Conference ljsrv1::tv_chatter

	While not as good as the two shows that border it, it is a good
	filler for what would otherwise be dead time.  I'm still hoping
	they'll move Wings & Fraiser back to Thursday however .....

	Is this Courtney Cox's first role since playing Alex's girlfriend
	on Family Ties?  Interesting to see Lisa whatever from Mad About
	You in another role (she still plays a ditsy type character, but
	not as ditsy as on the other show).

	One of the dark haired male characters I remember from somewhere,
	but I can't remember where.  Does anyone know who I'm talking
	about, and what I most likely remember him from (I seem to recall
	it being a movie role, or am I getting him mixed up with Matt
	Dillion?)?

    Lisa _Kudro_, who used to be Ursula on Mad About You spent time as a
    member of the Groundlings, an Improv company in Los Angeles.  She is
    hysterical and does not always play ditzes.
    
    MJ

I think one of the guys used to be on Valerie Bertinellis show ("Sydney?")
Was he one of her brothers??

One of the dark haired guys,(kinda greasy looking hanging in his face, real
New York accent) played in a sitcom where he lived with his father and they
were the landlords or maintenance guys in the building. There was a
younger girl that lived in the building that was always after him.
Not alot to go on but I do remember the series.

Randy

Re: .4

	Ya ya, that sounds familiar.  "One Day At A Time" comes to
	mind but that show has been off the air for a long time .....

    I remember that show too, it was kind of a spin-off from Married
    with Children.  That guy played Kelly's boyfriend on a few
    episodes and then the father came in and was Al & Peggy's friend
    from the old days (went to their wedding).
    
    The guy I remember more is the one who plays Courntey's brother.  He
    was on NYPD Blue for about 3 or 4 episodes until he was killed off.
    Played a lawyer (I think) that lived in the same building as
    Detective Kelly's ex-wife.  
    
    I watched last night's show and really enjoyed it.
    
    Mo
    

    
    This show seems to get better every week. I would rate it right
    up there with Seinfeld and Frasier as one of the best sitcoms
    this season.
    FWIW
    	The title song is done by the Rembrandts.
    						Jim

    
    	What show did I see Lisa Kudro's boy friend from last nights show
    in?
    	He played a guy in the Florida Keys who was called Shamus. He had
    moved form NY after winning the lotey.
    	I think the title had Paradise or Key in it.
    

    Fisher Stevens

    I put this upcoming news behind a form-feed just in case it's
    considered a spoiler but:
    
    
    
    Within the next couple of week (I think it's the 16th of Feb), Lisa
    Kudro will be playing a dual role on Friends according to TV Guide. 
    She will play Phoebe and her twin Ursula (from Mad About You).  I'm not
    sure of the premise (I seem to remember that they don't know about each
    other) but it should be pretty funny.  Helen Hunt and one of the other
    female stars of Mad About You will be guest starring also.  It will be
    a two-parter.
    
    Cheryl

Re: .10

	Yup, Entertainment Weekly magazine also reported that a couple
	of weeks ago in an article they had about the cast.  They said
	it's because of Feb. sweeps month .....

	on a side note, i think EW also indicated that Courtney Cox is
	dating Michael Keaton????  did he get divorved as I thought he
	was married??

    I just heard on the radio yesterday that Courtney moved out of the
    house where she and Michael Keaton were living.  He was starting to
    pressure her about getting married (I think they've been going out
    about 8 years) and she didn't want to.  So, they are still seeing each
    other but according to Amy Doyle (the dirt devil on Mix 98.5), they are
    no longer living together.
    
    Cheryl

    
    I didn't even know they knew each other - thanks for the scoop.
    

    Courtney played Michael's girlfriend on a sitcom he was in years ago,
    that's how they got together.
    
    Was it Family Ties??
    
    Kirsten
    

    
    Wrong Michael Keaton. Courtney played Michael Keaton's girlfriend on
    Family Ties, that's true, but that Michael was played by Michael J.
    Fox. The Michael Keaton that Courtney is dating is the one who played
    BATMAN. Easily confusable.
    
    Patty

The character played by Michael J. Fox on Family Ties was Alex P. Keaton.  
Courtney Cox played his second girlfriend.  The actress who played his first 
girlfriend, Ellen, was the one he got involved with and married.  I can't 
remember her name exactly, but I think it is Tracy Pollac or something.

							Tracy

    
    	And Michael Gross played Steven P. Keaton, Alex's father, so
    	this is a mess just waiting to happen.  8^)
    
    	I thought her name was Tracy Pollan, but it doesn't really
    	matter either way.
    

	Looks like it's going to be a good couple of shows tonight. Lisa
	Kudrow will be doing double duty as Phoebe and Ursula (the 
	character she plays on 'Mad about You')  Apparently Joey meets
	Ursula and wants to date her.  Also, Helen Hunt will be in one of
	the episodes - it is on twice tonight on either side of Seinfeld.

I read that 'Jaime' will be on the episode following 'Mad About You' and 
that 'Carter' and 'Doug' will be on the episode preceeding 'ER'.  Just tying
it all together I guess...
						Tracy

  I like this show.

  Every time I see it I can't help but thinking, "I was that young once".

  George

    I missed the ending of the second half.  The last part
    I saw was the two doctors from ER show up at the 
    apartment and they were arguing about how normal
    Monica and Rachel seemed.  OF course that was before
    they started in on each other and Monica told Rachel's
    father that Rachel slept with some guy on his bed in 
    highschool!
    
    Did they ever tell the two doctors that they had switched
    names?
    
    What happened between Joey-Ursula-and Phoebe?
    
    thanks in advance!
    
    anna
    

    
    I'll put this behind a formfeed:
    
    
    
    
    	The last scene of the date was the one that you mentioned.
    	Monica and Rachel got called from the hospital cause a form
    	needed signing. They decided they couldn't handle the pressure
    	of what they had done, so when they got to the hospital Monica
    	(?? I can't remember which one is which now...the brunette played
    	by Courtney Cox) asked for another form since she filled it out
    	wrong....again...yes she's that stupid!! While there the guys
    	showed up with the monkey. He had swolled a Scrabble tile. The
    	nurse said they don't take animals. Doug and Carter showed up,
    	the girls acted screwed up about their names and Doug said he would
    	look at the monkey. 
    
    	I wish I could remember the names...anyways, one of the guy friends
    	told the owner of the monkey that see, he'll make a great father,
    	he came through and was there when the monkey needed him. Then the
    	monkey woke up and grabbed the guys finger and held on tight...just
    	like the guys father told him he had done as a baby and that's when
    	he knew he was a father. You could see the look of love/realization
    	come over the guys face that he know knew what being a father was
    	going to feel like.
    
    	Phoebe/Ursula: Phoebe went to visit Ursula at the restaurant and
    	they excahnged birthday gifts (Ursula gave Phoebe the sweater the
    	Joey gave her.) They had a conversation about Joey and Ursuala
    	isn't planning on calling him to tell him it's over cause "he's
    	smart enough to figure it out". Phoebe pretends she's Ursula and
    	goes to the coffee house to tell Joey it's over. They end up
    	kissing and when Joey walks away he has a puzzled look on his
    	face. Phoebe falls back into the couch with a WOW expression.
    	Joey comes back and looks at Phoebe and says "Phoeb??" She says
    	"Yeh" and they just kinda smile at each other. They end up showing
    	up together at the hospital when they hear about the monkey.
    
    	I thing that's about it.
    
    Patty

    thanks a lot....I appreciate it.
    
    anna
    

    Why wasn't Friends on last night?  Not only was it not on last night
    but it looks like they scheduled another show in its place for next
    week.  Did it get moved to another time slot?
    
    Bethany
    

    
    	It was on at 9:30 last night, after Seinfeld.
    
    	It might be moving there permanently ... looks like "Madman
    	of the People" is gone.  Too bad, because I liked that show.
    

> It was on at 9:30 last night, after Seinfeld.
> It might be moving there permanently ... 

	Yes, 9:30pm Thursdays is it's new time slot.  Reprogram
	your VCR's ....

    My friend told me that Lisa Kudrow is the sister of Sharon Stone.
    I guess I just can't picture that!!  Anyone know??
    
    RS

    Don't know about that (doubt it), but the oldest daughter on Cybill is
    Michelle Pfeiffer's sister....
    
    Leslie

    I forgot to share some trivia that I read some time ago about Lisa
    Kudrow.  Seems she won the part of Roz on Fraiser.  But after shooting
    the pilot, the producers decided she wasn't right for the part and she
    was let go.  They hired the actress who currently plays Roz.  Talk
    about fate!  I don't know, I can't see her in the part.  I'm sure she
    played it very differently than this currently one.
    
    Cheryl

    She seems to young to play Roz.  Well, it worked out for the best
    because she is perfect as Phoebe.
    
    RS

    I heard on the radio this morning that Courtney Cox (who had moved out
    on Michael Keaton because he was pressuring her to get married) has
    agreed to marry him.
    
    Did you all catch the article in People this week about the monkey who
    plays Marcel?  In real life, his name is Monkey (original!) and he also
    plays the monkey who carries the deadly virus to the US in Outbreak.
    
    Cheryl

    
    RE: -1
    
    I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that's Michael J. Fox, not Michael
    Keaton.
    
    

    
    	Michael J. Fox is married to Tracy Pollan, and has been for a
    	few years ... so if Courtney Cox were living there also I think
    	Tracy would have gotten a little suspicious.
    

    It's Michael Keaton (Batman) whom she is marrying.  Michael J. Fox (who
    played Alex P. Keaton on Family Ties) is married to Tracy Pollan (who
    also played one of Alex's girlfriends).  They have a five year old son
    and Tracy is expecting (or already had) twins.
    
    Cheryl

    Shawn, did that collision hurt you as much as me?????  :')
    
    Cheryl

    
    	Read .14-.20 in this note and you'll see this same discussion.
    
    	8^)
    

    
    	RE: Cheryl
    
    	Actually, I kind of liked it.  We should "bump" more often.  8^)
    

    
    	Great line last night!!
    
    
    	[On the phone] "It's her machine."
    
    	"Answering machine?"
    
    	"No ... strangely enough, her leaf blower picked up!!"
    

    
    
    I agree!  I was in stitches with that one!  Of course, I was thinking
    of a particular friend that would have asked the same question.
    
    Did you know that the girlfriend who was getting married was Jennifer
    Grey from Dirty Dancing?  I didn't think it looked like her at all, but
    according to Entertainment Weekly, that was her guest starring.
    
    

    
    	Jennifer Grey?
    
    	I don't know ... I'm pretty good with faces, and I think I'd
    	have noticed.  Of course, I've missed a few here and there.
    

    Last night's show was pretty funny. I hate that I can never remember
    the good lines the next day... but the leaf blower answer was a good
    comeback. There were several other exchanges that had me and my husband
    laughing (and he's usually a tough one).
    
    Jennifer Grey???? never would have guessed it at all. thanks for the
    tip. 
    
    I don't know about others, but I really like this show. Even though the
    scripts are usually about nothing, I like the interaction much better
    than Seinfield or Ellen.
    
    Is the theme song written just for the show or is it from something
    else? 
    
    Did anyone notice that the coffee shop name is readable whether you are
    inside or outside? I didn't see it closely enough to see if it's the
    same window from the outside shot or not.  And can you believe the size
    of the coffee cups? If they are drinking caffinated coffee - no wonder
    they are all so hyper! I just bought several cups that size (actually
    because I had seen them on the show and thought it might be good for
    soup) and they easily hold 16-20oz of liqued. Hopefully they don't have
    a long subway ride from there to home....
    
    anyway - imho - the show keeps getting better.
    
    janetb.

    JEnnifer Grey had her nose clipped after her movie Wind.
    That would explain why she doesn't look the way she is supposed
    to!  Freaked me out at first too when I first saw her...
    
    anna
    

    
    	I had taped the show for my sister, so I went back and watched a
    	little of it ... and yes, it was Jennifer Grey.
    
    	HOWEVER, if I didn't know it was her,I never would have guessed
    	it either ... she only looks remotely similar to what she looked
    	like in "Dirty Dancing" and "Ferris Buehler's Day Off".
    

    
    	I finally got around to watching the season finale last week.
    
    	Poor Ross!!  If I knew I could have had Jennifer Aniston but
    	wasn't aware of it until too late I'd be very upset.  8^)
    
    	Did anyone recognize Joey's girlfriend, Corrine Bohrer?  Maybe
    	you did but forgot where you'd seen her before?  Well, so did
    	I, except for a couple movies ["Aurora:Operation Intercept" and
    	that "changing places with parent movie" with Judge Reinhold and
    	Fred Savage].  Wasn't she in a TV show or 2 also?
    

    Re: .44
    
    >Wasn't she in a TV show or 2 also?
    
    I know I've seen the name before, in connection with TV.  Perhaps a
    maid-type in a short-lived series a few years ago.

    > Poor Ross!!  If I knew I could have had Jennifer Aniston but
    > wasn't aware of it until too late I'd be very upset.  8^)
    
    Poor Ross? I feel sorry for Rachel! She took a big emotional risk to
    give Ross a chance; and through no fault of her own, is about to get
    the wind taken out of her sails. That fade-out on her at the airport
    with flowers was marvelous, and very poigniant.
    
    Started watching this accidentally because it comes between Seinfeld
    and ER; it's become our second favorite show (after ER). They have some
    great zingers, though I missed the one about the leaf-blower:). Can
    also relate well to the characters, especially the love of coffee.
    
    I think those really big mugs are for cappacciono, which is diluted by
    a lot of steamed milk and foam; so they aren't necessarily drinking
    quite that much coffee. It's a good example, though, to show the coffee
    shop as a fun alternative to hanging out in a bar.
    			Jim

    
    	Chandler [to Joey, of course]: You STOP the Q-tip when there's
    	resistance.
    
    	------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    	Phoebe [to Monica]: It's been so long since you've had sex that
    	you were wondering how it's changed?"
    
    	Monica: NOW that's what I'm thinking, yes.
    
    	------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    	Monica: If I had a nickel for every guy I wish I wouldn't have ...
    	but this is about YOU, not me.
    

    The female actors who play Ross's ex-wife and her life-partner have
    shown up on other new shows (as completely different characters).
    
    I can't remember now where I've seen the ex-wife, but the life-partner
    shows up as the wife of a friend in the show, Single Guy, immediately
    after Friends.
    
    

>     I can't remember now where I've seen the ex-wife, ....

	i don't know about new shows, but the ex-wife (actress
	Jane something or another) used to be on the ex-FOX
	show "Herman's Head", and I've also seen her in some
	B horror film.

She is playing the fiance of the guy who is in the new sit-com
with Elizabeth McGovern (I think that's her name) Is this enough
info for someone to name the show?  The two leads are both engaged
to other people and work in a recording studio. They are attracted
to each other, but (at the moment) are still committed to their
fiancees.

    
    Close on the title...If Not For You...

And I believe the actress is Donna Dixon who used to be in Busom Buddies
with Tom Hanks and Peter Scarelli(???) where they dressed in drag so
they could live at a female rooming house.

    
    	I'd know Donna Dixon if I saw her.
    
    	And that wasn't her.
    

    
>>    	I'd know Donna Dixon if I saw her.
    
>>    	And that wasn't her.
    
I stand corrected ! I watched the show last night and I think her
name is Debra Jo Rupp. She still looks and sounds like Donna Dixon !

I don't think the show will last too long !

    Nope, the woman who plays Ross's ex-wife is Jane Sibbett.  She was on
    Herman's Head (thanks, I knew she looked familiar) and is the fiance'
    on If Not For You (which I caught last night and it was baaaaad).

    another Friends crossover - 
    
    the old grumpy guy who lives on the floor below Monica and Rachel
    showed up (I think for the second time) in Star Trek:Voyager  as a
    holodeck character in a re-occurring program that's a re-creation of a
    French bar/pool hall. His character is a pseudo-charming
    professional(?) pool player who hits on the women.
    
    Highlights from last week's show for me:
    
    Beginnning scene when Carol starts to breastfeed the baby and the two
    guys (not Ross) freak and quickly exit to the kitchen. Ross comes in
    and berates them about their actions and tells them to ask Carol any
    questions.  After 2 reasonable questions Joey comes up with:
     "if he (baby) blows in one, does the other get bigger?"
    
    The whole scene between Monica and Rachel after Monica has gone
    shopping with Julie, Ross's new girlfriend. for those who didn't see
    it, it was scripted exactly like any "cheating husband confronted by
    wife" scenes we've seen in movies/tv.Lines like - "it didn't mean
    anything", "I was thinking of you the whole time", etc.
    
    The scene between Joey and his roommate (can't think of name) after
    Joey comes back from work, dressed in white satin cowboy cloths, from
    spraying Hombre, (men's cologne) at his department store job, where the
    whole scene is a takeoff of western bar scenes... especially the crack
    about seeing Miss Kitty.  I wonder how many outtakes they had sliding
    the glass over a tile counter?
    
    I usually tape this show, even if I'm watching it "live" just to review
    the funny lines. Hope they can continue at this level!
    
    jantb.

>>  The scene between Joey and his roommate (can't think of name) after

That would be Chandler - I think he gets all the best lines!

    I loved the interplay between Phoebe and Ross in this last week's
    episode concerning evolution! It took me a minute to remember what Ross
    does for a living and why he'd be so determined to prove evolution to
    Phebes.
    	favorite lines:
    	Phoebe, questioning gravity... "it's not so much I don't believe.
    It's just that lately I get the feeling I'm not so much being pulled
    down as I'm being pushed"
    	after the final argument when she's made Ross question his beliefs
    and he's left. She turns to Monica and Rachael: "that was fun.... Anyone
    hungry?"
    
    Other great scenes/lines:
    	Opening scene - when the 3 main female characters are giving
    Chandler a hard time for breaking up with yet another woman, reason
    for this breakup: she had big nostrils. Joey jumps in and says he has
    to agree with chandler. When he (joey) first came to the city he dated
    a girl who was "really hot, great kisser" but she had a big adam's
    apple. then, he thinks they are kidding him, when he's told "women
    don't have adam's apples".
    
    	"because she doesn't hate Yanni is not a real reason"
    
    	the whole scene with Chandler and janice at the coffee shop...	
    "and what, miss the expression on your face?"
    
    
    good show as always....
    
    janetb
    
    

    
    	"Supposably ... supposably."
    

    
    	Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders will join the cast as a nosy
    	neighbor.  She will be performing "Angel of the Morning" in a
    	November episode [11/2?].
    

    Last week (10/26) while the networks were running re-runs, NBC showed
    what I assumed was a repeat of a very early Friends episode. 
    
    General plot: Ross finds out that he's going to be a father (the same
    kid that was born at the end of last season) and spends the rest of the
    episode dealing with that. There's a scene at the doctor's for the
    first sonagram, with Carol, Susan and Ross. Rachel has been asked to
    give her engagement ring back to Barry, because he wants to give it to
    Mindy (Monica finds out Mindy and Barry went on what would have been
    Rachel/barry's honeymoon). Monica hosts dinner for their parents and is
    freaked about it, as her mother is so critical. Ross's parents find out
    about Carol and her life partner at the dinner. And the actor playing
    Carol is different than the one we have been seeing.
    
    Was this the first show or somewhere near the beginning of the
    series? It was good but it didn't seem like a "first show" as there
    were lots of plot threads that without prior knowledge, could have
    gotten the viewer lost.
    
    janetb.
    

  Yes it was early but not the 1st. I seem to remember an earlier one where
Rachael walked out of her wedding, Ross split up with his wife, and their
romantic non-romance began. Or something like that.

  George

    
    Did you notice that the girl playing Ross's wife was a dif' actress

    I found it funny in this episode that Rachel refers to Mindy's new
    nose.  Ofcourse a few episodes later Mindy finally appears, played by
    actress Jennifer Grey, with "her" new nose. 

I missed this last night.  Can anyone give an update?  Unless it was
a repeat.  

Thanks a lot,
Ann

    
    	Yes, it was a repeat.  The showed this season's opener again.
    
    	But I caught a couple more retorts that I missed the 1st time
    	around, like:
    
    	Ross, just back from overseas: "Well, I gotta get some sleep.
    	It's like 6PM our time now".
    
    	Chandler [of course]: Well, just don't tell me what happens.
    	I like to be surprised."
    

    Why do they keep showing repeats???!?!
    
    'pril

> Why do they keep showing repeats???!?!

	Geez, I don't know.  Maybe it has something to do with the
	budget stalemate? :-)

	FWIW, looks like they are advertising at least a new Friends and
	a new Seinfeld (not sure about TSG and CITC) for this Thursday, a
	new MAY and NR this coming Sunday, and new Wings & I believe
	a new Fraiser next Tuesday (and of course the series premiere
	of T3RFTS).

    
    	New "X-Files" this week also.
    

    Repeats during the holidays seems to be a very common practice now.
    Most of the shows I usually watch seemed to go into "holiday hiatus"
    this year, and it was all the channels.
    
    But, even the repeat shows were funny. 
    
    Also - for Christmas I was given a "Friends" cookbook. If I remember
    correctly, it is put by a chef who's related to the show and some food
    editor. There is lots of narratives about the episodes and each page
    has at least one quote from a character (best part of the book). There
    is some bio info on the main cast. Most of the recipes have something
    to do with an episode, though some are "Gee, if they were going to eat
    this dish, this is probably how Monica would prepare it...."
    
    It's a fun read. Haven't tried any of the recipes yet, though. And, I
    found some episodes I don't think I have seen!
    
    janetb.

    so who were the "friends" who drank the diet coke during the
    commercials?  i missed 1 of the commercials. i've seen phoebe, joey and
    rachel drinking the diet coke. who was the 4th?
    
    ann
    

> Did anyone in the NH area (who didn't lose cable last night) tape the
> show after the super bowl?

	See topic 122.

	FWIW, the show started about 15 minutes or so late due to the
	post-game show running over (I missed the first 1-2 minutes of
	the show myself).

	Back on the topic, I thought Van Dam was a married man?  Why does
	he keep having 3-somes with Drew Barrymore?

RE              <<< Note 305.73 by VAXCPU::michaud "Pretty Woman" >>>

>	Back on the topic, I thought Van Dam was a married man?  Why does
>	he keep having 3-somes with Drew Barrymore?

  Add it up, looks like 3 to me.

  George

    
    He's had at least two wives before the current one, hasn't he?
    
    DFW

    
  Two at once or one at a time?

  George

    Last nights show was a real keeper, Ross looked classic, Rachel looked
    rough, and Monica was a scream!  I think the entire episode was well
    written and the dialogue was hysterical.  Between the bracelet, which
    I would love to know the reason Joey bought such a piece of jewelry 
    and the bit about the lobster had me on the floor.  This is a show 
    that keeps me interested.  As far as this season goes on Tv this is
    the only show that I consistantly watch or make it a point to tape.
    
    Donna

    I missed the very beginning.  Was the bracelet a birthday gift, or
    what?
    
    Leslie

    Chandler has been helping Joey out with his portion of the bills
    because he wasn't getting much acting work.  Now that he has been on
    "Days" for awhile, Joey was able to pay back Chandler for some money
    that he owed him and wanted also to get a little something extra
    special for his "best bud"

  Picked this out over the last few shows:
  Smelly Cat by Phoebe Buffay:

    Smelly Cat, oh Smelly Cat,
    What have they been feeding you?
    Smelly Cat, oh Smelly Cat,
    It's not your fault.

    They won't even take you to the Vet.
    You're obviously not their favorite pet.
    Your no bed of Roses,
    Your really hard on noses.

    [repeat chorus]

  George

    
    	My sister said there's more to that song than was heard on
    	last night's episode [the Chrissy Hynde episode], but I guess
    	I never saw that 1 ... or don't remember it.
    

  She's right. Last night (which was a rerun) they just did the 1st couple
lines. They kept restarting because Phoebe didn't like the way the professional
singer was doing her song.

  During the show where they did Phoebe's video they did the whole thing.
That's where I got the version I put in .-2.

  George

    And, after the episode with Phoebe making the video, I would find
    myself humming Smelly Cat, at random times over the next several
    days.... not really the song I want zig-zagging around my brain!
    
    janetb.
    
    ps - am now humming it again after reading these notes  (AGGGHHHHHH!)

  Oddly enough it is a catchy tune.

  I have no idea why.

  George

    
    
    re: .82
    
    Incidentally, the "professional singer" is Chrissy Hynde
    of Pretenders fame.  
    
    -Brenda
    

    
    I too was singing smelly cat after the Pheobe did the video, infact you
    guys got me singing it again today... :-)
    
    

	any comments on the Rolling Stone cover?!?!?

    
    	I'm speechless because every time I look at it I start to drool.
    
    	Nice 2-page spread in the middle [not a "centerfold", unfortun-
    	ately, or I'd have removed it and hung it somewhere] mimicking	
    	the Janet Jackson cover from a year or 2 ago.
    

    What is the cover? and the other pages mentioned?
    
    thanks!

    
    	On the cover, she's laying down, naked, and you can see her
    	bum [nice bum, too, I might add].
    
    	Inside, there's a 2-page vertical picture of her in a pair
    	of dark bikini underwear, and she's holding her hands over
    	her naughty bits.
    

    
    who is HER?  Rachel/Jennifer?
    
    

    
    	Oops ... yes.  Jennifer Aniston.
    

http://www.phantasy.com/~hetfield/jenny.html

    
    on Inside Edition lastnight.  they said that Jennifer/Rachel did not
    know that pitcher was to used for rolling stones mag and she is very
    upset.  Did did pitchers for another mag for other reason but the
    person who ownes the other mag also owns the Rolling Stong mag - 
    
    Lou

> ... know that pitcher was to used for rolling stones mag and she is very
                ^^^^^^^
>     upset.  Did did pitchers for another mag for other reason but the ...
                      ^^^^^^^^

	do you really mean "picture"/"pictures"??

1. pitch.er \'pich-*r\ n [ME picher, fr. OF pichier, fr. ML bicarius 
   goblet, fr. Gk Xbikos earthen jug 1: a container for holding and pouring 
   liquids that usu. has a lip or spout and a handle 2: ASCIDIUM; esp : a 
   modified leaf of a pitcher plant in which the hollowed petiole and base of 
   the blade form an elongated receptacle
2. pitcher n : one that pitches; specif : the player that pitches in a game 
   of baseball or softball

1. pic.ture \'pik-ch*r\ n [ME, fr. L pictura, fr. pictus, pp. of pingere to 
   paint - m]ore at PAINT 1: a representation made by painting, drawing, or 
   photography 2: a description so vivid or graphic as to suggest a mental 
   image or give an accurate idea of something 3: IMAGE, COPY {the ~ of his 
   father} 4a: a transitory visible image or reproduction 4b: MOTION PICTURE 
   pl, chiefly Brit  4c: MOVIES 5: TABLEAU, TABLEAU {stage ~} 6: SITUATION
2. picture \'pik-ch*-rin, 'pik-shrin\ vt or pic.tur.ing 1: to paint or draw 
   a representation, image, or visual conception of : DEPICT; also : 
   ILLUSTRATE 2: to describe graphically in words 3: to form a mental image of 
   : IMAGINE

    
    	Thank you for clearing that up, Jeff.
    
    	I, for 1, was quite perplexed before you entered that.
    

anal

> anal

	Are you talking about yourself here?  I'd hope so, as you
	better not be talking about any other noters (see the PPP).

    I thought this subject was to talk about "Friends" and the
    people that star in it.  I believe there is another file
    that talks about grammar and spelling.

    
    	RE: .99
    
    	Be careful ... telling Jeff "where to go" is probably against
    	the P&P's also.
    

> I thought this subject was to talk about "Friends" and the
> people that star in it.  I believe there is another file
> that talks about grammar and spelling.

	You must of just started reading this conference???

	So you must be from the school of "two wrongs make a right",
	and you couldn't email me your rat-hole comment offline,
	but had to post it here for all to read :-)

> Be careful ... telling Jeff "where to go" is probably against
> the P&P's also.

	Shawn, I suggest you read/skim the P&P, it's easy reading.
	In VTX the keyword is ORANGEBOOK....

    
    	Jeff, the P&P's [and violations thereof] are pretty easy to guess
    	for anybody with an IQ over 20.  And mine's gotta be at least 21,
    	so I guess I'll just wing it.
    
    	And my comment was in regards to the pointer to JOYOFLEX, which
    	was in essence telling you "where to go".  NOW is it funny?
    

    Jeff, I see you went to the same school.   :)

    Can we please stop this and go back to the current topic?
    
    Holly
    (co-mod)
    

    
    	Oh yeah, pitchers.
    
    	Clemens has some fastball, doesn't he?
    

Re: .105

	Why is it Shawn that you always have to add one more soapbox
	style reply after a moderator has told us all to cut the feces
	(joyoflex to you too :-)

jeff-who-has-deleted-lots-of-shawn's-inappropriate-notes-in-other-conferences:-)

ps: Holly (or the other co-mods), feel free to delete this note during the
    next housekeeping pass

pss: it's notes like .105 Shawn that put you right up there in the top 10
     noters (from a scan of all the employee-interest (vs. work :-)
     notesfiles listed in easynotes.lis

Number    Number
of        of
Notes     Lines Author/Account
   8893   83224 BUSY::SLABOUNTY
   2477   27423 MILKWY::SLABOUNTY
    986   10902 ANT::SLABOUNTY
    666   10183 MORRIS::SLABOUNTY
    262    2559 FISED::SLABOUNTY
    212    2438 TIGER::SLABOUNTY
    191    1766 7892::SLABOUNTY
     30     228 SCUBA::SLABOUNTY
     28     293 JOVIAN::SLABOUNTY
     26     649 38514::SLABOUNTY
     15     195 SEAVU::SLABOUNTY
      8     158 PLDVAX::SLABOUNTY
      8     222 ANGORA::SLABOUNTY
      7      61 38002::SLABOUNTY
      5      46 VOYAGR::SLABOUNTY
      5      51 VIKING::SLABOUNTY
      4      28 COUGAR::SLABOUNTY
      1       5 37936::SLABOUNTY
      1       5 37966::SLABOUNTY
      1       8 38599::SLABOUNTY

    
    	Jeff, you forgot ::LABOUNTY_FIS
    
    	8^)
    

> Jeff, you forgot ::LABOUNTY_FIS

	sorry about that (though the additional 30 notes are hardly enough
	to move you higher than the #10 spot :-)

     30     325 BUSY::LABOUNTY_FIS

	There's also a:

      1      12 ITASCA::LABOUNTY

	is that you?

    
    	Nope, ITASCA:: isn't me.
    
    	There was a Patricia Labounty in Vermont, so it might have been
    	her.  She's since left the company.
    

    
    Jeff, Sean - enough is enough.  Let get back to "friends".
    
    Louisa (w/Co-Mod hat on)

    
    Lastnights show was okay, I liked the line:
    
    Monica to Tom Selleck - "Am I an oat?"
    
    Lou

    I thought the part where Monica and Rachel were bargaining in the
    bathroom was very funny

    I liked last night's episode, but again found myself wondering at the
    topics being discussed, in a show that is on at 8pm. We've come a long
    way (good or bad) from when married TV couples had to have single beds
    and one foot on the floor at all times!
    
    liked the "am I an oat?" line too.
    
    So - votes on whether chandler moves in with Joey or kick current
    roommate out?
    
    janetb.

    
    	What was the topic?
    
    	I taped it, so I could watch "High Risk" [Lindsay Wagner ... yum!!].
    

    
    >What was the topic?
    
    There was alot of talk about sex, and alot of sex going on between Ross
    & Rachale and Monica and Tom (whats his name of the show??).
    
    Janet, atleast they did get into the topic that if your going to have
    sex make sure your protected and if you are not, then don't have sex. 
    I think Monica got that accross.  but I know what you mean.
    
    Lou
    

    What was the story?  pretty much what .-1 said. I'll put more details
    behind a new page/form feed. Describing it, it didn't seem as bad, but
    watching it, it just seemed like almost every scene had to deal with
    sex.
    
    Question: how many people believe Tom Selleck would fit into Monica's
    bathrobe? And why aren't Ross and Rachel using Ross's apartment? He
    doesn't have a roommate (of course, then the story wouldn't work)
    
    TV guide this week indicates a new episode, with Chandler and the new
    roommate.
    
    And .-1 is right, they did make the point about either having protected
    sex or no sex. And the Tom Selleck character (why I can't remember his
    name is beyond me...) was an example of not sleeping around. So some
    redeeming content could be squeezed out of this. Guess I've just been
    watching this with a "different view" lately, as during January, my
    rather conservative mother-in-law was visiting and we watched this. And
    she made the comment that my nieces watch this show (8yrs. & 5yrs) Now,
    I keep seeing it with that in mind. 
    
    Still - funny episode and funny show.
    
    janetb.
    
    
    there be possible spoilers....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Three storylines in the show.
    
    1. Sex topic (the one that surprised me)
    While at the coffee house, Phoebe makes a speech saying "how of all the
    guys Monaca has been with and believe me, that's been alot, you're
    (meaning the tom Selleck character) the nicest". This starts a
    conversation between him and Monica about "how many" have there been.
    she's reluctant to tell him, so she asks him how many he's been with.
    answer - 2. His ex-wife and Monica. When she asks how is that possible
    "have you looked at yourself?" he answers that he married his high
    school sweetheart, was married to her 30 years and now there's Monica.
    She still tries to avoid the answer. He's says he doesn't need an exact
    number, just a ballpark. She answers by saying "it's definately less
    than a ballpark. Adjourn to bedroom. next time we see them she's told
    him the answer (we don't find out what it is) and he's saying the
    number is lower than what he would have guessed with all her reluctance
    to tell him. and, he's not bothered by it at all. she questions him
    about sowing his oats and hence the question, "am I an oat?". He then
    says he only sleeps with people he loves. Monica than admits she loves
    him too.
    
    In the mean time, Rachal and Ross have retired to her bedroom, with
    Rachel saying she doesn't envy monica right now. Ross asks what
    Rachael's "magic number" is. She names about 4, with the last being
    Paulo. Ross makes some comment and rachel, trying to make him feel
    better, says it was only animal sex between her and Paulo. Which
    bothers Ross to no end. she tells him with him it's tender and
    meaningful. He asks if there isn't even a little animal sex with them,
    "not even chipmunk sex?" It takes her a while to convince him.
    
    Next scene has Monica and Rachel, both in the bathroom, scrambling for
    something in a drawer, which turns out to be the box of condoms. But
    there is only 1 left. They then argue over who gets it. (funny line
    here where Rachel promises Monica she'll clean the apartment for 2
    months, if she can have the condom, Monica responds that "you can have
    it now, if you can tell me where we keep the dustpan". she can't.
    Eventually they use rock/paper/scissors. Rachel wins. Meantime, both
    guys have come out of the bedrooms, very anxious/eager, and end up
    making small talk with each other. Rachel grabs Ross and they disappear
    into the bedroom. When asked to go into the other bedroom Monica says
    to .....(selleck) "They're having sex tonight. Tomorrow we can have
    sex". Scene ends with him making a comment about "if there's some type
    of schedule, can I at least see it first?"
    
    Very last scene of show has both guys coming in/out of the bathroom,
    wearing female bathrobes, you assume getting condoms. They try doing
    small talk again and then decide "never to mention this again" 
    
    side comment: at this point, you'd think they'd keep a supply in the
    bedrooms.... 
    
    other stories:
    1. Joey and Days of our Lives
    Show opens with the gang watching the current episode of Days of our
    Lives (Joey's character confessing he's the half brother of a female
    character), then Joey gives them the run down of what's to happen - his
    character wins a medical award and then they (joey and 1/2 sister) go
    to south america, join up with another half-brother and Joey's to find
    the world's biggest emerald (but it has a curse). So - Joey is doing well
    on DoOL's and is excited. However, he then gives an interview in Soap
    Opera digest and mentions he writes a lot of his own lines. Phoebe
    questions whether the writers would be bothered by that line and Joey
    can't see why "the interview makes him look good, which makes the show
    look good, which makes the writers look good". However, the writer(s)
    don't see it like that and have his character fall down an elevator
    shaft and die. Joey's very depressed and the gang tries to cheer him
    up, but not too successful.
    
    2. Chandler and his roommate (can't remember the character name)
    Phoebe convinces Chandler to spend more time with his roommate, after
    chandler complains the guy spends all his time in his bedroom. The 2
    guys talk and roommate talks about his girlfriend who dumped him "like
    she reached into my chest and pulled out my heart and I'm falling into
    a deep dark abyss with no way out". Story scares chandler. Next day the
    girl friend drops off an empty fishtank. Roomie isn't home. She and
    chandler start talking when roomie shows up. Ex-Girlfriend leaves.
    Roomie accuses chandler of having sex with ex-girlfriend and, since the
    tank is empty - killing his fish. Chandler denies everything "but
    that's just what someone would say, if he did sleep with her". Later,
    chandler comes home, roomie offers cookies. When chandler asks "are
    these raisens?" response is "uh sure, whatever you say", Chandler flips
    cookie across room while roommate isn't looking. Roommate shows off new
    fish, which he's named Chandler. fish is a Goldfish cracker - chandler
    escapes to his bedroom. Other than complaining to the others, nothing
    is resolved.
    

    
    Super update Janet!
    
    Louisa

    
    RE: the last few...
    
    I believe the Tom Selleck character's name is Richard.

RE the topics

  Friends was never intended to be an 8PM TV show. Originally it ran later and
at one point I believe it ran as late as 9:30 but this season NBC decided to
move it to 8PM for scheduling reasons. Same thing with Mad About You on Sunday
night at 8. 

  In any case as people have said, they take a conservative point of view on
the topic of romance, always preaching monogamy and safe sex.

  George

    
    	Who's the guy who plays that psycho roommate?
    
    	I know I've seen him before, very probably playing a disturbed
    	character [which he does quite well, I might add].
    

    I just checked the "Friends" www page - the actor's name is Adam
    Goldberg and it's really been bugging me too, so maybe you can now use
    that other thingie you have and post his credits?

    
    	I feel so cheap, and used.
    
    	But OK.  8^)
    

    
                               Adam Goldberg

Actor
    
       1. "Double Rush" (1995) .... Leo
       2. Higher Learning (1994) .... David Isaacs
       3. Dazed and Confused (1993) .... Mike
       4. Son in Law (1993) .... Indian
       5. Mr. Saturday Night (1992) .... Eugene Gimbel

Note: the titles that start with a quote (") are TV series

    Well... the only thing I've seen on that list was "Dazed and Confused"
    and I seem to remember him as one of the nerdy guys.  Remember?... there
    were two guys and a girl who were kind of geeky but they still ended up
    going to the party in the woods.  I have that movie on tape so I'll
    have to watch it again to refresh the memory.

    
    	Didn't see it.  I did see "Son In Law" but don't remember him
    	in that.
    

    Re: Mr. Saturday Night
    
    I believe he was Elaine's brother seen sitting with the family at
    the show done by Buddy Young Jr.
    
    George

    OK - basic question I was asked last week and realized I didn't know
    the answer....
    
    How did the 6 main characters become friends?
    
    I know Monica and Rachel went to school and were best buds.
    Ross, being older brother to Monica. would know Rachel.
    
    But how did the others become part of the group?
    Are Chandler and Joey in the group because they live next to Monica? Or
    did someone, like Chandler, go to college with Ross? and where did they
    meet Phoebe?
    
    thought I knew this...must be in brain drain mode...
    
    thanks!

  I think you've got 5 of them right. Monica, Rachel and Ross grew up together
and Chandler and Joey live across the hall.

  I can't remember how Feebe fits in. For that matter, I don't think we have
any idea where she lives. They couldn't have known Feebe very long because I
think I remember her telling them about her twin. Obviously they would have
know about that if they grew up together. 

  George

    
    
    Well, maybe she hooked up with Rachel thru the Central Perk connection,
    Phoebe with her music, and Rachel doing the waitress thing?

    
    As a friend pointed out to me today, Phobe was accused of steeling
    Monicas boyfriend 1 day after Monica dump him.  This was back in school
    - so Phobe must know them from school as well.
    
    Louisa

    
    	I think I remember a show where they found out that Phoebe had
    	a twin sister and were surprised that she never mentioned it
    	before then.
    

  But if Feebe had known Monica in school they would have known she had a twin
because the twin would have been there. Somehow I doubt that Urslia went to a
private college. 

  Most likely the writers didn't think Feebe through all that carefully. In
some ways she seems almost like a surrealistic type of character. She has no
job, she has no place to live, she has no life to speak of, maybe she's not
suppose to make any sense. 

  George

    I don't know the answer either, but twins do not always attend the
    same college, and [taking the assumption George seems to be making] if 
    *Phoebe* attended a state college, *Ursula* could have attended the
    same college but on a different campus.  (Of course, higher education
    seems to have dealt Ursula only a glancing blow; maybe she avoided
    college entirely.)
    
    Leslie 

> Most likely the writers didn't think Feebe through all that carefully. In
> some ways she seems almost like a surrealistic type of character. She has no
> job, she has no place to live, she has no life to speak of, maybe she's not
> suppose to make any sense. 

	This is a "sitcom", not a docu-drama :-)  We've already gotta suspend
	some dis-belief in the first place to believe the characters can
	afford the apartments they live in (in NYC) ...

  There seems to be a gap in the story line and College may well be it.

  When they talk about Monica, Ross, and Rachels background it usually seems
like they are talking about highschool (Proms and the like). On the other hand
it appears that the characters are suppose to be mid to late 20's at present.
That does leave a gap of about 8 years that they don't talk about very much. 

  George

RE           <<< Note 305.134 by VAXCPU::michaud "Sun Microsystems" >>>

>	This is a "sitcom", not a docu-drama :-)  We've already gotta suspend
>	some dis-belief in the first place to believe the characters can
>	afford the apartments they live in (in NYC) ...

  It's amazing how many people complain about the price of their apartments.
It's actually kind of funny. No doubt it's has to do with most TV critics
coming from New York and being in a wage bracket where getting that type of
apartment is a problem. 

  Yes, I don't think anyone argues that you have to suspend belief but we were
just curious as to where the friends came together in the story line so we were
talking it over. No doubt they have really fine apartments for people with
their salary and no doubt that matters only to those people who actually live
on the west side of Manhattan.

  George

    http://www.dartmouth.edu/~andyjw/friends/faq.html
    
    2.06 How did they all meet?
    
    JG: "O.K., here's the quasi-definitive answer as I know it, as we
    writer folk have discussed it over the course of the season...
    
    "In the pilot, we established that Monica, Rachel and Ross all went to
    Lincoln High School together. Monica was fat; Rachel was popular and 
    possibly bitchy; Ross was a nerd. Rachel says that she and Monica were 
    close, but in the time since, they've drifted -- enough so that Rachel
    didn't think to invite Monica to her wedding."
    
    "We also established that Ross had a crush on Rachel back then; she
    knew this, but thought of him as 'Monica's geeky older brother.'
    
    "During the making of 'The One Where Nana Dies Twice' [108], Schwimmer
    and Perry wondered if Chandler and Ross might have gone to college 
    together. We writers agreed that it might be nice for two of our other 
    characters to have a history together, so we wrote it in.
    
    "Therefore, my guess is that when Monica graduated college and was
    looking for an apartment, Chandler (who was living with his first 
    roommate Kip -- the one Joey is jealous of in 'Dozen Lasagnas' [112]) 
    alerted her to the fact that an apartment was opening up across the hall 
    from him. Monica found Phoebe through a roommate-matching service and moved
    in.
    
    "One of the ways we've justified -- to ourselves, at least -- this
    amazing place Monica lives in (on an assistant chef's salary!) is that 
    it's probably an illegal sublet. Several plot lines revolving around
    this fact were discussed over the course of the season, but never
    amounted to anything.
    
    "Anywaaaaaay... When Kip got married, he moved out and Joey (who
    Chandler probably also met through a roommate-matching service, or by 
    putting up flyers at the laundromat) moved in. Around the same time, 
    Phoebe's grandmother needed some kind of taking care of, so Phoebe
    moved out of Monica's to live with her. This is another element we
    talked about a lot over the course of the season, but it never found 
    its way into a story.
    
    "As for the timing of the events surrounding Ross's divorce, that's
    something we've consciously avoided getting into. The more you think 
    about it, the more troublesome it becomes: Was Carol
    already involved with Susan when Ross got her pregnant? We invite
    viewers to figure this one out for themselves..."
    
    Return to Questions
    
    

> It's amazing how many people complain about the price of their apartments.
> It's actually kind of funny. No doubt it's has to do with most TV critics
> coming from New York and being in a wage bracket where getting that type of
> apartment is a problem. 

	Some of us also know people who live in NYC, DC, etc and know
	how much they pay for rent and how big their apts are ....

> Yes, I don't think anyone argues that you have to suspend belief but we were
> just curious as to where the friends came together in the story line so we
> were talking it over.

	I understood.  But my comment about it being a sitcom and not
	a docu-drama was in direct response to your comment about the
	writers apparent lack of thought in creating Phobes character.
	Ie. I don't expect to know the same type of details about the
	characters, etc, as I would for a documentary.  In fact the
	lack of details in a sitcom can be even funnier than knowing
	everything, such is the case with Seinfeld's Kramer who I still
	believe we do not know how he supports himself (and neither does
	Jerry apparently).

	FWIW, David Schwimmer was on Letterman last night and said they
	wrapped up for the season last week.  No mention however of how
	many un-aired episodes are left to finish the season...

RE                  <<< Note 305.138 by VAXCPU::michaud "IBM" >>>

>	Some of us also know people who live in NYC, DC, etc and know
>	how much they pay for rent and how big their apts are ....

  Yes, I'm sure that in addition to New York Critics with a bone to pick there
are people who live in New York who also have nothing better to do than gripe
about than sit-com apartment prices. 

  At any rate it appears that the writers have thought these things through
in spite of it not being a docu-drama.

  George

>   Yes, I'm sure that in addition to New York Critics with a bone to pick there
> are people who live in New York who also have nothing better to do than gripe
> about than sit-com apartment prices. 

	Who said anything about griping?  Don't assume that just because
	one discusses something that they are complaining/griping about it.
	You didn't hear me accusing you of griping because you thought they
	hadn't thought out Phobes character very well (what, you don't have
	anything better to do, like work, than to grip about ... :-))

>   At any rate it appears that the writers have thought these things through
> in spite of it not being a docu-drama.

	Which is exactly my original point when I disagreed with your
	assessment of the writing.  Ie. they may of thought it out, but
	there is no overwhelming need to force all that info into the
	script strickly for completness sake, and gives them the flexibility
	to change facts that haven't already been commited (assuming they
	aren't like some shows where continuity with facts disclosed in
	previous episodes is not very important, or is shoddy).

                  <<< Note 305.140 by VAXCPU::michaud "GTE" >>>

>	Which is exactly my original point when I disagreed with your
>	assessment of the writing.  Ie. they may of thought it out, but
>	there is no overwhelming need to force all that info into the
>	script strickly for completness sake, 

  Who ever said there was a need for them to do anything? We were just
speculating on who was who so that we could understand the story line better.
I'm not at all clear on what point you are disputing.

  George

    I am not a New York critic with a bone to pick, or a person who lives
    in New York who has nothing better to do...
    
    but whenever, between moments of doing better things of course, I see
    that apt I immediately wonder how the heck can she afford a place like
    that.
    
    Maybe if I actually liked the show I would notice it less. As it is
    it's just another reason to think it is insipid. She's not really an
    assistant chef else she'd be living in an apt like the Kramden's. She
    can afford it cause she's really a glamorous TV star. The carefree
    friends are the ones with nothing better to do, but chum around in
    various urban-yet-trendy-spacious dream settings, tossing off bon-mots,
    and above all, looking gorgeous.
    
    Somebody said television always overestimates interior space. It is a
    stage after all. They couldn't fit a camera crew into a real apt.

    
    >Somebody said television always overestimates interior space. It is a
    >stage after all. They couldn't fit a camera crew into a real apt.
    
    
    	If you look up "Cheers" in the dictionary, this is the defin-
    	ition you'll find.  8^)
    

> Who ever said there was a need for them to do anything?

	You got me, who?

> We were just
> speculating on who was who so that we could understand the story line better.
> I'm not at all clear on what point you are disputing.

	I originally was disputing your comment that you felt the writers
	hadn't thought through the Feebe character all that well (see your
	original reply, and my original reply to your reply).  You've since
	changed your mind so there is no longer a "point to dispute".  As
	I said, I understood what this discussion has been about, and did
	find it interesting (though now that we've heard from one of the
	shows writers we've now ended up with a similiar feeling to when
	you've been shown the secret behind a magic trick, the mystery
	and the fun of speculation is gone :-(( ).

    Heard on the radio this mornin' that Ross wants to leave
    the show......

> Heard on the radio this mornin' that Ross wants to leave the show......

	Don't tell me he's dating Shelly Long? :-)

  Sounds like someone wants a raise.

  George

    Ya, like working with the three of the hottest babes' in TV isn't raise
    enough...(wink,wink,nudge,nudge)

Was that Marlo Thomas playing Rachel's mom last night?

JAM

    
    	Yeah, she's moonlighting to pay for the anticipated lawsuit
    	against her.
    
    	8^)
    

  Who's suing Marlo Thomas?

  George

    
    	Seems that a dog owned by her and Phil decided to run onto a
    	freeway and get hit by a car.  A guy driving by the scene was
    	watching the excitement and rear-ended a fire truck, and now
    	this guy is suing Phil/Marlo for damages.
    
    	I hope he loses.
    

  If that's all there is to it he doesn't have much of a case.

  Anything else happen that would make it less frivolous?

  George

    
    	It's not clear whether the dog had been hit and disabled, or
    	whether it had been hit but was still in the road, possibly
    	still moving about.  If the dog were moving about, maybe he
    	has a case in that he was making sure not to hit it.  If the
    	dog were lying in the breakdown lane, I'd say he'll lose.
    

> Was that Marlo Thomas playing Rachel's mom last night?

	You must of missed the earlier episode when Marlo 1st played
	Rachel's mom (which is the episode when Rachel's mom 1st told
	Rachel that she was splitting from Rachel's dad).

	The real real reason Marlo is moonlighting is not because of
	that frivilous lawsuit, but because today Phil taped his last
	and final episode of his show after 29 years of doing it.
	Gotta make up that lost revenue some where :-)

>> Heard on the radio this mornin' that Ross wants to leave the show......
> Don't tell me he's dating Shelly Long? :-)

	I heard on the news this morning that the early weekend numbers
	for the movies puts "The Pallbearer" in 9th place in it's opening
	weekend.  The bad reviews by S&E and L&M probably didn't help :-)

	Hopefully this will make David S. think twice if there is any
	truth he was thinking of leaving the show .....

    Ninth place is bad? Jay Carr of the Boston Globe gave the
    Pallbearer a good review.
    
    Good for Schwimmer I say. Can't blame anyone for wanting to
    leave Friends. They already have all the publicity they need,
    and plenty money too. Why bother sleepwalking through more
    seasons of the same old shtick when you can afford trying more
    challenging roles.
    
    Shelly Long may be compared to Kirstie Alley, who stuck with
    Cheers till the end, and that didn't get her anywhere either.
    
    Or Denise Crosby who left Star Trek and went nowhere, vs, say,
    Troi who stayed on and went nowhere once the show ended.
    What's the diff? Credit to the restless ones I think.
     

    Well, Troi at least got paid for 6 more seasons,and the Generations
    movie, whereas Crosby has only done a few guest spots on Lois and Clark
    that I know of.
    

    
    	Please keep in mind that Denise Crosby has been around for awhile
    	and "Star Trek" was not her 1st role.
    
    	I'll be right back.  8^)
    

                               Denise Crosby

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Actress filmography

       1. Dream Man (1995) .... Barbara
       2. Mutant Species (1995)
       3. Black Water (1994)
       4. Max (1994) .... Jayne Blake
       5. Relative Fear (1994) .... Connie
       6. Desperate Crimes (1993) .... Bella Blu
          ... aka Ritmo del silenzio, Il (1993)
       7. "Key West" (1992)TV Series .... Chaucy
       8. Dolly Dearest (1992) .... Marilyn Read
       9. Red Shoe Diaries 2: Double Dare (1992) (TV)
      10. High Strung (1991) .... Melanie

      11. Blackwater (1989)
      12. Miracle Mile (1989) .... Landa
      13. Pet Sematary (1989) .... Rachel Creed
      14. Skin Deep (1989) .... Angie
      15. Tennessee Nights (1989) .... Sally
      16. Arizona Heat (1988) .... Jill Andrews
      17. Crime Zone (1988)
      18. "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987)TV Series .... Natasha
          "Tasha" Yar (1987-88,90,94)
      19. Encounter at Farpoint (1987) (TV) .... Natasha "Tasha" Yar
          ... aka Star Trek: Encounter at Farpoint (1987) (TV)
      20. Eliminators (1986) .... Nora Hunter
      21. Desert Hearts (1985) .... Pat
      22. Malice in Wonderland (1985) (TV)
          ... aka Rumor Mill, The (1985) (TV)
      23. Stark (1985) (TV)
      24. Cocaine: One Man's Seduction (1983) (TV)
      25. Curse of the Pink Panther (1983)
      26. Man Who Loved Women, The (1983) .... Enid
      27. 48 HRS. (1982) .... Sally
      28. Trail of the Pink Panther (1982)

      29. 10 (1979) .... (uncredited)

      30. "Days of Our Lives" (1965)TV Series .... Lisa Davis (1980)

> Ninth place is bad?

	For a film in it's opening weekend it is (unless it was a very low
	budget artsy type film, which I don't believe this one was).
	Most of the films that did better were *not* in their opening
	weekend.  Exception to the rule are films that are sleepers, but
	only time can tell and those are relatively rare so don't hold
	your breath :-)

> Good for Schwimmer I say. Can't blame anyone for wanting to
> leave Friends. They already have all the publicity they need,
> and plenty money too.

	Given there are six (6) stars in this series, and everyone except
	for what's her name (who plays Monica) was a relative nobody before
	the series, my guess is that relatively speaking, they don't have
	plenty of money.

> Shelly Long may be compared to Kirstie Alley, who stuck with
> Cheers till the end, and that didn't get her anywhere either.

	Kirstie Alley got what she really wanted, ie. ex-Hardy Boys husband :-)

> What's the diff? Credit to the restless ones I think.

	As the previous noter indicates, the difference is a "steady" good
	paying job.  Given they only work like half the year or so on
	the series, there is still plenty of time in the year to work
	on other interests (such as movies).

	They are certainly free to do what they want (baring contractual
	obligations), but I personally wouldn't give credit to any
	Friends cast member leaving while the show is still so early
	in it's life cycle (it's not like "Wings" or "Seinfeld" :-)

>	Kirstie Alley got what she really wanted, ie. ex-Hardy Boys husband :-)

    Please try to contain your blatant sexism.

>	As the previous noter indicates, the difference is a "steady" good
>	paying job.  Given they only work like half the year or so on
>	the series, there is still plenty of time in the year to work
>	on other interests (such as movies).

    To go back to a previous noter, the original Star Trek cast had steady 
    good-paying jobs. Most of them struggled to get another role in
    anything.  What success did McLean Stevenson and Gary Burghoff have
    after they left M*A*S*H? Steady jobs on television can typecast an
    actor, and they might never recover. Sticking with a show and getting a
    few extra dollars but never working again is no better than leaving it 
    and never working again. We also never really know why anyone leaves,
    anyway.

    Lisa

>> Kirstie Alley got what she really wanted, ie. ex-Hardy Boys husband :-)
> Please try to contain your blatant sexism.

	And please try to contain your blatant BS.  Most women are *more*
	sexist than I am (possibly yourself included if you actually
	knew me).  I contend you are a sexist to even infer that my
	statement is sexist.  The statement is no more sexist than if
	you replaced "Kirstie Alley" with a male actor in that statement.
	And putting your unjustified infered sexism aside, the statement
	about Alley is also true.  Alley has said the equiv. after she
	won some award (probably Best Actress for "Cheers"??).

	If someone goes in with a mindset of seeing sexism, they'll find
	it (just as they found so-call communists everywhere during the
	red scare).  If I was looking for sexism against males in my
	exact same statement, I could claim to find it in the fact
	that I never even refered to Alley's husband by name, but as
	"husband", as if he was nothing more than that.  (it may sound
	ridiculous if one had a mindset that sexism only applies when
	it's against women, but it is indeed considered sexism these
	days when one refers to a women only as "so-and-so's wife")

	If you want real examples of blatant sexism, the majority of
	single women still expect "the man" to ask them out, and
	alot of them still expect the male to pick up the tab (though
	at least fewer women these days expect to have doors opened
	for them by men).  Other examples are women who expect the
	male to shovel the drive-way, mow the lawn, etc.

>> As the previous noter indicates, the difference is a "steady" good
>> paying job.  Given they only work like half the year or so on
>> the series, there is still plenty of time in the year to work
>> on other interests (such as movies).
> Steady jobs on television can typecast an
> actor, and they might never recover.

	Typecasting of TV actors is overrated.  Yes, there are some cases
	of it (ex. the guy who played "Greg Brady", Lenord Nimoy as "Spock"),
	but given the number of roles/actors over time, such typecasting
	is relatively rare.

	And tying this back into this "Friends" topic, this is an ensamble
	cast where I personally don't see any of these characters being
	"typecastable".

	And for the few actors that do get (or had been) typecast in a
	specific role, that's not not always a bad thing either.  While
	I don't consider Kelsey Grammer typecasted as "Fraiser" when
	he was on "Cheers", some may, and that's worked to his advantage.
	And by keeping himself in the spotlight (with a steady popular
	TV series) he's been able to do other work that I conjecture would
	not of been available to him otherwise).

> Sticking with a show and getting a
> few extra dollars but never working again is no better than leaving it 
> and never working again.

	How do you know it's only a "few extra dollars"?  And you completely
	ignored the point that today, unlike yester-year, the cross-over
	between TV and Movies happens all the time (in the past the problem
	was the Hollywood "studio" system, etc).  Ie. you can have a steady
	job on a TV series, and due to the short seasons (22 episodes, vs.
	the 30+ of yester-year), can pursue other projects the other half
	of the year (such as Movies, while some try the stage, etc), plus
	these days it's also getting more common for an actor on a series
	to write and/or direct episodes of the series (and as the inside
	joke goes, every actor wants to be a director [and every director
	wants to be an actor]).

> We also never really know why anyone leaves, anyway.

	While there is some truth in that (and the same goes for alot of
	things in our society), it's not completely true.  "Salary" often
	comes up, as does "creative differences" (which we often hear
	about in movies).

>	(it may sound
>	ridiculous if one had a mindset that sexism only applies when
>	it's against women, but it is indeed considered sexism these
>	days when one refers to a women only as "so-and-so's wife")

    Bingo. No matter which way you cut it, whether it's regarding a wife or
    husband, it's sexist. Thanks for your clarification. 

       	>And you completely
	>ignored the point that today, unlike yester-year, the cross-over
	>between TV and Movies happens all the time (in the past the problem
	>was the Hollywood "studio" system, etc).  

    I didn't ignore an obvious point. Crossing over doesn't always mean 
    success, especially from television to movies. Is it that we don't like
    to see our favorite weekly actors shun our favorite characters for what
    they perceive to be bigger and better ones on the screen? Is the big 
    screen inherently better? 

    Back to the topic of Friends, David Schwimmer, Matt LeBlanc, and
    especially Lisa Kudrow all stand a chance of being typecast. And so
    does the Ugly Naked Guy.

    Lisa

> Bingo. No matter which way you cut it, whether it's regarding a wife or
> husband, it's sexist. Thanks for your clarification. 

	I may of clarified something for you, but you've left something
	un-clarified in regards to your remark.  Given the context I
	had been under the impression that the part of the following ...

>> Kirstie Alley got what she really wanted, ie. ex-Hardy Boys husband :-)


	... that you were calling "blatant sexism" was the fact (as stated
	by Alley herself) that she got what she wanted, ie. her actor
	husband).  Are you saying that what you were refering to as "blatant
	sexism" is the fact that I refered to her husband as her "husband"
	and not by his name?  If so, then I have an excuse for refering
	to him as "ex-Hardy Boys husband", and that's because I couldn't
	recall his name, and couldn't til it just reached my tounge now,
	I believe his name is Parker Stevenson).  In any case, you'll have
	to elaborate (clarify) your un-justified use of "blatant" (which
	I claim it is not).  I will agree, as I even stated, that refering
	to someone simply as so-and-so's wife/husband can be considered
	sexist, it doesn't apply here.  Me still thinks you wouldn't of
	insulted me with that "blatant sexism" remark had I instead said:

    Parker Stevenson got what he really wanted, ie. ex-Cheers star wife :-)

	but you are learning :-)

> Is it that we don't like
> to see our favorite weekly actors shun our favorite characters for what
> they perceive to be bigger and better ones on the screen?

	I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I would prefer my
	favorite TV characters to not shun (ie. leave the series) is
	for just that reason, they are my favorite TV characters.  Or
	important enough to the strength of a favorite show, that by
	leaving the series I'm afraid will disrupt my viewing pleasure.

	With a show like Friends where there are six (6) main characters
	I believe it would be less disruptive to me if one left the show,
	than say if George left Seinfeld, or even worse, Jamie or Paul
	left MAY.

> Is the big screen inherently better? 

	"inherent" in this context is a little ambiguous, but assuming
	you mean better in the context of personal furfulment for the
	actor, then I'd have to answer no to that question (neither is
	better, but it's subjective to the person involved).  From the
	perspective of ones wallet, I'd have to answer yes, that the big
	screen is better (though riskier).

> Back to the topic of Friends, David Schwimmer, Matt LeBlanc, and
> especially Lisa Kudrow all stand a chance of being typecast.

	We all stand a chance of being typecast (no doubt you've already
	typecast me :-).  An actor never knows what character will "stick"
	to them, which will result in casting agents refusing to cast them
	in un-similiar roles.  And the risk isn't necessarily related to
	the longevity of a TV series, it can happen with a single Movie
	(hence leaving a TV series to prevent being typecast is kind of
	like jumping out of frying pan to prevent being burnt).

	A more likely reason to leave a successful TV series to pursue
	a straight movie career are the reason we've already talked
	about (creative differences, salary, etc), and also things
	like being just plain bored and wanting to move on (but this
	usually happens farther into the life cycle of a series from
	the times I've seen this quoted as a reason).

> And so does the Ugly Naked Guy.

	Now I think you're putting me on!?  (if not, then please elaborate,
	as I'd be curious how he could be typecast, since I don't recall
	we've ever seen this off-screen characters face, or even his voice
	[making him truely off-screen :-]))

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   a vulgar or offensive manner : CLAMOROUS 2: OBTRUSIVE, BRAZEN - bla.tant.ly
   av

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   vulgus mo]b, common people; akin to Skt varga group 1a: generally used,
   applied, or accepted 1b: having or understanding in the ordinary sense 2:
   VERNACULAR 3a: of or relating to the common people : PLEBEIAN 3b: generally
   current : PUBLIC 3c: of the usual, typical, or ordinary kind 4a: lacking in
   cultivation, perception, or taste : COARSE 4b: morally crude, undeveloped,
   or unregenerate : GROSS 4c: ostentatious or excessive in expenditure or
   display : PRETENTIOUS 5a: offensive in language : EARTHY 5b: OBSCENE,
   PROFANE - vul.gar.ly av

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>	Me still thinks you wouldn't of
>	insulted me with that "blatant sexism" remark had I instead said:
>
>     Parker Stevenson got what he really wanted, ie. ex-Cheers star wife :-)
>
>	but you are learning :-)

    But you're not. The two comments are the same. Never mind. I didn't
    know Kirstie Alley said it herself. Thanks for pointing that out.

>> And so does the Ugly Naked Guy.
>
>	Now I think you're putting me on!?  

    Yep! We've never seen him, and I'd just as soon we don't since every
    time he's sighted someone starts a sentence with "Eww!" 

    Lisa

    
    Do you all know when I'm out sick for a few days?    :-)
    
    This topic has gotten way off track, I think you've all gotten
    everything off your chests now - so let's get back to the topic of
    "friends"
    
    and on that topic:  I missed last weeks episode (5/2) does anyone have
    a small update?
    
    Louisa / co-mod

    Has anyone else heard about Mathew Perry getting dumped by Julia
    Roberts ?
    
    	I don't know the reasons behind it, but my money is on her screwing
    it up once again! (or changing her mind, same thing)
    
    	If anyone takes offence to this...T.S.!!! (tethered swiming)
    
    She might be a babe, but she seems a little flipped in the head!

    
    	I didn't know they were an item until now.
    

    How could you know everything else in the entertainment world and not
    know this?
    
    	They apparently started dating when she filmed that one episode of
    Friends back in January.  The one right after the SuperBowl.
    
    	There now ya do know everything Slab!

    
    	Thank you, J.
    

    except I read or heard that HE was the one that broke up with HER

    
    	Guys never like to admit that they were dumped.
    
    	8^)
    

  This is not a surprise. Julia Roberts seems to be at that stage where she
goes with someone for a while then goes on to someone else. 

  No biggie, lots of people go through that. Or at least we use to go through
that back in the 60's and 70's before my crowd settled down. Heck, in our time
it was hardly worth mentioning unless you changed communal groups. 

  Is this type of change all that unusual with you X generation types? 

  George

    
    Charlie Sheen will guest star tonight.
    
    

    I guess guest-starring on "Friends" is the latest "cool" thing to do.
    
    I used to like Charlie - he was good in 'Platoon', 'Lucas' and
    'Wallstreet' - too bad he messed up his career so much (IMHO)

    
    	And "No Man's Land" and "The Wraith" [arguably the best movie
    	of the last 10 years].
    

    
    	Born on 9/3/65, which makes him exactly a year and a week older
    	than me.
    
    	Real name: Carlos Irwin Estevez.
    
    
                               Charlie Sheen

The IMDb has filmographies for Charlie Sheen in the following categories:
     Actor Producer

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Actor filmography

       1. All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 (1996) (voice) .... Charlie
       2. Shockwave (1996)
       3. Shadow Conspiracy, The (1995)
          ... aka Shadow Program, The (1995)
       4. Beyond the Law (1994) .... Saxon
          ... aka Fixing the Shadow (1994)
       5. Chase, The (1994) .... Jack Hammond
       6. Major League II (1994) .... Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn
       7. Terminal Velocity (1994) .... Richard "Ditch" Brodie
       8. Deadfall (1993) .... Steve Lebett
       9. Hot Shots! Part Deux (1993) .... Topper Harley
          ... aka Hot Shots! 2 (1993)
      10. National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1 (1993) .... Valet
      11. Three Musketeers, The (1993) .... Aramis
      12. Cadence (1991) .... Bean
      13. Hot Shots! (1991) .... Topper Harley/Rhett Butler/Superman
      14. Men at Work (1990) .... Carl Taylor
      15. Navy SEALS (1990) .... Hawkins
      16. Rookie, The (1990) .... David Ackerman

      17. Backtrack (1989) .... Bob
          ... aka Catchfire (1989)
      18. Courage Mountain (1989) .... Peter
      19. Major League (1989) .... Ricky Vaughn
      20. Eight Men Out (1988) .... Hap Felsch
      21. Never on Tuesday (1988) .... Thief (uncredited)
      22. Young Guns (1988) .... Richard Brewer
      23. No Man's Land (1987) .... Ted Varrick
      24. Three for the Road (1987) .... Paul
      25. Wall Street (1987) .... Bud Fox
      26. Avenging Force (1986)
      27. Boys Next Door, The (1986) .... Bo Richards
      28. Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) .... Boy in Police Station
      29. Lucas (1986) .... Cappie
      30. Platoon (1986) .... Chris
      31. Wisdom (1986) .... City Burger Manager
      32. Wraith, The (1986) .... The Wraith/Jake
      33. Out of the Darkness (1985) (TV) .... Man having a shave
      34. Red Dawn (1984) .... Matt
      35. Silence of the Heart (1984) (TV) .... Ken Cruze

      36. Grizzly II - The Predator (1977)
      37. Execution of Private Slovik, The (1974) (TV)

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Producer filmography

       1. Chase, The (1994) (executive)

    I know this is a digression, but re. 177
    
    //	And "No Man's Land" and "The Wraith" [arguably the best movie
    //	of the last 10 years].
    
    *Very* arguably, Shawn. :)
    
    
    "Who is that guy!?"
    
    "I dunno, but he's weird and real pissed off!"
    
    
    
    kim
    

    
    	I had to tape it off of cable because I haven't been able to
    	find it anywhere.
    

    
    I was not expecting Chandlers destiney girl to be .....
    
    
    
    
    Janice!  Chandler and Janice just keep being thrown together.
    
    Best line:
    
    Chandler (on the laptop) "what from of birth control do you use"
    Jancie (on laptop) "my husband sleeping w/this sec'y"  :-)

    Next year will be interesting with the issues they introduced in this
    episode - unless it gets "taken care of" over the summer with the first
    episode just moving on....
    
    Copacabanna? What school play/choir would have done that song in a
    performance? (even a BarryM. fan like me wouldn't want to hear that!) I
    thought the wedding audience handled all this very well. Skirt hitch
    was rather cliche. 
    
    And good ole Ross, helping Rachael at the wedding and helping Joey with
    the part - that last scene was priceless!
    
    
    spoilers behind form feed
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    spoilers ahead...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    As soon as they showed the women walking through the door, with only
    the back of the shoulder and some hair - I thought it was Janice! what
    an interesting turn for chandler.... I still chuckle over the last
    episode she was in, very pregnant (which will be another item - will
    chandler be interested in becoming an instant dad?) - and her answer
    when asked why didn't she mention it over the phone .... " and what,
    miss the look on your face?, oh no, janice likes to have her fun!"
    
    And a definete bummer if monica and richard break up. TS definately
    improved the scenery! 

>    Copacabanna? What school play/choir would have done that song in a
>    performance? (even a BarryM. fan like me wouldn't want to hear that!) 

    A talent show maybe?

    Answer to a spoiler:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Monica and Richard broke up. TV Guide said he took the part knowing
    (even perhaps on the condition that) his character would have an arc
    (a beginning, middle, and end).

    Lisa

    watched ET last night and all six of the cast members want $100,000 per
    episode for the season coming up...what a raise!...they said that when
    the show first started all got a base salary of $22,500 per episode.
    Execpt Courtney Cox who go $30,000. Not bad for a weeks work.  
    They may think that they are the best thing to happend to TV since Lucy 
    went off the air, but what makes these characters are the story lines 
    and the scripts.  I'm sure with the right casting they could recreate 
    another cast of friends with the same or distinct kind of writing and 
    re-create a new "Friends".
    
    But the point made on the show, was that the production company will
    make about $4 million off of each episode when it goes into
    syndication not counting the merchandising of the mugs, t-shirts and
    such going on now...so I guess there may be some room for compromise
    here...what do you think?
    

    I happened to catch the ET episode too. They also pointed out that Tom
    Selleck was making about $50,000 for each episode he was in, the past
    season...
    
    And that other stars like Rosanne, Tim Allen (and a few others I can't
    remember) get at least the $100K or more per episode, However those
    shows are one big name rather than a group show, like friends.
    
    Not sure how I feel about this - $100K per week sure sounds like a lot
    to me (actually $22K/week doesn't sound bad either). But making $4mill.
    off each episode does sound like a lot too - with room to be more
    generous.  
    
    janetb.
    

    It's all relative, I guess.  Sure, $22K per week is a lot to me, but 
    maybe $100K per episode isn't a lot in hit TV series-land. 
    
    kim  

    No, 100 grand isn't a lot in hit TV land.  And you have to remember, as
    these actors do, that even a show like "Friends" is subject to cancel-
    lation for any number of reasons.  Hollywood truly is a "make it all
    while you can" type of business.
    
    I strongly disagree with the point about writing making the show and
    you can plug in another cast and still have the same level.  The
    writing here is exceptional, no question.  But the ensemble is as
    magical as Cheers, Barney Miller, Taxi, WKRP, MASH, Mary Tyler Moore
    and Dick Van Dyke Show.  That's a short list for over 40 years of
    sitcom TV.  Writing counts (all of those shows won countless EMMY
    awards for scripts) but the cast is what makes it MEMORABLE!
    
    Just look at The Single Guy.  The writing is as good as Friends.  Heck,
    it even has some of the same writers.  But the ensemble just doesn't
    mesh.  Okay, it would mesh if they dumped Silverman, but they won't and
    it doesn't.  There have been others.  Hooperman was an outstanding show
    from a writer's perspective, but the cast never dominated a scene.  
    
    Keep in mind, the vast, overwhelming majority of viewers think an
    allusion is what Doug Henning is famous for.  They don't know and don't
    care one iota about good writing.  But they DO know when Jennifer
    Anniston changes her hairstyle.
    
    Bottom line, pay them what they want and get back to making good TV and
    plenty o' cash!
    
    
    Rick

    
    I always thought Doug Hennig was famous for "illusions"...
    
    ;)

  I was really surprised to hear how little they were making. I seem to
remember that Martin Landau was fired from Mission Impossible over 20 years
ago because he was asking for that same $100,000 per show.

  At $100,000 per show they would be making about $2.5 million which is a
decent but not that spectacular salary in baseball. And today there was a rumor
that the L.A. Lakers had upped the offer to Shaq O'Neil to about $140,000,000
for a multi year contract that seems to be less than 10 years.

  I think Ophra makes something like $40 million per year and Speilberg tops
the list at $150 million per year.

  $2.5 million for a hit series? If a baseball team offered that to a pitcher
with a 10-8 record and a 3.50 ERA he'd take them to arbitration and he'd
probably win.

  George

    re .188
    >I always thought Doug Hennig was famous for "illusions"...
    >
    >;)
    
    
    That was exactly my point...
    
    
    Rick
    

  According to Entertainment Tonight, the Friends crew is still fighting with
the studio over salaries. Rumor was that the cast members, who had been making
around $30,000 to $40,000 per show all want a raise to $100,000 per show. 

  The program reported that the cast had agreed to go back to work and are
currently working on the fall programs but they are not satisfied with the way
the talks are going and are considering their options. 

  George

    Last night's episode (8/22) was one I must have missed the first time
    around - plot themes:
    
     - Monica down to her last $127 and tries playing the stock market after
    	seeing a stock with her initials go up several points
     - Phoebe decides to see her Dad, chickens out again, injures the
    	family dog by mistake
     - Ross and Chandler are driven out of the coffer shop by two tough
    	guys
    
    Pretty funny lines as usual, a few others which surprized the heck out
    of me for getting on TV. End scene - where Monica has taken a job as a
    cook in a 50's theme resturant, where they have to dress in "50's"
    outfits and dance on the main counter when someone plays music - the
    gang comes to eat and chandler drops a large pocketful of change on the
    table -  was great!
    
    looking forward to the new season.

> Just heard on the news that Tom Selleck will be returning to the
> show this Febuary.  No word yet for how long this time.

	Well he was indeed back on the show, but it appeared to be a
	shorter stint this time.

	So Rozz & Rachael finally broke up.  Certainly took the writers
	a long time to do that.  Gotta get back to the show's roots :-)

	The woman Rozz slept with is better looking than Rachael anyways,
	Rozz should explore that possibility .....

    
    It's Ross not Rozz ! :-)

> It's Ross not Rozz ! :-)

	Good catch.  Rozz is Fraiser's producer, and is a woman.
	Maybe I was subconciously hoping Rozz & Rachael had been
	dating :-)  Though that relationship wouldn't have lasted
	long being bi-coastal (Rozz in Seattle, and Rachael in NYC).

    
    Hmmm, this could be a whole new show.  :-)

    
    	And they could call it
    
    	"Bi Bi Seattle, Hello NYC"
    

    
    <----  That's a good one!  Your very quick for a Monday.
    
    lkp

    Besides,  that's how Ross lost his first wife.

  The NBC home page on the WWW had a survey and 82% of those who responded
said they wanted Ross and Racheal back together again.

  George

    Well, so do I. I frankly don't believe that Ross would have actually
    have slept with another woman on the same day that he was hoping to
    have a nice anniversary dinner with Rachael. I doubt even the writers
    really believe it; notice that they didn't try to show anything between
    some deep kissing on a dance floor to the point where copy-girl walks
    out of his shower.
    
    Taking that as a given, though, Rachael certainly isn't going to take
    him back immediately. Still, I expect they'll be back together after a
    few episodes. My prediction is that Ross asks her to marry him in the
    season closer; 75% chance that she'll say yes; 40% chance that they
    will make us wait until next season to hear her answer.
    
    btw,could some kind person post a synopsis of last week's episode? I
    gather from the previews that Chandler was going a bit gaga for
    Rachael... well, who can blame him?
    				Jim

  Larry King had the entire cast on about a week ago. He asked Jennifer Aniston
and David Schwimmer several times if Ross and Rachael would get back together.
Each time they said the same thing, they have to wait to see what the writers
decide just like the rest of us. From the way they said it you could tell they
were tired of answering that question but were trying to stay polite.

  King asked them if they wanted Ross and Rachael to get back together again
and they seemed pretty noncommittal. What ever the writers want ...

  He asked them each if they would personally be attracted to the characters
Ross and Rachael. David Schwimmer said he wouldn't be attracted to Rachael
because he likes women who have some idea where they are going and Rachael
didn't seem to have any direction. Jennifer Aniston said she would be attracted
to Ross because he reminded her of her old high school boy friend.

  In general the cast all seemed to feel that they would stay with Friends as
long as it lasted. When some caller asked which episodes they liked the best
the consensus seemed to be that they liked the ones where they were all working
on a scene together. 

  From what they say they come across like a pretty tight group. Just looking
at reactions it seems that most of them really are happy with the show and
would hang on to the end but Matt LeBlanc sounded more like he was repeating
a party line.

  My guess is that if one of them leaves, it will be him. Nothing he said in
particular, just a feeling that he's this show's Adam Cartwright and will be
the 1st to say he's tired of the togetherness like Pernell Roberts did with
Bonanza. 

  George 

    Can someone please post a summary of the last ten minutes of the show
    from 01 MAY?  I messed up the VCR (yet again!) and lost it.  Thanks.
    
    	/jeff

  End of last show I saw. Not one of their best:

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  Feebe was trying to pick between the teacher and the fireman. They both
showed up at Central Perk while she was singing. She told them that she was
dating them both. It slipped out that she had slept with the fireman which the
teacher didn't like but she reminded him that she had done a candle light
dinner with him in the park. He got mad and left. The fireman then got mad
because she had been reckless with an open fire in the park and he left. She
seemed sad but not crushed.

  Pete told Monica he had a surprise but it wasn't a marriage proposal. Instead
he wants to be the ultimate fighting champion (that thing that's illegal in 49
states). She seemed pretty crushed.

  I think the duck was involved with the ending but I can't remember exactly
what happened.

  George

    >  I think the duck was involved with the ending but I can't remember
    >  exactly what happened.
    
    I finally got a chance to watch the tape last night...
    
    Chandler and Joey took the duck to Phoebe's herbalist guru (the same
    one who accidentally removed Ross' whatzit with his watch). The guru
    looked at the duck and said (funniest line of the show, imho), "Is he
    supposed to be a duck? Because if he isn't, this is *way* out of my
    league." They said the duck was sick; could he do anything? He
    pondered, then asked if they could get the duck to swallow a bat; duck
    acts surprised; fade out.
    				See ya,
    					Jim

thanks for the update...

	/jeff

    Wellllll, what did anyone think of the season ender?
    
    comments after ff
    
    
    possible spoilers
    
    
    I was dissapointed that a bald head made that much difference to Ross
    when he obvious liked the girl. It made him seem rather shallow.
    Granted a sudden bald head is a bit of a shock but still....  so what
    room do you think he went into?
    
    I'm also a little dissappointed that Pete may now be out of the
    picture. Of course, I was a little surprized she was able to get over
    the Tom Selleck character that quickly too. 
    
    Loved the shot where Joey wakes up and is covered in sand, in the
    shape of a mermaid.
    
    Terri Gar as Phoebe's mom is actually excellant casting, as far as I'm
    concerned... from looks and typecast behavior. When the woman started
    giving Phoebe the run around during their first conversation, I
    suspected that's how it would turn out?
    
    Overall - not as much of a season hanger as I thought, but I also wish
    shows didn't feel the need to do this every season. Most of the season
    enders all seem to be continued/cliff hangers - it gets rather
    annoying.
    
    janetb.

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  I really like this show. One of my favorites. Anyway,

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>    I was disappointed that a bald head made that much difference to Ross
>    when he obvious liked the girl. It made him seem rather shallow.
>    Granted a sudden bald head is a bit of a shock but still....  

  That's just the point, he liked the girl, he loves Rachel. The girl was just
a diversion so physical things were much more important if not the entire
relationship.

>so what
>    room do you think he went into?

  My guess, he went into the other girl's room to tell her he really loved
Rachel. She'll think no big deal and take Joey, meanwhile Rachel will see
him go into the other room, make the wrong assumption, and split.

  Well, that's what they might do if it was not the season ending show.

>    I'm also a little dissappointed that Pete may now be out of the
>    picture. Of course, I was a little surprized she was able to get over
>    the Tom Selleck character that quickly too. 
    
  This allows them to start fresh with a new Monica plot next fall while
leaving them the option of bringing him back any time. 

>    Terri Gar as Phoebe's mom is actually excellant casting, as far as I'm
>    concerned... from looks and typecast behavior. When the woman started
>    giving Phoebe the run around during their first conversation, I
>    suspected that's how it would turn out?

  Up to now, who have they been saying was Phoebe's mom? They talk a lot about
her father but I don't remember anything about her mother. Who and where was
she suppose to be?

  George

We've never seen Phoebe's mom (or her supposed mom).  However Phoebe
has talked about her, and written songs about her, and how she
committed suicide.   Apparently a large part of Phoebe's repetoire
are songs about her mom's suicide.  Not a real funny topic, but
somehow, with Phoebe, it kind of is...

But Terri Garr as her REAL mom, is indeed an ideal casting.  I
also guessed that was the way it was heading.  Though it might
be type casting for Terri.  She's been playing Phoebe-like 
characters since the 60's.  A particular stint as a secretary
to Gary Seven in an old Star Trek episode comes to mind...


I say Ross ended up in Rach's room.   

PeterT

    Terri Garr was Gary Seven's secretary??? Cool! I always liked that
    character; she came off as ditsy/funny at first, but had a lot of depth
    after all.
    
    I didn't figure Terri Garr as being that old, though...
    
    <last show spoiler>
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I don't think there's any doubt that Ross wants to end up with Rachael,
    or that she still is in love with him -- or else why would she
    manipulate his current girlfriend to get bald? By the way, I don't find
    Ross' reaction to her sudden baldness to be shallow. If it had just
    been a different hair style or color, then that would be... but if a
    woman chooses to shave her head, it might indicate that she has some
    personality traits that you're not comfortable with. It's not a bad
    thing, and could be interesting or fun with the right person... but
    Ross seems to have more conservative values. She's more Joey's type
    (i.e., female and breathing).
    
    So I think Ross & Rachael will end up together; it's just a matter of
    how long will the writers draw out the "will they or won't they?"
    theme. That can get annoying after a while. (like in Murphy Brown with
    the whole Miles and Corky thing).
    				See ya,
    					Jim

Teri Garr was born in 12/44, so she's going on 53 this year.