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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

1134.0. "Discussion of Christian Peacemaker Teams" by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE (Ps. 85.10) Wed Sep 06 1995 17:08

    This topic for discussion of items in 1133, "Christian Peacemaker
    Teams."
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    
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1134.1MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalWed Sep 06 1995 17:385
    Assuming a team were to be sent to Bosnia as an example...what would be
    their course of action in attempting to establish peace in an area such
    as that??
    
    -Jack
1134.2I have forwarded your inquiryCSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Thu Sep 07 1995 17:5421
From:	CSC32::J_CHRISTIE   "Ps. 85.10"  7-SEP-1995 11:47:41.36
To:	@cpt
CC:	J_CHRISTIE
Subj:	What action might CPT take in Bosnia?

Dear CPT friends,

	Perhaps you would care to elaborate on the following question.

Shalom,
Richard

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Note 1134.1         Discussion of Christian Peacemaker Teams              1 of 1
XXXXXX::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"          5 lines   6-SEP-1995 13:38
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    Assuming a team were to be sent to Bosnia as an example...what would be
    their course of action in attempting to establish peace in an area such
    as that??
    
    -Jack
1134.3MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalThu Sep 07 1995 17:596
    Incidently, I consider their ministry highly honorable.  I am just
    curious as to their methodology...i.e. do they consider themselves
    potential martyrs, do they try to speak to multiple people as Paul did,
    do they do it more on a personal level as Mother Theres does, etc.
    
    -Jack
1134.4CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Thu Sep 07 1995 18:152
    How nice.
    
1134.5MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalThu Sep 07 1995 18:275
    ZZZ    How nice.
    
    Either you are being genuine here, which I would appreciate, or this is
    a knee jerk reaction to a discussion we are having in another string. 
    Which is it?
1134.6CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Thu Sep 07 1995 19:224
    Or it's something else.
    
    Richard
    
1134.7MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalThu Sep 07 1995 19:3010
    Great, care to let me in on it?
    
    It is a Godly act to confront somebody who has wronged you.  It is an
    ungodly principle to harbor ill feelings and not confront your brother. 
    Therefore, I would appreciate the same consideration you would afford
    anybody wlse here in this forum!  
    
    Hold no punches please.  I have been known to apologize!
    
    -Jack
1134.8CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Fri Sep 08 1995 16:2011
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>    Incidently, I consider their ministry highly honorable.  I am just
>    curious as to their methodology...i.e. do they consider themselves
>    potential martyrs, do they try to speak to multiple people as Paul did,
>    do they do it more on a personal level as Mother Theres does, etc.
    
I neither seek nor want your pat-on-the-head approval.

Richard

1134.9MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Sep 08 1995 17:145
    Richard:
    
    Stop walking in the flesh and start walking in the Spirit!
    
    -Jack
1134.10MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Sep 08 1995 17:166
 ZZ   I neither seek nor want your pat-on-the-head approval.
    
    In fact, I am not going to let you get away with this.  I think you owe
    me an apology.
    
    
1134.11It takes time for the ripples to dissipate.CSC32::J_OPPELTWanna see my scar?Fri Sep 08 1995 17:257
    	Jack --
    
    	Given the history between you and Richard, I can understand him
    	seeing your entry as patronizing, just as you might do the same
    	had he held out the olive branch to you.  Most anyone's first 
    	instinct would be to examine the end of the stick to see if it's 
    	dirty.
1134.12MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Sep 08 1995 18:2913
    My Entry:
    
 Z    Incidently, I consider their ministry highly honorable.  I am just
 Z    curious as to their methodology...i.e. do they consider themselves
 Z    potential martyrs, do they try to speak to multiple people as Paul
 Z    did, do they do it more on a personal level as Mother Theres does, etc.
    
    His Entry:
    
    Z  How nice
    
    No...Richard, you owe me an apology!    
    
1134.13it'll be a cold day in hell...USAT05::BENSONEternal WeltanschauungFri Sep 08 1995 20:323
    
>    No...Richard, you owe me an apology!    
    
1134.14APACHE::MYERSHe literally meant it figurativelyFri Sep 08 1995 20:466
    I find it rather depressing that this tit-for-tat negativism is going
    on in a topic whose title refers to Christian peacemakers...

    Shame on us.
    
    	Eric
1134.15MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalFri Sep 08 1995 20:5616
    So do I Eric.  Yesterday I challenged by brother on some of the issues
    regarding Mario Cuomo's policies, he didn't want to answer...that's
    fine.  Then in other notes such as this one, I started getting
    condescending replies back from my entries.  I then followed by asking
    if there was something I did and even stated I would apologize. 
    Richard not only refused to tell me what I did wrong but then continued
    with the snide remarks.  I then told him he was being cranky and needed
    to walk in the Spirit.  Finally, I thought to myself, "I'm being
    treated like dirt in this forum and I don't appreciate it."  To me,
    this is malicious and based on a carnal attitude."
    
    Richard, either tell me what I did wrong or apologize.  It is part of
    manhood Richard and it is what Jesus taught about resolving conflict
    with your brother.  How about it?!
    
    -Jack
1134.16Moving to Processing TopicCSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Sat Sep 09 1995 02:504
Sidebar continued starting with 9.1862

Richard

1134.17In response to 1134.1CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Thu Sep 14 1995 23:3847
From:	DECPA::"cpt@igc.apc.org" 14-SEP-1995 12:28:13.69
To:	12-Sep-1995 1733 <csc32::j_christie>
CC:	
Subj:	Re: A question about possible CPT action in Bosnia

We don't have plans to send a team there and have not studied the 
situation carefully and therefore would be reluctant to respond in 
any detailed or intellegent way.  Sorry.  Gene Stoltzfus

> Dear CPT friends,
> 
> 	Perhaps you would care to elaborate on the following question.
> 
> Shalom,
> Richard
> 
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> Note 1134.1         Discussion of Christian Peacemaker Teams              1 of 1
> XXXXXX::JMARTIN "I press on toward the goal"          5 lines   6-SEP-1995 13:38
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Assuming a team were to be sent to Bosnia as an example...what would be
>     their course of action in attempting to establish peace in an area such
>     as that??
>     
>     -Jack
> 
> 

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1134.18MKOTS3::JMARTINI press on toward the goalThu Oct 12 1995 19:554
    Based on the last report from Hebron, it obviously makes a case for
    those who believe in the Right to Bear Arms.  
    
    -Jack
1134.19CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPs. 85.10Thu Nov 30 1995 21:4212
>Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) is an initiative among Mennonite,
>Brethren, and Friends congregations and meetings who participate in
>public responses to organized violence.

I noticed for the first time in 1133.59 that Friends congregations have
been added to the supporters of Christian Peacemaker Teams and I am
encouraged by it.

Shalom,
Richard

1134.20CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPsalm 85.10Wed Mar 06 1996 17:028
I've decided to discontinue the regular posting of updates from Christian
Peacemaker Teams.  The 100 entries already posted in topic 1133 are enough
to gain a sense of CPT's mission and efforts.  To date, the topic has
sparked little interest.

Shalom,
Richard

1134.21Just because they don't generate a lot of discussion?COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Mar 06 1996 21:444
I have read and enjoyed most of them, and wish you would continue
to post them.

/john
1134.22They're read, every one, with interestTHOLIN::TBAKERThe Spirit of ApathyThu Mar 07 1996 13:276
>I have read and enjoyed most of them, and wish you would continue
>to post them.

Err... yeah.  What John said.

Tom Baker
1134.23CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPsalm 85.10Thu Mar 07 1996 15:248
    .21 & .22
    
    Er...okay...I'll reconsider.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Richard
    
1134.24CSC32::M_EVANSIt doesn't get better than......Thu Mar 07 1996 19:225
    richard I als like scanning through your reports.  It is nice to see
    someone trying to do womething productive with their face, instead of
    trying to convert this pagan.
    
    meg
1134.25CSC32::M_EVANSIt doesn't get better than......Thu Mar 07 1996 19:227
    err
    
    Face = faith
    
    I guess my slip is showing, the freudian one at any rate.
    
    meg
1134.26CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPsalm 85.10Sat Mar 16 1996 00:149
I have begun posting some entries from Christian Peacemaker Teams in
GRIM::QUAKER, because of CPT's relevance and connection to the
Society of Friends (Quakers).

To add QUAKER to your notebook, press KP7.

Shalom,
Richard

1134.27MKOTS3::JMARTINI Need To Get Out More!Mon Sep 09 1996 19:245
    Apparently Japan considers the threat of aggression from North Korea
    and China to be minimal.  I say this as a layperson who has little
    knowledge of the scope of defense in Japan.
    
    -Jack