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Conference ljsrv1::tv_chatter

Title:The TV Chatter Notes Conference
Notice:Welcome to TV Chatter :-)
Moderator:PASTA::PIERCE
Created:Wed Dec 16 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:498
Total number of notes:5416

495.0. "The Shining (new)" by SALEM::TAYLOR_J (and so it goes...) Mon Apr 28 1997 23:22

    So has anyone else seen the recent TV movie "The Shining" ?
    
    
    
     I like it alot ! 
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495.1Scary stuff!POWDML::PHOMMAHAXAYTue Apr 29 1997 13:325
    I only caught a few minutes here and there, but it was still enough to
    make a little jumpy at night!
    
    I haven't read the book or seen the first movie...so, what's the deal
    with red rum?  I don't get it.                  
495.2BUSY::SLABBlack No. 1Tue Apr 29 1997 13:413
    
    	"redrum" = "murder", backwards.
    
495.3SO FAR IT IS GREATPCBUOA::CHENARDTue Apr 29 1997 15:457
    Saw the first part which I really liked.  Taped the second part which I
    will try to watch tonite.  I think Steven Webber is doing an excellent
    job and the little boy "Doc" is great too.  I think it is spookier
    than the original movie - so far anyway.  
    
    Mo
    
495.4I like the original betterMETALX::SWANSONVictim of ChangesSun May 04 1997 23:138
    I didn't think it was as good as the original.  Nobody would be able to
    top Jack Nicholson's performance IMO.  The kid was spookier in the
    original too, I thought.
    
    I only saw the last part though, and a bit of the 2nd.
    
    Ken
    
495.5ODIXIE::MOREAUKen Moreau;Technical Support;FloridaMon May 05 1997 00:5337
RE: .4 -< I like the original better >-

To each their own, but I vastly preferred Stephen Kings version to Stanley
Kubricks version.  For one thing, the character development was better.
You got the idea with Weber that here was a relatively normal man, who
had a few problems, being driven insane by outside forces.  With Nicholson,
you got the idea that here was a complete wacko who couldn't wait to kill
his wife and child and eagerly grabbed the excuse that "the hotel made
me do it".  With Rebecca DeMornay you got a strong woman who defended
her son against anything and who would not let little things like injury
or pain even slow her down, while with Shelly Duval you got a complete
wimp whose notion of defense was running and screaming.

For another thing, they included not only the hedge animals but also
the mallet scene at the end, which was totally gross but completely
necessary to tell both Danny and the viewer that his father was dead.

I appreciate that King had 5.5 hours to tell his story while Kubrick had
only 2 hours, but I really wonder whether Kubrick or Nicholson ever read
the original book, instead of just hearing a few highlights delivered by
someone who only skimmed it.

Compare the scene with the father in the ballroom (one of the few scenes
from the book that Kubrick deigned to include in his movie) to see the
differences between the two movies.  Weber is just starting to lose it,
while Nicholson is already completely gone.  The whole approach is
totally different here between the two movies, and I think King did a
better job than Kubrick did.

One final point: I heard somewhere that part of the contract between
King and Kubrick which allowed King to re-do the movie was that King would
not trash Kubricks movie.  You may notice that the only thing that King
will say about Kubricks movie is "no comment".

-- Ken Moreau
   who was glad that someone finally made a movie out of this book, instead
   of making a movie whose only correlation to the book was the title
495.6THE REMAKE IS BETTERPCBUOA::CHENARDMon May 05 1997 13:557
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    I totally agree.  This was a great re-make and one of the few that was
    actually better than the original.  
    
    Mo