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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
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1185.0. "Jesus Christ: Liberal or Conservative?" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Ps. 85.10) Mon Nov 20 1995 15:39

According to what I've read and heard from knowledgable people, including
Jewish teachers and scholars, Jesus would have been considered a liberal
in most matters.  However, there were some issues, divorce for example, on
which Jesus seemed even more conservative than the conservatives of his time.

At times, Jesus appeared to redefine family, something which present-day
conservatives find extremely objectionable.

Shalom,
Richard

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1185.1MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalMon Nov 20 1995 16:1812
ZZ    At times, Jesus appeared to redefine family, something which
ZZ    present-day conservatives find extremely objectionable.
    
    We know toward the end that Jesus gave charge to John to take care of
    Mary, his mother.  We also know that Jesus addressed the woman at the
    well as having several husbands; an exhortation that although revealed
    to her gently was also one of negative connotation.
    
    What redefinition would be found extremely objectionable by
    conservatives that Jesus would condone?
    
    -Jack
1185.2POWDML::FLANAGANlet your light shineMon Nov 20 1995 16:5916
    Jesus' prohibition against divorce was not conservative but radical
    liberal for the day.  Women were given in marriage by the father to the
    husband.  Marriages were made primarily for political reasons.  To unit
    two factions or clans through intermarriage.
    
    Jesus radically redefined the family by decreeing divorce to be wrong. 
    A man thus could not expell of women.  An unmarried women in 1st
    century society was an outcast with way of earning a living or taking
    care of oneself.
    
    Jesus also radically redefined the family to not only those united by
    blood, but the family for Jesus is all those who do the will of God.
    Jesus' family was the group of disciples, much more than the mother,
    father, brothers, and sisters with whom he grew up.
    
    Jesus is my kind of radical!
1185.3CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Mon Nov 20 1995 18:1920
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Jack,
    
>    What redefinition would be found extremely objectionable by
>    conservatives that Jesus would condone?
    
You appear to have missed my point.  (Was it deliberate?)

Jesus indicated that his real brothers, sisters and mother were not
necessarily those related to him by blood or marriage.

Present-day conservatives say they object to attempts to redefine the family.
In reality, conservatives may not object to redefining the family so
much as objecting to the terms and conditions of the redefinition, but
that isn't what they're saying.

Shalom,
Richard

1185.4MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalMon Nov 20 1995 18:477
 ZZZ   You appear to have missed my point.  (Was it deliberate?)
    
    Yes I did, but thanks for clarifying!
    
    Rgds.
    
    -Jack