guy who killed their parents.  Bailey
was very angry and upset, and ended up realizing how much he wanted to talk
to Kate about everything.  He went to her house on Thanksgiving Day and told
her that he realized how foolish he was to break up with her for the reasons
he did.  So, they spent some time together and she helped him through his
anger about the guy's release from prison.  

						Tracy

Thanks Tracy.... I appreciate getting these little gaps filled in 8*)

    
    
    FOX announced today that they are moving Party of 5 to follow 90210 on
    Wednesdays and Models Inc to Mondays to follow Melrose Place.  This makes 
    more sense to me.  I hope the move will rescue Party of 5.
    
    
    
    

	Just me again.... I can't wait until they move this show
	to Wednesdays, because I go out every Mon night and somehow
	manage to screw up the taping half the time...urgh!

	Can anybody put in an update for last nights show?

	Thanks in advance.

	Chris

It looks like reruns of Party of Five are back for the summer.  Wednesdays
at 9:00 on FOX.  Has anyone heard whether the show survived for next season?
First I heard no, then yes, but it was all a while ago.  I'm keeping my 
fingers crossed.
						Tracy

    Party of Five has been renewed; I've seen it mentioned in several
    magazines now (including TV Guide), so it's not just a rumor.

    
    The next couple of weeks they are supposed to run reruns and then start
    sometime the end of June with a new episode.
    
    I'm glad it made it.  I heard that they will try to concentrate more on
    each of the kids and do less stories on focusing that their parents are
    "GONE". At least that's what Entertainment Weekly stated.
    
    

    I saw this show last night and I recognized the singer of the last song
    they used in the show (a folky song), but I can't remember who it is. 
    Does anyone know who the song is by and what the song is? 
    
    Thanks,
    Leela

    Umm....
    
    What happened to Charley and Kristen?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Rachael

    
    I'll put this behind a formfeed:
    
    
    
    
    	Charlie got cold feet. He told Kirsten he loves her and doesn't
    want to marry anyone else, but he just wasn't ready yet. He's only
    25 years old and with marrying her, he gets the wife, the family,
    the house, and the job. These are all big decisions to make and they
    are all being made for him in one fell swop by marrying her. There
    were a lot of tears but it appeared the Kirsten was going to wait
    the 6 months Charlie asked for. Then Mom stepped in. Kirsten's mom
    told her to give Charlie an ultimatum: he either loved her enough to
    marry her today or not, she won't wait for him. He said he thought she
    understood and he just couldn't marry her today and he left. Kirsten
    finally comes down to tell the crowd the wedding is off, and Charlie
    comes back. He has a talk with Kirsten and he tells her that he'll 
    marry her. He gets all dressed, everyone is waiting....but where's
    Kirsten. Charlie goes to get her and she's in her jeans. She says she
    can't marry him, cause she can't believe in him anymore. She can't
    trust him to always be there. She moves out.
    
    	Charlie took Claudia on the "honeymoon" with him. She was wicked
    pissed at him for screwing everything up with Kirsten. Claudia met
    Enrico (son of hotel manager) and had a great time with him and they
    even kissed. Charlie met Monica, a young woman traveling around the
    world, rating hotels and pools until her money runs out. They slept
    together and Charlie thought they had something going (major rebounding
    here). Monica said, nope, we both know this is just a fling. Claudia
    couldn't believe Charlie slept with this woman, but Charlie explained
    about trying to make the hurt go away and because Claudia was now
    hurting about never seeing Enrico again, they made up. when they got
    back to the house, Kirsten was there getting all her stuff. She
    couldn't believe Charlie went on the honeymoon trip without her.
    She wouldn't let him help her and didn't want to see him when she came
    back in to say goodbye to the kids.
    
    That's about it for them. 
    
    Patty

Was great to see this show get some recognition by winning the Golden Globe 
for Best TV Drama last night.  I was surprised since it was up against some 
pretty heavy competition (NYPD Blue, ER, Murder 1, Chicago Hope) It is still 
one of my favs and the writing had stood up well since the show started a 
couple of years ago.  I read somewhere that the actor (Jason London?) who 
played Julia's last boyfriend will be back from reform school just in time 
for the February sweeps. 

    
    What happened last night?  

    
    Hey Vicki...didn't know you watched this show. I'll put the basics
    behind a formfeed (though I missed the first half of it):
    
    
    
    
    	Julia was really torn about making a decision regarding keep the
    baby, give it up for adoption, or abortion. Charlie was supportive of
    whatever she decided to choose. Julia opted for the abortion: the
    least bad (for her) of three bad choices. When Claudia found out she
    was pregnant and was going to abort she hard a real hard time with it,
    citing that Owen was an accident, should their folks not of had him??
    Bailey tried to get Sarah to talk with Julia and she avoided the
    subject. Eventually they did talk, but Sarah said she coulnd't be on
    her side because she was adopted and if her Mom had made the same
    decision as Julia, she , Sarah, would not exist. Through this whole
    thing Julia really pushed Justin away. He couldn't understand what she
    was going through, etc. Justin really blew up at Bailey when he came to
    the house to go with Julia to the doctor's and Bailey said Julia didn't
    want him there, that Charlie was going with her. Justin (rightly so)
    went on about he was losing something here too, and nobody had said
    "I'm sorry" to him or asked him how he was doing and he was feeling
    pretty lousy. He walked out of the house, Julia came out of her room
    to the balcony and said Charlie you better take me now. He said it
    wasn't time yet, but she said "Now". She ended up having a miscarriage.
    Claudia thought this made it "better", but Julia said "not really,
    since she was going to do it anyways". Julia and Justin talked about it
    and started on the road to recovery. The show ended with Charlie
    sitting with Julia in her bed just talking cause she couldn't sleep.
    It was a great show though having her have a miscarriage was kind of a
    cop-out, but she had made the decision instead of the miscarriage
    taking the decision out of her hands.

    
    
    ah yes... another show that tries to get the "big message" out to the
    teens and then wimps out in the end.
    
    A secondary storyline was Bailey and Sarah getting ready to take the
    "big step".  Sarah tried to make it into this hugely romantic occasion
    - candles, soft lights, mushy music etc.  This really threw Bailey off
    - too much pressure and it didn't feel natural. By the end of the show
    the Julia situation had changed their minds and the big nasty will be
    held off for awhile. 

    
    comment on the "big message" (behind form feed)
    
    
    
    
    	I didn't feel as if they "wimped out" since she had made the
    decision to abort and even commented on the fact afterwards that
    the miscarriage didn't "save her" from having to make the decision.
    She had made it and was going to carry through with it. To me "wimping
    out" would have been if she was still waffling over her decision and
    the miscarriage took the decision away from her. It is very common for
    first pregnancies to end in miscarriage...more common than people seem
    to realize.

    I saw the last 40 minutes of this last night.  Was it two hours?
    I only get to see this about once a season, so I have some questions on
    the plot: 
    
    
    
    What did Charley do wrong that they were about to lose the restaurant?
    Whatever happened to his life as a furniture carpenter?  I don't really
    know what the connection is between the family and the restaurant.  I
    thought their parents used to run it, but I didn't know the kids still
    owned it or anything.
    
    What happened to Claude's teacher, who Charley was dating?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Rachael

    re .20

    I can answer some of this:

    
    
>    What did Charley do wrong that they were about to lose the restaurant?

    He lied to the woman he was dating, the one who gave him the money to
    start the restaurant then almost killed herself when Charley tried to
    break up with her. She won an award, and in her televised acceptance 
    speech she told Charley that she loves him. Charley didn't like it  and
    told her he didn't see the show. Then in an attempt to break up with
    her again, he told her he wanted to get back together with his former
    fiance. 

    This woman found out that the fiance was out of town and that Charley
    was lying. To get back at him she told Charley that she was going to
    buy the building that the restaurant is in and not renew his lease.

    He played with fire. He's getting burned. Good show!

    Lisa

    Where is this show moving to?  I was watching 90210 wednesday night and
    some other show was on (can't remember the name).  It said that
    Wednesday at 9:00 was going to be it's regular time.  At least that's
    what I THINK it said.
    
    Holly
    

    
    Party of 5 is on Wednesday nights at 9:00.  I forgot to tape/watch
    it even (gheesh).  If anyone taped it and is willing to please let me
    borrow it - I promise to get it right back to you. 
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dianne

    Has anyone watched this lately.  I've missed a bunch of shows this
    season.  Can anyone tell me a) what happened last night with Bailey,
    and b) where is Charlie's former fiance (I can't remember her name).
    I know she had a breakdown and went home with her parents but I saw
    a piece of an episode where they were driving and she decided to go
    back home with Charlie.  What happened after that?  He's with some 
    other woman now.
    
    Jan

    
    Let's see if I can put this in a nutshell.
    
    	Kirsten was on her way back with Charlie but started to break down
    again. She realized that as much as she loves Charlie, he's part of her
    problem and it would never work between the two of them. She went back
    home to her folks and Charlie went back home alone.
    
    	Charlie and Grace started seeing each other socially as friends.
    Grace started to see a guy and it really bothered Charlie. He realized
    he wanted to start dating her. They started dating and really tried to
    keep from sleeping with each other (Charlies decision) but eventually
    the attraction was too strong. Grace's apartment had a fire so she 
    temporarily moved in with Charlie (he wanted permanent, she didn't).
    He finally convinced her that they really did belong together and she's
    now living with him (and the kids, who haven't really warmed up to her
    yet).
    
    	Bailey has just been getting worse and worse with the drinking. His
    best friend came home (broke up with "the one") and the spent some time
    together. He noticed all the drinking and talked to Sarah about it.
    Charlie was finally convinced of Bailey's problem when Bailey showed
    up at Owen's birthday party trashed. Bailey was supposed to rent a
    clown for the party, but instead blew all the money on liquor and
    rented a clown suit for himself. He really scared the little kids, fell
    into the cake, and punched Charlie.
    
    	The family decided they had to do something: this was last nights
    show, Intervention. They got Bailey to the house by Claudia calling him
    in a panic about Owen falling down the stairs. He was pissed when they
    all ganged up on him about his problem. He wouldn't listen. Finally Joe
    arrived and Bailey was yelling at him, "I suppose you're going to tell
    me what my father would say right now" Joe said that his dad would say,
    "Not my son too". The kids dad was an alcoholic. He stopped drinking
    when Charlie was little and the wife said it was the liquor or them.
    Bailey had a great "speech" about how Claudia got the great talent of
    violin playing from Mom, Julia looks like Mom, Charlie looks like Dad,
    and I always wondered what I got from them. Now I know. They really
    thought this got to him, but it went the other way. He resigned himself
    to being "just like Dad", an alcoholic. Claudia tried talking to him
    about how he is her favorite, she loves him the best and if he doesn't
    stop drinking she'll hurt him the only way she can; she'll stop talking
    to him and won't see him and he won't be able to see Owen. Bailey just
    looks at her and walks out....end of show.
    
    Hope that catches you up.

    <--  good recap
    
    The previews for next weeks show look good - Griffin is back in the
    picture.  And it looks like Sarah and Bailey are going to be involved
    in a major car crash.

    Thanks for the update.  I really appreciate it.  I really liked
    Kristin.  But, I guess the show has change now and then to stay
    fresh.
    
    Jan

    
    
    I really like this show.  They seem to relate to topics pertinent to
    today's kids.  It amazes me how it always seems to be in danger of
    getting the ax after each season.  
    
    I hope it continues to make it.  It's one of the few shows on the tube
    that I consider "quality" programming.
    
    Looking forward to this week's episode.
    
    

    
    
    Okay, it's my turn...what happened last night?? I was out for the
    evening and forgot about setting the VCR. Who got married???
    
    Patty

    Okay, here's the readers digest version:
    
    
    
    Griffin and Julie got married.  I missed a lot of what happened before
    the marriage.  I think she wanted to travel and he was afraid of losing
    her.  He suggested they get married and she agreed.  The way she
    explained it to Charlie is that no matter where she goes she has that
    (the marriage) to hold onto.
    
    They didn't tell her family beforehand.  They went to Reno.  The family
    was worried when they didn't hear from her and were a little in shock
    when she came in and broke the news.  Later they got together and gave
    her their mother's wedding ring as a gift.  Griffin and Julia did not
    have a ring when the ceremony was performed.
    
    Grace and Charlie split up.  It was Charlie's decision.  Grace found
    out that Kirsten couldn't have kids and wondered how it would be
    different since she didn't want kids and they'd be in the same place as
    Charlie would have been with Kirsten.  After watching Grace on the
    phone trying to fend off Owen's need for attention Charlie decided that
    it wouldn't work out between them.  He told her that he understood that
    she didn't want to have kids but that she also didn't want the ones he
    already had.  She tried to explain that she needed time.  She said you
    can't just add water and have instant parent.  Charlie told her that he
    couldn't wait for her to figure out if she could do this or not.  What
    if it took a year or two.  Owen would be 4 or 5 and then she might
    disappear from his life and he would miss her.  Grace was surprised
    that Charlie would put the kids before his own happiness and he told
    her "that's what parents do."
    
    I missed a lot of what happened with Bailey and Sarah.  I think he
    realized that he wanted to get back together with her.  He kissed her
    at one point and she kissed him back.  Later when he went to her house
    he ended up having a discussion with her mother, who wasn't thrilled to
    see him.  Mom told Bailey that Sarah had been accepted to Brown
    University and was out celebrating with her father.  Bailey was crushed
    that Sarah would be leaving.  Sarah called several times and left
    messages but Bailey wouldn't return the calls.  He wanted to drink very 
    badly and ended up calling his AA sponsor for support.  The next day 
    Sarah came over to tell him the good news.  He said he'd already heard.
    He was still upset over her leaving and she realized he thought she was
    going to Brown.  She was actually talking about Berkeley.  As it turns 
    out she'd received a letter that morning telling her she'd been accepted 
    to UC Berkeley and was thrilled.  Bailey was relieved.
    
    After Bailey heard the news about Julia's marriage he went to Sarah to
    talk to her about them getting together again and I believe she told
    him that she wanted to be friends.
    
    Okay, that's it.  That's all I remember.
    
    Jan 
          

    
    
    Thanks. I had figured it would be ....
    
    
    
    
    	Julia and Griffin to be the ones to get married. I'm glad Charlie
    broke up with Grace. They had absolutely no chemistry.
    
    Patty

    I know...
    
    
    I had pretty much figured out that it would be Julia and Griffin.  I
    had a feeling Sarah wouldn't be marrying Bailey.  They've been through
    too much recently to just jump into a marriage.  And I agree that
    Charlie and Grace have no chemistry.  I'm having a hard time seeing
    him with anyone but Kristen.  I do like the way they're maturing the 
    character though.
    
    Jan